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"In fact, the fifth generation": The FSMTC named foreign competitors of the Russian Su-35 fighter

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The Russian Su-35 fighter of the 4 ++ generation occupies one of the leading positions in the international combat aircraft market; only the fifth generation fighters F-22 and F-35 can compete with it from foreign aircraft. This was announced by the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC).


Commenting on an article in the American magazine Military Watch about the superiority of the Russian Su-35 over the American F-22, the FSMTC said that although the Russian fighter belongs to the fourth generation, its characteristics are very close to the fifth.

Despite the fact that the Russian Su-35 fighter belongs to the 4 ++ generation according to the classification, in terms of the aggregate of its flight and combat characteristics, this aircraft comes close to the fifth generation fighters. In fact, only the American F-35 and F-22 fighters can be attributed to the direct competitors of the Russian fighter.

- leads RIA News" FSMTS message.

Earlier, an American magazine compared the characteristics of the Su-35 and the F-22, claiming that the Russian fighter is superior to the American one in versatility.

Su-35 is a Russian multi-purpose super-maneuverable fighter of the generation "4 ++", with engines with controlled thrust vectoring (UHT). Developed in the Sukhoi Design Bureau. Modification for the Russian videoconferencing system is designated as Su-35С. The aircraft is able to carry up to 8 tons of combat load. The “4 ++ generation” is conditional and only indicates that, in the aggregate of characteristics, the fighter is very close to the characteristics of the fifth-generation fighter, with the exception of low-visibility technology and AFAR.

The aircraft is designed to solve the tasks of conquering and maintaining air supremacy, aviation support of troops in conflicts of any scale, isolation of the combat area and others.
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  1. xorek
    xorek April 1 2021 11: 46
    +7
    Everything in battle is checked .. This is the main censor! soldier
    1. figwam
      figwam April 1 2021 12: 12
      +6
      Quote: xorek
      Everything in battle is checked

      The situation in the world is such that this is no longer excluded.
      1. xorek
        xorek April 1 2021 14: 17
        -1
        Quote: figvam
        Quote: xorek
        Everything in battle is checked

        The situation in the world is such that this is no longer excluded.

        The situation for Russia is difficult .. We cannot be wrong now! soldier
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 April 2 2021 02: 52
          +1
          xorek
          Yesterday, 14: 17
          NEW

          +2
          Quote: figvam
          Quote: xorek
          Everything in battle is checked

          The situation in the world is such that this is no longer excluded.

          The situation for Russia is difficult ..We can't be wrong now ! soldier
          In no case! Merikatos will instantly knee on the throat. Beat first!
          1. Yves762
            Yves762 April 2 2021 10: 40
            0
            Quote: aszzz888
            The situation for Russia is difficult .. We cannot be wrong now!

            Quote: aszzz888
            In no case! Merikatos will instantly knee on the throat. Beat first!

            Sure sure...

  2. knn54
    knn54 April 1 2021 11: 46
    +2
    I would like to hear the comments of a visitor (s) from the PRC.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 April 1 2021 14: 09
      +1
      Do you know their hieroglyphs?
    2. xorek
      xorek April 1 2021 14: 20
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      I would like to hear the comments of a visitor (s) from the PRC.

      Here articles appear periodically, everything is described there normally .. What do they think about Russia and our weapons hi
      They praise themselves, of course, but they don't throw mud at us either hi
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 April 1 2021 11: 50
    +3
    The Russian Su-35 fighter of the 4 ++ generation occupies one of the leading positions on the international market for combat aircraft; only the fifth generation fighters F-22 and F-35 can compete with it from foreign aircraft.
    In a world where you can forget about fair competition, already other principles for promoting your "product" are ruling the show! And now what i can do?
    Equip your army with the best and then you can think about promoting your Iteres somewhere else.
  4. The comment was deleted.
    1. neri73-r
      neri73-r April 1 2021 12: 10
      +11
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      yes, the whole panel is Chinese

      I am embarrassed to ask if you are a designer of this aircraft or a builder, where does this knowledge come from?
      1. URAL72
        URAL72 April 1 2021 12: 54
        +6
        No, it's a hohlobot. Not a single smart comment. Previously, the displays were Belarusian, but the brothers began to lag behind, or to save money. Now Russian. TRANSAS is seriously engaged in avionics, I think it was not without them.
      2. hydrox
        hydrox April 2 2021 08: 50
        0
        Why is it painful to look at it !?
        There can be nothing military in the cockpit that is very different from passenger aircraft: Chinese, Russian, Taiwanese, Malay, Korean ...
        There, the military can only have software, and the indicators - they are now the same, even at a diesel locomotive, or at an oil refinery, at least at organic synthesis, at least at a rail-and-beam mill ...
    2. NIKN
      NIKN April 1 2021 12: 22
      +4
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      yes, the whole panel is Chinese

      Tell me the source of information. Although it is not necessary, you are just trying to voice your personal thoughts. All electronics are designed and manufactured by Russian enterprises and using domestic components, as for the digital cockpit. then there was even a competition among RUSSIAN manufacturers.
    3. APASUS
      APASUS April 1 2021 12: 33
      +5
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      I have doubts about the avionics, but the whole panel is Chinese

      Write better Kabo-Verde, there is the best electronics .............. laughing
    4. BABAY22
      BABAY22 April 1 2021 12: 50
      +12
      What is a "panel"?
      Can you concretize, clarify your words.



      Which of the blocks are "Chinese"?
      Or farted into a puddle and went on?
    5. paul3390
      paul3390 April 1 2021 13: 04
      +7
      yes, the whole panel is Chinese

      I would write straight to the forehead - all the electronics and optics on Sushki are Ukrainian .. They were blatantly stolen by the sworn Muscovites from a great technological power, bypassing any sanctions .. For without it, Sushki cannot even turn on the dviglo ..
  5. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock April 1 2021 11: 52
    -8
    In fact, only the American F-35 and F-22 fighters can be attributed to the direct competitors of the Russian fighter.

    Oh, these storytellers.
    And nothing that the very ideology of these aircraft is, in principle, different.
    And the F-22 cannot be a competitor, it has not been produced or sold for a long time.
  6. Yrec
    Yrec April 1 2021 11: 54
    +13
    The Su-35 is a heavy twin-engine MFI with a predominance of a fighter, operating from under the "umbrella" of a layered missile defense / air defense system. F-22 - not produced, F-35 is a light single-engine MFI with a predominance of the shock component, an airplane of "clear skies", against an enemy with a backward / focal air defense or without it. Again on the topic: who is stronger, a whale or an elephant?
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 April 1 2021 13: 04
      +3
      Here you are a little wrong. Yes, the penguin is a light single-engine, but most countries now have the same type of fleet, because it is expensive. South Africa chose Grippen, Uganda - Su30MK2. Venezuela replaced the F-16 with the Su-30MKV. Vietnam takes only Su, although it changes the MiG-21. I hope they will still take the MiG-35, it is cheaper, but for now they are worried about the islands and not the air defense. So, in general, a competitor, but there is one thing - the F-35 will not be sold to a country that has such good relations with Russia that it can buy a fighter.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 April 1 2021 13: 08
      +2
      F-35 light single-engine MFI with a predominance of shock component

      For an attack aircraft, it clearly has few suspension points, especially internal ones, and besides, the essence of a single-engine aircraft without any armor raises strong doubts about surviving over the battlefield with decent air defense ... One word is an aerial jackal ..
      1. hydrox
        hydrox April 2 2021 09: 01
        0
        In order to become a shock one, this Fu-35 must be given the opportunity to withstand our Su-35 in the sky. If he cannot do this, then he has no place in the sky - let him rummage through the bushes under the supervision of AWACS!
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor April 1 2021 14: 36
      0
      against an enemy with a backward / focal air defense or without it.

      I'm thinking, without enemy air defense, what for you need a super-duper miracle stealth request
  7. Fungus
    Fungus April 1 2021 12: 14
    +1
    The SU 35 has no competitors. He is above everyone else.
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp April 1 2021 14: 46
      -7
      The SU 35 has no competitors. He is above everyone else.

      That's why I see that no one except Russia and China is exploiting it. Because he is above everyone else.
      1. Fungus
        Fungus April 1 2021 15: 01
        +1
        Of course above all
        1. hydrox
          hydrox April 2 2021 09: 07
          +1
          Very soon, with the continuing moronic behavior of Bidon and Stolbenberg, we will ALWAYS observe one situation: there is no aviation in the sky, if there is a Su-35 in the sky or do not let the Boch MiG-31
  8. mvg
    mvg April 1 2021 12: 33
    -2
    This is who writes this. And for whom? The Su-35 has occupied a noticeable niche for export information security. Along with the F-22. There are so many people who want to buy that you can't count ... no invoices are enough
  9. Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. April 1 2021 12: 40
    -9
    In principle, SU-35 can be tested in battle even tomorrow. Israil has an F-35, arrange a provocation on the Syrian border and check the airplanes for compliance. Maybe we will avenge the sons from IL.
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 April 1 2021 13: 11
      +4
      This is a flight of thought! Brilliant! Can you go sleep it off?
      1. Soldatov V.
        Soldatov V. April 1 2021 16: 20
        -2
        And the fact that they constantly provoke and even with victims is nothing? And in case of war they will bring cartridges to whom? 80 years ago, on June 22, we slept. We need to hone our technique and skill on such satellites of America.
        1. Iris
          Iris April 1 2021 20: 28
          -3
          For the sons of Eli, take revenge on the commander of the operation, who sent Il “I don’t know where” to “discover” I don’t know what, ”without informing either the Israelis or his own club-handed protégé about it. This will be the address.
          1. Soldatov V.
            Soldatov V. April 2 2021 06: 21
            0
            It is a pity that, apart from the name of the commentator, the country is not indicated. Are all these disadvantages not from Izrail?
            1. Iris
              Iris April 2 2021 08: 35
              0
              It is unlikely that there were ALL downsides from Israel. It's just that many do not agree with your position - here I am, for example, although I am a Russian. Only I don’t put any minuses to the interlocutor at all - either minuses, or dialogue, one of two things.
              1. Soldatov V.
                Soldatov V. April 2 2021 11: 34
                +1
                Thank you. The problem of us Russians is that we do not want to fight. As Leonid Brezhnev said, the main thing is that there is no war. And many both the West and the East, both Ukrainians and Poles consider us unfinished cowards. And we want everyone to like us. But if It will not seem a little to shake us. All the same, you need to engage in a clash to test our technology, which is partly happening in Syria. I think that our pilots would also like to check what the F-35 and F-22 and F-18 are good at. Each provocation must be answered with an excess.
  10. alexmach
    alexmach April 1 2021 12: 59
    +3
    The Russian Su-35 generation 4 ++ fighter occupies one of the leading positions in the international combat aircraft market

    What else is "one of the leading places" if export supplies are very scanty?
    1. hydrox
      hydrox April 2 2021 09: 27
      0
      And therefore scanty, that is expensive, and no one is going to fight in a serious way.
      On the other hand, good is not cheap, because you can buy a used F-16, the freshest was released in 2018
  11. Practik2012
    Practik2012 April 1 2021 13: 13
    +5
    Regarding AFAR and PFAR. Let's say we have a grid with 3000 channels. In AFAR, each channel has an integral transceiver module (TPM). Power source (generator), local oscillator, mixer, phase shifter are made on one substrate in a single cycle. Suppose the antenna operates in the C or X range (AFAR can be in several at once, it is easier to integrate PPM of different ranges in a single lattice). The output microwave power of each PPM in the AFAR will be taken as 5W, that is, the total microwave power is 15 kW (actually probably less). In PFAR, a single source of microwave signal is, possibly, a klystron or a traveling wave tube (TWT), which produce up to tens of kW. That is, at the level of current technologies, it seems that the PFAR has a higher microwave power than the AFAR. Integration of two- and more-range PPMs into PFAR is a complex design problem, but in principle it can be solved. Scanning in such gratings (A and PFAR) is electronic (in PFAR, ferrite, less often pin, phase shifters are used). Also in PFAR there can be gimbal devices for turning the array in azimuth and elevation. That is, it can be assumed that the viewing angle of the PFAR is greater than that of the AFAR. Channel A and PFAR are basically the same, then the number of simultaneously scanned objects depends on signal processing and postprocessor. When receiving an APAR interference, in such a lattice it is possible to turn off the sector with a PPM to which the interference is received. PFAR has one receiver. The mixer at the RF input seems to be protected by an attenuator (ferrite or pin, the only question is in the speed and input power level). That is, in PFAR, the interference is bypassed either through signal processing, or it is closed at the input by an attenuator and the antenna does not see anything. Apparently, this is the main and only drawback of PFAR in comparison with AFAR. So, what if an attenuator is installed in the PFAR on each input / output channel of the phase shifter? A hybrid-integrated pin device is best suited for this. In this form, it can be made in the desired size and provide microwave losses in the unlocked state of less than 1 dB (in PFAR we have a power reserve). The blocking of such an attenuator will be more than 20 (30) dB. That is, there will be 3000 such attenuators at the inputs / outputs of the phase shifters. In AFAR, each channel has a receiver, so it is clear which channel to turn off in which sector of the grating (where the interference is aiming). In PFAR, there is one receiver that receives the sum of signals from each phase shifter. Then it is not clear which channel to disconnect. But if in the control you set a certain on / off algorithm for each attenuator and link it with signal processing, then I think in less than a few milliseconds (hundreds of microseconds), those sectors to which the interference is induced will be determined and closed by the attenuator. Then this disadvantage of PFAR in comparison with AFAR is leveled. Of course this is a difficult design task, but it is doable. Although there may be other methods that we do not even know about.
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat April 1 2021 13: 33
      +3
      My mother told me "teach sonny the propagation of radio waves in various environments" ...
    2. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 April 1 2021 14: 46
      +2
      AFAR cannot operate in different wavelengths from one module. These are different antennas and transmitters. Take the leopard as an example, there are passive X-band antennas and active L. L-band antennas are longer, they can be seen on the image of the antenna array if you look.
      1. Practik2012
        Practik2012 April 1 2021 15: 16
        +1
        Quote: Herman 4223
        AFAR cannot operate in different wavelengths from one module

        I understand that you mean PFAR. PFAR cannot operate in different bands from one generator (klystron, TWT), although it will close the band of each band by tuning. Simply, if we talk about PFAR with two or more ranges, then this is simply the integration of two or more PFARs for these ranges into one design that is acceptable in terms of dimensions. That is, there will be two or more corresponding generators, the same number of receivers, and each generator has its own phase shifters. And in AFAR, each cell is a separate PPM, with its own generator, receiver (heterodyne, mixer, IF (intermediate frequency) path). For example, out of 3000 PPMs, let's say 1000 operate in the C band at 7 GHz (or maybe they have tuning over the entire 4-8 GHz band, and the rest 2000 operate in the X band at 11 GHz (they can also have tuning over the entire 8-12 band) The main thing is to arrange these PPMs on the antenna field in order to provide the necessary radiation patterns. Regarding the PFAR, TWTs can also be tuned over the entire C or X band. Only for each band has its own TWT.
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 April 2 2021 07: 15
          +1
          I apologize for such a late answer, I completely forgot about you. No, I meant AFAR. The AFAR module can tune the frequencies. But it is not so dashing to immediately in different frequency ranges. Because there are other factors besides the transmitter. For example, an antenna, the length of which must be a multiple of a quarter of the wavelength. The range of rebuilding it is, but not so great Therefore, I gave you an example with a leopard, where for the L band, separate AFAR modules with longer antennas. Also for the moment 31 (our first AFAR and the first on fighters in the world), also on the Su-57, which has a separate radar built into both wings.
          1. Practik2012
            Practik2012 April 2 2021 09: 32
            +1
            Yes, absolutely. About different ranges for AFAR, I actually meant the integration of two or more AFAR of different ranges into one configuration, it's just structurally easier for AFAR to do it (fit into the dimensions). With regard to a quarter wavelength, this is true. For example, at 8 GHz, a quarter wavelength in free space will be ~ 9,4 mm. But if we are dealing with an integral design, where the transmission lines are not waveguides, but microstrips, then the wavelength is significantly reduced due to filling the line with a dielectric (root of epsilon (dielectric constant) times). For example, for various ceramics with epsilon 4, the wavelength will be halved, respectively, and the dimensions. In all types of phased array there are also conditions that determine at what distance from each other the output channels must be placed in order to effectively form the radiation pattern. This distance is also a multiple of the wavelength. And on the MiG-31 the world's first phased array is really implemented on a fighter, but this phased array of passive type PFAR (one feed (or several) for several thousand phasing channels), and not AFAR (active phased array, where each channel has its own power source synchronized from one common master). About the example of a leopard, as I understand it, you meant a barrier, there are passive X-band antennas and active L. After all, a leopard is a slotted antenna array of the X-band, but also with electronic scanning. Yes, the Su-57 has a full-fledged AFAR, and yes, there are several of them and they provide virtually all-round visibility. hi
            1. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 April 2 2021 10: 02
              +2
              At the moment-31 passive X-band headlights, but there are 64 L-band modules and they are active. At least there is such information on the Internet. And about the leopard there is also a description, it is not crevice like n001 on the su-27.
              1. Practik2012
                Practik2012 April 2 2021 11: 28
                +2
                Yes that's right. N011 "Bars" has a slot antenna, and "N011M" Bars-29 "is built on the basis of PFAR with complex phase and electrohydromechanical scanning." Not about that "leopard" I thought)
    3. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor April 1 2021 20: 15
      +1
      Damn it for a long time, I wanted to understand the difference, but did not dare to look deeper into the topic. Your comment, of course, is far from the "course for dummies", but it seems that something is being drawn.
      And yes, isn't it the peculiarity of the AFAR to change the direction in azimuth?
      1. Practik2012
        Practik2012 April 1 2021 22: 02
        +1
        Both the AFAR and the PFAR are electronically scanned by the beam both in azimuth and in elevation. Depending on the phase of the signal at the output of any cell, it will deviate in space. The cell output is already a small matched antenna. So, by changing the phases of the microwave signal at the output of each such antenna, you can collect all the output power into one beam, or divide it into several and scan certain sectors for a distance for how much energy (microwave power reserve) is enough. In principle, for any HEADLIGHT, you can use a gimbal for turning horizontally and vertically (in azimuth and in elevation) to increase the field of view. For example, in early versions of anti-aircraft missiles, the radar guidance head is a dish at which the feed is directed (as in satellite dishes) and this is all mounted on a two-gimbal suspension, so that the beam can be deflected both vertically and horizontally. As I understand it, if you make a projection of a ray onto an orthogonal surface, then the ray will draw something similar to continuous inverted eights (probably?). In a phased array, be it active or passive, the speed is due to electronics (phase shifters, etc.), and when mechanically rotated, respectively, mechanics. Clearly, electronic scanning is faster, and if we take into account all the overloads of tens of g, the temperature effects are shorter oh.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 6 2021 07: 24
        0
        http://paralay.iboards.ru/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1563
  12. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz April 1 2021 14: 16
    0
    Khoroshiy AFAR i vishshe nikuda. S nim dazhe istrebiteli 5 pok. tyazholo spraviatsa ili vobshche net.
  13. Simon schempp
    Simon schempp April 1 2021 14: 29
    -4
    The Russian Su-35 generation 4 ++ fighter occupies one of the leading positions in the international combat aircraft market

    List of countries other than Russia that have the SU-35.

    1.China.

    All laughing laughing
    1. Benk
      Benk April 1 2021 16: 53
      -1
      American magazine Military Watch - what is American? The usual "mirror", it is not clear who created it, which is actively used to broadcast the "opinion" of Americans in our pseudo-patriotic media.
  14. 123456789
    123456789 April 1 2021 20: 37
    +1
    Country USA Russia
    Manufacturer Lockheed Martin Sukhoi Design Bureau
    Name F-22 Su-35
    Modification of the F-22 Raptor Su-35
    Start of production (year) 1990 2008
    Length (m) 18.90 21.95
    Height (m) 5.08 5.92
    Wingspan (m) 13.56 14.75
    Empty weight (kg.) 19 700
    Maximum takeoff weight (kg.) 38 000 34 500
    Maximum flight range (km) 3 219
    Maximum flight speed (km / h) 2 410 2 500
    Cruising speed (km / h) 1 963 -
    Service ceiling (m) 19 812
    Power plant 2 x TRDDF Pratt Whitney F119-PW-100 2 x TRDDF AL-41F1S
    Engine power 156 14 500
    Crew (people) 1 1
    weaponry
    6 UR air-to-air AIM-120C AMRAAM. and

    in the side: 1 SD air-to-air AIM-9 Sidewinder

    on 4 external nodes

    8 AIM-120C AMRAAM and 4 2271 l PTB

    one 30-mm cannon GSh-30-1 (150 rounds),

    combat load - 8000 kg on 12 suspension nodes:

    URVV - R-27E, R-77, R-73, RVV-SD, RVV-MD,

    8 x R-27 ER1, 4 x R-27ET1 and P-27EP1,

    12 x R-77 RVB-AE, 6 x R-73

    Produced (units) 195 42

    More details at: https://avia.pro/sravnenie/voennue-samoletu/result
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 6 2021 07: 21
    0
    F15EX doesn't count anymore? Rafale ?,