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Ankara is suspected of "a possible double game" when using the S-400 air defense system in the Black Sea direction

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After the appearance of information that the Turkish fighter aviation together with the planes of the air forces of Bulgaria and Romania, it took to the air over the Black Sea to "observe and escort Russian aircraft", and a related issue is being discussed. It is connected with the fact that it was on the Black Sea coast - in the Sinop region - that the Turkish troops carried out a test deployment of the Russian S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems. If the tests were carried out on the shores of the Black Sea, could the Turkish Air Force use the radars of these systems against Russian aircraft during the mentioned "observation and escort" operation.


It should be noted that this issue worries not only Russian, but also NATO experts. If in Russia Turkey is suspected of using S-400 radars to obtain data on the movement of aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces or aviation of the Russian Navy, then in the West Ankara is suspected of "a possible double game in the Black Sea direction."

In particular, the version is expressed that the Turks over the Black Sea with the help of the capabilities of the S-400 "track not only Russian military aircraft, but also the aircraft of NATO partners." And then they analyze the information, deciding how best to use it in their own interests.

The United States even reproaches Turkey for the fact that by placing the S-400 air defense system on combat duty, it can "introduce an imbalance in the work of the air defense systems of NATO countries in the region." Conspiracy theorists get to the point that Turkey, "realizing or not, can through the operation of the S-400" Triumph "transfer to the Russians confidential information about the flights of NATO military aviation, about the systems of interaction in the implementation of joint operations of the alliance."

The Turkish authorities previously suggested that the Americans create a joint working group that would study the work of the S-400 "and found that there is no negative impact on the NATO collective air defense system." But the Pentagon ignored Ankara's proposal.
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  1. Flooding
    Flooding April 1 2021 09: 49
    +24
    Let me see.
    Has it ever happened for the Ottomans to play a double game and intrigue?
    It never happened when I was born.
    It is foolish to believe that it is possible otherwise.
    And that with the heirs of the Port, you can conduct a dialogue honestly and openly.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 1 2021 10: 12
      +2
      track not only Russian military aircraft, but also aircraft of NATO partners "
      I am deeply purple tracking NATO planes, but tracking Russian Aerospace Forces planes is very uncomfortable for me! Do not figs sell weapons to potential adversaries, especially NATO members! am
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 April 1 2021 10: 28
        +10
        Oh, don't tell me) such showdowns that are going on now were worth this sale) in fact, for the money of the Turks, their own military-industrial complex received a bunch of sanctions, which is very beneficial for us in any case)))
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 1 2021 10: 31
          +14
          Quote: carstorm 11
          their military-industrial complex received a bunch of sanctions, which is very beneficial for us in any case)

          Better tell us about the benefits of sanctions
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 April 1 2021 12: 37
            +4
            There is no benefit. Well, here, sorry, in '14 we made a choice and it was worth it as for me
          2. hrych
            hrych April 1 2021 14: 18
            +4
            For example, problems with the supply of components for Beyraktar, because Beyraktar is a screwdriver assembly. The Ukrainian Armed Forces hoped for this. The problem with the promotion of the F-35, etc. Turkey is now directly considering the purchase of our fighters, as a direct consequence of this scandal. The Israeli aviation could not be attacked by Turkish aircraft due to the embedded algorithms of the American airborne radar and weapons control systems. The German and Dutch calculations of the Petriots also did not inspire confidence. Those. there was nothing to shoot down Israeli and apparently NATO planes, and now there is something. This is a question of Turkey's sovereignty so and so. Well, what algorithms are laid down by our electronics engineers, one can only guess laughing
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 1 2021 17: 45
              +1
              And Turkey now has no UDC with the F-35B.
              Is it profitable for us? Of course. bully
        2. m.voron
          m.voron April 2 2021 16: 28
          -1
          They will solve their problems with sanctions quickly, but Russia will have a problem with this.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 April 2 2021 20: 53
            0
            What are you saying?))) And how will they solve them?)))) Will they dramatically strengthen science?))) Will they develop engines that other countries have been doing for decades?))) It's not even funny)))
      2. URAL72
        URAL72 April 1 2021 10: 42
        +4
        Do you think that before the delivery of the S-400, the Turks had nothing to track our and NATO aircraft with? There were no modern means of destruction, yes. But we know our complex well, but NATO was not ready for such a surprise. Hence the hysteria. Considering the consequences - the ban on the supply of F-35, dual-use components, an acute political crisis, the S-400 has already inflicted enormous damage on the Turks, made them behave more quietly with Russia and they may have to buy more of these complexes. And this is not cheap. The aircraft carrier Anadolu was left without fighters, which is also good, especially for Haftar. This is the best deal since the Su-30MKI, rest assured. And yes, for the Turks, nothing is over yet.
      3. xorek
        xorek April 1 2021 10: 58
        -2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Do not figs sell weapons to potential enemies, especially NATO members!

        It seems that there is a tab "friend-alien" .. And the sale of these systems to Turkey, this is the first stage of the collapse of NATO .. ​​We use their tactics "divide and conquer." bully
        In general, we already have S-500 ", and maybe even steeper we have hi
        Russia is a generous soul! wink
        So everything is going according to plan, I hope ..
      4. venik
        venik April 1 2021 11: 59
        +5
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        I am deeply purple tracking NATO planes, but tracking Russian Aerospace Forces planes is very uncomfortable for me! Do not figs sell weapons to potential adversaries, especially NATO members!

        =========
        And you, in your naivety believe, believe that apart from the radars 91Н6Е and 92Н2Е (from the S-400), the Turks have NOTHING to control the airspace ??? belay So you, I assure you - you "not in pgava".... No. Turkish air defense and missile defense are fairly well equipped with a variety of airspace control devices, which create a fairly dense radar field around Turkey. Here are the newest examples:

        1. The most modern of the stationary radars are two Selex RAT-31DL radars from the British-Italian consortium Leonardo SpA. This is the latest three-coordinate radar, with AFAR and a high-altitude target detection range of more than 500 km. In addition to Turkey, operators are the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland.


        2. The TRS 2215 Parasol radar operating in the 2-2,5 GHz frequency range is capable of monitoring airspace within a radius of 500 km. Created on the basis of the French SATRAPE radar developed by Thomson-CSF in the early 1980s, and has been in operation since the mid-1990s.

        And its mobile version TRS 2230:


        3. In the 1980s and 1990s, the Turkish Air Force received AN / FPS-117 radars and mobile versions of AN / TPS-77 from the United States. Three-coordinate radars with a phased antenna array operate in the frequency range in the frequency range 1215-1400 MHz and can see high-altitude air targets at a distance of up to 470 km:


        4. Mobile radar early warning missile AN / TPY-2 deployed in Turkey. According to information published by the Raytheon Corporation, a radar operating in the frequency range of 8,55-10 GHz is capable of detecting ballistic targets over the horizon at a distance of up to 4700 km.


        PS All this is only the most modern and most "long-range" radars from the Turkish Air Force and Air Defense, and there are others, not counting 6 modern AWACS aircraft: Boeing 737 AEW & C Peace Eagle with a detection range of up to 600 km (and the Turks have 6 pieces!)

        PPS So, there was no need for the Turks to connect the S-400 to the control of the airspace over the Black Sea - they already have a good view of it.
        1. Dread
          Dread April 2 2021 09: 17
          -3
          Quote: venik
          4. Mobile radar early warning missile AN / TPY-2 deployed in Turkey. Radar operating in the 8,55-10 GHz frequency range, according to information published by Raytheon Corporation, is capable of fix ballistic targets above the horizon at a distance of up to 4700 km.

          venik, when you write the parameters of the radar - the maximum range, then indicate the image intensifier (EPR) of the targets for which this parameter is given, otherwise it is a "filkin certificate"!
      5. GYGOLA
        GYGOLA April 1 2021 23: 59
        -1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Do not figs sell weapons to potential enemies, especially NATO members!

        Didn't they leave for themselves that very coveted button that turns the formidable complex numbered "n" into useless rubbish; have you forgotten? Well, how are children by God ...
    2. avg
      avg April 1 2021 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: Flood
      Has it ever happened for the Ottomans to play a double game and intrigue?
      It never happened when I was born.

      Exactly! But this has never happened, and here again ... request
    3. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 1 2021 11: 14
      -3
      Why double? Here I looked at the location of the S-400 near the city of Sinop, drew the border of the coverage zone of 400 km. Oh. Where are the NATO countries? Or their bases? And why are Sevastopol and Novorossiysk within the radius?
      It doesn't smell like a double game, the complexes are placed strictly against one country. S-400s cover the industrial centers of Turkey (Stanbul and Ankara) from the Aerospace Forces, in possible directions of aircraft flight. Other countries can fly around the cover area without problems. Even in theory, the complex does not reach the Incirlik base.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding April 1 2021 11: 37
        +1
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        It doesn't smell like a double game, the complexes are placed strictly against one country

        perhaps, given that Russia is a supplier of systems, and officially the countries do not conduct a hostile policy towards each other.
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 1 2021 11: 40
        +1
        the version is expressed that the Turks over the Black Sea with the help of the capabilities of the S-400 "track not only Russian military aircraft, but also the aircraft of NATO partners"


        Well, the fact that the Greeks are being watched is a fact. So why not "accidentally" track other "stray" ones?
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik April 1 2021 11: 54
          -3
          Naturally, the air defense system will track all aircraft that fall within its coverage area. This is her task. But notice where the NATO planes come from and where they fly. Usually they arrive from the direction of Romania, Bulgaria or Odessa, stay in this zone, or fly further along the southern border of Crimea.
      3. Volga073
        Volga073 April 1 2021 11: 53
        0
        So this base is very easy to bomb))
      4. pytar
        pytar April 1 2021 12: 30
        +1
        Here I looked at the location of the S-400 near the city of Sinop, drew the border of the coverage zone of 400 km. Oh. Where are the NATO countries? Or their bases? And why are Sevastopol and Novorossiysk within the radius? It doesn't smell like a double game, the complexes are placed strictly against one country. S-400s cover the industrial centers of Turkey (Stanbul and Ankara) from the Aerospace Forces, in possible directions of aircraft flight.

        Cards are good stuff! They clearly show what and how! good I used your map and added air control zones of the Black Sea countries to the S-400 cover zone.

        It is clearly visible against whom this device is directed! hi From Sinop S-400, controls 90% of Russia. zone, and insignificant parts of others.
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 1 2021 11: 40
      +1
      We had to think in advance before selling the Sultan and others like him C400! It's already too late. ...
  2. Wolf
    Wolf April 1 2021 09: 52
    +2
    With 400 and NATO headache and heartache, besides this and the cause of mental illness. Made a formidable weapon, well done! laughing
    1. jetfors_84
      jetfors_84 April 1 2021 10: 14
      -1
      One thought of his existence will kill enemies laughing
      1. dorz
        dorz April 1 2021 10: 26
        +1
        We sell RD-18 engines to the Americans, and modern missile systems to the Turks. Did these measures support the manufacturer and split NATO? It's like boo boo boo and saw cut, strengthening Turkey as an independent player and competitor in the region.
  3. Woodman
    Woodman April 1 2021 09: 55
    +11
    ... If the tests were carried out on the shores of the Black Sea, could the Turkish Air Force have used the radars of these systems against Russian aircraft during the aforementioned "observation and escort" operation.
    So it is logical that the Turks will use the complexes as they want. What is there to be surprised at? For this, there is an export version of weapons.
    1. frruc
      frruc April 1 2021 09: 57
      +4
      The Turkish authorities previously suggested that the Americans create a joint working group that would study the work of the S-400 "and found that there is no negative impact on the NATO collective air defense system." But the Pentagon ignored Ankara's proposal.

      Everyone pulls the blanket over. And Turks can be unpredictable.
  4. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 1 2021 09: 56
    -13%
    For fun it will be inadequate if the Turks with 400 shot down our plane ... What will happen? Will the military elite swallow?
    1. Fungus
      Fungus April 1 2021 10: 02
      -5
      For su 24 they did not swallow and for another they will not swallow. And they will not shoot down. And they can't.
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O April 1 2021 10: 08
        -11%
        What has not been swallowed? And what did they do? Swallowed and did not choke
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 April 1 2021 10: 11
          +4
          Quote: Holuay T.O.
          Swallowed and did not choke

          Well, what is so immediately in itself, then? request
          P.S. In the Russian language lessons, he stood in the corner on peas. yes
          1. Holuay T.O
            Holuay T.O April 1 2021 10: 12
            -11%
            Is this how swallowing is leveled?
        2. Fungus
          Fungus April 1 2021 10: 29
          -1
          Revenged in multiples
        3. Sovpadenie
          Sovpadenie April 1 2021 13: 14
          +1
          Would you arrange large-scale military operations? Remember the explosion of a bus with the Turkish military, among whom there were 22 pilots (there is an opinion that there was a pilot who shot down our plane), remember the Turkish helicopter shot down by the "Needle" by the Kurds. Some high-ranking Turkish military officials have bluntly stated that this is Putin's revenge. And, of course, tomatoes. Where can we go without them?
        4. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock April 2 2021 00: 27
          0
          Quote: Holuay T.O.
          What has not been swallowed? And what did they do? Swallowed and did not choke

          The answer was
      2. Overlock
        Overlock April 1 2021 10: 32
        +21
        Quote: Fungus
        For su 24 not swallowed

        Are you talking about tomatoes?
        1. Fungus
          Fungus April 1 2021 11: 28
          -1
          About the Turkish headquarters
          1. Overlock
            Overlock April 1 2021 17: 07
            +23
            Quote: Fungus
            About the Turkish headquarters

            Do you want to say that this is our handiwork? Think carefully about your answer
            1. Fungus
              Fungus April 1 2021 17: 42
              0
              They write our hands. Even the presidential advisor wanted to declare war on us.
    2. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov April 1 2021 10: 04
      +4
      In your parallel universe
  5. Alien From
    Alien From April 1 2021 10: 01
    +8
    One thing is clear, only a knife in the back can be expected from the Sultan.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 1 2021 10: 06
      +4
      Nothing new in general.
      It seems that we do not call him a great friend, especially .... a situational companion.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From April 1 2021 10: 09
        +4
        Even more an enemy, if only a word.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 1 2021 10: 47
          +2
          Anyone who is honest with himself, with others, will never call such a friend ... a companion who needs an eye, but an eye and fists at the ready.
  6. knn54
    knn54 April 1 2021 10: 02
    +1
    I can say for sure one thing - the S-400 will be used against the F-35 of the Greek Air Force.
    1. cniza
      cniza April 1 2021 10: 09
      +4
      And not only, but against everyone who will approach the border ...
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 April 1 2021 10: 03
    +1
    Turkey is suspected of using S-400 radars to obtain data on the movement of aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces or the aviation of the Russian Navy, while in the West, Ankara is suspected of "a possible double game in the Black Sea direction."
    ... And sho, for the BV leaders / rulers, is this something new ??? Oh, how often this happened before, so why not now?
    1. cniza
      cniza April 1 2021 10: 08
      +6
      The Turks are playing their own game, they have their own plans ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 1 2021 10: 45
        +3
        The plans of the Sultan are obvious, and in them the interests of Russia are completely sideways.
        Although now, he is forced to adhere to some framework ... how long it can last, we do not know.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 1 2021 12: 00
          +2
          They sharpen their teeth in order to bite off a piece and fatter from us ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 1 2021 12: 06
            +2
            Quote: cniza
            They sharpen their teeth in order to bite off a piece and fatter from us ...

            They always "counted" their teeth and kicked them under their tails ... they would never be the first to climb, but they could risk joining the "general fun" as before ...
            Our task for such "merry fellows" is to clearly show that the "fun" for them will end immediately, they will not have time to vyakut once again.
            1. cniza
              cniza April 1 2021 12: 12
              +3
              It's hard to say, Erdogan will not have long left, but how the successors will behave ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 April 1 2021 12: 30
                +1
                So yes, who is next there, they do not report to us.
                1. cniza
                  cniza April 1 2021 13: 58
                  +2
                  One can feel the minke whales are now working with their sleeves rolled up, they really need Turkey. but will it work ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 April 1 2021 14: 31
                    0
                    You can listen to Svetenko. He is now the most, the most in the know.
                    In general, everything is not easy there! It can work out anyway.
                    But, such a bright talker like Erdogan is no longer there ... this is also obvious.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza April 1 2021 15: 07
                      +3
                      If only today's foreign minister, he is so Erdoganov-minded ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 April 1 2021 15: 10
                        +1
                        Around the Sultan, there are always the most agreeable, BUT, this is the east, it means that the matter is muddy ALWAYS!
                      2. cniza
                        cniza April 1 2021 15: 16
                        +3
                        Therefore, I am so careful and say - "today and tomorrow are as different as day and night"
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 April 1 2021 15: 25
                        +1
                        We just look from behind the fence ... even those who are there, do not give any predictions. They confine themselves to pointing out those from whom only trouble can be expected, and no one else! This is an indicator of great uncertainty, that's for sure.
  • cniza
    cniza April 1 2021 10: 08
    +3
    In particular, the version is expressed that the Turks over the Black Sea with the help of the capabilities of the S-400 "track not only Russian military aircraft, but also the aircraft of NATO partners."


    Funny, how else? lol
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 April 1 2021 10: 16
      +11
      Russian radar has no right to track NATO aircraft. This is a violation of all international laws and, in general, an act of blatant aggression .. When a NATO transponder is found, he must immediately disconnect and send his apologies .. And even better - immediately list the fine and provide a scan of the certificate of the release of the bulk ..
      1. cniza
        cniza April 1 2021 11: 57
        +1
        Well, yes, they are counting on it. laughing
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 1 2021 10: 12
    +2
    The complexes are now theirs, as they want and use. A double game for the Turks is an amateur level. There is a triple and some other. Like our ear. Only at the finish line they, as usual, outsmart themselves.
    1. KCA
      KCA April 1 2021 11: 38
      0
      Yes, the fish soup is really good, if after 2-3 times laying of fish, even all kinds of roach and undergrowth, then lay a couple of ducks :-)
  • Cheshire
    Cheshire April 1 2021 10: 22
    +1
    Quote: Uncle Lee
    Do not figs sell weapons to potential enemies, especially NATO members!

    It won't help them, rest assured. Not the volumes, there is still no proper coordination of calculations, they are in sight, if anything, they will be the first to crash ... smile
  • Overlock
    Overlock April 1 2021 10: 30
    +20
    Not surprised Erdogan just doesn't do anything. Mnogostannik
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 1 2021 10: 59
    +1
    Turkey is not our ally. This means that the accusation of a double game in relation to us is inappropriate.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 1 2021 11: 43
      +2
      Quote: nikvic46
      Turkey is not our ally. This means that the accusation of a double game in relation to us is inappropriate.

      It is not Russia that worries ... the West is in a panic ...
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak April 1 2021 11: 43
    +2
    Strange claims, to be honest. So you might think the radar will select - these should be tracked, but these are not needed. The S-400 air defense system is actually her job, to track everything that flies in the air. It doesn't matter that she comes from the same country whose planes she is tracking.
  • huntsman650
    huntsman650 April 1 2021 14: 25
    0
    I think they did not forget to lay the self-liquidator in the heart of the system)))
  • Storog dvornik
    Storog dvornik April 1 2021 15: 42
    0
    It is officially declared that export air defense systems (other defense systems) do not harm the Russian Federation ... Is this real, or not?
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  • migsu
    migsu April 1 2021 22: 40
    0
    What nonsense !? The export version of the S-400 a priori cannot track objects of the Russian Federation!
  • Sashka
    Sashka April 2 2021 09: 56
    0
    Actually, in what place is it written that you cannot use existing weapons? What is it for then? In any country, air defense forces take on target tracking in the zone of responsibility, or even "visibility". There is nothing to blame on the Turks. They themselves have a crooked face, since they sold it to a potential enemy. Whether they did it right or not, only history will judge ...