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Army of Great Turan against the CSTO

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Source: mod.gov.az


A few months ago, after the end of the war in Nagorno-Karabakh, we wrote about the grandiose plans of the Turkish President to create "Great Turan". But, as often happens, the topic turned out to be of little interest to a wide range of readers. The euphoria from the end of the bloodshed, another beautiful move by Russia and other things accompanying any victory turned out to be more important than geopolitical problems.

Today, after a certain time has passed, when it became clear to everyone who and what received after this war, we have to return to this topic. First of all, because President Erdogan did not confine himself to Azerbaijan. The expansion of the Turks to the east continues. Imperceptibly and in small steps, Turkish askers and janissaries sneak along our southern borders.

Until the thunder strikes


The mentality and disregard for danger quite often play cruel jokes with our people. We "harness for a long time", in the hope that the danger "will pass by itself" or "common sense will win." And then we "drive fast", crushing enemies left and right and covering the rear with the graves of heroes. At the same time, we scratch the back of our heads with questions about why we did not strangle the reptile in the bud and why did not we believe in the danger that many warned about?

You don't have to go far for an example. A neighboring, once fraternal, state. While we “harnessed” and waited for “sobering up”, a complete reformatting of people took place. Even today we live with the dreams of a first-grader - “to find a suitcase full of money on the road”. The political power will change, and the Ukrainians will become brothers again.

Tell me, do you believe it?

Do you believe that everyone, both we and they, will suddenly forget everything and return to the early 2000s? Do you believe that there will be a sudden enlightenment of the Ukrainian people, in the broadest sense of the word, and the east will love the west, and Lviv will become a twin city of Lugansk? Do you believe that all Donetsk residents want to become Russians and sever ties with Ukraine?

What happens when people really want something, Crimea showed well.

Alas, in my opinion, the time when the issue could be resolved with little blood is over. And the process of the disintegration of Ukraine that has begun cannot be stopped. How the civil war cannot be stopped without external force. All meetings of leaders, the desire of politicians and other clichés of the press that we hear and read every day are broken on the soul of an ordinary person, on his desire to defeat the enemy, and on both sides. There are a great many of those who have suffered somehow from the war.

It is the bitter experience of Ukraine that makes us talk today about the dangers of Recep Tayyip Erdogan's ideas. Already simply because the spread of such ideas is no longer something outside our borders, but something that will happen directly inside Russia, including. Let me remind you that our Turkic-speaking population lives compactly not only in the Central Asian region, but also in the North Caucasus, Tatarstan, Bashkiria, Chuvashia, Yakutia, Altai and Crimea.

Politics is the armor-piercing shell of the economy


Much has been written about Erdogan's plans to recreate a huge state based on the ideas of Pan-Turkism. Including on the pages of our publication. It is difficult to add something significant or open some other "closed page" in this matter. Therefore, let us consider the very idea of ​​Pan-Turkism from an economic point of view. Ultimately, the goal of any war, in whatever form it may be waged, is not just victory, but also compensation for costs at the expense of the loser.

Remember what happened immediately after Azerbaijan's victory in NK? The triumph of Azerbaijan with the open support of Baku by the Turks was somehow not overshadowed by the fact that Russian peacekeepers entered the region. No, there was some discontent among the radical nationalists from among the Azerbaijanis, but on the whole everyone took this fact calmly and with the understanding that this should be so.

Remember the assumptions about the composition of the peacekeeping force from the beginning? Most were inclined towards the Russian-Turkish MS. As a result, Turkey limited itself to the rights of an observer. In fact, abandoning the further stay in the region. Although, theoretically, there were no obstacles to the creation of joint MCs.

Hence the simple conclusion. Turkey at that time had already solved most of the tasks set for this time period, and the further presence of Turkish units there was considered inexpedient. Is it so?

Agree, after the victory, Ankara's influence on Baku increased significantly. First of all, the people of Azerbaijan. Now talk about the fraternal Turkish people can be heard much more often. Hence the economic interest of these states in each other grew. But is this the main thing? Ultimately, Azerbaijan will not be able to become the main foreign economic partner of the Republic of Turkey simply because it has a fairly limited sales market.

But we somehow keep silent about another task, a more global one. Transit of goods from China to Europe! For some reason, most readers forget that, in addition to the northern (through Russia) "Silk Road" and the southern (through Iran), there is also a "middle road". The one part of which Turkey took control of, helping Azerbaijan in the war. China - Central Asia - Transcaucasia - Turkey - Europe.

I think now we can see the places where the activity of Turkish diplomats, military and businessmen should be expected. Republics of Central Asia. First of all, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan. To some extent, Tajikistan. Simply put, I have listed the states where the interests of Russia and Turkey will directly clash.

Pan-Turkism as a sedative for some and a reason to open a wallet for others


After a short excursion into history economic desires of Ankara, a reasonable question arises about how we will divide these very paths and what threats arise for Russia from the point of view of security. That's right, from a security point of view! And here Pan-Turkism emerges again. Already as a single ideological platform of the Turkic-speaking peoples of several countries at once.

Remember the borders of the "Great Turan", according to the desires of the Turks? From the Mediterranean Sea to Altai, and possibly to Yakutia! Rave? I fully admit this interpretation. Moreover, I am sure that Altai and Yakutia are of little interest to Erdogan today. It is clear that there is a lot of wealth there, but Turkey will not be able to organize their extraction. And Russia, the same "Russian bear, will not give up its taiga to anyone (s)".

But what about Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan or Uzbekistan?

We will not give them away either? Or will we again hope for "sobering up politicians" and "the genetic memory of the people"? It's not in vain that I reminded about Ukraine. And also about how such hopes usually end.

I foresee objections from some readers. Russia should, we are to blame, and everything is in this style. Just yesterday I read one such interview, which concerns the Donbass, and wondered if we need such allies? Maybe the Americans and the British are right, who shamelessly rob and spread rot colonies and at the same time educate and feed the national elites? Do we have little experience of the USSR?

“I have repeatedly said that in order to return Ukraine without firing a single shot, it is enough to create a showcase of the Russian World in Donbass. In order to regain Russia's influence in the post-Soviet space and in the world in general, it is necessary to make Russia a showcase of a better life. Russia has gas, oil, diamonds, gold, smart, hardworking people, there is everything to develop. And if (or when) Russia becomes rich and strong, everyone will come and ask for it themselves. "

We reassure ourselves that Pan-Turkism today is more widespread in the cultural, ideological or diplomatic spheres. And for some reason we do not want to notice at all that these ideas are already being fully implemented in the military sphere. It is no longer a secret that our CSTO partners are actively cooperating with the Turks on military issues. It is no secret that joint exercises are being held in the Central Asian republics.

It seems to me, if we consider what is happening today, from completely radical positions, Pan-Turkism in perspective could lead to the creation of a new military bloc... Bloc of Turkic-speaking states. It is clear that this may not happen tomorrow or even the day after tomorrow. But can it?

I will try to clarify my position with some examples.

Is the idea of ​​a military bloc based on Pan-Turkism so utopian?


Let's go back a little to the past. 2018 year. An agreement on military and military-technical cooperation was signed between Turkey and Kazakhstan. Exactly the same agreement was signed in the midst of the Karabakh war (October 26-27, 2020) between Ankara and Tashkent. What is so unusual about that?

But let's look at what happened in two years in Kazakhstan. 200 officers of the Kazakh army were trained in military universities in Turkey and, accordingly, Turkish officers in Nur-Sultan received the same training. Moreover, if you just look at the photos of those who studied in Kazakhstan, you get an interesting picture. For some reason, Turkish officers bear little resemblance to the Turks. Some neutral persons without nationality, and some, in general, can be attributed to Europeans ...

The military specialties in which the training was carried out are also interesting - intelligence specialists, special forces, propaganda units, and the general staff. The purpose of the training is a deep study of post-Soviet military regulations and models of behavior, as well as practical work in a Russian-speaking environment.

Do you think that's all? The story has a continuation. It is possible that some of the Kazakh "graduates" actively worked in Azerbaijan during the war ...

And we are silent and wait for "sobering up". Even then, we are silent when the army of Kazakhstan decided to purchase the Turkish Bayraktar TB2 drones. Despite the fact that we see an increase in military cooperation between a CSTO member and a NATO member. We are silent. And we listen to the peaceful rhetoric of Kazakh politicians.

Isn't that weird?

Even a completely "fresh" agreement with Uzbekistan has already borne fruit. Those who were born in the USSR remember the Friendship Bridge in Termez. So, it was near this bridge, at the training ground that was once used to prepare Soviet soldiers for sending to the DRA, on March 26, the joint exercises of the special forces of the armies of Turkey and Uzbekistan ended. The exercises were attended by the heads of the general staffs of both armies - General Yashar Guler and Major General Shukhrat Khalmukhammedov.

By the way, the Uzbek general expressed an interesting idea in an interview. I will quote Shukhrat Khalmukhammedov:

“The peoples of the two countries are linked by bonds of friendship and brotherhood.

Tashkent attaches particular importance to the development of cooperation with Ankara. "

Conclusions continued


It is clear that today there are many people who will join the ranks of “fighters for all that is good, against all that is bad. “Do not push, do not invent, we believe in the minds of peoples” ... and so on. I already talked about this at the beginning of the article.

To be honest, I have not "pumped up" once. And I believed in all these slogans about genetic memory, about healthy forces within the people, etc. It was in 2013, when an interesting organization called the "Association of Law Enforcement Agencies of Military Status" appeared. And the composition of the organization will surprise you: Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kyrgyzstan and Mongolia.

Draw lines connecting these countries ... And add the thoughts that you just read above. So what? Stop pumping? Or, after all, take a sober view of the situation and think about the answers to new dangers.

It is already clear today that Erdogan's geopolitical plans are much broader than the interests of his own state. And the creation of the "Association ..." is unlikely to have passed without agreement with NATO. It is somehow difficult to believe in the complete autonomy of a member of the alliance.

Moreover, I will take the liberty of suggesting that the policy of the Turkish president is not so much a challenge to Russia today as to everyone who is against the policy of the alliance, and therefore the United States and Great Britain. This includes China, Iran, and all those who resist expansion. And the fact that during the post-Soviet period the Turks were able to educate the pro-Turkish elite in Asian countries proves this.

You read the Turkish press and notice how the supporters of Pan-Turkism have become more active. Especially in matters of military cooperation.

Knowing about the danger is already half the victory. And we know ...
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  1. apro
    apro April 1 2021 15: 07
    +6
    Politics is the armor-piercing shell of the economy

    Or maybe vice versa: a strong economy is the guarantee of a strong policy.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 1 2021 15: 26
      +3
      Quote: apro
      Or maybe vice versa: a strong economy is the guarantee of a strong policy.

      means that politics is a tool for solving economic problems
      1. apro
        apro April 1 2021 15: 34
        +8
        Quote: Flood
        means that politics is a tool for solving economic problems

        There is no such tool. The weakness of the economy is not compensated by any verbiage.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 1 2021 15: 36
          +2
          Quote: apro
          There is no such tool. The weakness of the economy does not compensate for any verbiage

          as you say
          Are we going to burn political science textbooks?
          or is it better to waste paper?
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana April 1 2021 17: 44
            +4
            Politics is a concentrated expression of the economic interests of an individual, a group of people, societies, classes, peoples and nations, countries and states, religious and professional corporations - in a specific ideological framework ..
            1. antivirus
              antivirus April 1 2021 19: 03
              0
              politics - a three times overbought economy ............................................. .................who pays?
        2. Victorio
          Victorio April 1 2021 15: 45
          +1
          Quote: apro
          Quote: Flood
          means that politics is a tool for solving economic problems

          There is no such tool. The weakness of the economy is not compensated by any verbiage.

          ===
          kim il sung disagree
          1. apro
            apro April 1 2021 15: 47
            -6
            Quote: Victorio
            kim il sung disagree

            Kma and Yaba have a strong army derived from a strong self-sufficient economy.
            1. Overlock
              Overlock April 1 2021 20: 45
              +24
              Quote: apro
              a strong army derived from a strong self-sufficient economy.

              That is why, in 2019, North Korea asked the UN for humanitarian assistance due to food shortages in the country: the country lacked 1.4 million tons of food - rice, wheat, potatoes and soybeans.
              1. gsev
                gsev April 2 2021 18: 16
                +1
                Quote: Overlock
                That is why, in 2019, North Korea asked the UN for humanitarian assistance due to food shortages in the country.

                So the DPRK staged an energy blockade .. If the supply of oil and oil products were now banned to Ukraine or Belarus, many more people would die of hunger there than in the DPRK in the 1990s. It is clear that Trump needs North Korea as a springboard for the invasion of China and Russia from the east. Xi Zingping does not want to have a country with nuclear weapons on its borders, which will complicate the expansion of China in the future. But why did Putin need sanctions against the DPRK? Did the Chinese twist his arms forcing him to sign?
              2. Jager
                Jager April 4 2021 09: 54
                0
                I wonder who imposed sanctions and restrictions on North Korea, which has very limited resources? The southern ones were "fed", they, like Japan, live only on supplies from abroad.
                Aren't these same guys from the "friendly" UN, for which the United States stands and imposed bans?
          2. Doccor18
            Doccor18 April 1 2021 17: 30
            +3
            Quote: Victorio
            Quote: apro
            Quote: Flood
            means that politics is a tool for solving economic problems

            There is no such tool. The weakness of the economy is not compensated by any verbiage.

            ===
            kim il sung disagree

            Kim is the exception to the rule.
            That rare case when three factors are uniquely intertwined: 1- a very hardworking and incredibly loyal people, 2- the presence of an atomic bomb, 3- a powerful ally (after all, China will support the DPRK, in any case, because it is better to have a poor person at hand, but independent neighbor than another puppet of the West). This combination makes the DPRK's policy strong and recognizable, against the backdrop of a very weak own economy ...
          3. Azimuth
            Azimuth April 1 2021 18: 43
            +3
            For fun, check out North Korea's economic performance.
          4. gsev
            gsev April 2 2021 18: 00
            0
            Quote: Victorio
            Quote: apro
            Quote: Flood
            means that politics is a tool for solving economic problems

            There is no such tool. The weakness of the economy is not compensated by any verbiage.

            ===
            kim il sung disagree

            The DPRK independently produces almost all types of weapons. This speaks to the strength of their economy. In addition, in mountainous terrain, simple self-sufficiency in food requires a fairly strong economy.
        3. Doccor18
          Doccor18 April 1 2021 17: 21
          +3
          Quote: apro
          ... that the weakness of the economy is not compensated by any verbiage.

          I absolutely agree.
          And China is a prime example of this.
          Did the Celestial Empire have a lot of political influence 50-60 years ago? Maoism was famous. But there was not much influence. And now? The PRC gathers summits, conferences, which are attended by representatives (and even leaders) of dozens of states. After all, economics makes politics ...
          1. Monster_Fat
            Monster_Fat April 1 2021 21: 44
            -1
            "Pan-Turkism" is what drives Erdogan. At one time, in order to ensure the laying of a pipe across the Black Sea, the multi-way operator "shot" himself not just in the leg, but in the head and saved Erdogan. This deed is already haunted by Russia, and will come back to haunt more, with big troubles for her, in the future. But the pipe lying at the bottom of the Black Sea and the desire to annoy the "partners", in due time, won the mind. Alas. ... sad
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 April 2 2021 08: 28
              0
              Quote: Monster_Fat
              This deed is already haunted by Russia, and will come back to haunt more, with big troubles for her, in the future. But the pipe lying at the bottom of the Black Sea ...

              Think it’s a pipe? The pipe, I think, is just another reason ...
              And behind the "mask of gratification" the "stach mask" is easily hidden ...
  2. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 1 2021 15: 10
    0
    I'll start with the fact that in fact there is no ODKB, there they suck all Russia with bad loans, there is no sense from this organization
    Turkey uses its MTR potential 100%
    In Libya, Syria, Qatar, their SSO is efficient, and this is despite the fact that there are few of them, in the special forces there are only 100 fighters in burgundy berets
    Effective cho
  3. Woodman
    Woodman April 1 2021 15: 10
    +4
    The political power will change, and the Ukrainians will become brothers again.
    After 45, when the political power changed, the Poles, Hungarians, Romanians and East Germans were, if not brothers, then allies for 40 years.
    As a result, Turkey limited itself to the rights of an observer.
    Is Turkey limited or is Turkey limited?
  4. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik April 1 2021 15: 11
    -2
    Key excerpts from the leaders' statements "Turkic Council" during yesterday's informal summit:

    President Kazakhstan Kassym-Jomart Tokayev: “Having received religious knowledge from Akhmed Yasavi, our ancestors began to spread the Turkic and Islamic culture. Our goal is to turn the Turkic world into one of the most important economic and cultural spaces in the XNUMXst century. Status upgrade advice takes time "
    First President of Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbayev: "The use of the Latin alphabet gives us a common system, thanks to which we are able to contribute at the global level"

    President Kyrgyzstan Sadyr Japarov: “The Turkic Council has become the most important and prestigious platform for Turkic integration. The strategic concept "Turkic Vision - 2040" is being developed, which will become a roadmap for integration. The creation of the Turkic World Investment Fund will play an important role in the implementation of common projects»

    President Of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev: “The withdrawal of Zangezur from Azerbaijan and its annexation to Armenia led to the geographical dismemberment of the Turkic world, but from November 10 [as a result of the Karabakh war], we will now be able to use Zangezur in transport and infrastructure projectswhich will create additional opportunities for other countries, including for Armenia itself "

    President Of Uzbekistan Shavkat Mirziyoyev: “The countries of Central Asia will be able to enter European countries through Turkey and Azerbaijan, and Turkey and Azerbaijan through our countries will be able to go to the East. It's time for us to create our own investment fund and development bank of the Turkic World»

    The informal summit was also attended by the heads of Hungary and Turkmenistan, Viktor Orban and Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov, whose countries are "observers" in the organization. Most likely, within a year, Hungary and Turkmenistan will become official members of the "Turkic Council".
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED April 1 2021 19: 20
      -1
      The leadership of the Turkic-speaking countries sees the Turks as brothers. The author even quotes you, too.
      And who do they see in "our" oligarchs and those in power? Obviously not his brothers.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik April 1 2021 19: 41
        0
        If you read more carefully, you will see that, first of all, the questions lie in the field of economics. Turkestan and China are competitors, to promote common interests it is necessary to unite and access to markets is needed. Therefore, Turkey and Azerbaijan are needed (Georgia and Armenia too). Therefore, the "Turkic Council" is being created. In the future it will be transformed into an analogue of the European Union, of course there will be then or parallel to the Turkic NATO.
        Who Russia will be depends only on us. If the country is economically developed, expands markets, gives an opportunity to earn money, then everyone will immediately forget about Turan, quickly join the Customs Union and the CSTO. If stagnation, global isolation, and rapprochement with China continue, the situation will worsen to the point of conflicts.

        All this talk about the Turkic brotherhood is a screen, everyone is interested in profit. There are also many reasons for rapprochement with the Russian Federation, a common past, national and religious tolerance, and many common interests.
        But China is a common irritant for everyone, they have already captured a third of Turkestan and no one likes what is happening there.
  5. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze April 1 2021 15: 15
    +8
    When I bought Ahmet Davutoglu's book, Strategic Depth (if I translate it correctly into Russian), I hoped that there would be something interesting, like Kissinger's Diplomacy. Why what and old Henry is a genius in his knowledge. You may disagree with him, but the book is a pleasure.

    And "Strategic Depth" turned out to be a boring revelation of a narrow-minded Islamist, but it very well shows the brainless and arrogant ambitions of the Turks. So I advise you to read it, although this will not bring you pleasure.
    1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
      Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 1 2021 19: 40
      .
      Why write that? What for? Great Turan implies the inclusion of all our Turkic lands in it! These are Russia and Bulgaria and other countries that were once Turkic. All of us will be given equal rights in such a Great State! We will become the first power on the planet and devour new lands! The whole planet will become the Great Turan! Peace, prosperity and tranquility will come!
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze April 1 2021 19: 42
        +7
        These are Russia and Bulgaria and other countries that were once Turkic.


        Would you go to the doctor, huh?
        1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
          Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 1 2021 19: 43
          .
          I am healthy! But what are you writing? It is necessary to strive for unification, not for discord! You are the carrier of our Turkic genes, you are our brother! You end up rejecting them!
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze April 1 2021 20: 32
            +9
            You are the carrier of our Turkic genes, you are our brother!


            All theocratic powers are the priest of the world. Progress, education, freedom are all below the plinth. Once Pervez Musharaf said that the biggest problem of the Muslim world is education. So my brothers are atheists, not you. This is the first.

            Second. There is a science of genetics. And all studies of the genotype of modern Bulgarians show that we have 0,7% of the haplogroup characteristic of the Turks. So the Tambov wolf is your brother, not me. We have R1a, R1b and local Thracian blood. And shove your stupid propaganda of the Turks to hell.
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            5. Rita Aletdinova 1999
              Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 02: 23
              -3
              Atheists are fools, and Bulgarians are believers. By the way, those genes that you described are abundant in Caucasians and Kirghiz, which means that they are your brothers.
              1. AĞGURD
                AĞGURD April 29 2021 21: 04
                0
                quarrel Rita it was written to neva .. love
        2. AĞGURD
          AĞGURD April 13 2021 23: 30
          -1
          like you are such a great connoisseur of history that you have the right to give advice on what to do to the rest (you should turn to the doctor, huh?) ... or maybe you should read a worthy history and not bullshit or fairy tales of the 20th century
      2. Overlock
        Overlock April 1 2021 20: 47
        +28
        Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Great Turan implies the inclusion of all our Turkic lands in it!

        That's what the pike is for, so that the crucian does not doze
      3. Tank hard
        Tank hard April 1 2021 21: 50
        +3
        Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Great Turan implies the inclusion of all our Turkic lands in it! This is Russia

        Good appetite, but no education. laughing Dream and keep serving customers. wink
        1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
          Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 02: 20
          -2
          You can handle them much better)
          1. AĞGURD
            AĞGURD April 13 2021 23: 34
            -2
            do not pay attention to Rita ... believe in all of them Turkic blood flows ... we know that ...
      4. hydroy
        hydroy April 2 2021 11: 18
        +5
        I take off like a rocket for me there is the whole planet))))) Go far and for a long time with your Turan, from Russia with love)
      5. Colonel Alex
        Colonel Alex April 15 2021 10: 09
        +1
        The person himself will not approach such a thought :)). I wonder where you got it, from your Turkish husband, in a Turkish special school or in an Islamic circle?
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        3. Rita Aletdinova 1999
          Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 16 2021 16: 36
          0
          Well, it's not your propaganda for me to "eat". We lived well under the Golden Horde, and under Great Turan we will live even better! You will like it yourself!
          1. Colonel Alex
            Colonel Alex April 30 2021 13: 25
            0
            You tell this to the wives (widows) of the militants and their children evacuated from Syria, I met 3 such aircraft. The Golden Horde enthusiasm was completely discouraged from them.
            1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
              Rita Aletdinova 1999 1 May 2021 19: 38
              -2
              What do terrorists and extremists have to do with Turks and Tatars? None! Over 90% people are adequate here.
              1. Colonel Alex
                Colonel Alex 12 May 2021 10: 12
                0
                Yes, you are still too young to understand the differences between the ideology you advocate and common sense and real history. You probably need to see enough of the horrors of war in order to realize what kind of nonsense you are talking about.
              2. Colonel Alex
                Colonel Alex 12 May 2021 10: 18
                0
                Yes, and in the course of your education you could not do without a Turkish special school, at least by your age you would have had time to study in it before their mass closure
                1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                  Rita Aletdinova 1999 12 May 2021 16: 02
                  -2
                  I do not answer rudeness. I am beyond that.
  6. Niko
    Niko April 1 2021 15: 17
    +2
    There is one sober thought in the article, about the "showcase of the Russian world", with reservations, of course. But the conclusion is actually unambiguous: if ALL countries around you do not see anything good for them in your actions, and for various reasons, both subjective and objective, they do not consider that in the past your actions were "good", expect that they ( neighbors) will rush into your arms - it's silly. And the fact that they are looking for support is quite understandable, but what is not from Russia: a reason to think.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 1 2021 21: 45
      -4
      Quote: Niko
      , about the "showcase of the Russian world", with reservations, of course. But the conclusion is in fact unambiguous: if ALL countries around you do not see anything good for them in your actions, and for various reasons, both subjective and objective, they do not consider that in the past your actions were “for the good”, expect that they ( neighbors) will rush into your arms - silly. And the fact that they are looking for support is quite understandable, but what is not from Russia: a reason to think.

      A reason for the leadership of the Russian Federation to think about why these countries need Russia? The most pragmatic relationship is needed, without any admixture of supposedly "brotherly feelings". And let them throw themselves into the arms of anyone, let anyone love them, fair wind. wink
      1. Niko
        Niko April 1 2021 22: 10
        -5
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Quote: Niko
        , about the "showcase of the Russian world", with reservations, of course. But the conclusion is in fact unambiguous: if ALL countries around you do not see anything good for them in your actions, and for various reasons, both subjective and objective, they do not consider that in the past your actions were “for the good”, expect that they ( neighbors) will rush into your arms - silly. And the fact that they are looking for support is quite understandable, but what is not from Russia: a reason to think.

        A reason for the leadership of the Russian Federation to think about why these countries need Russia? The most pragmatic relationship is needed, without any admixture of supposedly "brotherly feelings". And let them throw themselves into the arms of anyone, let anyone love them, fair wind. wink

        Pragmatic YES. That is, without these emotions: we (Russia) are special, you (everyone around) owe us something, if not to be friends, it is more profitable for us to cooperate than to confront everyone alone (supporting our ego). I agree, it will be better
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard April 1 2021 23: 55
          +1
          Quote: Niko
          : we (russia)

          Russia is spelled with a capital letter. A patriot should know about this. request
      2. AĞGURD
        AĞGURD April 29 2021 22: 27
        0
        about who rushed to whom and who needs whom more is a controversial question ... first of all, "you" is not Russia ...
  7. the finish
    the finish April 1 2021 15: 18
    0
    From Aliyev's speech on the Syunik region of Armenia on the border with Iran:
    “Now the ancient land of Azerbaijan Zangezur will play the role of uniting the Turkic world. Since transport, communication, infrastructure projects passing through Zangezur will unite the entire Turkic world, as well as create additional opportunities for other countries, including Armenia, ”Aliyev said, speaking at the unofficial summit of the Cooperation Council of Turkic-speaking States, Interfax reports -Azerbaijan.
    Azerbaijan continues its provocative policy. The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has today circulated an invented map, where "a part of the sovereign territories of the Republic of Armenia was" included "in the territory of Azerbaijan. This provocative step is a gross encroachment on the territorial integrity of Armenia. International actors, including the OSCE Minsk Group co-chair countries and separately Russia, as an ally of Armenia and the guarantor of the truce, must respond appropriately to this extremely destructive act on the part of Baku.
    Turkey:
    Turkey sent condolences to Azerbaijan on the "genocide committed by Armenians against Azerbaijanis in 1918". “We honor the memory of our Azerbaijani brothers, who were destroyed by the Armenians 103 years ago, we share the pain of our Azerbaijani Turkish brothers,” the Turkish Defense Ministry said.
    Uzbek President: "Uzbekistan is ready to make its contribution to the restoration of ancient monuments, objects of culture and education on the land of Nagorno-Karabakh." It was the President of Uzbekistan who promised his brother Ilham, and also cordially congratulated him and the Azerbaijani people: "with the return of the territories of Nagorno-Karabakh and the restoration of historical justice."
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 1 2021 21: 42
      0
      Quote: finish
      From Aliyev's speech on the Syunik region of Armenia on the border with Iran:
      “Now the ancient land of Azerbaijan Zangezur will play the role of uniting the Turkic world. Since transport, communication, infrastructure projects passing through Zangezur will unite the entire Turkic world, as well as create additional opportunities for other countries, including Armenia, ”Aliyev said, speaking at the unofficial summit of the Cooperation Council of Turkic-speaking States, Interfax reports -Azerbaijan.
      Azerbaijan continues its provocative policy. The Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan has today circulated an invented map, where "a part of the sovereign territories of the Republic of Armenia was" included "in the territory of Azerbaijan. This provocative step is a gross encroachment on the territorial integrity of Armenia. International actors, including the OSCE Minsk Group co-chair countries and separately Russia, as an ally of Armenia and the guarantor of the truce, must respond appropriately to this extremely destructive act on the part of Baku.
      Turkey:
      Turkey sent condolences to Azerbaijan on the "genocide committed by Armenians against Azerbaijanis in 1918". “We honor the memory of our Azerbaijani brothers, who were destroyed by the Armenians 103 years ago, we share the pain of our Azerbaijani Turkish brothers,” the Turkish Defense Ministry said.
      Uzbek President: "Uzbekistan is ready to make its contribution to the restoration of ancient monuments, objects of culture and education on the land of Nagorno-Karabakh." It was the President of Uzbekistan who promised his brother Ilham, and also cordially congratulated him and the Azerbaijani people: "with the return of the territories of Nagorno-Karabakh and the restoration of historical justice."

      Ну и что? laughing
  8. Fungus
    Fungus April 1 2021 15: 19
    -5
    What Turan they would get on their feet first
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 April 1 2021 16: 20
      +2
      Quote: Fungus
      What Turan they would get on their feet first


      No, the possibility of its appearance is very large in the medium and long term. And it seems to me that it is not so much Turkey playing the game as Great Britain, and a subtle game .... of course there is no evidence of this, but the connection of the head of the Mi-6 with Turkey (and his good relations with the leadership) is also something they say, + Turkey's umbrella in NATO, another member would have been put in place a long time ago (taking into account the events in the BV and in Central Asia), but here you can see that there is a good roof ... and so many unrelated events indicate this, and if it is indeed, such a policy will ultimately lead to a clash between Turkey and Russia and China, on the basis of Pan-Turkism and the strengthening of Turkey's influence on the regions of Russia and China (which has Uighurs) ... and the Turanian army fits perfectly into this scenario, in otherwise, there is simply no sense in its existence. those. in this region, only Russia and China are the main players.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 1 2021 21: 40
      0
      Quote: Fungus
      What Turan they would get on their feet first

      The number of minuses indicates a high level of intelligence among the "experts" who threw these minuses. laughing
      1. Cheldon
        Cheldon April 2 2021 05: 34
        +3
        Quote: Tank Hard
        The number of minuses indicates a high level of intelligence among the "experts" who threw these minuses

        Pan-Turkic zaslantsy, such as soft Kotika, set minuses. And when did the Uzbeks slaughter the Turks in Fergana? Oh well.
  9. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik April 1 2021 15: 25
    +2
    Key players in Central Asia are Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan. The Turks signed an agreement on military and military-technical cooperation with both countries. Kazakhstan is pursuing a fairly balanced policy in supplying equipment for the modernization of its troops.
    The problem is in Uzbekistan, they have an extremely outdated Army, with weapons created in the USSR. In any case, they need rearmament. The Turks can sell them all types of weapons and equipment, train their army. Following the example of Azerbaijan. The key problem is that it will all be according to NATO standards.
    And they started to do it.

    In 2017, the Turkish private defense company Nurol Makina signed a memorandum of understanding with the Uzbek UzAuto on the joint production of 1000 Eider Yalcin armored vehicles at an enterprise in Uzbekistan. Photos and videos from recent exercises.


  10. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko April 1 2021 15: 33
    +9
    Pan-Turkism, dear author, has long been in Russian stores, and not at the borders, as you deigned to say. These are Turkish shoes, household appliances, other consumer goods. Tomatoes, garlic, apples ..
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 April 1 2021 16: 18
      -2
      Both soap and lemons.
      And this is a given.

      However, Grebenshchikov long ago shouted "Old Russian melancholy."
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 1 2021 21: 33
      0
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      .This is Turkish shoes

      Junk, boots and the season did not pass. laughing
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  12. Svarog
    Svarog April 1 2021 15: 38
    +4
    Moreover, I will take the liberty of suggesting that the policy of the President of Turkey is today a challenge not so much to Russia as to everyone who is against the policy of the alliance, and therefore the United States and Great Britain.

    It is the UK that supports Turkey in this policy.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 1 2021 16: 00
      +3
      It is always amusing to talk about the alleged conflict between the "West" and Turkey. Great Britain is a direct ally of Turkey and one of the main beneficiaries of Erdogan's policies. There is always an English banker behind the Turkish soldier. Naturally, the United States also supports their policy, but it is more complicated there, there are many trends with different goals.

      The main one who was forgotten in this article is China. They are a direct and obvious threat to Central Asia. Economic, cultural, military. It is necessary to consolidate against it. Russia is increasingly falling under China, which means there is no hope for it. That leaves Turkey and Britain with the United States. Turkey is a fraternal people, gaining strength, but not enough to be absorbed. The United States and England are too far but superior to China, the Anglo-Saxons have already entered Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, most of the oil industry is under them. Further they will expand their influence.
  13. rocket757
    rocket757 April 1 2021 15: 41
    +1
    So wanting too much is no longer useful. to open your mouth to someone else's, it's just dangerous ...
  14. ALARI
    ALARI April 1 2021 15: 47
    +6
    The author probably wanted to say the army of the Great Turan against the army of Russia. What kind of CSTO, if something happens, then only Armenia can fit in, and even then, in the end.
    1. boni592807
      boni592807 April 1 2021 20: 05
      -1
      ALARI (Artem), Today, 15:47, NEW - "... The author probably wanted to say the army of the Great Turan against the army of Russia. What kind of CSTO, if something happens, then only Armenia can fit in, and even then, at the end ...."

      p.1 - "+" recourse p.2 - it is unlikely that the Russian Federation did not "save" Artsakh (N. Karabakh) for Armenia. Although they themselves did not recognize him ... but how they wanted the Russian Federation to give the "chestnut" to them.
      1. ALARI
        ALARI April 1 2021 20: 13
        +2
        That is why I said at the end, and only in order to be in the camp of the winners, and of course not because Armenia is such an honest ally. Nothing personal, just profit.
  15. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 1 2021 16: 01
    +3
    In order for third countries to approach us, we need to be an understandable country for the third world, because they all hear conversations on political shows. Many have frank imperial speeches. Thus, they put us on a par with the countries of the West. Under the Soviets, such speeches were subject to a criminal article for inciting militarism. It is very bad that all centers are concentrated in the European part of our country. Living in the provinces itself changes the character of the best.
  16. Emil Azeri
    Emil Azeri April 1 2021 16: 04
    .

    1. Cheldon
      Cheldon April 1 2021 18: 37
      +3
      Cheerful dog-symbol of Turan. Cool! good
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard April 1 2021 21: 28
        0
        Quote: Cheldon
        dog symbol of Turan

        Or a coyote. laughing
        1. Cheldon
          Cheldon April 2 2021 06: 03
          +3
          Quote: Tank Hard
          Or a coyote.

          Or jackal laughing
      2. AĞGURD
        AĞGURD April 13 2021 23: 49
        -3
        some two have head larks (apparently Chernobyl)
        1. Cheldon
          Cheldon April 15 2021 07: 45
          0
          Quote: AĞGURD
          some two have head larks (apparently Chernobyl)

          This two-headed lark will take a ram (jackal) by the greyhound and easily raise it to a height, and then throw it down to the ground. And the Arctic fox will come to the jackal.
    2. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 1 2021 21: 27
      +4
      Why are the letters in Latin? There aren't any of our own ... laughing
    3. andrew42
      andrew42 April 5 2021 12: 37
      +1
      An ominous cover with a toothy wolf, as I understand it, the promise of a happy future under the rule of the Great Turan? - At the sight of such a wolf, the hand instinctively tries to find the bolt of the rifle. The symbol is good for its frankness, Continue to blunt in the spirit of the same attractiveness. It's one thing to call yourself from the Wolf Family, and quite another to portray this wolf and bite your teeth. The clinic is not being treated.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 April 5 2021 13: 14
        +1
        Minus? - better make the wolf prettier. Maybe it will help :))
      2. AĞGURD
        AĞGURD April 13 2021 23: 59
        -3
        Some two have head larks (apparently from Chernobyl) At the sight of such a mutant, and perhaps a hint of a two-faced creature .. the hand instinctively tries to find the ring of a grenade or a dagger. The symbol is good for its frankness.It is one thing to call yourself EAGLE, and quite another to portray a two-headed mutant sick on the head or a two-faced (two-faced) creature. The clinic is not being treated.
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 April 14 2021 16: 33
          +2
          What, the proud Turkic temper leaped up? Cool down, man. They tell you that the wolf is scary drawn, and this plays against attracting sympathy to your side. The wolf is a dangerous animal, but noble, and it is the oldest military symbol, not only yours, not only Turkoman. But the symbol is fighting, cruel, and not peaceful. Under the symbol of the Wolf, it is good to fight, but to build and unite is bad. Think about it. And about the 2-headed eagle is not at all in the topic - it is a sacral / philosophical symbol, not a clan one, - a symbol of the unity of spiritual and secular power, and belongs to those who use it, and not by clan-tribe. More creative symbols must be chosen for the unification process. And a cleft palate is a shitty advertisement. You won't understand - your grief.
  17. knn54
    knn54 April 1 2021 16: 08
    +5
    Alexander, Thank you VERY MUCH. I have been waiting for an article on this topic for a long time.
    The idea of ​​pan-Turkism (arose almost a century and a half ago, among the Muslims of the Volga region, but was eliminated by the gendarmes as much as possible and in time) grew into pan-Turkism. The author of the latter was an English Jew, traveler and British intelligence agent Vambery.
    The first "carriers" were the Young Turks (Enver Pasha and Co.), who were patronized by the British. Basmachism was on their conscience.
    Turks feel confident today; at least a quarter of a century ago, the Turkish mafia began to squeeze the locals.
    And do not forget the Transcaucasia and the North Caucasus-Adjara, Abkhazia, Chechnya, and Azerbaijan too.
    Of course a plus.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 1 2021 21: 25
      -5
      Quote: knn54
      , Chechnya

      Turks too ?! laughing
      1. AĞGURD
        AĞGURD April 14 2021 23: 14
        -1
        Quote: Tank Hard
        Quote: knn54
        , Chechnya

        Turks too ?! laughing

        yes ... they are from the Kipchaks ... Seljuk Turks ... Azerbaijanis-Oghuz Manneans, Medes, Scythians, Khazars, Albanians) and other Turkic ethnic groups who periodically resettled here (Huns, Gargars, Sabirs, Kypchaks), in general, honestly speaking, a Turkic ethnos where then more than 100 or maybe 200 peoples today are ... and how many have disappeared ...!?
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard April 15 2021 06: 43
          0
          it remains to write the ancient Greeks into the Turks. Until tears! laughing
          1. AĞGURD
            AĞGURD April 29 2021 21: 00
            -1
            Turks do not need to be different from some to ascribe someone else's to themselves ... but why do you find it funny, I am very interested ... or maybe you can tell us together we will laugh ...) oh
  18. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn April 1 2021 16: 15
    +11
    in the 90s, after training his officers in Turkey, Turkmenbashi grabbed his head and abruptly stopped this practice, they were not so much trained as agents of influence, but a real eastern satrap then solved this problem physically.
  19. Radikal
    Radikal April 1 2021 16: 34
    +3
    Quote: Flood
    Quote: apro
    There is no such tool. The weakness of the economy does not compensate for any verbiage

    as you say
    Are we going to burn political science textbooks?
    or is it better to waste paper?

    Political science textbooks were written by the same liars - political scientists, whom Ilf and Petrov called "pike vests". lol wassat
  20. steelmaker
    steelmaker April 1 2021 16: 34
    -3
    The author is right. But the fact is that Putin loves to play for a long time, and he has chosen such a team for himself - mediocrities. To shine against their background. Therefore, what comes to the "cook" will not reach our government soon.
  21. igorra
    igorra April 1 2021 16: 57
    +5
    But who needs this pan-Turkism, while Erdogan gives money - the Turks are friends. After all, Turkey wants to dominate in Great Turan and who will give it to do it in the same Uzbekistan, where they remember how Tamerlane defeated the Turks, and took Sultan Bayazid prisoner and drove him in a cage until he died. And the battle, wait a minute, was near the current capital of Turkey. So: eat something he will eat, but who will give him.
  22. Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 1 2021 17: 15
    +3
    The mentality and disregard for danger quite often play cruel jokes with our people ...

    The people have something to do with it? The people have no time. 75% - works in two / three jobs in order to pay off loans / mortgages, and so that there is also left for a sandwich. 20% - thumps. And 5% have completely different problems: either the piston is worn out, or the price of Gazprom shares fell ...
    Who among the people before Pan-Turkism / Turan? The people, for the most part, on TV and watch the news about Ukraine, Belarus, Syria, as on some kind of show ...

    So what about the post-Soviet space? The choice is limited. Or to keep these countries "in tight-knit gloves", putting pro-Russian-minded rulers. Or - to become an analogue of Switzerland, raising the economy and living standards of the indigenous population to the skies, then, perhaps, the former republics will be pulled back ...
    Both the one and the other option, to put it mildly, are not easy to execute. And who should implement them? This is what Patriot politicians should do ...
    In the meantime, the entire perimeter of our Motherland is slowly but surely becoming very alien, and more often, hostile ...
  23. parusnik
    parusnik April 1 2021 18: 12
    +4
    I, as I understand it, need to unite again? Now against Pan-Turkism? Are you not sure about the peoples who live on the territory of Russia? If you are not sure, there is a way out, in the echelons of those peoples in which you are not sure and go ahead, develop the Far Eastern hectare. Are you not sure in the Central Asian states? Russia must offer the same solution to the problem, something better than pan-Turkism. The trouble is that there is nothing to offer, no ideas, no products. smile
  24. Tank hard
    Tank hard April 1 2021 18: 57
    +3
    The author again piled up the fence. First of all, the interests of China and Turkey will clash in Central Asia if Turkey starts moving there more actively. Secondly, the brotherhood of the Turkic peoples is a somewhat vague concept, it is akin to the Slavic brotherhood, where Poles, Ukrainians, Croats, Serbs, Bosnians are often "brothers". laughing How did the author put Tajikistan (Tajiks, "Iranian-speaking" people) here, only he knows? How is Turkey with its economy able to pull off such a project, is it muddy ..? Well, in general ... why did everyone decide that the peoples of Central Asia are asleep and see a new master over themselves? This is not very clear. It is unlikely that Turkey is going to introduce equality in the invented "empire" of Turan. And will everyone associate themselves as brothers Azerbaijan? Especially the "younger" ones? repeat
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 1 2021 21: 23
      +1
      Quote: Tank Hard

      -2

      Minus is, of course, an argument! laughing
    2. AĞGURD
      AĞGURD April 14 2021 00: 58
      -2
      you are all wrong to argue and think about Turan and the Turkic countries ... to be uncooperative does not mean to obey this in the first place ... Putin and Erdogan graciously, though late, understood and accepted Heydar Aliyev's idea about TURAN ... on the street the 21st century has already changed a lot ... the Turks and Russians will no longer be able to fight each other, both will lose ... the west will win ... what is the use of a weak neighbor ... the Turks are not satisfied with a weak Russia and Russia a weak south ... because you saw what turned out to be the result of Turkey's withdrawal from Pakistan or Western countries of the country in NATO ..? but imagine Azerbaijan. Cossacks Uzbeks Tajiks Kirghiz also left ...? Azerbaijan was already a NATO base ... even though we cost a lot of problems, but we refused them .. then no one understood even Shevardnadze or Putin Neither Nazarbayev nor Damral .. for them the idea of ​​TURAN was not real, although after a dozen years everything came to what had to be done a long time ago .. GRANDFATHER told the Turks to give up the idea of ​​the EUROPEAN UNION .. let them come to us .. we have more opportunities .. have patience ... it was all and the games of Putin with Erdogan and Aliyev with a broken fighter with Georgia-Abkhazia with Dagestan with a helicopter ... all this is a big plan ... Even the fact that the entire Russian media is controlled by pro-Western Armenians all this is a necessary game ... you will see soon .. you just think So Putin gave up the Silk Road ..? Or all the oil or gas will be sold through Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan ..? Or Russia has become a peacekeeper at will? or we are afraid of the dead deserters of the Armenians ... believe me, it was beneficial to absolutely everyone ...
      1. Tank hard
        Tank hard April 14 2021 12: 19
        0
        Quote: AĞGURD
        you are all wrong in reasoning and thinking about Turan and the Turkic countries

        Well, yes, where can we ... laughing
  25. Karabin
    Karabin April 1 2021 19: 34
    +5
    What happens when people really want something, Crimea showed well.

    I would not like to see what the desires of the people of Crimea would have cost, or a decision made in Moscow to join. Because I see it in Donbass. I see that it is not yet shooting Transnistria.
    Knowing about the danger is already half the victory. And we know ...
    Who are "we? Alexander and Staver? Commentators and VO readers? The Rotenberg brothers? Putin and Medvedev? Who are we, who either half won or did not win?
    Our permanently nullified comrades have failed the entire foreign policy in the post-Soviet space. Enchanting in all directions. Not according to Senki was Monomakh's hat. So, it is absurdly dangling on its head when the beneficiaries of oil and gas flows try to puff their cheeks like sovereigns. Maybe they can ask them about the danger of Turan? And at the same time, how was Little Russia profited with a predominantly Russian population? How was the Donbass suspended between the war and the unknown? After all, the processes of the expulsion of Russia from the western borders and the eastern pendel announced by the author are of the same nature. Well, the author sang praises to the wise policy of Putin-Lavrov on the western borders, and now he is ringing the alarm. To the point. On the arena, the same.
  26. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 1 2021 20: 30
    +3
    Thoughts are of course reasonable, but

    Tell me, do you believe it?

    Do you believe that everyone, both we and they, will suddenly forget everything and return to the early 2000s? Do you believe that there will be a sudden enlightenment of the Ukrainian people, in the broadest sense of the word, and the east will love the west, and Lviv will become a twin city of Lugansk? Do you believe that all Donetsk residents want to become Russians and sever ties with Ukraine?


    Adjacent to

    “I have repeatedly said that in order to return Ukraine without firing a single shot, it is enough to create a showcase of the Russian World in Donbass. In order to regain Russia's influence in the post-Soviet space and in the world in general, it is necessary to make Russia a showcase of a better life. Russia has gas, oil, diamonds, gold, smart, hardworking people, there is everything to develop. And if (or when) Russia becomes rich and strong, everyone will come and ask for it themselves "


    That is, the author, trying to dispel some illusions, immediately, in general, then tries to hit others. At the moment, the picture is without illusions - the DPR / LPR has been suspended for 7 years, there is no single, even temporary state, the standard of living falls below the plinth, we, in turn, do not seek either to include all this in the Russian Federation, or to recognize it as some kind of new state formations, let alone make some kind of showcase out of these territories.
    Do you believe that we will hit a finger to make this happen? We from our country do not want / cannot make a showcase of some goals and values ​​that look more or less articulate and withstand more or less adequately criticism.
  27. Azimuth
    Azimuth April 1 2021 22: 28
    +3
    Politics is the armor-piercing shell of the economy
    Indeed, interstate relations are not sex for love, behind them are pragmatic reasoning and accurate calculations. Most of the Turkic-speaking states, the republics of the former USSR, are our competitors. For example, we are doing everything to prevent Turkmenistan from entering the European gas market, including by creating obstacles for the construction of the trans-Caspian pipeline. Naturally, this damages the economy and economic interests of Turkmenistan, can we count on its loyalty after that? Let me remind you that this is a sovereign state, with its own economic interests, which, of course, are expressed in its policy, and war is one of the instruments of politics. Accordingly, the volume of military cooperation with us will also decline. This is clearly shown by the purchases of Chinese weapons, and let me remind you that the gas pipeline built by the Chinese is one of the main sources of income for Turkmenistan.
    There is already a gas pipeline Azerbaijan - Georgia - Turkey and further to Italy, in this case Turkey has essentially become a hub, since there are also a couple of our lines along the bottom of the Black Sea. There is also our alternative. But taking into account the prospects of Nord Stream-1 / -2, the war in Donbass and our difficult relations with Ukraine, our own volumes of gas exports, what should Turkmenistan look for in relations with us, what can it find besides eternal vegetation? ...
    Returning to the gas business. By the agreement on the Caspian Sea, we actually blocked the possibility of building a Trans-Caspian gas pipeline from Turkmenistan to Azerbaijan. Both countries found a way out by concluding an agreement on a controversial field in the Caspian Sea, from which gas, with "joint production", will go not to both countries, but to Azerbaijan, and further to Europe. At the same time, it is possible that gas from this field "will also go to Turkmenistan," although, as many believe, in fact, this communication will become the very gas pipeline laid along the bottom of the Caspian.

    I foresee objections from some readers. Russia should, we are to blame, and everything is in this style.
    Russia does not owe anyone, but there is also one important point. to us, Russia, too, no one owes anything... Previously, the Central Asian states were part of the Empire, the Russian culture was for them a bridge with civilization, that is, the Empire also drew something, but also gave it in return, now the situation has changed.
    Firstly, the distances have decreased due to technology and digitalization, that is, our culture has lost its significance for the former periphery of the Empire as a bridge and source of knowledge of different nature and technologies.
    Secondly, we, our culture is not easy, for example, loses in competition with the West (EU and USA) or the East (China, Japan, Korea), but also degraded.
    We have ceased to be not only competitive and alternative, but also attractive, since we were unable to rebuild and offer something new corresponding to the realities of today. First of all, this concerns the elementary thing, we were unable to build our country so that it would be comfortable for us, its citizens and attractive, would become a center of attraction for neighboring states. The fact that, against the backdrop of devastation, unemployment and low wages in our own province, millions of guest workers are coming to us does not mean that we are attractive to their countries globally and in the future.

    200 officers of the Kazakh army were trained in military universities in Turkey and, accordingly, Turkish officers in Nur-Sultan received the same training.
    Despite the fact that the Turks, in my personal opinion, do not have the most modern army in terms of weapons and equipment, they have rich military traditions, as well as a NATO member, as a result they have a very modern military school. This is an alternative school to ours. With the actual absence of a language barrier, it allows Turkic-speaking countries to have officers of the level of education and training at the exit, moreover, from the national environment, and not from the Russian-speaking one.
    By the way, regarding the latter, more and more often it is "national cadres" that are sent to us for training, we have to teach cadets Russian together with Arabs, etc. This is despite the fact that in the countries of origin of the cadets there is still a large proportion of the population perfectly speaking Russian, there are Russian schools, Russian faculties in universities. There is an opinion that in this way these countries are trying to train national cadres and reduce the degree of our influence in the officer corps of their armies.

    Even then, we are silent when the army of Kazakhstan decided to purchase the Turkish Bayraktar TB2 drones.
    Do we have a reason and reason to talk about something here? Do we have an alternative to offer it to Kazakhstan? I think if it were like that, and even taking into account that the CSTO countries buy weapons from us at domestic prices, the Kazakhs would hardly refuse.
    I will add, now in Kazakhstan, the Turkish wheeled armored personnel carrier Otokar ARMA in the 8x8 version is being tested, a joint plant with the South African Paramount has been operating for a long time, producing mine-protected wheeled armored vehicles and armored personnel carriers. What could we offer the Kazakhs at that moment, except for the Tiger and, in fact, the BTR-60PB in its hundredth modernization? ...
    Yes, and our modern, today's, samples, if you write out of patriotism, they say they do not lose to the same South African Marauders, then let's say they have no advantages.

    We forget that all these are independent states, they not only develop their own military-industrial complex, not only diversify suppliers, this is all natural, but also modernize their armed forces by purchasing the most modern systems. In the latter case, we cannot offer alternatives for many nomenclatures.

    Even a completely "fresh" agreement with Uzbekistan has already borne fruit. Those who were born in the USSR remember the Friendship Bridge in Termez. So, it was near this bridge, at the training ground that was once used to prepare Soviet soldiers for sending to the DRA, on March 26, the joint exercises of the special forces of the armies of Turkey and Uzbekistan ended. The exercises were attended by the heads of the general staffs of both armies - General Yashar Guler and Major General Shukhrat Khalmukhammedov.
    The Turks FROM and TO trained the special forces of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, the result is obvious, and again the Turks are not just competitors, but also an alternative to our system. You will probably agree that it would be very foolish to say that the Western training system does not have its own advantages and advantages.

    “Do not push, do not invent, we believe in the minds of peoples” ... and so on.
    What is such a "mind of nations"? - I repeat, interstate relations are not sex for love, they are pragmatism, sober calculations and assessment. FACT we are playing step by step, but FACT is that we do not draw conclusions.
    Take Kazakhstan for example. We have not come up with anything better than starting with the GDP, when, after the rivers of dyferambs, perhaps out of a desire to further emphasize the role of Nazarbayev, in the end he made an insulting statement for the Kazakhs about the fact that the Kazakhs never had statehood, it was the same heard and not forgotten until now. And listen to the latest statements of many of our smaller politicians about the northern regions of Kazakhstan and Kazakhstan in general. As they say, we don't need enemies ...
    The states of Central Asia have an alternative to us in terms of strength, this is neighboring China, there is also the overseas United States, and even more alternatives in economic terms. We need to understand this, soberly assess and go towards these states, with which we are connected by reviewing history, which already creates an advantage for us, with real joint and mutually beneficial projects.

    It seems to me, if we consider what is happening today, from a completely radical position, Pan-Turkism in the future can lead to the creation of a new military bloc. Bloc of Turkic-speaking states. It is clear that this may not happen tomorrow or even the day after tomorrow. But can it?
    I think it’s not a military bloc, although "but it can," but this is a distant prospect, in a couple of decades not early.
    1. Kasym
      Kasym April 2 2021 08: 38
      +1
      Good day to you, Mitrich. You wrote a lot here correctly, but I'll tell you what. There will be no military association of the Turkic states. Nobody will change an alliance with an ADVANCED nuclear power for some mythical Turan. That Turkey is now experiencing a serious economic recession due to sanctions ... Ankara is not allowed into the EU for a very long time. Here Erdogan started this game as a counterbalance to raise his stakes.
      Tashkent is also unlikely to subscribe to such an alliance.
      England has little influence in the region. There is even the States in flight. Their project "5 + 1" with US funding of 1 billion looks just wretched. We ourselves can implement it, without the USA and the West. It's about the construction of railway roads from north to south: from Afghanistan to Kazakhstan, which in principle has already been implemented. hi
  28. Azimuth
    Azimuth April 1 2021 22: 29
    +3
    Turkey is the locomotive in this project, but there is an obstacle, it does not have a direct connection, access to Central Asia. Relying on the umbilical cord of a still non-existent transport corridor from Azerbaijan to Turkey through the south of Armenia, and under the control of our border guards and the group of troops in Armenia, is clearly not serious. It is viewed as nothing more than a temporary communication. To solve this problem of communication, as well as the essence of Central Asia's access to the ports of Turkey, we remember that the economy, first of all, reliably and thoroughly at the expense of our territories along the northern coast of the Caspian Sea is impossible, and meaningless in the spirit of the ideas of a certain "Great Turan". That is, there are at least no direct threats for us here.
    The only option in general, in the foreseeable future, to solve this problem is to solve it at the expense of Iran. The northern regions of Iran are nothing more than the South Azerbaijan we know. Who does not remember, Soviet troops entered its territory during the Second World War. For quite a long time, Iranian separatism has been strongly supported in Iran. The United States began, hoping to use Azerbaijani separatism as a lever of pressure on Iran, but the Americans carried out all their actions from the territory of Turkey. And it is on the territory of Turkey that a certain government of South Azerbaijan is still in exile, whose actions are coordinated by the American and Turkish special services. Plus the cherry on the cake Israel and its actions against Iran from the territory of Azerbaijan, this is already a former republic of the USSR. That is, "Great Turan" in the first place in the development of this project poses a direct threat to Iran. Iran is orders of magnitude weaker than us, it is experiencing huge economic problems, in confrontation with the West, there is enormous social tension in the country, so there are many weak points. If the plans regarding Iran are implemented and it is divided according to the example of Yugoslavia, the Central Asian states will receive a message along the southern coast of the Caspian Sea.

    As we see there are no direct threats to this for us in the Great Turan project in the foreseeable future, a deep and detailed analysis is needed to talk about indirect threats. In the long term, a fairly large economic, and in the future, a military alliance may appear along our southern borders. We need to see if we need a third force in the region where we are faced with the expansion of China and the struggle of the United States both with us and with China. As it is rightly noted, we have a fairly large part of the population of the Turks by origin, many have assimilated and not even in the second generation consider themselves Russian, but the settlement area of ​​the Turkic peoples who preserve their identity from Yakutia and Tuva to Chuvashia, Tatarstan and the North Caucasian republics. How can this be viewed as a threat to our security or, on the contrary, as our advantage? - my opinion, an ordinary person, not an expert, it all depends on what kind of state we will build in the end, how comfortable it will be for our own population and attractive as a partner. One thing can be said for sure, it is necessary to change even just our manner of communication with these states, if we want to have allies or at least partners.

    Everything in the world is changeable, the integration processes of the Turkic states are obvious, what is the reason for this is our policy, somewhere it is connected with China, but the fundamentals are the economic interests of these states. While talk about "Great Turan" (Turan is a village in Tuva) as a military bloc, this is just talk. In the current decade, integration will be more expressed in strengthening and increasing the scale of economic cooperation, and only in parallel with military and military-technical cooperation, and to a lesser extent political. Although anything can happen and our own policies can be a catalyst for this process.

    The development of missile technologies in Turkey under the auspices of space programs, the possible start of a nuclear program, all this promises many changes, not only in regional policy. Turkey is now clinging to NATO, many believe that by penetrating into Central Asia, it solves some tasks within the framework of Western policy, but I think that this is not so. Turkey is looking for markets and goes not only with goods, but also with offers, and offers a counter movement, and not one-sided, which is what our policy is sinning. Turks are interesting to our Central Asians as a window to the world market, because we are a competitor to them, China is not the most profitable consumer, the existing transport infrastructure creates many risks for international trade and entering the world market.
    My deep conviction is that Pan-Turkism is just a candy wrapper, and the actual absence of a language barrier is only a help, at the heart of the fundamentals are the economic interests of the Turkic-speaking states.
    1. Azimuth
      Azimuth April 2 2021 00: 25
      +2
      I will continue, this is a very interesting topic and I myself pay more and more attention to it.

      There is one curious detail that many of our authors miss. The initiators and, in fact, the authors of the project for the integration of the Turkic states were not the Turks, but the leadership of the former Soviet republics, and even the representatives of our Soviet nomenclature of the highest flight. We are talking about the leaders of Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, Heydar Aliyev and Nursultan Nazarbayev, respectively. Both were motivated by interests of a purely economic nature, since the lion's share of the exports of these countries were and are hydrocarbons. And in this case, we are not just a transit or intermediary, but also a competitor.
      It was the Turks who reacted rather coolly to the idea of ​​integration at first. The situation changed radically only under Erdogan, and even then not immediately. It took a while until the Turks, having crumpled like poor relatives on the doorstep of the EU and having spent more than one year under the door of the Europeans, also experienced a fiasco in the ideas of pan-Islamism. In the latter case, the majority of the Arab monarchies simply entered into confrontation with the Turks. The latter is support for a military coup in Egypt and the overthrow of the Muslim Brotherhood, who are politically related and related to Erdogan and his entourage.
      In parallel with these events, the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline was built through Turkey, we built the Blue Stream and South Stream gas pipelines, and now the construction of TANAP, a gas pipeline from Azerbaijan to Europe, has been completed. Everything looks like the fact that the Turks have matured and matured in the process, which was prompted by the first oil pipeline. After all this, the Turks really stepped up towards the integration of the Turkic-speaking countries. We got into the gas wars, having understood and felt our advantages as a hub, having received significant injections into our economy in the course of ethical projects.
      Prior to that, Turkey's participation was not so large-scale. Yes, they were present, yes they were in Central Asia, but they were not so active. And now, seeing the resources of Central Asia and evaluating its volume as a market, and having gained fat and experience, we got involved in this process.

      There is one more thing. This is both Turkish and our rapprochement with Pakistan. We are a separate topic, but the Turkish rapprochement has an interesting detail, in Pakistan there is a significant Turkic-speaking community, or rather communities. They are just the descendants and the result of the Turkic expansion, when Delhi was also subordinate to the Eastern Turks. All are related to the Turkmens, Uzbeks and Azerbaijanis, with the Turks they have a distant relationship. Pakistan is primarily an army, the military has clannishness, the ground forces are one, the air force is different, the intelligence is still the third, etc. So the Turks are widely represented both in the military and in the political elite of Pakistan.
      Further more interesting. Some of these Turkic tribes also settled in Afghanistan, I do not remember their self-name, but they are related to the Turkmens and Azerbaijanis, plus the Uzbek community in Afghanistan, familiar to us from Dostum.

      So Turany, Turanami, but here a union of states can really be formed that is much wider than if we talk only about Turkey, Azerbaijan and the Turkic-speaking states of Central Asia.

      Great Britain has been grazing in this region for many centuries, and now it has an affair with Turkey, which at that time, on the contrary, was the enemy of the Englishwoman ...

      The world is not static, it is developing, a lot is changing, to reason with clichés of the 19th and 20th centuries and talk about some kind of confrontation between Turan and the CSTO is therefore inappropriate. We are already participating in many processes, it is not known whether this is only a response to the current, challenges of today, or the result of a policy predicted and calculated for decades to come. I read what Primakov also put on the prospect of the emergence of a large regional association. It is quite possible that we and our children will witness this, and our country will be either a partner or a participant. But this business and process is not one decade old.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik April 2 2021 00: 37
        -1
        Regarding the gas and oil pipes through Turkey. There is also an oil pipeline from Iraq. It can be expanded and continued to the Saudis, Kuwait, Qatar.

        Turkey and Egypt seem to have agreed on the division of the Mediterranean shelf. If such a wording is adopted, then not one pipe from the Middle East will be able to pass by Egypt and Turkey. If we consider that the PNS is under Turkey, then simply without her permission. The war between the PNS and the LNA is frozen, recently the LNA allowed Turkish ships access to its ports.


        Suddenly Turkey becomes an oil and gas power belay
        1. Umalta
          Umalta April 14 2021 11: 59
          0
          In Israel, then he will be delighted and interesting, and what he will undertake, given his no offense to the Jews, Jesuit methods
      2. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik April 2 2021 01: 05
        -2
        Quote: Azimuth
        So Turany, Turanami, but here a union of states can really be formed that is much wider than if we talk only about Turkey, Azerbaijan and the Turkic-speaking states of Central Asia.

        Naturally, economic issues are primary. The ideology is adjusted for them. Pan-Islamism, Pan-Turkism, Neo-Ottomanism - to choose from.
        The rapprochement of England, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Turkestan and Pakistan creates a new player. Obviously acting against the interests of China and partly Russia. The question is in India, if they start cooperating with Pakistan, they will receive a land corridor to Europe. Such a conglomerate could knock China out of its markets. The same game is taking place in Africa.
        Iran is in the way. If they do not change their policy, there will be a war, followed by its division into parts. Already now you can estimate which ones.
  29. alexander ivanov_9
    alexander ivanov_9 April 2 2021 08: 07
    0
    Do you know why everyone loves and respects America? I'll just say a little straight in the face
    and what about Russia? well, he will cry, he will apologize with joy, he will accept the apology and friends forever without looking in their bosom, and there the brick matures waiting in the wings
  30. Zum
    Zum April 2 2021 09: 27
    +2
    I will reveal to you a "big" secret .... mankind does not expect anything good .... and us in particular .... because the rottenness of the gut corrupted by consumerism has manifested itself in full measure .... as words from the well-known song "So that they are not didn’t go "
  31. Zum
    Zum April 2 2021 09: 43
    +2
    All this is complete stupidity and myth, humanity is not capable of creating new empires, and even more so separate ethnic groups, and even the very same Turks. Everything that is now planned or cultivated is aimed exclusively at enriching certain classes of oligarchs and those in power. Any modern wars, conflicts of an ethnic nature aimed at deriving political and later economic benefits for individual gentlemen-puppeteers. Everything that we see today in modern economic policy is the relationship between countries between people and even between the closest relatives ... farce.
  32. iouris
    iouris April 2 2021 10: 56
    -1
    The CSTO is half Turan.
  33. vavilon
    vavilon April 2 2021 11: 09
    0
    Erdogan is a patriot, he is trying to gather the Turkic peoples under one roof, sparing neither means and strength, and this is right, and in his place any far-sighted politician will act in the same way, But for some reason we are in no hurry to go to the aid of the Slavic peoples because it is you see, will it be expensive for our bureaucrats
  34. Hottabych
    Hottabych April 2 2021 11: 43
    +1
    I still do not understand why the author is so afraid? Strengthening the role of Turkey in the Central Asian republics? if so, let Russia act in the same way. For example, why Turkey supported Azerbaijan in the Karabakh war, while Russia did not. Likewise in Central Asia, if you want Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Tajiks to be with Russia - support politically and economically.
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 2 2021 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: Hottabych
      Likewise, in Central Asia, if you want Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Kyrgyz, Tajiks to be with Russia - support politically and economically.

      I remember during the "revolution" in Bishkek, the first to destroy the shops and property of the Turks and Chinese, apparently out of brotherly feelings. laughing
      1. AĞGURD
        AĞGURD April 14 2021 01: 29
        -2
        by the way, this is what the Armenians were doing there ... there are archives ... personal confessions ... documentary evidence and orders
        1. Tank hard
          Tank hard April 14 2021 11: 55
          0
          Quote: AĞGURD
          by the way, this is what the Armenians were doing there ... there are archives ... personal confessions ... documentary evidence and orders

          There are almost no Armenians there, I was born there. Indigenous citizens and "bombed" the shops and businesses of the "Turkic brothers". laughing Tales about archives and personal confessions deliver. laughing good With intelligence and honesty, everything is also clear. lol
  35. Azimuth
    Azimuth April 2 2021 12: 25
    0
    Quote: Kasym
    Good day to you, Mitrich. You wrote a lot here correctly, but I'll tell you what. There will be no military association of the Turkic states. Nobody will change an alliance with an ADVANCED nuclear power for some mythical Turan. That Turkey is now experiencing a serious economic recession due to sanctions ... Ankara is not allowed into the EU for a very long time. Here Erdogan started this game as a counterbalance to raise his stakes.
    Tashkent is also unlikely to subscribe to such an alliance.
    England has little influence in the region. There is even the States in flight. Their project "5 + 1" with US funding of 1 billion looks just wretched. We ourselves can implement it, without the USA and the West. It's about the construction of railway roads from north to south: from Afghanistan to Kazakhstan, which in principle has already been implemented. hi

    I also think that talking about something like that, at least in the short term, is not worth it. It's only about economic cooperation. Now, if it becomes of strategic importance after it has developed, then this is another question.
  36. Azimuth
    Azimuth April 2 2021 12: 32
    0
    Quote: Zum
    All this is complete stupidity and myth, humanity is not capable of creating new empires, and even more so separate ethnic groups, and even the very same Turks. Everything that is now planned or cultivated is aimed exclusively at enriching certain classes of oligarchs and those in power. Any modern wars, conflicts of an ethnic nature aimed at deriving political and later economic benefits for individual gentlemen-puppeteers. Everything that we see today in modern economic policy is the relationship between countries between people and even between the closest relatives ... farce.
    The stupidity is that we rave about empires and view everything through the prism of our phantom pains.
    Speaking about the project conditionally called "Great Turan", no one is talking about the creation of any empire, or the creation of prerequisites for its construction in the future.
    This is the economy, this is transit, these are markets, if a common economic space is needed, it is also possible once a military association in the interests of protecting communications, etc., but not a single state.
    Nobody, even the smallest and poorest Kyrgyzstan, will agree to a major exchange of its sovereignty.

    To understand this, you need to move away from our stereotypes and the usual linear logic of evaluating everything and everything, as the zombie box said.

    There we are not and not the United States, but states of a different scale and different approaches.
  37. syndicalist
    syndicalist April 3 2021 07: 52
    +1
    Yes, the Turks would have crushed the whole of Central Asia and Altai and Yakutia for themselves, if not for one circumstance. This is China, which has its own views on all the listed territories. And in these intentions, China is at least one step ahead of Turkey. Republics, one after another, cede border territories and key sectors of the economy to the Chinese in exchange for debts. In Altai and Yakutia, population replacement and intensive export of resources are also taking place.
    1. kebzuref
      kebzuref April 3 2021 23: 17
      0
      Addict ...
  38. kebzuref
    kebzuref April 3 2021 23: 16
    +2
    I will tell you as an Uzbek, me and many of my acquaintances Uzbeks don’t need this fucking Turan for nothing, we are for the EAEU and for the CSTO.
  39. t00r
    t00r April 5 2021 08: 35
    0
    Quote: Flood
    Quote: apro
    Or maybe vice versa: a strong economy is the guarantee of a strong policy.

    means that politics is a tool for solving economic problems

    And how much has Russia solved economic problems with its gopnic "geopolitics" in 30 years?
  40. andrew42
    andrew42 April 5 2021 12: 47
    +1
    I believe Iran will be strongly against the Great Turan in any form and performance. I wonder how Erdoganis intend to crush Iran? - Purely humanly, for the good, the Turks would be advised to sit on the priest evenly. Over the past centuries, when the Turks climbed into Asia Minor and strengthened there, they managed to annoy all neighbors for 10 years in advance. 000 taught nothing. Then it was just lucky that Turkey was not torn to pieces, and lucky with the leader. We slipped along the edge of the blade into the future. The second time this can break off. While the alignment is rushing, yes, all the neighbors will nod to the Turks and swear loyalty in friendship. As soon as the Great Turk swings, they will immediately remember everything for 1918 years, everyone will take part in the division - especially the "colleagues" in NATO - Greece and Bulgaria.
  41. Borka
    Borka April 6 2021 14: 11
    -1
    The author shuffles the cards clearly in favor of Armenia. Because common sense dictates that until the Turks have nuclear weapons, none of their army can be a threat to Russia.
    I believe that we in Russia do not owe anyone or anything, especially the Armenians, who themselves do not want to defend their lands. Even the border of their supposedly great Armenia is protected by modest Russian border guards, and young Armenians are bravely throwing apricots with Azerbaijanis in Moscow.
    1. Armen Sologyan
      Armen Sologyan April 8 2021 10: 10
      +1
      and you clearly did not indicate your data and forgot to indicate Oglu, or Oglu, or Zadeh at the end of the surname!
  42. Kazimir Prutikov
    Kazimir Prutikov April 8 2021 09: 00
    -1
    Building a coalition army is not easy. The EU still does not have an army of its own, although this has been talked about since the 1940s. Any military association or alliance must have specific goals. NATO was created to confront the USSR in Europe. The Warsaw Pact was created to confront NATO, etc. Why create an army of Turan? Who should you defend against or who should you attack? So far, there is no complete clarity on this issue. The Central Asian republics pursue a multi-vector policy, therefore, they strive to participate in all associations that do not include Russia. The only one with whom military cooperation can really develop today is between Turkey and Azerbaijan. We see the fruits of such cooperation in Karabakh. For the same Kazakhstan today it is more profitable to develop friendly relations with Russia than to enter into some incomprehensible military alliances. The same applies to other CIS republics. Turkey needs all these conversations in order to sell its weapons on the sly. Further. Erdogan's foreign policy should be viewed in an extended manner. In addition to pan-Turkism, he promotes neo-Ottomanism and pan-Islamism. If the essence of the first concept is the unification of the Turks around the world into a kind of union, then neo-Ottomanism is the revival of military-political influence in those regions that used to be part of the Ottoman Empire (this is Egypt, and Syria and Libya, and further down the list). Pan-Islamism is, in fact, the conquest of a leading position by Turkey in the Islamic world. By pursuing such a "multifaceted" policy, Erdogan has already made many enemies for himself and their number will grow in the near future, especially in the Arab world. The republics of Central Asia are unlikely to want to fit into this Turkish project. But Azerbaijan, apparently, can go for a significant rapprochement, since it needs a real counterbalance to Russia in the South Caucasus. Aliyev has already officially supported the actions of the Turkish Navy in the Mediterranean.
    1. Armen Sologyan
      Armen Sologyan April 8 2021 10: 12
      0
      Russia beat the Turks and will beat them, but others will fall under the arm and will also be defeated.
      1. DPN
        DPN April 12 2021 21: 42
        0
        Beat the Russian Empire, do not confuse.
  43. Armen Sologyan
    Armen Sologyan April 8 2021 10: 08
    0
    The army of the Great Turan will win a great defeat from Russia !!!
  44. Borka
    Borka April 10 2021 13: 25
    +1
    The author probably works for a well-known Armenian media employer and is a colleague of the storyteller Pegov. Perhaps, with the benefit of the Armenians, the author correctly aggravates the situation, but rather belatedly. The author had to reveal his talent before the Azerbaijanis regained Karabakh. And now the train has left. Moreover, the permission to start the movement of this train was given in the Kremlin.
    About the army of Turan - it's even funny. If economically powerful European countries without nuclear weapons in global politics, by and large, do not represent anything of themselves, then what can we say for non-nuclear countries that have yet to take the top of the economy. And will they take these peaks?
  45. DPN
    DPN April 12 2021 21: 37
    +2
    The first one does not depend on those who sit here. We have traitors marked - Gorbachev and Yeltsin became heroes. The Russian Federation remained with the natural resources of the USSR, but for 30 years we cannot catch up with it technically. The Chinese today managed to catch up with the SOVIET UNION in space, and where the Russian Federation has been idle for 30 years and there is no need to tell tales that the RSFSR fed all the former republics. We lived together, respected or feared, and now they just wipe our feet and play off each other thanks to the above-named heroes. The experience of the USSR is not enough for us? and what the author does not like the experience of the USSR is that there were no billionaires, and there were no beggars. And in order to return Ukraine and others, you need to live no worse than Europe, you just need to find the HEAD in the Russian Federation at the expense of another, nature has greatly rewarded.
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    7. Rita Aletdinova 1999
      Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 16 2021 17: 07
      0
      Bravo! You have written the pure truth now!
  46. Alexeitch
    Alexeitch April 13 2021 17: 40
    0
    Making Russia a showcase of a better life is possible only if it abandons the materialistic worldview and adopts a new, quantum state. ideology
  47. Zakonnik
    Zakonnik April 13 2021 17: 44
    +1
    While we “harnessed” and waited for “sobering up”, a complete reformatting of people took place.

    That's for sure. Only sobering up and no "brotherhood". For so many years they fed ... Only the economy is tough, if intervention is necessary, up to force, a complete ban on migration, except for Russian-speaking, and a showcase, of course. For their own.
  48. Umalta
    Umalta April 14 2021 11: 41
    +1
    In the Russian Federation there is oil, gas, diamonds, a talented and hard-working population, and there are also followers of Gaidar in power, there is a Yeltsin center where the historical memory of young people is disfigured, there is Gref, Siluanov, Nabiulina, there are a bunch of officials and deputies with the same views, and they have real estate over the hill, the accounts were banned, but they left the real estate, and this is the same asset and this whole army does not level the efforts of those who really defend the interests of the Russian Federation. Putin recently said that those former republics of the USSR, which received generous territorial gifts from the Russian Federation, will use them to the detriment of the Russian Federation, and may lose them. I hope that it will be like that.
    1. SHAH
      SHAH 17 May 2021 21: 27
      0
      First, return oil, gas and everything else as a country, for today in Russia the government is anti-people in all its actions, return the country ...
  49. DO
    DO April 17 2021 00: 49
    +1
    Today, the "partners" understand Russian policy only if it is supported by the arguments of a strong Russian army.
    Well, in order to arm, maintain and train a strong army, and to prevent the famine from happening again, a strong economy is needed.
    If we continue to pay tribute to the damned bourgeoisie, and even to steal from “our own”, there can be no talk of a strong economy, without war we will collapse ourselves.
  50. Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych April 19 2021 00: 59
    0
    To pursue an active, impudent, evil foreign policy, it is necessary to have a strong and reliable internal situation in the state! And so, when the own population is very critical of the government, when the agents of influence of the West are actively shaking the situation in the country, when the tension between the people and the authorities grows year after year, then it is difficult to say something about an active foreign policy.