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Are Russian weapons so paper-based?

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Przemyslaw Zemansky from the Polish (understandable by name) edition "Politics" expressed a very interesting and reasoned opinion.


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“Russia regularly announces to the world about the creation of a new, unparalleled weapons... But does it really exist? Moscow uses such stories to scare the world and convince Russians of the strength of their country. "

Let's try to agree or object to the Polish observer, especially since not only Russia is doing this. Absolutely everyone who can afford it does this. I am sure that if the Poles had even the slightest opportunity to frighten Russia with some miracle-fool, the Polish media would have fanned hysteria to the fullest.

Let's go through the reasoning of Pan Zeman, his words will be given in italics, but the opinion of the Russian side in regular script.

“The Russian military-industrial complex every year surprises the world with projects of the next revolutionary and unparalleled in the world models of superweapons. The only question is whether they exist. "

Let's be serious and objective, okay? And to begin with, the Russian military-industrial complex is one thing, while Russian politicians and the media are another. And these are two completely different differences, moreover, those "wunderwaffe" that our media bake like pies without anything, sometimes have nothing to do with the real affairs taking place in the depths of our military-industrial complex.

But alas, this is a modern Russian reality and there is no getting away from it.

# 1. "Poseidon"


“Of all the projects of the Russian military-industrial complex, the program“ Poseidon ”evokes the most emotions. The foreign press dubbed it the "doomsday torpedo." This is not surprising, because a nuclear warhead with a capacity of 2 to 100 megatons acts as a striking element.

Poseidon resembles a huge torpedo (its length is 24 meters), however, it would be more accurate to call it an autonomous underwater drone, powered by a nuclear installation. It is designed to defeat aircraft carrier groups and coastal fortifications. A warhead of such power allows the Russians to frighten not only by directly undermining the target, but also by the further consequences of the tsunami that will arise as a result of it.

The biggest concerns, primarily in the United States, are not even the power of the warhead, but the declared parameters of the drone itself: an almost unlimited range, a speed of 200 kilometers per hour, and a diving depth exceeding 1 meters. All in all, this means that it will be incredibly difficult to destroy.

The public learned about the Poseidon project more than five years ago: first there was a controlled leak of information, and then an official statement appeared. It is still a question of whether a prototype exists, but Russian sources assure that 2027 such devices will enter service by about 32. More is known about the potential carriers of the Poseidon, that is, the nuclear submarines Belgorod and Khabarovsk. The first one has been under construction since 1992 (!), Now it is undergoing tests at sea, in turn, work on the creation of the second began six years ago, but its launch is constantly being postponed. "


Many words, I beg your pardon. But they perfectly show what is really happening in the heads and brains (these are two different things, believe me) in the West.

Yes in stories with "Poseidon" a lot is still unclear and incomprehensible, but here it is worth recognizing that Pan Zeman is right. Well, there was a leak of information in a very timely manner, too clumsy our respective responsible persons tried to tell that “everything is not so simple”, this gave rise to too many questions.

Well, our responsible persons painted too colorfully what a terrible machine of death was invented in Russia.

True, talking about the terrible radioactive tsunami that will cover the United States, there were very few people who wanted to talk about how the Poseidons would end up at point "X" in order to generate it.

Yes, 2027 devices were promised by 32. By that time, perhaps at least one of the carriers of these underwater drones will be ready, which will begin to deliver them to the conditional boundaries of a non-conditional attack - it will be interesting.

The situation with "Belgorod" and "Khabarovsk", we admit, is so-so. And Zemansky painted everything clearly and objectively. One boat will not be finished in any way, the second (more precisely, the first) is generally long-term construction with a thirty-year history.

And the fact that the West is rather skeptical about the whole Poseidon venture ”is normal. There are too many things in history that cause either surprise or bewilderment. But we will not rush to final conclusions, leaving them at the end of the story.

As a preliminary summary, it is worth noting that even if Poseidon is a fiction (which may well happen), it is a very successful fiction. At the level of the American SDI program, which at one time cost the USSR a lot of nerves and dollars.

Moving on.

# 2. Aircraft carriers


Having quite rightly reminded who we have is the king of floating airfields, Zemansky recalls, let's say, not the most successful attempt to use the only Russian aircraft carrier ship off the coast of Syria. Yes, I have to agree, it turned out to be so-so. Rather than a sign of presence, rather than actually inflicting damage on the militants, since a fighter with a half combat load is not like a ground-based fighter-bomber, hung to the maximum.

“However, if we talk about projects that are at the conceptual stage, then the Russian design bureaus can be called the most prolific in the world. In terms of an innovative approach, the project of the Krylov State Scientific Center stands out, which believes that the future Russian aircraft carrier should be a catamaran, that is, it should have two hulls connected to each other. "

Yes, there was a case. A model was shown at ARMY-2018. But, in the words of the immortal Mikhail Bulgakov, “one can not believe everything”?

The fact that somewhere a group of enthusiasts (In the Krylov State Scientific Center) drew a plan and made a model of an aircraft carrier with a "semi-catamaran" hull based on it - this does not mean anything at all.

Shown at the exhibition as a concept. Licked / discussed. Further? Nothing further, since the ship of the Krylov State Research Center was planned to be created not with nuclear, but with conventional engines. The power of the power plant was supposed to be 80MW.

The fact that Russia now has a huge problem with power plants for large ships and ships, I am sure, is not worth talking about. And on this it is quite possible to end the story and discussion of the Russian aircraft carrier on a conventional thrust.

Actually, our projects of nuclear aircraft carriers should not be considered seriously. "Storm", "Manatee" are projects, nothing more. These are words. And the implementation of these projects so that the fairy tale comes true will take at least 10-12 years. That is, in fact, it is worth recognizing that in the construction of aircraft-carrying ships, we have lagged behind the United States forever.

If you objectively look at us, it took 6 years to build a large landing craft with a displacement of 000 tons. How long will it really take for such a whopper as an aircraft carrier?

No. 3. Fighter-interceptor MiG-41


Here, Pan Zemansky does not look very good.

“The MiG-41 is a Russian interceptor fighter being developed as part of the PAK DP program (promising aviation long-range intercept complex). It is intended primarily to control Russian airspace, in this role it should replace the MiG-31 currently in use. Since the MiG-41 will be involved mainly in operations over its own territory, being invisible to radars is not of key importance for it. A superweapon makes it a speed that will be four times the speed of sound, and the ability to operate at an altitude of 45 thousand meters, that is, in near space (the boundary between the atmosphere and space is considered to be an altitude of 100 kilometers above the Earth's surface). "

Here I will object. Why Zemansky repeats nonsense after non-specialists, for me personally it is very difficult to say. You never know who said what?

An airplane in space? Since school, everyone knows that an airplane cannot fly in space. He moves, relying on air, and in space, as you know, a vacuum. So there is nothing to do with a turbojet engine. He, the turbojet engine, is not able to provide the vehicle with a speed at which it could operate in orbit, that is, about 8 km / sec.

Modern airplanes do not fly at such a speed yet. And something, even in the projects, is not visible real devices capable of flying equally freely in space and in the atmosphere.

But back to the MiG-41. More precisely, to Zemansky's "raids" on this promising machine. I specially re-read what they say in JSC RSK MiG on this topic. And there they talked about "the ability to perform tasks in space."

If anything, the MiG-31 can easily perform tasks in space. He is able to rise into the upper atmosphere and calmly launch a rocket at any object in orbit.

So here Pan Zemansky is completely wrong. The MiG-41 is a high-speed interceptor fighter capable of intercepting any aircraft in existence today. And there is no doubt that it will be created in MiG. This is not a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, not a nuclear-powered destroyer, not a nuclear-powered submarine drone.

We have not yet forgotten how to make airplanes in MiG, I know that for sure.

Pan Zemansky believes that everything is beautiful here only on paper. Well, no question, that's his right. Moreover, it is worth recognizing that he has a fair share of objectivity.

“After the collapse of the USSR, Russian enterprises in the military-industrial sector lost the ability to mass-produce modern weapons systems based on domestic developments. In 2014, after the annexation of Crimea, they were cut off from Western technology. Illustrate the situation with problems with adoption tanks T-14 Armata, Su-57 fighters or Project 22350 Admiral Gorshkov missile frigates.

It is interesting, but thank God, they somehow managed with their own technologies. And now our military-industrial complex does not depend at all on them, these very Western technologies.

“The easiest way is to stop speculation about a new aircraft carrier, since Russia has little experience in building such ships. She also does not have the appropriate escort ships. Even if she succeeds in successfully completing the project, the construction of an aircraft carrier will entail the need to create an ocean-going fleet practically from scratch. "

Really agree, this is how it is. The construction of hypothetical aircraft carriers in Russia will lead nowhere, because yes, we have absolutely nothing to defend these aircraft carriers with. And the very fact that it is possible to build an aircraft carrier does not mean that it can actually be used.

And most importantly, the Americans still have a larger fleet, either in terms of aircraft carriers or in terms of cruisers and destroyers. Alas, this is so. As for the rest, one can and should argue.

“Russian superweapons may not exist in the form of finished products, the main thing is that there should be controlled information leaks on the most secret projects. Inside the country, they are working on the myth created by Putin, which speaks of the return to the Russian state of the position lost after the collapse of the USSR. In the foreign policy arena, they serve for disinformation and disguise. The stories about the Poseidon and the MiG-41 sound like a threat of a nuclear attack, from which it is impossible to defend itself, and a promise to repel a retaliatory strike.

It seems that the catamaran aircraft carrier will never swing on the waves, the MiG-41 will not rush to the stars, and the Poseidon will not sink to the depths of the sea, although each of them will fulfill the task that was actually set before it. "

Okay. The semi-catamaran aircraft carrier may remain a project. Poseidon and its bearers are also difficult to discuss. MiG-41 - it will definitely be, here the argumentation simply must be at the level of the others.

Yes, I agree that lately we have started to fight more and more with information and to throw rollers.

But is everything that we have announced for implementation - fiction?

Pan Zemansky should worry not about the nuclear catamaran, but about the Iskander in the Kaliningrad region. You can remember the "Caliber". And when we talk about scarecrows, I think that more fear will be caused not by "Poseidon", which is still generally unknown what can, but "Boreas", which can really do a lot.

You can press charges or openly laugh at how we sometimes try to scare the whole world. There is such, I agree. And often our politicians make big mistakes, trying to intimidate the whole world with the help of cartoons.

But forgive me, this does not at all detract from the merits of those who forge a shield and a sword for our country today. And, you can criticize Russia for promising a lot, but doing little - but you know, the question of sufficiency from the very beginning.

Although, of course, very often politicians are sorted out in full, promising to wipe the whole world off the face of the Earth. It should be done more calmly, especially since there are fewer and fewer of those in the world who believe in this.

True, this does not mean at all that we have nothing for the day after tomorrow, does it?
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 29 March 2021 11: 08
    -5
    Przemyslaw Zemansky from the Polish (understandable by name) publication "Politics" expressed a very interesting and well-reasoned opinion
    there is a rich thinker ... and then there is NOTHING to discuss.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 29 March 2021 11: 31
      +7
      “Russia regularly announces to the world about the creation of new, unparalleled weapons. But does it really exist? Moscow uses stories like this in order to scare the world and convince the Russians of the strength of their country ".
      What for? So that the Polish journalist has something to talk about? Indeed, there is nothing to discuss here. Who needs to know without a Polish publishing house that living the remaining days in an OZK and a gas mask is not the best prospect. And even without Poseidons, aircraft carriers and MiG-41
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 March 2021 11: 39
        +3
        It remains to repeat over and over again that only our vigorous loaves make the craziest ones wonder whether it is worth starting a big whirlwind, which can turn into a universal badabah x x !!!
        By the way, many have already understood this and have reeled on a mustache, or even acquired their own "loaves" with the appropriate filling!
        Everything in this world is interconnected, so the world, at least somehow, exists and does not break over the edge ...
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 29 March 2021 11: 41
          +3
          Quote: rocket757
          By the way, many have already understood this and reeled it on a mustache

          Well, it is. Who was Comrade Eun for the "democratizers" before, and who became after ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 March 2021 11: 47
            +3
            About that and speech. With the addition of "members of the vigorous club", many of the heads will hurt more and more.
            Besides, everything goes.
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 29 March 2021 21: 49
          -1
          laughing The most important thing here is not even what Russia already has, but what MAY appear ... the same Poseidon, in fact, can be launched from the coast if desired and necessary
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 March 2021 08: 22
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            Quote: Barberry25
            The most important thing here is not even what Russia already has, but what MAY appear.

            So the man in the street is convinced that Russia has nothing and will not have anything .... it is not so clever, but many believe their OWN and this is a fact.
            The office lives, the office writes and broadcasts.
            In general, the question of faith ... what they WANT, they believe in that.
        3. Evgeny Seleznev
          Evgeny Seleznev April 4 2021 21: 41
          0
          As an option, a new vector of warfare. Have already modeled. Ala conflict for the Kuril Islands with Japan. First, the provocation drowns a fishing seiner, then shake the eggs and then the rusty submarines of the Pacific Fleet will quietly disappear without cover. What to take old buckets. The Pacific Fleet will not enter the operational space, it is simply insignificant for Japan. And no one will be able to launch rackets across Japan without a casus belli, the United States is an ally. And the exit for the nuclear submarine is also closed, see the Pacific Fleet is insignificant. And the conflict is resolved quietly and peacefully. And everyone is happy. And the prestige of the Russian Federation has been undermined.
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    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 29 March 2021 11: 36
      +11
      Quote: rocket757
      there is a rich thinker ... and then there is NOTHING to discuss.

      Well, why, you just need to weed out his emotional assessment and focus on the facts (which remain facts, even being voiced by a potential enemy). And in fact it turns out something like the article described:
      1. "Poseidon" is an extremely murky topic. What will come of it in the end (and whether it will come out at all) is a big, big question.
      2. Aircraft carriers - so far, alas, a beautiful dream, because it is very difficult and very expensive.
      3. MiG-41 - looks realizable, unless, of course, aircraft design is not destroyed in our country faster (there was recently a note about Comrade Serdyukov's idea to move the design bureau from Moscow closer to production sites: to Irkutsk, Komsomolsk-on-Amur, etc.) ).
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 March 2021 11: 43
        +2
        So there is nothing new in "analysis". We washed these "bones" more than once ...
        The question is, what else is there to discuss?
        The games there I believe - I don't believe, they will last endlessly ... no, not interesting.
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 29 March 2021 12: 44
        +2
        Quote: Kalmar
        Aircraft carriers are, alas, a beautiful dream so far, for it is very difficult and very expensive

        rather utopia
        1. Tektor
          Tektor 30 March 2021 11: 05
          0
          There are words of Shoigu about the aircraft carrier that we do not really need an aircraft carrier, we need a missile capable of destroying the aircraft carrier. Well, about Poseidon, then we can already state his presence, tk. huge grandmothers have been invested in Khabarovsk and Belgorod, its carriers. It is impossible to imagine a situation when, for the sake of PR for a non-existent weapon, its carriers of enormous value are released.
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 29 March 2021 11: 12
    +1
    The MiG-41 is a high-speed interceptor fighter capable of intercepting any aircraft in existence today.
    How big is that? If like the MiG-31, then it is not particularly impressive, because it has already been achieved on a production vehicle.
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 29 March 2021 11: 30
      +2
      Anatoly Kvochur talked about speed 4-4,3 Mach for a promising moment. Big enough? hi
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 29 March 2021 11: 39
        +3
        Quote: El Chuvachino
        Anatoly Kvochur spoke about the speed of Mach 4-4,3 for a promising Mig
        If we understand it as 4 km / h at an altitude of 000 km. then yes, big, more than that of the MiG-10.
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 29 March 2021 21: 52
        0
        well, this is if in the unmanned version, and the manned version will most likely be in the region of 3-000 km per hour ... this will be about 3 swings
  3. KCA
    KCA 29 March 2021 11: 35
    +1
    "Poseidon", perhaps, is a fiction, or rather disinformation, but for some reason they are building "Belgorod" and "Khabarovsk", it turns out too expensive for simple disinformation, it would be enough to show posters, doesn’t sir think so? It may very well be that in a couple of years we will find out the truth, and it may turn out to be more terrible than "Poseidons"
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 29 March 2021 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: KCA
      for some reason, "Belgorod" and "Khabarovsk" are being built, it turns out too expensive for simple disinformation, it would be enough to show the posters, does the sir not think so?

      It is expensive for disinformation, but for such a dearly beloved development of budgets - just right) This could explain the constant delay in deadlines. A more optimistic option: instead of incomprehensible nuclear torpedoes, Belgorod and Khabarovsk will deliver some new devices for, for example, engineering work at great depths. Or it will be a delivery vehicle for sabotage units (something similar is done by the converted American "Ohio"), a kind of underwater large landing craft. However, for now - just guess.
  4. knn54
    knn54 29 March 2021 11: 38
    0
    Once upon a time, the possibility of creating a BZHRK was considered unrealistic Academician Utkin (Dnepropetrovsky) said that the idea was American, but the Yankes could not ...
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 29 March 2021 11: 46
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      But the Yankees could not ...

      The point is not "they could not", but simply considered it inappropriate: silos came out as a simpler and more reliable option (at that time). And then SSBNs arrived, and their need for a BZHRK finally disappeared. For the USSR, due to the geographical features of the BZHRK, they turned out to be more relevant.
      1. knn54
        knn54 29 March 2021 12: 53
        +1
        Guys, I will not trust the academician. And about the many nuances of this project, you will need more than one article from what I remember.
        And the CIA (again, according to him) made a "drain" hoping for the money and time spent by the Union. And not without counting on failure. But it turned out. Although the process lasted 7 or 8 years.
        P., S Let's not compare the subway train with the train.
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 29 March 2021 21: 54
        0
        well, as I remember there was a story that the Americans proposed to make an underground network of railway tunnels with rocket trains ... Therefore, it did not work out
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 29 March 2021 12: 10
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      But the Yankees could not ...

      The Yankes drove their BZHRKs in the tunnel. And all why? They own the railways. Here the train traveled for a couple of kilometers.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 29 March 2021 12: 25
      -2
      Quote: knn54
      But the Yankees could not ...

      They have a piece of iron in private ownership, so they could not.
  5. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 29 March 2021 11: 39
    -7
    You can have different attitudes towards our government, the leaders of the RF Ministry of Defense with general girls who have the rank of state advisers, but about WEAPONS, let this European hamster bite off his tongue, Vanguard is already on alert, Dagger, Peresvet-laser installation, test Zircons are transferred for combat checks, the T-57 ironed the Americans well, so that they did not notice it, probably out of fear, the Armata tank also fired -productively.So, not a very respected nobleman, if you come from your sources of the General Staff of Poland, Poland is less weeks need to roll out. Do you think the Americans will help, they "shaved" the Georgians in 2008, and they will shave you too. And there we still have different systems, electronic warfare, proton, plasma, well, you don't know about this due to your mental, low abilities. Read military literature - HAMSTERS.
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 29 March 2021 11: 48
      +2
      T-57 ironed the Americans well, so that they did not notice it

      This is yes. The T-57 is power.

      And there we still have different systems, electronic warfare, proton, plasma

      Yeah. Recently, pictures of plasma weapons surfaced.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 29 March 2021 12: 04
        -2
        Quote: Simon Schempp
        This is yes. The T-57 is power.

        True, it just wasn't built
        1. Simon schempp
          Simon schempp 29 March 2021 12: 11
          +1
          True, it just wasn't built

          You explain this to your comrade above. He believes that the T-57 ironed the Americans, but they did not notice him for fear. laughing laughing
    2. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 29 March 2021 11: 56
      +2
      Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
      Based on your sources of the General Staff of Poland, it takes less than a week for Poland to roll out.

      not a week but half an hour, the Poles will shoot down American missiles over them, and they will try to shoot down ours over Poland, in the event of a conflict, Poland will forever turn into a burnt radioactive cemetery, the Poles will not be like a people ... in their place, I would advocate for peace more everyone, I would have chased the amers away (the same applies to the whole of central Europe, which voluntarily took on the role of a suicide bomber to please the Americans hoping to hide overseas and left the DMSD ... but human stupidity knows no bounds ...
      1. Simon schempp
        Simon schempp 29 March 2021 12: 06
        -9
        would have driven the amers away (the same applies to the whole of central Europe

        but human stupidity knows no limit ...

        To drive out your ally for the sake of a country that has territorial, economic, ideological claims to you, plus the banal envy that someone lives better than them is a big stupidity, I think
        1. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 29 March 2021 13: 26
          +4
          Quote: Simon Schempp
          territorial, economic, ideological claims,

          Are you by any chance a Bandera? Please list everything specifically based on the documents, a list of claims ... here is proof that human stupidity has no limit, the Russian Federation has no official claims to Poland, about supposedly envy of you, you do not live so well as it seems to you in your Poland, I can no longer find unskilled minors workers at 200 rubles per hour, our migrant workers are used to earning 300 or more per hour, I'm not talking about Russians, the rates go through the roof to the point that I just can't hire, they consider it normal to earn 5000 a day , we have couriers in St. Petersburg for 3000 a day, I'm not talking about salaries of 100 tons at a factory as a welder, of course, if we compare it with a remote village where there is no work, so those who are comfortable there live, they do not go to the city because they have what then incomes are more convenient for them in this village, you are blinkered and blind Russia has long been not in the 90s, and you all boast of your imaginary culture, and everyone thinks that someone needs you with your historical baseless arrogance yu, you do not have oil, gas, nickel and iron, and we don’t buy your apples, in bulk in the Kuban and in friendly allied Belarus, ruled by a wise leader (God bless Lukashenka) ... this is how deeply your delusions exceeded the depth of the Mariana depression ... learn materiel. "The chicken is not a bird, Poland is not abroad. But the outskirts." even you have forgotten how to build ships, a Polish plumber should repair toilets from Western masters in the EU, and not stick out against the great Russian Federation and encroach on its sacred land and great history, and Poland can only serve either the West or the East, and do not boast, Poland there are not even historical victories, only LGBT is growing in your country, the EU, mired in sins, will collapse, and run back to Russia and say, "I'm sorry to blame, ready to serve faithfully, just give a little gas ... and buy our apples" that's how it will be ... if of course, the entire territory of Poland will not turn into a nuclear desert forever ... the likelihood of such a scenario is very high ... I say every time, think with your head
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 29 March 2021 15: 06
      +2
      Quote: I.P. Stalnov.
      T-57 ironed amerikosov well

      Uh-uh ... Have you already forgotten how to distinguish reality from virtuality in your WoT?
    4. Revival
      Revival 29 March 2021 18: 32
      +3
      "The T-57 ironed the Americans well, so that they did not notice it, probably out of fear, the Armata tank also fired - productively."

      Could you specify?
      When it was?
  6. Doccor18
    Doccor18 29 March 2021 11: 41
    +4
    ... that is a very successful fiction. At the level of the American SDI program, which at one time cost the USSR a lot of nerves and dollars.

    And how much did this "successful fiction" cost the domestic budget ...?
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 29 March 2021 11: 50
      +1
      Quote: Doccor18
      And how much did this "successful fiction" cost the domestic budget ...?

      Plus, it is unclear whether it cost the American budget anything: there was no information about their creation of any special "anti-Poseidon" means.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 29 March 2021 11: 52
        +2
        Quote: Kalmar
        ... whether it cost the American budget anything ...

        That's it yes
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 29 March 2021 15: 57
          +2
          The news about Poseidons and Petrels was mainly intended for domestic consumption. Remember when Putin showed these famous cartoons? And before the presidential elections, in fact, it was his election campaign. Experts in the West understand everything perfectly and are not particularly worried, but they can also benefit, since it is worth scaring your layman with these cartoons and you can demand more money for the military budget. And they know how to "cut" the budget.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 29 March 2021 16: 01
            +2
            Experts in the West understand everything perfectly and are not particularly worried, but they can also benefit ...

            That's right.
      2. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 29 March 2021 12: 24
        +5
        Countermeasure anti torpedo - CAT.

        This thing was done to destroy Poseidon. And they did.
        But then they wanted to make a universal anti-torpedo out of this device and screwed up - the requirements are too different. Now they are sawing a new anti-torpedo.

        In terms of costs, this, of course, is incomparable to Poseidon.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 29 March 2021 12: 29
          +6
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          Countermeasure anti torpedo - CAT.

          This thing was done to destroy Poseidon. And they did.

          I read https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/26347/the-navy-is-ripping-out-underperforming-anti-torpedo-torpedoes-from-its-supercarriers and https: //www.dote .osd.mil / Portals / 97 / pub / reports / FY2018 / navy / 2018sstd_tws_cat.pdf? ver = 2019-08-21-155651-040. If I understand correctly, the aforementioned CAT is a component of the SSTD program, focused on the creation of anti-torpedo protection for surface ships. It has nothing to do with Poseidon.
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 29 March 2021 14: 14
            +3
            SSTD is a development of the program - after they made a deep-sea interceptor, they went with the same design to make AT for surface ships under the SSTD program.
            And everything failed there, the SAT was not initially tested for this and could not be "just an anti-torpedo".
  7. Doccor18
    Doccor18 29 March 2021 11: 49
    +2
    ... the main thing is that the Americans still have a larger fleet, either in terms of aircraft carriers or in terms of cruisers and destroyers ...

    Why is this important?
    After all, the phrase caught up with sadness crying ... We build, we build ... but they still have the most ... request
  8. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 29 March 2021 11: 51
    +1
    whose interesting article, of course the aircraft carrier is just stupidity, they are not needed, of course new aircraft are needed there is an opportunity for improvement, there are engineers and factories have experience and developments ... Poseidon is a secret project, new, but I hope it will be brought to implementation and the Russian Federation will have weapons better than a stupid unnecessary aircraft carrier unable to survive 12 hours after the outbreak of war
  9. Petrik66
    Petrik66 29 March 2021 11: 54
    0
    Armata - they cannot be brought to mind, the troops do not have it
    SU 57 is not a 5th generation aircraft at all
    Poseidon is a scarecrow
    Vanguard - scarecrow
    Combat laser - made from papier mache
    Hyper sound is a fake and it is only in cartoons.
    All that the Yankes do not really have, can never exist and no one. Rusty rockets are serviced by drunks and will not even be able to take off .......
    Why discuss the opinion of a Polish "specialist", knowing in advance what he should write and what conclusions to draw?
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 29 March 2021 12: 06
      +4
      Quote: Petrik66

      Why discuss the opinion of a Polish "specialist", knowing in advance what he should write and what conclusions to draw?

      It doesn't matter what some Pole thinks there. For me personally, it would be very important that he was wrong on all counts.
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 29 March 2021 12: 22
      +4
      Armata - cannot be brought to mind


      They can't yet, really.

      she is not in the troops


      No, but it will be. Because without this it will never be brought to mind.

      SU 57 is not a 5th generation aircraft at all


      Without engines of the second stage and all the avionics planned for it - no.

      Poseidon is a scarecrow


      Poseidon is a frenzied clown with no military significance.

      Vanguard - scarecrow


      A specific but necessary weapon is already on alert.

      Combat laser - made from papier mache


      Quite armed.

      Hyper sound is a fake and it is only in cartoons.


      Not a fake and will soon become a mass technology, the same "Zircon".

      All that the Yankes do not really have, can never exist and no one.


      The real world is very complex, neither Pshek's analysts, nor uryakalka-leavened patriots will ever be able to understand it in all its diversity - the resources of the brain will not be enough.

      Why discuss the opinion of a Polish "specialist", knowing in advance what he should write and what conclusions to draw?


      You need to know what a potential enemy is carrying in their heads.
  10. Intruder
    Intruder 29 March 2021 11: 55
    +5
    and the ability to operate at an altitude of 45 thousand meters, that is, in near space (the boundary between the atmosphere and space is considered to be an altitude of 100 kilometers above the Earth's surface)
    The stratosphere is not even the mesosphere yet, with a lower boundary of 50-52 km.,
    The mesosphere is a layer of the atmosphere located at an altitude of 50 to 90 km. These boundaries change, therefore the height of the mesosphere, as in the tropo- and stratosphere, is variable. In this layer, as in others, there are some peculiarities.
    1. The air temperature in the mesosphere decreases with height: from ~ 0 ° С at the lower boundary to -80–90 ° С at the upper one.
    2. In the mesosphere, the annual temperature change is the opposite: in summer, minimum values ​​are observed, and in winter, maximum.
    3. This layer also contains water vapor, but in a very small amount. However, this does not prevent the formation of noctilucent clouds. Very low air temperatures contribute to their occurrence. Noctilucent clouds are the tallest clouds.
    And what kind of near space and MiG 31/41 can we talk about, and even more so with a turbojet engine, where they have a stage with rocket engines !?, although the Earth's atmosphere continues beyond the Karman line. The outer part of the earth's atmosphere, the exosphere, extends to an altitude of 10 thousand km or more, at such an altitude the atmosphere consists mainly of hydrogen atoms capable of leaving the atmosphere.
    And there they talked about "the ability to perform tasks in space."
    in which it is interesting, in a vacuum-free probably! laughing wink
  11. nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 March 2021 12: 00
    +2
    I am a scoop, and nothing can be done about it. We have a powerful weapon, which means there will be more supporters of our country. But if we declare a peace-loving policy, our supporters in the world will double, and maybe even triple. I myself hate war, and every time I speak about it. But if there is a big mess, my supporters will be many millions. But it will be too late. And they will say, "We did not fight for that .."
  12. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 29 March 2021 12: 08
    +7
    And now our military-industrial complex does not depend at all on them, these very Western technologies.
    There is not a single country in the world whose military-industrial complex is based solely on its own technologies, components or equipment. The Russian military-industrial complex, unfortunately, is far from an exception, because of such gross errors, the entire article causes skepticism.
  13. timokhin-aa
    timokhin-aa 29 March 2021 12: 13
    +2
    And how will the MiG-41 come out with 4 sounds? With a turbojet or turbofan engine or engines?
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 29 March 2021 12: 37
      +5
      And how will the MiG-41 come out with 4 sounds?
  14. Avior
    Avior 29 March 2021 12: 14
    -1
    The style of the article made a good impression
    There is a clearly voiced topic, the style of presentation is consistent, without jumping from the fifth hoped, there is a link to the material for analysis, the results of the author's analysis are clearly separated from the material being analyzed.
    You can agree or disagree with the author, but the fact that the very style of the article sets it up for discussion, and not abuse, is very good. There would be more articles with such a style on VO, otherwise, recently, articles in which the author's text is mixed with the text of the discussion material, and there are no links to the source, very often began to appear. : ((
    Respect to the author of the article for this style of presentation :)))
  15. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 29 March 2021 12: 15
    0
    True, this does not mean at all that we have nothing for the day after tomorrow, does it?
    Is it there, the day after tomorrow?
  16. BAI
    BAI 29 March 2021 13: 48
    +2
    Zemansky from the Polish (understandable by name) edition

    It is completely incomprehensible. Brzezinski, despite his first and last name, had nothing to do with Polish publications.
  17. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 29 March 2021 13: 49
    +2
    The most important thing in the matter of new weapons is not to experience their effect on yourself. And "doubts" are a necessary thing. Yes, and support the terazh, it is necessary.
  18. Roman070280
    Roman070280 29 March 2021 14: 06
    -2
    by 2027, 32 such apparatus. More is known about the potential carriers of the Poseidon, that is, the nuclear submarines Belgorod and Khabarovsk. The first has been under construction since 1992 (!), Now it is being tested at sea, in turn, work on the creation of the second began six years ago, but its launch is constantly being postponed "


    And where will these 32 devices go (even if they are) ??
  19. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 29 March 2021 14: 51
    +3
    Well in Poseidons (at least in their physical realizability), I believe good Sakharov also proposed the same in the middle of the last century. drinks
  20. Maks1995
    Maks1995 29 March 2021 15: 44
    -4
    Ha.
    Once again they found some unknown Pole (not a retired military man or designer, but simply an observer), and heroically "exposed".

    If our media often lie and turn paper aircraft carriers into underwafli, why shouldn't others do this?

    By the way, about MIG 41, indeed, they promised something like that. Requirements for the 6th generation, in the early voice acting - just a flight in near-space. There the speed is higher, and the view is better, and the missiles are farther ...
  21. pogis
    pogis 29 March 2021 18: 52
    -5
    I'll just leave it here!
  22. pogis
    pogis 29 March 2021 18: 57
    -5
    Well, the final analysis
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  24. pogis
    pogis 29 March 2021 19: 07
    -4
    And about the Russian army
    [media = http: //youtu.be/2M_-jTDGCbw]
  25. Old Orc
    Old Orc 29 March 2021 19: 57
    +3
    Note that Pan is right in principle. The Japanese also built 2 Super battleships that had no analogues in the world at the time of their birth. But they still did not help them, since they could not build them in marketable quantities. the same thing with the Poseidons and the moment 41. I must admit that Russia has not pulled a single project of new weapons. Yes, the modernized ones are produced since there is a proven technology for the production of the base from the USSR. and all new projects are only in homeopathic doses. If they could, they would do it. do not produce means they cannot. And if they cannot and only speak. then the goal is only in the demonstration is. So pan is right
    1. Victor Tsenin
      Victor Tsenin 29 March 2021 20: 40
      -5
      Su-57, T-14, T-90M and dozens of other models of new weapons, tested in combat conditions, do not agree with the statement, so I must admit, but completely opposite.
      1. Old Orc
        Old Orc 29 March 2021 21: 01
        +4
        Su-57 units, T-14 units. T-90m superdeep modernization of the T-72. su 33,30,34, etc. Modernization of su -27. There is a lot of upgraded and excellent weapons. BUT not a single project of new weapons is available in marketable quantities. An example of the BMP-3 from the moment of adoption in 1987 until 1991, 300 pieces were made. New machine 10 years of design. after making mass production. The SU-57 has been in design since 2005. For 5 years, 1 piece has been flying in the troops. In the event of war, this is the same as not. If they cannot in peacetime during war, all the more they will not be able to. At the expense of modernization. Necessary and important action. BUT the same method can be used to upgrade the T-34. And the right PR will prove the consummation of this tank and its suitability for war, the main thing is to choose the right opponent. but I'm not sure that you would agree to sit in the upgraded T-34 in case of a conflict with a serious enemy.
        1. Victor Tsenin
          Victor Tsenin 29 March 2021 21: 26
          -2
          So far, only a few, but the wind of revision and mass production will inexorably lead to success. I did not specifically mention the Su-3x, because this is an excellent Soviet legacy, but which is not being discussed. About many years, not a single modern model, as a representative of deepening complexity, is designed quickly, sometimes, according to the US experience, huge infusions do not lead to anything at all, an example of FCS and Crusader on the screen.
          Modernization is relevant when a successful sample, with great potential, at low cost, is pulled up to the best representatives of a potential enemy, it is impossible to reach the modernization of the T-34 with a multicellular brain, with a developed neocortex. Do not exaggerate)
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock April 6 2021 13: 34
            0
            If we take the same tanks, then the decision is made by the generals, in which case they will not have to fight on obsolete tanks and risk their lives. In the same T-72b3m, the ammunition is not stored separately from the crew, and if the armor is broken, the crew has no chance of surviving. The Abrams tank, for example, has ammunition stored behind the armored curtain, there are knockout panels and in the event of detonation, the crew has a chance to stay alive.
            I understand that it will not be possible to build 14 thousand new T15s, so that in the event of a war, mobilized reserves would sit on them, but it is possible to drive out 2-3 thousand to regular tank units? The same is with the BMP, why don't the T-15 and Kurganets-25 BMPs go to the regular units?
            As a result, the forward units are mainly T72b3 and BMP-3.
            1. Victor Tsenin
              Victor Tsenin April 6 2021 14: 29
              0
              72B3M is quite good in terms of price / quality criterion. And any modern MBT can hardly withstand more than one hit of a projectile, ATGM. Both our and Western cars burn a lot.
  26. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 29 March 2021 20: 38
    -4
    In general, it is amusing to hear such an analysis from the representative of Poland. This country is still capable of producing only copies of old Soviet weapons, like a helicopter based on the Mi-4, the so-called. the latest anti-aircraft guns based on ZU 23-2 and so on. Those. the level of military-technical development is roughly understandable. Also, I noticed that the Pole clung to the carriers of the shaitan-torpedo, it is interesting that the simple opportunity to launch Poseidon from the coastal pipes did not come to a bright mind. In general, in a typical non-constructive and opportunistic Western fashion - everything and not a damn thing)
  27. Egor53
    Egor53 30 March 2021 00: 58
    -4
    Poland in its entire history has not given the world a single decent scientist or engineer.
    The arguments of a representative of an underdeveloped country famous for its Russophobia cannot be of any interest in technical matters.
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 30 March 2021 01: 10
      +3
      Quote: Egor53
      Poland in its entire history has not given the world a single decent scientist ...

      In fairness, do you think Copernicus is who? And Skladovskaya-Curie?
  28. sawic1
    sawic1 30 March 2021 07: 13
    -1
    You lied about the low efficiency of our only aircraft carrier in Syria, you managed to make a huge number of sorties, and large bombers are not always required
  29. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 30 March 2021 08: 44
    -2
    And let the Americans tell what their aircraft carriers have done over the past 20 years, what ground aircraft could not do and how much their operation cost at that time.
  30. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 30 March 2021 08: 49
    0
    The author at an altitude of 45 km there is no vacuum, there is a rarefied atmosphere. The record for a balloon ascent of more than 50 km, did it rise in a vacuum? 45 km is precisely the theoretical lift limit on a jet engine.
  31. okroshka79
    okroshka79 April 22 2021 11: 01
    0
    Powerful article! Where, only, Mr. Roman Skomorokhov gets top-secret information! Someone is pouring it out for him personally! And about "Poseidon" everyone knows that this is a complete mess too. Apparently, the specialists from the people in the Russian Land have not yet been extinct!