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Greece and Albania: 200 years apart

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The limits of the possible



On March 25-26, Greece celebrated the 200th anniversary of the popular uprising against Turkish rule. Among foreign statesmen, Russian Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin took part in the celebrations.

The uprising ended in 1829 with the Ottoman Empire granting broad autonomy to Greece. This was, we recall, one of the conditions of the Russian-Turkish Adrianople peace treaty. Already in 1830, Turkey, under pressure from Russia, was forced to grant independence to Greece (see. How Russia helped create Greek independence).

Since the early 1830s, the territory of independent Greece was no more than a quarter of its present territory. Greece reached its current borders only by the end of the 1940s - again, not without assistance from the Russian Empire and the USSR.


The final chord in the formation of these borders was the reunification of Greece in 1947 with the Dodecanese archipelago in the southeast of the Aegean Sea. These are the Greek islands of the Southern Sporades with an area of ​​2760 sq. km and about 5 thousand sq. km along with the adjacent water area.

While helping with the Dodecanese, the Soviet leadership at the same time made Greece renounce its territorial claims to the southern region of Albania, which already in 1945 had become an ideological and military-political ally of the USSR.

Restless neighbor


As a result of the Second World War, Albania ceased to be a semi-colony of Italy. Recall: Italy, having defeated Turkey in the war of 1911-1912, seized from her not only Libya, but also the Dodecanese Islands with adjoining waters in the southeast of the Aegean Sea.

The fact that these islands have long been dominated by the Greek population did not bother the Italians. It is interesting that already at the beginning of the 60s of the last century, the share of Greeks in the population of the archipelago reached almost 100%.

After the capitulation of the Porta in World War I, Italy, despite the demands of Athens, refused to transfer the archipelago to Greece. The Entente, which included Italy, did not hide the desire to control the entire route between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean basin.

However, Greece's claims to the Dodecanese have not gone anywhere. In the fall of 1944, British troops captured these islands, with the expectation of transferring them under the "temporary" care of Great Britain - as they did in 1944-1951. with ex-Italian Eritrea on the Red Sea coast.

But the German garrison on the main island of the archipelago - Rhodes - capitulated only on May 8, 1945. And neutral Turkey, as a reward for non-interference in the war on the side of the Third Reich, began to demand the "return" of this archipelago, but London refused.

Do we need a Turkish coast?


At the same time, the position of the USSR, which, much to the confusion of the allies, did not demand the straits, was that these islands should be transferred to Greece. Not only as a member of the anti-fascist coalition, but also as a country that experienced two Italian aggression: in November 1940 and coupled with the Nazi invasion in April-May 1941.

Since March 31, 1947, the administration of His Majesty King Paul I of Greece first began to rule the archipelago. But the British delayed the transfer of sovereignty to Athens, trying to gain a foothold in the southern part of the Mediterranean Straits route.

However, London was forced to yield, taking into account the position of the USSR on the archipelago and the signing of a peace treaty with Italy on February 10, 1947: from September 15, the sovereignty of Greece was declared on the islands.


Meanwhile, back in January 10, 1944, in a letter to the Deputy People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the USSR I.M. Maisky about the post-war system in Europe, it was noted that

"Greece must be restored within the 1940 borders and, moreover, the Dodecanese must be handed over to Greece."

Which was supported in London and Washington.

We need a base on the Bosphorus


To demand the straits from a non-warring Turkey in 1945 would be too much. Not only was the USSR friendly with this country during all the interwar years, the propaganda effect could be very unpleasant - they say that Stalin's Russia is following the path of the Romanovs' Russia.

But the failure with the post-war project to obtain a naval base on the Bosphorus was not so expected (see. Khrushchev, Constantinople and the Straits). And therefore, Moscow decided to link the ownership of the archipelago with the presentation of the base there by the USSR, at least for the trade fleet.

At the session of the Council of Ministers of Foreign Affairs (CFM) of the USSR, Great Britain, the USA and France on September 14-17, 1945 in Moscow, People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs V.M. Molotov stated that,

"By supporting the transfer of the archipelago to Athens, this area is of strategic interest to the USSR due to its proximity to the entrance to the Black Sea" (see FRUS, 1945, vol. 2).

This position of Moscow was connected with the fact that British troops remained in Greece since the spring of 1945. From where, under pressure from the United States, they were evacuated in February-March 1947. In the memorandum of the head of the British Foreign Office E. Bevin to the USSR delegation at the Ministerial Council on September 19, 1945, it was assumed that:

after the Greek elections, if "a more compliant government comes to power, it is possible that Athens will agree to the deployment of a Soviet base as a" price "for the transfer of the Dodecanese Islands."

The Soviet People's Commissar reminded the Allied diplomats that:

“During the First World War, the British government promised to transfer Constantinople to Russia. Now the Soviet government does not pretend to do this. " Moreover: "Can't the Soviet Union have a" corner "in the Mediterranean for its merchant fleet?"

As General Charles de Gaulle later noted,

"At these words, the British and Americans took their breath ... and the Italian question almost completely reached a dead end."

Another truth about Greece


And in the "Directives for the Soviet Delegation at the Meeting of Deputies in the Council of Foreign Ministers in London", approved on January 7, 1946, the Politburo ordered:

“To ensure that in preliminary negotiations with the Greeks it was stipulated that consent to the transfer of the Dodecanese islands could be given if the USSR was granted a base for merchant ships on a lease basis on one of the Dodecanese islands” (RGASPI, f. 17, op. 162, d. 38).

Meanwhile, Admiral K. Rodionov, the then USSR ambassador to Greece, in talks with Greek Prime Minister F. Sofulis on February 18, 1946, noted that the Soviet merchant shipping company

"Could lease a site in one of the Dodecanese islands to create / lease a base for merchant ships."

This step "would have a beneficial effect on the restoration of the Greek-Soviet trade and the solution of the issue of the Dodecanese." But Sofulis declined to answer, saying that

"He cannot express his opinion on the question raised before the parliamentary elections in Greece at the end of March."

The victory in the March 31 elections by the extreme right - the People's Party - ruled out negotiations on such a base in the Dodecanese.

“Such negotiations became impossible in connection, recall, with the war in Greece between the communists and government troops in 1946-1949. In it, the latter received military and technical assistance from London (until the spring of 1947), and then from Washington. As a result, the communist troops surrendered "(see" The Truth About Greece ", Moscow, foreign literature publishing house, 1949; AVP RF, f. 084, op. 34, p. 139, d. 8).

Farewell to Chameria


Due to the factors mentioned, at a meeting of the Council of Foreign Ministers in Paris in June 1946, Molotov stated that

"The Soviet delegation has no objection to the transfer of the Dodecanese to Greece."

But the delegation of the USSR in return demanded from the ex-allies, including Greece, guarantees of the inviolability of the borders of Albania. Greece has long claimed its southern region - Chameria and the nearby large port of Vlore (Greek "Northern Epirus").

By that time, a pro-Soviet communist regime had established itself in Albania, which had obvious strategic benefits for the USSR in the Balkans and the Mediterranean. Until the early 60s, it was in Vlore that the only Soviet naval base in the Mediterranean was located.


Now no one needs submarines in Albanian Vlora

In view of the growing importance of Greece to the West, London and Washington agreed to Moscow's demand and "persuaded" Athens to actually renounce its claims to Albanian Chameria. This became a fact in mid-November 1947 after a government statement addressed to the government of Albania.

Vyacheslav Mikhailovich Molotov, who put together "Documents and materials on the foreign policy of the USSR" (Moscow, Gospolitizdat, 1949; AWP RF, f. 0431 / II, op. 2, p. 10, d. 40), noted that only two months after the proclamation of Greek sovereignty in the Dodecanese, however, Greece legally abandoned those claims only in 1972.

Finally, it was only in 1987 that the country announced the end of the state of war with Albania.

The USSR was able to strengthen the security of this country and strengthen its position in the Balkans, skillfully using the demand of Athens to annex the Dodecanese.
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  1. Alexander Betonkin
    Alexander Betonkin April 3 2021 00: 44
    +3
    But now Greece and Albania are NATO members. Greece is included, and Albania is an official candidate for the European Union. And both countries are together trying to resolve the issue of emigrants (2019).
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 3 2021 10: 28
      +2
      Interesting Facts. Never thought about it. I'll reread it.
  2. Artashes
    Artashes April 3 2021 01: 01
    +2
    Greece has always been ruled by German dynasties (as in Bulgaria). This did not allow to get closer to Russia, especially from the USSR.
  3. Rita Aletdinova 1999
    Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 02: 36
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    Well, now all that remains is to cry for the Greeks and Albanians, who have lost the opportunity to be part of the Great Turan! At a time when Turkey is flourishing and wealthy, the Greeks and Albanians stand with an outstretched hand. And after all, both Greeks and Bulgarians and Balkans dream of becoming part of Turkey, as self-governing regions, and they are afraid to admit it. Otherwise "vile" Turks will come and "torture" them with high salaries and pensions! Terrorize with the latest buildings and updated infrastructure! They will raise the standard of living above the European level and create a social program that these guys never dreamed of. This is how the locals will be "tortured". Was it worth it to destroy the Ottoman Empire, then to sit and regret? The question is rhetorical! But the gathering of lands has already begun and soon the Greeks and Bulgarians themselves will ask to join the Great Turan! This is obvious to everyone!
    1. URAL72
      URAL72 April 3 2021 07: 49
      +10
      Rita, you are writing here about brain fog, unification, but what about your brain? Greeks and Turks are so different that even a no brainer. But not for you. By the way, the Turks do not accidentally want to unite with Russia on the basis of autonomy, is it as easy as you are proposing to the Greeks? It seems that the burqa presses your brain so much that not a single gyrus can move. And understand - not everything and not for everyone is measured by money.
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      3. Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 17: 28
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        No! Better to join Russia in Turkey! Then we will be rich and happy as part of the Great Turan! Considering our common Turkic past!
    2. Bili
      Bili April 3 2021 17: 27
      +3
      You seriously think so, you look at the Turkish lira, and write a stalemate, I have traveled all over Turkey and I know what the situation is there.
      1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 17: 29
        -5
        More than! In Turkey, people live well, not like ours in poverty! Draw your own conclusions!
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 April 4 2021 12: 26
      +5
      In Russian folklore, the Turks are far from the best characterization of a character .. wink
    4. Vadim Grigorov
      Vadim Grigorov April 8 2021 19: 29
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      If a person is a Pan-Turkist, then the non-obvious is obvious to him. Burning out a Muslim tumor from the Balkans for 300 years in order to start it up again - this idea is good only for Russian nationalities.
      1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 14 2021 03: 18
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        Get treatment, clown!
    5. Stanislav Khatuntsev
      Stanislav Khatuntsev April 10 2021 05: 45
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      What kind of wet erotic fantasies ???)))
      1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 14 2021 03: 19
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        I don't know, you know better)
    6. gsev
      gsev 27 June 2021 02: 45
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      Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
      Well, now all that remains is to cry for the Greeks and Albanians, who have lost the opportunity to be part of the Great Turan!

      There is nothing more expensive and independence. A familiar Tatar woman, being in Turkey, often pretends to be a Uyghur. Turkish nationalists even consider the Tatars to be traitors to Turkey, because they do not fight against the Russians and are loyal to Russia. I can imagine how in Turkey they will oppress the Greeks and Bulgarians in case of accession. As far as I know, the Greeks were once faced with a choice to keep the faith and switch to Turkish or accept Islam and get permission to speak Greek. Moreover, Orthodox Greeks in Turkey were threatened with the death penalty for using their native language. The Cherkusians who fled Russia in the 19th century were forced to adopt literary Turkish names. A friend's friend spent time in a Turkish prison for trying to regain his ancestral Circassian name. I can imagine how non-Turkic people will be nationally oppressed in Turkey if Erdogan's heirs succeed in reviving the Ottoman Empire.
  4. Rita Aletdinova 1999
    Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 02: 42
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    No matter how much I communicated with Russian Greeks, I only listened to rudeness and insults addressed to myself. Their minds are clouded by some kind of propaganda about pseudo-Hellenic greatness and their Europeanness. Their pride does not allow them to take the path of correction and begin to unite with those who wish them well. On the forums, they are instantly banned for honesty. Hence their problems. Although there are adequate Greeks. In Kazan, our grandfather is a Greek, his name is Dmitry, he agrees with all my arguments and understands that as part of the Great Turan they will be better than with pseudo-independence. And while the Greeks and others will deny their Turkic past, they will not have breakthroughs!
    1. pytar
      pytar April 3 2021 16: 59
      +8
      No matter how much I communicated with Russian Greeks, I only listened to rudeness and insults addressed to myself.

      Your posts, to put it mildly, strange, suggest that the problem is not at all in the Russian Greeks ... No. Sorry, but are you sure you're okay? hi
      1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 17: 31
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        I'm all right man! And it's time for you to come to your senses and recognize your Turkic past and return to your native state!
        1. pytar
          pytar April 3 2021 20: 08
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          And it's time for you to come to your senses and recognize your Turkic past and return to your native state!

          I would do as you say, but there is a "problem"! I was born blond blue-eyed, and the Turks have no such. laughing Of course, a person can consider himself what he wants, even a Martian, the right to self-determination is called. But genetics indicates what kind of origin it has. And here there is something interesting - there are no Turks in the Balkans by genetics. Even the Turks that are here and they are from the local Balkans, but they are Turkic. That's how it is Rita ... and I wish you, will return to reality. hi
          1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
            Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 20: 41
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            There are a lot of blondes and others among the Turks, as well as Tatars among us. So there is no need to tell fairy tales, but genetically Bulgarians are natural Turks. But you can continue to deceive yourself)
            1. pytar
              pytar April 3 2021 22: 28
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              There are a lot of blondes and others among the Turks, as well as Tatars among us.

              There are, but their ancestors are not Turks, but descendants of the local non-Turkic population in the regions conquered by the Turks. My close friend, blue-eyed blond - "Turk", or rather he thought so himself, until we persuaded him to do a genetic test. The results were surprising - it turned out that he does not have a single Gram Türkic genes, but for that is Gothic, Slavic, Proto-Bulgarian and even Thracian, which is typical for our region. My similar ones, I was also curious and made myself a test. As for the Tatars, science still argue who they are and where they came from.
              So there is no need to tell fairy tales, but genetically Bulgarians are natural Turks.

              Well, if according to your science, "tells fairy tales," then you tell stories. lol
              1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 23: 06
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                Well, of course) And on the territory of Russia there are a lot of the same Khakass blondes and blue-eyed Asians, do you think they are also Europeans? Do not make me laugh! Most Caucasians, by the way, are brown-eyed and dark-haired, this is evidenced by statistics and light eye color, as well as hair does not say anything about European origin. But the fact that you were originally a Turkic tribe of Bulgars, which mixed with the Slavs, is a historical fact, and our ancestors, the Turks, during the Ottoman Empire, poured a lot of their blood into you, as well as into Serbs, Greeks, Russians and Boshniaks. So guys, you are blood brothers to us and this is confirmed by science and genetics. You are Bulgarians and outwardly Turks)
                1. pytar
                  pytar April 4 2021 13: 22
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                  And on the territory of Russia there are a lot of the same Khakass blondes and blue-eyed Asians, do you think they are also Europeans?

                  Blondes among the Khakass, etc. this is the contribution of the Russian Slavs. And not only are they Europeans in Asia! The area of ​​the European race, once reached the Chinese wall. A significant part of today's European peoples migrated from Asia.
                  Do not make me laugh!

                  Take what you wish for reality. lol
                  But the fact that you were originally a Turkic tribe of Bulgars ...

                  This theory was very popular in the past. Modern genetics smashed her to smithereens! We have preserved many funeral graves of the Proto-Bulgarian nobility from the beginning of the 7th century. A comparative genetic analysis categorically shows that they have no kinship with the Turkic peoples.
                  Yes, and our ancestors, the Turks, during the Ottoman Empire, poured a lot of their blood into you, as well as into the Serbs, Greeks, Russians and Boshniks.

                  I don't know how it was with the Russians and Tatars, but with us everything happened the other way around. The Turks often married from the local non-Turkic population and themselves Europeanized. The opposite was impossible! As for the violence against women, the times were brutal! If a woman, as a result of violence, became pregnant from an agarene / gentile / newborn, she was thrown into abysses or into rivers, and relatives went to the Haiduts and took revenge on the rapists. So we managed to survive for centuries in someone else's foreign environment.
                  So guys, you are blood brothers to us and this is confirmed by science and genetics.

                  We remember very well this 5th century bloody "brotherhood"! Our land is filled with the blood of our ancestors, hacked to death by the Turkish scimitar! When I hear Turkish speech, my blood boils!
                  You are Bulgarians and outwardly Turks

                  Modern Turks are a motley blanket. Turks in Asia Minor outwardly differ greatly from European ones. We also have a variety of appearances. Our ancestors were different. The Thracians are curly, light-haired, athletic, blue and green-eyed. Great-Bulgarian - typical Caucasian type. Slavs - we know.
                  According to genetic studies, the genes characteristic of the Turkic-Altai group are less than 1% in our country !!!
                  The facts are, and your fantasies have nothing to do with reality.
                  1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                    Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 4 2021 14: 36
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                    Boyan, you are deeply mistaken about the Khakass and Mongoloid peoples who live on the territory of the Russian Federation. In the same Khakass, the Slavs practically did not pour their blood and therefore they are close to the Mongols in appearance. Moreover, it has been proven by science that people living in cold climates gradually turn white, their eyes brighten.

                    Have you decided to argue with science and genetics? Ah ah ah! It is a historically known fact that the Bulgars were Turks and they mixed with the Slavs on the territory of modern Bulgaria, and later our ancestors, the Turks, poured their blood into you. Therefore, outwardly you are the spitting image of the Turks! And there is no need to deny it, we go to Bulgaria and see how you look with our own eyes.

                    I remind you again! Most Caucasians are brown-eyed and dark-haired! Understand that light eyes and hair do not in any way confirm the presence of Europeanness! A person lives to the north for centuries - he will be fair-haired and light-eyed under the influence of the climate. Proven by Russian indigenous peoples! Moreover, initially all people were just brown-eyed and dark-haired, dark-skinned, which has been proven by science and genetics.

                    With regards to the death of the Bulgarians from the Turks, we may remind you that the Bulgarians also massacred many Turks. So it's not worth stirring up the past.

                    That's how it is, you live in fairy tales, and I confirm my words with science and genetics. You are genetically Turks by at least 50% and this cannot be changed)
                    1. paul3390
                      paul3390 April 4 2021 16: 40
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                      You are genetically Turks by at least 50% and this cannot be changed)

                      And you are 70% blacks! Proven by science. And fuck you change that. laughing
                    2. pytar
                      pytar April 4 2021 18: 11
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                      Boyan, you are deeply mistaken about the Khakass and Mongoloid peoples who live on the territory of the Russian Federation.

                      I will not argue about the Khakassians. These peoples are unknown to me. But then you refute yourself ... bully :

                      Therefore, outwardly you are the spitting image of the Turks! And there is no need to deny it, we go to Bulgaria and see how you look with our own eyes.

                      Most Caucasians are brown-eyed and dark-haired! Understand that light eyes and hair do not in any way confirm the presence of Europeanness! ... Moreover, initially all people were just brown-eyed and dark-haired, dark-skinned, which has been proven by science and genetics.

                      It turns out that we were like that! Therefore, they do not owe their appearance to the Turks! Look at the Greeks and Albanians discussed in this article! They have been in the Balkans since several thousand years, they were so far before the invasion of the Turks!

                      A person lives to the north for centuries - he will be fair-haired and light-eyed under the influence of the climate. Proven by Russian indigenous peoples!

                      And there is! If you are a blonde, live under our hot sun with 240 sunny days a year, your offspring will also become like us! laughing

                      Have you decided to argue with science and genetics? Ah ah ah!

                      Therefore, you cannot argue with the science of genetics, ah, ah ... As far as neither appearance nor language can determine the origin of the peoples! Only genetics gives the answer! And she just points to the non-Turkic origin of the Bulgarians, Greeks, Albanians and other Balkan peoples! yes
                      Look at the diagrams! Where are the Turks and where are the Slavic nations!



                      With regards to the death of the Bulgarians from the Turks, we may remind you that the Bulgarians also massacred many Turks. So it's not worth stirring up the past.

                      We could not ... 5 century massacre arranged by the Turks over us, not a joke ... Ask the Balkans! We have a rare unanimity when it comes to the atrocities of the Turks!

                      No matter how much I communicated with Russian Greeks, I only listened to rudeness and insults addressed to myself.

                      I'm not surprised that they reacted this way to your hardenings! To tell a Balkan such that you are here is the most disgusting insult for him! negative
                      1. Vadim Grigorov
                        Vadim Grigorov April 8 2021 19: 32
                        +2
                        Boyan, nyama smisl yes talk to tyakh. Panturkistite sa plateni trolove on turtsite. Te sa on the Russian site veche omr'zna for vsechki.
                      2. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                        Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 14 2021 03: 25
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                        Genetics proves the opposite, that there is a lot of Turkic blood in Bulgarians and Greeks. Proceed from official sources, not nonsense. No matter how you deny it, genetically we are brothers with you.
                  2. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                    Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 4 2021 14: 39
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                    And by the way. as proven by geneticists. the early tribes of the Slavs, too, were all brown-eyed and dark-haired, dark-skinned, and only as a result of long-term residence in different parts of Europe, they each acquired their own appearance)
              2. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid April 4 2021 16: 18
                -1
                ..... proto-Bulgarian and even Thracian ......

                Yes, I did, in the book "Chronicle Rus", published by Veche, about the Slavic state in the north-west of the Caucasus (present-day Krasnodar Region, and Abkhazia). First it was called Sarmatia, then Ruslana, then Great Bulgaria. During the war with the Arabs and Khazars, Bulgarian refugees along the southern coast of the Black Sea infiltrated the Balkans, while the country received its new name - Bulgaria. There Ruslans successfully mixed with 7 tribes, the descendants of the Thracians ...
            2. alatanas
              alatanas 10 May 2021 17: 15
              0
              A Turk is not a Turk, it's just a language.
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 April 4 2021 12: 29
          +5
          When the Greeks created the first great states, the ancestors of the Turks were just beginning to ponder whether they sharpen stone axes correctly and how to use a digging stick!
          1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
            Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 4 2021 14: 47
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            Oh and nonsense) Let me remind you that all medicine, science and philosophy came from the East. By the way, why are the Russians opening their mouths at all? In what century did you develop at all? In the 8th? With the help of the Vikings, who clothed you, shod you and taught you how to wipe! So keep your mouth shut and stay out of the conversation!
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 April 4 2021 16: 38
              +4
              Dash under the bench! Who allowed daddy's computer to turn on without asking?
              1. Reptiloid
                Reptiloid April 4 2021 21: 24
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                Quote: paul3390
                Dash under the bench! Who allowed daddy's computer to turn on without asking?

                Don't be angry with her. There are comments below, it is clear --- a writer came to us. I would like to know about creative plans. How what. She has such interesting words, observations about men are found in her works .... about all sorts of things.
          2. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid April 4 2021 16: 29
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            Quote: paul3390
            ....... ancestors of the Turks ....... do they sharpen stone axes correctly .....

            Actually, those tribes chimpanzee, who live in rocky landscapes, have already mastered production of stone tools, including axes ...
            But paleoanthropologists found traces of small plastic (figurines of animals), at the site of the Pithecanthropic sites!
  5. Rita Aletdinova 1999
    Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 03: 35
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    Another proof that it is time for the Greeks and Albanians to return to Turkey!
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid April 3 2021 10: 26
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      Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
      Another proof that it is time for the Greeks and Albanians to return to Turkey!
      hi laughing If the Greeks and Albanians read it, Kaaaak will flee to Turkey. It would be very interesting to know what kind of girl is so serious, if you think that 1999 is the year of her birth? Or is it something else?
      1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 17: 30
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        They will run, they will fly, they will race! Turkey - development, wealth and prosperity!
        1. Financier
          Financier April 3 2021 22: 52
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          Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
          They will run, they will fly, they will race!

          But no one still runs to them, no one flies. And they will not run and will not fly.
          Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
          Turkey - development, wealth and prosperity!

          laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
          1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
            Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 23: 06
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            All in good time) Moscow was also not built right away)
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 April 4 2021 16: 41
          +4
          Turkey is poverty, stone age of technology and cave atrocities. What they have always been famous for .. They will pick up slobs from the ads - soon they will start drowning for the Papuans .. Although, the Turks are not so far from the Papuans in general .. And in terms of development and mentality.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ April 4 2021 22: 38
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            Turkey is poverty, stone age of technology and cave atrocities.

            You are mistaken about technology, but otherwise - it may well be. For more than 20 years, the Turks have been training quite competent aviation engineers, they had to communicate, they grasp everything on the fly. And only because of Erdogan's inadequacy, our cooperation did not take place, but under a normal leader they can make good flying machines by cooperating with us.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid April 5 2021 02: 05
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              ... grasp everything on the fly ...
              want to study? Did you enter it not out of pull or for a fee, but because you tried very hard?
              1. Aviator_
                Aviator_ April 5 2021 08: 02
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                Dmitry, I talked with already accomplished engineers for 35-40 years, smart guys. It is unlikely that these are obtained from thieves or paysites.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid April 5 2021 15: 01
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                  Quote: Aviator_
                  Dmitry, I talked with already accomplished engineers for 35-40 years, smart guys. It is unlikely that these are obtained from thieves or paysites.

                  Sorry, Sergei, I thought about students, because I know that you supervise students, graduate students, young professionals
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ April 5 2021 20: 35
                    +1
                    No, fortunately we have no Turkish students. Sometimes I write reviews on graduate students and graduate students of MPEI, there a couple of times I came across from Myanmar, extremely stupid. And the Vietnamese study at the Physicotechnical Institute, these will be better. Communist education?
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            5. Rita Aletdinova 1999
              Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 6 2021 15: 19
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              He carried delirium on all counts. Rather, he expounded his autobiography and his drinking companions and applied them to more developed Turks!
          2. Rita Aletdinova 1999
            Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 6 2021 15: 12
            -5
            Turkey is development. high standard of living and power! Cave atrocities are now flourishing in Russia, and you are angry about this, because you are a hundred years behind the Turks in terms of living standards and development)
          3. gsev
            gsev 27 June 2021 02: 33
            0
            Quote: paul3390
            Turkey is poverty, stone age of technology and cave atrocities.

            At the last technical exhibitions in Moscow, the explosive growth of Turkish firms has been marked by exhibiting their products. I would like to note their well-coordinated cooperation with Azerbaijanis. Also, many Turks, being erudite in engineering, speak Russian perfectly. Unlike Rita Aletdinova, when communicating, they do not hurt the national pride of their counterparts. Separately, there are more Turkish representatives than French, Italian or British representatives.
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 April 3 2021 17: 29
      +8
      Madam, excuse me, do you really think that Turkey has few Kurds? Do you want Greeks and Albanians to join them? By the way, the Greeks live richer than the Turks, so what about the "torture with high salaries and pensions," you miss it.
      1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 17: 30
        -4
        Do not make me laugh! The Greeks are poor!
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 April 3 2021 17: 32
          +4
          Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
          Do not make me laugh! The Greeks are poor!
          I have been to Greece and Turkey, the Greeks live richer. Maybe you mean the external debt of the state of Greece? Then I will agree.
          1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
            Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 17: 34
            -4
            It is enough to see how the Turks and Greeks live. The Turks have apartments and houses and cars and prices are low for everything. the economy is growing by leaps and bounds, and the Greeks save every cent. Yes, Turkey lives much better and the Greeks see it and envy the Turks!
            1. bk0010
              bk0010 April 3 2021 17: 38
              +7
              Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
              the economy is growing by leaps and bounds
              It is a pity that the Turks do not know about this. They think that they are in crisis, the lira is constantly falling. That would be happy!
              Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
              Yes, Turkey lives much better and the Greeks see it and envy the Turks!
              But the Greeks don't know about it ...
              1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 20: 42
                -3
                The Turks know everything and there is no crisis there. In Turkey, people are wealthy! This is poverty in Russia now. There, no one climbs the trash heaps, unlike us!
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid April 3 2021 22: 35
                  +4
                  Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
                  ...... This is poverty in Russia now. There, no one climbs the trash heaps, unlike us!
                  From you? I would like to know ---- who exactly do you mean? Saying that you climb straight lines? Whom besides myself? I sympathize.
                  1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                    Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 23: 07
                    -1
                    Feel for yourself! The country is full of hungry pensioners and homeless people, but in Turkey there is no such thing!
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid April 4 2021 07: 24
                      +3
                      Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
                      ...... The country is full of hungry pensioners and homeless people, but in Turkey there is no such thing!
                      well yes! You just traveled all over Russia and all of Turkey, exited.
                      There is a so-called flea market in our city. They sell things that antique hunters find in the trash heaps. So this phenomenon is not only with us. The web is full of stories.
                      1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                        Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 4 2021 14: 26
                        -2
                        There are flea markets all over the world) No need to invent)
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid April 4 2021 15: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
                        There are flea markets all over the world) No need to invent)
                        what is it about?
                    2. aleksejkabanets
                      aleksejkabanets April 5 2021 15: 17
                      -1
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      There is a so-called flea market in our city. They sell things that antique hunters find in the trash heaps. So this phenomenon is not only with us.

                      Completely lie that. Krasnodar Territory, Labinsk, a sufficient number of people of retirement age climb the trash heaps, mainly looking for aluminum cans from under the beer and other things. Not homeless people, not drunkards.
                    3. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid April 6 2021 12: 02
                      +1
                      People always try to collect and hand over metal. Everywhere. From ancient times to the present day. Also metal cans for tea
                      Also, aluminum dishes are scampered from summer cottages. Saws, hammers, nails, latches, handles and so on. So what? It has always been that way.
                      And in our city there are still some ancient copper, bronze and brass jewelry in some places. So what? Someone tyrit, some do not.
                    4. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                      Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 6 2021 15: 08
                      -3
                      People are looking for food in the garbage in general.
                    5. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid April 6 2021 15: 14
                      +1
                      Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
                      People are looking for food in the garbage in general.

                      This is not true, Guzel.
                    6. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                      Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 6 2021 15: 15
                      -2
                      It's true. There are a lot of homeless people and poor people in Russia. Even the commentators here have confirmed that I was right. Checkmate!
                    7. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid April 6 2021 15: 21
                      +1
                      someone confirmed, someone denied request You didn’t come and didn’t ask.
                      We have something else, in some stores there is a basket, there who wants to can put what he wants to give away for free, to those who need it.
                    8. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                      Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 6 2021 15: 22
                      -2
                      It is foolish to try to include a fool, fire.
                    9. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid April 6 2021 15: 32
                      -1
                      Well, why use words that are not accepted in VO? After all, if you were attentive, you would notice that no one uses any such words here. Yes, even a minus was given to me? But the question arises - is it expressed in what glasses ..... Although, of course, you can remember how you describe men in your texts, Guzel. Very inhuman. Even their primitive actions ...
                      wassat lol until the evening
                    10. Rita Aletdinova 1999
                      Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 7 2021 03: 25
                      -1
                      The nickname "little lamb" is more suitable for you, not reptilian) laughing
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets April 7 2021 10: 58
          -1
          Quote: Reptiloid
          People always try to collect and hand over metal.

          Something I do not remember in the USSR, what would people collect metal from garbage dumps, especially pensioners.
  • Financier
    Financier April 3 2021 22: 46
    +6
    Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
    Turks know everything

    Nobody can know everything.
    Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
    There, no one climbs the trash heaps, unlike us!

    Where do you have it?
    1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
      Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 3 2021 23: 08
      +1
      In Russia, everyone can see this!
      1. Financier
        Financier April 4 2021 13: 25
        +12
        In Russia, where I live, no one has been climbing trash heaps for a long time.
        1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
          Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 4 2021 14: 28
          -1
          Because you live in an imaginary Russia and in fact you wishful thinking)
        2. Financier
          Financier April 5 2021 23: 19
          +8
          Rita, you are a miracle! In a good way love
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 4 2021 15: 59
        +1
        Quote: Financier
        In Russia, where I live, no one has been climbing trash heaps for a long time.

        Many people throw away some items of Soviet life, replacing them with modern ones. I saw stacks of books myself from the balcony as they carried them. And other people took them away in five minutes, but there are amateurs who find and sell Soviet items like antiques.
        Often on TV there were references to this
  • Reptiloid
    Reptiloid April 4 2021 07: 30
    +4
    It seems to me, comrade Financier, that this is not Rita Aletdinova at all, but a writer who writes novels about the horrors of life with us.
    1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
      Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 4 2021 14: 28
      -1
      I write the truth)
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 4 2021 15: 37
        +1
        Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
        I write the truth)

        Glad to your comment, Guzel. I immediately guessed who you are! hi
      2. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid April 5 2021 02: 10
        +1
        YOU, Guzel, were probably surprised that it is not easy to write comments, but I would like to know about your future plans?
  • Artashes
    Artashes April 3 2021 11: 48
    0
    THE CURRENT RF AT TIME TO INVOLVE THE ART OF SOVIET DIPLOMACY OF THOSE YEARS - AT LEAST ON THE BALKANS. Very interesting and informative - thank you. Such successes (not only in the Balkans) of the late 40s - mid 50s were hushed up in the USSR since 1956 - for obvious reasons. The main thing is that EVEN THE SHADOW of Stalin's jacket irritated subsequent leaders and their propaganda. servants ...
    1. SANITAR LESA
      SANITAR LESA April 11 2021 14: 58
      0
      under the "genius leader" Russia was shattered into national republics after the signing of the union treaty in 1922, cutting into primordially Russian territories, what can only be remembered about the transfer of Vitebsk and the Cossack lands of the southern Urals and Siberia ... a complete failure of all Soviet diplomacy .... And they gave up the islands, and did not have a base, and Greece "threw" and Albania ..... and also Turkey, although at one time they gave Kars and Ararat ... They helped create Israel , and he "threw" ... and this awkward vote in the UN, after which the Korean War began ..
      diplomatic failures over a decade is a record ... well, and, like the icing on the cake, this is the flight of a high-ranking diplomat, UN Deputy Secretary General ... That was such a "wonderful" Soviet diplomacy
  • SANITAR LESA
    SANITAR LESA April 11 2021 14: 38
    0
    for guzel, folk wisdom, for centuries of living with the Turks:
    1.Chicken is not a bird - a Turk is not a man (Ukrainian proverb)
    2. Turk - the harbinger of the Antichrist (Folk proverb)
    3. If you want to conceive a child to a Turkish woman, end up on her slippers, the flies will finish the job (Folk proverb)
    4. An uninvited guest is like a Turk (Russian proverb)
    5.Turkey is a country of a small mind (Slovak proverb)
    6. Rather a chicken will take off than a Turk will learn to love (Arabic proverb)
    7. If you are dealing with a Turk, do not let go of the stick (Armenian proverb)
    8. If you want the Turks to obey you, hit him with a stick (Armenian proverb)
    9. The devil has many guises, the main of which is Turkic (Assyrian proverb)
    10. Where a Turk has set foot, grass does not grow (Bulgarian proverb)
    11. If a Turk talks about peace, then there will be war (Greek proverb)
    12. Bad life, that the neighborhood with a Turk (Kurdish proverb)
    13. People build, Turks demolish (Serbian proverb)
    14. The rooster will not lay eggs, and the Turks will not become human (Romanian proverb)
    1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
      Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 14 2021 03: 20
      0
      Proverbs invented by haters. There are many of the same about Russians.
    2. Rita Aletdinova 1999
      Rita Aletdinova 1999 April 14 2021 03: 22
      0
      But the fact that you brought this abomination here shows how stupid and uneducated you are.