"Following Shaposhnikov": The timing of the modernization of the BOD project 1155 "Admiral Vinogradov"

Project 1155 large anti-submarine ship (BOD) "Admiral Vinogradov" will be repaired with upgrades and will be retrained as a frigate by 2025. It is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the DIC.

According to the source, Admiral Vinogradov will undergo modernization following the example of Marshal Shaposhnikov, whose return to the Pacific Ocean fleet planned by the end of this year. The BOD is planned to be delivered for repairs immediately after the "Shaposhnikov" was commissioned, i. E. this year, the modernization and overhaul should be completed by 2025.

It is assumed that the repair and modernization of the BOD "Admiral Vinogradov" will begin in 2021 with the return to the fleet in 2024-2025.

- said the source, adding that the line for the modernization of the BOD project 1155 will continue, all ships will be repaired with rearmament.

The fact that all large anti-submarine ships (BOD) of project 1155 will undergo modernization, after which they will be reclassified into frigates, was reported at the end of 2019. The first in the class of frigates was the BOD "Marshal Shaposhnikov", which was undergoing major overhaul and modernization at Dalzavod.

As previously reported, the ships of this project are being upgraded with the Uran anti-ship complex with Kh-35 missiles, a universal launcher for Kalibr, Onyx or Zircon cruise missiles, and artillery is being changed.

BOD "Admiral Vinogradov" was laid down at the Baltic Shipyard "Yantar" on February 5, 1986, launched on June 4, 1987. 3 Entered the Pacific Fleet on May 1, 1989.

Main characteristics: Standard displacement 6840 tons, full 7480 tons. Length 163 meters, width 19 meters, draft 7,8 meters. Full speed 29,5 knots, economical - 14 knots. Cruising range - 6882 miles at 14 knots. Autonomy - 30 days. The crew is 293 people, including 46 officers.

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[svp67]

Was anti-submarine, becomes shock, and who will chase the submarines?

[PROXOR]

He will be chasing. Only in addition to the PLO, he had teeth to hit both the coast and surface targets. Of course, he has a problem with air defense.

[Kalmar]

Quote: PROXOR

Of course, he has a problem with air defense.

According to rumors, "Vinogradov" is proposed to be pumped more seriously. In particular - to replace the "Dagger" air defense system with "Calm". Well, and all sorts of amenities like replacing antique SET-65 with "Package-NK", doubling the ammunition load of "Caliber" and "Uranus" (there was still a place), etc. Perhaps something interesting will come out.

[mvg]

replace SAM "Dagger" with "Calm"

This is, of course, a serious argument. As it was impossible for 1155 to get out from under the aviation umbrella, it remained "impossible". So they will go in pairs 22380/385 + 1155M, as planned 956 + 1155. History does not teach anything. One underdestructor, the second under-frigate.
It is unclear what with PLO, its main function.

[Kalmar]

Quote: mvg

This is, of course, a serious argument.

Let's just say it's a step forward. Probably, it would be great to put on some "Redoubt", but, in all likelihood, the terms and budgets will swell up to a completely obscene scale. And the boats are not very new anymore.

Quote: mvg

So they will walk in pairs 22380/385 + 1155M

And no one walks alone for a long time. Even heavy cruisers without an escort in our time is not smart to drive.

Quote: mvg

It is unclear what with PLO, its main function.

At least in terms of weapons, everything should be in order: in the launcher it will be possible to charge up to 16 (or still up to 32) PLUR 91R1. If there is still a place for the "Packet", it will be even better. We did not come across information about updating the SAC - this, of course, is not so great.

[bayard]

Quote: Kalmar

We did not come across information about updating the SAC - this, of course, is not so great.

So he and the regular GAK, to the envy of many, would be serviceable and ready.

Quote: Kalmar

16 (or still up to 32) PLUR 91R1.

The first time I heard about such an increase in launch cells. How reliable is the information? Or is it following the example of increasing the number of launchers by 22350 of the second sub-series?
By the way, if there is a "Packet-NK", then in the arsenal there will be enough and 8 PLUR 91R1 (at least up to 16 pieces), and the rest for anti-ship missiles and "Calibers" along the coast.
And if "Calm" is used as an air defense missile system, there is also a very good increase in capabilities for targets at medium range. It is possible that some of the Dagger cells will be kept for close combat ... well, it would not be the Pntsir-M for him, it would be quite expensive.
And another question, if the dock has been free for a long time, why "Vinogradov" is not there yet? Why are they pulling a cat by the genitals, losing a whole year? After all, there are floating docks at the Pacific Fleet for temporary docking ...
If there are such puffs with staging for repair / modernization, then the entire pair of 1155s will not be able to modernize in any way ...

[Kalmar]

Quote: bayard

How reliable is the information?

As far as I understand, so far this is at the level of proposals from Dalzavod. The pictures shown here are walking on the net: https://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/6187529.html. Judging by them, additional launchers found a place in the stern of the ship.

Quote: bayard

By the way, if there is a "Packet-NK", then in the arsenal there will be enough and 8 PLUR 91R1 (at least up to 16 pieces), and the rest for anti-ship missiles and "Calibers" along the coast.

The beauty of universal launchers (like the 3C-14) is that they allow you to flexibly form the arsenal of the ship before each exit to the sea. If the task is to search for and neutralize enemy submarines, we take the maximum PLUR and a certain amount of anti-ship missiles. For some kind of shock operation, 3M-14s are charged, and several PLURs are taken - just in case. Etc.

Quote: bayard

And another question, if the dock has been free for a long time, why "Vinogradov" is not there yet?

"Soon the fairy tale will tell, but it won't be done soon": while the project is being coordinated, while the budgets are being knocked out, while the work is being planned ...

[bayard]

Quote: Kalmar

"Soon the tale will tell, but it won't be soon

The fact of the matter is that not soon. If a decision is made to modernize the entire fleet of 1155 (7 units), and each ship will take 4 - 5 years (with refinements and tests), then it is necessary to organize a flow process when the ship is taken out of the dock for completion at the wall, and the next one is already goes to the dock. Otherwise, more than 4 ships will not be in time - the rest will rot in the queue after exhausting their resource.
But perhaps a new project is indeed being coordinated, it is still very different.

Quote: Kalmar

additional launchers found a place in the stern of the ship.

And I really thought it was due to the cabins on the tank. In the late Soviet period, there was such a modernization project 1155 during a medium repair, with the installation of 4 - 6 UKSK (32 - 48 cells) in place of the second tower, SAM "Shtil", PLUR "Waterfall" and "Mosquitoes" (or "Onyxes) in inclined And they were going to continue the series in this guise.
And they wanted to modernize all the "Sarychs" - instead of the aft tower up to 4 UKSK for 32 cells for "Onyx" and "Granata" ...
Those were good plans ...

[alexmach]

But perhaps a new project is really being coordinated, it is still very different.

and maybe for this they also waited for the results of the Shaposhnikov test.

[bayard]

In the Shaposhnikov tests, the main thing is the quality of the power plant repair (turbines and the restoration of gearboxes), which was the main problem during the repair.

[alexmach]

Couldn't there have been changes in weight distribution there?

[bayard]

No, there is a second pair of UKSK located in the back - just behind the helicopter hangar (or in front, if viewed from the nose). Around the same place, additional two x 4 launchers of the Kh-35 anti-ship missiles are located - side by side, but closer to the center of mass .. So everything will be fine with weight distribution there.

[mvg]

And no one walks alone for a long time. Even heavy cruisers without an escort in our time is not smart to drive.

One by one, we just like to walk, that Kuzya, that Peter ... even on exercises ... Patrolling or escorting a convoy, for example. Why hang around together, three of us.
PS: And the fact that 1155 is badly worn out is a fact. The workhorses of the fleet, as before were 1134B. And the power plant of Ukrainian production. I climbed the forums, no one did the normal capital .. all the time there were adventures ..

[Kalmar]

Quote: mvg

One by one, they like to walk with us, that Kuzya, that Peter ... even during exercises ..

The costs of peacetime, completely relaxed. Say, the main task now is flag show Yes power projection, and for this, a single ship is enough, it's so big and scary, and we also have nuclear missiles, well, off we go.

I think that in the event of some real mess, even our military is smart enough not to suffer from such nonsense and organize some kind of escort.

[mvg]

our military is smart enough not to suffer such nonsense and organize some kind of escort

And for some reason it seems to me that the Navy will not leave the bases in the event of a serious conflict. To compete with NATO at sea is at least uninteresting. It's too big a difference. Something like in the Second World War, when battleships, cruisers, leaders, did not go beyond cans. In the best case, the SF, before the approach of the Naklo-Saxons and the Yankees, drives the Vikings a little .. and that's it. And RTOs on rivers and inland lakes, such as the Caspian, will spread.
To drive 1143, 1144,1164, 22380 into the sea is to send the crew on the "last crusade", be there in escort at least fifty 22350 and XNUMX.

[Kalmar]

Quote: mvg

And for some reason it seems to me that the Navy will not leave the bases in the event of a serious conflict.

Maybe. But a full-scale war with NATO so far seems unlikely. The same cannot be said about local conflicts with small but overly daring states. For example, the Turks will beguile the coast or the Japanese will want to resolve the Kuril issue by force. Here the fleet may well play its role, if, of course, it will be in a more or less combat-ready state, and not as it is now.

[PROXOR]

Well, here, probably all the same, the order will be in the composition of which will be either 1144 or 1164. And there is the S-300F.

[Barberry25]

well, how would it be to walk in one face in the sea where the enemy has long been considered bad manners, and there was no place for the installation of something like the S-300F ... or it will turn out to be such a station wagon that can not do anything well. ..therefore, it is necessary to look for a compromise, and taking into account the commissioning of 24-26, the issue with new ships will be more or less resolved already

[An K-s]

One combat unit is always one combat unit.

[TermNachTer]

So no one filmed "Polynom" and helicopters too. They removed the "bell", but its effectiveness raises certain doubts.

[huntsman650]

For him there are no more "pencils")))

[TermNachTer]

I didn’t even know that there was no BC to the "bell". Well then, as they say - God himself ordered it to be dismantled.

[Marconi41]

The air defense would be improved. Without him, what kind of shock is he ?!

[Ross xnumx]

"Following Shaposhnikov": The timing of the modernization of the BOD project 1155 "Admiral Vinogradov"

There was already an article on the site:

Defective modernization of "Marshal Shaposhnikov"

https://topwar.ru/173385-nepolnocennaja-modernizacija-marshala-shaposhnikova.html
Just think, in four years we will read:
Defective modernization of "Admiral Vinogradov"

[Devil13]

Calm at least, of course, they could stick.
In general, there seems to be a change in the modernization, they wrote on bmpd

[Ivan Maksimovich]

Or the fleet will get a really useful and efficient ship! Hope so

[alexmach]

Something is somehow not at all realistic. 4 Pu Calm, as I understand it, they decided to say goodbye to the "dirk" at all?
8 PU package, for such a rather big ship, and even an anti-submarine will not be enough.

[huntsman650]

Zaiena "Dagger" yet)))

[mark1]

For 5 years on a ship ... Is it possible to upgrade them two at a time?

[alexmach]

For 5 years on a ship ... Is it possible to upgrade them two at a time?

Now, it hurts too slowly. If you really modernize everything, then you need to do it quickly. Even for 4 years, but then it is necessary to install several at once, or with a slight offset, but not wait for the completion of the modernization of one in order to start the modernization of the next.

[Barberry25]

and where do you suggest to put it? ship repair and so packed to the eyeballs

[alexmach]

What do I mean by the fact that the repair will not come out? It is sad then to upgrade all available BODs.

[Barberry25]

who told you that it won't work?)

[An60]

There is no one, everyone in the comedy clubs and bloggers are gone.

[demiurg]

At least Armor - M. Cut out the entire Dagger at the root, and put 2-3 towers. Expensive, but real.
But on 4 or 6 firing channels.
Plus package 4 * 4, PLUR-Caliber, RBU leave. Polynomial to modernize.
There will be a very frigate with a bias towards PLO.

[Marconi41]

Quote: demiurg

Cut out the entire Dagger at the root, and put 2-3 towers. Expensive, but real.

It was possible to remove one AU, if of course the weight could be distributed.

[Barberry25]

so it will be removed .. Where do you think the caliber will be put?

[Marconi41]

Quote: Barberry25

so it will be removed .. Where do you think the caliber will be put?

Precisely, I did not see Shaposhnikov after the upgrade. Then, unfortunately, there is no chance for a more advanced air defense.

[Eldorado]

Nonsense, no one will modernize it, the ship is 30 years old already in 2025 the first frigate 22350 will arrive at the Pacific Fleet.

[Devil13]

How much BOD do we have? And how many of these long-suffering frigates?
When will their number at least compensate for the amount of BOD? and how many of them are needed in reality, eh?

[Galleon]

Such news will warm the heart of any sailor. It is a pity that the destroyers did not live to see such upgrades.

[Devil13]

Well, a few are still alive, but the point is .... The boilers on them were killed for a long time by illiterate exploitation, Nastya is generally at the wall tonent, another deck will be flooded - there will remain a monument.
Too many design changes and cable re-routing.
22350M - which looks like a destroyer, would have completely replaced them. And frigates 22350 are now more powerful than 956. (

[donavi49]

Now only 1 is alive - Fast, where strict methods of control and suppression of deviations from instructions have been introduced into BC-5.

Ushakov was a ceremonial BMZ. In 2018, after the withdrawal to the reserve, they already began to bury it, but it seems they found some money for the HTG and it runs for another 5 years after repairs.

The rest of the corpses are objective. As for too many changes, the Chinese who recently introduced 18 (!!!!) destroyer 052D for 64 VPUs and 2 for 055 VPUs - they quite support 112. 956 suspension (3 standard, 2 modernized) and 1 in modernization.

Here is a handsome head 136 after modernization. 2 vertical blocks Shtil1, their complex a la RIM-116 short-range in the nose, their torpedoes (MK46 clones), their supersonic anti-ship missiles, a bunch of new things for radar, combat posts and other things.

But 137 will soon be back at sea. In just a little over a year, they were modernized.

[Alien From]

It's a pity that not our ships are in the photo ...

[lis-ik]

Quote: Alien From

It's a pity that not our ships are in the photo ...

It is a pity that the wrong people rule!

[Barberry25]

yes yes yes, you would go to the steering wheel, you would be awesome

[Eldorado]

"Nastya is drowning"

Recently insistent in the dock in Kronstadt, for some reason they were going to repair it.

[Devil13]

So his lower decks are flooded, the skiff, and other delights. The ship was flooded for several years, thank God that they brought it to the dock

[alex aircraft]

Look at the Soviet construction time! 3 years and the ship has been in service, and someone is brazenly lying that the Soviet Union had nothing but galoshes.

[Usher]

Of course I understand everything, but whoever has seen this "Zircon"? Why write something that has not yet been adopted for service?

[Barberry25]

so that when they accept statements about "what is zircon?"

[Devil13]

Adoption is a relative concept.
Check with MO.
It would be wise to write "the possibility of placement" probably

[wolf46]

I would like to believe that at least the "Admiral Panteleev" (1991) at the Pacific Fleet will be repaired after the "Adm. Vinogradov" (1988). In 2025 "Adm. Tributsu" (1985) will be 40 years old.

[Castro Ruiz]

Mozhet kto to napisat realnuyu infu pro Chabanenka?

[An60]

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