Problems of the development of the Turkish armed forces

49

Experienced MBT Altay. The appearance of serial cars is again postponed. Otokar Photos

In 2013, Turkey adopted a long-term program of military construction and rearmament, calculated until 2033. Over two decades, it is planned to build powerful and developed armed forces suitable for effectively solving all the main tasks in local conflict zones. The implementation of such plans is associated with significant expenses - and is not insured against certain problems.

General trends


In recent years, Turkey, taking advantage of the growth of its economy, has constantly increased its military budget. Record figures were obtained last year. For defense needs, 145 billion lira (more than 15 billion euros) were spent. Such expenditures are equivalent to 9,6% of the country's GDP or 13% of the expenditure side of the budget.



A significant part of the military budget is spent on maintaining the army and solving current problems. Payments are made, facilities are repaired, equipment and weapons are being restored, etc. At the same time, it is possible to budget for the implementation of various large projects in the field of rearmament. Provisions are made for the development of our own samples, the purchase or joint production of foreign equipment, etc.

On its own and with the help of foreign partners, Turkey is developing new models of ground armored vehicles, incl. Tanks... Until recently, preparations were underway for the transfer of tactical aviation for new equipment; the fleet and coastal troops are being updated, etc. New designs of various kinds are regularly displayed at various events and are considered to show the potential of the Turkish industry.


F-35B fighter of the US Army is landing on the ship. Turkey has lost the opportunity to buy such equipment. Photo by US Navy

However, cooperation with foreign partners leads to certain risks. Recently, several projects with foreign participation have come under threat due to political differences. For example, Turkey recently acquired and put into service the Russian S-400 air defense systems. This move drew criticism from NATO partners and led to the breakdown of some agreements on military-technical cooperation.

Armored problems


The ground forces are armed with approx. 3500 tanks, but the potential for quantity is leveled by quality. Outdated M48 and M60 account for about two-thirds of this fleet, which, even after numerous upgrades, do not meet current requirements. There is also approx. The 400 imported Leopard 1 and 340 Leopard 2 are the newest in the army.

For many years Turkey has been trying to build its own Altay main battle tank. In 2018, the long-awaited contract for serial production appeared, but its implementation proved impossible. The solution to the problems that have arisen will take several years, and production tanks are now expected only in 2023.

The Altai project was developed for an imported power unit. It was planned to install the German engine-transmission unit EuroPowerPack with MTU engine and Renk transmission on serial tanks. However, German-Turkish relations deteriorated, and the purchase of such blocks turned out to be impossible. Turkey does not have its own engines with the required characteristics, and the timing of their appearance is unknown.


Anti-aircraft system S-400 in export version for Turkey. This delivery quarreled Turkey with the United States. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of Turkey

In early March, it became known that the Turkish industry had found a supplier of engines and transmissions. These products will be manufactured by South Korean companies Doosan Infracore and S&T Dynamics. In the near future, the Altay tank and MTO based on the DV27K diesel engine will be finalized for joint use, after which tests will begin. It is planned to spend no more than 18 months on current work, after which Altai will be put into production.

Aviation difficulties


The Turkish Air Force has nine fighter-bomber squadrons, which are responsible for the main combat work. The main aircraft of the Air Force are American F-16C / D of various series in the amount of approx. 240 units At the same time, less than 160 aircraft are fixed in combat units, and the rest are operated by training aircraft. Also, less than fifty outdated F-4E remain in service.

Several years ago, Turkey agreed with the United States on joint work on the F-35 program. The Turkish side was supposed to produce and supply some parts for serial aircraft. In addition, she planned to purchase up to 120 fighters. Since 2018, Turkish pilots have been trained at American bases, and in 2020-21. the transfer of the first aircraft was expected.

In 2019, cooperation on the aviation line was curtailed. Turkey acquired Russian air defense systems, which did not suit the United States. After an exchange of threats, the American side withdrew Turkey from the F-35 program. As a result, the Turkish Air Force lost the chance to carry out rearmament and receive modern equipment within a reasonable time frame.

In 2020, unmanned aircraft came under attack. The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh has become a "finest hour" for the Turkish strike UAV Bayraktar TB2. However, as a result of these events, Bombardier / Rotax refused Turkey further deliveries of their engines used on these drones. A similar situation arose with some electronic devices.

Problems of the development of the Turkish armed forces

Medium-range anti-aircraft complex Hisar-O of Turkish design. Aselsan Photos

For several years, the Turkish industry has been promising to create and put into series its analogues of foreign engines for its own UAVs. At the end of last year, it was announced the start of cooperation with Ukraine, which will provide ready-made engines and technologies for their production. How successful this engagement will be is unclear.

Anti-aircraft disadvantages


Serious problems are also observed in the field of combating enemy aircraft. The outdated MIM-23 Hawk or C-125 complexes are still in service. Artillery systems still occupy a significant place in the air defense system. All this does not allow Turkey to create a full-fledged echeloned strategic air defense, but measures are being taken.

The most high-profile event in the context of Turkish air defense was the purchase of Russian S-400 systems. The move has seriously boosted air defense capabilities, but has damaged Turkey's relations with key foreign partners and jeopardized a number of joint projects. At the same time, friendly countries did not sell complexes with the desired characteristics to the Turkish army.

Currently, great hopes are pinned on the Hisar SAM family. The first air defense system of this line has been brought to production, and the launch of another series is expected in the near future. New short- and medium-range systems will have to replace outdated equipment and complement modern S-400s. However, the production of a sufficient number of new complexes will take several years, and the creation of a full-scale air defense is shifted to an indefinite future.

Challenges for the fleet


A head submarine of the Reis type was launched in Turkey the other day. It has been under construction since 2015 and should begin service in 2022. It is planned to build a series of six such ships with the delivery of the last in 2027. These will be the first non-nuclear submarines in Turkey equipped with an air-independent power plant. They are expected to seriously enhance potential fleetwhich already includes 12 diesel-electric boats.


Launching the Reis submarine. Photo Flotprom.ru

For all its advantages, the Reis project has a serious problem in the form of dependence on imports. This boat was developed by German specialists on the basis of the finished Type 214 project. By order of the Turkish fleet, VNEU, also of German design, was introduced into the project. Construction work was carried out at a Turkish shipyard, but at this stage Germany made a great contribution. In addition, at least in the first years of service, the new boats will depend on American and German missiles and torpedoes - until the announced appearance of Turkish counterparts.

Since 2015, the construction of the multipurpose landing ship Anadolu has been underway. This ship with a length of 232 m and a displacement of 25-27 thousand tons was developed on the basis of the Spanish UDC Juan Carlos I and has similar characteristics. He will be able to provide the landing using various boats, amphibious vehicles and helicopters. At the same time, the flight deck is equipped with a bow springboard, which allows the UDC to be used as a light aircraft carrier with aircraft on board. The aircraft group of the ship can include 12 aircraft and helicopters.

Anadolu is being built at a Turkish plant, but the project is heavily dependent on foreign supplies. In addition, construction is both large and complex, which in itself is difficult. In April 2019, on the eve of launching, a fire broke out on the ship, which required minor repairs. It is assumed that this year the new UDC will be tested and will be accepted into the Navy. This will allow placing an order for a second ship of the same type - Trakya.

Having entered the combat composition of the Navy, the new Anadolu will be able to solve only amphibious missions - the operation of the ship as an aircraft carrier is apparently canceled. Turkey was excluded from the F-35 program, and now it will not be able to purchase the F-35B short takeoff aircraft. Accordingly, for an indefinite period of time, the bow ramp of the ship and other elements necessary for the aircraft become useless.


UDC Anadolu during completion at the wall. The springboard is clearly visible. Photo Wikimedia Commons

Successes and failures


Thus, in recent years, the Turkish Armed Forces and the Defense Industry have done a lot of work and successfully implemented a number of projects, giving the country a reason to be proud. At the same time, some programs, including the most complex and expensive ones, face serious problems. This leads to a constant shift in terms, to the need to find new partners, etc.

The reasons for such phenomena are quite simple. Turkey can already afford quite large spending on defense, which is capable of providing quantitative and qualitative growth. At the same time, the problem of insufficient development of its own defense industry remains. There is no own production of both full-fledged complexes and individual components. All this leads to certain risks of a political nature.

However, cooperation with third countries is not an unambiguous problem. Despite disputes and scandals, Turkey gains access to modern foreign projects and technologies. She also uses the available opportunities and gains experience for further independent use.

In general, the current program of modernization of the Turkish armed forces is coping with the tasks set. The reorganization of various structures is underway and the material part is being updated. However, in both directions, various problems remain, limiting the pace of work. Whether it will be possible to get rid of them and fully fulfill the assigned tasks will become known later - by 2033.
49 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. -5
    30 March 2021 18: 26
    Turkey has problems in the educational environment and there is practically no science. From here everything also follows.
    1. +5
      30 March 2021 18: 41
      Maybe there are gaps in fundamental science, but in applied science they are very, very. So are the Chinese.
      1. -3
        30 March 2021 18: 47
        I hear it for the first time. In the 90s, a group of Turks studied at our faculty. The level of his teaching was deliberately underestimated. This was due to the lack of pre-university training. And this was the elite by their standards.
        1. +2
          30 March 2021 19: 19
          You have outdated data. Science and education in Turkey is at the European level and the best universities are compared to the best universities in the USA.
          For 2018, Turkey is among the world's top 50 strongest higher education systems, ranking 43rd. The country's universities meet European quality standards, thanks to the introduction of the Bologna system, and occupy places in the world rankings of universities.
          Here is a detailed description of the education system and a list of Universities.
          https://www.unipage.net/ru/universities_turkey
          1. +2
            30 March 2021 19: 45
            Bologna system laughing
            Top-50 laughing
            Yes, perhaps I am a retrograde, I have outdated data. According to them, the Bologna system is the gravedigger of education all over the world. And all these tops ... When Moscow State University entered the top 100, it became shameful, or something ... Thank God, the Physicotechnical Institute is somehow holding on, it is not included in the tops.
            And if 25 years ago our fellow students-Turks were frankly weak, then in order to create a more or less tolerable education system, it takes at least 50 years. 2 generations approx. Provided that there is at least one clematis among them. I wish them good luck.
          2. +1
            30 March 2021 20: 27
            Top Universities Compares To Top US Universities

            And you, excuse me for being straightforward, didn't you finish the top 50 somewhere in N-abad? Or is Russian not native to you?
            Well, he is not native to me either, but I try to somehow respect him.
          3. -2
            30 March 2021 22: 25
            Is the Bologna system now the standard? In my opinion, the opposite.
          4. +1
            31 March 2021 12: 02
            However, according to a more global rating, Turkish universities are not very much quoted. Highest place 465 (https://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2021). Even in the Republic of Belarus, BSU takes the 317th place. And what quality can you talk about after that.
          5. 0
            31 March 2021 16: 38
            Quote: Albay
            For 2018, Turkey is among the world's top 50 strongest higher education systems, ranking 43rd.

            top 50 out of actually 50 countries where education even makes sense to consider?
            It should be clearly understood that education in Turkey is now far from being so rosy.
            School and society provide a more or less good foundation. There are good humanitarian universities, but as far as technical ones are concerned, Turkey is an obvious middle peasant. There is definitely something, but he is not a leader in any way. And do not care about the rating of universities, which is created according to the strange parameter of citation, which is simply not applicable to technology.
            Turkey has another plus in this regard - close ties with Germany and other parts of Europe, which allow one to obtain the necessary qualifications and actively exchange the culture of production and partly technologies and experience.
            So there is education in Turkey, but a significant part of it is not Turkish, but borrowed.
            And since abroad - not available to everyone. And the specialists who came back are expensive.
            And the conclusion is simple - Turkey does not have sufficient qualified labor resources for rapid industrial growth, despite the clearly high average level for the Middle East.
            1. -1
              31 March 2021 19: 12
              Quite right. And this despite the fact that, drawing resources from Germany - but also in Germany itself, there are problems with both education and science, especially. Affected by the defeat of 1945, when their scientists were literally snapped up by everyone who could, including us.
              1. +1
                31 March 2021 22: 10
                Quote: Artavazdych
                Affects the defeat of 1945, when their scientists were literally snapped up by everyone who could, including us

                You are very much mistaken. A completely different process is affecting, when the United States placed a bunch of laboratories and invited them to work there, and then they did not even engage in espionage, but technological robbery. This is how Europe has lost a very strong scientific position. And now the leading countries are feverishly recovering their losses, but the top leadership of the European Union, which is code-controlled by the United States, is seriously hampering these processes.
                1. 0
                  31 March 2021 22: 51
                  Honestly, I don’t understand what is the difference? German scientists ended up in the USA and, to a lesser extent, with us. Do you disagree with that?
                  1. 0
                    April 1 2021 07: 13
                    but not as a result of forced war, but as a result of global deception.
                    It was this fact that made it possible for the United States to continue its technological struggle with the USSR.
                    1. 0
                      April 1 2021 17: 27
                      I don’t know whether it was forced or not. No difference. But in fact - the speed of the acquisition of scientists by the Allies coincided with the speed of the occupation of German lands. In Sukhumi, the Germans were kept by force, I know for sure. Then, however, many got married there and did not want to leave when it was allowed.
                      1. 0
                        April 1 2021 18: 56
                        and so what if several Germans were kept?
                        it did not move work on a national scale and did not radically change anything.
                        and we are talking about the many years of leadership that the United States fought for
                        and they could do this due to the fact that specialists and scientists were being dragged from all over Europe, South America, India and China. Germany's backlog was completely used up already in the first 5-7 post-war years.
                      2. 0
                        April 1 2021 19: 37
                        Well, wow a few Germans! Academician Yangel hoo-magnitude. What is Korolev
                      3. 0
                        April 1 2021 20: 29
                        and yet they were few, not only Germans.
        2. +2
          30 March 2021 21: 05
          And what those. education is the best in the world?
          1. -2
            30 March 2021 21: 36
            Until now, Russian / Soviet. So it's common knowledge
            1. 0
              31 March 2021 08: 36
              I think the Germans will argue with you, to the level of their mechanical engineering - yak cancer to the sky ...
              1. -1
                31 March 2021 17: 19
                We will not argue with the Germans, they have the best mechanical engineering in the world. With 150 years of tradition
                I was talking about education.
    2. +1
      30 March 2021 21: 55
      Quite right, donkey to bike is not always the topic! In the next topic, they stuck cons to me. It turns out the word is stupid like that .... to still in the subject. laughing
    3. 0
      31 March 2021 01: 31
      The program "Natasha" will be rebooted.
  2. +1
    30 March 2021 18: 32
    The implementation of such plans is associated with significant expenses - and is not insured against certain problems.
    And they have problems above the roof and it is unlikely that there will be fewer of them ...
    Time will tell.
  3. +1
    30 March 2021 18: 33
    C-125 at the Turks?
    1. +2
      30 March 2021 18: 56
      Quote: ares1988
      C-125 at the Turks?

      They bought a lot of things during the collapse of the Warsaw bloc ... The same our BTR-60 and 70 from the NNA GDR /
      But the S-125 air defense missile system they bought from Ukraine, whole SIX battery sets
      1. +1
        31 March 2021 09: 55
        Buy then they bought them, only, most likely, not for themselves, but for Libya:
        https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4026130.html
  4. 0
    30 March 2021 19: 39
    In a nutshell, Turkey has far more problems and failures than positive results. Given the fact that the economy is "falling", the Turks should not expect any improvements in the near future)))
  5. +4
    30 March 2021 19: 56
    Everything is like everyone else. They think and decide.
  6. -1
    30 March 2021 19: 59
    Today or yesterday there was interesting news about aviation:

    Director of the defense company TUSAŞ Temel Kotil:

    Today, our company is simultaneously developing 3 aircraft projects, 6 helicopters and 2 UAVs. The most important project is the fifth generation fighter TF-X, which has 3.000 of our employees and the same number of employees from other companies with which we cooperate.

    TF-X will be equipped with artificial intelligence, which will act as a co-pilot. If the pilot loses consciousness, the aircraft will be able to autonomously return to its base.

    As for other companies [British and Italian], together with which we are developing an engine for a 5th generation fighter, our main condition is full rights to the engine. The aircraft must be fully owned by Turkey.


    Ismail Demir: “We can easily equip TCG Anadolu with drone UAVs. In terms of fighters, we spoke with TUSAŞ representatives regarding the development of a separate version of the Hürjet fighter with a vertical takeoff / landing capability. We are working on it"

    1. +4
      30 March 2021 20: 19
      Can you tell us more about their promising deck boat?

      Do I understand correctly - this will be a light aircraft with the main focus on percussion functions?
      1. +1
        30 March 2021 20: 30
        All information is in the message, nothing else.
        Further is the area of ​​assumptions. The creation of such an aircraft, given their cooperation with RR, is quite a powerful task. The continuation of the Harrier line is asking, the vertical market appears, but only the F-35B exists in the world.
        Hürjet is a "copy" of the Korean T-50. If the vertical is based on it, there are correspondingly similar capabilities and tasks.
        1. +3
          30 March 2021 20: 36
          Thanks, got it.

          I also thought about the RR and that the Turkish "vertical" could be an excellent model for export as a cheap alternative to the F-35B.
          1. +2
            30 March 2021 20: 44
            They also launched the development of two jet UAVs Baykar Makina makes subsonic MIUS and TUSAŞ (TAI) makes supersonic Goksungur. They plan to use the Ukrainian modification of the AI-25 / AI-222 or the British EJ200.
            The optional unmanned aerial vehicle Hürjet already sounds much more interesting.


            1. +5
              30 March 2021 20: 50
              Quite curious!

              Thank you for the interesting information)
  7. +1
    30 March 2021 20: 16
    Well, why Turkey needs NATO if Turkey is limited in the supply of the latest equipment and weapons?
    Turkey needs to open the gate with refugees to the EU and leave NATO ...
  8. -5
    30 March 2021 20: 45
    In Turkey, I watch MTRs already better than ours
  9. +1
    30 March 2021 20: 55
    At least Turkey has access to both technology and markets. And we have, damn it, a technological siege for a decade.
  10. +1
    30 March 2021 21: 13
    Children, how much will it be twice two? ... Little Johnny!
    Eh, Mitrich, I would use your worries ...
  11. 0
    30 March 2021 22: 05
    From the article I understood that the most basic problem of the Turks is the lack of modern air defense systems, so the Sultan's stubbornness when buying the S-400 is understandable, in general, of course, they are good fellows that they will reform their Armed Forces, maintain long-standing traditional ties with the German military-industrial complex, but as if the Turkish economy does not overheated, 9.6 percent of GDP for defense is a bit too much
    1. 0
      30 March 2021 22: 31
      Quote: CommanderDIVA
      the main problem of the Turks is the lack of modern air defense systems, so the Sultan's stubbornness when buying the S-400 is understandable

      Yes, their main industrial centers (Stanbul, Izmir) are located in the affected area of ​​the aircraft of Greece and Russia, it cannot provide their protection with current air defense systems. The Air Force is quite sufficient, the Navy and the Army are at a high level for the region.
  12. 0
    30 March 2021 23: 11
    There is a lot of interesting material, but the conclusion is incorrect, because the Turkish army has no technological future:
    1) there is no scientific school, this is the main thing, therefore, like the Chinese, they have to drag and buy technology from the world along a string. The result is obvious: Bayraktars cannot be assembled after the main components have come under sanctions .... and there is nothing to replace all the imported units with.
    2) Pan Erdogan has no gold reserves, the treasury is empty, the war on several fronts has depleted the economy and finances, it is impossible to suck serious finances from momentary military successes, and in the long run - everywhere Putin wins from Erdogan.
    1. 0
      April 1 2021 15: 16
      Quote: Fisherman
      Pan Erdogan has no gold reserves, the treasury is empty, the war on several fronts has depleted the economy and finances, it is impossible to suck serious finances out of momentary military successes, and in the long run - everywhere Putin wins from Erdogan.


      His treasury is definitely not empty; every year he distributes + -7 billion dollars to the world as humanitarian aid. Moreover, Turkey in 2019 was in first place in humanities, while others for many years was 2-5 in the world. And let me say a country that has no money will not do this. And most importantly, Turkey develops, fights, helps not at the expense of gas and oil that comes out of the ground, but does it at the expense of its industry, tourism and agriculture. In 2019, it bought goods worth $ 20 billion from Russia alone, while selling it for only 5. I want to say Turkey is far from being a poor and not a weak country. And in some moments, especially from the point of view of an independent policy, it is stronger than the same Germany, France, Italy and other leading countries of Europe.

      At the expense of science, Turkey is not a world leader, but also not in the last lines. There is even a fact that before leaving for the USA, Einstein first lived and worked in one of the universities in Istanbul, but then he was forced to leave because Einstein did not like to teach very much, but was more a practitioner. And in Turkey, he was required to teach others more than scientific affairs.
  13. 0
    April 1 2021 14: 32
    The budget is overheated, and where and most importantly, with whom to go is not clear.
  14. -1
    23 November 2021 20: 54
    Quote: Intruder
    for the Turkish army has no technological future:
    1) there is no scientific school, this is the main thing, therefore, like the Chinese, they have to drag and buy technology from the world along a string. The result is obvious: Bayraktars cannot be assembled after the main components have come under sanctions .... and there is nothing to replace all the imported units with.
    Directly the mantra is at YOU! Fascinating ... such, but reality is worse for superficial erudition .., always !!!

    Bilkent University-Ankara
    Middle East Technical University-Ankara
    Boğaziçi University-Istanbul
    Sabanci University-Istanbul
    Koç University-Istanbul
    Istanbul Technical University-Istanbul
    Istanbul University-Istanbul
    Hacettepe University-Ankara
    Ankara University-Ankara
    Çukurova University ...
    and so, there are 205 more Universities, in Turkey itself, I don’t think that now they have a problem with their brains, “there is no future and a scientific school” laughing , especially several million more students, are studying in the USA and Western Europe, as well as China and Japan, and in other countries ...fellow
    For reference, please refer to:
    https://www.unipage.net/ru/universities?country_id%5B0%5D=216&per-page=50

    1) the transition to the discussion of the opponent instead of the factual material is a sign of a weak position, pull up the rear and enter the material.
    2) you can study a lot and for a long time, learn and create a SCIENTIFIC SCHOOL - it is not always possible even for countries with great potential. Turkey is related to the monsters of science as a supplier of tomatoes and then only buy something technologically advanced from the monsters and collect from this what the owners of technologies will allow ... like China, by the way.
  15. -1
    23 November 2021 21: 00
    Quote: Anar
    Quote: Fisherman
    Pan Erdogan has no gold reserves, the treasury is empty, the war on several fronts has depleted the economy and finances, it is impossible to suck serious finances out of momentary military successes, and in the long run - everywhere Putin wins from Erdogan.


    His treasury is definitely not empty; every year he distributes + -7 billion dollars to the world as humanitarian aid. Moreover, Turkey in 2019 was in first place in humanities, while others for many years was 2-5 in the world. And let me say a country that has no money will not do this. And most importantly, Turkey develops, fights, helps not at the expense of gas and oil that comes out of the ground, but does it at the expense of its industry, tourism and agriculture. In 2019, it bought goods worth $ 20 billion from Russia alone, while selling it for only 5. I want to say Turkey is far from being a poor and not a weak country. And in some moments, especially from the point of view of an independent policy, it is stronger than the same Germany, France, Italy and other leading countries of Europe.

    At the expense of science, Turkey is not a world leader, but also not in the last lines. There is even a fact that before leaving for the USA, Einstein first lived and worked in one of the universities in Istanbul, but then he was forced to leave because Einstein did not like to teach very much, but was more a practitioner. And in Turkey, he was required to teach others more than scientific affairs.

    You are opposing with figures that have nothing to do with the treasury, apparently taken from external forums and expert calculations (like calculating the US GDP, for example). I operate with internal Turkish information - the treasury is empty! Lyra did not just collapse, not at the request of the Sultan, but for objective reasons The pandemic brought down tourism completely, the Sultan quarreled with everyone with whom he could, he was besieged like a wolf ... he distributes what he receives from the EU for the very humanitarian programs - do not mind your own.