Ukrainian Navy conducted exercises using Bayraktar TB2 attack drones

The Naval Forces of Ukraine (VMSU) conducted exercises using shock drones Bayraktar TB2. According to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, the drones practiced maneuvering over the sea.

According to the report, the drones flew from the coast to the island of Tendrovskaya Spit, which is located in the Black Sea. On the island itself there is a naval training ground for the Ukrainian Navy. How many drones participated in the exercises is not reported. The website of the Ukrainian military department talks about practicing maneuvering drones above the sea.

At the end of October 2019, the Turkish company Baykar Makina announced the completion of the delivery of Bayraktar TB2 drones to Ukraine. In total, within the framework of the agreement, the Ukrainian military received six drones, two (according to other sources - three) ground control stations and related equipment, including simulators. Also earlier, the Ukrainian side reported on the supply of ammunition (200 missiles) for drones in accordance with the agreement.

The Turkish Bayraktar TB2 UAV is an aircraft-type UAV. Wingspan - 12 m, length - 6,5 m. Maximum take-off weight - 650 kg, can carry two high-precision munitions MAM-L weighing 21,5 kg and two MAM-C weighing 7 kg, allowing to hit targets at ranges from 2 to 8 km. UAV flight duration - up to 24 hours, range in line of sight - up to 150 km.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine announced the receipt of the Bayraktar TB2 UAV complex with an increased flight range. The drones will be delivered to the Naval Forces of Ukraine.

Comments

[Magic archer]

The Ukrainian Navy is those rubber boats led by a company of admirals)))? I understand that soon, apart from boats and Bayraktars, nothing will be left of the ships at all. But you can close the aircraft carrier, launch directly from the boat

[Pessimist22]

There are 6 UAVs, rubber boats, 46 BMPs were brought from Poland, they will soon go to Moscow.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Pessimist22

There are 6 UAVs, rubber boats, 46 BMPs were brought from Poland, they will soon go to Moscow.

6 Bayraktars were delivered, and then there was information that one UAV, due to operator error, they safely stuck into the ground. If this information is correct, then they have 5 Bayraktar workers.

[hydrox]

Quote: Nyrobsky

they have 5 workers Bayraktars.

Translated into Russian, these are 5 launches of Buks for guaranteed destruction, Pantsir also shows good efficiency ...

[Nikon O'Conor]

just wondering, were the "cadets" forced (at gunpoint) to learn to control / maneuver? Bayrov vna (as I understand it) is only 36, I can imagine what will happen to those who accidentally drop it))

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nikon OConor

Bayrov vna (as I understand it) only 36

Where did so much come from? As far as I understand, they seemed to be going to buy 12 more pieces (two by six). Even with this scenario, only 18 units are recruited.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Here, we have already practiced. Soon, inspired by Karabakh, they will trample ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Here, we have already practiced. Soon, inspired by Karabakh, they will trample ...

Then they can cross (there is no mind), but it is unlikely to repeat this. The experience of using Turkish UAVs in Syria and Karabakh, where the Turks used the factor of surprise, has already been sorted out to pieces and countermeasures have been worked out as "our Father", and therefore, such tactics can of course be used, but not for long. Will overwhelm them like geese on a spring flight.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Will overwhelm them like geese on a spring flight.

I completely agree. But the Americans kick them. They have to dream! The task of those who should - don't miss the beginning. We keep our fists and wish our good luck and success!

[Grits]

The experience of using Turkish UAVs in Syria and Karabakh, where the Turks used the factor of surprise, has already been sorted out to pieces and countermeasures have been worked out as "our Father", and therefore, such tactics can of course be used, but not for long. Will overwhelm them like geese on a spring flight.
The unit itself is generally good. And he showed himself in the case, too, from the best side - the Armenians, probably, still shudder when he is reminded. Here the question is different. Even if countermeasures are developed and worked out, the problem arises - are there these countermeasures? They were not in Armenia - that's why they lost. And what of these measures in the LDNR? Air defense is MANPADS and "Wasp". "Wasp" did not help the Armenians at all. The same "Bayraktar" put them in the first place so that you could go down below.
Conclusion - the armed forces of Donbass do not have the same countermeasures and these units can do the same thing as with the Armenians. Moreover, the terrain allows. But for some reason they are not afraid of them very much in the LDNR. The question is why? Maybe all the same, they have already been planted with "countermeasures", we just do not know about it? As they say, there will be a surprise.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Soon, inspired by Karabakh, they will trample.

My employee has a son who serves for a duty. They were redeployed near Leningrad / to their beautiful training grounds /. They were relocated. They shoot and drive, in short. This is called combat coordination. But he does not hide too much / that's why I write / They have all their powerful, strategically mobile from the Arctic, to the Alatau, and closer and higher, the brigade says what everyone thinks there - waiting for an order, in short.

[hydrox]

To trample, maybe trample, but whether you can catch up with them is not obvious!

[Nikon O'Conor]

there seems to be 30 Saudis flew in .. (although ... they can write a lot)

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Nikon OConor

there seems to be 30 Saudis flew in .. (although ... they can write a lot)

The Saudis have their own troubles with the Houthis, so they are unlikely to go to the length of cutting off their opportunities.

[From Tomsk]

UNITS. Learn Russian language.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: From Tomsk

UNITS. Learn Russian language.

If from my comment only this confused you, then okay, apparently not everything is so hopeless. I see what I messed up. Perhaps this is because he was in a hurry. I myself do not like spelling mistakes, however, it is more annoying to neglect commas

[YOUR]

It is not clear where you got all these numbers, one 36, the second 18. The article clearly states that they purchased 6 UAVs, 200 ammunition, 2 or 3 guidance stations and simulators. All.
According to the specification for this UAV, this is the minimum supply. The cost is 70 million dollars. The kit does not include the cost of ammunition. This is about $ 30 million more. And the cost of delivery is in the region of 100 million. For Ukraine, this is sensitive.
In addition, a little over 100 Bayraktar TB2s were produced. Which were adopted by Turkey, Qatar, Azerbaijan and Ukraine. So count how many Turks can sell, I don't think more than half. Moreover, they themselves are actively using them in Syria and are suffering losses.
But our leadership surprises me. Sell ​​the S-400 air defense system practically to the enemy. The Turks are actively opposing us in Syria, in Karabakh, in the Caucasus in general.
That this is carelessness or just a desire to get as much dough as possible and do not care what

[hydrox]

Quote: YOUR

Moreover, they themselves are actively using them in Syria and are suffering losses.

A message has just passed that the Syrians are going to transfer a dozen Buks to Idlib, where the Turks have gotten used to using Bayraktars in swarms ...
Oh, Beeches will crumble them there!

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: YOUR

It is not clear where you got all these numbers, one 36, the second 18. The article clearly states that they purchased 6 UAVs, 200 ammunition, 2 or 3 guidance stations and simulators. All.

I don't know where 36 comes from, but about 18 I gave an explanation - six are indicated in the article (which you mentioned) and earlier there was information that Ukraine intends to purchase two more of the same sets of 6 UAVs with guidance stations, i.e. 12 more UAVs. Think so. that adding 6 + 12 and getting the number 18 that I mentioned will not be difficult for you. At the same time, I did not claim that they are available.

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: Nikon OConor

Bayrov vna (as I understand it) only 36

Where did so much come from? As I understand it, they seemed to be going to buy 12 more pieces(two by six). Even with this scenario, only 18 units are recruited.

[YOUR]

I did not find where it says that they bought 12 and 6 more. Information goes everywhere only 6

[Klingon]

still humvi recently how many pieces have received ... used

[hydrox]

I would love to ride through our sandy and hilly-mountainous forests on Hamwijk, but at speed! But on the Niva it is also very decent and with an adrenaline rush!

[Klingon]

and what is on the Humvee, what is on the field in parallel, I am better on a bike :) and you see more and it is good for health and nature is not polluted

[210ox]

Yes, no matter how much. There is a fact of strengthening the Armed Forces. Compared to 2014. In vain then they did not cut this knot.

[hydrox]

There is nothing to be done here: the leader's excessive caution: but now all this will be done within the Bidonov's "Rules" (or, in our opinion, "Concepts"), let the old man try to object - we will recall Kosovo, Belgrade and Baghdad at once!

[210ox]

And he won't mind. He will demand. Vaughn has already bitten from the PRC. And we will object (with our caution and capabilities). This is not good, because we are trying to play after the situation, not creating it.

[hydrox]

The states also took a bite with us - and what, the Can has already defeated us?
No. And what will the senile say from us now?
And NOTHING !!! "

[venik]

Quote: Pessimist22

There are 6 UAVs, rubber boats, 46 BMPs were brought from Poland, they will soon go to Moscow.

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One problem: They can go and they will go ... Will they get it?

[hydrox]

If you shod well with old cast-iron batteries, they'll do it!

[venik]

Quote: hydrox

If you shod well with old cast-iron batteries, they'll do it!

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One problem: cast iron - it is like that, it is - heavy ... It won't be long to get stuck in a swamp ...

[hydrox]

So it is not for nothing that all sea vessels pump ballast when they are empty, and submarines and balloons with derisholes are not residents without ballast at all.
By the way, in the American Boston bombers, 10-12 kilograms of lead curly anti-flutter castings were fixed in the wingtips: without them, the wings of the aircraft shattered to smithereens. Something the same, but smaller, was in the flaps.
And these bookmarks were painted in a poisonous yellow color.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Magic Archer

The Ukrainian Navy is those rubber boats led by a company of admirals)))? I understand that soon, apart from boats and Bayraktars, nothing will be left of the ships at all. But you can close the aircraft carrier, launch directly from the boat

Don't worry about that. If necessary, they will be armed to fight with us. It's always better when someone else dies for you

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vol4ara

Don't worry about that. If necessary, they will be armed to fight with us. It's always better when someone else dies for you

Even in ancient times, having distributed swords and spears to an unprepared army, it was impossible to receive a particularly formidable force ... But now that, having brought a lot of sophisticated weapons, and distributing them to unprepared troops for their use, will the situation be different? When should the troops be prepared for the use of these weapons?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

bringing a lot of sophisticated weapons, and distributing them to troops unprepared for their use - will the situation be different? When should the troops be prepared for the use of these weapons?

So there was an article on VO relatively recently that the empirialists prepared up to 22 airborne vehicles, do you think there were no UAV operators among them?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Lara Croft

So there was an article on VO relatively recently that the empirialists prepared up to 22 airborne vehicles, do you think there were no UAV operators among them?

And what, 6 Bayraktars will decide something? And do you really believe in 22 thousand trained soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?
Prepared for what? As far as I remember - to urban battles ... Do you believe in urban battles in the LPNR? Me not.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And what, 6 Bayraktars will decide something?

A start has been made ... for example, in the damage to the Simferopol CHP plant or a chemical plant in Armyansk ... the existing air defense systems in Crimea will only be enough for partial cover of the bases of the KChF and the Crimean bridge ...

And do you really believe in 22 thousand trained soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

What are you hinting at, they will not write about VO in vain, otherwise they would not write ridiculous articles here ...

Prepared for what? As far as I remember - to city battles ...

There, UAVs are also needed ..... it is unlikely that the empirialists trained only the infantry, there also the UAV operator, the Javelin ATGM, anti-warfare radar calculations, etc.

Do you believe in urban battles in the LPNR? Me not.

Me too ... but they won't write in vain, we don't know everything ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Lara Croft

... the existing air defense systems in Crimea will only be enough for partial coverage of the bases of the KChF and the Crimean bridge ...

Are you serious now? Or so they chatted for fun? Damn, anilitics, strateHi ..Boo Ga ​​Ga !!!!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: 30 vis

Are you serious now? Or so they chatted for fun?

If the empirialists had plans to destroy the Roki tunnel in the Republic of South Ossetia, why nothing like this could be planned ...

Bu Ga Ga !!!! laughing laughing laughing

Are you nervous or something? Drink some water, maybe let go ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Lara Croft

.the existing air defense systems in Crimea will only be enough for partial cover of the bases of the KChF and the Crimean bridge ...

Reread your quote! I’ll drink water without your advice ... I’ll go and drink a cup of Narzan ... While the Crimea and Sevastopol are covered from all sides from -400, from -300 and other air defense means, as well as air defense from ships of the fleet ... Your health!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: 30 vis

While Crimea and Sevastopol are covered from all sides from -400, from -300 and other air defense means

What I wrote about:

the existing air defense systems in Crimea will only be enough for partial cover of the bases of the KChF and the Crimean bridge ...

You are a strange person ... when I answered your question, what 6 shock UAVs can do, you started to get nervous and laugh ... but the objects I indicated:

Simferopol CHP or chemical plant in Armyansk .....

not covered by the object air defense system ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Lara Croft

You are a strange person ... when I answered your question, what 6 shock UAVs can do, you started to get nervous and laugh ... but the objects I indicated:
Simferopol CHP or chemical plant in Armyansk .....
not covered by the object air defense system ...

Only about the known locations of the air defense systems ... S-400 are located in Sevastopol, Evpatoria, Dzhankoy, Feodosia ... And I do not want to disclose the bases of the S-300. and even more so about other air defense systems! And the ships of the fleet can cover the Crimea anywhere from the sea. Plus planes. They also block the floor of the ukraYny. You can even declare an unmanned zone over ukraYna .. And you bai tractors ... Ugh! Bayraktars ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: 30 vis

. You can even declare an unmanned zone over the ukraYna .. And you Bai tractors ... Ugh! Bayraktars ..

Interestingly, the disadvantages of the powerlessness of the leaders of the ukrovermacht, or I somewhere wrote a lie !? Interesting train of thought disagreeing !!!!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

S-400 are located in Sevastopol, Evpatoria, Dzhankoy, Feodosia ...

in the Krasnoperekopsk area there are on a permanent basis 2 tank companies of the marines of the KChF, which include air defense companies with Tunguska, Pantsir, Tor equipment, as well as an air defense battalion Buk and, of course, an electronic warfare unit, as without them ... so everything is covered .. .... only one thing is not clear how tractors will cause damage to enterprises with a meager combat load, not for a sniff of tobacco

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

.. only one thing is not clear how tractors will inflict damage on enterprises with a meager combat load, not for a sniff of tobacco

It is not at all clear how these buy tractors will reach the state border with Russia-Crimea .. They will be shot down while trying to cross the state border of the Russian Federation! .. thinks all sorts of biliberd!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

[quote] [no need to share information with a potential adversary ../quote ]........ this infa is publicly available ... it's another matter how likely adversaries and sworn partners assess it ... what about loitering at the borders ..that is a regular occurrence ....
[quote] Let him continue to think any bileberdy [/quote] ... well, what else ... Banderlog was put in his pants in 2014, when we only had rifle bikes and rarities on Chongar ... but now .. .. I watch their news channels ... this is complete nonsense ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

.. and now .... I watch their news channels ... this is complete nonsense ...

I tried to watch a couple of times ... Only
nauseous and disgusting from their lies .. We remember everything. as it was with us in the Crimea and Sevastopol with their ukre ... Many people from the mainland do not believe us ... We have to explain and tell ....

[Overlock]

Quote: 30 vis

Only
sick and disgusted by their lies ..

This is how it happens: I felt sick, but I lived. Some kind of sadomasochism

[Xnumx vis]

[quote = Overlock] This is how it happens: I felt sick, but I lived. Sadomasochism of some kind [/ quo Therefore, dear Overlock, Sevastopol is now part of Russia, and the Kryzhopel and the thorns, your beloved ones, are in the ass.

[Overlock]

Quote: 30 vis

. Only
nauseous and disgusting from their lies .. We remember everything. as it was with us in the Crimea and Sevastopol under their ukre ..

Quote: 30 vis

Therefore, dear Overlock, Sevastopol is now part of Russia

Assessing your diarrhea, we turn to primary sources. In all countries where people are dissatisfied with their lives, what do they do? - That's right, they ignore all the elections of the existing government.
Given your illiteracy, let's turn to science:
1.The results of the referendum of December 1, 1991 on the independence of Ukraine, against the independence was expressed:

As you can see, not everyone supported your lie.
2. Time has passed and new elections, now the president of Ukraine. We look ...

Again! Almost 90% of Crimeans and Sevastopol residents supported the new President Kuchma. Nauseous, they are driven with sticks. and they go and vote. Paradox!
3. Another election, Yanukovych! It’s like you had to get sick of lies in order to come back and vote

But they came. You are probably the only one who resisted, but nevertheless
voter turnout in elections has always been:
Crimea Sevastopol
2006 54.34% 63,12%
2007 57, 66% 52, 21%
2012 49,25% 49%.
As you can see, Sevastopol has always voted actively, like Crimea. Alas!
You can study the question in more detail here.
Peculiarities of electoral behavior of Crimean voters: 1991–2014 FGAOU VO "Vernadsky Crimean Federal University", Tavricheskaya Academy (structural unit), Simferopol, Russian Federation.
Obviously, you won’t suspect Russian scientists of lying, although you won’t do anything for your own sake.
Presenting your opinion as the last resort, read it.

Quote: 30 vis

and kryzhopel and thorns, beloved by you,

I have never been and do not suffer. But in the ass, in my opinion, you, because you have never been able to reasonably answer a single question.
How much did Sevastopol sell, patriot?

Why are you taking land from your fellow countrymen?

[Xnumx vis]

What are you trying to prove to me? That Sevastopol is Ukraine? For God's sake .. think as you please. Attach any videos .. It excites you, excites, enters into ecstasy. I'm not going to debate with you, even more so to entertain you. as they say .. Free!

[Overlock]

Quote: 30 vis

What are you trying to prove to me?

Quote: 30 vis

That Sevastopol is Ukraine?

I say, you don’t know how to read and think, you don’t know how to analyze! What does your analysis of what you have read say? - That you cannot analyze anything
No need to show off and shout on behalf of all Crimeans and Sevastopol residents! Less pathos! Not everyone supports your ecstasy in Crimea.

Quote: 30 vis

It excites you, excites you, brings you into ecstasy.

Yes, I like those on the table with a face, I agree on that.

Quote: 30 vis

Is free!

I am always free, unlike your kind. Walk the hype lover.

[Xnumx vis]

Free? So let's run to

Quote: Overlock

No need to show off and shout on behalf of all Crimeans and Sevastopol residents! Less pathos! Not everyone supports your ecstasy in Crimea.

to Svidomo ... The activist .. Such as I am in Sevastopol and the Crimea, 90 percent! No one will agree to return to Svidokloaku ... Well, of course, except for your friends from the Kryzhopels, those lions ... and you dear sir.

[Xnumx vis]

To the lover of svidoextasis!

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Many people from the mainland do not believe us ...

.... this is true .. but they are convinced when they arrive

[Overlock]

Quote: 30 vis

And you, my respected Crimean partisan 1974, do not need to share information with a potential enemy.

и

Quote: 30 vis

S-400 are located in Sevastopol, Evpatoria, Dzhankoy, Feodosia ...

Unclear! Who is the spy and who is the chatterbox?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Overlock

Unclear! Who is the spy and who is the chatterbox?

On the whereabouts of the S-400 in Crimea, there were publications in all Russian media. There is no mystery here ...

[Crimean partisan 1974]

Unclear! Who is the spy and who is the chatterbox?

....... you first figure out what a valuable infa is ......

[Overlock]

Quote: Crimean partisan 1974

in the Krasnoperekopsk area there is on a permanent basis 2 tank companies of the marines of the KChF, which include air defense companies with Tunguska equipment

[Overlock]

Quote: Lara Croft

Are you nervous or something?

It happens, it brings it.

[clerk]

... A start has been made ... for example, in the damage to the Simferopol CHP plant or a chemical plant in Armyansk ... the existing air defense systems in Crimea will only be enough for partial cover of the bases of the KChF and the Crimean bridge ...

Do you really think that the Ukronatsiki want to seriously fight with Russia? And do you want to receive a retaliatory strike against Ukraine's military infrastructure, as well as the massive military units of the Armed Forces in Donbass and personally a missile in Zelensky's car? "We will kill the terrorists in the toilet" (c)

[Lara Croft]

Quote: clerk

Do you really think that the Ukronatsiki want to seriously fight with Russia?

Of course not. But those who have a dacha in the same cottage village with Yatsenyuk can give an order to attack. Later he flew away on an airplane to warm lands.
If the Armed Forces of Ukraine obediently executed the order to start the ATO illegally appointed acting President of Ukraine Turchinov, then why the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not obey Zelensky, who was chosen by the majority of the Ukrainian population from those who came to the elections.

[clerk]

... Of course not. But those who have a dacha in the same cottage village with Yatsenyuk can give an order to attack. Later he flew away on an airplane to warm lands.
If the Armed Forces of Ukraine obediently executed the order to start the ATO illegally appointed acting President of Ukraine Turchinov, then why the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not obey Zelensky, who was chosen by the majority of the Ukrainian population from those who came to the elections.

Because those who give such an order and execute it will be destroyed even in warm regions. And they know it. This is not to kill defenseless Luhansk women with rockets from attack aircraft.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: clerk

Because those who give such an order and execute it will be destroyed even in warm regions.

Well, Yatsenyuk and Turchinov are still more alive than all the living ...
And what will restrain ukronatsik who will carry out acts of terrorism and sabotage on the territory of the Russian Federation ....?

[clerk]

.Well, Yatsenyuk and Turchinov are still alive

For now, livelier, because they still understand the difference between barking and biting.

... And what will restrain ukronatsik who will carry out acts of terrorism and sabotage on the territory of the Russian Federation ....?

Greetings from Basayev, Dudayev, Raduev, Khattab and other Yandarbievs.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: clerk

Greetings from Basayev, Dudayev, Raduev, Khattab and other Yandarbievs.

Well, they didn’t blow up houses ... they only gave orders ...

[clerk]

Greetings from Basayev, Dudaev, Raduev, Khattab and other Yandarbievs.

Well, they didn’t blow up houses ... they only gave orders ...

Well, strictly speaking, Basayev and Raduev personally participated in attacks on Russian cities, but this does not change the essence - ordinary performers will be destroyed either immediately or after vigorous interrogations. There will be no more Sentsovs and Savchenko. Brotherhood fumbling remains for the media. At best, the corpses of terrorists will be exchanged.

[Grits]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

And what, 6 Bayraktars will decide something? And do you really believe in 22 thousand trained soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine?

They believe in the invincible power of Western wonder weapons. Remember how they masturbated to the Javelins. Which, in their opinion, were able not only to win, but also to turn the whole course of history. Such power was inherent in the Javelins. Now they have come to believe in the fantastic abilities of the "Bayraktars". Why teach a soldier? After all, the miracle weapon is already there.

[hydrox]

You know, these heroes will run with both tractors and Javelins, because individual samples of super-duper weapons do not yet make a gang a victorious army ...
They will run, of course, they will run, only the boilers will no longer be called Ilovaisk, and not Chernukhinsky, but Odessa, Kharkov and Zaporozhye.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Vol4ara

Don't worry about that. If necessary, they will be armed to fight with us. It's always better when someone else dies for you

Even in ancient times, having distributed swords and spears to an unprepared army, it was impossible to receive a particularly formidable force ... But now that, having brought a lot of sophisticated weapons, and distributing them to unprepared troops for their use, will the situation be different? When should the troops be prepared for the use of these weapons?

Uh, for example now, for example, now dill are learning to shoot from javelins, and the Poles are learning to fly at f35.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vol4ara

Uh, for example now, for example, now dill are learning to shoot from javelins, and the Poles are learning to fly at f35.

What have the Poles got to do with it? Javelins, this is great, and just a wunderwolf, it will destroy all divisions of Buryat armored divers. Only will they be handed over to the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? And then what will appear on the "opposite side"?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Vol4ara

Uh, for example now, for example, now dill are learning to shoot from javelins, and the Poles are learning to fly at f35.

What have the Poles got to do with it? Javelins, this is great, and just a wunderwolf, it will destroy all divisions of Buryat armored divers. Only will they be handed over to the soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? And then what will appear on the "opposite side"?

The Poles are here with that.
If necessary - yes, they will give out.
In response to javelins, nothing. We do not have an ATGM of this level of automation

[Ripap]

This, of course, is very bad, but Ukraine does not have tanks that can withstand a hit by Kornet even in the forehead, so all this automation with hitting the roof will in fact not give any real advantages.

[Vol4ara]

Quote: RipRap

This, of course, is very bad, but Ukraine does not have tanks that can withstand a hit by Kornet even in the forehead, so all this automation with hitting the roof will in fact not give any real advantages.

There, below, the Mountain Shooter answered you why you need portable ATGMs on which you do not need to keep the aiming mark until the defeat (operator vulnerability, time)

[113262a]

Have you ever been attacked, sitting in a tank, with the help of at least a Rapier or RPG (LNG)? If your crew is from the grandfathers of Soviet hardening, then the mechanic at the very first attack will turn, as taught, at the command of CT so that the threat is 30 -0! Because art, as a rule, smears from the first shot, taking it into a fork, although now laser rangefinders are massively adjusted to non-brothers. And then you don't see this Javelin, he attacks from above. And purely psychological, pleasure, like from getting into a minefield, even if it hits not the tower, but the transmission, that's all, hello, drape-hatch!

[Roman 57 rus]

In my opinion, thermal imaging equipment gives a huge advantage in shooting, and with this it will be worse for us and the LPNR. The American thermal imaging optics (I hope ours will catch up) taxis in this direction.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Roman 57 rus

In my opinion, thermal imaging equipment gives a huge advantage in shooting, and with this it will be worse for us and the LPNR. The American thermal imaging optics (I hope ours will catch up) taxis in this direction.

If you stand purely positionally and shoot at nights, then it may be so, but if you work in contact, then the "thermal imaging" is so-so, decoration, more a hindrance. Previously, in general, phosphoric attachments were put on the sight - brought two circles into the eight under the target and shoot. It worked))) Damn, it became very old

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Vol4ara

In response to javelins, nothing. We do not have an ATGM of this level of automation

Why are there automated anti-tank systems? On the "other side" ... Plenty of shells, a little with guidance ... And hang spotters. Javelin - Soldiers wear. Good artillery barrage leaves little chance for infantry on the battlefield. Back in the 80s, the tactics of attacking tanks was practiced practically under the "umbrella" of shrapnel shells with radio fuses. I myself took part in this "action" ... The infantry will not raise their heads from the trenches. And the tanks are already jumping through the trenches.
The shaft of bursts moves 200 meters in front of the line of attack and the shells explode 50-70 meters overhead. This is one of the options for the development of events.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vol4ara

The Poles are here with that.
If necessary - yes, they will give out.

Yes, sir, make you full of difficulties. Do you really think that the Poles will break into a cake for an ukrohunta so that the Russian tricolor would be hung over Warsaw? What are their goodies?

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: Vol4ara

The Poles are here with that.
If necessary - yes, they will give out.

Yes, sir, make you full of difficulties. Do you really think that the Poles will break into a cake for an ukrohunta so that the Russian tricolor would be hung over Warsaw? What are their goodies?

Yes, they do not care about Ukraine, but they have a common sovereign. Kaliningrad region haunts pshek

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vol4ara

Yes, they do not care about Ukraine, but they have a common sovereign. Kaliningrad region haunts pshek

The Psheks may not give, but given the fact that the same Psheks lost 30% of the German territory following the results of the Second World War, as a result of which Poland's access to the Baltic Sea increased from tens of kilometers to hundreds, it is hardly in their interests to put pressure on inviolability Ukrainian borders. We can have a little doubt about their possessions! Why don't we, as the heirs of the USSR, “play with” some territorial possibilities and claims, especially considering that Poland considers the Lviv region to be its voivodeship? It is not necessary to get into the Empire, it is necessary to use the factors of contradictions within the EU, in order to weaken the "unity" of the already weakened European office.

[210ox]

Why do we regard them as untrained fools? They are motivated (yes, they believe that they are protecting their home from aggression), they are intensively trained, they receive new and not very weapons. Moreover, there are samples that we do not have. Underestimating the enemy is fraught.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Vol4ara

Don't worry about that. If necessary, they will be armed to fight with us. It's always better when someone else dies for you

And then they will take in gold for help, if there is no money, they will squeeze it out with earth! The practice of the English is such, Jewish - "I'll give you, but for" help "I'll rip off a triple price. Ours fought in the Great Patriotic War, and these lend-leases (from the English lend - to lend and lease) were sending Waiting ... ....... ..

[Vol4ara]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: Vol4ara

Don't worry about that. If necessary, they will be armed to fight with us. It's always better when someone else dies for you

And then they will take in gold for help, if there is no money, they will squeeze it out with earth! The practice of the English is such, Jewish - "I'll give you, but for" help "I'll rip off a triple price. Ours fought in the Great Patriotic War, and these lend-leases (from the English lend - to lend and lease) were sending Waiting ... ....... ..

So who's arguing. This is exactly how the Ukrainians are already on the credit hook, a step to the right and creditors will immediately demand debts back - default and fall into the abyss. Strategy may be dirty, but it works, and there is no room for sentiment in politics

[Ovsigovets]

no ... they will not arm ... a million-strong group is not a tank and an airplane for you to buy

[svp67]

Quote: Magic Archer

I understand that soon, apart from boats and Bayraktars, nothing will be left of the ships at all

Not right. They still have boats, and soon there will be more and more corvettes are expected.

[mitroha]

Rather, the retreat of the corvettes due to non-payment. Although the Turks are ready to give loans

[Terenin]

Turkish UAV Bayraktar TB2 is an aircraft-type UAV.

Dangerous drummers in the hands of dangerous people. Here, we need to be careful.

[Prisoner]

It may turn out that there will be no more of them either. Spring hurts too much in their brains. Something around the Crimea began to clump together.

[hagen]

The Ukrainian Naval Forces (Naval Forces) conducted exercises using Bayraktar TB2 attack drones. According to the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense, the drones were practicing maneuvering over the sea.

I think, in parallel, our air defense forces trained in the control of low-sized low-speed targets. .

[Dizel200]

Didn't you break or break anything?

[sergo1914]

Quote: Dizel200

How many drones were involved in the exercise are not reported.

The number is not reported. There are different options. It has become less, it has become more ... a scanty option - how many so many soared and the village.

[Camrad]

two bayraktar

[rocket757]

Ukrainian Navy conducted exercises using Bayraktar TB2 attack drones

... Do they have a navy?
But what about what is not there, you can conduct exercises ???

[Prisoner]

The Navy Commander is definitely there, but the Navy. They say there is. But "to whom and the mare is the bride."

[Sergey Obraztsov]

If in / in Ukraine people are warmed by the thought that the famous Turkish drones will do something against troops with echeloned air defense, then I am glad for them. The enemy's illusions are always pleasant ...

[Alex Nevs]

And this formidable unmanned weapon has its flies cut down? Well, for preventive purposes ...

[petrol cutter]

And I told you a hundred times - UA is not a joke.
Many sorrows can be delivered. And there you are ...
But, among the people, jokes / jokes!
It is not for them to fight at sea.
And, I'm afraid that in my old age I will have to.
Goat understands that the enemy will be defeated, victory will be ours. But the sheet I am unbearable.
Here, no options.
Most likely, I'll even die.
Finally!
God willing.

[Dmitry Izmalkov]

Friends, I apologize for the off-topic question, but are destroyers generally exported? That is, in theory, Ukraine can buy them?

[Prisoner]

In theory, they can even purchase the Galaktika star cruiser. In practice, they will call some vessel a frigate. They are not the first time.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Dmitry Izmalkov

Friends, I apologize for the off-topic question, but are destroyers generally exported?

USSR supplied. Otherwise, it is unlikely, too complex machine and universal, only a high-tech country can make them, at the moment such countries are enough to count on the fingers of two hands.
EM URO is a ship of the ocean zone and the APU does not need it, they do not even need FR URO (air defense or PLO) ...
The construction of air defense and / or anti-aircraft defense corvettes for the Ukrainian Armed Forces is a distant prospect ...
If Ukraine does not solve the problem of Donbass (repeating the "feat" of Georgia), then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not receive anything else ...
All that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have now should burn out in the Donbass having fulfilled their main task of "freeing" Donbass from the "separatists", if the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not fulfill this task, then the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not receive any new expensive weapons ...
Having lost the war on 08.08.08, Georgia currently has neither the Navy nor the Air Force .... because. Georgia did not justify the aspirations and hopes of the Empireists, the same will happen with Ukraine ...

[Avior]

Few people are building them now; in fact, they will be replaced by large frigates in the world.
Ukraine does not need either one or the other, the Black Sea, after the advent of modern aviation, became too small for such ships

[petrol cutter]

They can. Why can't they?
What's the matter here?
Depends on the terms of purchase - with or without weapons?
Armament installation / adjustment is money.
Installation / purchase of what kind of weapons?
This must always be taken into account when ordering steamers ...
Thus, we come to the conclusion that the customer must clearly formulate the terms of reference for the steamer.
Plus, to understand whether he will be able to maintain / maintain such "vessels"?
So the next question is, do you have the onshore / basic infrastructure ready? ...
Infrastructure means a lot of things.
Starting with the nutrition of the collective gathered on the ship with stupid provisions.
Ending / maybe not ending stupidly with the same power supply from the shore. Which broke off at a certain PD in Murmansk. As a result of reasons not entirely clear to me, they barely managed to evacuate the "Kuznetsov".
Then, from something, the director of the SZ found ten lemons of unaccounted money ...
Well then, such.!

[Emil Azeri]

A Ukrainian novice culinary specialist goes to Turkey to meet with a Turkish professional chef to learn how to cook from him as excellently as he did.
He sees that chef's dishes are gorgeous.
Ukrainian thinks-thinks ..
Here, the Chef found your secret - you have very good and expensive pans! I will buy myself as many as 6 of these, and I will also get excellent dishes!
But he did not know that these expensive and high-quality pans were only one of tools, for cooking. One must also be able to cook. And good pots, without the ability to cook, in his hands will be just ordinary iron.

[TermNachTer]

And they did not report that one "bayraktar" was already ditched in Starokonstantinov?))) I do not know what is the correct name - a hard landing or a controlled fall?)))

[Gennady Fomkin]

Quote: TermNachTER

And they did not report that one "bayraktar" was already ditched in Starokonstantinov?))) I do not know what is the correct name - a hard landing or a controlled fall?)))

https://dronewars.net/drone-crash-database/ База Данных Аварий Дронов.Неплохо: по 10 млн. $ за штуку.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Gennady Fomkin

Quote: TermNachTER

And they did not report that one "bayraktar" was already ditched in Starokonstantinov?))) I do not know what is the correct name - a hard landing or a controlled fall?)))

https://dronewars.net/drone-crash-database/ База Данных Аварий Дронов.Неплохо: по 10 млн. $ за штуку.

I did not find Konstantinovka there.
Ryazan saw a bunch of Libya and the United States ... Request for Ukraine gives only news similar to VO.

[Coconut]

frequency scanner .. and PPC .. to the unmanned aerial vehicle

[Gennady Fomkin]

story by Maxim Gusev "Chronicles of the laboratory: Maturity",: June 15. We thought. We soldered the circuit. June 18. Morning. We turned on the amplifier. They pressed the radar with a new scheme. The wave, phase and shape of the pulse were selected. Suppressed. There is no more interference on the amplifier. Dinner. The first plane almost landed on us. Evening. The planes go in jambs. Turned off the scheme. The pilots were waiting behind the checkpoint. Tough guys with a good reaction. The guards beat us off. Then she added. June 19-22. Sincere conversations with the special officer. June 23rd. The military arrived. They took the scheme. Very much praised. Then they scared me. We promised to be silent. In the evening the journalist came. They made him drink and took him to the technical floor. No one has yet left there quickly. They cheat for at least a day. June 26. In the morning, we succumbed to the bot in Quake. For about twenty minutes they were pretending to be meat. The chief was pleased with himself. There is no longer a question of dismissal. The journalist is wailing somewhere, but he is reliably muffled by the ventilation. 27th of June. The chef is on horseback. The three of us are resting. A devastating account. It's a shame. Analyzed the reason for the failure. Evening. They were looking for a journalist. Stayed on the night shift. Found it. Throws nuts. Laughs and writes something on his laptop. It turns out that he has radio access to the Internet. I envy. June 28. Alas, we all have a bad reaction. Hands on the keyboard do not have time. We assembled manipulators with control from the biocurrents of the brain. June 29. Debugged manipulators. It turned out to react to subconscious images. They all have bruises. Reduced the sensitivity of the input stages. It helped. 30 June. Removed manipulators. Unsportsmanlike and fraught with dismissal. We adapted them to a hot cell where we work with radioactivity. Convenient, fast. There is more time left for computers. 3 July. The director came. Took away the manipulators. I asked to do more. All day we tried to remember the control scheme. They failed. The smoke is not right. There is no alcohol. The chef is back on horseback. There are already legends in the building about an unknown person stealing food and alcohol. 4th of July. Vasya came. Former employee. Now cool. Shows off GPS. Ham. Argued in his jeep that GPS would not help him. Doesn't believe. 5'th of July. Preparing for a dispute. The windows of the jeep are painted over. Vasya is ready. He laughs. We are ready too. Found a suitable cable for the new circuit. The main thing is to sustain the substation. July 6. The substation lasted until lunchtime. The jeep got stuck in a swamp about 120 kilometers from the city. Vasya is surprised. He believed that he was in the middle of the city. We are glad. July 7. No longer happy. There is no schema. There is no device. There are no computers. There is no stocked bottle either. The rooms are sealed. July 8-20. We sit in the bullpen. Sometimes meetings with a special officer. We read in newspapers about incidents with ships and planes,

[iouris]

Aviation is the main striking force of the fleet.

[Vlad Pervovich]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Quote: Pessimist22

There are 6 UAVs, rubber boats, 46 BMPs were brought from Poland, they will soon go to Moscow.

6 Bayraktars were delivered, and then there was information that one UAV, due to operator error, they safely stuck into the ground. If this information is correct, then they have 5 Bayraktar workers.

yes, even if 6 ... this is not a miracle weapon, as the Kiev warriors think, apparently they decided to cheer themselves up ...))

[Vol4ara]

Quote: Ovsigovets

no ... they will not arm ... a million-strong group is not a tank and an airplane for you to buy

Easy to arm. Or you will have to arm yourself and die yourself. It would be easier for you if your neighbor dug a hole for the foundation, only give him a shovel (if there was such an opportunity) ...? alternatively, you can take the shovel yourself and work in until the 7th sweat. The choice is obvious - either arm your people and die, or arm some nameless meat and let it die

[Cowbra]

This was reported on Saturday by the news agency of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine "Armiyainform".
"Bayraktar TB2 unmanned attack aircraft flew from the mainland of Ukraine to the Tendrovskaya Kosa island, which is located in the Black Sea. The drones have worked out various training tasks for maneuvering," the message says. On the map with the route, which illustrated the message, it is shown that the takeoff and landing of the vehicles took place at the airfield in Nikolaev.

By the way, purely so. For navigation. The peninsula is either not the mainland or not Ukraine. not I said, but a scythe ... Give the degers a geography textbook

[Fisherman]

Everything in business: the Turks will vparyat goods to a Jew for the money of the Yankees .... Crimea will be trained "on cats".

[xorek]

Do they hope like in Karabakh? Oh well ..

[kill the fascist]

They made some kind of horror story out of Turkish UAVs, some myth-making - Zeus is the thunderer. Radius 150 km - cover the jump at the airfield together with Turkish operators, and then say: cake, what kind of cake? No, have not seen. The Armenians lost the war not because of the Turkish UAVs, but because they were less prepared in many aspects, including new weapons. Already during the exacerbation in 2016, Azerbaijanis, using new weapons (like Jewish ones), burned a lot of Armenian armored vehicles in caponiers. Conclusions have been made. Four years of focused preparation - receive and sign. It seems that the late Primakov warned the Armenians that it would be better to return the surplus taken by others.