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"They are expensive to use even for the United States": in Poland, they argue over the contract for the F-35 fighters

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The Polish media are discussing an order for the purchase of fifth-generation F-35 fighters from the United States. According to a previously signed contract, Poland is to receive the first six such fighters in 2024-2025. In total, Warsaw plans to purchase 32 F-35A aircraft for its Air Force until 2030. The deal is valued at $ 4,6 billion plus VAT. Poland has reportedly already paid a first installment of approximately $ 480 million to the manufacturer of these fighters.


At the same time, in Poland itself, this kind of contract is treated differently. Disputes arise. Some experts believe that the acquisition of the F-35 will bring the Polish Air Force to a qualitatively new level, while others express a critical opinion.

In particular, it is noted that Poland orders F-35A fighters at a time when the program in the United States itself is undergoing the greatest criticism for the entire period of its implementation. It is recalled that these aircraft are expensive to use even for the United States itself. So, the cost of an hour of flight on a fighter is estimated at 36 thousand dollars.

At the same time, the Polish observer Zbigniew Lentovich urges not to dramatize, noting the following:

The question remains of the F-35's horrendous operating costs, which far exceed the funds required to service older aircraft types. But the company guarantees that it is making efforts to reduce the cost of manufacturing the F-35, as well as to improve the reliability of new machines. The company says that the level of combat readiness of the F-35 is currently on the rise. It is over 70 percent.

Not everyone agrees with Lentovich. In particular, it is indicated that the Americans did not solve the problem of ensuring the stable operation of the oxygen supply system, due to which a Japanese pilot died at one time.

A few comments in the Rzeczpospolita edition, which show the diametrically opposite attitude towards the aircraft and the deal:

Yaro S:

$ 35 per hour of flight, it also doesn't shoot straight and causes cracks, engine and software problems ...

Roman Kostiuczuk:

Let (President) Duda pay for this "Fu" from his pension.

Daniel Musianek:

All countries that have already bought F-35s want to buy even more of them, including Israel, which used them in the fighting. That's enough for me. This is better than any recommendation. Especially against the backdrop of an anonymous "series of critical publications in the US media", which, as usual, may be sponsored by competitors and which, I see, pretend not to understand that aircraft have changed since World War II, and their main feature no longer in their ability to "air combat" at short distances, but in the ability to detect the enemy and destroy him before the enemy sees your aircraft.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 28 March 2021 08: 41
    +5
    The US military-industrial complex is penetrating deeper and deeper into the budget of Poland ... there may come a time when the Poles' wallet can leak from exorbitant military spending. The Poles will have to pay for the wishes of American generals for the maintenance of military bases. At the same time, Poland will in no way increase its security in the event of a conflict with its eastern neighbor. Poland risks disappearing from the map of Europe once again due to the unreasonable policy of its politicians.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 28 March 2021 08: 45
      -5
      I agree. Poland is not such an Emirates and Switzerland to operate such expensive equipment. And what are 32 planes? With the right preemptive strike, half of them will be destroyed. And the rest of them to try to repel the blows of the aggressor?
    2. figwam
      figwam 28 March 2021 09: 05
      +1
      The company says that the level of combat readiness of the F-35 is currently on the rise. It is over 70 percent.

      The company says!))) But the company does not say that the number of non-combat-ready aircraft is increasing every year due to engine failure, by 2025 there will be only 20% of them in engines, and this again requires a lot of money.
    3. Terenin
      Terenin 28 March 2021 09: 19
      +6
      "They are expensive to use even for the United States": in Poland, they argue over the contract for the F-35 fighters
      USA-Poland: Leave conversations in the ranks (NATO), otherwise I will punish am
      1. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 28 March 2021 10: 05
        +1
        "So, the cost of an hour of flight on a fighter is estimated at 36 thousand dollars." For pshek, these are such trifles. Compared to demonstrating loyalty to the owner behind a large puddle.
      2. frruc
        frruc 28 March 2021 10: 38
        +2
        "They are expensive to use, even for the United States."

        Poland can handle everything, apples will pay off the United States.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 28 March 2021 10: 49
          +3
          Quote: frruc
          "They are expensive to use, even for the United States."

          Poland can handle everything, apples will pay off the United States.

          But what about their "Pole, eat an apple to spite Putin", the fantasy ended?
    4. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 28 March 2021 09: 41
      +9
      After the first purchases of the F-35 by US satellites, three years ago I wrote my thoughts here on the website. Not everyone agreed with me then. And now the countries themselves are making similar statements.

      I am glad that more and more NATO countries and their allies are signing contracts for the purchase of aircraft.
      We will omit the technical problems, we will omit the need for such an aircraft in the troops. Although partly the question is also about profitability.
      And I am glad because the F-35 is a vacuum cleaner for the military budgets of NATO countries and their allies.
      As you know, the average flight time per year is 300 hours in NATO countries and their allies. It gradually decreased from 420 to 200. There were several articles on this subject. In general, an AS pilot or sniper should have a flying time of up to 1000 hours at the end of the service. There have also been articles on this subject.
      And now we consider, for an hour of flight:
      F-16 - $ 22500 / hour
      F-18 - $ 24400 / hour
      F-22 - $ 68300 / hour
      F-35:
      in 2013 $ 24000 / hour,
      in 2016 $ 31000 / hour,
      in 2017 $ 45000 / hour,
      in 2018 $ 50000 / hour.
      In other words, they had a decline from the 80s to 2000 from 420 to 200 hours a year. The decrease is due to the lack of tasks and the high cost of maintenance, and small military budgets. And this at a cost in the USA of $ 22500 / hour for F-16, F-18 aircraft, in Europe I think cheaper, due to lower fuel costs and salaries.
      And now they are buying F-35 aircraft, all this for 5 years, that is, over the years huge sums have already been allocated from military budgets. Now, pilots on each should fly an average of 300 hours a year.
      For example, a NATO country purchased 100 F-35 units. We multiply this by the number of pilots, it is quite possible that not one, but 2-3 pilots are assigned to each machine, and it will be so, since there are many pilots, and there are not enough planes, we multiply by the average number of hours and the cost of an hour.
      So count: 100 F-35 units x 2 pilots x 300 hours x $ 50000 / hour = $ 3 Perhaps in Europe the cost of an hour will be cheaper. Of course, even if the number of planes is slightly less, there are only one pilots, not two or three, and perhaps not 000 hours, but 000 hours, and the cost is not $ 000 / hour.
      All the same, a year 2-3 billion. $ Only for these aircraft and only the costs of the Air Force. And then there are other fighters, tankers, attack aircraft, bombers, AWACS, transport aircraft. I am still silent about other types of troops. All in all, the F-35 is a vacuum cleaner for the military budgets of NATO countries and their allies.
    5. Kaman
      Kaman 29 March 2021 09: 27
      0
      Lyokha, what a sincere and sincere concern for the Polish budget? Why don't you worry about the Turkish budget? After all, they paid a lot of money for the S-400
    6. Mini Mokik
      Mini Mokik 29 March 2021 14: 01
      0
      "All countries that have already bought F-35s want to buy even more, including Israel, which used them in the fighting. That's enough for me."

      But this cupcake - Daniel Musianek - forgets that Israel's military budget is almost entirely sponsored by the United States. And the Poles will pay taxes to the military budget out of their own pockets.
  2. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 28 March 2021 08: 44
    +6
    Take the Poles you will not be mistaken fki what you need! And most importantly, they will weaken your economy and reduce the Russophobic geopolitical fervor. As the saying goes: "If you want to ruin a small country, give it an aircraft carrier", by the way, it is a good idea, let the Poles ask their Anglo-Saxon gentlemen for an aircraft carrier, for the Baltic it is just that.
  3. Prisoner
    Prisoner 28 March 2021 08: 46
    +4
    "... But the company guarantees that it is making efforts to reduce production costs of the F-35, as well as to improve the reliability of new vehicles. The company says that the F-35's combat readiness level is currently increasing. It is over 70 percent." .." (with) what If the company says 70%, then in reality it is probably 30-40 percent. Buy panova, buy. Do not throw it away?
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 28 March 2021 08: 49
    +1
    Nothing, take Poles F-35, you will not regret it. This is an investment, there will be no money, sell ........ maybe. fellow laughing
    1. Fedor Sokolov
      Fedor Sokolov 28 March 2021 09: 11
      +1
      Khokhlam and even more expensive, Poles do not lose!
  5. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O 28 March 2021 08: 51
    -15%
    For Japan, South Korea, the Netherlands, England, Norway just right. Everyone will be thrown in the air
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 28 March 2021 09: 02
      +4
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      Everyone will be thrown in the air

      No matter how they themselves are overwhelmed.
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O 28 March 2021 09: 07
        -12%
        Do you yourself believe what you write? It's like putting Shoigu in a UAZ, but he drives a Mercedes
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 28 March 2021 09: 43
          +2
          Quote: Holuay T.O.
          It's like putting Shoigu in a UAZ, but he drives a Mercedes

          Shoigu riding a UAZ? belay It's a pity that the Lord did not give me the ability to draw caricatures ... laughing
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 28 March 2021 11: 36
      0
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      For Japan, South Korea, the Netherlands, England, Norway just right. Everyone will be thrown in the air

      Said it suddenly and bluntly. A real expert. Delighted. I envy))))))))
  6. Piramidon
    Piramidon 28 March 2021 09: 00
    +3
    the cost of an hour of flight on a fighter is estimated at 36 thousand dollars

    As the saying goes - "If you want to ruin a small country - give it a cruiser."
  7. knn54
    knn54 28 March 2021 09: 03
    +1
    That F-35, that their vaccine against coronavirus, let OTHERS test.
    They also take money for this.
  8. Konstantin Gogolev
    Konstantin Gogolev 28 March 2021 09: 07
    +6
    How else would the Tribalts persuade them to take a dozen things.
  9. bar
    bar 28 March 2021 09: 15
    +2
    Warsaw plans to purchase 32 F-35A aircraft for its Air Force until 2030. The deal is estimated at $ 4,6 billion plus VAT

    Normal deal. It will help the striped ones to dispose of three dozen useless penguins, hanging the costs of the proud dogs. laughing
  10. Cowbra
    Cowbra 28 March 2021 09: 16
    0
    By the way, is it possible to listen to the head of the transport department? Sorry, I don't remember those who are on the site here - at work. He also has a six-pointed star on the ava ... There he said that someone is better than someone ... Ah, the orderlies took him away ... What a ... It's a pity. Although, if the window in the ward is not closed, probably the marriage cry of this organism will reach ... Something
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 28 March 2021 09: 52
      +1
      Quote: Cowbra
      By the way, is it possible to listen to the head of the transport department?
      It is impossible, because he is looking for a coupler Kruglo, drivers Larionov and Kutko in the finished product shop. wink
  11. Alien From
    Alien From 28 March 2021 09: 28
    +3
    Yes, bye, they will pull! The toilets will shine even more))
  12. lucul
    lucul 28 March 2021 09: 34
    -4
    All countries that have already bought the F-35 want to buy even more of them, including Israel, who used them in combat. That's enough for me. This is better than any recommendation.

    Hmm ... the faith of the chosen ones, in their God-chosenness, surpasses even Islamic fanaticism, they at least sometimes include their heads)))
  13. Evil 55
    Evil 55 28 March 2021 09: 37
    +2
    "the level of combat readiness of the F-35 is over 70 percent."
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 28 March 2021 09: 51
    +2
    "They are expensive to use even for the United States": in Poland, they argue over the contract for the F-35 fighters
    ... Oh really? Tsits, to all objections, this is "the wings of freedom, dermocracy" !!!
    1. Magog_
      Magog_ 28 March 2021 18: 55
      +1
      Well this is "wings of freedom, dermocracy" !!!
      After all, the Americans are ahead of the rest of the world in this: they have failed the "fifth generation" program, and now the entire world under control is paying for it!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 28 March 2021 19: 42
        0
        So many times I have already had to praise them ... they know how, they know how to blame their problems on others. Soon a new wave will go, there are six tricks, bucks ... and all this will fall on the "allies", for sure, because they are not allies, everyone prepared and bristled, like an adult !!!
        Boom to see.
  15. aszzz888
    aszzz888 28 March 2021 10: 28
    -1
    Daniel Musianek:

    All countries that have already bought F-35s want to buy even more of them, including Israel, which used them in the fighting.
    I forgot to add that the Israilev pilots use the neighboring state for this, and without entering the air defense zone. Jackal! pi.si. the adept is on the way.
  16. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 28 March 2021 10: 54
    -1
    In my opinion, the problem is easy to separate.

    An hour of flight of the F-16 costs almost the same as an hour of flight of the F-35, and nothing, no one panics.

    Poland has 48 F-16s, and I think 32 F-35s will also be able to master it.
  17. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 28 March 2021 11: 26
    0
    "oxygen supply, due to which a Japanese pilot died at one time." ////
    ----
    The pilot died during a sharp dive, from which he could not get out.
    Aircraft flying relatively low were instructed to change altitudes
    flight after exercise (change corridor).
    And this pilot did it abruptly: he let the plane go into a dive. And he lost consciousness at that moment.
  18. iouris
    iouris 28 March 2021 13: 53
    +1
    For the United States it is expensive, but for Poland and Ukraine - the very thing!
  19. This is the main
    This is the main 28 March 2021 15: 28
    0
    It is good that the fu35 will be brought to Poland, it is easier to set up the equipment and train the air defense systems of our aircraft. Less time and cost, and free training for every takeoff.
  20. vvp2412
    vvp2412 28 March 2021 20: 48
    +1
    Daniel Musianek:

    All countries that have already bought F-35s want to buy even more of them, including Israel, which used them in the fighting. That's enough for me. This is better than any recommendation.

    Stupid are the same everywhere ... They do not even want to think about the fact that Israel buys weapons from the United States with the money that the United States gives them irrevocably, i.e. for nothing. Through various assistance programs! I, too, with such help could buy weapons from the United States! :)
  21. Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok April 6 2021 11: 10
    0
    Several comments in the Rzeczpospolita edition, which show the diametrically opposite attitude towards the aircraft and the deal. "

    - comments to retell it is generally adorable. And, the fact that reliability is increasing, the cost of both the aircraft itself and the cost of a flight hour is decreasing is a fact. Plus something else. that there are no alternatives to the F-35 as a mass stealth aircraft with the best avionics on the market and is not foreseen.