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Collapsed plans for Soviet Mars and the Moon

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Today, after a number of bright and at the same time groundless statements about Russia's claims in space, it is worth looking back at some moments in the past. Simply because he who does not remember the past is unlikely to be able to accomplish anything worthy in the future. This fact has been proven so many times historythat I just don't want to return to him.



More than 60 years have passed since the adoption of a particularly important and top secret Resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On the plan for space exploration for 1960 and the first half of 1961".

Since then, it is no longer so important, and, accordingly, not secret. However, the situation has not changed much.

In general, everything is so reminiscent of our global history, to be honest. There was Ancient Greece, there was Rome with their development, technologies, aqueducts, baths and toilets. And then the Middle Ages came. A bit more down-to-earth and smelly. Then the Renaissance. And we.

In general, it was about the same in space. Everyone, without exception, has stagnated, and there is nothing to make a hero-conqueror out of Mask today, he develops what he started, nothing more.


If we look at how the Soviet leadership saw the space program in the 60-70s, then we will not see anything supernatural here either. Almost everything came true according to the will of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the efforts of the team of Sergei Korolev. Some really knew how to plan and set tasks, while others - to make a fairy tale come true.

So the Vostok spacecraft and Gagarin as a pilot made the Soviet Union the first in the space race for a long time. And then Leonov and Tereshkova were added.

Did the Americans get it back? Definitely yes. Their moon epic was a very worthy response.

Today we can talk for a very long time about the fact that there was no flight, that all this was filmed in Hollywood, for me personally, the opinion of the employees of our space forces, with whom we talked at one of the forums in Alabino, is more important. Comrade colonels were not only careful in their statements, they thought over every letter.

What my colleague Krivov and I squeezed out of them was confirmation that the American ship was indeed approaching the Moon. Whether he sat down or not, our means of tracking could not and did not determine this at that time. But the fact of the approach was recorded.

And it would be possible to put an end to this for a long time, because the program of space exploration at that moment, as it were, ended. Then the orbital swarming began. All these docks, orbital stations, satellites - this is all the Earth's orbit.

And what Musk makes "breakthrough" today is all from the same opera, no more, no less. But if you look closely, Musk is just making up for lost time, since the world cosmonautics, by and large, took three steps back with the collapse of the USSR.

If you continue to look back, you will find out that the Soviet government and the party set, in addition to launching a man into space, several other priority tasks. And there were such stages of space exploration, in comparison with which the flight to the moon looked like a kind of walk.

How do you like this: creation on the basis of the same R-7 of a four-stage (!!!) carrier, which would allow sending automatic stations to other planets. And this, let me remind you, was in 1960. Moreover, in September-October of the same year, it was planned to launch the station to Mars, for photographing its surface and transmitting images to Earth.

Yes, today it all looks like this ... How many vehicles have already flown, how many have worked, and the American "Curiosity" is generally still in service and transmits pictures from the surface of Mars in the mode of an rabid blogger.

And here's a beautiful picture that allows you to appreciate the Battle of Mars arena.


As you can see, the battle was fierce. And, if we face the truth, then the battle for Mars was lost by us with a bang. With a crash of crashing and not reaching Mars spacecraft.

It's surprising how much effort was expended in those days, isn't it?

All this could serve as an illustration to the well-known work of I.V. Stalin's "Dizziness with success."

There were successes, that's a fact. But the fact is that Korolev was in a hurry. I was in a hurry to accomplish the impossible and to have time in my life for everything that was planned. Therefore, both Gagarin's flight and the flight to the Moon - all this for the General Designer was nothing more than steps on the way.

But Sergei Pavlovich considered the Flight to Mars to be the main act for himself. Precisely Flight, because according to Korolyov's thoughts, he was supposed to be manned.

That is why the program for the conquest of Mars looks like a series of attacks on the infographics. Failed for many reasons.

Can the Queen be condemned for this? No. Especially. That his fierce thirst for space exploration suited both the party and the government of the country. All these regular launches, timed to coincide with the next anniversary or the next congress / plenum - it was convenient and beautiful.

The fact is that Korolev did not at all consider the Moon as a priority, and even more so as the final of the "Great Race". The most important, the most important goal of his work, he considered a manned flight to Mars. Even Gagarin's triumph was seen as a stepping stone to a grandiose, exciting flight to the Red Planet.

So today it seems ridiculous to me to talk about a “lost race by the moon”. There was no her. Not at all. More precisely, this is how the Americans set themselves such a goal - to be the first on the moon. A worthy goal, and they ditched quite a lot of resources on it.

But if someone wants to check the opinion that they did not rush to the moon in the USSR, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with the numerous stories of Vladimir Evgrafovich Bugrov.


Bugrov, an engineer of the highest category, who passed all the stages of selection for a flight into space, was not allowed in for this very reason and was sent to work on the Buran project, where he became the leading designer.

But before that Vladimir Evgrafovich worked for such luminaries as M.K. Tikhomirov, G.Yu. Maximov and K.P. Feoktistov on the TMK project - a heavy interplanetary spacecraft, which was supposed to carry astronauts to Mars.

There were two whole projects, the minimum (Maksimova) and the maximum (Feoktistova). The minimum provided for the construction of a "union-like" ship for three people, but the maximum was a project of a completely different nature. A large composite ship was to be mounted in orbit.

In general, roughly what was created a few decades later under the name of the ISS ...

A huge ship, with a gym, a greenhouse, a closed system for recirculating everything ... In general, everything is in accordance with the fantasy of that time, which rapidly ceased to be fantasy.

That is why the Soviet stations went to Mars, that is why initiatives went from Korolyov to the government, and therefore they adopted one resolution after another. Well, nothing was done at that time without a resolution.

And a particularly interesting Resolution of the Council of Ministers was in June 1960. Yes, according to the same "lunar" rocket N-1, which should have put into orbit TMK blocks for assembly.


By the way, by 1964 the designers (including Bugrov) managed to reduce the weight of TMK “only” to 37 tons. That is, only 4 N-1 design launches - and the entire TMK is in orbit.

1964 became a Milestone on the Martian Path. Bugrov says (and I don't see why the words of such a specialist should be questioned) that by that time the project for preparing a manned flight to Mars was about half ready. And, despite the fact that the automatic stations did not fulfill the assigned tasks, the manned flight had a chance of success. Simply because human intervention could solve most of the problems that could not be resolved remotely at the time.

So, in principle, a few more years of normal and quiet work - and Soviet troops could be successfully landed on Mars under the control of cosmonauts from orbit. It is clear that the landing would be automatic. But nonetheless.

However, politics ruined everything. And in 1964, the Soviet party and government began to rush about in panic, shouting "We have been overtaken, zrada!" impressed by the implementation of the American lunar program.

And the expected "Catch up and overtake" the Americans on the moon followed. Another Soviet stupid stupidity, because Korolyov did not plan to deal with the lunar program closely at all.

So the Martian program was stopped "before the victory" on the Moon, and the lunar program began to be created in a hurry and accompanied by the "encouraging" cries of party apparatchiks at all levels.

In general, everything is as usual.

As a result, Korolev died in 1966, and it turned out exactly as it should: the Martian program, as expected, stalled, and it was not possible to overtake the United States either on the way to Mars or on the way to the Moon.

Indeed, the Politburo did not remember the proverb about two birds with one stone ...

Moreover, the epic with the N-1 rocket also ended in nothing. Nothing at all. More precisely, the enchanting explosions that the N-1 arranged, completely unwilling to fly.

Today, many home-grown "experts" loudly shout that if in a country like the USSR the N-1 did not fly, then the flights of "Saturn" for the Americans are a lie and a linden.

Well, such statements today do not surprise anyone. All that remains, in principle, is to shout loudly.

In fact, everything is natural. February 1969, July 1969, June 1971, November 1972. The H-1 was constantly exploding. Why?

Because the Saturn flew. Because the approach was completely different.

Collapsed plans for Soviet Mars and the Moon

Since we are talking about "Saturn", which, according to some of our "experts", flew only in the pavilions of Hollywood, it is worth noting a few points.

The first is who was the creator of "Saturn".


The rocket was created by Wernher von Braun. Who, according to the British chronicle, knew how to rockets and was a very gifted person. At least while in all countries the maximum that rocket designers were capable of was creating NURSs, which were successfully used in World War II by those countries that had rocket designers, then Wernher von Braun easily built and launched cruise missiles towards Britain V-1 and ballistic V-2.

And by the way, von Braun's rockets both flew and hit.


Therefore, the question that von Braun, who was ahead of everyone in the practical application of the works of Tsiolkovsky, Zander and Kibalchich, might not have built an excellent rocket, is not even worth it. In the ideal conditions in which it was placed in the United States, it could not help but build.

Moreover, the Americans had one thing that we really missed. This is a love of victories, not at any cost. And with the help of calculation.

The genius of calculations, George Edwin Miller, one of the leaders of the project, relied on the widest possible ground tests. How many dollars was spent on the creation of test benches, I do not know. But the fact is that "Saturn" was "flown" on Earth to the maximum.

Therefore, ALL launches of "Saturn" were recognized as successful. Although what is there to admit, it was in fact.

What, unfortunately, cannot be said about the N-1. Yes, the rocket was an epoch-making structure. But she was killed by an absolutely stupid desire to save. Alas, it is difficult to say why "the party ordered" to ensure the flight of the rocket without a set of proper tests, but that was exactly the case.

And this is not an author's notion, the most prominent figures in the space industry Boris Chertok and Yuri Mozzhorin in interviews and memoirs highlighted this topic in some detail. And both independently of each other said that ambition was ambition, instructions to the party were instructions, of course, as well as any anniversaries of the CPSU, to which the launches were timed, but there had to be tests.

And in the USSR at that time, the test was the start itself. And what, a rich country can afford ...

These are the Americans, they are fools, they built some kind of stands. Tests were carried out in hundreds, and even then the results were published in journals. But you can read everything about this from Mozzhorin.

Indeed, how could you learn from some Americans if we were the first in space?

Again, I would advise those who believe that it is not rockets, but a glorious historical past, that take the spacecraft into space to look at the picture. And understand that technology is doing it. And today - anyone's, but not Russian. Russian technology is to paint the carrier under Khokhloma and sprinkle it with holy water. Perhaps the angels will carry it into low orbit ...

But our patriotic conspiracy theorists constantly write that, according to the theory of probability, Saturns could not fly. Wernher von Braun did not know how to build rockets. And in general, there were no Saturns, and there were no engines, all documents were lost, all technologies were forgotten. After the collapse of the USSR, they began to buy everything from us, so they began to fly.

As a result, all the N-1 never flew, over and over again very efficiently spreading the launch complexes into the rubble with their explosions. As a result, it was abandoned, Glushko happily buried the rocket and returned to his poisonous engines based on dinitrogen tetroxide and asymmetric dimethylhydrazine, which we still cannot get rid of.


There was a man who, like a tank, went against the Queen and Mishin (the then minister), mercilessly criticizing them and proving the correctness of the Americans, who conducted thousands of tests on Earth. This was the blessed memory of Leonid Aleksandrovich Voskresensky, a colleague of the Queen and the smartest man.

Alas, Voskresensky lost the battle for the stands and tests. N-1 never flew, three times the launch pad had to be overhauled after an unsuccessful launch. "Mars" did not reach the planet. The lunar program was buried after the Martian one.

By the way, a little excursion into the TU era. Which, as they are trying to prove to us today, was correct, righteous and infallible.

During testing of the on-board equipment of the AMC project M-73 (Mars 4, 5, 6 and 7), it was found that the electronics were out of order. The failure was caused by 2T312 transistors produced by the Voronezh semiconductor device plant.

Someone very smart and prudent, suggested making transistor inputs to save precious metals not from gold, but from aluminum as an rationalization proposal. And without hesitation, this is exactly what transistors began to do. Not really thinking about the consequences.

It turned out that such bushings were oxidized after about six months. All the equipment of the interplanetary stations was practically stuffed with such transistors. The question was whether to start AMC without replacing transistors, which would take about six months, or not.

Representatives of the manufacturer, NPO named after Lavochkin, stood to death, proving the need to replace the transistors in front of Keldysh himself. However, under pressure from the leadership, the Central Committee, the Council of Ministers, it was decided to launch the spacecraft.

As a result, something there "Mars" measured before turning into scrap metal. But even an optimist will not turn his tongue even about relatively successful work.

What's the result. As a result, we did not get to the moon. And to Mars too. Maybe we would not have got there with stands and complexes for which Voskresensky fought. Anything can be.

But today, openly shabby projections and loud statements about the fact that we will be on Mars, we will build a lunar station, and so on are coming in a wave.

In those years, we had Korolev. Resurrection. Mishin. Isaev. Kuznetsov. Tikhonravov. Pobedonostsev. Chernyshov. Ryazansky. Pilyugin. Rauschenbach. Keldysh.

And, despite the presence of a simply stunning cohort of geniuses and stubborn workers in the name of our country, we lost. It's hard to say how realistic it is to implement what our populist marshals are talking about today. But the successes and merits of Russia in space exploration are more than modest. We can say that we have only one very narrow specialization left - orbital cabbies. Everything else, flights to other space bodies, work on them is the lot of more developed countries.

As practice has shown, the journey into space is a long and difficult, and most importantly, a lot of work. Which cannot be approached either from the position “We must go to the next congress” or “we were the first, therefore we will succeed”.

Of course, I would like Russia’s place in space to be there, in the first roles and frontiers. But for this, in addition to money and resources, people are needed who can dispose of them at least reasonably.

But for some reason, there are a lot of doubts about this.
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  1. Clear
    Clear April 2 2021 18: 09
    +18
    ... the place of Russia in space was there, in the first roles and frontiers.
    But for some reason, there are a lot of doubts about this.

    A woman of questionable behavior was sitting on the beach.
    Soon a crowd of doubters gathered around her. winked
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 2 2021 19: 01
      +3
      winked And we will not approach them.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder April 2 2021 19: 17
        +1
        And we will not approach them.
        we are smart, we will bypass them !? laughing
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 2 2021 19: 29
      +10
      Quote: Clear
      A woman of questionable behavior was sitting on the beach.
      Soon a crowd of doubters gathered around her.

      On the beach, a topless woman was lying on her back with her eyes closed. A cow passed by and touched her udder.
      - Boys! But not all at once, ”the woman exhaled without opening her eyes.
  2. Alien From
    Alien From April 2 2021 18: 12
    +3
    April 12 is the day of Cosmonautics! Yura-NASH!
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 2 2021 21: 00
      +21
      Quote: Alien From
      April 12 is the day of Cosmonautics! Yura-NASH!

      It should be noted that Yura-SOVIET and nothing else!
      1. Alien From
        Alien From April 2 2021 21: 10
        +5
        Unconditionally hi
  3. Svarog
    Svarog April 2 2021 18: 17
    +15
    In those years, we had Korolev. Resurrection. Mishin. Isaev. Kuznetsov. Tikhonravov. Pobedonostsev. Chernyshov. Ryazansky. Pilyugin. Rauschenbach. Keldysh.

    But now it's Rogozin! ..
    Of course, I would like Russia’s place in space to be there, in the first roles and frontiers. But for this, in addition to money and resources, people are needed who can dispose of them at least reasonably.

    We need a goal - to be the first .. and now the goals are different, as if to acquire a house in England .. but to raise children in the same place .. well, at worst in Barvikha .. to build up .. but to teach children in England anyway ..
    1. Earthwalker
      Earthwalker April 2 2021 21: 11
      +10
      And Rogozin's collection of songs on the Roscosmos website ... recourse
    2. Cosm22
      Cosm22 April 2 2021 21: 27
      +21
      Well, those goals are clear. This is sacred.
      But what prevents at least designating such goals in space? If you still can't do anything?
      After all, you start to raise the history of shuffling and throwing - you are amazed.
      We are flying to the moon (in a manned version), then we are not flying ...
      Either we focus on the heavy Don, then the super heavy Yenisei ... Or even the fifth Angara with a hydrogen stage.
      Either we fly to the moon with a single launch, then with a four launch ...
      We make superheavy from kerosene stove based on Soyuz-5, then no! We'll go the other way! We need new technologies, we need reusability, give me methane! Then - bam! Rogozin suddenly started talking about the fifth Union again. Talk about Cupid died down.
      Now we do the Eagle-Federation in the lunar version, then in the version for the ISS. Then suddenly it turns out - both options are at work! True, apart from plastic models, nothing is shown to the venerable public.
      What normal person will not go away from such a leapfrog?
      1. Klingon
        Klingon April 2 2021 21: 59
        +13
        And in reality it is as you painted! the next statements-gluttony of the trampoline Skomorokh do not cause anything but irritation. And also these gloating, swaggering "here Musk won't succeed, here again the rocket was banged, the ITP won't fly" - it's disgusting to listen to because you understand - it will work and it will fly. Because, unlike the Skomorokh, Musk does not flutter his tongue, but works in the chosen direction. And Skomorokh has no definite directions either, then here and there, then in both directions at once, like an electron of some kind wassat
        it's all really sad
      2. ont65
        ont65 April 3 2021 11: 07
        -12%
        The goals are set by long-term programs for the development of the industry and funds are allocated by the government for them. Alas, Rogozin does not have the capabilities and authority of the Korolev, and when he has to run into deadlines, underfunding, or even worse, and different plans arise B. We must pay tribute to this man, he does not give up and does not be careful, further, pulls everything that seems interesting to him. And even if now is the time for managers, there is no other and will not be, it will somehow put everything in its place, but then!
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 April 3 2021 09: 16
      +7
      but now the goals are different, as if to acquire a house in England

      Yes, it really does not work to build normal capitalism, bureaucrats, as they receive funds for the construction of anything, they immediately lose their minds in front of money and think about how to steal and dump everything. Personal wealth is more important than public goods.
  4. Sling cutter
    Sling cutter April 2 2021 18: 18
    +22
    Article is one year. And the accents are correctly placed and the huge role of the USSR
    perfectly spelled out.
    And for me personally, I understand the resentment that we have lost leadership in astronautics,
    I will only note that we, like all the former ones, are fragments of that Great Empire and space over the past 30 years has definitely not been a priority, like all the others
    knowledge-intensive industries.
    To the author for a great job +!
    1. Alien From
      Alien From April 2 2021 18: 45
      +6
      I completely agree with you! The article is a definite plus from me. Sorry for our Great designers, sorry, pissed away. (
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 2 2021 19: 33
        +10
        And I am offended that talented people who put health, knowledge and life on the altar of space exploration have been thrown into oblivion by various managers from Roscosmos.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 April 2 2021 21: 49
          +10
          Roscosmos managers may forget.
          But we remember ...
          We remember the names of Korolev, Chelomey, Glushko, Yangel ...
          Without these people, Russia would not have been on the list of today's space launches at all.
          For all these launches are based only on their legacy.
          1. ALEX_SHTURMAN
            ALEX_SHTURMAN April 3 2021 07: 17
            +3
            After reading the book by Alexei Arkhipovich "Time of the First", Glushko was not a good person at all, that he wrote about the Queen and constantly reported, it was because of him that Korolyov went to prison and how they mocked him there.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 2 2021 20: 59
        +9
        Quote: Alien From
        I completely agree with you! The article is a definite plus from me. Sorry for our Great designers, sorry, pissed away. (

        Exactly so, pumped, but as needed, following the turbopatriots' conjuncture, their names are raised on the shield by the powers that be, they say, look "Imperials" we are for you, only now it seems to me that Korolev would shoot ragozin from the award. good
        1. Alien From
          Alien From April 2 2021 21: 07
          +7
          Korolev and Rogozin are like an elephant and a pug. IMHO of course.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 2 2021 21: 10
            +8
            Quote: Alien From
            Korolev and Rogozin are like an elephant and a pug. IMHO of course.

            If I now make a correct comparison between Genius and .... I will definitely be forgotten.
            1. Alien From
              Alien From April 2 2021 21: 13
              +4
              No need) bath day-Thursday good
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter April 2 2021 21: 17
                +6
                Quote: Alien From
                No need) bath day-Thursday

                I agree, but they can be sent to the lip wink drinks
  5. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP April 2 2021 18: 20
    +2
    Today any flights to Mars are akin to the pyramid of Cheops. Very expensive, very cool, everyone is jealous, but essentially pure phalometry.

    There is absolutely nothing there that is so valuable that it would be advisable to take it to Earth.

    Is that a drop dead reality show.
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 April 3 2021 09: 23
      +5
      Very expensive, very cool, everyone is jealous, but essentially pure phalometry

      Do you propose to devote your life to growing potatoes?
      There is absolutely nothing so valuable there

      First of all, scientific data are valuable, devices collect data.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP April 3 2021 11: 37
        +2
        Scientific data, in and of themselves, are of absolutely no value other than satisfying curiosity.

        But to satisfy curiosity, flights to Mars are somewhat expensive.


        As for the potatoes, we already have enough of them. But there is an obvious shortage of affordable housing, high-tech medicine and a good pension system. Maybe first, figure it out?
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 April 3 2021 11: 58
          +4
          to satisfy curiosity, flights to Mars are somewhat expensive

          For developed countries, flights to Mars are not expensive.
          But there is an obvious shortage of affordable housing, high-tech medicine and a good pension system. Maybe first, figure it out?

          You can't argue with such problems as space. They don't even know how to do it in rainstorms.

          It is believed that the growing power with the remnants of Soviet space distracts the population from the process of exporting raw materials and money.
          1. Narak-zempo
            Narak-zempo April 3 2021 15: 52
            0
            Quote: nickname7
            You can't argue with such problems as space. They don't even know how to do it in rainstorms

            Get out! Photo from Ukraine !!! 111
          2. lazy
            lazy April 3 2021 16: 25
            0
            "of course there is paradise, of course there is hell"
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo April 3 2021 15: 45
      +2
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Today any flights to Mars are akin to the pyramid of Cheops. Very expensive, very cool, everyone is jealous, but essentially pure phalometry

      Namely, they very accurately noted that they are akin.
      But, if you look at it, the construction of the pyramids turned out to be a breakthrough project for its time, a run-in of technologies that allowed Egypt to remain a great civilization for millennia.
      Naturally, these are not technologies of stone processing, which were utterly primitive, but social technologies associated with the mobilization and organization of management of huge masses of people, political technologies associated with the final formation of a centralized state.
      In fact, it was a response to natural challenges that threatened the existence of Ancient Egypt. The answer given blindly, proceeding from the religious and mythological picture of the world, and only accidentally proved to be successful - in its side effect.
      But we now have a scientific picture of the world and planning experience gained in the XX century, so that we are able to give adequate answers, which will have positive not only side effects.
      Here are just this experience - both ancient Egyptian and recent, says that a breakthrough requires political will to act contrary to natural tendencies ("the markets will decide"), to make investments with a payback period of tens and hundreds of years, and sometimes even stranded in the economic sense. but without which simple survival is in question.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP April 3 2021 16: 43
        0
        I'm not sure that ordinary citizens need such breakthroughs. We, the taxpayers, will pay for this.
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo April 3 2021 17: 32
          0
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          I'm not sure that ordinary citizens need such breakthroughs. We, the taxpayers, will pay for this.

          Pay with what?
          Economic recovery?
          Thousands of non-buy and sell jobs?
          The emergence of a coherent goal towards which the whole society is moving?
          And it is a delusion that the state takes money from taxes, yes. It is free to create or destroy them, as long as real resources and productive forces allow.
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP April 4 2021 12: 29
            -1
            Hmm. You take resources and instead of building a hospital, a mine or an electronics plant, you build an industry that does not produce any consumer goods. Such "jobs" do not create anything, like any security guards, policemen and other officials. But resources are consumed.

            The level of my or your life will increase only if we produce more goods that we directly consume (or the means of production of such goods) ourselves or those goods that are bought in other countries and sold to us again in exchange for consumer goods.

            And we will pay with the fact that the vat will rise again, other levies will rise, they will come up with new ones. As has been happening for the last 10-15 years.
            1. Narak-zempo
              Narak-zempo April 4 2021 12: 46
              +1
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              Hmm. You take resources and instead of building a hospital, a mine or an electronics plant, you build an industry that does not produce any consumer goods. Such "jobs" do not create anything, like any security guards, policemen and other officials. But resources are consumed.

              The level of my or your life will increase only if we produce more goods that we directly consume (or the means of production of such goods) ourselves or those goods that are bought in other countries and sold to us again in exchange for consumer goods.

              In today's economy, a significant proportion of consumer goods produced will never be bought.
              In addition, many products are manufactured with deliberately limited consumer value and a shorter life cycle.
              We create more rational non-market mechanisms for the distribution of consumer goods, which allows us to reduce the consumption of resources for consumption (which in itself is a huge breakthrough), we give other guidelines for life success than material consumption (we also really need to do something about this before we have eaten all resource base).
              And yes, real space exploration is possible with the unification of the planet's productive forces, and this also removes the need for such mega-cost structures as modern armed forces.
              1. Sancho_SP
                Sancho_SP April 4 2021 13: 27
                0
                No offense, but what you say, even thesis, resembles a mixture of Schicklgruber's fairy tales with a C in economics in the first year ...

                To build a pyramid in order to mobilize and build a new pyramid, even more, while existing on a leftover principle, while enjoying the fact of being involved in the construction of the pyramid ... well, no, without me.
                1. Narak-zempo
                  Narak-zempo April 4 2021 13: 35
                  0
                  Quote: Sancho_SP
                  Build a pyramid in order to mobilize and build a new pyramid, even more, while existing on a leftover principle, while enjoying the fact of participation in the construction of the pyramid

                  Isn't that what everyone has been doing all their lives and so? Well, those who are not busy fighting to just live one more day.
                  Only each builds his own little pyramid, which will disappear with him.
                  And no "In 4 years there will be a garden city".
                  Not boring?
                  After all, a person needs a finite amount of consumer goods, and the desire for something greater must be somehow constructively sublimated.
                  1. Sancho_SP
                    Sancho_SP April 4 2021 14: 46
                    0
                    I was not at all outraged by your ideas and desires, but by the extrapolation of these ideas to all.

                    The pyramid is needed by the Pharaoh, to whom it belongs and where he will be buried. Maybe even the nobility, the High Priest and several dozen traders who earn or steal from the supply of the construction site. They, too, have nothing more to want.

                    And an ordinary slave, of whom thousands have perished there, would have been much nicer to have his own shack in the wilderness. And the citizens, from whom the army collected taxes, would also be more pleasant to give a dozen baskets of grain less and have an extra goat (or a pig, or who did they keep there?).

                    Therefore, rockets, pyramids, BAMs are all for health, but not at my personal expense.
                    1. Narak-zempo
                      Narak-zempo April 4 2021 15: 32
                      0
                      Quote: Sancho_SP
                      an ordinary slave, of which thousands have perished there

                      You would read something fresher than a school textbook.
                      1. Sancho_SP
                        Sancho_SP April 4 2021 15: 58
                        0
                        That is, there was no forced labor in the construction of the pyramids in Egypt? Did not know.
                      2. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo April 4 2021 16: 00
                        0
                        Quote: Sancho_SP
                        That is, there was no forced labor in the construction of the pyramids in Egypt? Did not know.

                        Did not have.
                        Hard work, but quite prestigious compared to the same peasants.
                        And definitely guaranteed a good place in the afterlife, which mattered laughing
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin April 2 2021 18: 22
    +6
    A bitter article, of course, very unpleasant, but objective and fair. Now we have roaming, jokes about trampolines and photo toads on Mars. Pumping money into an unsuccessful, unpromising Angara, plans for the moon, repeating the early successes of the lunar AMS of the USSR and stuff like that.
    What inspires is the creation of Soyuz-5 and the agreement with the PRC on the Moon.
    1. Cosm22
      Cosm22 April 2 2021 20: 41
      +11
      I have big doubts about the fifth Union.
      And not that Russia, in principle, is capable of doing it. Perhaps he will. The question is - why?
      Of course, a quite logical answer suggests itself: to close the gap between the weakling of the second Union and the powerful fifth Angara.
      But if you think about it - what will it give?
      What will Zenith's reincarnation give?
      Yes, at one time Zenith was good. Perhaps this is the best product (despite the existing accidents), along with the royal "seven" from what the USSR was able to do at all. Zenith suited both us and the foreigners with everything - the mass of PN, the price, the versatility of the launch site, etc.
      Everyone was good. In my time.
      This time has passed. Imagine that Zenith flew again (or Soyuz-5, it doesn't matter). Some of the internal needs (alas, rather scanty), he will undoubtedly block. But nothing more. He will not enter the international market. In the class of the fifth Union, there will not be even two dozen commercial inquiries per year at the GPO. Where to meddle? Arianespace with Ariane 5 (6) reigns here. Plus Vulkan with New Glenn is on the way. And there is every reason to believe that their appearance on the stage will take place much earlier than Soyuz-5. Plus, India and China are already breathing in the back of the head in this niche. Musk's "nine" is generally out of the question, it is out of competition, and Musk can, if necessary, afford the luxury of flying underload without any damage to himself.
      But the main thing is not even that. Soyuz-5 will be too expensive by today's standards. For this is a disposable item. With a decent price of an engine that will be lost immediately.
      It would be much more promising to invest as much as possible in Amur-LNG with a reusable first stage. Yes, we would have lost a little in PN. But they would have won in the development of technologies, at last they would have mastered the development and production of new engines, and not only would have continued the endless modernization of the Glushko kerosene stoves. And there you see - and a tiny piece of the international market could have been bitten off, what the hell is not kidding?
      As for some alleged treaty with China ... All this is nonsense.
      First, not a treaty, but a memorandum. Those. China, at our request, signed a piece of paper that meant nothing to it. Which does not oblige him to anything.
      Second, what can Russia really offer China today in the lunar program? If he is already a hundred steps ahead in this area? Yes, China can spy on something for itself in the designs of, say, gateways, take what is needed from there, so as not to rack their brains and save time. Simply put, communicate if necessary. But the game will never be on an equal footing.
      The players' weight classes are not the same.
      1. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin April 3 2021 09: 55
        -3
        Well, a hundred steps are somewhat exaggerated. Questions can be solved by C5, light from private traders and heavy on the basis of C5, so I see it.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 2 2021 23: 25
      -11%
      "Pumping money into an unsuccessful, unpromising Angara" Why is it unsuccessful and why is it unpromising - if it was first of all created for the military and state needs to remove the payload, as well as as a replacement for the outdated Proton, serial production and further modernization will reduce the cost of production a new rocket and launch, respectively.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 April 3 2021 00: 44
        +7
        I am already tired of giving arguments from which it follows that Angara is yesterday. Therefore, I will not repeat myself. I’ll ask some questions.
        Can you give the volume of state needs? List of government orders for the Angara? Or is it all for the catchphrase? So far, nothing of the kind has been officially announced. All pre-orders were passed only at the request of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation within the framework of LCI.
        What do you mean by "batch production"? After what figure can the series be classified? 100 items per year? fifty?
        I will disappoint. There will not be even a dozen of them in the coming years, together with the orders of the Ministry of Defense.
        As for the launches, Musk sells them. Russia sells the entire launch vehicle. For the product burns out irrevocably in the first and last flight for it.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 3 2021 15: 22
          -4
          Since the rocket is modular, the first disposable stages can be replaced with reusable ones - both in Russia they will be worked out and before the Angara, the procession of modernization will come. And mass production will be for the same Sphere space system, which will be deployed in the coming years, and this is in addition to the military and all other launches, as well as launches of manned spacecraft, and if in the future, in the future, mini shuttles will also do it for their launches. use the Hangar - the one that "What do you mean by" batch production "? After what figure can you classify a series? 100 items per year? 50?
          I will disappoint. There will not be even a dozen of them in the coming years, together with the orders of the Ministry of Defense. "You write nonsense and again add Mask with his Falcon 9 - since I did not say anything about commercial launches, but I speak about the needs of the military and government agencies inside the country.
      2. Victor Tsenin
        Victor Tsenin April 3 2021 10: 02
        -2
        But, unfortunately, from all over. An expensive, ugly, ineffective construct that lobbyists need.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 3 2021 15: 40
          -4
          "An expensive, ugly, ineffective construct that lobbyists want." - BLAH BLAH BLAH
          According to the updated data, the constellation of the Russian system "Sphere" by 2030 should include 638 spacecraft, of which 334 communication satellites, 249 remote sensing devices of the Earth, 55 navigation satellites. Roscosmos calculated that within 10 years it would be necessary to launch 88 medium missiles "Soyuz-2.1b", 36 light missiles "Angara-1.2" and 24 heavy missiles "Angara-A5".
          1. Victor Tsenin
            Victor Tsenin April 4 2021 21: 25
            0
            What exactly did you want to say, without blah blah?) Hangara, as far as we know, is expensive, technically experts do not approve of it. Already done, it is clear that they will not abandon and the Khrunichev center will be preserved. But efforts, I hope, on the C-5 will also be on commercial light carriers, and of course superheavy for deep space (you give a joint base on the moon)
  • Reviews
    Reviews April 2 2021 18: 25
    +8
    "Von Braun is the author of V-1" ... Hmm.
  • Mouse
    Mouse April 2 2021 18: 26
    +6
    It's simple ... sleepwalkers against ...
    1. Alien From
      Alien From April 2 2021 18: 46
      +3
      And I am for laughing
      1. Mouse
        Mouse April 2 2021 18: 53
        +19
        hi
        For the lunatics or against them?
        - Dad, what's next from Berdichev, Luna or Zhitomir!
        - Sema, don't fool mine! Come to the window. Do you see the moon?
        - I see.
        - And Zhitomir? recourse
        1. Alien From
          Alien From April 2 2021 20: 06
          +3
          For the lunatics) Tsiolkovsky hi
    2. bistrov.
      bistrov. April 4 2021 11: 04
      0
      Quote: Mouse
      sleepwalkers against ...

      "selenites", this is called "selenites" ....
  • Avior
    Avior April 2 2021 18: 54
    +4
    Good article. Sober.
    Plus, when we say the roles of Brown, we must not forget
    The German A-4 ballistic missile, launched in 1942, became the first vehicle to reach space altitude at the highest point of the suborbital flight path.

    In addition, take into account that the first liquid-propellant rocket was the Goddard rocket, which he launched back in 1926.
    "The first flight of a rocket using liquid fuel took place yesterday at Aunt Effie's farm."
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze April 2 2021 19: 51
      +4
      reaching space altitude at the highest point of the suborbital trajectory


      And in fact, almost hypersonic ... if my memory serves me, somewhere 4800 reached ...
  • nedgen
    nedgen April 2 2021 18: 59
    -5
    The article is excellent, only about flights to the moon, the author himself said that
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 3 2021 05: 32
      -3
      Whether he sat down or not, our means of tracking could not and did not determine this at that time. But the fact of the approach was recorded.
      The fact of the arrival of what has been recorded? A ship or an assault rifle with a corner reflector? Is the fact of departure of at least something recorded?
      1. vadim dok
        vadim dok April 3 2021 15: 23
        +1
        And you did not know, or have forgotten that the Americans had 6 (SIX) manned expeditions with landing on the Moon! Of course, all of them were filmed, in your opinion, in Hollywood! And the Earth is flat, I saw it on TV several times.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 3 2021 16: 41
          -1
          Quote: vadim dok
          Americans had 6 (SIX)

          And Star Wars was removed as much as 9, so what?
          Quote: vadim dok
          And the Earth is flat, I myself saw it on TV several times.
          Flight evidence is disputed and rather successful. When practically every elements of ship structures and stages of an operation are on the verge of the then technical capabilities, then all together raises very strong doubts, not only in SIX successful flights, in one flight there are strong doubts.

          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Whether he sat down or not, our means of tracking could not and did not determine this at that time. But the fact of the approach was recorded.
          Another FAILURE of landing on the Moon.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 April 2 2021 19: 12
    +11
    Another Soviet stupid nonsense, because Korolyov did not plan to deal with the lunar program closely at all.


    Eh ... F is a journalist. The lunar program of the USSR was. Lunar module in Orevo. Two ships. Both sit down. One empty (to return). Another manned. After landing on the moon, the cosmonaut moves on Lunokhod-2 (see the photo, there are special attachments welded, unlike the first one) to the second spacecraft. Shooting, flag, etc. And flies away on it. The probability of returning (even on a double) is about 30%. By the way, AP Leonov was supposed to fly. But the leaders of the USSR are not even diots. Nobody began to send people to certain death. And they didn't want to show off.
    Well, Mars. Everything went badly there. Death of the Queen, Mishin did not pull. Well, they realized that the Americans were not able to get there. And everything died out. And with them and with us. They did not grow up then to the manned Mars.

    And in 1964, the Soviet party and government began to rush about in panic, shouting "We have been overtaken, zrada!" impressed by the implementation of the American lunar program


    What kind of drug causes such fierce fantasies?

  • Brancodd
    Brancodd April 2 2021 19: 13
    -1
    Everything else, flights to other comic bodies, work on them is the lot of more developed countries.

    The distinguished author may make such statements solely on his own behalf. For example, "I am the undersigned Roman Skomorokhov, I consider my fellow journalists from other countries more developed than me ..." Approximately so. And for me, please do not ... And yes, that you are all about Mars. Maybe to confirm your idea, consider the completed expeditions to Venus. For some reason there "oxidized contacts" did not interfere. Or, in this case, the very pathos of "chronic losers" and "rational Americans" is somehow not confirmed ... Another hysteria ...
    1. Cheerock
      Cheerock April 2 2021 21: 28
      +7
      Because the atmosphere of open space is full of an oxidizer for oxidizing contacts, but on Venus with an atmosphere of sulfuric acid - no)))
    2. Sarboz
      Sarboz April 3 2021 01: 12
      +1
      Quote: Brancodd
      Like that. And for me, please don't ...

      Quite right. I am ready to subscribe to your every word.

      Quote: Brancodd
      Or, in this case, the very pathos of "chronic losers" and "rational Americans" is somehow not confirmed ... Another hysteria ...

      I would ask Roman Skomorokhov one more question. What do you think, why the seven Challenger crew members gave their lives in 1986?
      As practice has shown, the journey into space is a long and difficult, and most importantly, a lot of work. Which cannot be approached from any position "We must go to the next congress"Or "We were the first, because we will succeed".
      (Roman Skomorokhov)
    3. nickname7
      nickname7 April 3 2021 09: 57
      +5
      The author wrote everything correctly

      view the completed expeditions to Venus


      It was, but in the past, successes need to be updated periodically, otherwise they go into the realm of legends.

      "chronic losers" and "rational Americans" are somehow not confirmed


      Curiosity has been traveling across Mars for 9 years, and another rover has recently landed. Roscosmos has nothing like this, except for the achievement of Rogozin's higher salary than the director of NASA.



      In the Atacama Desert, several super-large telescopes with adaptive optics are under construction, and the Russian telescope BTA, the mirror deteriorates, they tried to fix it, the technologies were lost, the oligarch could buy a mirror from the Germans, they had too much, but the oligarchs are not interested in the Russian Federation, they live in other countries. It's sad in the RF with high technologies, unless you suggest praying for old photos.

      European Extremely Large Telescope (under construction)
      mirror with a diameter of 39,3

  • Pushkar
    Pushkar April 2 2021 19: 26
    +5
    As long as Roskosmos is run by a right-wing populist journalist (remember the "anti-Caucasian" videos), and not a man of business and science, and at least a patron of embezzlers, nothing will come out in space.
    1. Brancodd
      Brancodd April 2 2021 19: 36
      -6
      You may not succeed ...
  • Intruder
    Intruder April 2 2021 19: 34
    +4
    But if someone wants to check the opinion that the USSR did not rush to the moon
    But what is there to believe, even the equipment was built, and now these are already well-known systems, surprisingly:
    Sergey Korolev originally promoted the concept of the Soyuz ABV (7K-9K-11K) lunar complex (also known as L1), in which the Soyuz 7K two-seater spacecraft should meet other components (9K and 11K) in low-Earth orbit to organize a flight to The moon. A vehicle whose components are delivered using the proven R-7 missile ...

    And by the way, von Braun's rockets both flew and hit.
    He was able to make a lot in Germany, even such devices, the first on the planet:

    1. "V-2" is the first object in history to perform a suborbital space flight, reaching an altitude of 188 km during vertical launch. This happened in 1944;
    2. One of the most revolutionary technological solutions was the automatic guidance system, since 1945 - an autonomous ballistic computer with the possibility of remote adjustment in flight.
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 2 2021 20: 01
    -10%
    Author:
    Roman Skomorokhov
    Therefore, ALL launches of "Saturn" were recognized as successful. Although what is there to admit, it was in fact.

    With the same success, you can have a "Formula 1" car made in your garage, instead of a turbocharged engine with a capacity of up to 850 hp. install an engine from our VAZ with a capacity of about a hundred hp. and ride on the circuit in front of the public, thereby "proving" that you are already working at the level of the best stables in the world.
    Where is the evidence that the Saturn V engine was of the declared power, and all the stages of the ship were filled with fuel to the eyeballs and it was with this load that the rocket was launched?
    In general, the very fact that the Americans have not been able to create anything like Saturn V for fifty years now suggests that six landings on the Moon and a return flight to Earth could hardly have taken place at all.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 2 2021 23: 40
      0
      In general, the very fact that the Americans have not been able to create anything like Saturn V for fifty years now suggests that it says that you are writing nonsense the first stage of the super-heavy SLS, which is almost in no way inferior to Saturn 5 sent to the assembly on the flight
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 3 2021 17: 19
        -2
        Quote: Vadim237
        In general, the very fact that the Americans have not been able to create anything like Saturn V for fifty years now suggests that it says that you are writing nonsense the first stage of the super-heavy SLS, which is almost in no way inferior to Saturn 5 sent to the assembly on the flight

        I don't know why you are misleading people, but keep in mind that this stage has not yet brought out the full load:
        The first unmanned launch with the Artemis-1 mission is scheduled no earlier than November 2021 years [2], and the first manned "Artemis-2" - in 2023 [3].

        System in basic version will be able to withdraw 95 tons of cargo to the reference orbit [4]. Further development of the design of the launch vehicle should provide an increase in carrying capacity up to 130 tons [5]. It is assumed that at the time of the first launch of the SLS LV will become the most powerful in operation..

        If you are not aware, then fifty years ago Saturn-V already "put" 120-130 tons into low-earth orbit, and yours only plans to put 95 tons at the end of this year. We are already familiar with Musk - the last four accidents in four months are of course a "great" result, so your speculations on "supposed" may be misleading, but I think we must first wait for at least one real start.
        But then you will tell everyone that this is the most powerful rocket and overtook Saturn-V, but for now this is just your propaganda.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 4 2021 18: 17
          -1
          I replied to this opus - "The very fact that the Americans have not been able to create anything like Saturn V for fifty years." As you can see, they created it and don't worry - she will display everything that was required of her according to those assignments.
          "We are already familiar with Musk - the last four accidents in four months are of course a" great "result, so your speculations on" supposed "may be misleading, but I think we must first wait for at least one real start." Starship had four launches, all tested within the framework of bench R&D, the very fact that the test benches fly says a lot and the work continues - we are waiting for the next flight of SN 15. So there is no need to flood nonsense about some kind of propaganda.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 4 2021 18: 37
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            As you can see, they created it and don't worry - she will display everything that was required of her according to those assignments.

            "Do not say gop until you jumped over" - in words they are masters, but the fact that for fifty years nothing like Saturn - 5 has taken off, and your promises that only mercy for the poor on the porch will take off.
            Quote: Vadim237
            the very fact that the test benches fly says a lot and the work continues

            We already went through this, even Musk sold tickets to the moon:
            Earlier, in 2017, SpaceX even announced that two future space tourists had made a deposit for traveling to the moon on this rocket in a manned version of the Dragon spacecraft. Then the flight was already planned for 2018. This is a perfectly logical scenario, but even it could not have been carried out: the first launch of the manned Dragon is planned only for April 2019.
            .... The new carrier SpaceX, according to the company, will surpass the "Saturn-5" - the most powerful of all rockets ever created by man - in length: 118 meters versus 111. Elon Musk is pinning hopes on the BFR that Napoleon would have envied ... The new rocket will consist of a reusable upper stage and a head (55 m long) with nose wings and a tail unit for landing in the atmosphere. The flight to the Earth will take place in a horizontal mode, but landing will be on the tail.

            In the bow of the rocket there is a room with a volume of 1000 m3 in which up to 100 people or 100 tons of cargo can be accommodated. The carrier is planned to be used for flight to other planets, and it may become an important link in the colonization of Mars. Earlier it was reported that the BFR will also be able to fly from London to New York in half an hour.
            .

            Now you have postponed this landmark event for seven years in the hope that everyone will forget past promises?
  • Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 April 2 2021 20: 24
    +6
    The idea of ​​organizing a lunar base first came to Konstantin Tsiolkovsky, but the implementation of ambitious plans began only in the 60s. Designer Sergei Korolev had his own views on the exploration of the moon, he insisted on the creation of a permanent lunar base. And in 1962 he instructed GSKB "Spetsmash", under the leadership of Vladimir Barmin, to develop a project for a lunar base.
    V. Barmin supervised the design of launch sites, from where all Soviet rockets were sent into space. His projects were notable for their reliability and simplicity: just such a station on the moon was supposed to be. The ambitious project was named "Zvezda" and in the documents of GSKB "Spetsmash" it was listed as "DLB" (Long-term lunar base).
    It should be noted that Zvezda is still considered the most serious satellite development project. According to some reports, the base on the moon could become an ideal site for the deployment of missile systems and tracking equipment, which could serve both civilian and military purposes.
    It seems to me that the author has departed from the truth, S.P. Korolev was a supporter of the lunar base.
    Still S.P. Korolev was a supporter of the construction of a lunar base.
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 April 2 2021 20: 27
    +7
    any exploration of the Cosmos with the help of an "external combustion engine" is just a repetition of the past. For Space, the steps resemble an airplane propeller. It reached its limit even during the Second World War. A rocket with a Nuclear engine is required. Only with its help is it possible to move to the next quality level.
    Who does not understand, I explain - a rocket is a can of beer. Where the can is the ship and the beer is the fuel. The capabilities of the ship are distributed approximately in this proportion. For an alien launch - where to get fuel for the return trip? Nuclear fuel is a NEW level! it is prohibitive range and the ability to maneuver, return, etc. ...... This is limited only by "international" restrictions on the use of nuclear energy. Question! - who likes limited people?
    1. Reader 2013
      Reader 2013 April 2 2021 21: 28
      +3
      It's a shame, of course, but it looks like there's really nothing to fly to Mars, let alone land, and then take off and return.
      We read good books in childhood, I was born in 1961, but it looks like it didn't work out))
    2. Reader 2013
      Reader 2013 April 2 2021 21: 31
      +3
      Quote: aybolyt678
      Nuclear fuel is a NEW level! it is prohibitive range and the ability to maneuver, return, etc. ...... This is limited only by "international" restrictions on the use of nuclear energy. Question! - who likes limited people?

      Who limits whom, there is simply no technology
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 April 2 2021 21: 45
        -4
        Quote: Citatelle 2013
        Who limits whom, there is simply no technology

        there is technology. Back in Soviet times, a project for a nuclear-powered aircraft was developed. But! alas, they are supposedly afraid of accidents. Although I think that the tops just stagnated .......
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 April 3 2021 10: 05
          +4
          there is technology. Back in Soviet times, a project for a nuclear-powered aircraft was developed.

          You also forgot to mention the cannon cannonball technology

          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 April 3 2021 10: 29
            -1
            Quote: nickname7
            You also forgot to mention the cannon cannonball technology

            you enlightened me! thank you touched smile
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 2 2021 22: 15
    +5
    Skomorokhov's first article with which I can agree in most aspects.
    They really loved beautiful dates and dashing impulses, they really lacked healthy, methodical pragmatism, in reality, the goals were not so far away and we all threw and rushed about .. all this is very sad and alas, there is no end to this to this day. We have buried a lot from our defense projects, we have buried a lot from space projects, we sold for a pittance what cost the country a high price. Alas, it is difficult to relate to our history without emotions and often obscene savory expressions, so epic at times we merged what we had gained by back-breaking labor ..
  • Brancodd
    Brancodd April 2 2021 23: 03
    -1
    Quote: Cosm22
    Arianespace with Ariane 5 (6) is running the ball here. Plus, India and China are already breathing down the back of the head in this niche. There is no question of the "nine" Mask at all, it is out of competition

    Arian 5/6 is a competitor to the Angara A5. But Arian 5 is only a competitor in terms of launch cost (140 million EUR), except for the "damn it and not flying" Arian 6. But "such an expensive Angara" even in the pre-production version (7 billion rubles) is cheaper than the "non-flying" Arian 6. The price of the serial Angara A5 should not exceed 5 billion rubles. This is about 2 times cheaper than the planned price of Ariane 6 with almost the same characteristics. (23 tonnes LEO). The first commercial contract for Angara has already been signed with the Koreans. The Ministry of Defense announced its readiness to order at least 10 launches of Angara A5 per year.
    The planned launch price for Soyuz 5 is no more than $ 50 million. Rather, the range is $ 40-50 million. Why can't it compete with the $ 9 million Falcon 62? Falcon 9 in the version with a return stage is just in the Soyuz 5 category - 17 t. LEO. And with a non-return step - 23 t. LEO - in the niche of the Angara A5. Soyuz 5 has one more purpose - modules of the first stage of "Yenisei".

    Mask:
    “Russia has excellent rocket technology and the best engine available. The reusable version of their new Angara rocket would be excellent. ”
    About SLS - "creating SLS - '100% tragedy' for the industry"
    "Apart from ours, Zenit is perhaps the next best."
  • Gunther
    Gunther April 2 2021 23: 38
    -9
    Some kind of crooked article, one-sided - the Moon, Mars ...
    And the fact that the USSR was the first on Venus, about the exploration of Venus, the author modestly kept silent, well, or simply does not know)))
    About Lohonaut on the Moon:
    everyone knows the performance characteristics of the "lunar module", knowledge of geometry will allow the Apollo people to compare the size of a lohonaut hanging on a ladder with its known size - we get a lohonaut's height of about 130 cm, that's all about the "lunar epic".
  • Free wind
    Free wind April 3 2021 00: 01
    +5
    For the first time I read about aluminum contacts. here it is a blatant lie. Copper, silver, gold yes, aluminum no. Solder the aluminum wire to the copper tracks on the board. I saw a tape recorder where the soldering was silver. The comet, if I'm not mistaken, is a tube one, and a group of resistances and capacitors was on the block, in short, the solder did not give in to the soldering iron. Damn it, a contactor for a tank starter with silver contacts. And to the Moon, Mars, the flight there has no practical value. Well, there is nothing for us to do there yet. It's like climbers, "I climbed a mountain, almost fell five times, three of my friends died, oh, what a fine fellow and brave you are, but why did you climb there? Well, I looked down from a height." Well, at least a climber often goes to hell for his money. For Musk, the guy is certainly outstanding, and I will be glad of his achievements, but nothing more.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 3 2021 00: 09
      +2
      Quote: Free Wind
      "Well, a climber, even though often for his own money, goes to hell. For the Mask, the guy is certainly outstanding, and I will rejoice at his achievements, but nothing more.

      We sing a song to the madness of the brave! .. ”© Maxim Gorky. And you can't do anything with Icarus.
      1. Free wind
        Free wind April 3 2021 00: 53
        +1
        He was like that, we put him on a barrel of gunpowder. Let it fly. Quote.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 3 2021 00: 58
          +2
          Quote: Free Wind
          He was like that, we put him on a barrel of gunpowder. Let it fly. Quote.

          Well, here is the cosmonaut of group 0, the second group 0.1 was presented ...
    2. region58
      region58 April 3 2021 02: 50
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      About aluminum contacts

      I came across somewhere (now I don't remember for sure) that as an experiment, two batches of samples were made (small, ten and a half each) with an aluminum jumper from the crystal to the leg (inside the transistor case). And that's all. Well, the fact that the transistors from the experimental batch were installed in the spacecraft ... it's even difficult to comment on this.
      Quote: Free Wind
      solder did not give in to the soldering iron

      And this is not soldering, this is welding. yes There is such a way of installation ...
    3. ccsr
      ccsr April 3 2021 17: 31
      +1
      Quote: Free Wind
      I saw a tape recorder where the soldering was silver.

      I also think that someone made a bad joke about aluminum soldering or just lied. As for silver, in the seventies, in our non-technical zone, we used kilometers of cable with silvered veins, of which some fighters managed to weave chains and jewelry for their friends, for which they were chased, of course, but not so much as to be held accountable for sabotage ...
  • AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship April 3 2021 01: 01
    -2
    Korolyov lived a little and was burned out from work. So what do we have now? Everything that Russia launches is modifications of the Vostok rocket, which Gagarin flew 60 years ago. Alas, there is nothing new. Only Musk ...
  • ont65
    ont65 April 3 2021 02: 03
    -4
    Idealism greatly interferes with work, and it was with this approach that the era of the USSR was especially noted. But without him there would be no country as we know it. The downside, what to do? Just do not complain about Glushko's poisonous missiles, it was they who allowed both the homeland to be defended and machine guns to be planted on the moon, leading the USSR to innovators in space exploration by methods hitherto unknown and by the Americans had not been achieved by that time. It was these methods that were later widely recognized and became the standard. So the USSR rules and loses nothing to anyone.
  • Runway
    Runway April 3 2021 05: 37
    -4
    Did the author write an epitaph or an indulgence?
  • ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN April 3 2021 07: 21
    +2
    The article is a bold plus! Unfortunately, nothing will change. Pseudo patriots will not hear anything from it, they will consider it as propaganda. And the fat bureaucrats will continue to hold on to the position with all their tentacles, not having the courage to leave it and write a statement for Inconsistency.
  • sergan m
    sergan m April 3 2021 07: 51
    0
    The author is absolutely superficially familiar with the material. To master four volumes of B. Chertok's memoirs is a daunting task. And four more volumes of N. Kamanin's diaries are absolutely fantastic.
    Author, Mishin has never been a minister.
    The fact that there were no ground tests for the H-1 is true. But the fact that the H-1 did not fly is not the reason for the lack of ground tests. Ground tests speed up the rocket development process as a whole. But they do not affect the outcome - whether the rocket will fly or not. There were no ground tests for the R-7 either, but the rocket flew, flies and will fly.
    And it was not Glushko who closed the work on N-1.
  • Illanatol
    Illanatol April 3 2021 08: 32
    -7
    What is the cost of a victory that he could not keep in his hands?
    Have the Americans been to the moon? Does it really matter? There is something in common between "was" and "was not" - both are not. The important thing is that the Yankees are now not on the Moon and in the next 20 years they will not be there, as, indeed, no one.
    All our space achievements are still in our possession. They are capable of launching satellites, as well as astronauts. And we will completely "pull" our own orbital station, if necessary. And manned flights to the Moon, Mars and so on are not needed. Since not we, not any other country is not capable of consolidating such success by creating a long-term base. The nose is not mature enough, the grapes are green.
    And in general, it is worth exploring other planets only after spacecraft with more advanced engines are created than liquid-propellant rocket engines (nuclear-ion, MHD, etc.).
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 3 2021 15: 25
      0
      "The important thing is that the Yankees are not on the moon now and in the next 20 years they will not be there" In the next 7 years they will definitely be.
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz April 3 2021 15: 56
    +1
    Ochen khoroshaya statia i pravilnie vivodi.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev April 3 2021 17: 28
    0
    Why was it necessary to waste money on stupidity?
  • ccsr
    ccsr April 3 2021 17: 34
    -2
    Quote: Vadim237
    They will definitely be in the next 7 years.

    Giving a tooth? And then Bush promised us a second landing on the moon after 2015, and somehow quickly merged. You are not yet the President of the United States - why such confidence? You probably still believe in the honesty of American propaganda - well, well ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 4 2021 18: 24
      -1
      Money for the lunar station has been allocated to offices by modules from the US UK EU Japan Orion spacecraft are in operation made of lunar spacesuits SLS rocket is being assembled and preparing to launch a landing module at the finish line and yes modules to the Moon will be sent with the help of Fallcon Heyvey - Bush promised a lot of things the truth did not go beyond words.
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol April 6 2021 14: 31
        -1
        The money has been allocated ... there is no need to continue further.
        Musk promised to send a million colonists to Mars in the near future ... believe me too?
        Well, if you fill it in, it's a full tank!
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK April 3 2021 17: 39
    -6
    Who got it back? It has long been known that the Americans were not on the moon! Even the fact the astronauts would have died from solar radiation!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 4 2021 18: 26
      -1
      This is all nonsense, including your "Fact" about the death of astronauts from solar and cosmic radiation.
      1. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
        VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK April 8 2021 01: 13
        -1
        Are you cuckoo or pretending? It's scientifically proven! You behave like a small child! And what did the minus players drink! The Americans themselves have long admitted that they have not been anywhere!
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim April 4 2021 02: 56
    -2
    Quote: Stroporez
    To the author for a great job +!

    Keep!
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky April 4 2021 12: 58
    -1
    Space exploration in the 60s was successfully promoted primarily by the efforts of two geniuses - Korolev and von Braun. There are no geniuses - space exploration has gone at a snail's pace, so far the highest achievements are robots on neighboring planets and walks of space and astronauts at the Mir Around the Earth station. Yes, that we have, that in the United States, space research is conducted by capable, efficient, maybe even talented designers in some place. But not geniuses.
  • Drugov
    Drugov April 4 2021 20: 39
    0
    Absolutely the entire spectrum of today's space missions is being solved by Russia's existing forces and capabilities. None of the sworn "partners" in the space technology market has anything fundamentally new. This whole race for kilograms and the cost of their withdrawal from the evil one, no one will tell you the truth about these parameters, and even the official payment according to the statement on the withdrawal of cargo into orbit is just a piece of paper. There are hundreds of companies on the stock exchange with fantastic capitalization, but at the same time deeply unprofitable and in fact not creating anything to drive a technological breakthrough. Entering this next race for dubious performance is deeply mistaken. You need to understand that all this bravura hype about reversible stages, super duper rockets, fancy rovers with helicopter-copters on board is the last century and has no economic justification. Yes, all sorts of India and others can blow their cheeks as much as they want, bragging about their "breakthrough achievements", but all this is cosmic dust in the eyes.
    If you listen to people who are directly related to space, then you can very quickly understand that designers, researchers and inventors have long understood the flawedness of the current race for performance, which the States and their many adepts are persistently trying to impose on us. By the way, this is reflected in the article when it speaks of a thoughtless approach to financing and strategic planning of astronautics. What conclusions can be drawn ???
    1. The most important thing is not to fold your legs, watching as competing combinators conquer outer space.
    2. To realize at last that specialized specialists should be in charge of such industries, and not “effective” managers close to the court.
    3. And only when the first two criteria are fulfilled, a full understanding will come that the current tactical and technical characteristics of spacecraft do not allow making a qualitative breakthrough in conquering space, which means that all existing opportunities and efforts must be directed to the implementation of solutions that allow to break out of the existing technological order.
    Simply put, whoever is the first to embody the concept of a different propulsion unit and significantly change the payload to fuel ratio in this device will make a real breakthrough in astronautics, and the current attempts are swarming around other people's achievements that are more than 50 years old.
  • Monar
    Monar April 5 2021 06: 01
    0
    Someone very smart and prudent, suggested making transistor inputs to save precious metals not from gold, but from aluminum as an rationalization proposal.
    What is this nonsense? I have never seen or even heard of gold. Gilding yes. In the military service, it was pretty often.
    And you can solder fig luminium without acid fluxes.
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov April 5 2021 10: 58
    0
    As you can see, the battle was fierce. And, if we face the truth, then the battle for Mars was lost by us with a bang. With a crash of crashing and not reaching Mars spacecraft.

    1. The battle for Venus, the United States lost with a bang, and the USSR won.
    2. Battle for the Moon - the USSR did at least the same thing as the USA using automatic weapons, with dozens of times lower costs and without risking human life. Investigation of other celestial bodies is carried out according to the Soviet scheme - by automatic devices.
    3. The battle for space manned stations - the United States lost miserably
    4. The battle for manned spacecraft - the United States lost miserably, their Space Shuttle was a failure both as a concept and as an implementation.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. April 5 2021 12: 08
      -1
      Quote: Kostadinov
      ... Battle for the Moon - the USSR did at least the same as the USA using automatic weapons, with dozens of times lower costs and without risk to human life.
      Think for yourself, how can you send people to the moon without having the experience of either starting from the moon or returning to Earth with a second cosmic speed? How can one enter the Earth's atmosphere (at the second cosmic speed) according to the "one-hole scheme" (without preliminary braking by the first entry), without destroying the descent vehicle and the crew from overload, while the cheerful American "astrolonauts" were in excellent health, as posed from the resort? How can you fly in "diapers", in an oxygen atmosphere, in a reduced pressure, having eaten on the camera before the flight of meat? How can you put people on a rocket, which was previously unsuccessfully tested, flying off with a bang all the launches on it in the years of maximum solar activity, along the "Kondratyuk route" (a loop in the most dangerous equatorial part of the Earth's radiation belts)?

      Now the "triumphants" of the Moon impress everyone with their ultra-reliable "Mars rovers", which, despising temperature drops and grandiose dust storms for long years, "rule" across Mars ... To the Moon, they are not destined to send a lunar rover. Do you believe in NASA's honesty? Me not.
  • Max PV
    Max PV April 8 2021 12: 17
    0
    So far, instead of space exploration, not only Russia, but humanity as a whole, is busy sucking on a new iPhone and satisfying the financial ambitions of the owners of young Swedish eco-fools and financing various Kunstkamera expatriates performing on stages at concerts, at stadiums during sports competitions , and from the tribunes of all kinds of parliaments. For the loot that was spent on it, you can already eat those same Martian apples, figuratively speaking.
  • Kir_ko_d
    Kir_ko_d April 13 2021 22: 46
    0
    What I will write now is usually not accepted to be publicly expressed, because it runs counter to the official version of the development of the Soviet rocket and space industry, although it is not a big secret for those who worked in this industry. Sergey Pavlovich Korolev was very jealous of those organizations that began to engage in rocket and space affairs after him. This applies primarily to Yangel's firm and especially to Chelomey's. Instead of joining his efforts with the efforts of these equally talented designers and scientists and their teams, to share some of the difficult problems, he intrigued, put sticks in the wheels, slowed down the implementation of the projects of these teams. With great difficulty, the UR-500 project (future "Proton"). The projects L-1 (manned flyby of the Moon) and "Almaz" (his successors have already tried here) have not been fully implemented. Apparently, those who oversaw and headed these works from the Central Committee of the party and government, obeying, agreeing and following the lead of the leaders of the renowned company (OKB-1 / TsKBEM / NPO Energia) apparently did not realize the scale of the tasks set. Almost all US aerospace companies took part in the implementation of the American manned mission to the moon program. One was the lead in the design and manufacture of the 1st stage, the other was in the 2nd and 3rd stages, another one was engaged in the command block, and someone was in charge of the lunar landing block, not counting those companies that created engines, a control system, telemetry, etc. That was a national project! They showed us, the pioneers of astronautics, how to work on such ambitious projects. And your dear veteran, Vladimir Evgrafovich Bugrov says that Korolev did not want to fly to the moon, but wanted to go to Mars immediately. And then why did they launch the first satellite, why did Gagarin and other cosmonauts fly, if they immediately went to Mars? Because the first satellites, the first cosmonauts, the first automatic interplanetary stations, including Martian ones and, of course, unmanned and manned flights to the Moon - these are steps so that people would once fly and set foot on Mars. I will never believe that Korolev is so I thought - without the Moon, but immediately to Mars. Yes, and the N-1 rocket had to be brought to mind, so there was no way to do without the Moon. So it turns out that there was a "moon race", dear Vladimir Evgrafovich, and unfortunately we lost it after all our numerous victories. And you, and Mishin, and Chertok, and Semyonov, and Afanasyev, and Ustinov, and Korolev. Or maybe it was then that our system and our country lost.
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  • Crabio
    Crabio 14 May 2021 20: 34
    0
    "Yes, the rocket was an epoch-making structure. But it was killed by an absolutely stupid desire for economy." (C)

    Saving in a country half of which was still in ruins in the early 60s is by no means an empty phrase.
  • dima314
    dima314 17 May 2021 10: 31
    -1
    Someone very smart and prudent, suggested making transistor inputs to save precious metals not from gold, but from aluminum as an rationalization proposal. And without hesitation, this is exactly what transistors began to do. Not really thinking about the consequences. - nonsense! How were they soldered luminescent? Copper at least! Silver-plated contacts were often, but here is luminous! If anyone fumbles around in electronics, judge. The article is left as I look
  • Jonny_Su
    Jonny_Su 30 May 2021 10: 21
    -2
    The last dash of Americans into space is associated with an independent government customer (NASA), which gradually began to privatize space - to attract private companies. And it was a breakthrough. Without this, there would be no Musk, and the Americans would still fly on the Soyuz to the ISS. We also have to go along this path, an independent customer accountable to the State Duma and the competition of space companies. The earlier the better.
    1. zenion
      zenion 9 June 2021 23: 55
      0
      If it was a breakout, then they ate something stale. One absolutely unaware, probably a cab, while the mare was gnawing on something and a bag, something lit her up and she whispered something to a colleague who usually sat in the cart a few words. The cabman hit himself in the forehead and hissed, as I did not think about it. I made a calculation on the sand, the mare put a stamp on the sand and it already became clear - to do it once to spit, or once and half more. Here again I read the word breakthrough, that the second rubber product was torn with vomit. And what will they protect what is in the spacesuit. In general, you may not come home!
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 31 May 2021 15: 13
    0
    Because the Saturn flew.

    He flew several times and has been gone for 45 years. This is worse than the N-1 - money was thrown dozens of times more and the rocket was not. Although the engines remained from H-1, nothing from Saturn-5.
    As a result, we did not get to the moon.

    Really missed? If automatic stations do not count, then the United States did not get to Mars either. Or is the rover valid but not the rover? By the way, the first soft landing on Mars also does not count?
    We can say that we have only one very narrow specialization left - orbital cabbies. Everything else, flights to other space bodies, work on them is the lot of more developed countries.

    And what about the battle for Venus? Despite the fact that Venus is much more difficult to study than Mars. Or is Venus not another cosmic body?
    I wonder where is the American long-term manned space station or is it the lot of only backward countries. The United States is not engaged in etim - it is below their dignity.
    And why such admiration hangs among the progressive public a simple space cabby like the Shuttle, and today Musk's cabby?
  • zenion
    zenion 9 June 2021 23: 44
    0
    Of course, the USSR lost with the landing on the moon. There were no such directors in the USSR who were able to launch an American rocket wherever you want, but it hits the moon. Even if a rocket is launched around the Pentagon, it will land on the moon. But in the USSR, this was not the case. There was some gray little one who flew to the moon, scooped up the soil of the moon with a baby pot and returned to the USSR. The trouble was in something else, pictures with cameras, which were supposed to photograph them, the impossibly radioactive radiation of the Sun shone everything except by holding it in his bosom. A small X-ray device for checking baggage at the Airports was made from normal photographic film, not normal. In order for her to shoot, a lead box with a wall thickness of 10-12 mm was needed. And in all the pictures they have Swedish equipment. But, as a famous scientist from 4-5 years old, everyone told me that I can make everything for everyone. He told them from all sides that the nuclear rays of the sun can be driven away from the camera with a broom. This is how they managed to bring pictures of the Moon from the studio. And the USSR was ashamed. How can you fool your people. You need at least three people, one waves a broom, the second shoves the image of the Moon at the moment when the photographer pressed the button, and the gate opened with a slight movement of the gloved hand, the gate closes. And now the photo that was taken on Earth has already returned from the Moon, pictures of the Moon from the studio. And the USSR was ashamed. How can you fool your people. You need at least three people, one waves a broom, the second shoves the image of the Moon at the moment when the photographer pressed the button, and the gate opened with a slight movement of the gloved hand, the gate closes. And now the photo that was taken on Earth has already returned from the Moon.
  • avaks111
    avaks111 12 June 2021 06: 04
    0
    It was not the aluminum transistors that had to be changed at the station, but the CHIPS !!!