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"The Chinese populate Russian Siberia, especially the area of ​​historical Harbin": a Polish general on threats to Moscow

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The Polish generals continue to carefully study Russia, preparing for future battles with their neighbor. At the same time, the hope is expressed for its early collapse under the burden of internal problems and external pressure.


As General Skshipchak points out, Russia's successful expansion in the Middle East and Africa, as well as the growing rapprochement with China, Iran and Turkey, are only an illusion of prosperity. The former Soviet republics are increasingly out of the orbit of Moscow's influence. In the Muslim regions of the Caucasus that remained in the Russian Federation, “mercilessly suppressed separatism breaks out: the peoples want their own historical the identity destroyed by the Russian conquerors of the 19th and 20th centuries ”.

The Chinese, in the course of legal and illegal immigration, populate Siberia, especially the area of ​​the historic Chinese city of Harbin. How long will Moscow pretend nothing is happening?

- asks the Polish general, talking about the threats facing the Kremlin on the pages of Defense24.

I wonder if the Polish general himself has ever been to Siberia, and does not the local population of certain republics confuse ethnic Chinese? ..

Reading this statement by Waldemar Skshipchak, it should be borne in mind that he led the Polish ground forces and is considered a recognized expert on Russian issues. Recently, in Poland, "sorted out flights" in connection with the results of the military games, according to which the RF Armed Forces won a victory over Warsaw within a few days. It seems that with such a general, the chances of the Polish army become even more sad.
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  1. apro
    apro April 1 2021 04: 20
    +10
    Harbin was especially amused.
    What should the Chinese do in our refrigerator? They with their neighboring side on the other side of the border toil. The Chinese themselves migrate to the southern provinces. And live easier and more money. In the Far East after a series of effective reforms. It is not profitable for the Chinese to trade and work. The average salary has fallen. ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 1 2021 04: 23
      +11
      ... a Polish general about threats to Moscow

      With the Polish strategic plans for the "conquest of Russia" under the strict leadership of the United States, it would be necessary to attend to the improvement of knowledge of the topography and landscapes of the Smolensk region ...
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 April 1 2021 04: 45
        +12
        Pay special attention to birch groves and swampy areas :)))
      2. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 April 1 2021 07: 08
        +13
        As a person who regularly visits the Far East, I dare to assure everyone that the Chinese, who once lived in the Russian Far East, simply fled from there due to low incomes to their more prosperous China.
        There are still some goner Chinese in the Far East and Siberia. But they are already greasing their heels with lard in order to escape from Russia, for they are hungry here.
        1. frruc
          frruc April 1 2021 10: 13
          +9
          Don't understand what Harbin has to do with it?
          Harbin city (Chinese, pinyin Hā'ěrbīn, Pall. Haerbin) is a city of sub-provincial importance in northeastern China, the seat of the Heilongjiang province authorities.
          Maybe this ignoramus, General Skshipchak meant Khabarovsk. So the Chinese come there on excursions.
          1. Lionnvrsk
            Lionnvrsk April 1 2021 12: 25
            +9
            Quote: frruc
            Maybe this ignoramus, General Skshipchak meant Khabarovsk. So the Chinese come there on excursions.

            Of course. Pshek just heard that Harbin is the most Russian city in China, that it was founded by Russian settlers, and now it is Chinese. So he confuses the gift of God with scrambled eggs.
        2. Niko
          Niko April 1 2021 11: 07
          +2
          Quote: Aleksandr1971
          As a person who regularly visits the Far East, I dare to assure everyone that the Chinese, who once lived in the Russian Far East, simply fled from there due to low incomes to their more prosperous China.
          There are still some goner Chinese in the Far East and Siberia. But they are already greasing their heels with lard in order to escape from Russia, for they are hungry here.

          Good tactic, and some wonder why the standard of living is falling? It turns out not why but WHY - so that it becomes impossible to live and no one shaves
          1. hrych
            hrych April 1 2021 11: 29
            +9
            Firstly, the Chinese in the Russian Federation are uncomfortable because of the linguistic, mental and cultural differences, as well as the lack of social and legal powerlessness. This is life in a foreign land so and so. Secondly, the PRC is now introducing pensions for its citizens, and also, finally, the supposedly socialist country took care of the social system with the victory of capitalism wassat Those. the Chinese need to develop experience in their homeland, etc. Thirdly, it was the Chinese gaster that were relevant when there was a wild market in the Russian Federation, lawlessness and a shortage of everything. Now the same retail is represented by chains such as Magnet, Pyaterochka, etc. And the non-food sector is sold in Hypermarkets and Shopping Centers. Where is the place for handicraft? Where is the place for Chinese shops? When I was in Vladivostok, I was surprised by the Chinese market. Small area, so there are no Chinese there. Locals trade, and in barbershops there are flip-flops. Nearby there are THREE huge shopping centers where crowds go ... And the Chinese market has a huge puddle wassat and the people not only do not go, but bypass wassat
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 April 1 2021 04: 31
      +20
      Well, yes, given that Harbin is China. Here Khabarovsk is Russia :))) Although the Pole is that Khabarovsk, that Harbin ... A competent general, well :))) And so yes, the northern regions of China are sparsely populated, here are the Chinese not the same as in the south. It's cold here. We don't have the north, but this year one and a half months kept at minus 30 plus strong winds. By the standards of southern peoples, it is warm in our country, in total 4 months a year :))) Blagoveshchensk is far away not north. Here is the land of evergreen tomatoes-Skovorodino, although it is also not north yet :)))
      1. apro
        apro April 1 2021 04: 37
        +2
        Quote: VORON538
        Here is the edge of evergreen tomatoes-Skovorodino, although it is also not north yet :)))

        About Mogocha ... we will humbly wet it.
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 April 1 2021 04: 42
          +7
          From the same song. As it was said: God created Sochi, and hrt Skovorodino and Mogochi
      2. Ren
        Ren April 1 2021 05: 46
        +4
        Quote: VORON538
        Here is the edge of evergreen tomatoes-Skovorodino, although it is also not north yet :)))

        Well, the Skovorodka is actually a southern border region (relative to the rest of Russia in general and the Amur region in particular) wassat Although, as far as I remember, it is not deep to permafrost.
        When I was young, I remember when I was on a business trip to Tynda by car along the dusty AMS to the Skovorodka I turned to my relatives every day. Here Tynda is already the northern region of the Amur Region wassat , although it lies south of the southern city of Neryungri (by the standards of Yakutia). wink
    3. Evil543
      Evil543 April 1 2021 07: 07
      +4
      It was he who hadn’t been to the Moscow “gardener” yet. Otherwise, I would have announced their expansion in Moscow wassat
    4. antivirus
      antivirus April 1 2021 08: 31
      +2
      and Vologda is in the Uygur district ... so the loss of national identity threatens ... from Polish experts
    5. Alex widerkehr
      Alex widerkehr April 3 2021 21: 50
      0
      I watched the program of Karaulov (Shamil Sultanov: "Today is bad, but this is good; tomorrow it will be even worse ...") there are figures for the population of the Far East, 5 mln. Russians and 0.5 ml. Chinese. Considering that over the past year the population of Russia has decreased by 0.6 ml. person (Ros.stat) This is a very dangerous tendency.
  2. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee April 1 2021 04: 21
    +6
    with such generals, the chances of the Polish army become even more dire.
    PS I am especially sorry for Harbin ... crying
  3. sleeve
    sleeve April 1 2021 04: 23
    +5
    He said powerfully. Mukden forgot. The same is almost "Russian". It was thought that in the end he would "pin his hopes" on Baron Ungern in Mongolia.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. April 1 2021 04: 33
      +6
      The Polish general is well versed in geography.
      With his knowledge of the world, the Chinese will soon occupy Warsaw.
      The Poles are wondering lately ... they are getting farther and farther from reality in the virtual world of Western democracy. what
      1. Kerensky
        Kerensky April 1 2021 07: 46
        +5
        The Polish general is well versed in geography.

        "Guys! Do you have a penny for nem? The general needs to buy a souvenir, - a compass for diagrams .." (C) DMB
  4. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk April 1 2021 04: 36
    +14
    There are fewer Chinese in Siberia than in Central Russia. Who will voluntarily go here to us. It's winter here for 6 months. On the contrary, everyone leaves our city for the south of the country, because you can only work here on a rotational basis. And there is work only in the oil and gas and forestry sectors. The rest of the industry has been destroyed.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 April 1 2021 06: 54
      +8
      Quote: From Tomsk
      It's winter here for 6 months.

      Sorry, eight.
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 April 1 2021 15: 44
        0
        According to Siberian concepts - 6. And another two months, when the snow is already / is still knee-deep, but already / is still warm.
    2. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky April 1 2021 06: 59
      +10
      Quote: From Tomsk
      It's winter here for 6 months.

      Not quite so 6 months white winter, another four months green winter, and 2 months summer ... and then if you're lucky laughing
  5. maiman61
    maiman61 April 1 2021 04: 49
    +1
    Polish general? What is this, a joke?
  6. DV tam 25
    DV tam 25 April 1 2021 04: 56
    +7
    The Polish and Ukrainian (and others from the west and not only) fools, all of Russian Siberia and the Far East are already inhabited by the Chinese. It is not even discussed. Inhabited and point. Moreover, the land was sold to him and the crowds of these continue to shove there. That is why the named fools have their own wonderful and wonderful world. Where everything is clear and instead of the sun, star-striped garbage with a smiling face of Biden or other equally stupid mugs caresses them with rays of goodness and justice on an empty, but such a cute democratic and smiling head. And at this time, the Chinese are all twig and twig to Siberia straight to Harbin ...
  7. KCA
    KCA April 1 2021 05: 02
    +4
    Weak, weak stuffing, but where are our favorite liberoids and our other neighbors from the country 404 photos from Sweden with huge mountains of round timber and forests cut down to zero, which are called the fruits of the activities of the Chinese in Siberia? Really, the Poles are not given State Department manuals?
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 1 2021 05: 05
    +4
    I have not confused anything, it seems like Harbin has long been a Chinese city? He doesn't fumble about geography at all! !! fool fool
  9. Free wind
    Free wind April 1 2021 05: 08
    +1
    That is, there are severe frosts on our bank of the Amur. and on the Chinese side there is eternal summer. The Chinese climb into Russia, and some people help them a lot in this, and the frosts do not bother them. Let's say in the Kemerovo region the Chinese have a lot of sawmills, the Chinese work. P. Tyazhinsky, at the entrance there are five sawmills, as the police say, about 200 legal Chinese live. The weather is not at all south, frosts and under 50 are not uncommon.
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      April 1 2021 05: 59
      +10
      Do they live permanently with their families in the village of Tyazhinsky? If we are talking about Chinese businessmen with Chinese shift workers, this is a matter of corruption and just to the local rooftops. And if the Amur "herds" go in search of a new home - this is already demography.
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        1. loki565
          loki565 April 1 2021 07: 09
          +6
          But the Chinese are not particularly keen to settle in the north of the country, although they are allocated subsidies and benefits there, the main population lives in the south and on the coast.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 1 2021 07: 52
          +3
          I have lived in the Far East all my life and know two of them) they married the Russians and stayed. ))) these cases are very rare)
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. April 1 2021 06: 47
      +6
      Quote: Free Wind
      In the Kemerovo region, the Chinese have a lot of sawmills, the Chinese work.

      There are even more "sawmills" in Poland, where Ukrainians work ... Is the general not afraid that they will seize Polish lands?
      If a Chinese person wants to move to Russia and take Russian citizenship in accordance with Russian law, he has cards in his hands ... And the immigration service and border guards are engaged in illegal immigrants, they receive a salary for this ...
      As a law-abiding citizen, you wrote an application to the migration service, where and how many illegal Chinese are there?
      1. Free wind
        Free wind April 1 2021 07: 18
        -3
        A law-abiding citizen has no right to check the documents of another equally obedient citizen. There are so many girls who run into prosperous citizens and remain penniless. Libel against law-abiding citizens is punishable by law.
  10. jonht
    jonht April 1 2021 05: 53
    +6
    Hmm, Harbin in the RF? Then we urgently need to pick it up from China !!!! We live here and do not know that Harbin is OUR !!!! wassat
    We slept in Russian lands in the Kremlin, it is necessary to return, M yes ... wassat
    Joke. Sleep well, dear Chinese. hi
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 April 1 2021 06: 11
    +4
    "The Chinese populate Russian Siberia, especially the area of ​​historical Harbin": a Polish general on threats to Moscow
    Well, of course, who else will take care of our interes ... just a sprinkled henRahl.
  12. mmaxx
    mmaxx April 1 2021 06: 15
    +5
    The military and in Poland have hollow beaks. In general, he is absolutely right. Harbin and everything around is inhabited by the Chinese. Millions by 50. Only Harbin itself is China.
    Where is the world heading if they have such ...?
    1. Tochilka
      Tochilka April 1 2021 06: 57
      -4
      Do you admit the variant of the crooked translation? Or a deliberate mistake made to trample on the "stupid Polish general" here? wassat
      1. mmaxx
        mmaxx April 1 2021 10: 14
        +1
        I have no illusions about the generals.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 1 2021 06: 19
    +3
    the successful expansion of Russia in the Middle East and Africa, as well as the growing rapprochement with China, Iran and Turkey, are only an illusion of prosperity
    So why is this "illusion" so worried about the collective West that they cannot eat? Well, and this is generally beyond understanding
    district of the historic Chinese city of Harbin
    What are you general about? For your information, the city of Harbin is located in the Chinese province of Heilongjiang and in fact was considered a "Russian" city in China, since was rebuilt by Russians and had a large Russian population. But the Pole is not up to historical accuracy, the main thing is to prick Russia.
    1. Free wind
      Free wind April 1 2021 06: 36
      -4
      Well, maybe the Pole is right about something, about 1970 million Chinese lived in Harbin in 1.5, now there are about 10-12, about the surrounding villages of 100-200 million inhabitants, you can not even talk about. Of the 30 thousandth Russian community in 55, 200 remained by the ninetieth year.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 April 1 2021 06: 41
        +5
        This is understandable, but ... the Polish general gave out to the mountain
        The Chinese, in the course of legal and illegal immigration, populate Siberia, especially the area of ​​the historic Chinese city of Harbin.
        How can Chinese people settle in their city by immigration?
        1. Free wind
          Free wind April 1 2021 07: 19
          -7
          There is a concept of internal migration.
  14. bistrov.
    bistrov. April 1 2021 06: 38
    +5
    So Harbin, this is China, who should live there?
  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 1 2021 06: 50
    +6
    Lyakhs, as they were, ignoramuses, so they remained. Therefore, they were divided and kicked, all and sundry.
  16. Gardamir
    Gardamir April 1 2021 06: 54
    -3
    The article is superbly constructed. There are now designated enemies in Russia. Well, the Pole said it, this is ha-ha. What should the Chinese do in Russia, they will freeze haha. I have not been to my small homeland in the Kirov region for eight years. but judging by social networks, the Chinese have reached us. our forests are certainly not Siberia, but they are transported to Shina in wagons. Otherwise, the Pole said that.
  17. U-58
    U-58 April 1 2021 07: 00
    +3
    The Polish army under the command of such a Skripochka will get lost in Siberia, looking for Harbin in its vastness.
    At the same time, we will leave the possibility of Polish marching columns to reach Siberia outside the brackets)))
  18. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus April 1 2021 07: 44
    -6
    I wonder if the Polish general himself ever visited Siberia,

    I wonder if the author himself has ever been to Siberia?
    China is no less an enemy of Russia than the United States.
  19. Growlers
    Growlers April 1 2021 08: 07
    +1
    The Americanization of Poland has touched the brains of Polish generals ...
  20. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 1 2021 08: 13
    0
    laughing "Isn't it weak for Valdemar to jump into the fountain?" (c) It looks like the lackeys got Russia and China from the overseas master of the Central Administration to litter on all "fronts". Looks like it is not very pleasant and scary for the ex-hegemon to live in new realities. winked
  21. Operator
    Operator April 1 2021 09: 21
    +2
    Pole's roof has gone - Harbin is in the PRC laughing
  22. Andrey Korotkov
    Andrey Korotkov April 1 2021 09: 56
    +2
    It's time to introduce the term - creeping Chinese migration, request money from the EU for containment, otherwise the Chinese will rush through our borders to Europe through Poland - there will be a crisis worse than the previous one fellow
  23. Basior
    Basior April 1 2021 10: 17
    -1
    Mapa roszczeń Chińskich wobec Rosji
    As a reminder to those who taunt the Polish general, who clearly wrote that he does not mean the city of Harbin, but the historical Chinese province with the same name as the default of the 19th century. China has not forgotten its lands, seized by Russia as a result of the Beijing Convention of 1860, when China was weakened by the opium wars. This treaty was unequal and can be compared to the Imperial Treaty signed by the Sejm of the Republic of Poland in Grodno in 1793, which agreed with the second partition of Poland. Both agreements were signed under the physical threat of Russian bayonets. 160 years have passed, and the situation is changing: Russia has weakened, and China is waiting like a hyena. Currently, 6 million people live on the Russian-Chinese border on the Russian side and 90 million on the Chinese side.
    Only the complete one can laugh at the threat looming over modern Russia. I read the Russian site 3rim.info and have known about the threat for a long time. The Polish proverb fits the current situation: "A hat is on fire for a thief."
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 1 2021 10: 32
      +2
      Enough already, huh? The topic with China on all borders is completely closed. Neither side has any complaints. What and who has not forgotten what there?) The Chinese migrate in their own country in the millions to the south. I myself have been in a city where there are a lot of new houses and almost no one lives there.
    2. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 April 1 2021 11: 23
      +3
      The Susanins have not yet died out on the Russian land, only now they draw maps for the Poles :) Do not show where Batu Khan lived on this map, he is familiar to the Poles, and at the same time find out where the Chinese were in those and subsequent times.
    3. DV tam 25
      DV tam 25 April 1 2021 12: 54
      +4
      What are you posting nonsense? Is it from ignorance, or just to play? China never owned land beyond the Amur and Ussuri. This is a historical fact. According to the Aigun Treaty, the ownership of the left bank of the river to Russia was legally established. Amur from the river. Argun to the mouth; right bank of the river. Amur to r. Ussuri was assigned to China. The area between Ussuri and the sea "... until the definition of the border between the two states in these places ..." was declared a common possession of Russia and China. Navigation along the Amur, Sungari and Ussuri was allowed only for Russian and Chinese ships. Further: The Treaty legally secured for Russia the territory that had ceded to it under the Treaty of Nerchinsk in 1689. Finally, the border between Russia and China in the Far East was determined by the Beijing Treaty of 1860, which confirmed the Aigun and Tanjin treaties, and also established the passage of the border along the river ... Ussuri. For thousands of years, the Chinese have NEVER (in terms of statehood) been in Siberia and modern Primorye. Individuals staggered in gangs - for frogs, gold and ferns until the end of the 30s. Until the NKVD thinned them out and the border became covered. Moreover, some irresponsible Chinese still want to capture the Far East and Siberia, especially their wild plants, but they are caught and planted several times a year. Or they are transferred to their historical homeland, where they do not stand on ceremony with them. They can shoot them on the spot. In short, learn materiel, start with the Treaty of Nerchinsk in 1689, this is with regards to Russian bayonets. Then maybe you will strike at the history of the peoples of Siberia and Primorye! And then understanding and enlightenment will come - and the Chinese are NOT THESE! Not the Chinese then!) Good luck in learning!

      By the way, there is such a story that when Mr. Muravyov-Amursky voiced the general attitude towards delimitation, the Chinese asked several times - "that you are really giving away all the land there?" And ours to them: "True, true." These again: "everything is everything?" Ours are like: "Well, yes, like, what's wrong?". Chinese: "Not, not everything is holoso, they just asked."
  24. iouris
    iouris April 1 2021 10: 43
    -1
    The Chinese are non-Chinese, while the Russians are dying out, aging and losing their skills.
    1. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov April 1 2021 12: 27
      +4
      You suggest not to grow old and improve your qualifications? request
  25. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor April 1 2021 14: 14
    +2
    And I thought what kind of slow-witted people always write about Siberia and the Chinese? And these are Polish low-grade trolls.
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 April 1 2021 16: 04
      0
      So this general did not know anything about Siberia and the Chinese, but Ukrainian migrant workers at the dacha told him something ...
  26. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 April 1 2021 15: 26
    +2
    Chinese threat worries Polish general belay
    The Chinese themselves do not want to live in their northern regions !!!
    The "celestial" itself has more than 60 million newly built apartments and houses with all the amenities and infrastructure "the latest technology" (parks, stadiums), where, if necessary, can accommodate half of the residents of the post-Soviet space. They are distributed among more than 15 uninhabited cities of "ghosts", among which the main ones are distinguished: Xishuan; Ordos; Kangbashi; Tyanducheng; Thames Town.
  27. Storog dvornik
    Storog dvornik April 1 2021 16: 17
    +1
    Eastern non-European in the old days called Southern Lithuania - Pospolita, an extreme version of Poland ... a longer version of today's Balts and residents of the former Ukrainian SSR ... humor with their nonsense ...
  28. Lister
    Lister April 1 2021 17: 06
    +6
    Valdemar Sksipchak

    is considered a recognized expert on Russian topics

    I very much doubt his status as an expert ... Chatterbox and Russophobe. yes
  29. Adimius38
    Adimius38 April 1 2021 18: 37
    0
    In fact, the topic of the Far East and Siberia is closed. Federal media are stubbornly silent about this.
  30. Alex widerkehr
    Alex widerkehr April 1 2021 19: 35
    -1
    I watched the program of Karaulov (Shamil Sultanov: "Today is bad, but this is good; tomorrow it will be even worse ...") there are figures for the population of the Far East, 5 mln. Russians and 0.5 ml. Chinese. Considering that over the past year the population of Russia has decreased by 0.6 ml. person (Ros.stat) This is a very dangerous tendency.
  31. syndicalist
    syndicalist April 1 2021 21: 47
    0
    The fact that the expansion of China is being promoted more and more every year is obvious not only to the inhabitants of Siberia. The Chinese behave like masters. This is manifested not only in deforestation. There are a lot of reports when they demand the firing of officials who dared to object to their aggressive demeanor of doing business. All Russian social networks with political content are flooded with Chinese Russian-speaking trolls propagandizing the Chinese state and the prospects of the Russians with the message of the "union" of the two countries.
  32. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 1 2021 21: 48
    +1
    laughing Eastern Europe demanded from the European Commission to include natural gas in the list of viable investments and to loosen restrictions on its use in the future. The question of where the Poles get it? This will mean that the United States no longer rules Poland, this hog has grown and gained weight, judging by Ukraine, Poland too will be gutted, if Britashka was a Trojan horse in the EU, Poland is a Trojan donkey in the EU. laughing