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Foreign media: Macron intends to offer Ukraine to replace the Soviet MiG-29 with Rafale fighters

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Foreign media: Macron intends to offer Ukraine to replace the Soviet MiG-29 with Rafale fighters

In Ukraine, French President Emmanuel Macron is expected to visit Kiev. Among the topics that are planned to be discussed, as reported, there will be topics on the rearmament of the Ukrainian army. In particular, we are talking about Ukraine's attempts to update its aviation park with "its translation to NATO standards." In this regard, plans were previously voiced for "the purchase by 2035 of the American fifth-generation F-35 fighters." Such statements were made by the commanders of the Ukrainian Air Force.


Now materials appear in the foreign press claiming that Emmanuel Macron is going to offer Ukraine the purchase of French Rafale fighters. The Intelligence Online information resource came out with such an article.

From material in foreign media:

The possible sale of Rafale to Ukraine will be a priority in discussion during (Macron's) upcoming visit. The French President believes in Rafale's chances of winning the former stronghold of Soviet industry.

It is noted that France "is joining the race to replace Soviet MiG-29 fighters in the Ukrainian Air Force." Earlier it was reported that the Americans also offer their services for this kind of replacement. Their proposal is F / A-18 fighters.

Meanwhile, it is reminded that France is already supplying Kiev with aviation equipment. We are talking primarily about Airbus helicopters. At one time, a contract was signed for the supply of 55 such rotorcraft. Ukraine intends to use most of them in the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. This was also stated by the head of the department, Arsen Avakov.

In connection with statements about Macron's readiness to offer Ukraine his Rafali, the question arises about the possible cost of such fighters. For example, the French supply these aircraft to India at a price exceeding $ 200 million per unit. In India, such an ultra-high price is justified by the fact that it includes the training of pilots, technicians and the supply of weapons for French-made aircraft.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 28 March 2021 09: 49
    +22
    Hindus cannot draw out a contract on "Raphael ... how can Ukrainians do this, who have only debts in their budget ???
    Macaron apparently received a globe of Ukraine as a gift and was at a loss! belay
    1. lucul
      lucul 28 March 2021 09: 52
      +22
      Macaron apparently received a globe of Ukraine as a gift and was at a loss!

      No, no, no, I support Macron's decision - so they grunted faster)))
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 28 March 2021 10: 23
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        Macaron apparently received a globe of Ukraine as a gift and was at a loss!

        No, no, no, I support Macron's decision - so they grunted faster)))

        Well, if we proceed from this condition, then let the Ukrainians buy F35. After all, they recently orgasmed about the possible receipt of these litaks. yes
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 28 March 2021 10: 49
          +4
          I don’t want to take the planes, but not a single one offered to supply the vaccine on credit, but here we are.
          1. sabakina
            sabakina 28 March 2021 12: 33
            +2
            Quote: NIKNN
            I don’t want to take the planes, but not a single one offered to supply the vaccine on credit, but here we are.

            Nikolay, so cattle vaccine, though it is not against a virus, but against parasites. wink
            1. NIKN
              NIKN 28 March 2021 14: 41
              0
              Quote: sabakina
              it is not from a virus, but from parasites.

              Dust? wink
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov 28 March 2021 13: 00
          +2
          Velikoukry dream: "Maybe a loan? Or will he give him? Or maybe offer him a payback with Motor Sich shares? And then ..." lol lol
      2. figwam
        figwam 28 March 2021 10: 59
        +1
        How can I not recall the old joke

        - Vodka has risen in price, son.
        - Dad, will you drink less now?
        - No, son, you will eat less now.
      3. venik
        venik 28 March 2021 12: 02
        0
        Quote: lucul
        No, no, no, I support Macron's decision - so they grunted faster)))

        =========
        good "..If you want to ruin a small and poor country - give it a battleship!... "(Sir W. Churchill) drinks
    2. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 28 March 2021 09: 52
      +18
      "The French President believes in the chances of Rafale winning in the former stronghold of Soviet industry." Precisely that former stronghold. The most interesting thing is that Macron believes that velikoukry will buy their planes, and those believe that they will be given planes. Not a big difference.
      1. Olddetractor
        Olddetractor 28 March 2021 10: 00
        0
        and this difference will be shared, albeit small but its own
      2. frruc
        frruc 28 March 2021 10: 26
        -1
        It is noted that France "is joining the race to replace Soviet MiG-29 fighters in the Ukrainian Air Force." Earlier it was reported that the Americans also offer their services for this kind of replacement. Their proposal is F / A-18 fighters.

        oleg-gr (Oleg)
        The most interesting thing is that Macron believes that velikoukry will buy their planes, and those believe that they will be given planes.

        They will not be given anything and Macron has nothing to hope for, the CIA and the Pentagon rule there. Therefore, possible contracts will be with McDonnell Douglas (USA). And what will the velikoukry pay for the supply of equipment, components, service, weapons, training, etc. we'll see, perhaps on credit.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 28 March 2021 12: 36
          0
          frruc (Vasily)
          Today, 10:26 Do you think that the F-35 is still shining with a forelock? recourse
          1. frruc
            frruc 28 March 2021 16: 37
            0
            Probably F / A-18.
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 28 March 2021 14: 25
          0
          What's in profile, what's in front, for Ukraine it will be a heavy yoke ... and that's good
      3. Prisoner
        Prisoner 28 March 2021 11: 12
        0
        Such believers, on the one hand, on the other. laughing Already breaks a tear. That Zelensky, that Macron of the same kind are figures "with an extraordinary ease of thought." Macron was lucky that he got the state, and Zelensky was put on a sovereign with unbalanced management. There is only a difference.
      4. bayard
        bayard 28 March 2021 17: 00
        0
        Quote: oleg-gr
        "The French President believes in the chances of Rafale winning in the former stronghold of Soviet industry."

        Only if on credit, and on credit - to understand and forgive.
    3. Clear
      Clear 28 March 2021 09: 57
      +6
      Macron intends to offer Ukraine to replace the Soviet MiG-29 with Rafale fighters
      Offer Ukraine buy, otherwise replace ...
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 28 March 2021 10: 00
        -2
        America them F35, France Rafali, soon Kuban will go to select.
        1. Clear
          Clear 28 March 2021 10: 04
          +7
          Quote: Pessimist22
          America im F35, France Rafali, soon Kuban take away will go.

          Igor, they have promised so many planes, but will they go on foot? belay
          1. bayard
            bayard 28 March 2021 17: 30
            +1
            They will go by sea - on rafts. bully
            1. Clear
              Clear 29 March 2021 10: 05
              +5
              Quote: bayard
              They will go by sea - on rafts. bully

              Well that's a different matter lol Romance

        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 28 March 2021 10: 33
          0
          Quote: Pessimist22
          America im F35, France Rafali,

          Ukrohunta, in her desires, is torn to shreds, but there are only enough babos for two balloons (zhovtenky and blakitnky).
          The Ukrainian Air Force is considering the purchase of the Brazilian piston attack aircraft EMB-314 Super Tucano.
          https://www.mk.ru/politics/2019/08/06/ukraina-reshila-zakupit-brazilskie-shturmoviki-dlya-voyny-v-donbasse.html
      2. YOUR
        YOUR 28 March 2021 10: 01
        +1
        To buy you need money, which is not available in / in Ukraine. There are debts, no money.
        1. Clear
          Clear 28 March 2021 10: 06
          +5
          Quote: YOUR
          To buy you need money, which is not available in / in Ukraine. There are debts, no money.

          For the purchase of their goods, they willingly give loans (at considerable interest) yes
        2. frruc
          frruc 28 March 2021 10: 32
          0
          They will sell it on credit for 30-40 years and pay interest. Isn't it bondage (economic, political)?
        3. grandfather_Kostya
          grandfather_Kostya 28 March 2021 15: 52
          0
          The article lists the queue of those wishing to donate their letaki for free. Ukraine is in heavy meditation - how not to overpay?
      3. Prisoner
        Prisoner 28 March 2021 11: 13
        -1
        No, he acted slyly by offering to REPLACE. From "buy" the neighbors will flare up like vampires from sunlight. hi
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 28 March 2021 14: 26
          0
          well ... especially if there will be a service and supply contract for double the price ...
    4. Olgovich
      Olgovich 28 March 2021 10: 01
      -4
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Hindus cannot draw out a contract on "Raphael ... how can Ukrainians do this, who have only debts in their budget ???

      the method has long been known:

      "Son, it's not me who will drink less, it will be you eat less"
      -from the drunkard's response to an increase in alcohol.

      And here it will be the same
    5. Insurgent
      Insurgent 28 March 2021 10: 14
      +8
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Macaron apparently received a globe of Ukraine as a gift and was at a loss!

      I was just stunned by the perspectives I saw yes laughing
    6. iouris
      iouris 28 March 2021 11: 43
      +2
      Quote: Hunter 2
      how to do it for Ukrainians who have only debts in the budget ???

      And what about the money from the sale of Motor Sich to the Chinese?
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 28 March 2021 14: 26
        -1
        which has already been nationalized in Kiev?
    7. alexniko77
      alexniko77 29 March 2021 09: 58
      0
      F-35, Rafale, Gripen, An-2, Zhmeryn brooms ...
    8. Eug
      Eug 29 March 2021 13: 36
      0
      It is elementary to take a loan at an increased percentage in France for the purchase of Rafales, by hanging another weight on the country's budget, to get a kickback from the French side and in a few years to leave Ukraine.
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 28 March 2021 09: 55
    +4
    Does Macron know that non-brothers can only borrow Rafali?
    1. Nikolay Ivanov_5
      Nikolay Ivanov_5 28 March 2021 10: 00
      +3
      It means free of charge, since Ukraine with such a course as now will always be insolvent.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 28 March 2021 10: 16
      +5
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Does Macron know that non-brothers can only borrow Rafali?

      "Debt without return" is called somehow differently what And I wonder, in general, is there a definition for this in French?
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 28 March 2021 13: 36
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        "Debt without return" is called somehow differently And I wonder, in general, is there a definition for this in French?

        In the old days there was a law: did not pay off debts on time - real estate was written off to the treasury, and people to slaves. Maybe Macron is counting on this. request
    3. Volper
      Volper 28 March 2021 16: 11
      0
      Better not to speak for now. Then the movie will be more interesting laughing
  3. Nikolay Ivanov_5
    Nikolay Ivanov_5 28 March 2021 09: 55
    +3
    And Macron thinks on what Ukraine will buy and maintain Rafale fighters ???
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 28 March 2021 09: 56
    +1
    Foreign media: Macron intends to offer Ukraine to replace the Soviet MiG-29 with Rafale fighters
    ... It seems to me or Macron is not climbing into his "garden"?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 28 March 2021 10: 18
      +3
      Pryuvet Vitya! It seems. It's just that everyone wants to cut (the sawmill workers are their mother). Macron has his own budget, Zelensky his ... The result is a classic ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 March 2021 10: 36
        +2
        Hi soldier
        This is a delicious phrase "military budget" !!!
        Yes, for the sake of access to it, "people" do anything!
        Nothing new, in general .. that's just how a big uncle from behind an okey will look at competitors, even "his own" ... is that a question?
  5. knn54
    knn54 28 March 2021 09: 58
    +1
    -replace the Soviet MiG-29
    And how much will the French take MiGs for?
  6. Popandos
    Popandos 28 March 2021 10: 03
    0
    I think it is necessary to take it, the paddling pool will probably give a loan for this (you have to support your own business), but the descendants will still pay off. And there, you see, we will stir up a new Maidan, and we will not give up the loot, and we will have airplanes.
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  7. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O 28 March 2021 10: 12
    -8
    I hope the money is not hate, otherwise we will have to strike a preemptive strike before deliveries
    1. kot423
      kot423 28 March 2021 10: 28
      0
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      we will have to strike a preemptive strike before deliveries

      You? The toad presses that the Banderlog changed their minds to take Fu 35?
    2. Popandos
      Popandos 28 March 2021 10: 29
      -1
      I don't think it will be necessary, hitting 404 airplanes will quickly lose their ability to fly. Yes, and the warriors from not brothers are still, so on occasion there will be decent trophies
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O 28 March 2021 10: 38
        -8
        Rafal itself is a dangerous plane, and Ukrainians are far from Indians
        1. Popandos
          Popandos 28 March 2021 11: 27
          +1
          Ukrainians are far from Hindus

          I agree, in case of a mess, they will quickly calculate their benefits and run away, I think there are few people who will fight for the current Ukrainian idea. For the rest, the war is not beneficial to the current campaigners of the 404th.
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 28 March 2021 12: 48
          0
          Quote: Holuay T.O.
          Rafal itself is a dangerous plane, and Ukrainians are far from Indians

          You have such a deep thought that even I, after half a liter, could not sink to the bottom of your glass!
    3. sabakina
      sabakina 28 March 2021 12: 54
      0
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      I hope the money is not hate, otherwise we will have to strike a preemptive strike before deliveries

      So I sit and think .... Do you have skis on the asphalt again? recourse
  8. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 March 2021 10: 15
    +2
    Macron collapsed from the oak and hurt his head. Well, where did the Banderlog money come from, especially with the Ragul mentality and the killed economy. Parisian clown, this is far from de Gaulle.
    1. xorek
      xorek 28 March 2021 10: 38
      -4
      Quote: Ros 56
      Macron collapsed from the oak and hurt his head. Well, where did the Banderlog money come from, especially with the Ragul mentality and the killed economy. Parisian clown, this is far from de Gaulle.

      Two clowns will find a common language .. The main thing is to put it and let them stand))))
  9. ksv36
    ksv36 28 March 2021 10: 15
    +3
    Give each svidomo on rafaelke !!! wassat laughing
    1. Gato
      Gato 28 March 2021 11: 05
      0
      When Rafal falls, it explodes much more interesting than a drunken grenade.
  10. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 28 March 2021 10: 31
    0
    Macron intends to offer Ukraine to replace the Soviet MiG-29 with Rafale fighters


    And the gerontophile is still that hustler))
  11. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 March 2021 10: 35
    0
    Now materials appear in the foreign press claiming that Emmanuel Macron is going to offer Ukraine the purchase of French Rafale fighters.
    Damn, the unnecessary has two companies of admirals. True without хlot, but it doesn't matter. Now the Nazis need to find the same number of air marshals. laughing "Where is the money, Zin!"
  12. xorek
    xorek 28 March 2021 10: 36
    -2
    Late Macron, the great outskirts of the F-35, will purchase the decommissioned .. wassat
  13. akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 28 March 2021 10: 43
    +2
    That's right, give Rafali to the Banderzians! And don't forget your aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle! So that the Sumerians even run out of money for bananas!
    laughing laughing laughing !
  14. No name B
    No name B 28 March 2021 10: 57
    0
    Why wouldn't Russia help Ukraine ... With the acquisition of these devices - Raphael and F-35? Well, there through Medvedchuk or the like? So it is clear that after a while all technological secrets will still end up in the hands of the Russians, through their agents of influence. And so is Ukraine with another yoke around its neck and for Russia the benefits of studying the latest technologies of the West ...
    1. Volper
      Volper 28 March 2021 16: 19
      +1
      Zelensky, pereloginsya! laughing
  15. Fitter65
    Fitter65 28 March 2021 10: 58
    0
    materials appear in the foreign press claiming that Emmanuel Macron is going to offer Ukraine the purchase of French Rafale fighters
    The fact that he is a man with not a normal sex orientation, I heard, well, he still has an old woman, 20 years older than him, he is tinkering, but about the fact that he does not have the brains to sell expensive things to those who have not a penny, never heard.
  16. Klingon
    Klingon 28 March 2021 11: 28
    +1
    hmm .. the Brahmans will have more money than in Yokhlyandiya and they cannot afford expensive French toys. and these? Yohlam at the time only turboprop Super-Pukano to purchase wassat
  17. Xlor
    Xlor 28 March 2021 11: 34
    +3
    For France, the offer is good.
    Let the kakela get out their leaky wallets ...
  18. Pavel57
    Pavel57 28 March 2021 12: 03
    0
    The proposal is absurd, but therefore serious to implement. All parties will earn
  19. svp67
    svp67 28 March 2021 12: 16
    0
    What "Rafali"? Maximum decommissioned "Mirages" ...
  20. Graz
    Graz 28 March 2021 12: 50
    0
    Ukraine only has enough dough for some old mirages
  21. Gregory Charnota
    Gregory Charnota 28 March 2021 13: 02
    0
    it will take an arshin to sew them! where is the money Zin ??
  22. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 28 March 2021 13: 10
    +1
    I just want to see the face of "macaroni" when he agrees - they will put 20 litaks in Ukraine - the second Storage will throw the first France for them - they drag "macaroni" for a forelock for damages to court and give the same 20, but already "sit to think"
  23. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 28 March 2021 13: 33
    0
    No, well, if "on the ball", then Banderasty will even take "devuatin" of the WWII times)))) and if for money, then Macaron still does not understand where he got to)))
  24. iouris
    iouris 28 March 2021 13: 51
    0
    Zelya urged his people to prepare for a guerrilla war. Question: why the heck are the Rafali partisans? They eat so much gasoline ...
  25. spectr
    spectr 28 March 2021 14: 02
    0
    Cool. The United States is ready to give way to Germany on Nord Stream-2, if it guarantees additional cash infusions into Ukraine, and Macron seems to have immediately decided to hurry up in order to turn part of the money back to Europe.
  26. Alexilyin
    Alexilyin 28 March 2021 14: 15
    0
    In India, such an ultra-high price is justified by the fact that it includes the training of pilots, technicians and the supply of weapons for French-made aircraft.
    Ukrainians do not care, they already know how and have everything))). The main thing is that it would be and it is desirable for free.
  27. NF68
    NF68 28 March 2021 15: 52
    0
    This Macron just blurted out without thinking. I can't believe that he is ready to give them these Rafali, otherwise the horses do not expect to receive them.
  28. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 28 March 2021 18: 22
    +1
    The French have experience selling their junk to the underdeveloped at triple the price.
    1. Magog_
      Magog_ 28 March 2021 18: 36
      -1
      As I understand it, "Mistrals" are also included in the list of "junk" ... Or can we write off this misunderstanding on the infallible president? love
  29. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 28 March 2021 18: 43
    0
    Mikron hopes that these "non-mammoths" will buy air traffic from him at the price of an aircraft carrier? laughing
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 28 March 2021 19: 15
      0
      Well, it's like with India: we take an old plane, worth 30 million, sell it for 90, of which 30 are kickbacks to both sides. Ukraine is a copy of India in terms of procurement: they buy from the one who will kick back.
  30. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 28 March 2021 22: 38
    0
    That is not) ... The number will not work. The owner has other plans there. I think at best F16 last blocks
  31. Mikhail Malakhov_2
    Mikhail Malakhov_2 29 March 2021 08: 04
    -1
    There is nothing to be surprised at.
    Crimeanash but
  32. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 March 2021 08: 45
    0
    It is noted that France "is joining the race to replace Soviet MiG-29 fighters in the Ukrainian Air Force." Earlier it was reported that the Americans also offer their services for this kind of replacement. Their proposal is F / A-18 fighters.


    1. No money
    2. The US Embassy is in charge, who will buy the Rafale?
    3. Why do they need an F-18 when everyone around them buys a used F-16
    4. The most realistic option is to buy Polish F-16s, when they will be replaced by F-35
  33. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 29 March 2021 09: 57
    0
    Well, finally, the forelock will understand that you need to pay for everything and not wait for freebies from the "brothers" Although, with their financial capabilities, they can only pay with land.
  34. DV tam 25
    DV tam 25 29 March 2021 13: 20
    +2
    Be sure to take it! Required. This is the only way Ukraine will win "Russian aggression"! Plus leopards and strikers and the "great army of Ukraine" will save the world from Putin! Support Ukrainians and sell everything and buy this miracle weapon - Ukraine will win!
    And there will be no Ukraine. Everyone is happy, only Baiden is crying. From the wind.
  35. ACCUSED
    ACCUSED April 6 2021 21: 28
    0
    Will come to the outskirts, and who will pay for Rafali?