"Flight mission completed": Military transport Il-112V made its second flight

The promising Russian military transport aircraft Il-112V for the second time in its stories rose to the sky in Voronezh. The flight took place from the airfield of the Voronezh Aircraft Building Association (VASO).

The plane reportedly took off at 11:35 Moscow time. time. The plane was piloted by a crew consisting of chief pilot of PJSC "Il", 1st class test pilot, Hero of Russia Nikolai Kuimov, 1st class test pilot Dmitry Komarov, 1st class test flight engineer Nikolai Khludeev.

During the flight, the operating modes of the power plant, the stability and controllability of the aircraft, and the operation of its main systems were checked. The flight lasted about 30 minutes and went on as usual. According to the crew commander, the flight mission was completed.

Recall that the first flight of the IL-112V prototype intended for flight tests took place exactly two years ago - on March 30, 2019. The plane took off and made three flight circles with a simulated landing. After the first flight, the Il-112V was improved. In particular, the weight of the aircraft was reduced by about two tons, and improvements were made to the main systems of the aircraft.

The second flight was scheduled for April 2020, but was postponed for several reasons, including the reconstruction of the runway and the coronavirus.

Light military transport turboprop aircraft Il-112V is created for replacement in the transport aviation An-26 and An-24 aircraft, whose resource will soon be exhausted. The aircraft is the first developed from scratch in Russia, work has been ongoing since 2014. Designed for transportation of military personnel, military equipment, various types of weapons and other goods. The carrying capacity is 5 tons, the flight range is 5 thousand km, the aircraft is able to land and take off from unpaved airfields.

Comments

[Irokez]

After the first flight, the Il-112V was improved. In particular, the weight of the aircraft was reduced by about two tons.

Two tons, not sickly however. Surely, you can still optimize a little, but this will happen over time, but right now it needs to be launched into production.

[xorek]

Well, let's see what kind of "airplane" it is ... I hope it is repairable in the field, etc. ? And then they will stuff it with all sorts of rubbish and report

[persimmon ufimtsev]

It's not easy to report to the military until you adjust all the performance characteristics to the task

[Clear]

The flight lasted about 30 minutes and went on as usual.

Grow up, for the glory of Russia, "baby"!
Moreover, very handsome.

[figwam]

The troops need such an aircraft.

[seregin-s1]

At the end of the 1st minute of the video, there are two yellow planes. Does anyone know what this is?

[turishev]

Yellow - this is AN-148 in color Saratov Airlines / took away the license / 3 more aircraft and 5 Il-96Ts in another parking lot - / not needed by anyone / I live next to VASO so I know

[seregin-s1]

Thanks for the info!!

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Cute and very the desired plane. Friends have always said that all IL aircraft are very well thought out and easy to maintain. I wonder how this birdie is?

[Zaurbek]

I flew on such a yellow from the city of Orsk to Moscow ... a month later it crashed

[smart ass]

A good workhorse turned out

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Clever man

A good workhorse turned out

An-26-28?
And it has not yet worked out, but in development.

[Mikle2000]

while still to the level of An-26 toil and work

[bayard]

Quote: Irokez

Two tons, not sickly however.

They just overweight it initially as much as 2,5 - 3 tons, so this is not yet its final version, but a revised and lightweight first copy. But the one that will be assembled from scratch should already fully fit into the weight. Let's wait for the second board.
And the engines also raise a question - how reliable they will show themselves, this is also important for the IL-114.

[Castro Ruiz]

Kde to chital shto peretiazheli na 5t a ne 3t.

[bayard]

Quote: CastroRuiz

na 5t

Vraki. Overweight by 2,5 tons.
In the terms of reference, the carrying capacity was 5 - 5,5 tons, on the first sample the carrying capacity turned out to be only 2,5 tons - that's the whole calculation. You have correctly confused 5 tons of carrying capacity with overweight.

[Castro Ruiz]

Da translation. Thank you for fixing.

[loki565]

How to calculate with weight? Or did they initially plan to install foreign parts, and then decided to substitute import and ours turned out to be more difficult?

[bayard]

Initially, they were not even going to build it - so, they blinded the project for a competition, the winner of which had already been chosen - KB them. Antonov. Here's Antonovsky and they were going to build under a license, but ... 2014 came with a coup in Nezalezhnaya and had to get the Ilyushin Design Bureau project from the dusty shelf ... even without checking the weight discipline. So they built the first sample ...
And then they began to refine / facilitate. And so that no one would rush and a convincing reason - immediately after the first flight, the runway was dismantled for reconstruction in Voronezh.
But now something seems to have worked out. At No. 3, weight discipline must be fully observed and the coveted 5 tons of carrying capacity will be obtained.
If only the engines did not fail - they are also new ... in this modification.

[VO3A]

You have forgotten the yellow-bellied leading leader with a well-known surname, who was in charge of all this .... and organized this whole circus .... And gave a shit at the first opportunity.
But what about prototyping, blowing, weight distribution ... I think that everything is still ahead and unpleasant surprises too ...

[nov_tech.vrn]

For experts and analysts, Rogozin Jr. at the plant has proven himself well, but an effective manager from Taganrog has done a lot of harm after him.

[VO3A]

The plane turned out to be "SHIT", and he proved himself well? Cool ! What else can we talk about? Or was he just eating up there?

[nov_tech.vrn]

Andrey judges by himself. Everyone knows the parable of the bee and the fly.

[smart ass]

It turns out thanks to Ukraine for the plane?

[bayard]

Thank you for what? If a coup had not happened, Ukrainian aircraft would have been built under license and in cooperation. And now they have lost 112 years on this Il-10 (another three years for fine-tuning and launching into series).
Or thanks for the aviation engines to Ukraine?
Which are not there or are they doing through the stump-deck?
It was necessary in 2014 to return their lands to their native harbor in full force, and not just Crimea.

[VO3A]

Have you been on SUPERjet for 15 years, also lost because of Ukraine? They killed the Tu-334 and began to cut money, led by Poghosyan ... Then they killed all our allies with the help of European friends ... And now he teaches this to others ... how to fly in our country on the European "shit" ... Where landing for treason? Until now, we cannot disentangle it ... Losses of tens of billions of dollars! Who lobbied, who signed? Everything is there, everything is on the surface ... Who was against it, they broke it over the knee and threw it out of the aviation ... Well, just like Yakovlev before the war, to shove your raw shit ... Polikarpov into the grave, but the coffins of Koganovich's son-in-law can be ... History teaches nothing ...

[bayard]

History teaches only that it does not teach anyone anything. Especially in our reality.
Losses from the unresolved "Ukrainian issue" in 2014 have already reached at least a trillion dollars. cumulatively. And the disrupted programs of rearmament of the Navy and Aerospace Forces.

[loki565]

Have you been on SUPERjet for 15 years, also lost because of Ukraine? They killed the Tu-334 and began to cut money, led by Poghosyan ... Then they killed all our allies with the help of European friends ... And now he teaches this to others ... how to fly in our country on the European "shit" ... Where landing for treason? Until now, we cannot disentangle it ... Losses of tens of billions of dollars! Who lobbied, who signed? Everything is there, everything is on the surface ... Who was against it, they broke it over the knee and threw it out of the aviation ... Well, just like Yakovlev before the war, to shove your raw shit ... Polikarpov into the grave, but the coffins of Koganovich's son-in-law can be ... History teaches nothing ...

Don't tell anyone else about Tu334))) In terms of flight performance characteristics, the superjet is several times better than the Tu334. An outdated wing was installed on Tu334, it was originally designed for the D-236 engine, which was never built, as a result, what was installed. With a T-shaped tail unit and engines at the back, he a priori lost to all modern liners. By the way, if you count on the modern course for the development of Tu334, they spent a billion dollars and the result is zero. They spent half on the superjet and put the plane into production.

[VO3A]

It's hard to talk to inadequate people! Worse, better, is a controversial issue. But the plane is your own, the equipment is yours. This is the life of factories and the well-being of our people. The aircraft was unified with the Tu-214. Enough? It is not necessary to voice nonsense from the position of an outside clever observer ... There should be another word here, but it is impossible ...

[loki565]

Difficulty talking to inadequate people

Yes)))

Worse, better, is a controversial issue.

Quite simply, fuel efficiency per passenger. Once again, in all performance characteristics, he loses to the superjet, including the speed at the echelon.

But the plane is your own, the equipment is yours. This is the life of factories and the well-being of our people. The aircraft was unified with the Tu-214. Enough?

This was the main mistake, to put an outdated wing on an aircraft of a different class and wait for a miracle))) Building an aircraft that is outdated already at the design stage is a dubious prospect. And the joint production of the superjet made it possible to adopt modern technologies and produce the MS-21.
You can watch this video, so to speak, to broaden your horizons, about Tu334 starts at 16.40 minutes.

[VO3A]

You still have amnesia! The Tu-334 was ready and adopted, and the superjet was in the project! .. And that your plane, your fuel automation cannot be improved ... Our factories stood and died, and they were looking for components and engines in Europe ... Well, still these Jets are worth, there are no European spare parts ... They overpay three times, or they may not give it ... And it will stand until its engine is made and the bulk of the equipment is replaced with its own ... And there is no longer a lot of its own, thanks to such, like you ...

[loki565]

You still have amnesia! The Tu-334 was ready and adopted, and the superjet was in the project! .. And that your plane, your fuel automation cannot be improved ... Our factories stood and died, and they were looking for components and engines in Europe ... Well, still there are these Jets, there are no European spare parts ... And it will stand until its engine is made and the bulk of the equipment is replaced with its own ... And there is no longer a lot of its own, thanks to people like YOU ...

A prototype was ready that confirmed its outdated performance characteristics, no one took it anywhere, if there are European airworthiness certificates in the studio))) Does the fact that there was no engine for which the Tu334 was designed does not bother you? It's like saying, let's now produce a VAZ-2107 because this is our car, and we won't take into account the fact that it is outdated and not needed by anyone))) And the Jets fly and show good sales in their sector of regionalists.

[VO3A]

And the Jets fly and show good sales in their sector of regionalists.

Enough to lie! They are all on lease! THE STATE PAYS FOR THEM ... The cut continues! Fly where? Inside the country ! Downtime for engines, or rather, for the French hot part with cracks, what?
Who needs their European certificates? You ... Glue them ...

[loki565]

Enough to lie! They are all on lease! Fly where? Inside the country ! Downtime for engines, or rather, for the French hot part with cracks, what?

Well, check for yourself now a lot of programs that show which plane flies where. All planes have technical problems, the issue is in service and not on the plane.

[VO3A]

For those who are inadequate, our state pays Europe for not its own planes, which stand and do not fly with us, and are called "our own"! Go, get examined ... It would be fine for your own people ...

[loki565]

For those who are inadequate, our state pays Europe for not its own planes, which stand and do not fly with us! Go get examined ...

Check again where someone flies, or you don't have enough mind to use the program?))) Joint production implies mutual benefit for both engine manufacturers and airframe and avionics manufacturers.

[ramzay21]

And the Jets fly and show good sales in their sector of regionalists.

The Superjet turned out to be mediocre, to put it mildly, much worse than Embraer and Bombardier, it does not have new orders abroad and those who bought it refuse it.

All planes have technical problems, the issue is in service and not on the plane.

He has the worst service. There are no clearly spelled out regulations, there are no spare parts available, nothing has been worked out.
Sukhoi specialists have never dealt with civil aircraft, everything is completely different there, and this is the biggest mistake of those who entrusted them with a civil aircraft.

[Zaurbek]

And nevertheless, there are already 200 of them ... which An148 never dreamed of. And with this money they did not buy Embrayers ... and the niche for this standard size has just begun to develop. Prior to that, all flights - Capital - regional center. And there B737 and A320 are out of competition with anyone.

[ramzay21]

And nevertheless, there are already 200 of them ...

Very different results were assumed, compared to which this is a failure.

And with this money they did not buy the Embrayers ..

Buying a 100% imported aircraft or 80% imported aircraft is not a big difference, and considering how much money has been invested in this project, this is a failure.
Tu 334, at the time of the start of work on the Superjet, already ready for production and 100% domestic, would be a much better alternative. The Tu 334 could be sold to countries that have come under sanctions, only Iran alone is ready to buy several hundred of these aircraft. And it was supposed to be produced at KAPO, which had experience in the production of passenger aircraft and is now barely breathing. In parallel with the release of the Tu 334, it would be possible to start designing a more modern, also completely domestic aircraft and not in the design bureau specializing in fighters, but in the Tupolev design bureau.
The same situation with the Tu 204, which could be produced at the same KAPO, in parallel developing the MC21 and launching it into series in the same place.

[Zaurbek]

Tu334, an aircraft a generation below the SSZh ..... we had a similar aircraft An148.
Where is he?
The fact is different ..... the plane is, it is modern, under the modern standards of civil aviation .... what was not the Tu334.

[ramzay21]

we had a similar plane An148.
Where is he?

In Ukraine, like the other An 70, which we need even more.

u334, an aircraft a generation below the SLC

It was ready for production in the 2000s, when the SSZ was just beginning to develop, and it is completely domestic.

[Zaurbek]

So Tu334, like Be200, has the same turbojet engine ...

[ramzay21]

And what prevented you from developing your own engines in 20 years, given the availability of a school, personnel and money? Or waited 14 years when a roasted rooster bites?

[nov_tech.vrn]

well, the an-148 will be more modern compared to the tu-334, digital design
b - the crude an-148 was put on the wing in Voronezh, the lion's share of the aircraft was also produced there
в- Ukrainian engines ruined him
d- the share of Russian components in the AN-148 was over 70%, then when the regional government began to put a spoke in its wheels, great efforts had to be made to end the supply contracts
d - after the break of industrial relations, 0 was released in Ukraine! aircraft, with which I congratulate you

[ramzay21]

With a T-shaped tail unit and engines at the back, he a priori lost to all modern liners.

In fact, Bombardier planes have exactly the same tail and engines in the back, no one will turn their tongue to be called non-modern

[loki565]

Bombardier are mainly Business jets, or upgrades of their own models of the 90s. Although there is a more or less new regionalist Bombardier CS100, does it resemble anything?

[ramzay21]

I meant CRJ100 and CRJ200. And yes they are made from a business jet, but this is a very massive passenger plane flying all over the world.

reminds nothing

Reminiscent of Embraer, the world's best and most reliable aircraft in its class.

[loki565]

I meant CRJ100 and CRJ200.

So this is the modernization of the aircraft of the 90s. Tu154 is also a mass aircraft, but its design is outdated. T-shaped empennage will always be heavier, plus the rear position of the engines leads to "shading" in certain operating conditions. Although some craftsmen even managed to twist the barrel on the Yak40)))

[ramzay21]

So this is the modernization of the aircraft of the 90s. Tu154 is also a mass aircraft, but its design is outdated.

This development of the 90s, and it is still relevant and actively exploited around the world.
Tu 154 is a development of the 60s, and it is really outdated for a long time due to three engines and, accordingly, high consumption.

T-shaped empennage will always be heavier, plus the rear position of the engines leads to "shading" in certain operating conditions.

It doesn't matter at all. Each engine layout has its own pros and cons. This scheme is practically uncontested for small jet aircraft, and is used on many business jets, where safety comes first.
The Tu 334 was a great plane, like the Tu 204, and they killed them, because Boeing and Airbus brought whoever needed it and they ruined our aviation industry. We have the Samara plant, once the largest in Europe, has practically been destroyed, the Saratov plant has been destroyed, KAPO is barely breathing, and instead of keeping them, they gave orders to those who have never produced civil aircraft. It turned out the expected result in the form of that horror called Superjet. High-quality personnel who worked at these factories have been destroyed, and it is a very big problem to raise new ones. China, which invests a lot of money in its aviation industry, cannot yet make airplanes, because it has no competencies and personnel, and our nerds at the helm got everything except brains and conscience.

[Zaurbek]

The plumage has nothing to do with it. Scheme with a rear-mounted engine for higher-speed liners. But the planes began to fly more slowly, powerful turbojet engines appeared and there were two of them instead of three. They grew in diameter ..... so they revised the scheme. And so now the speed is 700-800 km / h, and Tu134 flew at 800-900 km per hour.

[ramzay21]

The plumage has nothing to do with it. Scheme with a rear-mounted engine for higher-speed liners. But the planes began to fly more slowly, powerful turbojet engines appeared and there were two of them instead of three. They grew in diameter ..... so they revised the scheme. And so now the speed is 700-800 km / h, and Tu134 flew at 800-900 km per hour.

With such a scheme, there are modern aircraft flying 700-800 km per hour. There were three of them on the Tu 154, as on the B727 to improve reliability, efficiency was not so important then. The engines have grown in diameter due to the increased bypass ratio, nothing prevents them from being installed now. Example MD 80 / B717 and CRJ 700/800/900, the latter are being produced right now and are not inferior to Embraer.
Tu 134 and 154 flew faster because of the characteristics inherent in them, including the increased sweep of the wing, the location of the engines has nothing to do with it.

[Zaurbek]

They wrote that the scheme with a turbine engine in the tail is aerodynamically more perfect.

[Eug]

Not Kaganovich's son-in-law, but Rykov - which was rather a minus. Aircraft Yakovlev AIR - just by the initials of Rykov ...

[mmaxx]

As not a fan of the Superjet, I still say that you shouldn't be so. Unfortunately, the Tu-334 is a dead end. And an attempt to jump on the departing train of the Land of the Soviets. In the early 90s, it still had some meaning. And then no.
And about Yakovlev in vain.

[smart ass]

I'm afraid if the lands were returned in full force, they would now be broadcasting from the bunker, and an atomic winter was raging on the surface.

[Zaurbek]

The plus is that it was divided into Il114 and 112 ... and the fuselage was not altered from one to another ... but made separately.

[APASUS]

Quote: Irokez

Two tons, not sickly however. Surely, you can still optimize a little, but this will happen over time, but right now it needs to be launched into production.

This is after it was criticized for its superiority. In order to optimize it a little more, it is necessary to apply new technologies and polymers, and then all over again, the whole set of tests ............ we will get it in 300 years

[nov_tech.vrn]

according to the manufacturer, the existing aircraft is being modernized for testing, and the new ones laid down last year will have no advantage, by the way, I see it continues to be tested further without loud advertising, a couple of days ago it was again seen in the air

[yehat2]

they have already squeezed out everything they could
however, an overload of about a ton remained in relation to the design assignment.
And what the production car will turn out to be is not clear, but it is usually heavier.

[mmaxx]

It was already a long time ago and not true. Serial aircraft cannot be heavier than experienced ones for no reason. Only with constructive changes

[g1v2]

For IL76 with a carrying capacity of 60 tons, the extra 2 tons would not be important, but if the IL112 has a lifting capacity of 5 tons, then the extra 2 tons is extremely large. I just hope that nothing important was thrown out by lightening the plane and this will not affect the reliability of the machine. But if the Ministry of Defense allowed them to be tested, then, in theory, they were satisfied with the carrying capacity.

[yehat2]

Quote: g1v2

extra 2 t

they removed 2 of 3
there remained 1 ton extra, although this is also a lot.

[g1v2]

There, initially, they promised a lifting capacity of 5,5 tons. Now it is already 5t. I think if they were allowed to test, they still provided the required carrying capacity. Otherwise, the point is in trials?

[yehat2]

too many lies in the statements. I don't know what the truth is.

[g1v2]

You just have to pass it through common sense. The statements of the representatives of the military-industrial complex are most often advertising. Representatives of the Ministry of Defense, as a rule, have little idea of ​​the process of the pr-va and therefore initially announce unrealistic terms.
IL112 is the brainchild of a problem time and is born in agony. Even the developers hardly know when it will go into production. They knew about the overload 10 years ago, but did not take special measures.

[mmaxx]

It is hard to believe that 2 tons have been removed from the finished plane. Have you finished working on the adit with a file?

[Popandos]

I'm going to get some popcorn, right now two camps of couch experts will start shaking the air.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Popandos

I'm going to get some popcorn, right now two camps of couch experts will start shaking the air.

Better beer with fish than popcorn. You need to use your own, not American.

[carstorm 11]

After a beer with a fish, the mammon will grow at the speed of sound) the popaorn is much better in this otrovanie. And there is only a name in it) corn is growing here too)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: carstorm 11

After beer with fish, mammon will grow at the speed of sound

Well, it's not scary to me, like that gluttonous cow, but the popcorn will clog the intestines, the stool will be bad. Although the taste and color ...

[carstorm 11]

Is it clogging?) Quite the opposite) fiber from the peel of the kernel is like emery) I basically did not like beer, but when I saw how much CC in it, then in general I do not even touch for 20 years, i.e. from adolescence)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: carstorm 11

I didn’t like beer, but when I saw how much CC in it, I don’t even touch it for about 20 years. from adolescence)

Of course, now beer is not what it used to be, but I enjoy drinking "Holsten", and local. As in 17 years in St. Petersburg, especially in a pub from Krasnaya Bavaria, on the Liteiny corner of Nevsky, I tried it when there were 6-7 varieties, but I still suck on taranka with smelt for a snack.

[carstorm 11]

And I didn't even like it. Kvass is better.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: carstorm 11

And I didn't even like it. Kvass is better.

Kvass is now dumb, just a carbonated drink. But when I do it myself in the summer, it is "High Quality".

[smart ass]

Couch experts will fight for popcorn)))

[Alien From]

With dried gobies)) and the plane, the speedy completion of the tests, and in operation!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alien From

With dried gobies)) and the plane, the speedy completion of the tests, and in operation!

Take the plane to the wing. And don't poison your soul with a dried scourge.

[Mikle2000]

if you pause for two years between flights, then the fastest is how many years?

[Ros 56]

I don’t know about striped ones, but in our country, fried corn was sold in bags back in the sixties, it cost 10-15 kopecks per bag and cotton candy. all this was done right before your eyes.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ros 56

and in our country, fried corn was sold in bags back in the sixties, it cost 10-15 kopecks per bag and cotton candy

And how gorgeous were the cornflakes, not like the popcorn "Made in USA".

[Aviator_]

and in our country, fried corn was sold in bags back in the sixties, it cost 10-15 kopecks per bag

Well, of course, corn is the queen of the fields, the beginning of the 60s, dear Nikita Sergeevich! There was even artificial corn honey. True, then suddenly butter and white bread disappeared, but by the spring of 1965 everything was restored, already with a different secretary general.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Aviator_

There was even artificial corn honey.

The sweets in Estonia were "Maispala", very good, in short supply. By the 70s, they stopped production, after the counter-revolution of 1991, they tried to resume production, but no one took them anymore.

[DED_peer_DED]

In the Kuban, knowledgeable men use Khadyzhensky. But only from branded stores. I advise.

[Popandos]

I'm from the Kuban, for my taste - Khadizhi is somehow not right, although I confirm a very popular beer.

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: Popandos

from the Kuban, for my taste - Khadyzhi is somehow not right,

" I do not believe...!!!" (WITH)
Haadizhi not from a bottle, but from a brand store for bottling.
In vain, you are so.

[Popandos]

I do not argue, I wrote, for my taste.
In general, I prefer porter.

[Popandos]

He spoke exclusively figuratively, in fact he drank tea, unfortunately of foreign origin.

[Aviator_]

in fact, I used tea, unfortunately of foreign origin.

Hopefully not Georgian?

[Popandos]

Alas Chinese

[Aviator_]

And I prefer the Ceylon "Akhmat Orange Peko". I do not like different additives, it is better to add it yourself than to drink it with incomprehensible "pieces of fruit".

[Popandos]

My spouse is in charge of this issue, so I drink what they pour.

[prior]

I am not an expert, but I will ask: "If the aircraft is military, where are the normal-sized doors for the landing?"
I can only see a hatch in the aft fuselage. Don't we need an airplane to drop off small groups of troops?

[kapitan92]

Quote: prior

I am not an expert, but I will ask: "If the aircraft is military, where are the normal-sized doors for the landing?"
I can only see a hatch in the aft fuselage. Don't we need an airplane to drop off small groups of troops?

[prior]

Thanks for the hint, clear and obvious.

[tihonmarine]

Good "bird", God grant her long summers.

[_Sergei_]

There's a ramp in the back, I think that's what it's called.

[Errr]

On an airplane, this is called a ramp.

[NEOZ]

Quote: prior

where is the normal-sized landing door? "

there is a ramp there!

[bayard]

And a side door at the rear of the fuselage.

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: Popandos

I'm going to get some popcorn, right now two camps of couch experts will start shaking the air.

You are a corn-eater, no matter how patriotic, after all, eat peas and ... fart on the sofas ...

[rocket757]

After the first flight, the Il-112V was improved. In particular, the weight of the aircraft was reduced by about two tons, and improvements were made to the main systems of the aircraft.

Is it like that, made it easier by 2 tons ??? How was it designed that it was so overweight ??? Unclear.

[Piramidon]

Quote: rocket757

Is it like that, made it easier by 2 tons ???

Replaced the lamps with transistors and 0,8 mm locking by 0,5 mm.

[URAL72]

Judging by your joke, you are not interested in aviation. A significant part of the engineers of the Ilyushin Design Bureau were lured away by Irkut, but the youth did not cope. What was announced officially. But once they made it easier, it means that things are going well at the design bureau. This makes me happy.

[rocket757]

Quote: URAL72

But once they made it easier, it means that things are going well at the design bureau. This makes me happy.

And it makes us happy! Whenever things start to go well.

[Piramidon]

I have been associated with aviation for more than a quarter of a century and began to take an interest in it at a pioneer age. And during my service there was a joke: "If you sweep out all the trims of the safety wire from the Tu-95, then its take-off weight will decrease by 1,5 tons." But, apparently, jokes are not available to you. Especially on the aviation topic. And about the Ilyushin Design Bureau (at least of the Soviet period) I can only speak in the most enthusiastic words. We had to compare our Tu-95RTs and Il-38 of the neighboring regiment. Although I am a patriot of my type of aircraft, Ilyushin has everything aimed at ease of maintenance and operation. The equipment is placed on shelves like books in a library, freely available for both repair and crew use. For Tupolev, the opposite is true. To get to something, you need to unscrew 100/500 screws where Ilyushin just needs to open the locks. You can compare for a long time ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Piramidon

To get to something, you need to unscrew 100/500 screws

Come on, don't complain! How many self-tapping screws from the Ural cabin in the casing do you know?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Mordvin 3

Come on, don't complain! How many self-tapping screws from the Ural cabin in the casing do you know?

I don't know, but I think no more than in the so-called. "Tupolev Avenue" on the Tu-95 plane. When, in order to replace one fuel tank, it was necessary to unscrew the screws securing the panel with dimensions of 2x5 meters and located at a distance of 30mm from each other

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Piramidon

I do not know,

Under ninety! My boss was crazy to me when I told him. Ivanych, I say, let's go and count ... He's fucked up ...

[mmaxx]

So what? It should be so. 90 is not much

[rocket757]

Quote: Piramidon

But, apparently, jokes are not available to you.

Are you so sure?
How much did the weight of Levanevsky's plane increase when he ordered to repaint it in his own colors? for a record flight.
How is this ... rumor that Chkalov ordered to cut / trim all protruding rivets on the plane ??? For weight loss ... although this rumor is not credible ... reducing joint strength is a risky business.
You can still remember a lot, about lightweight nuts in airplanes and so on, so on ...
Those. any engineer, technician, understands about the problems of weight, strength ... if he STUDY, and not doing something else.
Of course, an aircraft designer has more specific knowledge than a mechanical engineer, power engineer, for example. But the general rules are the same for everyone.
I am now teaching the boys how to assemble various models ... of planes too. Such that they would fly and be controlled, and not fall down like a stone ...

[Piramidon]

Quote: rocket757

Are you so sure?

At the expense of your sense of humor, I'm 100% sure. Everything that you listed is a joke, or what? But what can I prove to you, if I brought you an "anecdote", and you started sucking it to me in all seriousness.

[rocket757]

Quote: Piramidon

I'm 100% sure about your sense of humor

do you like American comedies?

[Piramidon]

Quote: URAL72

Judging by your joke, you are not interested in aviation. A significant part of the engineers of the Ilyushin Design Bureau were lured away by Irkut, but the youth did not cope. What was announced officially. But once they made it easier, it means that things are going well at the design bureau. This makes me happy.

I have been associated with aviation for more than a quarter of a century and began to take an interest in it at a pioneer age. And during my service there was a joke: "If you sweep out all the trims of the safety wire from the Tu-95, then its take-off weight will decrease by 1,5 tons." But, apparently, jokes are not available to you. Especially on the aviation topic. And about the Ilyushin Design Bureau (at least of the Soviet period), I can only speak in the most enthusiastic words. We had to compare our Tu-95RTs and Il-38 of the neighboring regiment. Although I am a patriot of my type of aircraft, Ilyushin's everything was aimed at ease of maintenance and operation. The equipment is placed on shelves like books in a library, freely available for both repair and crew use. And for Tupolev, the opposite is true. To get to something, you need to unscrew 100/500 screws where Ilyushin just needs to open the locks. You can compare for a long time ... As we used to say: Ilyushin built an airplane around a man, and Tupolev built an airplane, and then he shoved this man in. (one Tu-22 is worth something)

[rocket757]

Quote: Piramidon

Replaced the lamps with transistors and 0,8 mm locking by 0,5 mm.

Not enough ... 2 tons, this is not halam balam, this is WEIGHT!

[DED_peer_DED]

Quote: rocket757

2 tons, this is not halam balam, this is WEIGHT!

Moreover, this is the weight - transportable!

[lucul]

Is it like that, made it easier by 2 tons ??? How was it designed that it was so overweight ??? Unclear.

Well, there is jewelry work, when the material and heat balance came together in the diploma, and there is clumsy work when he himself did not count)))

[d1975]

There were statements and justification about this, nothing more and there will be a complete alles kaput! The last thing that we had in the Russian Federation from the USSR is education! Now it is just blurry, the Unified State Exam does not determine the completeness of knowledge, and the Balon system is also not education in institutions. So much for the wrong calculations and the extra two tons. Medvedev D.A. with EP did a lot of harm to the country, but it is not customary to talk about it. Education in the USSR was considered at least good, and by some criteria the best. Kennedy seems to have said it beautifully like no other. Now even the word "Soviet" is being washed out in Russia at the speed of a storm.

[rocket757]

Quote: d1975

The last thing that we had in the Russian Federation from the USSR is education! Now it is just blurry, the Unified State Exam does not determine the completeness of knowledge, and the Balon system is also not education in institutions. So much for the wrong calculations and the extra two tons.

Well, yes, those who originally designed did not know how aviation equipment SHOULD BE DESIGNED?
Only button presses can do this ... they found a "smart" program, gave a task with blurry parameters and forward, "to the heights of the heavens." This is no longer a design bureau ... a club for interesmm, some sort.

[Vadim237]

This was the case in the USSR when designing aircraft and more than once, and in the United States it was the same - enough of this to inflate the disaster.

[Terenin]

Quote: d1975

Education in the USSR was considered at least good, and by some criteria the best.

That's right!

[Magog_]

I suppose that the solution to the problem of producing composite materials in Russia prompted the designers to replace the same cladding from metal to composite in some places. Here are the two tons we are looking for.

The problem with composite materials, which arose due to American sanctions, is no longer worth it - domestic carbon fibers and resin have been developed and are being tested for the production of a wing by vacuum infusion.

As it follows from this, other elements of the aircraft's power structure can be significantly facilitated in terms of future mass production.

[rocket757]

I did not write specifically about composites, although I understood that they would be remembered ... BUT TWO TONS, it's hard to believe even for composites, in AVIATION TECHNOLOGY!
Was there sho before that, did you put the details from CAST IRON?

[Magog_]

In the news, the announcer, informing about the second test flight of this aircraft, announced the relief of construction on the current version of the aircraft near two hundred kilograms... So think what is truth?

[rocket757]

What, another 200 kg. "lost weight" .... a couple more, three such flights and will "flutter" like a moth !!!

[donavi49]

Most of all came out with the help of the Ministry of Defense - they firstly adjusted the TTZ downward. Secondly, they agreed to throw out the navigator and his entire combat post. On the third plane, there will be a modified cockpit, where the navigator's cockpit will be smeared evenly over the tidy and without crutches for certification.

Actually throwing out the navigator gave a lot of resources for further optimization.

Then we completely redesigned the ramp and hatch doors, significantly lightening them (more than 200 kg were removed).

From the third, new lightweight engine nacelles will go.
We threw out the landing gear fairings (again, thanks to the MO for reducing the requirements in the TTZ).
A number of power parts will be redesigned from the third side. Also, a number of nodes change materials (with an increase in price) for lighter ones.

[Nazar]

donavi49 - Can you please tell me which engines are on it?

[donavi49]

Domestic. But they still have not cured their sores - they are reducing the weight by 90 kg in the new series. On the propeller - bushings burst due to the wrong alloy. Should have been fixed already.

[Nazar]

donavi49 - Peter produces?

[nov_tech.vrn]

IL-114 seems to have flown with new bushings.

[V.I.P.]

The general designer of the project spoke. Regarding the overweight aircraft, he replied that it was designed by young designers using computer programs, and not, as before, on a drawing board. They had no experience and no idea of ​​airplanes; they had never worked anywhere and never in the aviation industry before. Well, that's how they made it up .... Everywhere they laughed at the new Ukrainian Academy of Sciences, who also had problems with weight and center of gravity, we have exactly the same. Neither we, nor they have a Soviet education. Around the exam and paid diplomas))))

[Nazar]

V.I.P. - What do you mean, "was the general designer of the project"? Young people - amateurs made a mess, but where was he himself - eh? Gene salary. Did you get the constructor correctly? And how to be responsible for the result, so everything falls on the "small" ones?

[Castro Ruiz]

Bez nego i tot peretyazheliy mog i nepoyavitsa.

[mmaxx]

Stop yelling like a victim. Everything is lost, everything is ukrpli ... How do you live with this? The plane is flying.

[rocket757]

Quote: V.I.P.

that it was designed by young designers using computer programs, and not as before on a drawing board. They had no experience and no idea of ​​airplanes; they had never worked anywhere and never in the aviation industry before. Well, that's how they created it ...

It is the very thing ... WORK as it should, I hope so far, they do not know how ... but to be offended by critics, they please.
It's no longer fun when ambitions and personal grievances are put above the assigned task !!! so nothing can be achieved.

[Rubi0]

Yes, where does the exam and diplomas, that you clung to it then? Previously, as far as it is known, a young specialist was assigned a mentor to an engineer for 3 years and, most importantly, they could not even be fired, and this is postgraduate education, and in 3 years, sorry, you can learn all the special subjects again. Right now, where is this practice?

[rocket757]

Quote: Rubi0

Previously, as far as we know, a young specialist was assigned a mentor to an engineer for 3 years

And now, what else? Did you come right away and start teaching everyone new methods and trends? You also have to control, help young professionals ... that's how it is with us.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: rocket757

And now, what else? Did you come right away and start teaching everyone new methods and trends?

And now, he came - and you only have a general designer, who, in which case, without batting an eye, will blame you all the time; yes, the general director, to whom dad just in this form decided to start giving out "pocket" money, so that he looked like an adult.
Which one to learn from? It is clearly stated that all the shots are gone. And whose concern was it - to keep the staff? Who paid them their salary (or rather, almost never paid) that they left?
Or do you think that the "youth" stupidly sent all the design bureaus and did as they dreamed in their dreams? Found extreme))). Complete nonsense

[rocket757]

You quickly get used to good things ...... we have long since ended the stage when the children of the chiefs, after their "Londons and other" sorbons ", were attached to warm places in the company !!!
There is NOT ONE left !!!
We can because .... yeah fig knows why. Now there is not a single newcomer boss, all the old cadres remain on the board of directors and .... we are working, it’s not bad at all.

[alexmach]

The general designer of the project spoke. Regarding the overweight aircraft, he replied that it was designed by young designers using computer programs, and not, as before, on a drawing board. They had no experience and no idea about airplanes, they had never worked anywhere and never in the aviation industry before.

A kick in the ass of such a "chief designer" of the project, honestly. What is he chief designer with such statements then? It is clear that the grandfather is not young, but if you don’t pull for your position, then go to retirement, or to work as a simpler consultant, some kind of safety engineer. Find yourself a sinkeura but do not bother to do business.

[Castro Ruiz]

A shto Vi tak s pozhilim specialistom - gl. konstruktorom?
Mozhet bit shto bez nego i tot peretiazheliy vobshche nepoyavilsa.
I'm 62 let. U nas i obrazovanie prilichnoe i bolshoy opit.

[alexmach]

A shto Vi tak s pozhilim specialistom - gl. konstruktorom?
Mozhet bit shto bez nego i tot peretiazheliy vobshche nepoyavilsa.

Exclusively "for the cause".
I don't understand how the chief designer of the project can say what he said. If he is the chief designer, he is responsible for him inside and out. What kind of babble about some not such young specialists?

I don’t know what the real situation was, I don’t know, maybe he blurted out something on the camera, but in reality he says something else to his superiors and subordinates, I also don’t quite understand how he now looks into the eyes of those people, with whom he works.

I'm 62 let. U nas i obrazovanie prilichnoe i bolshoy opit.

Well, about the education received 50 years ago (and he is clearly older than you) is difficult for me to judge, but there is one very specific "yardstick" of education and experience .. this yardstick is the result. As far as I understand, not everything went smoothly with him, at least it was. Well, in terms of personal qualities, in my opinion, he does not pull on the main thing.

[Castro Ruiz]

Vfulne ponimayu i Vashe opinion.

[Piramidon]

Quote: V.I.P.

it was designed by young designers using computer programs, and not, as before, on a drawing board. They had no experience and no idea about airplanes., have never worked anywhere in the aviation industry before. Well, that's how they created it ...

Well, this is too much you bent. Was it possible to recruit specialists for laying sewer pipes and developing cabinet furniture from Serdyukov into the aviation design bureau?

[keeper03]

The first GAZelle was also designed on a computer, but many years have passed since then.

[mmaxx]

There is a feeling that the Siemens NX is lying about calculating the weight. And, since he now, as it were, counts as an automaton, then most likely no one has double-checked.
Another thing is strange. Is everyone weighed at the assembly? The overweight must be known in advance.

[kapitan92]

Quote: rocket757

After the first flight, the Il-112V was improved. In particular, the weight of the aircraft was reduced by about two tons, and improvements were made to the main systems of the aircraft.

Is it like that, made it easier by 2 tons ??? How was it designed that it was so overweight ??? Unclear.

Even during the first study in the zero years of the documentation for the Il-112 passenger aircraft, the Ilyushin Design Bureau came to the conclusion that the projected military transport vehicle would be somewhat overweight. But due to the fact that the topic was closed in 2010, the documentation lay in this state until the resumption of work in 2014.
By 2014, the design bureau underwent organizational changes, as well as a generational change. The new management, to the detriment of quality, sought to quickly release design documentation. Weight design tasks have faded into the background. As a result, errors and flaws were found in the documentation every now and then, and the excess weight was 2,5 tons.
By the beginning of May 2019, it was possible to reduce the weight of the aircraft by 2082 kg. Another 500 kg are planned to be removed in the course of work on the modernization of the aircraft and the equipment complex, the transition to an electro-remote control system, and optimization of the hydraulic system. This set of measures will reduce the weight of the aircraft by 2472 kg. All updates will be implemented on the next car (0103), the appearance of which will fully correspond to the production cars. The rollout of the third aircraft s / n 0103 is expected at the junction of 2020-2021.

In addition to the airframe design, the TV7-117ST engine also turned out to be somewhat overweight. Its developer - JSC "UEC-Klimov" should reduce the mass of the motor by 90 kg, the corresponding work is underway. Until the end of the aircraft tests, the engine weight will be reduced.
https://aviation21.ru/il-112v-lyogkij-voenno-transportnyj-samolyot/

[rocket757]

I don’t understand one thing, who is this .... he was touchy, he tried to drive all of us critics into the minus ???
Like, he is one \ several "patriots", and all the other "villains" do not understand the pangs of creativity of a young team of creative personalities, "young aircraft modelers" ???
Shaw for a hogwash in some heads is going on ???
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND!

[kapitan92]

Quote: rocket757

I don’t understand one thing, who is this .... he was touchy, he tried to drive all of us critics into the minus ???

Fifth column! "Brothers and Partners"!

[rocket757]

Quote: kapitan92

Fifth Column! "Brothers and Partners"!

And why is this? We CRITICAL, Joked, but did not scold, did not offer to disperse everyone and recruit new ones ... we support our AVIAPROM, we do not need someone else's.
We are not suitable for allies to those who are against, we are always for, only shortcomings, when we see them, we do not leave them without attention ... we are patriots, only for no reason, real, urya are not used to shouting. We were taught differently.

[mmaxx]

This is not the third set and we will scream about the exam, purchased dmploms, the role of United Russia and corrupt managers.
In the meantime, it is recommended that all the propellers wait.
I would have waited until the production car. And tests and machines for them are all for identifying jambs.

[alex neym_2]

you do not understand: there is no such program where you cannot shorten it by one step ...

[Errr]

Quote: rocket757

Is it like that, made it easier by 2 tons ???

You’ll laugh a lot, but the polymers aren’t overslept yet.

The specific gravity of aluminum is 2,7, and of composites, 1,5. This indicates the available reserve for reducing the mass of the aircraft. Some of the units will be made of composite materials. We have already developed experimental units for the Il-114-300 aircraft. This experience will be applied to the Il-112V. In general, this work is one of the main activities of the Voronezh aircraft plant at the moment, - explained the Deputy Technical Director of PJSC "VASO". - Composites themselves are somewhat more expensive than aluminum, but they give a significant gain in weight, their use gives an additional economic effect due to a cheaper manufacturing technology and a decrease in labor intensity.

https://aviation21.ru/kompozity-pozvolyat-snizit-ves-il-112v/

[rocket757]

Boom to look and ... when everything is done as it should, it flies as it should, then no longer joke, we will laugh, but we wish you a long flight.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Well done! But it was necessary to do this, about 10 years ago. And do not rely on "brothers" ....

[NEOZ]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

But I had to do this, about 10 years

Well, you would do it, why didn’t you do that?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Here I sat and waited for you to give birth to such a "wise" thought.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Here I sat and waited for you to give birth to such a "wise" thought.

but this thought:

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

But it was necessary to do this, about 10 years ago.

do you also think "wise"?

[Piramidon]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

But I had to do this, about 10 years ago

It's easy to be smart in hindsight. When everything happened, make a wise person and write HOW it was necessary to do it.

[Jacket in stock]

After the first flight, the Il-112V was improved. In particular, the weight of the aircraft was reduced by about two tons.

They did it.
Well done, if really so.
The main thing is not to sacrifice reliability.

[lucul]

They did it.
Well done, if really so.
The main thing is not to sacrifice reliability.

Wing "weak" took, too high load on the wing.

[Genry]

Quote: lucul

Wing "weak" took, too high load on the wing.

Explain your blah blah blah.

[lucul]

Explain your blah blah blah.

Take the performance characteristics of An-26, An-24 and compare with this Il.

[Genry]

Quote: lucul

Take the performance characteristics of An-26, An-24 and compare with this Il.

You explain your topic! Or it was smarter to be silent.

[lucul]

Or it was smarter to be silent.

So what to explain if you don’t understand in any scenario?
The maximum take-off weight for the Il-112V is 21 tons, for the An-26 it is 24 tons.
The carrying capacity of the Il-112V is 5 tons, that of the An-26 is 5,5 tons.
The engine power of the Il-112V is 2800x2 (afterburner 3600x2) versus 2076x2 for the An-26.
And the most trump card is the developed thrust for the Il-112V - 4145 kgf, against 1650 kgf for the An-26.
That is, on the fingers - the Il112V has almost 2 times more powerful engines, which develop more than 2 times more powerful thrust, and with all this, the aircraft have the same characteristics, despite the fact that there are differences between them at 50.
Put engines from Il-112V on An-26 and you will not recognize that An.

[Genry]

Quote: lucul

The engine power of the Il-112V is 2800x2 (afterburner 3600x2) versus 2076x2 for the An-26.

1.No afterburner and no afterburner!
2. Power in takeoff mode - Il-112: 2x3100hp, An26: 2x2820hp.
3.Pull at cruising - I didn’t find it fast. But it is due to drag (linear) and speed (quadratic). The Il-112 has a larger midsection (for the required cargo section ...), therefore, the required thrust will increase proportionally. If Il also flies faster, then the power must be increased quadratically.

Quote: lucul

And the most trump card is the developed thrust for the Il-112V - 4145 kgf, against 1650 kgf for the An-26.

The most trump card is your ignorance, because it is not clear where these traction are taken from and for what modes. In the previous sentence, you at least led the takeoff. An-24 (not 26) and the Il-112 emergency regime (which are two big differences).

Quote: lucul

That is, on the fingers - the Il112V has almost 2 times more powerful engines, which develop more than 2 times more powerful thrust, and with all this, the aircraft have the same characteristics, despite the fact that there are differences between them at 50.

Pobhushki 2 times the power / thrust differences have already been disassembled.
Does 50 years somehow change the required power for weight, midsection and aircraft speed?

Nobody called the An-26 a bad plane, but it is not suitable for transporting vehicles and some cargo dimensions.
It is molded from the passenger 24th and therefore flawed.

[lucul]

The most trump card is your ignorance, because it is not clear where these traction are taken from and for what modes.

Open the IL-112V in a search engine, there is a comparison of the aircraft with similar aircraft.

Does 50 years somehow change the required power for weight, midsection and aircraft speed?

New materials (composites) + more powerful engines over the past 50 years will not affect the aircraft in any way?

[Genry]

Quote: lucul

Open the IL-112V in a search engine, there is a comparison of the aircraft with similar aircraft.

Nor and what is there?

[lucul]

Nor and what is there?

You open the IL-122V and see the comparison har-k

Composites are an opportunity to keep within the permissible weight while increasing any characteristics of the aircraft.

For example, lifting capacity - what's wrong?
But in the Il-112V, only one parameter was improved compared to the An-26 - the dimensions of the cargo compartment were increased.

[Genry]

Quote: lucul

You open the IL-122V and see the comparison har-k

With you exactly what is wrong. You cannot give specific and correct information in any way.
There is no need to refer to the writers who write about the afterburner, where his life cannot, indicate the wrong engine power, confuse the thrust in different modes and generally confuse everything.

[lucul]

There is no need to refer to the writers who write about the afterburner, where his life cannot, indicate the wrong engine power, confuse the thrust in different modes and generally confuse everything.

I gave the data that is, in other sources only a short performance characteristics

[Genry]

Quote: lucul

For example, lifting capacity - what's wrong?
But in the Il-112V, only one parameter was improved compared to the An-26 - the dimensions of the cargo compartment were increased.

The customer does not need extra carrying capacity - these are extra costs for operation and maintenance.
There is an Il-114, it, in the truck version, will have a carrying capacity of 7 tons. And it is a close analogue of the An-26 in terms of functionality.

[Genry]

Quote: lucul

New materials (composites) + more powerful engines over the past 50 years, will not affect the plane in any way?

Composites are an opportunity to keep within the permissible weight while increasing any characteristics of the aircraft. If you do not improve, then you can also reduce the weight - only the military does not really want to have an airplane without the possibility of straightening.

The engine is more economical there, but the increase in power is very small: 3100/2820 = 1.099 i.e. ten%.

[lucul]

Takeoff power - Il-112: 2x3100hp.

With a TV7-117SM motor? My data with the TV7-117ST motor.

[Piramidon]

Quote: lucul

Wing "weak" took, too high load on the wing.

Accurate information, or "I think so"? Have the "weak" wing been strengthened and the weight decreased?

[lucul]

Accurate information, or "I think so"? Have the "weak" wing been strengthened and the weight decreased?

I wrote - a high specific load on the wing - does this mean anything to you?

[Piramidon]

Quote: lucul

Accurate information, or "I think so"? Have the "weak" wing been strengthened and the weight decreased?

I wrote - a high specific load on the wing - does this mean anything to you?

He quite speaks to himself. You are not the only one so smart. Only it is not clear how your expression "the weak wing has been strengthened and the weight has decreased" is connected with that message about the decrease in the mass of the aircraft.

[lucul]

He quite speaks to himself. You are not the only one so smart. Only it is not clear how your expression "the weak wing has been strengthened and the weight has decreased" is connected with that message about the decrease in the mass of the aircraft.

What i wrote

Wing "weak" took, too high load on the wing.

By weak, it meant an insufficient wing area for such an aircraft mass. They designed on a computer program, and due to the fact that in the Il-112V the developed engine thrust is 4145 kgf, against 1650 kgf in the An-26, the computer cut the wing area.

[Piramidon]

Quote: lucul

Weak meant

I can't get into your head and find out. what do you mean by "weak wing". I'm not new to aviation, but this is the first time I've heard such an expression. Maybe it is somewhere in very narrow circles in circulation?

[Genry]

Quote: lucul

They designed it on a computer program, and due to the fact that in the Il-112V the developed engine thrust is 4145 kgf, versus 1650 kgf in the An-26, the computer cut the wing area.

Nonsense!
Just give the wing squares. Judging by the commensurate mass and takeoff and landing characteristics of the aircraft, the areas are almost the same.

[lucul]

Just give the wing squares. Judging by the commensurate mass and takeoff and landing characteristics of the aircraft, the areas are almost the same.

What I could find was the wing area of ​​the Ila 65m², the An-26 75m². The wingspan of the Ila is -27m, the Ana -29m.

[Genry]

Quote: lucul

wing area at Ila 65m², at An-26 75m².

Maximum takeoff weight: Il .. 21t; An .. 24t.
Specific wing loading: 21/65 = 0,3231 24/75 = 0,32
The difference is 1%.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Genry

Maximum takeoff weight: Il .. 21t; An .. 24t.
Specific wing loading: 21/65 = 0,3231 24/75 = 0,32

You, after all, calculated the specific gravity and not the specific load). Let me remind you that the mass is just a measure of the body's inertia. The load is the force (or its moment).
But if:

Quote: Genry

If Il also flies faster

and maybe more acceleration during climb will develop ... Well, you get the idea.

I have no idea how airplanes are built, but somehow I saw on TV that a large margin of safety means poor work by the designers (the plane could be made even lighter). Like, there are very small stocks in the end left. If we proceed from this, then the margin of safety for the wing of An-a is not that tens of percent. This means that every percentage is important to us, and to consider here the "specific gravity" instead of the load means, perhaps, to make a fatal mistake.

[Genry]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

I have no idea how airplanes are built

Just have it, then it will make sense to talk to you.

[Bow]

Quote: Genry

Just have it, then it will make sense to talk to you.

Said a person who does not distinguish between mass and load. Your pretentious aggression is ignorant - it looks pretty funny.

[Genry]

Quote: Bow

Said a person who does not distinguish between mass and load. Your pretentious aggression is ignorant - it looks pretty funny.

You are implying that you are not at risk of dementia at all.

[Bad_gr]

Can you explain why when you have fuel
7900 l for IL-112V and
7080 l for An-26
their ferry range is
5200 km near the Il-112V and
2660 km at the An-26.
?

[Genry]

Quote: Bad_gr

ferry range is
5200 km near the Il-112V and
2660 km at the An-26.
?

Il-a has a more modern engine, in which more heat-resistant materials, allow to enlarge pressure and temperature in the combustion chamber, which leads to a decrease in emissions, with better fuel combustion, and, accordingly, increases the engine's economy (more efficient Carnot cycle).

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Genry

Il-a has a more modern engine

And therefore, the flight range, with a comparable weight of the aircraft and fuel, is 2 times more?

[Genry]

Quote: Bad_gr

And therefore, the flight range, with a comparable weight of the aircraft and fuel, is 2 times more?

And what surprises you.
The new engine spits out less unused fuel (smoke) and a more efficient Carnot cycle due to higher temperatures.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Genry

And what surprises you.
The new engine spits out less unburned fuel (smoke) and a more efficient Carnot cycle due to the higher temperature.

But not twice. I think the range is influenced by the aerodynamics of the aircraft, including its wings.

[Genry]

Quote: Bad_gr

I think the range is influenced by the aerodynamics of the aircraft, including its wings.

The Il-112 has worse aerodynamics than the An-26 - it is thicker and more drag.
But you still need to take into account the lower take-off weight and the new propeller.

[mmaxx]

People! The main drag comes from the wing, not the fuselage. Having made a more aerodynamically high-quality wing, it is possible to reduce the frontal and with a larger fuselage section

[Genry]

Quote: mmaxx

People! The main drag comes from the wing, not the fuselage.

There is a concept of "midship" (longitudinal projection area). Frontal resistance is attached to it. The remaining fairings and fairings only reduce the inductive resistance (vortex).
And the shorter the wing, more precisely: the lower the relative elongation (the ratio of length to width), the stronger the inductive resistance.

[mmaxx]

Yeah, okay .... Thanks for the enlightenment.
And what about the classic shabby example of the P-47 Thunderbolt versus the Me-109? How? So: the P-47 has less drag than Messer. If drag was measured midships, it would be easy for aerodynamics. In fact, this is not the case. It's difficult and good. Because it's not clumsy.
And how do wing fairings reduce inductive reactance? And some fairings? What are the fairings? It's like a blah at the ends of a wing. Blending from bottom to top. With the formation of a vortex.

[Genry]

Quote: mmaxx

And what about the classic shabby example of the P-47 Thunderbolt versus the Me-109? How? So: the P-47 has less drag than Messer.

Figures where or just play.
And there is no need to compare the speed values ​​at the ground and at high altitude.

Quote: mmaxx

If drag was measured midships, it would be easy for aerodynamics.

And you haven't read to inductive.

Quote: mmaxx

It's like a blah at the ends of a wing.

This is a particular and most popular case.
Any vortices create an inductive ...

Quote: mmaxx

How do wing fairings reduce inductive reactance?

Any abrupt transitions lead to a breakdown of flows and create vortices that drag behind the object of disturbance .... If the vortices break down, vibration occurs.

And fairings and fairings not only for the wing - for everything that violates laminarity.

[mmaxx]

Of course, I have no numbers. I do not sleep with them. So, take it on faith. The Americans were in aircraft construction and aerodynamics, and then they were wow! And they were the first to make the laminar wing. The level of technology allowed.
I don't even need to read about inductive reactance. I didn't even have to hammer these things into even good teachers. It flew into my head.
Lift-induced drag is a consequence of the generation of lift on a wing with a finite span. Asymmetric flow around the wing leads to the fact that the air flow escapes from the wing at an angle to the flow on the wing (the so-called flow slope).
Here, without stroking, from Wikipedia. The article, by the way, is lousy.
Inductive resistance is not just any vortex. And the vortices due to the bevel of the flow ON THE WING. And the bevel of the flow is caused by the pressure difference on the surfaces of the wing, top and bottom. It is lower at the top than at the bottom. Therefore, the stream tries to flow to the upper part of the wing. Because of the speed of the plane, he can't do it. the stream breaks down and swirls into a vortex. AT THE END OF THE WING. And the bevel of the flow itself arises from the speed.
The fairings have nothing to do with it. And fairings too.
They are struggling with this. And sometimes not. Boules of fighters in front of the wing generate such vortices on purpose. These vortices pass over the upper surface of the wing and increase the flow velocity on this surface.

[Genry]

Quote: mmaxx

The fairings have nothing to do with it. And fairings too.

Here, for example, without communication with the wing. What kind of resistance is removed if fairings are placed on the wheels and struts of the fixed landing gear?

[mmaxx]

Just frontal.

[mmaxx]

This head-on was given to you.

[Genry]

Quote: mmaxx

Just frontal.

But the projection area, after all, remains the same.

[mmaxx]

It may even get bigger. And the frontal will decrease. The chassis was not retracted before. A fairing was also pushed onto it. And then it decreased. And the cross section has increased.

[Genry]

It doesn't seem to you that there is something with turbulence and, accordingly, inductance.

[mmaxx]

Inductive resistance is from the wing. The rest of the vortices are not inductive reactance.

[Genry]

Quote: mmaxx

The rest of the vortices are not inductive resistance.

What kind?

[mmaxx]

Not inductive.
May be enough?

[Genry]

Quote: mmaxx

Not inductive.
May be enough?

As in a wing, vortices simply add frontal area ....

[mmaxx]

Laminar flow no longer exists after about 30% of the aircraft's length. The step tolerances on the skins and joints of the mechanisms differ 2-3 times from nose to tail. Rivets already in the middle of the fuselage begin to be installed non-secret. First, there is turbulence closer to the skin, and then all hell knows what. Leave you alone with these whirlwinds. But if there is a vortex, this does not mean that it is an inductive reactance. Inductive is from lift in all its varieties. And if you stick your head out through the window and a whirlwind goes, this is drag.

[alex aircraft]

An 26 takes 5.5 tons, and Il 5 tons. And what is the progress? and look at the timing of the creation of An 24/26 in the Union and now ... and this with new technologies, when draftsmen are no longer needed.

[NEOZ]

Quote: Alex aircraft

An 26 takes 5.5 tons, and Il 5 tons. And what is the progress?

progress is that the Russian Federation (this is only 40% of the USSR) can afford the plane that the USSR made !!!!
I think it's very cool!

[keeper03]

Progress is that we are catching up with the USSR, but will we catch up!?!

[NEOZ]

Quote: keeper03

Progress is that we are catching up with the USSR, but will we catch up!?!

never will 140 million catch up with 300 million ...

[Bow]

Are you surprised that they managed without Estonians, Tajiks, Armenians, etc.? ))

[NEOZ]

Quote: Bow

Are you surprised that they managed without Estonians, Tajiks, Armenians, etc.? ))

Ukrainians, Belarusians ...

[Bow]

Without even going into details about how the inhabitants of modern Ukraine and Belarus are, in fact, Ukrainians and Belarusians, we can safely say that their total number, relative to the population remaining in Russia, is a much smaller percentage than you get. The positiveness of the total influence on our country during the period of the USSR of the republics, the population of which was mentioned by me in the previous post, as well as similar ones, causes, for me personally, great doubts.

[NEOZ]

rb10mln + ukr40mln = 50mln Russian citizens ...... not very bad! this is more than 1/3 of the population of today's Russia.

Quote: Bow

The positiveness of the total influence on our country during the period of the USSR of the republics, whose population was mentioned by me in the previous post, as well as similar ones, causes, personally, I have great doubts.

I think that these countries still gave our country some nuggets that participated in cooperative scientific and industrial ties, which would have a synergistic effect.

[Genry]

Quote: Alex aircraft

An 26 takes 5.5 tons, and Il 5 tons. And what is the progress?

If you need progress, then take the IL-76 right away.
And the customer needs a small aircraft.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alex aircraft

look at the timing of the creation of An 24/26 in the Union and now

How much can you compare? You will also attach Lavrenty Pavlovich here. Forget it. It's time to understand that the Russian Federation is a completely different country. For those who are too "smart", let me remind you that the An-26 is a SOVIET machine, produced in
SOVIET Ukraine and the entire USSR worked on this plane.

[Romanenko]

Nice plane, fly without troubles for a hundred years!

[Galleon]

He is ugly. How will it fly? C-130 and C-27J "Spartan" look nicer, An-26, Su-80 - beautiful planes.
The rump is sharp-ass under the keel for what?

[sifgame]

I am a fan of aviation and I agree with you, All Ilys are beautiful, and I look at him - some kind of idiot, an ugly duckling, well, maybe he will grow into a swan someday.

[Galleon]

It's probably impossible not to love airplanes, for their beauty, incl. If the plane were alive, it would grow into a swan. Of the ugly, I remember the deck Yak-38: near its fuselage was like the body of a cockroach, especially behind.

[sifgame]

Well, the Tu-22, which is not at all a beautiful plane, and not successful at all, has grown into a Tu-22M3 swan. And the Yak-38, yes, looks like a pregnant cockroach with short wings, but he can be forgiven for being vertical.

[mmaxx]

Beautiful plane

[S. Sergei]

For me, on the contrary, he is beautiful. "Rump" - for the hoist, you can load with it without assistance, very sensible.

[Galleon]

Quote: S. Sergei

Rump "- for hoists

Thank you, Sergey. this is a useful thing.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Galleon

He is ugly.

The main thing is that it performs its functions. Well, the fact that it is somewhat "thicker" than the An-26 is quite consistent with its more capacious cargo compartment. "Beluga" generally looks ugly, but it performs the functions laid down in it

[sifgame]

Yes, of course, the question of aesthetic perception of a particular person. I am also glad that it took off and, God forbid, it will be mass-produced. I am sure that it will be, as well as the IL-114.

[Zaurbek]

Did they add ranges, or what? It was 2t.km .....

[Genry]

Quote: Zaurbek

Did they add ranges, or what? It was 2t.km .....

Max range in terms of tank volume and practically no load.
A 2t.km with the specified carrying capacity.

[Zaurbek]

I see ... I'm plump ... lengthen the fuselage, a larger wing and two more propellers ... C-130

[d1975]

Of course uryakalki cons you are doing business! What's wrong in my mind? Education gives progress, but we, alas, do not have it like in the USSR. Blur in everything. Have you participated in the USE? Personally, I - yes, my child passed, and then at the institute I explained to him how to study correctly, and not as he was taught. Many libraries are scientific rubbish, there is almost no new and the old are taught so-so, this is the result.

[Genry]

Quote: d1975

Many libraries are scientific rubbish, there is almost no new and the old are taught so-so, this is the result.

Physics is completely different, now apples are falling up ??

[Zaurbek]

Physics and chemistry are the same, only the last Soviet textbooks of the 70-80s .... then until 00x they taught in German (modern), now everything is new and fresh in English. It turns out that an engineer or a doctor must know fluent English.

[Genry]

Quote: Zaurbek

It turns out that an engineer or a doctor must know fluent English.

Are you an adherent of the English world? New religion?
Knowledge does not depend on the language.
And why study in English, what has been translated (into English) from the originals in your native language?

[Zaurbek]

If modern works are published in English ..... where to get knowledge? I'm talking about natural sciences, not all crap.

[d1975]

And you write a term paper when the sources are dated and they are simply not in the library! How do you explain this? When the teachers themselves do not know why they are there at the institute, and the young are so stupid that one meeting was enough for me personally. You can even chase me with a bowl of ... s, but this does not change the essence. The main thing is the rector in the United Russia and science forward! We don't have a school, and we won't have a higher one either! Therefore, everything happens like this. And the main thing is to remove the management faculties, they are parasites of the country. The leaders are inside and out the only way. Well, a journalist should not manage space, but a sociologist of the Ministry of Economic Development. If you put a saddle on a cow, she will not become a horse! Not a general's son should be a general, but one worthy to become one!

[Vadim237]

"Many libraries are scientific rubbish, there is almost nothing new." Internet to help you here there are both old and new books on sciences and very specific progress is first of all given by ingenuity, interest and aspiration, the necessary knowledge is already gaining in the process.

[Castro Ruiz]

Protiv proektu bil peretyazhelen na 5t.
Khorosho 2t ubrali a shto s etimi 3?!

[Genry]

Finish your studies in order to establish the Cyrillic alphabet, then learn to count and only then write your half-thought opinion.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

In the topic about the plane it is necessary to discuss the exam of course! And let's cancel all the "uniform exams", why do we need these tickets for traffic rules, the delivery of driving, well, the teacher with the driving instructor put 5 points and that's it, let him go and learn the basics of driving in practice. And in general, all these PTE and PTB are pure memorization of norms, and not correct teaching why you cannot stick your fingers into the outlet.

[John22]

If after lightening the weight of the aircraft by 2 tons, the payload is now 2 tons - it turns out that at the time of the first flight the aircraft was not able to lift the payload?

[pleschakovai]

Forward to the heights of technical progress! Let's wait and see, however!

[senima56]

Uraaaaaaaa! He still flew, although not in a year, as promised, but still flew! I hope we really solved the problem with "excess weight" and now we will wait for him in the series! A very necessary airplane!

[Mikle2000]

A new aircraft can be developed in two years.
And one can only guess what else needs to be done, except for the modest "removed excess weight." The weight is at least easy to check, but as other parameters, starting with reliability.

[Kapkan]

Very nice and cute plane. I hope it will go into series and serve everyone for the good.

[Prisoner]

The crew is awesome. And the device looks nice too. In the flight range, they won almost twice, and the cargo was less by half a ton compared to the An-26. A good replacement for a veteran. Even more.

[nnz226]

They wrote about the first flight and said that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation considered that the plane had an extra couple of tons of weight, and demanded that this "obesity" be eliminated. When reporting on the second flight, they said that the plane "lost" by 200 kg, but this is not 2 tons. And how does the MO now feel about the "fat" aircraft?

[ramzay21]

A much needed plane. Faster in series