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The excitement around the T-14 "Armata" tank dies down: about possible reasons

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Not so long ago, the newest Russian tank T-14 "Armata" was one of the central topics for discussion in many foreign media writing on military and paramilitary topics. Now the hype around the newest tank, which still remains in the experienced status, gradually subsides. Although it cannot be said that "Armata" was completely forgotten. For example, recently the author of the American edition of The National Interest, Mark Episkopos, recalled the T-14 "Armata" as one of the 5 most advanced Russian developments in the field of weapons.


By the way, in early March this year, Russian Defense Minister General of the Army Sergei Shoigu announced that the first batch of T-14 Armata tanks would be delivered to the ground forces in 2022. As for the first foreign demonstration of the newest tank, it was held at the IDEX 2021 exhibition.

Both the press and potential buyers speak less


It would seem that both the presentation at the exhibition and the statement of Minister Shoigu should have added the interest of foreign mass media and experts to the T-14, but this did not happen.

However, from time to time in the foreign press there are articles about the T-14 "Armata" - both enthusiastic and critical. Recently, for example, foreign analyst Mansij Astkhana called the T-14 Armata the Russian answer to the American M1 Abrams tank, which destroyed Soviet-made tanks in Iraq.

In the British parliament, they said that the outdated tanks in service with the British army, in the future, will not be able to withstand the Russian T-14. But this, again, is only one-time reasoning, not of a systemic nature. Therefore, it is not yet necessary to say that the newest tank is in the center of attention of the world media.

Not yet heard about the significant interest of potential buyers in the T-14. Perhaps this is due to the fact that the tank did not really enter the Russian army. Manufacturers have repeatedly said that the discussion of the export of the T-14 will be possible only after the tank is put into service with the Russian ground forces and the secrecy label is removed from it.

Of course, the T-14 has potential buyers. The already mentioned American edition of The National Interest named Belarus, Egypt and Vietnam, as well as India among them a year ago. New Delhi needs a powerful new tank to hold back China's plans. And the T-14, judging by the information that the media reports about the tank, is quite suitable for this purpose. In addition, the tank could be purchased by Algeria, another traditional buyer of Russian weapons. But this is all just speculation and assumptions.

Possible reasons for the decrease in excitement


As already noted, discussing exports does not go beyond the scope of journalistic analytics and opinions. None of the countries listed, as far as the author knows, has declared a desire to purchase the latest Russian tank. It is quite possible that after delivering it to the troops, the situation will change: foreign specialists will observe how the tank will show itself in various military exercises and show interest in it. This has already happened with other equipment.

Most likely, the most likely reason that the international excitement around the T-14 "Armata" is subsiding is the long drawn-out process of completing tests and supplying tanks to the troops. Therefore, it is not yet possible to give any final assessments of his condition, to assert about the strengths and weaknesses. This delay, in turn, allows many foreign analysts to be skeptical about the prospects for the delivery of T-14 tanks to the troops in the foreseeable future. For the situation to change, it would be nice to speed up the terms of serial delivery of the tank to the RF Armed Forces, but this already depends, first of all, on funding and production capabilities.
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  1. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 30 March 2021 08: 12
    +38
    There is always only one reason for the decrease in excitement - information fatigue. You can not procrastinate the same thing regularly. Even when serial deliveries go, nothing will change. The novelty has been exhausted. So there is no reason to write because the ratings do not grow from the number of words)))
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 March 2021 08: 18
      +11
      Quote: carstorm 11
      There is always only one reason for the decrease in excitement - information fatigue. You can not procrastinate the same thing regularly.

      And the article - The excitement around the T-14 "Armata" tank dies down: about possible reasons , this is an attempt to spur such interest, or the author's intention to make money on the topic ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 30 March 2021 08: 38
        +4
        Exactly. Trying to hop onto a departing train. Quite mediocre.
      2. figwam
        figwam 30 March 2021 08: 43
        +5
        What is the article about?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 30 March 2021 09: 03
          +7
          Quote: figvam
          What is the article about?

      3. yehat2
        yehat2 31 March 2021 16: 45
        +1
        "The most likely reason that the international excitement around the T-14" Armata "is dying down is the long drawn-out process of completing tests and supplying tanks to the troops."

        reasons for at least 2. When the armature was announced, no one in NATO knew what to do with it.
        Now the situation has changed - there is a clear understanding of what an armata is, programs are underway to introduce new tanks, the latest anti-tank systems are being introduced more actively, and there is no longer any need to actively procrastinate the topic. Measures have been taken and now they are simply checking our speed of work so as not to be late with the implementation.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 31 March 2021 16: 47
          +3
          Armata (and a number of other weapons) is good in that it made it necessary to reconsider investments in armaments in a fire mode and NATO redistributed significant funds from offensive programs to defensive ones, which allowed the Russian Federation to strain less with the army's budget.
          But this is a local gain and the effect will not last long.
          1. Tahtvjd2868
            Tahtvjd2868 April 1 2021 03: 20
            -1
            Look wider .. As a result of all this noise, NATO will have updated tanks and ATGMs and we have B3M ... and that's it! those. in the future we will lag behind even more !!
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 April 1 2021 07: 11
              0
              let's not lag behind. with our geography, their heavy tanks are useless offensively.
              1. onstar9
                onstar9 April 3 2021 06: 31
                +1
                Quote: yehat2
                let's not lag behind. with our geography, their heavy tanks are useless offensively.

                I don’t understand in any way who wants to attack us? Merkel? Or Macron? Or maybe Johnson will "trample" across the English Channel on tanks? Who wants? It was Russia that "flooded" them through Ukraine, and they are already shaking there .... We took Ukraine, Crimea took, Georgia took, they were expelled from Syria, and they still do not attack us ... Who wants to attack us now attack? Especially in tanks to cross the entire continent and go "on foot and on horseback" to us in Moscow .. Who wants there? I ask for a name in the studio ... Name such a "daredevil" ... Stolberg, perhaps, at whom you can't look without tears? And then they got these endless conversations "that they will attack us right now" .... Throw this nonsense of "Kiselev's propaganda" ...
                1. yehat2
                  yehat2 April 3 2021 10: 23
                  0
                  maybe you are from MSC and feel safe, but not everyone agrees with you.
                  I live in St. Petersburg. in the Tribaltic, an American armored unit was deployed at a throw distance of a couple of days; in Sweden, American bombers were stationed within a radius of just over an hour of flight. This is somehow different from the feelings of the inhabitants of Leningrad, around whom there was not a single hostile soldier for hundreds of kilometers.
                  NATO destroyers now regularly enter the Black Sea. Maybe you don't care, but the residents of Sevastopol are aware that a full salvo of missiles from a destroyer can completely destroy their city in a few minutes after pressing the button. You don't give a shit, but meanwhile a direct military threat is already on the borders of our country. And yes, these are extremely peaceful changes. Previously, NATO conducted naval exercises in the Atlantic, and now it is 200 km from St. Petersburg. And in Ukraine, military exercises are being conducted in Krasnodar.
                  But you're special, you don't give a shit.
                  1. Sergey Sfiedu
                    Sergey Sfiedu April 3 2021 21: 38
                    0
                    In Sweden, American bombers stopped within a radius of just over an hour of flight.
                    - in sweden (with a small letter!) American bombers have stopped! Fuck. Can I have a reference?
        2. Arkon
          Arkon 31 March 2021 16: 55
          +2
          Quote: yehat2
          there are programs for the introduction of new tanks,


          What are these, for example?
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 31 March 2021 17: 04
            +2
            French and German versions of tanks for the new Rhinemetal gun
            the British also offered their own version, but I don't really know anything about it.
            And in the United States, they are going to abandon heavy tanks altogether.
            1. Arkon
              Arkon 31 March 2021 17: 18
              0
              Quote: yehat2
              French and German versions of tanks


              This "this" you call "implementation" - this thirty-year process that started last year?

              To date, Germany and France have managed to sign a series of agreements defining various aspects of a promising program. The last such document appeared in December last year. It provided for the formation of the ARGE working group (Arbeitsgemeinschaft), which included German companies Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and Rheinmetall AG, as well as the French Nexter Defense Systems. KMW and Nexter participate in the work as a single structure - KNDS.

              On May 20, the press service of Rheinmetall announced the start of a new phase of the program. Earlier, ARGE participants agreed to soon launch the scientific research work “System Architecture Definition Study - Part 1” or SADS Part 1 (“Definition of system architecture, part 1”). Now they begin the corresponding work. It is noted that this gives rise to the "demonstration" stage of the MGCS program.

              The first step to MGCS. Germany and France will determine the appearance of the new tank
              KNDS Early MGCS Concept

              The purpose of SADS P.1 is to study the proposed concepts and options for the appearance of the MGCS combat vehicle with the subsequent development of recommendations and requirements. It is planned to study the current and future needs of the armies of Germany and France, the economic aspects of the project, etc. The final appearance of MBT will be formed at the next stages of the program.

              Research on SADS P.1 will be carried out by two countries, for which they will create a joint venture. Jobs in this organization will be distributed equally between the two states. In half will be divided and costs of 150 million euros. 18 months are allotted for all work. Thus, in the fall of 2021, KNDS and Rheinmetall will be ready for the next phase of work on MGCS.


              In tanks, Europe has lagged behind forever.
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 31 March 2021 17: 38
                +3
                they already have working prototypes based on current models.
                these tanks cannot boast of finishing, but the armata is stuck at the same level.
                She seems to be, but it seems not.
                so the Europeans have nowhere to rush. They just look at the volume of work at our plant and adjust their plan accordingly.
                1. Arkon
                  Arkon April 2 2021 08: 11
                  0
                  Quote: yehat2
                  they already have working prototypes based on current models.
                  these tanks cannot boast of finishing, but the armata is stuck at the same level.


                  Prototypes based on current models? Prototype AK based on PPSh? Su-57 prototype based on Su-35? Are you kidding me like that?

                  "Armata is stuck at the same level" ?! Hmm ...
                  1. yehat2
                    yehat2 April 2 2021 09: 46
                    -1
                    But haven't you seen a leclerc with a new weapon? Recently they showed at the exhibition.
                    instead of inappropriate mockery, study the question.
                    As for the armata, study the issue again, and here they post articles on the site. The tank, because it is new and is essentially a hastily cut version of the eagle, a lot of flaws. But they have not been corrected for years. And their sum can already critically affect the combat effectiveness of the tank. As an example - insufficient protection of external devices from the shooter.
                    In addition, there remains a huge question about the share of imported critical components, questions about the box, questions about the tool, questions about production.
                    1. Arkon
                      Arkon April 2 2021 10: 19
                      -1
                      Quote: yehat2
                      But haven't you seen a leclerc with a new weapon?


                      What, nafig, "new tool". If 152 mm are installed on the Armata, will there be a new tank? What are you talking about?

                      What are the flaws? What do they have to do with it? They are just different generations. Heaven and earth. Different tasks, different capabilities, different combat stability. In general, everything is different. Everything.
                      1. yehat2
                        yehat2 April 2 2021 11: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Arkon
                        will put 152 mm - will this be a new tank?

                        do you have your period affecting attentiveness?
                        I have not written anywhere about brand new tanks
                        we are only talking about fire alterations of the current lines, while long-term projects begin
                      2. Arkon
                        Arkon April 2 2021 13: 08
                        0
                        reasons for at least 2. When the armature was announced, no one in NATO knew what to do with it.
                        Now the situation has changed - there is a clear understanding of what an armata is, programs are underway to introduce new tanks,


                        Quote: yehat2
                        do you have your period affecting attentiveness?
                        I have not written anywhere about brand new tanks


                        Both quotes are yours.
                        It looks like you know the subject well when you talk about "periods". wink
                      3. yehat2
                        yehat2 April 2 2021 14: 50
                        0
                        it is disgusting to take what has been said out of context.
                      4. Arkon
                        Arkon April 2 2021 14: 53
                        0
                        "Disgusting"? Without arguments, go to insults? I am happy to discuss the "context" from which I "pulled" something, thus distorting the meaning of what was said.
                      5. yehat2
                        yehat2 April 2 2021 15: 12
                        0
                        that's exactly wrong, because the full phrase has a completely different meaning.
                      6. Arkon
                        Arkon April 2 2021 15: 54
                        0
                        Quote: yehat2
                        that's exactly wrong, because the full phrase has a completely different meaning.


                        Which one? Let's discuss. And then you somehow easily insult your interlocutors and think that nothing will happen to you for it.
                    2. yehat2
                      yehat2 April 2 2021 15: 24
                      0
                      here is a Leclerc T40 Terminateur with a 140mm gun, it is today, not 30 years later
                      if this is not an answer to Armatu, what do you call it?

                      it is even crude, but a tank. and the Germans already have a prototype or even two.
                      and the British, on the basis of their Chieftain-2, fired a gun under 140.
    2. onstar9
      onstar9 April 3 2021 06: 47
      0
      Quote: Arkon
      In tanks, Europe has lagged behind forever.

      Yes, I'm afraid that if now Russia decides to invade Ukraine, then Europe will quickly mobilize for tanks and other equipment. This will be the "last straw" .... Now they are still alarmed and swinging for a long time, but will quickly wake up ... Then no Armata will keep up with the "Rheinmetall" tanks ... The Germans know how to make military equipment ...
      1. Arkon
        Arkon April 3 2021 08: 02
        0
        Quote: onstar9
        Yes, I'm afraid that if now Russia decides to invade Ukraine, then Europe will quickly mobilize for tanks


        If Ukraine dares to carry out a large-scale attack on Donbass and Crimea, then not only it, but also a united Europe will cease to exist.
        It will be a European disaster.
  • SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 31 March 2021 09: 12
    +3
    Perhaps it subsides because everyone understood everything
  • rocket757
    rocket757 30 March 2021 08: 13
    +5
    Most likely, the most likely reason that the international excitement around the T-14 "Armata" is subsiding is the long drawn-out process of completing tests and supplying tanks to the troops.
    So it is possible, and without any excitement, to bring the product to working condition and start operating in the troops ... with all the accompanying organizational and technical measures.
    Let's just say, time is not running out, but you shouldn't drag it out indefinitely.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 30 March 2021 08: 26
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      So it is possible, without any excitement, to bring the product to working condition and start operating it in the troops ...

      I am sure they will. In this case, something will "fall off" as an excess, something will be modified and improved.
      Moreover, there is something to rely on.

      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 March 2021 08: 42
        +8
        The product is already there. And then, a calm process of improvement and implementation ... a standard situation, after all. Why raise a fuss ??? request
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 30 March 2021 08: 54
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      Let's just say, time is not running out, but you shouldn't drag it out indefinitely.
      It’s not worth it indefinitely, but at least time is running out! laughing
      But seriously, the tank is certainly not a fighter, but such a different tank requires more time than just modernization, even serious, mastered models.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 30 March 2021 08: 57
        0
        Modernization, at the first stage of mastering a NEW MODEL, is an extensive, comprehensive process ... it can take a considerable time and lead to significant changes in the object.
        1. Tahtvjd2868
          Tahtvjd2868 April 1 2021 03: 26
          0
          The problem is that while we have an extensive and comprehensive process, the enemy is actively saturating the troops with ATGMs and modernizing the tanks (the programs, in any case, have already been announced). As a result, Armata becomes obsolete every year! And by the time at least a significant amount of it appears in combat units, the enemy will not only catch up in performance characteristics, but possibly surpass it! How do you like this option?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 1 2021 07: 53
            -1
            Quote: Tahtvjd2868
            The problem is that while we have an extensive and comprehensive process, the enemy is actively saturating the troops with ATGMs and modernizing tanks

            The process goes on from all sides. The saturation of infantry units with means of countering heavy armored vehicles is in progress in all armies where they can afford it ... and so what?
            We do not have an offensive doctrine with the use of tank armada, we have all the doctrine from DEFENSE.
            How do you like this ... this situation?
            1. Tahtvjd2868
              Tahtvjd2868 April 1 2021 14: 07
              0
              The problem is that Armata, in fact, being absent, coped with certain processes and faded into the background in ANY way without increasing the combat capability of our army! but forcing the "colleagues" to roll up their sleeves.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 April 1 2021 14: 42
                0
                There is no one that can NOW fundamentally change something.
                Against any new thing, they will immediately start looking for ways of counteraction, and this has always been, is and will be.
                All the most necessary, useful, important, this is a whole complex ... of different things, which in total are improved, increased and provided.
              2. Eroma
                Eroma April 1 2021 18: 45
                +2
                Why are you so worried? wink a new generation of ATGMs (Spike, Javelins, etc.) have appeared with partners even without the Armata, the improvement process is constantly going on and while fundamentally new in ATGM, except for the improvement of the firing range and the guidance system, is not announced winked Armata was initially ready for these challenges (as another question). UAVs, a new feature in the fight against tanks, also appeared in the process of evolution, and Armata has nothing to do with it either. Work on new tank guns and new tanks, well, Armata accelerated the process, but not today it would have started tomorrow anyway (it’s not forever for them to ride the Abrams and Leo), for that we are ahead in this matter.
                And since there is no fundamentally new, apart from natural development, we do not drive a crude car, but we are trying to create a balanced tank of the next generation capable of withstanding the threats that have recently appeared.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 30 March 2021 08: 14
    +18
    the first batch of T-14 "Armata" tanks will be delivered to the ground forces in 2022.
    Then we'll talk!
  • bar
    bar 30 March 2021 08: 14
    +8
    The excitement around the T-14 "Armata" tank dies down

    Actually, these words could limit the article. All other water is just water.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 30 March 2021 08: 17
    +12
    Well, I'm so tired. There are many stories, but no tanks.
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 30 March 2021 13: 17
      +5
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Well, I'm so tired. There are many stories, but no tanks.

      And so in everything.
  • alex-pmr
    alex-pmr 30 March 2021 08: 23
    +8
    The whole article ... blah ... blah ... blah
    About nothing. I did not understand what the author wanted to express with this epic. The reasoning of the student.
    We must put in the troops. But this is a no brainer
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 30 March 2021 09: 56
      0
      Quote: alex-pmr
      I did not understand what the author wanted to express with this epic.

      This is a cry from the heart. Nobody, you know, wants to buy. From there, the ears grow at the article. Moreover, they trumpeted to the whole world that the efficiency is not the same with the existing engine, and they cannot bring the new engine. And what now to cry that is not for sale. By the way, I'm not at all sure that our troops need him in quantities that are not measured. Maybe as a commander and that's enough.
  • Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 30 March 2021 08: 25
    +2
    This tank is very expensive! In fact, the army does not need it! Now the T-80s are being modernized at full speed and the T-90s of various modifications are being produced. As for the T-14, they will put a couple of dozen into the Army, so that "the people get rid of it" and .... they will happily forget! It will be possible to deliver at VDNKh.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 30 March 2021 08: 36
      +1
      It doesn't work that way. The T 14 is a perspective tank. 80 and 90 are upgrades to maintain combat readiness.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 30 March 2021 10: 17
        -1
        T 14 is a perspective tank


        It's easier to say projection. The combat value of the tank crashed into the cost of the tank. Better more T-90 than less T-14. The development and improvement of the KAZ make the armored capsule no longer so relevant.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 30 March 2021 10: 42
          +4
          Have you found out its price for a long time?))) Can we also look at the price list?) Understand one elementary thing - the series reduces the price of cars. And the more it is .... plus UVZ has long said that the prices have been resolved. And the new 90 is not much cheaper in full mince. And the most important thing is not an armored capsule
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 30 March 2021 13: 11
            0
            And the most important thing is not an armored capsule

            What is the most important thing? What is the difference from Breakthrough?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 30 March 2021 13: 43
              -1
              Visibility. Inflamation. Modularity, etc.
              1. Konnick
                Konnick 30 March 2021 14: 00
                +5
                Visibility. Inflamation. Modularity, etc.


                Visibility - the optoelectronic commander-aiming panorama is very vulnerable even to small arms, in the T-90 it is at least partially under the turret armor, and in the Armata "birdhouses" under the splinterproof casing (see photo, about 5mm thick).
                Informativeness - before the first rupture of a high-explosive fragmentation projectile, it will demolish all sensors and locators together with a protective casing or cover up with dirt.
                Modularity - an unprotected machine gun module, the T-90 at least has a machine gun paired with a cannon in the turret, which can eliminate delays. The modular power plant does not allow for repairs without dismantling it from the tank. This is so offhand. And if something jammed at the cannon, then sushi oars.


                A casing that protects superdevices and the sensor is attached with cotter pins to the pins laughing
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 30 March 2021 14: 18
                  +1
                  All this is correct, but it is precisely his visibility and information content that gives him the opportunity to do everything faster and more importantly earlier and further. This is a conceptual debate. Someone likes it, someone does not.
                  1. Konnick
                    Konnick 30 March 2021 14: 28
                    +7
                    and most importantly earlier and further

                    No doubt, long-range anti-tank, devices allow. But the crew must have a notice inside - "Do not approach the trenches and structures. Remember that the tank's instruments cost millions, and are disabled by a machine-gun burst."
          2. ccsr
            ccsr 30 March 2021 13: 19
            +3
            Quote: carstorm 11
            And the new 90 is not much cheaper in full mince. And the most important thing is not an armored capsule

            I think that the most important thing is that modern self-propelled guns with their calibers, firing range at closed targets and guided projectiles will simply squeeze tanks in most ground divisions, and there will be a change in the regular structure of formations. That is why, as I suppose, they are now thinking about how many new tanks we need for their mass production to somehow reduce its cost. Because of this, they do not rush the serial workers, otherwise they would have changed the equipment long ago and did not bother with modernization.
      2. Konnick
        Konnick 30 March 2021 14: 21
        +3
        It doesn't work that way. The T 14 is a perspective tank.




        The distant past. The M1 Abrams Block III project of the mid-80s of the last century. Doesn't it look like anything?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 30 March 2021 15: 32
          -1
          No. Zaporozhets does not remind you of a Porsche?) 4 wheels. Steering wheel. Two doors. Engine in the back?)
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 30 March 2021 16: 10
            0
            And Volkswagen reminds me. And the Porsche, the KDF, and the Zaporozhets were of the same layout, and also similar to an air-cooled engine, and also resembles the Tatra-87, Chevrolet Corvair and many other cars of the middle of the last century. And the time for such a design is gone. So the uninhabited tower, which the UVZ suddenly remembered, also left. Too many devices appeared in the tanks and this is the main reason for the transfer to a welded turret of increased volume, which was implemented in the T-90M. Only there are devices under real armor, and outside there are only sensitive elements.
      3. onstar9
        onstar9 April 3 2021 06: 55
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        It doesn't work that way. The T 14 is a perspective tank. 80 and 90 are upgrades to maintain combat readiness.

        What are you stuck on? If the Armata is built, then there will not be enough money for "palaces". This and that at the same time will not be. Or Armata, or palaces with yachts ...
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 30 March 2021 08: 42
      +2
      Quote: Yuriy71
      T-90s of various modifications are produced

      for the RF Armed Forces only one
    3. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 30 March 2021 08: 51
      +9
      Quote: Yuriy71
      This tank is very expensive!

      Why, it wouldn’t be expensive! I recently read that half of the funds allocated to the defense industry are being stolen! If nothing is changed in Russia in the defense industry, in the Ministry of Defense; then the time will come when the T-72s in service, the T-90s will become "retirees" and begin to break down like the "Wildebeest", and two dozen T-14s will periodically appear at parades as part of the parade Kremlin regiment! (This is not me saying ... I read it in one review article just recently!)
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 30 March 2021 13: 45
        -1
        For a long time already not so. Of course not trying. But now the MO is squabbling for every penny. And the system is now something like this - you do it first and then we pay. Therefore, the factories are in debt. This is simple.
  • 113262a
    113262a 30 March 2021 08: 26
    +8
    The engine, transmission and electronics of the FCS are why this tank may remain a concept. Until ours is, we will lick our lips and work on the deshman seventy-two. They have one advantage - they are DESHMAN!
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 30 March 2021 11: 09
      +8
      Until ours is, we will lick our lips and work on deshman seventy-two. They have one advantage - they are DESHMAN!


      Hello.

      Well, there is also Mazut, and not a sofa, well, why is that?
      request
      Although the T-72 is a "special period" tank, Object 184 has become a very worthy vehicle.
      Somehow 72B was able to roll me out of 5 business trips ............

      B3 ...
      -Yes, I agree that the Pine on the B3 was put clumsily in the nest 1K-13.
      -Yes, with special pleasure I will put on the TKN-3 gabta and, like a sadist, I will unlock the middle shoulder strap from the ZPU.
      30 years, aphids, mata already about this ...
      But still you, um ... overdid it, I hope just in the heat of the moment.

      He is always on the move and ready to work, although he is always somewhere and constantly broken. I was always calmer on it.
      It is predictable.
      Something like that.
      And to work now, if we have to, we will use what we have, everything is as usual here.))
      Here we are all equal, that the pilots, that the submariners, that the tankers - whatever hardware is available, so you will have to win. Where to go?
      ......
      But I would have put TKN-3 ... with pleasure in ahem ... stuffed it.
      And he rammed it all the way to the Hrendelpupel with a rammer.
      Et yes.
      yes
      1. 113262a
        113262a 30 March 2021 12: 15
        +2
        What's in the heat of the moment? He worked on 80B and 64BV and on 72 and 64A. From all this, about 219R-love for life!)) Quiet, fast, soft on the go, with a well-thought-out PDPS, with ZPU forward, and not like disabled people! Drove from point A to point B with a dirty face, but with clean hands! Although-TKN-the same ugly, it would be better to put an extra triplex. But the mechanic has as many as THREE devices!
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv 30 March 2021 13: 08
          +2
          From all this, about 219P-love for life!))

          I respect the choice.
          Well ... If fate brings you back to work to plunge into work, it remains to wish to do it on the "favorite" of each gland.
          There will be more sense.
          hi
          Straight toast turned out.
          wink
          ........
          I remembered how the assigned guerrillas on the headmistress and the march killed everyone on the T-62 taken from storage.
          Bison, aphids ...))
          Ex, Memory.
          1. 113262a
            113262a 31 March 2021 18: 41
            +1
            Alas, if the eighties fall into the hands of something, only the trophy! We do not have them in service. And it won't, along the way. ... And 64 is a pitiful likeness, the tower is ours, and everything below is squalor.
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv 31 March 2021 19: 27
              +2
              Quote: 113262
              Alas, if the eighties fall into the hands of something, only the trophy! We do not have them in service. And it won't, along the way. ... And 64 is a pitiful likeness, the tower is ours, and everything below is squalor.


              Sucks.

              My experience is simple:
              Work in the Caucasus. Mostly outside the LDPE, which means without normal maintenance and provision of everything you need.
              What I found-got-raked-exchanged is mine)).
              Therefore, the choice of the T-72B (B3).
              It is not possible to convince me. Although ... Yes, not boring at all with him.

              And if you just "serve - service", then of course the modification of the T-80 is preferable, if possible.))

              Unfortunately I don’t know your name.
              I wish you good luck in your WORK.
              Alex.
              1. 113262a
                113262a 31 March 2021 22: 55
                +1
                He served in the GSVG, 23 TP, commander of the UBM about 219 rubles. A year and a half - either a tactical field, or in the woods under a tank tarpaulin, while the regiment is firing back, or exercises, including Shield-84, or driving, or going out in combat to reserve areas at the death of another general secretary or minister of defense. The whole service is on the sand, there is no land in Germany. And so my dear car erased the spurs on the tracks, but it never rattled off, although the goslings had to be changed once. The engine was changed with a demobilization chord, because according to the regulations it was supposed to. Although, still of the past! Only the battery was dying. And that is just because they often jammed, turned on the headmistress! Sampristreli LMS, the oil itself was changed. From breakdowns - crumpled sleeve collectors PKT and external tanks shot through by zampotekh. No inconvenience, the entire MTO roof was constantly on all the bolts. And the hatches on the bottom of the perfume at the time of delivery all counted!))) These are not TAGIL'S CHILDREN for you! And not what I had to work on in my old age!)))
    2. A1845
      A1845 30 March 2021 11: 41
      +2
      Quote: 113262
      electronic control system

      without optical channel
      no one has yet figured out what the price of such a decision is
  • Vlad5307
    Vlad5307 30 March 2021 09: 13
    -6
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    Well, I'm so tired. There are many stories, but no tanks.

    The tank is undergoing military trials - this is part of the work to improve the tank's systems. And he will go to the army when the shortcomings, if any, or appear during the tests, will be eliminated. The term has been named - 2022. After all, it is necessary to create a technical base / network for their maintenance / repair. This is not a toy in a store to buy a little son. soldier
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 30 March 2021 09: 43
      +11
      Quote: Vlad5307
      This is not a toy in a store to buy a little son.

      For the first time, the T-14 was demonstrated at the parade in 2015 (if I have reliable information). As for toys for a little son, the boy has already grown up enough and learned the basics of biology.
      Those who buy a pack of Durexes in a store are despicable and tell the environment about the color of their unborn child's eyes.
      Any military equipment is evaluated in combat conditions (real war). And we know the fairy tales about our “happy tomorrow” by heart.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 30 March 2021 10: 06
      +11
      Quote: Vlad5307
      The term has been named - 2022.

      Indeed, the term has been named, and not the first:
      Serial deliveries the newest T-14 Armata tank will be delivered to the Russian army in 2021 year, said at a briefing the head of the state corporation "Rostec" Sergei Chemezov.(07.12.2020)
      However, this article does not say that:
      "In 2022 it is planned delivery to the troops of a pilot industrial batch T-14 tanks, T-15 infantry fighting vehicles and T-16 armored repair and recovery vehicles, "Interfax quotes Shoigu as saying.
    3. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 30 March 2021 11: 39
      +6
      The tank is undergoing military trials - this is part of the work to improve the tank's systems. And he will go to the army when the shortcomings, if any, or appear during the tests, will be eliminated.


      Hello.
      These are not all questions ...

      Looking forward to when Armata goes to the troops as "Platform".
      And on its base and the tank, and ... everything else is details.
      And this requires "news" from the "shop" from Nizhny Tagil and ... a lot of dough to re-equip subcontractors almost all over the country.
      That would be an impetus for the entire industry.
      .....
      Yes, I am a storyteller, a storyteller.
      I see.
      Let the money run in amerskih gko, so it's calmer.
      yes
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 30 March 2021 10: 00
    +5
    Everything is correct. You cannot exploit peremogs indefinitely. Though...
    Promises will endure everything. And the rest - "hold on."

    Already the 3rd generation of Armat dreams of reaching the troops, the 3rd generation of Terminators, the 2nd-3rd generation of SU57, are those who are only heard ...
    And the generations of the rest of the modernizers from time to time have articles and videos here ...
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 30 March 2021 10: 20
      0
      Already the 3rd generation of Armat dreams of reaching the troops, the 3rd generation of Terminators, the 2nd-3rd generation of SU57, are those who are only heard ...

      I will continue...
      From the fact that you often say halva, your mouth will not become sweeter.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 30 March 2021 10: 09
    -5
    I am not a tanker or even a military engineer, but even I understand that the T-14 is a possible version of a 21st century tank, with all the innovations. Template. Opinions, criticism are all there and will be. But engineering thought does not stand still. As for the Abrams, this tank is from 1983, if I'm not mistaken. Comparing it with "Armata" is stupid. But the initial ideas laid down by the engineers in "Armata" are unusual and interesting. The rest, time and combat experience will tell. But "Armata" looks - powerful!
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 30 March 2021 12: 08
    +4
    Well, among other things, I think after the war in Karabakh, everyone understood that in its current form the fate of the T-14 on the Armenian side would not differ much from the fate of the T-72. Without gaining air supremacy, any tank is not a tenant. t-72 is worse, but with the obligatory presence of active protection complexes.
    1. Olddetractor
      Olddetractor 30 March 2021 12: 49
      +3
      I did not think that the existence of the T-14 could be connected in any way with victory or loss in the conflict in which the decisive role was played not by aviation, but by artillery. Or I'm wrong?
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 30 March 2021 13: 42
        +3
        I did not think that the existence of the T-14 could be connected in any way with victory or loss in the conflict in which the decisive role was played not by aviation, but by artillery. Or I'm wrong?

        Do not be mistaken, since the civil one in Spain, without gaining air supremacy, victory on the ground cannot be achieved. Even if we consider the Second World War, the defeat at the initial stage of the Red Army, border battles, the disaster at Vyazma, the defeat of the Crimean and Southwestern fronts took place under the absolute domination of the Luftwaffe. The victory of the Red Army near Moscow is the strongest air defense group of the Moscow zone, the counteroffensive at Stalingrad was ensured by our air superiority, and then the Germans, having lost their air advantage during the Kuban air battle, could no longer stop our army.
        In Operation Bagration, with a 16-fold superiority of aviation, the Germans were frozen in their positions, not allowing them to conduct a maneuverable defense and destroying artillery and artillery depots. Well, about the German offensive in the Ardennes, in the presence of "supertanks" was choked as soon as the flying weather appeared and the allied aviation showed the tankers who was the boss on the battlefield. The heavy assault on Berlin was due to bad weather with fogs, no normal reconnaissance, not accurate fire impact on the echeloned defense, which led to large losses in tanks. And the recent Karabakh massacre once again showed how to fight. No superpuper tactical-strategic minds can win without aviation. It's just that our Victory marshals belittled the role of aviation and were proud of their offensive designs.
      2. Pashhenko Nikolay
        Pashhenko Nikolay 30 March 2021 14: 39
        +2
        You are not mistaken. But were the tanks in that war a strike weapon? Frankly speaking, episodically.
        1. Olddetractor
          Olddetractor 30 March 2021 18: 44
          0
          My head is spinning from these "not" ... Although it is known that the "Kettle cools for a long time" and "The kettle does not cool for a long time" are essentially the same
  • BAI
    BAI 30 March 2021 12: 32
    +9
    hype around the newest tank, who is still in the status of an experiencedgradually dies down.

    That is why it is no longer interesting. One chatter and promises. Endless upgrades, not yet serialized. The tank has turned from a means of combat into a means of budgeting.
    1. spectr
      spectr 31 March 2021 09: 18
      0
      I heard such a version that the tank has problems with the filling. was too much tied to imported technology. Now the developers are forced to frantically alter the tank so as not to impair its performance. And this process is very slow.
  • Romanenko
    Romanenko 31 March 2021 00: 05
    -1
    The author correctly writes, we still need to try on this tank ourselves and learn how to use it, then what is already not a tank in the army sense. Well, yes, there are several machines that have passed and are passing various tests of maturity and fitness.
    But this is not a TANK yet.
    A tank is much more, it is a full cycle of operation of the machine in all regions of our country, in possible theater of operations, use, losses, disadvantages, advantages and full maintenance of the life cycle.
    That's when all this will begin to appear in our country, when people who have served in the Armata will appear, only then the subdued interest of potential acquirers will flare up again.
    And is it necessary now to ensure the sale of these machines?
    I think it’s not worth it, let them puzzle that there is a horse inside and try to sculpt something similar, but we have serious work ahead of us on the development of the Armat family, and it will take not a year or five.
  • zlobny tatarin
    zlobny tatarin 31 March 2021 07: 30
    +1
    Pisulka about nothing. Perhaps ... probably.
  • Alexilyin
    Alexilyin 31 March 2021 08: 38
    +2
    The excitement around the T-14 "Armata" tank dies down: about possible reasons
    It's simple ... tired already, tired of stale "news and happy reports". And besides the T-14 there is something to write about or discuss.
  • bzbo
    bzbo April 1 2021 04: 55
    +1
    Tank biathlon will show whether Armata is needed or not
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus April 2 2021 17: 37
    +1
    If the Armata is a tank for conducting network-centric warfare, then the delay in the series is understandable, since for this it is necessary to reconsider everything from the actions of a single tank to the formation. Plus repairs, maintenance, supplies, etc. etc. The retraining and training of crews will be a song. The only question is, to put someone there, a conscript or a contract soldier, and how to prepare him. Armata control tank, including robotic combat systems, or just a linear tank. The answers to such questions have not yet been found better than the T-90M in the hands than the Armata in the clouds.
    1. Arkon
      Arkon April 3 2021 09: 23
      0
      Exactly. So far, Armata is not a combat vehicle in the full sense, but a technique that provides the possibility of developing a new type of warfare by ground forces.
      However, it should be understood that now only Russia has such an opportunity.
      The rest of the countries do not have it in the foreseeable future.
  • Elturisto
    Elturisto April 3 2021 20: 15
    -1
    The main reason is that on a show model made of tin it is not possible to fight with your hands ... There is no engine, no transmission ... in short, there is an elongated and retouched T-72 well, and whoever needs sums with many zeros ...