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Russian national idea and the "Russian dream"

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Russian national idea and the "Russian dream"

The way of life of any nation is determined by its perception of the world and the totality of social meanings and images, on the basis of which the national idea is formed as a function of goal-setting, which determines the image of the future society in which this nation would like to live, and as a goal to strive for.


It is impossible to invent a national idea; it must be a natural product of life itself and its meaning. Its task is to unite the people and contribute to the satisfaction of the political, social and economic interests of social groups and classes and the formation of national self-awareness and national identity.

In choosing the path of development of each nation, the determining factor is the system of values ​​in the form of ideas, symbols and images that characterize the world in which they want to live, acceptable conditions and way of life, spiritual principles and ways of translating them into life.

Russian traditional values


All this is built on the basis of a civilizational culture, cultivated in the people of all its previous history and laid in its carriers a strictly defined set of them. Each nation has developed its own values, often fundamentally different from the values ​​of other nations. So the Russian people have developed their own value base with traditional spiritual and moral values. What is the specificity of the Russian system of values ​​and why is it incompatible with the Western European one? Who are we, Russians? What united the Slavic ethnic groups into a political nation that created the Russian civilization? And what traditional spiritual and moral values ​​are characteristic of our people?

The Russian system of spiritual and moral values ​​has developed under the influence of the communal spirit and the institution of the community, which has a specific way and way of life with the principles of solidarity (conciliarity) and the collectivist foundations of social organization, contributing to the unification of individuals into territorial communities in order to organize their life order.

Russian collegiality was characterized by the exclusive priority of common interests (collegiality) over individual interests, the duty of society to protect the interests of the individual, the predominance of unification over division, justice over the law, power over property, service over possession, responsiveness over acquisitiveness, and this is the essence of Russianness. Community ethics and morality excluded the sacralization of private property, leading to social inequality, while paternalism (sacralization of the leader) was characteristic of Russian conciliarism, combining one-man command and popular trust. The sole leader has always been a symbol of a strong Russian state.

Orthodoxy was laid at the basis of the morality and culture of Russian society, as a set of parishes-communities that met the collectivist aspirations of the Russian people, and absorbed traditional Russian values.

Incompatibility of Russian and Western values


The image and way of life of the peoples of Western civilization have developed completely different customs, traditions and other civilizational values, which later became the basis for the ideology of liberalism, which denies any kind of collectivism.

At the heart of liberalism is the consumerism of the individual, preaching the absolutization of his freedom and choice in personal interests of any values ​​without any obligations to society, freeing him from all forms of collective identity. In liberalism, the main value is wealth, it provides all the benefits of consumerism and for the sake of profit, it allows the monetization of everything and everyone at the expense of the neighbor and the opportunity to eat the weak. If in Russian society social justice is the basis of morality, then in Western society it is self-interest and consumerism at the expense of others. In Russian self-awareness, wealth destroys the soul, engenders injustice and humiliates another person.

Russian spiritual and moral values ​​were formed in the plane of social justice based on the strong traits of the individual - the cult of sympathy, empathy and mutual assistance, usefulness for society. And in the West - based on the cult of superiority, personal success and the priority of the individual over society. In this regard, the ideas of liberalism are unacceptable for the Russian person, since they lead to social inequality and are incompatible with the social state, hence the rejection of liberalism and the craving for justice and a welfare state. For a Russian person, the highest value is justice and the resulting self-esteem, which does not allow one’s humiliation and does not humiliate another.

The Russian system of values ​​in connection with the collectivist form of social organization of society presupposes a path of development not on the basis of Western individual consumerism, but on the basis of creating goods in the interests of society and the individual as part of it, the primacy of common interests over individual interests, countering the preaching of freedom as an absolute and restricting the rights of the individual his responsibilities to society. The struggle between Russian and liberal ideological values ​​is a struggle of collectivism, in which everyone survives together, with individualism, where everyone survives as best he can.

That is, Russia is the bearer and bastion of civilizational values ​​alternative to the West.

Fundamentally different traditional values ​​of peoples led to the formation of two civilizations with different social models of society organization and different civilization codes of the peoples inhabiting them. And it is not just that the collectivist ideology of communism, born in the West, found fertile ground not there, but in Russian civilization.

Russian traditional values ​​united the peoples inhabiting this territory into the Russian civilization (Russkiy Mir) - a geopolitical and cultural-historical community of people who consider themselves Russian in spirit (not necessarily Russian by nationality), who are involved in a common historical memory, Russian culture, Russian language and with common views on their life.

In connection with different concepts of the organization of social life and the incompatibility of the civilizational values ​​of the peoples of the two civilizations, there is a tough confrontation and rivalry for influence in the world between them, hence the desire of the West by any means to conquer and subjugate the Russian civilization, which offered the world a different image of the world order.

Attempts by the Russian elite in different historical periods to integrate Russia into Western civilization have always ended in failure. And in modern Russia, the liberal discourse imposed by the elite is not supported by society and is categorically rejected by the people.

It should be noted that, nevertheless, part of society under the influence of propaganda loses its Russian identity, but the primacy of private property has not become sacred for the majority. And it is impossible to recode the Russian civilization code among the entire people, they resist ideological violence with every fiber of their soul. This once again emphasizes that the concept of the development of Russian civilization can in no way lie in the plane of integration with Western civilization. We are irreconcilable competitors and can develop only by competing with each other.

The image of the future: who shapes it and how


The state and society cannot exist without the goal that they strive to realize. Citizens, naturally, want to understand what the ruling class is calling for and where it is leading, and what kind of state it is going to build. The image of the future should be formed under the influence of the traditional values ​​characteristic of this national community and the preservation of the existing way of life. And to be presented to society as a set of meanings, ideas, ways and opportunities for a citizen to achieve the position in society that he deserves, and to enjoy living in such a state.

Any society is heterogeneous, it consists of different social groups and classes, which may have completely different interests. In this regard, in principle, there cannot be a national idea that satisfies absolutely everyone. The national idea should be a consolidating force and strategy for the national development of society. It can take over the masses if it relies on the overwhelming majority of society and has the consolidated support of social groups and influential driving forces, which will see in it the realization of their interests. The national idea can be realized only through a social contract between social groups and classes that have accepted it as the goal of their development.

The support should be on representatives of society, who recognize themselves as part of the Russian national community and are united by the ideological basis of defending the interests of Russian identity. It is they who, by virtue of their conviction and understanding of the ways of development of society, are capable of realizing the Russian national idea. In addition, citizens should not remain silent, but should be imbued with the desire to implement it and become direct participants in the process. As an example, we can cite the Stalinist breakthrough in the 30s, when, despite hunger, general poverty and repression, society enthusiastically built a new future, where everyone was given the opportunity to express themselves, and believed in the image of the future, albeit mythical, striving to achieve this goal.

National ideology


The national idea should be based on the national identification of the people, the ideological basis of which is the national ideology, characterized by a set of political, social and religious views based on traditional values ​​and indicating the ways and means of achieving them. This is a kind of quasi-religion - a system of ideas aimed at uniting members of society in order to achieve a specific goal.

National ideology, which has become state, always expresses the interests of powerful social groups and classes, imposing it on society with all the might of the state machine. By the way, the formal absence of ideology does not mean that it does not exist. It always exists and is imposed on society by the ruling elite. This is what Russia has faced now. The comprador elite, which seized power after the collapse of the Union, with the formal prohibition of any ideology in the Constitution, imposes on Russian society a liberal ideology with its individualistic values.

Within the framework of this paradigm, the Russian people are imposed an ideology and social order that contradicts their traditional values, eroding the semantic core of Russian society and the image of the future to which one must strive. This attempt to impose liberal values ​​on our community and to form a new Russian identity on this basis is failing. For the consciousness of a Russian person, the liberal value base with its individualism is asocial and unnatural, since under it social justice is simply immoral. Without a collectivist principle, no national idea in Russia can exist.

Russian national idea


What should be the Russian national idea and the corresponding national ideology? And what is the image of the future?

The Russian national idea, like that of other peoples, is based on the dream of its people. If Americans have an individualistic dream - "do it yourself", then Russians - "to live in a strong and just state." The Russian person has a value base - justice, therefore he is historically especially sensitive to issues of social injustice and does not accept the primacy of private property, leading to inequality of people. Its national idea is to build a society of social justice, a sovereign and economically prosperous state, the purpose of which is to protect its citizens and ensure a decent standard and quality of life.

The national idea of ​​building the state of the “Russian dream” is determined, first of all, by “conciliar” state goal-setting based on the intertwining of personal and sovereign interests, the semantic and ideological core of which is conciliar sacredness, adherence to the ideas of a strong state as a “common cause” that excludes discrimination based on social status, and where a successful and happy citizen is its foundation.

For a Russian person, "spiritual bonds" and traditional values ​​have always formed the basis of his worldview. Now they want to force a Russian person to look at the world through the prism of liberal values, and they are trying to impose on him, as a national idea, the construction of a liberal society that is unacceptable for him for the elect, which he does not want to see. And this is well manifested in the way of life of the Russian elite, who simply offend society.

The ideological, moral and social meaning of the Russian formula for the future lies in the idea of ​​social justice, which presupposes that "justice is when everyone in society takes his or her place." Not what a person wants or bought, but what he deserves. Social justice is not equality for everyone and in everything, but the provision of equal rights and opportunities for all social strata to express themselves and achieve a well-deserved status in society.

The way to implement the national idea is to introduce a model of the political, economic and social structure of the state, which corresponds to the image of the future to which society aspires. The model should meet the interests of different strata of society and unite them in the name of finding a compromise, in which certain strata should compromise part of their interests in order to achieve agreement in society. It is necessary to develop a structure of political and social systems that satisfies society, to propose a different economic model for the development of the state and specific mechanisms and methods for their implementation.

In this regard, only spiritual and moral principles can unite society. And the main task is to educate a citizen responsible for their country and a new generation of the ruling class, since the future world order will be determined not only by the struggle of economies, but also by the struggle of ideas for building society. And spiritual needs will inevitably prevail over consumerism. It is not the stomach that should rule, but the brain, but, of course, the stomach should be full. The ideal can become a factor and stimulus for the development of the material.

The society of the future can be based on a synthesis of Orthodox spiritual and moral values, the positive and negative experience of building socialism and the proven elements of capitalism such as competition and forms of private property that do not contradict the idea of ​​a just society.

The Russian national idea presupposes the creation of forms of social life that unite rather than divide peoples. In contrast to the liberal ideology of consumerism, which preaches the principle of "man to man is a wolf", the Russian national idea offers an anti-liberal concept of the world order on the collectivist value basis of the social organization of society, in which the main goal is not the domination of individualism, but the creation of decent living conditions for different peoples in accordance with their image and way of life.

The Russian national idea in its essence is the reincarnation of the ideas of the “red project” on a new social level, which tried to implement the idea of ​​a society of social justice not quite successfully. The Russian project of a world order with an attractive image of the future can become a generator of meanings, ideas, images and social organization of society for other peoples, since it implies an alternative concept of the future as opposed to liberalism with its desire to absorb and enslave the weak and defenseless.

The Russian people, like no other, are passionate, they are a victorious people and cannot serve. Sovereignty is one of the main features of the Russian character. He needs victories like air, and he is ready for a lot in the name of an exciting idea. And this requires strong meanings that can lift him and lead him forward.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 April 1 2021 13: 08
    +9
    Conversations, conversations ... maybe they are correct, at times, in places, but from conversations it is necessary to move on to ACTION.
    And here we come to the obvious, there are a lot of conversations, from all sides ... and actions, achievements where, how and why.
    An article, a repetition of what was said and said ... and then what?
    1. apro
      apro April 1 2021 13: 17
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      Conversations, conversations

      Rocket discussion leads to a more precise definition of the essence of the problem, and then the methods of solution.
      1. dorz
        dorz April 1 2021 13: 42
        +20
        Quote: apro
        the national idea and the "Russian dream" ...

        What kind of Russian idea can you discuss when on Russian TV top untouchable TV presenters-journalists of Middle Eastern nationality openly hate Russians and everything Russian, repeatedly voicing it in the media?
        1. apro
          apro April 1 2021 13: 43
          -2
          Quote: dorz
          when on Russian TV

          Dorz.we are not on TV. There is no special censorship.
        2. Sentinel-vs
          Sentinel-vs April 1 2021 14: 04
          +22
          Yes, in our present state in general, no separate Russian ideas are welcomed. There are only Russians. Anxious attitude to the nat. minorities are much more pronounced. Any emphasis on the Russian idea, the Russian nation, etc. is immediately called nationalism and manifestation of intolerance towards other peoples (Russians), although other peoples never call themselves Russians at all, defending their national identity.
          1. ALARI
            ALARI April 1 2021 14: 24
            +11
            Here, take at least Eurovision, where Russia is represented by a typical Russian woman. She's not even Russian.
            1. Civil
              Civil April 1 2021 14: 39
              +11
              Incompatibility of Russian and Western values

              And under this slogan to spread rot on those who disagree and continue to export everything valuable to the West. Cool. To you, Russian people, spirituality and braces, and to us, soulless materialists, all the natural resources of Russia.
              good
            2. Matroskin
              Matroskin April 1 2021 16: 57
              +3
              Who is interested in this freak contest? If a less provocative character were sent to this circus of freaks, then no one would be interested. And so there is a news feed and everyone is talking about it now, from neo-females and political scientists to former military personnel in VO. The marketer probably got a gilded gelik from this))
              1. ALARI
                ALARI April 1 2021 20: 08
                +1
                The main thing is not the news feed, but the trend is important. Europe didn’t suddenly become so tolerant either, little by little they gave up their position, they closed their eyes and hello to the new Europe where Europeans kneel in front of yesterday’s emigrants.
          2. Pashhenko Nikolay
            Pashhenko Nikolay April 1 2021 16: 10
            +5
            Well, what do you want. The struggle against great Russian chauvinism continues. Nobody canceled it.
            1. lucul
              lucul April 1 2021 19: 38
              0
              Well, what do you want. The struggle against great Russian chauvinism continues. Nobody canceled it.

              Everything is according to the precepts of Ilyich.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 1 2021 19: 45
                +7
                Quote: lucul
                Everything is according to the precepts of Ilyich.

                By the hands of Putin. The demographic crisis is obvious, the fight against it is only carried out by the import of migrants.
                1. lucul
                  lucul April 1 2021 20: 05
                  -7
                  The demographic crisis is evident

                  The demographic crisis is a consequence of the restructuring and collapse of the country.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 April 1 2021 20: 28
                    +11
                    Quote: lucul
                    The demographic crisis is a consequence of the restructuring and collapse of the country.

                    Is the USSR to blame, as always? Or the Polovtsians with the Tatar-Mongols? wink
                    A simple example - as a result of the pension reform, almost every resident of the Russian Federation "got" 1 million rubles. I have a family of five (i.e. large). All the nishtyaks from the state that I got / will get (financial capital, 450 rubles for a mortgage, benefits) amount to about 1,5 million rubles. 5 -1,5 = 3,5 million rubles in the future plus to the state.
                    How do you like this arithmetic in favor of demography?
                    Further, today my wife applied for her daughter to school through state services. And it turned out that large families are not a preferential category for school admission. Unlike the children of employees of the prosecutor's office, courts, the Federal Penitentiary Service, the police and the National Guard.
                    Personally, don't you think that the government's real actions to improve demographics are very different from those declared?
                  2. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter April 1 2021 23: 11
                    +8
                    Quote: lucul
                    The demographic crisis is a consequence of the restructuring and collapse of the country.

                    30 years have passed since that moment, and all these 30 years the genocide of the indigenous peoples of the Russian Federation has been carried out.
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter April 1 2021 23: 15
                +4
                Quote: lucul
                Everything is according to the precepts of Ilyich.

                Can you confirm your thesis with Lenin's quotes?
      2. Hagalaz
        Hagalaz April 1 2021 14: 02
        +2
        Live yourself (according to God's rules) and let others live. If you don’t give it, then it’s not fair. That's the whole national idea, in short. The rest is details. And there are only two solution methods. Either the conscience wakes up in the one who does not allow others to live, or they give him a haunch.
        1. apro
          apro April 1 2021 14: 10
          +5
          Quote: Hagalaz
          Live by yourself (according to God's rules) and let others live

          Die today you ... and tomorrow I ... something reminds ... and about conscience is not necessary ... or according to the law ... or not at all.
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz April 1 2021 17: 01
            0
            And what reminded you? I'm not sarcastic.
            In law? For whom? And if you are around, do not break it!
        2. New Year day
          New Year day April 1 2021 14: 42
          +9
          Quote: Hagalaz
          conscience wakes up

          Somehow melt. Potanin, having ditched Sever, believes that his conscience is clear. And I am sure that Vasilyeva and those like her have order with their consciences. And according to our conscience, hard labor is not enough for them
          1. Hagalaz
            Hagalaz April 1 2021 16: 56
            0
            No vagueness. Conscience is either there or not. How do you know what Potanin and Vasilyeva think? As for me, this is the case when not.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 1 2021 18: 05
              +2
              Quote: Hagalaz
              How do you know what Potanin and Vasilyeva think?

              Judging by the fact that one does not want to pay for environmental damage, and the second flaunts and puffs, then there is no conscience
              1. Hagalaz
                Hagalaz April 1 2021 18: 55
                +2
                So I'm talking about the same thing. Probably I didn’t put it right. Of course I mean that they have no conscience.
            2. Sentinel-vs
              Sentinel-vs April 1 2021 18: 44
              +2
              As it is sung in one song - "To live by conscience? Sounds beautiful. Someone's conscience allows children to rape ..."
              1. Hagalaz
                Hagalaz April 1 2021 18: 56
                +1
                Lack of conscience allows children to be raped.
              2. lucul
                lucul April 1 2021 19: 40
                -2
                Live by your conscience? Sounds pretty. Someone's conscience allows children to rape ... "

                To live according to your conscience, you need 3 generations to bring you up, in this vein, from birth.
        3. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 1 2021 14: 45
          +4
          Quote: Hagalaz
          Live by yourself (according to God's instructions)

          And who will interpret God's ordinances? ROC, what imams or tzaddiks? Do not!
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets April 1 2021 15: 16
            +6
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            And who will interpret God's ordinances? ROC, what imams or tzaddiks? Do not!

            Do with others as you would like them to do to you. Here it is the main divine institution, and everything else is "from the evil one." This is also in the Gospel of Matthew, and Confucius, as far as I know, probably has something similar in the Koran.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U April 1 2021 15: 43
              -1
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              This is also in the Gospel of Matthew, and Confucius, as far as I know, probably has something similar in the Koran.

              The fact that the gospels from anyone people wrote and interpreted as they wanted did not occur to you?
              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets April 1 2021 15: 49
                +5
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                The fact that the gospels from anyone people wrote and interpreted as they wanted did not occur to you?

                Is there a comment about this? "Do with others as you would like, what would be done to you" can be called the rules of socialist community. Does this change something? It doesn't matter who voiced this thought first, I suppose long before Christ.)))))
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U April 1 2021 15: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Is there a comment about this? "Treat others as you would like them to be treated."
                  So my comment that there are interpreters of "God's" words! Let me remind you that Poklonskaya's hysteria about "Matilda" prompted a certain person to ram and set the cinema on fire. Well, kissing the GDP with the leaders of "traditional confessions" also look very ambiguous in a secular state in general.
                  1. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets April 1 2021 17: 50
                    +5
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Well, kissing GDP with the leaders of "traditional confessions" also look very ambiguous in a secular state in general.

                    All these kissing have only one goal, strengthening their own power and the power of the existing oligarchic elite, nothing more. A lot of things in our state look ridiculous, and a lot is criminal.
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Let me remind you that Poklonskaya's hysteria about "Matilda" prompted a certain person to ram and set the cinema on fire.

                    Was it only this crazy young lady who provoked dull-witted people to such actions, for which there is no excuse? Ignorance has always been exploited. For me, as an atheist, the Bible is a monument of world literature, nothing more. But personally, I really like the Gospel of John, and I consider the Sermon on the Mount (the Gospel of Matthew) to be one of the best public speeches. Anything can be perverted and misrepresented, taking advantage of people's ignorance. This has always happened.
                    1. lucul
                      lucul April 1 2021 19: 43
                      -7
                      For me, as an atheist, the Bible is a monument of world literature, nothing more.

                      Well, yes, you have your own religion - Marx's Capital.
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets April 1 2021 23: 01
                        +4
                        Quote: lucul
                        Well, yes, you have your own religion - Marx's Capital.

                        Can you try to refute it?
                    2. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U April 2 2021 03: 12
                      -1
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      For me, as an atheist, the Bible is a monument of world literature, nothing more.
                      Oh, does atheism not contradict faith, though not too strong, in the soul?
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets April 2 2021 06: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Oh, does atheism not contradict faith, though not too strong, in the soul?

                        Apparently you have little idea of ​​what atheism is.
                      2. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U April 2 2021 06: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Apparently you have little idea of ​​what atheism is.
                        The antagonist of theism is known, to which animism based on the concept of the noosphere has nothing to do, kmk.
            2. Hagalaz
              Hagalaz April 1 2021 16: 46
              +2
              It is not a matter of who and how interpreted the Gospel. And the fact that someone decided that his interpretation is more correct and that it is worth squeezing others who do not share.
        4. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz April 1 2021 16: 48
          0
          Pfff. And what is your own head for?
        5. lucul
          lucul April 1 2021 19: 41
          -6
          And who will interpret God's ordinances? ROC, what imams or tzaddiks? Do not!

          Every person has his own inborn arbiter - his conscience. In many nations, it is suppressed from birth.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U April 2 2021 03: 08
            0
            Quote: lucul
            In many nations, it is suppressed from birth.

            That's right, and the main tool of suppression is religion!
      3. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko April 1 2021 15: 18
        +6
        Live yourself (according to God's rules) and let others live.
        ...God is one? Why are there many religions? And why do they cut each other, from time to time? Are these divine decrees?
        1. Hagalaz
          Hagalaz April 1 2021 16: 40
          +2
          Of course not. When they cut it already has its own interpretation.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets April 1 2021 17: 21
          +6
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          ...God is one? Why are there many religions? And why do they cut each other, from time to time? Are these divine decrees?

          Religion - opium for the people.)))) Religion, in general, is just a way to siphon money from the "flock", nothing more. Nobody knows whether God exists or not, just as there is no precise and clear definition of this concept. And representatives of different confessions cut each other, first of all, because of certain economic interests. The example of the Crusades is very revealing.
          1. Matroskin
            Matroskin April 1 2021 19: 57
            +3
            Rabbi and Viking in a heated debate
            We agreed that the power is in the Torah. laughing
        3. lucul
          lucul April 1 2021 19: 46
          -6
          God is one? Why are there many religions? And why do they cut each other, from time to time? Are these divine decrees?

          Lack of resources and land.
          Religion, in fact, serves to impart a certain direction of action, with a general disunity of the vector of force in the masses.
          1. Matroskin
            Matroskin April 1 2021 20: 20
            +1
            Quote: lucul
            Religion, in fact, serves to impart a certain direction of action, with a general disunity of the vector of force in the masses.

            Excellent thesis! So many words can be substituted for religion and it will work)))
            1. lucul
              lucul April 1 2021 20: 24
              -7
              Excellent thesis! So many words can be substituted for religion and it will work)))

              And there is . The people are essentially a swan cancer and a pike from the fable of the same name. The greatest success is achieved by the people in which the percentage of ordering (directional vector) of multidirectional forces is higher than that of the rest.
      4. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 1 2021 19: 48
        +2
        Quote: Hagalaz
        Either the conscience wakes up in the one who does not allow others to live, or they give him a haunch.

        The problem is that the latter are in power.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 April 1 2021 14: 24
      +3
      Quote: apro
      Quote: rocket757
      Conversations, conversations

      Rocket discussion leads to a more precise definition of the essence of the problem, and then the methods of solution.

      So that is correct, but sometimes there is a chattering of PROBLEMS! Not so uncommon, by the way.
      We need, we need actions ... organizational, preliminary, intermediate ... and so we'll get to the main, major, significant!
      Any action is better than idle chatter.
      1. apro
        apro April 1 2021 14: 32
        0
        Quote: rocket757
        Any action is better than idle chatter.

        And you are an extremist. Rocket. If actions do not lead to the desired result. This is not actions. This is sabotage.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 April 1 2021 14: 53
          +2
          You know, some simply do not accept the fact that actions begin without first thinking ...
          There are emergencies when the stomach is swollen, for example, and then, beforehand, it is worth looking around and finding the proper place for ACTION.
          And in another way.
          This particular problem was not indicated yesterday! There was time to think, figure it out and outline a plan of action, albeit a preliminary one.
          1. apro
            apro April 1 2021 15: 45
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            There are emergencies

            There are all sorts of cases. But there must be a plan. He said from the past. Better a bad plan than none.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 April 1 2021 15: 51
              +1
              A bad plan can be corrected as soon as possible ... and in general. And when there is nothing to fix, what kind of conversation, discussion.
              And again I return to the fact that the PROBLEM did not arise yesterday ... where is at least some kind of action plan?
              1. apro
                apro April 1 2021 15: 53
                0
                Quote: rocket757
                And again I return to the fact that the PROBLEM did not arise yesterday

                But with this we must start. What is the problem?
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 April 1 2021 16: 04
                  +2
                  So for me there is NO problem !!!
                  We are an IMPERIAL people and we can live, develop only ALL TOGETHER!
                  I will not talk about the social system so far, so as not to throw an apple of discord ...
                  They will unite, repulse all enemies and build their life, their country, for the good of all people inhabiting its vastness!
                  1. apro
                    apro April 1 2021 16: 06
                    +3
                    Quote: rocket757
                    TOGETHER

                    Quote: rocket757
                    Unite

                    On the basis of what ??? that we are the most beautiful and intelligent ??? we are all afraid and we are nobody ???
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 April 1 2021 18: 50
                      0
                      There are many concepts, choose.
                      I don’t want to repeat it for the eleventh time.
                    2. apro
                      apro April 2 2021 02: 50
                      0
                      Quote: rocket757
                      Many concepts

                      This is where the problem lies. One way to success.
                    3. rocket757
                      rocket757 April 2 2021 08: 12
                      0
                      That's why a person is given a head to THINK, to be able to make the right choice ... all other functions are for maintaining the most important thing in working order!
              2. lucul
                lucul April 1 2021 19: 48
                -2
                We are an IMPERIAL people and we can live, develop only ALL TOGETHER!

                I will support.
                At the current level of development of biology, the Russian idea cannot be precisely formulated.
                1. rocket757
                  rocket757 April 1 2021 20: 05
                  0
                  Anchor points can be designated, and everything else will fall on them and gain a foothold.
                  There are many of us, we are different, we are together, we are friendly, so we are strong, no one can defeat us !!!
                2. lucul
                  lucul April 1 2021 20: 07
                  -4
                  There are many of us, we are different, but we are friendly, so we are strong, no one can defeat us !!!

                  I will buy everything, said gold, I will take everything, said damask. )))
              3. boni592807
                boni592807 April 1 2021 20: 35
                0
                lucul (Vitaliy), Today, 19: 48, NEW -

                "... We are an IMPERIAL people and we can live, develop only ALL TOGETHER! .."

                I will support.
                At the current level of development of biology, the Russian idea cannot be precisely formulated.


                It (the idea) has long been formulated, even by industry and direction... Even in RI (see, at least quotes - Alexander 3, Stolypin, etc.), you can find it in a more modern way, but in the same direction). hi
                Of course it's not easy to reinvent the wheel, especially when it IS ...

                Old anecdote: "... Three blind sages decided to formulate who an elephant is. Each of them approached the elephant and touched it. The TOTAL of" scientific experience "- The elephant is a solid base like a tree (the 3st hugged the elephant's leg) , and having parts - a) thick and flexible, long like a big snake (the 1nd took the elephant's trunk) and b) rather thin and tough and flexible (the 2rd raised his hand and ... grabbed the elephant's tail) .. The most interesting thing is that they really described the elephant, but on the basis of PERSONAL experience and perception of the world ...... hi
              4. boni592807
                boni592807 April 17 2021 21: 22
                +1
                By the way why not consider the total mind of the participants in the discussion of the topic: fellow
                1. Consolidation into one constituent entity of the Russian Federation ter-no - Belarus, territories, regions and the third RF with a predominance of (Russian-Belarusians, Moloros, Novorussians, Russians), Little Russia and Novorossia, with equal languages with Batskaya -Lukoshenko (RB) at the head -with the position of the head of the subject B, M, N, V ​​Rus and as the head of the largest constituent entity of Russia - Vice President of Russia. Rigorevich with experience and he has no show-off, but there will be ORDER. As much as possible - the Tatars, Chechens, Bashkirs, etc. Have their own "small homeland", the Head of THEIR national republics - controls the situation - from DEMOGRAPHY to the DEVELOPMENT of THEIR national republics. That's right, and it should be! good
                Compare the situation in the so-called. Russian subjects belay and for example, Grozny, Kazan and how the development processes are going there. good Yes they solve the issue with the indication of their nationality in the passport at their level. Every indigenous people of Russia has something to be proud of! How can you give up your ancestors ...There is no future without the past. At least see the map of the World and WWII (WW2) good ,
                And the Russians have a COMMON corridor and THEY are like incubator. a kind of "gray" foundation (state-forming - but de facto, but NOT de yure). without "care" and PROTECTION for 500 thousand mrut. In "Besogon" Mikhalkov flashed the figure of "leaving" - 10 ml.... Yugoslavia, for allegedly killed 300 thousand Albanians, the United States (NATO) was bombed. And the same number of Serbs expelled (and who were left there in the land) with their own land (Kosovo) were not noticed The question must be resolved, History knows no emptiness. So far, the USA and other "PARTNERS" have not used this situation either.
                Further, guests will "nashlyat" to the nat. subject of the Russian Federation (they will harass Buddhists or others ..., they will spoil in Yakutia, etc.) THEM quickly to the nail, or even kick home ... And in the "walk-through" corridor- you can wash your feet in the holy spring, as in the reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB. And FSE ?!
                Even Kedmi (a former citizen of the USSR, and then a public figure of Israel, in the past a diplomat, head of the secret special service "Nativ" ... "I admired" Solovyov's strange "misunderstanding and inability" to systematize the growing CHALLENGES in the Russian Federation. A non-preventable "scratch" can cause "gangrene"!
                2. Close the question "White" and "Red", not just FORGET. Dudki! It is important to understand the REASON, otherwise they will play off again what - where
                a- missed it yourself
                -(Peter 1 - with an overkill of Westernism and "serfdom" fool From admiration for Westernism and Russian (indigenous peoples, including) aristocrats grumbled. We read Ilyin and others. And with serfdom, even the aristocrats in the company of 1812 opened their eyes to the people. The result is the Decembrists. And Napoleon was surprised by the Russian peasants, he counted on them as a supposed "defender" from serfdom.
                b - who benefits from: bully
                - 1905-1917 and away we go ... ... Obviously not "white" and not particularly red
                those. to the people. How much in 1 MB, and then put into the Civilian? And if only with reasonable economic and social reforms, without strain. Is this after the successes of 1913? Stolypin worked on the development of the economy and regions in his own way, and Mendeleev considered in his own way ... There were prospects ... in the economy of mines in the 1st 3 leaders and in demography (600 ml. By 2000)
                - hard, not unambiguous USSR... But, both economically and socially, and military. stood up tight soldier ... The whole WEST won the war. Even as in the Republic of Ingushetia (introduced by the monetary reform of 1897 ..) in the USSR, the ruble became gold (February 28, 1950). But ...
                - with Khrushchev's reforms .... before Gorbachev's "perestroika and acceleration"(- see who the beneficiaries are) - Yeltsin with liberalism. bully ..
                The result for now - it seems like they got up from their knees, but ... not yet in an upright position. I would like to believe that especially for convenience, .... who remembers passing 100 m of the TRP and NFP standards.
                -in - faith (this is for Russians), a delicate matter- But, here, too, "someone" rummaged "(like in Gorby) ...
                Transition from Vedic (not pagan - Russia was far from the "ivory coast" in Africa) was clearly not a "gift" from Vladimir ("Putyata baptized Russia with fire, and Dobrynya with a sword"). But, to the period of Ivan the Terrible and formation is no longer Russia, but RUSSIA formed the Orthodox Christian faith with a significant influence of the Vedic heritage. Ivan the Terrible was not only a sovereign, but an educated man, he understood his role as a layman and a member of the Orthodox Church, but also as the head of the state consecrated by the church. As a result - disagreement and refusal to preach the teachings of Luther (June 14, 1570). In an interview with the Pope's representative Jesuit Antonio Possevino the Terrible said:"Our faith is Christian, not Greek"... He understood that Christianity and Byzantine teaching are not the same thing. His findings in relation to domestic and foreign policy.
                Then the established Orthodox Christian faith is suddenly reformed! What for? What would lead to a new "primary source" with the ability to become Nikon "Orthodox Pope" ?! Again over the knee and ... persecution with executions, incl. under Peter 1 (how much, all this brought harm and claimed lives) ... to the present, the ROC is Nikonians. It seems like there are 2 Orthodox churches in the Russian Federation, but how "useful" it is for Russia. Will they not use this as a successfully implemented and not closed topic of "White and Red"? And how do they "see" the situation in Russia, incl. with the Russians ???!
                During the period of industrial and economic growth of the Republic of Ingushetia, the Old Believers practically proved their right to a worthy place. They are economically active, among the first merchants and industrialists in Ingushetia. Fidelity to the word is tantamount to a signed agreement .. Strong numerous families ... Now there is something that with its purity, reliability and the prospect of self-respect (strong families, do not drink, do not smoke, diligence and ...) CAN become the basis for the REVIVAL of Russians ... Including on OWN land, since other indigenous people already have OWN.
                But this is a VERY personal VISION on the RUSSIAN idea. hi
                If we talk about Russia as a whole, then with corrections of errors of the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR, incl. above the above. With the equality of all INDIGENOUS peoples, taking into account the present situation. With a social focus. Luckily, however, the USSR is NO, but Swedish "socialism" is. sad
                Unfortunately "... there are no prophets in their Fatherland"( see Ilya, Zinoviev, etc.) but, there is an opinion of the former Soviet -15.08.2016/21/34, XNUMX:XNUMX, Heading: Incidents World disorder. Former head of the Israeli secret service on the main causes of the problems that threaten the world
                Text: Vladimir Snegirev. Russian newspaper - Federal issue number 181 (7049)
                "... The collapse of tsarism in Russia was inevitable. Ohhowever, the collapse of the Soviet Union could have been prevented. It was not the result of intelligent actions or the result of natural processes. Of course, Moscow's enemies have always wanted this, but it was not their covert operations that led to the collapse ...
                ...However, this does not apply, as I understand it, to the fall of the communist regime itself. He was doomed ...
                - Once Vladimir Kryuchkov, who was then head of the KGB, asked me what I thought about communism. I warned him: my answer will surprise you very much. And this is what he said: one cannot judge communism only by the Stalinist repressions. This is the same as judging Christianity only by the Inquisition. It was not communism that collapsed, but the system of power that proclaimed its slogans collapsed. China, finding itself in a similar situation, found another way out. And it copes well with new challenges.Source: https://versia.ru/yakov-kedmi-totalnomu-terroru-nado-obyavit-totalnuyu-vojnu.
                Regards, ... Good luck. hi
              5. boni592807
                boni592807 April 28 2021 23: 40
                0
                A little bit about security. stop
                The attitude towards Europe and in particular in France is not unambiguous. But, THEY began not only to realize, but also to act, this is about the problem of migration. belay But what do we have? [/ B]
                Them (migrants)visually already in the Russian Federation more than 25%(level of recognized safe trait). Many niches of industries in the Russian Federation are almost or completely occupied by them - construction, taxis, drivers, markets, sellers ... data from their places of distribution (infrastructure - government, transport, logistics, ... to the level of each house and the Management Company cities and mass. This is VERY dangerous fool
                Significant% of THEM are small and medium-sized businesses, where there is NO root place! The growth of "tough" crimes by the Ministry of Internal Affairs, incl. drug-related crimes (delivery, distribution) to terrorism. See the reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB. It is a recognized fact that the Russian Federation has become the second country for the "import" of migrants after the United States. A terrible achievement, despite the fact that before the pandemic there was information up to 12 ml. unemployed. According to different sources guests officially 3-5 ml (no exact data. Those who have a patent for work in the Russian Federation are even less), up to 10-15 ml. from illegally staying in the Russian Federation (according to sometimes pop-up data from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, before the border services of the FSB). Lot information about THEIR diasporas, their finances, about their way of instant reaction to the "oppression of THEIR fellow countrymen", their aggressiveness.
                Take France - A book with an unpleasant truth about the European politics of "multiculturalism" came out back in 2016at. Meanwhile its main author is the then head of France François Hollande. And the title on the cover is "The President shouldn't say that.".Hollande said honestly and directly: the entire EU elite has long been convinced that the policy of imposing multiculturalism has hopelessly failed. ...the attempt to integrate the mil into migrants was unsuccessful and turned into a social catastrophe. am That all the new masses of "new Europeans" will certainly not integrate and are not going to. So what we must do the opposite: "adapt for refugees" the entire indigenous European population ...Where it leadsTwo years later (2018), French Interior Minister Gerard Colombes announced his own resignation due to powerlessness to change the situation: “We still manage to get along [with migrants] side by side. But very soon we will find ourselves face to face ... ". ..Not "soon" - but ALREADY NOW. In Paris and Marseille, London and Madrid, Stockholm and Baden-Baden, Rome and Brussels, there are separate streets and entire districts, where not only tourists will not be lucky, but for some time ambulances, firefighters and police have avoided calling in. bully In the Russian press they are called ghettos. For decades, local residents have been leaving such neighborhoods, giving way to migrants. The question is, what do we have? belay I would like to believe that the problem in the Russian Federation was not only "noticed", [/ b] she is already on our streets and reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB. For a long time in schools and postors of the Russian Federation. Who is being attacked already - Bicevsky Park 2019. CCM in wrestling -Kill protect children and pregnant woman. The ratio is 1 to 8, Cf. Asia. Krasnogorsk G.O. -Putylkovo. A GRU soldier was killed - 12 people, 2 local guys, who were killed by the Armenians. One was ripped open in the stomach, the other was finished off with their feet. Former GRU fighter, took part in t.ch. Syria and near the parental home, he was professionally killed with a knife in the heart. The ratio is 1 to 12. On the outskirts of Moscow (01.08.2020/XNUMX/XNUMX), in the notorious area near the Tyoply Stan metro station, a crowd of migrants from Central Asia attacked a police squad. The video of the incident caused a wave of indignation on social networks. On Twitter and VKontakte, users are actively discussing the clash between a crowd of angry citizens of Uzbekistan and representatives of Russian law enforcement agenciesa (main - https://pikabu.ru/story/na_okraine_moskvyi_migrantyi_napali_na_naryad_politsii_7626959).
                [i] Yes, finally Someone noticed that there are a lot of THEM (schools) in the classrooms, help is needed for pregnant women, families, etc. But what% of their recipients are native Russians? And about ridiculous pensions, employment of their indigenous, at least the youngest army of unemployed and "young" pre-retirees who may not receive a pension. Works NET, Kwow, we feed with our own money, experience of France, Germany and other Europe - "red" in the near future (considering how they slipped THIS way) will not get drunk? What's next? belay Not funny, when the representative of the Ministry of Internal Affairs invites the CIS embassies to take memares 1 ml.illegal migrants home No. Maybe we will take the experience of caring for OURS in the United Arab Emirates (there is no democracy, but social
                for INDIGENOUS) or Chechnya and Tatarstan? And then, if you REALLY need large specialists on the above "successes" of the guests, except for the ability to "dig or not dig". But, here it's important not a bunch of individuals, citizens of the Russian Federation in many places, more often social networks, the Internet ... But an integral policy based on the work of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB. drinks
                A politician is, of course, KOMU_TO TREND! bully But, but wait NOW, when SUDDENLY "our" Hollande, or the ministers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs - like the Minister of the Interior of France Gerard Colombes, announcing his own resignation due to powerlessness to change the situation: “We still manage to get along [with migrants] side by side. But very soon we will be face to face ... " .....
                The example of France, nevertheless gives HER hope that the recognition of the danger Hollande - 2016, French Minister of the Interior Gerard Colombes - 2018) and a call to action - "... "France is in danger, and our tricolor flag is not just a piece of cloth!" - about it 20 French retired generals and more than a thousand officers announced in the press. In an open letter titled "Return honor to our rulers", they criticized the authorities for inaction and political correctness... Retired generals and officers have voiced what has long been boiling in French society. The security problem is closely related to the flow of migrants to France ( foundation - April 28, 2021, 21:27, Anastasia Popova
                "France is in danger". The generals turned to Macron: //www.vesti.ru/article/2556598
                )
                Where are our champions of honor and conscience, well. they are not dumber than the French! Serve the "elite" at least the patriotic to politely and calmly discuss and launch a real solution to THIS problem at the highest level... Especially if you read on social networks and in the reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB ...

                [b] It's not only a matter of safety, but also of survival
                ... Recently, in connection with Biden's "desire to talk", they recalled one quote about the attitude of the West towards Russia (RI, USSR, RF) - "... They will rest when we are gone! ..." am
                hi
  • Lionnvrsk
    Lionnvrsk April 1 2021 13: 52
    +3
    Quote: rocket757
    Conversations, conversations ... and then what?

    Well, probably talking again.
    "... Not dancing intellectuals without masks - there were five souls - sat in the reading room at a large table and, burying their noses and beards in the newspapers, read, dozed and, in the words of a local correspondent for the capital's newspapers, a very liberal gentleman," thought. " . "
    "I really want to eat, drink, sleep and talk about literature, that is, do nothing and at the same time feel like a decent person."
    yes
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 1 2021 14: 27
      +1
      Again conversations, again about what they did not talk about yesterday, the day before yesterday, and ...
  • iouris
    iouris April 2 2021 10: 59
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    and then what?

    When the time comes, you will be informed (in the part concerning). Until then, there is no idea. Dream!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 2 2021 11: 08
      0
      And to whom did dreams prevent you from simply living?
  • apro
    apro April 1 2021 13: 14
    +5
    The way of life of any nation is determined by its perception of the world and the totality of social meanings and images, on the basis of which the national idea is formed as a function of goal-setting, which determines the image of the future society in which this nation would like to live, and as a goal to strive for.

    The way of life of any nation is determined by the resources of the territory and the possibility of extracting livelihoods from the territory, and everything is imprisoned for this, from fairy tales and proverbs to the organization of society.
    1. lucul
      lucul April 1 2021 20: 00
      -4
      The way of life of any nation is determined by the resources of the territory and the possibility of extracting livelihoods from the territory, and everything is imprisoned for this, from fairy tales and proverbs to the organization of society.

      See the root hi
      In fact, the degree of lack of resources gave birth to the social order.
      The Russians have a unique situation - they have not experienced any restrictions for many centuries. The land was a rampart - a growing son, could always take a girl as a wife, leave his father, and go to the forest to clear a plot for himself and live there FREE until old age. So farms, villages, villages were born. Hence the free mentality.
      Unlike other peoples who lived on a piece of land, and were forced to invent a new and new social system in order to somehow get along in the place.
      1. apro
        apro April 2 2021 03: 37
        0
        Quote: lucul
        The Russians have a unique situation - they have not experienced any restrictions for many centuries.

        Experienced. Is the yield, depending on climatic conditions.
        Quote: lucul
        FREE

        Yes, and with freedom it is not so easy. To resist external threats. Freedom had to be oozed.
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar April 1 2021 13: 15
    +6
    Russian conciliarity was characterized by the exclusive priority of common interests (conciliarity) over individual interests, the obligation of society to protect the interests of the individual, the predominance of unification over division, justice over the law, [/ power over property, service over possession, responsiveness over money-grubbing, this is the essence of Russianness. Community ethics and morality excluded the sacralization of private property, leading to social inequality, while paternalism (sacralization of the leader) was characteristic of Russian conciliarism, combining one-man command and popular trust. The sole leader has always been a symbol of a strong Russian state.

    That is, it is most profitable to be a leader laughing
    At the heart of liberalism is the consumerism of the individual, preaching the absolutization of his freedom and choice in personal interests of any values ​​without any obligations to society, freeing him from all forms of collective identity.

    Try "in the greedy West" by stealing, buy off with greyhound puppies or money - the term will be added for an attempt to bribe)))
    Well, it doesn't give them power over property lol
    1. apro
      apro April 1 2021 13: 19
      +2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      That is, it is most profitable to be a leader

      If they do not shorten it by the head, which happened with the Russians with enviable regularity, by various methods.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 1 2021 13: 24
        +5
        Not only Russians laughing
        Have brites with francs too, and for hello))
        1. apro
          apro April 1 2021 13: 26
          0
          The Britons and the Franks. It was a very long time ago. And not in such quantities. And by and large, there are no leaders. There are administrators.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 1 2021 13: 28
            -1
            And when we have? 103 years ago?
            1. apro
              apro April 1 2021 13: 31
              0
              The assassination attempt on Vilenin, which led to his removal from power, the murder of the IVS Stalin, and the carriage races were not casual.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 1 2021 13: 35
                +3
                About the murder of Stalin and the race on carriages - not provable
                An attempt on Lenin's life is not an execution
                Unlike the assassination of Trotsky, by the way
                1. apro
                  apro April 1 2021 13: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  not provable

                  So the Russian empires also moved away from koli and apoleptic blows.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 1 2021 14: 17
                    +1
                    That is, they died of natural causes
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 April 1 2021 13: 35
            +3
            Quote: apro
            The Britons and the Franks. It was a very long time ago. And not in such quantities. And by and large, there are no leaders. There are administrators.

            Come on, the first French revolution was in the 1790s, all the first leaders were put under the knife. The first Russian revolution after 115 years
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 1 2021 13: 33
        -2
        Quote: apro
        it happened with the Russians with enviable regularity, by various methods.

        Except Nicholas II, like no one?
        1. apro
          apro April 1 2021 13: 35
          +4
          A Peter3 a Pavel1 a Alexander 2
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 1 2021 13: 36
            +2
            Quote: apro
            A Peter3 a Pavel1 a Alexander 2

            Well it's a long time ago, too long ago, though undeniable
          2. Matroskin
            Matroskin April 1 2021 15: 56
            +4
            John Antonovich (Ivan 6) more. I am very worried about these citizens. They seem to be ready-made passion-bearers, but they did not accept them as saints.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day April 1 2021 13: 32
      +2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      That is, it is most profitable to be a leader

      King!
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Try "in the greedy West" by stealing, pay off with greyhound puppies

      So the same liberals! laughing
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 1 2021 13: 35
        +5
        This is what the lack of conciliarity leads to - an honest person is not allowed to steal public goods. am
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 1 2021 13: 37
          +5
          Quote: Krasnodar
          This is what the lack of conciliarity leads to - an honest person is not allowed to steal public goods.

          Yeah! Conclusion - bomb hi
      2. Avior
        Avior April 1 2021 14: 06
        +6
        Quote: Krasnodar
        That is, it is most profitable to be a leader

        King!


        smile
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 1 2021 13: 36
      +5
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Well, it doesn't give them power over property

      fool Maybe "does not prevail" or "does not prevail, does not prevail"?
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 1 2021 14: 20
        +5
        Does not prevail. As soon as the government tries to squeeze out the business, it will change.
        1. lucul
          lucul April 1 2021 20: 01
          -3
          Does not prevail. As soon as the government tries to squeeze out the business, it will change.

          This is not true ))))
          It depends on what layer is in power)))
    4. clerk
      clerk April 1 2021 13: 43
      +5
      ... Try "in the greedy West" by stealing, buy off with greyhound puppies or money - the term will be added for an attempt to bribe)))
      Well, it doesn't give them power over property
      "But the men did not know ...." (c). “The one who stole the loaf will be put in jail. And the one who stole the railroad will be elected to the Senate. " ( Mark Twain).
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 1 2021 14: 21
        +4
        Now they will go to jail - and very quickly))
        1. clerk
          clerk April 1 2021 15: 18
          +1
          ... And the one who stole the railroad will be elected to the Senate. " ( Mark Twain). //////
          Now they will go to jail - and very quickly))
          Widespread myth. Is that a small fry or as a demonstrative victim to the crowd. In general, serious guys are still untouchable.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 1 2021 15: 35
            +2
            Quote: clerk
            ... And the one who stole the railroad will be elected to the Senate. " ( Mark Twain). //////
            Now they will go to jail - and very quickly))
            Widespread myth. Is that a small fry or as a demonstrative victim to the crowd. In general, serious guys are still untouchable.

            laughing
            Premieres, premiere children and presidents - serious boys? So they sat))
            1. clerk
              clerk April 1 2021 16: 01
              +2
              ... Premieres, premiere children and presidents - serious boys? So they sat))
              Do you mean the former prime ministers of the bandustans under the American protectorate? No, these are not serious guys.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 1 2021 16: 09
                +2
                No, I mean the Prime Minister and President of Israel, who overtook Japan in HDI and turns America on his lobby))))
                1. clerk
                  clerk April 1 2021 16: 32
                  +1
                  .No, I mean the Prime Minister and President of Israel, who overtook Japan in HDI and turns America on his lobby))))
                  The Sheriff doesn't care about the local squabbles.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 1 2021 19: 26
                    0
                    Well, from 60 to 80 percent of the American nominal capital is still in bunches of small-town, often paying for the elections for both candidates at once laughing
                    1. clerk
                      clerk April 1 2021 19: 39
                      +1
                      So this is why the Democrats in the SGA are getting rid of jail.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar April 1 2021 20: 49
                        0
                        They are excused from prison in the decaying States and non-partisans - if there is money for a good lawyer, there is no direct evidence, etc.
          2. Revival
            Revival April 1 2021 18: 48
            +2
            Sarkozy completely agree with you
            1. clerk
              clerk April 1 2021 19: 41
              +1
              Sarkozy completely agree with you
              .
              Hopefully. Sarkozy was convicted in a petty case, committed 7 years after leaving the presidency.
              1. Revival
                Revival April 1 2021 23: 35
                0
                Yep ..
                I managed somehow without untouchability
                1. clerk
                  clerk April 1 2021 23: 39
                  +1
                  The President of the Russian Federation, who has terminated the exercise of his powers, may be deprived of immunity by the Federation Council of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation (hereinafter - the Federation Council) only on the basis of an accusation put forward by the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation (hereinafter - the State Duma) of high treason or committing another serious crime , confirmed by the conclusion of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation on the presence in the actions of the President of the Russian Federation, who terminated the exercise of his powers, signs of a crime and
                  1. Revival
                    Revival April 2 2021 10: 53
                    0
                    And not heavy means maybe at least 100 pieces?
                    Normalnenko so
    5. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 1 2021 14: 46
      -2
      Quote: Krasnodar
      Try "in the greedy West" by stealing, buy off with greyhound puppies or money - the term will be added for an attempt to bribe)))

      Fairy tales.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar April 1 2021 15: 33
        +5
        German Deputy Defense Minister resigned after it was discovered that her son had made a free flight on a military plane from Berlin to Hamburg
        Head of the Investigation Department of the Israeli Police Shoot After Learning He Accepted a Bribe
        The son of Prime Minister Sharon went to jail for participating in his father's machinations (Ariel Sharon fell into a coma, so he was not imprisoned)
        The former Prime Minister of Israel was imprisoned
        Former president - jailed
        In short, you didn’t live there, you don’t know, so you may not believe it - somewhere in central Africa they will not believe you either if you say that you haven’t tasted human flesh laughing
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 1 2021 15: 41
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          In short, you didn't live there, you don't know, so you may not believe

          Dadada, what touching stories, though there are others, no less touching:

          “I tell you, the Biden family is corrupt. This is a corrupt family, ”said the head of the White House, speaking to supporters in Georgia.

          In addition, it is no secret to anyone that the Clinton family has been enriched by fabulous bribes. According to The Wall Street Journal, 60 companies, whose interests were promoted by the State Department under the leadership of Hillary, in gratitude "donated" $ 26 million to the Clinton Foundation.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 1 2021 16: 06
            +2
            Of course I have laughing
            Recently, some dean at Harvard was jailed for 25 years.
            For a bribe of $ 5 million he took people to Univer.
            Without a guarantee that you won't fly out if you don't study
            You will also enter Moscow State University for 5 million
            Rubles, only lol
            And you will buy sessions
            This is how one friend of mine told:
            My daughter is 16 years old, I want to leave N-sk, because daughter is 16 years old, and here any 18-year-old will provide certain intimate services to a man for the last, and penultimate, IPhone
            And I would tell him, following your logic:
            And in Geneva, where you are so eager, there are girls who meet with older married men for living in elite apartments and a sporty Mercedes. negative )))))
            1. clerk
              clerk April 1 2021 16: 14
              +1
              .This is how one friend of mine told me: My daughter is 16 years old, I want to leave N-ska, tk. daughter is 16 years old, and here any 18-year-old will provide certain intimate services to a man for the last, and penultimate, IPhone
              For 60-70 thousand rubles? Figassse, the people got drunk laughing
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 1 2021 16: 20
                +1
                Last 120 thousand wink
                I also think - from a really beautiful woman per hour it will cost well 10 thousand laughing
                1. Pilat2009
                  Pilat2009 April 3 2021 11: 13
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  from a really beautiful woman in an hour it will cost well 10 you

                  For the iPhone will cohabit. Now many are looking for a sponsor. There are even sites. That is, it used to be called prostitution, but now it is a relationship
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar April 3 2021 11: 58
                    0
                    Quite right - kept woman.ru and everything like that
            2. clerk
              clerk April 1 2021 16: 28
              +2
              ... Recently, some dean at Harvard was jailed for 25 years.
              For a bribe of $ 5 million he took people to Univer.
              Without a guarantee that you won't fly out if you don't study
              Obviously Poor service. For this you really need to plant.
        2. clerk
          clerk April 1 2021 16: 10
          +5
          German Deputy Defense Minister resigned after it was discovered that her son had made a free flight on a military plane from Berlin to Hamburg
          The head of the Israeli police investigation department shot himself after learning that he had taken a bribe.
          Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. I think the real reasons were much deeper, and it is - a smokescreen for the public. In the end, this boss who had shot himself took a bribe (about which it became known) not for a fake certificate. Most likely there was a whole criminal scheme, in which famous people were tied up and thus simply chopped off the ends. The method is well known. Perhaps the family was paid more
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 1 2021 16: 18
            +1
            No
            It's easier
            A bribe of $ 600 from a rabbi who stole 20 million bins from charitable money.
            Communication with famous people is very difficult to prove (only if you wrote conversations, and they are not suckers either), just when you lose absolutely everything at the peak of your career - there are two ways out.
            Sit and live under a cap, when you will be grabbed by additional money that you may have, working the devil knows who the hell knows where, or leave yourself and forever
            1. clerk
              clerk April 1 2021 16: 30
              +1
              A bribe of $ 600 from a rabbi who stole 20 million bins from charitable money.
              That is, the analysis of greedy scammers outside the system? Not indicative.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar April 1 2021 16: 57
                0
                There is no system as such
        3. lucul
          lucul April 1 2021 20: 03
          -2
          In short, you didn't live there, you don't know, so you may not believe

          How often were the Rothschilds imprisoned? ))))
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 2 2021 14: 06
            0
            Quote: lucul
            In short, you didn't live there, you don't know, so you may not believe

            How often were the Rothschilds imprisoned? ))))

            Are they officials?
        4. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 2 2021 03: 13
          0
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Head of the Investigation Department of the Israeli Police Shoot After Learning He Accepted a Bribe

          By the way, maybe they helped him?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar April 2 2021 14: 09
            0
            He was the only person involved
            All his subordinates were promoted
            Ordered them to close the case against the rabbi
    6. lucul
      lucul April 1 2021 19: 52
      -2
      That is, it is most profitable to be a leader

      It all depends on which layer is in power - alpha males (prestige) or gamma males (money) in power in the country.
      EVERYTHING dances from this stove.
  • tatra
    tatra April 1 2021 13: 22
    +9
    Just don’t weave religion. Religion should, as in the USSR, be separated from the State - whoever wants, let him go to church and pray. And Russians are also different, and all Russian supporters of the USSR are russophiles, and all Russian opponents of the USSR are russophobes. Because it is an axiom that the USSR is the best state, both for the development of the country, and for the majority of the Russian people, except for criminals, parasites on the neck of the people, those for whom imports and counterfeits for Soviet products are more expensive than the good of their country and people and millions the lives of their fellow citizens, what was RI, and became the Russian Federation.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 1 2021 13: 26
      +2
      Quote: tatra
      Because it is an axiom that the USSR is the best state, both for the development of the country and for the majority of the Russian people.

      if it were an axiom, then it would not have to be regularly repeated and proved.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 1 2021 13: 35
        +5
        Quote: Flood
        then it would not have to be repeated and proven regularly.

        Life proves .... by the popularity of Stalin, see
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 1 2021 14: 41
          -5
          Quote: Silvestr
          Life proves .... by the popularity of Stalin, see

          life is different from the slogans you love to talk with, Silvestr
          where does Stalin have to do with it?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 1 2021 20: 00
            +1
            Quote: Flood
            where does Stalin have to do with it?

            In the sense where? Stalin was recognized as the best leader of the state in the West. Soviet space, education, medicine and social services were also recognized as the best at that time in the world. It is your power to strive to spoil all this, saying that we only let out galoshes. All this is done with one intent - to prove to the electorate that it is better now. A cheap example of populism that no longer works.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding April 1 2021 20: 37
              0
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Stalin was recognized as the best leader of the state in the West.

              Have I ever disputed this fact?
              1.
              Quote: tatra
              And Russians are also different, and all Russian supporters of the USSR are russophiles, and all Russian opponents of the USSR are russophobes

              2.
              Quote: Flood
              if it were an axiom, then it would not have to be regularly repeated and proved.

              3.
              Quote: Silvestr
              Life proves .... by the popularity of Stalin, see

              the citizen in his usual manner wrote something in a poster style, but others answer the questions for him
              the main thing is to write something with which it is inconvenient to argue. for example "the sky is blue"

              where to look at the popularity of Stalin?
              where does Russophobia have to do with it?

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              It is your power to strive to spoil all this, saying that we only let out galoshes.

              And you go there for Sylvester?
              Scallop with slogans.
              This power is as much mine as yours.
              Change one word and keep writing yourself reproaches and reproaches about your own power.
      2. tatra
        tatra April 1 2021 13: 40
        +2
        If it was not an axiom, then people like you would have refuted -proved that the Republic of Ingushetia or the Russian Federation is the best state for Russia and the majority of the Russian people. Otherwise, you can write it a million times, and the enemies of the communists will rush to "refute" it with malice against the USSR a million times, which only prove that they are not capable of proving that the Republic of Ingushetia or the Russian Federation is better than the USSR.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 1 2021 14: 43
          0
          Quote: tatra
          If it were NOT an axiom, then people like you would have refuted -proved that the Republic of Ingushetia or the Russian Federation is the best state for Russia and the majority of the Russian people

          you would have bothered to start to find out the opponent's point of view, and only then pour out the prepared tub of slops
          what "like me"?
          Why did you suddenly enroll me in the ranks of the enemies of the USSR?
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 1 2021 16: 59
          -2
          Quote: tatra
          If it was not an axiom, then people like you would have refuted -proved that the Republic of Ingushetia or the Russian Federation is the best state for Russia and the majority of the Russian people. Otherwise, you can write it a million times, and the enemies of the communists will rush to "refute" it with malice against the USSR a million times, which only prove that they are not capable of proving that the Republic of Ingushetia or the Russian Federation is better than the USSR.

          Once again, the proletarian has no homeland. Read the classics of communism. The CPSU was called communist, but they were socialists - they strayed too far from Marxism
          1. lucul
            lucul April 1 2021 17: 06
            -4
            Once again, the proletarian has no homeland.

            Maybe he is not a man at all, this proletarian? )))
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar April 1 2021 19: 24
              0
              Die arbeiter haben kein vaterland
              The proletarian has no homeland
              Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Communist Manifesto
              Teach the classics of Marxism. laughing Moreover, this work is basic.
              1. lucul
                lucul April 1 2021 19: 32
                -3
                Teach the classics of Marxism

                I am not a Marxist.
                Secondly, time has proved the fallacy of the rantings of Marx, for whom the proletarian is, in fact, a freed slave.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar April 1 2021 20: 11
                  +1
                  Not at all - the proletarian for Marx had to free himself from his shackles, become the master of the instruments of production and, increasing labor productivity, throwing out the capitalist as unnecessary, raise his standard of living and prosper in a just society
                  1. lucul
                    lucul April 1 2021 20: 12
                    +1
                    throwing out the capitalist as unnecessary

                    Here I will support.
                    The capitalist exists thanks to the lending interest. Ban the lending interest and everything will change.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar April 1 2021 20: 47
                      -2
                      And what will change? laughing
                      Again Soviet socialism, when a Moscow engineer lives worse than a cleaning lady in a village in the FRG?
                2. Illanatol
                  Illanatol April 8 2021 14: 08
                  0
                  Has not proven.
                  Classical slaves in the ancient world could even have their own slaves - but still remained slaves.
                  It's just that real proletarians in our time are not so-called. "developed country", and in the countries of the "third world", where most of the production moved.
                  The class principle has partly gone from the national level to the supranational, global one. In the modern world there are bourgeois nations, proletarian nations and lumpen nations. The reformers promised our citizens that we would enter the elite club of bourgeois nations, but we became "Honduras".
                  Well, that was the idea of ​​their western curators.
      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 1 2021 13: 49
        +7
        Quote: Flood
        if it were an axiom, then it would not have to be regularly repeated and proved.

        What are you talking about? Let's not talk about axioms and proofs. The moral code, the commandments say one thing, but the liberal regime proves to us exactly the opposite. And there is no need to raise taxes for the rich (we must continue to "tear three skins" from the poor. And thieves don’t need to cut their hands. And the murderers must be kept until they realize it. And it is not recommended to step on the rake ...
        It is the "new" bourgeois society that shows once again to what limits the acquisitiveness and filthiness of the possessors can reach. They stop at nothing. This is an axiom. This is the very opposition of the people's power.
        There is no Russian idea today. Etched and clogged. Repeat or not? I repeat:
        The villains who robbed the people gathered, they recruited soldiers, judges to guard their orgy, and they feast. The people have nothing more to do than, using the passions of these people, to lure back the loot from them.

        They came up with a Russian idea ... Is equality of the law for everyone, regardless of the situation, not suitable? And does not suit the harsh punishment for crimes (so that others do not know it) instead of patting on the shoulder? And the limitation of government payments to a reasonable size (in the multiplicity of the minimum wage) does not attract?
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 1 2021 14: 45
          -1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Let's not talk about axioms

          this is not for me. I am an opponent of axioms.
          the world is not black and white.
      4. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets April 1 2021 15: 22
        +6
        Quote: Flood
        if it were an axiom, then it would not have to be regularly repeated and proved.

        Just compare the economic indicators of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR and the Russian Federation.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 1 2021 15: 29
          -3
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          Just compare the economic indicators of the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR and the Russian Federation.

          stop kindergarten
          the teacher is tired
          what are you doing now?
          prove!
          and each of you has your own set of ready-made evidence
          and there is no need to prove the axiom
          because it is an axiom
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            1. Flooding
              Flooding April 1 2021 16: 06
              -4
              The answering machine is talking to you.
              The subscriber is now out of the access zone.
              You can leave a message for him.
            2. Flooding
              Flooding April 1 2021 16: 14
              0
              Okay. You will misinterpret the joke anyway.
              Let me explain. You need to prove yourself constantly. The ideological struggle does not stop even for a moment. And we can see on any near-political talk-show how seemingly obvious things have to be explained.
              This is a given, which is not only stupid, but also dangerous to dismiss.
              There are no axioms in the world of politics and ideas. You must be ready at any time to prove your rightness or wrongness of the enemy.
              This is a battle for minds.
              The results of which I personally consider, to put it mildly, unsatisfactory.
              Precisely because you cannot rest on your laurels. You can not stay in a softened state.
              "This is an axiom!" - we say.
              "do you want to talk? ok! come to our universities and study" - say the enemies
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 1 2021 20: 13
                0
                Quote: Flood
                You need to prove yourself constantly. The ideological struggle does not stop even for a moment.

                Are you here for the idea? Let us then clarify what you mean by this word. According to my observations, you are not very aggressive, unlike some, but one way or another "drown" for the current government. And from "drowners" for the power smells of money, but not an idea. Sorry.
                And the person wrote to you correctly - any statements of the opponent must be refuted, and not require proof. The opposite is just a cheap political technology trick, described in sufficient detail in the Catechism of Jews in the USSR.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding April 1 2021 20: 44
                  0
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  According to my observations, you are not very aggressive, unlike some, but one way or another "drown" for the current government.

                  and you are observant.
                  taking this opportunity, I ask you to give examples of this
                  you can do it, right?
                  tooda and continue
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  I'm sorry.

                  as soon as you confirm your accusations against me
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  And the person wrote to you correctly - any statements of the opponent must be refuted, and not require proof

                  Quote: ivan2022
                  But whoever demands to prove what has been proven, let us ask him to prove it himself; what did he want to prove?

                  i broke on this sentence
                  and it turns out that everything is correct
                  who studied what
                  what is wrong with me?
                  point by point, thesis
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 April 1 2021 22: 42
                    +1
                    Quote: Flood
                    you can do it, right?

                    You absolutely always act as an opponent of those who criticize the authorities, and are practically not noticed yourself in criticizing them, although there are plenty of reasons. It's easy to test this by spending half an hour studying your comments.
                    Quote: Flood
                    i broke on this sentence

                    No need to break. According to the rules of dialogue, the burden of refutation / proof lies with the disputing party.
                    By the way, you have not voiced the essence of your idea. wink What incentive moves you personally, at least here, on VO?
                    And yes, if it doesn't bother you, answer, what are your political views? wink
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding April 2 2021 00: 26
                      -1
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      You absolutely always act as an opponent of those who criticize the authorities, and are practically not noticed yourself in criticizing them, although there are plenty of reasons. It's easy to test this by spending half an hour studying your comments.

                      - Once again, I ask you to give specific examples of criticizing opponents. Will you be so kind. This will be very illustrative.
                      I will explain what kind of clarity I mean.
                      - You do not notice very simple, but extremely important things. Behind the form, you lose content. Criticism for the sake of criticism, ecstasy with criticism, critical delight.
                      Pay attention to the actions of some of your associates. Here are two sure weapons of critics, their brass knuckles and a stranglehold:
                      - The written critineram does not contain any depth, but it necessarily contains keywords and phrases. These are the symbols by which you identify each other. They are the same labels on the forehead of dissent.
                      "zaputinets", "146%", "kremlebot", etc.
                      This is brass knuckles. To muffle a non-agreeable person at once and bezpovorotno, so that he did not have time to utter a word.
                      - The stranglehold for critics is a special technique of pulling the opponent into a knowingly losing position. Example? I have already demonstrated it to you. When, in a seemingly common situation in a civilized discussion, requiring the arguments and arguments of the parties, something like
                      Quote: Silvestr
                      Life proves .... by the popularity of Stalin, see

                      And that's all. Do not expect any more thoughts from the citizen. This is the peak of logic, personal Chomolungma. And just try to object that we are not talking about Stalin at all.
                      Companions of the conqueror of Everest are attacking. Which, in turn, without going into the details of the correspondence (after all, you need to read the branch and delve into it) begin to grab the unfortunate by the heels.
                      And this is what you call criticism of the authorities.
                      And I am ashamed to look at this pitiful sight. And it is not surprising that the government flourishes with such opponents.
                      You personally, Ingvar 72, re-read yourself sometimes.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      practically not noticed themselves in criticism thereof, although there are plenty of reasons

                      Does the hair on your head move towards you?
                      Review the movie "Tomorrow Was War"
                      The same people like you wrote anonymous letters "are not noticed in the criticism of bourgeois values."
                      And do you expect that decent people will huddle together with you and rush at dissidents with shouts of "Crucify him!"?

                      I have a completely different idea of ​​a normal society and a healthy social position.
                      In my view in society, you need to look for points of contact with each other, strengthen collectivism, restore trust and respect for each other.
                      If the authorities and the elite do not deserve this, then ordinary citizens deserve it.
                      But what are you doing? You drive in new wedges, paint new markers. There are few disagreements for us.
                      And often you do it unreasonably, without even bothering to understand the position of the interlocutor.
                      After that, inflated with pride in yourself (and what, we are at war with Putin) teach others about life.
                      1. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 April 2 2021 20: 39
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        They are the same labels on the forehead of dissent.
                        "zaputinets", "146%", "kremlebot", etc.
                        And it is not unreasonable that the majority here defend power for money. I see something else around me, this is a universal dissatisfaction with the authorities.
                        The same is true on the part of these idividuals. The label "navalnyata" is glued to everyone indiscriminately, who dare to be outraged by injustice.
                        Quote: Flood
                        The same people like you wrote anonymous letters "are not noticed in the criticism of bourgeois values

                        Eck you wrote me down as a snitch! laughing I haven’t even written a single complaint about VO about anyone, but here you are with your presentations. wassat
                        Quote: Flood
                        In my view in society, you need to look for points of contact with each other

                        Who should look for these points with whom, and what is the purpose? For Putin? For Derepaska and the Rotenbergs?
                        Quote: Flood
                        And often you do it unreasonably, without even bothering to understand the position of the interlocutor.

                        Sound it out, without extra water. And then "I have two of them, the third is on the way ..."
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding April 2 2021 22: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        The same is true on the part of these idividuals. The label "navalnyata" is glued to everyone indiscriminately, who dare to be outraged by injustice

                        what is it about. I do not see much difference between the one and the other. And the third, however, too. If the methods are the same.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Sound it, without extra water

                        Do you know what's curious?
                        Whatever I wrote would make no difference. Much more important is what is written in more than 4 thousand messages.
                        For me personally, it is not difficult to roughly understand the position of a person from his comments.
                        Am I really that "unreadable" myself?
                      3. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 April 3 2021 08: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Flood
                        Am I really that "unreadable" myself?

                        The fact of the matter is that they are readable. And as far as I see it, you are a latent intruder (forgive me for the stereotyped label).
                        When asked directly about your political views and the essence of the idea, in which you see the salvation of the country, you again pour water. Yes, these are questions of identification of friend / foe, but they are simple and straightforward. And absolutely NORMAL.
                      4. Flooding
                        Flooding April 3 2021 08: 28
                        -1
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        And as far as I see it, you are a latent intruder

                        what can I advise you?
                        there are options
                        change diopters
                        go to a specialist in the human psyche
                        do self-education
                        I am not interested in the opinion of an employee of Siguransa
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        When asked directly about your political views and the essence of the idea, in which you see the salvation of the country, you again pour water. Yes, these are questions of identification of friend / foe, but they are simple and straightforward.

                        don't deprive me of the right to ignore your unhealthy interest
              2. Flooding
                Flooding April 2 2021 00: 39
                -1
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                According to the rules of dialogue, the burden of refutation / proof lies with the challenging party.

                what was I supposed to argue out of that wild unreadable sentence?
                do you understand at all what was discussed before?
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                By the way, you have not voiced the essence of your idea.

                I have two ideas. and the third is on the way.
                what name are you interested in?
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                What incentive moves you personally, at least here, on VO?

                answer my request
                Quote: Flood
                what is wrong with me?
                point by point, thesis

                and I will reciprocate
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                And yes, if it doesn't bother you, answer, what are your political views?

                Are you seriously? instead of discussing on the forum created for this, do you arrange interrogations and checks on your / someone else's? Have you played enough of soldiers as a child?
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 April 1 2021 13: 39
    +3
    I also want to say, what is such a great Russian idea, if the social system changed at least 3 times. And each system had its own idea. People are simply forcibly imposed these same ideas so that they think less
  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 1 2021 14: 47
    +6
    Quote: tatra
    Just don’t weave religion. Religion should, as in the USSR

    I applaud!
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze April 1 2021 13: 27
    +13
    The author scooped up information about liberalism, neoliberalism and their development from tilivisor. I hate neoliberals, but I am not ready to exchange my freedom for the pleasure of living under the tsar. We must make a difference between the word "liberalism" in 1375 and now, although even Shakespeare practiced writing about "liberal villains" in his plays. So the topic is, so to speak, banal and shabby. And after Shakespeare, other authors somehow fade.

    Although .... the public is at the same level to accept that liberalism is a thirst for wealth and etim to justify the Russian paradise on Earth, for three hundred dollars a month. bully

    Actually, the author does not find out how, instead of a just society, Russia has neo-feudal power when the dollar collapses and Yellowstone explodes.

    PS Author, did Samsonov bite you?
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 1 2021 13: 38
      +1
      In Russia, a different government is not neo-feudal.
      In short, you won't die, everything is in your hands, but if you get caught or stick out strongly, you are on your own
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 1 2021 20: 14
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        In Russia, a different government is not neo-feudal.

        Colonial.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 1 2021 20: 54
          0
          Chabad of Lubavitch, the Rothschilds and the granddaughter of the Antichrist - Barbara Streisand, as well as the niece of Eina, Ksenia Sobchak, nee Kogan-Tsiferblat-Shlagbaum, the founder of the Institute of Daughters of the Orthodox Pope negative
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 1 2021 22: 35
            +1
            And then Ostap suffered .....
    2. tatra
      tatra April 1 2021 13: 45
      +4
      Liberalism is another lie of the enemies of the communists. There is no complete freedom in society. And the freedom of someone limits the freedom of another. And those to whom Gorbachev gave freedom of speech and action have been proving for 30 years that they are not worthy of any freedom.
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze April 1 2021 14: 28
        +3
        Liberalism is another lie of the enemies of the communists


        Dear Irina, it is not for nothing that I wrote the year - 1375 ... this is the first written mention of liberalism. And then there were no communists in sight ... wink

        There is no complete freedom in society. And the freedom of someone limits the freedom of another.


        But with this I agree 100%. If we accept that restriction is a law and it is fair, then it will be good and I welcome such liberalism. Then there is no violation of personal freedom. Otherwise, people rebel and overthrow the law. Ever since the days of Hamurappi, the law has been the rule of a strong day. Nothing more. This is not a "sacred cow" but the beginning of the power to subjugate you. Sometimes people take care of the laws, sometimes they don't, but the government always roars that the laws that it has written for itself are sacred and inviolable.

        And if there is chaos, wars, impoverishment, and everything is created by "neoliberalism", which has reigned supreme over the past 40 years, then this must be changed.

        PS I gave you a plus sign, because you don't deserve disapproval - it's just a pleasant conversation.
    3. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko April 1 2021 15: 04
      +4
      PS Author, did Samsonov bite you?
      Samsonovshchina, transmitted by airborne droplets laughing
  • New Year day
    New Year day April 1 2021 13: 27
    +5
    I thought Prokhanov read, looked - Apukhtin.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 1 2021 13: 39
      +5
      Yes, inspired by "Tomorrow" laughing
  • New Year day
    New Year day April 1 2021 13: 30
    +6
    ... the priority of common interests (conciliarity) over individual interests, the duty of society to protect the interests of the individual, the predominance of unification over division, justice over the law, power over property, service over possession, responsiveness over money-grubbing,

    What is not.
    Putin has said more than once: "Do not rely on the state," and he has done and is doing it. What, then, to do with the Russian national idea?
    1. apro
      apro April 1 2021 13: 33
      +4
      Quote: Silvestr
      What, then, to do with the Russian national idea?

      Be clear to begin with.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day April 1 2021 13: 39
        +6
        Quote: apro
        Be clear to begin with.

        Who can articulate if the "formulator" is a liberal?
        1. apro
          apro April 1 2021 13: 41
          +2
          Quote: Silvestr
          Who can articulate if the "formulator" is a liberal?

          Sylvester, and what else is there no one else? The Russians are left?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 1 2021 13: 43
            +7
            Quote: apro
            that there is no one besides him? the Russians are left?

            They stayed, but they were driven under the plinth. Power is separate, people are separate. Tereshkova - does not count
            1. apro
              apro April 1 2021 13: 44
              -1
              Quote: Silvestr
              but they were driven under the plinth

              Are you under the skirting board?
              1. New Year day
                New Year day April 1 2021 13: 45
                +5
                Quote: apro
                Are you under the skirting board?

                If such speeches are considered a threat to the authorities, then yes. I see that the authorities do not want to do anything or cannot. Write against the wind - wet your pants. The power itself will do what conciliarity wants.
                By the way, Ukrainians are also for collegiality. Therefore, it is necessary to understand, is it necessary or not? To each!
      2. kepmor
        kepmor April 1 2021 13: 49
        +1
        we have been trying to formulate everything for centuries ...
        for another 100 years, we’ll try and formulate it unnecessarily ... there’s no one for anyone ...
        in all successful and stable countries "the state for the good of man" ...
        when onIborot - "a person for the good of the state", then either sucks with stagnation, or a series of revolutions with a mess ... well, at best, the tsar with the boyars for life ...


        1. Illanatol
          Illanatol April 8 2021 13: 59
          0
          And I know this man! His name is Rothschild, or maybe Rockefeller.
          All this is PR and propaganda. Western inhabitants for the local elite are the same cattle, albeit more sleek and well-fed.
          Successful these countries became at the expense of others, like the once Roman Empire. And there are obvious problems with stability lately. The buns for the cattle began to run out and the class world began to crack.
  • unaha
    unaha April 1 2021 13: 40
    +7
    "The Russian people, like no other, are passionate, they are a victorious people and cannot serve" - ​​a dying out passionary victor. The author, you should not transfer your own complexes to other citizens.
    1. tatra
      tatra April 1 2021 13: 48
      +4
      The Russian revolt is "senseless and merciless" because the Russians endure to the last, and then explode, and "whoever did not hide, we are not to blame."
  • New Year day
    New Year day April 1 2021 13: 53
    +7
    education of a citizen responsible for their country and a new generation of the ruling class

    It touches! Is it proposed to re-educate children from the "golden youth"? And if not them, but new children, then what to do with the "old" children? Sand, Zolotov, etc.? Smacks of revolution request
  • Niko
    Niko April 1 2021 14: 03
    +7
    Delirium, and dangerous for others. (And the word "liberalism" acquires more and more meanings depending on the fantasies of those who use it)
  • Matroskin
    Matroskin April 1 2021 14: 12
    +10
    Damn, what is this nonsense. How tired you are with your solidarity a la Duce. What a convenient idea with this national exclusivity and you don't need to invent anything, substitute only the necessary names (there are many nations), and most importantly
    The image of the future should be formed under the influence of traditional values ​​inherent in this national community and conservation the established way of life.
    You need this spiritual justice only to explain to the people that there in heaven we are all equal (posthumous justice), they say, do not pay attention to who privatized the state, we are all Russians, believe and do not ask questions. Obscurantism is your foundation, not science. Own - this is the cornerstone to which you cling, under the cries of patriotism, strength and spirituality. You worry about the undergrowth of your owners, to whom this privatized property is already inherited. For some reason I am sure that nifiga will not come out in the information age.
    1. unaha
      unaha April 1 2021 14: 28
      +5
      "Obscurantism is your foundation, not science" - moreover, it is also ineffective, consolidating the backwardness and archaism of society. But ideas are extremely useful for "shepherds".
    2. New Year day
      New Year day April 1 2021 14: 36
      +4
      Quote: Matroskin
      Ownership is the cornerstone you cling to, with cries of patriotism

      Pancake! Well, you can't do that for patriots! They hide it like that, and all of you in the light of day.
      I remember, in my opinion, Saltykov-Shchedrin: if they shouted about patriotism, then they have stolen or are going to steal. I apologize for the free retelling
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko April 1 2021 14: 59
        +8
        "Something hurts patriotism pushing, probably stealing"
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 1 2021 15: 06
          +4
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          “Something hurts patriotism pushing, probably stealing

          Thank you hi
      2. Matroskin
        Matroskin April 1 2021 15: 08
        +8
        Yes, you can talk with quotes from Saltykov-Shchedrin, I like this in the context of the article.))
        “… He prayed not because he loved God and hoped to enter into communion with him through prayer, but because he was afraid of the devil and hoped that God would deliver him from the evil one. He knew many prayers, and especially perfectly learned the technique of prayer standing. That is, he knew when to move his lips and roll his eyes, when to fold his hands inward and when to hold them up, when to be touched and when to stand decorously, making the signs of the cross. which the prayer practice indicated to him. But prayer did not renew him, did not enlighten his feelings, did not bring any ray into his dim existence. He could pray and do all the necessary body movements - and at the same time look out the window and notice if someone is coming without asking for the cellar, etc. " Lord guardians, please do not forbid the classics))
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 1 2021 14: 13
    +11
    The Russian people, like no other, are passionate ...

    Throw you these anglicisms and other rubbish. For what specific purpose can the population be activated today? A population destined to work for food to death. The population, which only the stake on the head is not amused ...
    ... he is a victorious people and cannot serve.

    As much as you can. For a decent reward, some "prostitutes" throw away such tricks. But let's put aside the vulgarity. Take a look at how the service industry and trade have transformed. What dramatic changes have taken place in two decades ...
    Sovereignty is one of the main features of the Russian character. He needs victories like air, and he is ready for a lot in the name of an exciting idea.

    It is a pity that in the name of victories (and awards), many can sacrifice their conscience, and honor, and the state flag, and the anthem, and the country's symbols and paraphernalia. And some are even ashamed of military uniforms.
    And for this need strong meaningscapable of lifting it and leading it forward.

    What the fuck do you mean, I'm sorry? (How the fuck, I apologize, understand?)
    Strong meanings? Or maybe real values, great plans and ideas, meaningful actions and deeds, the right purpose? It's too bad for me to comprehend all these strong meanings. One "Wit" comes to mind:
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik April 1 2021 14: 33
    +5
    I would argue about the solidarity of the Russian nation.
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko April 1 2021 14: 50
    +7
    Yuri Apukhtin, and I thought Samsonov. Lecture on the topic: "Fruitful opening idea" The subject of my lecture is a fruitful opening idea. What is a debut, comrades, and what is an idea, comrades? The debut, comrades, is quasi una fantasia. And what does an idea mean, comrades? An idea, comrades, is a human thought clothed in a logical chess form. Even with negligible strength, you can master the entire board. It all depends on each individual individually. "(C) laughing
  • bk0010
    bk0010 April 1 2021 16: 07
    +3
    Russian conciliarity was characterized by the exclusive priority of common interests (conciliarity) over individual interests.
    Something is imperceptible, especially at the top.
    Orthodoxy was the basis of the morality and culture of Russian society
    Seriously?
  • ivan2022
    ivan2022 April 1 2021 16: 07
    0
    The "Russian Dream" is what, according to the "Tale of Bygone Years" (Fr. Nestor, late 11th-early 12th centuries), led the Slavic tribes from the Danube to the forests and steppes of our vast homeland. Hunt, catch fish, without obligation to fuck your fill ........ Holy Reverend Nestor - oh, how cool he described all this! All the same that our people want today, if they have achieved a "position in society." Well, then, get the hell out of it! For one cannot deal with the "peculiarities of national recreation" ad infinitum. As the hero of the Soviet feature film "The Marriage of Balzaminov (based on the plays by A. Ostrovsky)?"
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar April 1 2021 20: 59
      -1
      The Russian dream is to make money, to have time to bring them abroad in order to fulfill the American dream fellow
      Joking is good government work with a budget.
      1. Until Ger
        Until Ger April 1 2021 21: 04
        -1
        fellow No kidding...
        This is your ... uh
        of the people ...
        such a dream.
        Make money and take out
        them abroad ...
        To their historical homeland.
        You're in Russia
        What are you doing ?
        A rhetorical question.... laughing
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar April 1 2021 21: 36
          0
          fellow Only just stopped the import of money from the West to the Russian Federation lol I hope it will fight back fellow
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn April 1 2021 19: 35
    +1
    There is no national idea! She died after 1991 and the arrival of capitalism. Only the strongest and fittest survive. Russia has no future with such an approach. A third-rate power with an atomic bomb. We will gradually lose this too.
  • Financier
    Financier April 2 2021 00: 19
    +4
    I read it. I didn't understand anything, but it was interesting. laughing
  • Graduate student
    Graduate student April 7 2021 00: 39
    +5
    Attempts by the Russian elite in different historical periods to integrate Russia into Western civilization have always ended in failure

    It did not fail, but acquired a Russian look. For example, Peter's reforms. It seems that Peter reformed the country in a Western manner, but the reforms all took on a Russian look.
    1. Illanatol
      Illanatol April 8 2021 13: 54
      0
      In what?
      The fact that our elite began to look like "Nenasha", began to speak a foreign language and treat their fellow tribesmen like British colonialists - with blacks?
      Peter's reforms turned the country into a kind of fascist dictatorship, where most of the population turned into "Untermensch". And the country itself has become a cash cow and cannon fodder for Western partners.
  • Illanatol
    Illanatol April 8 2021 13: 49
    0
    Only a single nation can have a national idea.
    But United Russia exists only in the name of the dominant political party.
    As long as in our country there are, in fact, two nations with different value systems and mentality on the same territory, there will be no national idea. Only a simulacrum tortured by the Kremlin ideologists.
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