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Death Scythe: the two-handed swords of the Middle Ages and Renaissance

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Death Scythe: the two-handed swords of the Middle Ages and Renaissance
Still from the film "The Miracle of the Wolves" (in the Soviet box office "Secrets of the Burgundian Court"), 1961 France-Italy. Before us is the most spectacular scene of this film - God's Judgment, a duel that should decide the fate of a beautiful innocent heroine. A knight without fear or reproach, de Neuville, played by the equally impeccable Jean Marais, fights against the best villain of French cinema, Guy Delorme. It is clear that justice will certainly prevail, but only after a desperate fight - first on horseback, and then in hand-to-hand combat on foot, just with two-handed swords!


Praise the sword
Mchi,
sword,
Sickle
sech,
Beach
battles
Brother
razors
(Program "Skald". A. Kondratov. "Formulas of a miracle")

Weapon from museums. So it's time to talk about swords, and not about some "ordinary" or even about the same swords of the Vikings (we already talked about them on VO), but about swords for two hands, swords "with a capital letter", swords which novelists love to incorporate into their books. For example, one writer came to me and told me that Maurice Druon, of course, is well done, and his series "Damned Kings" is impressive, but he wants to write a series ... "before," that is, about the kings who created France and England, about "blessed kings". But ... he lacks data on weapons. Asked for help to fix it, and I helped. Then he even held one of the books in his hands, although now for some reason I did not even find a mention of these books on the Internet. Well, what was the name of this author, I, of course, do not remember. Another thing is important: it was striking that, although this is happening at the very beginning of the Anglo-French stories, that is, in 1066, and later, for about 100 years, two-handed swords are regularly mentioned there, as well as the loose hair and white wedding dress of a French noble girl. It was a long time ago, but since then the topic of two-handed swords has bothered me, besides, I even promised it to someone at VO. But then there are no good photos, that is, photos, but there is little information for them. And only now the "stars have converged": there are photographs and there is information, and if so, then you can write ...


A two-handed sword with a pear-shaped pommel; an octagonal wooden handle covered with leather, with a convex molding in the middle and a straight round guard with chiseled balusters; both the crosses and the side rings are made as one piece; a double-edged blade, with a copper-inlaid mark of the master; the ricasso and the side lugs are engraved and gilded with figures of St. Barbara and St. Peter on the one hand, St. Catherine and St. Paul (?) on the other, in the best traditions of the Renaissance. The master is unknown. Made in Milan, approx. 1500-1510 Material and technology: iron, steel, leather, wood and copper; blackening, polishing, turning, etching and gilding. Length: 112,8 cm, blade; length: 37,6 cm, handle; length: 29,8 cm, cross hair; length: 17 cm, ricasso; width: 4,6 cm; weight: 2,46 kg. (c) Wallace Meeting Board of Trustees, London


His hilt. Close-up. (c) Wallace Meeting Board of Trustees, London

Let's start with the fact that the "master of swords" - now legendary Ewart Oakeshott, in his typology singled out swords with long handles in the XX type. At the same time, he was talking about a large sword-bastard ("sword in one and a half-hand"), and about real two-handed swords. The length of their handles is 20-25 cm, the length of the blade is from 90 to 100 cm, and the blade itself is wide, with two or three lobes, and the middle lobe is longer than the lateral ones. The origin of such swords, in his opinion, is as follows. In addition to the usual knightly sword, knights somewhere in the XIV century, that is, in the era of mixed, chain-plate armor, acquired the so-called "swords of war" or "long swords", "battle swords" - just in different countries they were called in their own way ...


The handle of a two-handed "German sword" with a mushroom-shaped pommel of shiny steel, an oval-shaped handle, trimmed with velvet, with two rings, trimmed with leather; horizontally curved round cross-section, decorated with monster heads and ending in curls; side rings on both sides are decorated in the same way; the crosshair and side rings are made in one piece; a double-edged hexagonal blade at the base, with strong ricasso and side protrusions; the ricasso is trimmed with wood and leather with a carved pattern. Perhaps approx. 1540 Germany, Master unknown. Materials: iron or steel, wood, velvet and leather. Length: 127,2 cm, blade; length: 60,2 cm, handle; length: 38 cm, cross hair; length: 11,5 cm, ricasso; width: 4,5 cm; weight: 3,8 kg. (c) Wallace Meeting Board of Trustees, London

Moreover, the French called the "battle sword" "great german sword", Which directly indicates its origin and distribution. At the end of the late Middle Ages and at the stage of transition to the Renaissance, more and more small details appear on swords. First of all, on the cross, the shape of which also changes.


Two-handed sword, approx. 1450 Unknown master. Perhaps England. Length: 117 cm, blade; width: 6 cm; crosshair width 27,9 cm; weight: 2,892 kg. (c) Wallace Meeting Board of Trustees, London


Close-up of its hilt. (c) Wallace Meeting Board of Trustees, London

They were no longer worn at the waist, but on the left at the saddle. And such swords were needed primarily for fighting the infantry, in order to have an advantage over it, and being in the saddle, to be able to reach an infantryman who fell to the ground with such a sword. The difference between swords - bastard and two-handed sword of the Middle Ages, Thomas Laible determines the length of the blade. The first has about 90 cm, the second - about 100. Although they fought with both bastard and two-handed sword with two hands.

However, if the bastard remained a knightly weapon, then the two-handed man began to be used by burghers in everyday life for self-defense. The first could be fenced with both one and two hands, holding the hand on the long pommel, but the second had both hands on the handle. The main thing in this case for us is the chronology - the XIV-XV centuries, the era when they appeared. Before that there were no swords that could be fought with two hands. The weight of such a sword could reach 2,2 kg with a total length of 126 cm and a blade length of 98 cm. But ... as always, but. The same Thomas Laible gives data on the bastard sword made at the end of the XIV century. Its total length is 135 cm, the blade is 106 cm, and its weight is about 2,2 kg. So the difference here is shaky just to the point of disbelief.

Perhaps the most noticeable difference between a two-handed Renaissance sword and a medieval sword will be the protective rings on the crosshairs. There are rings to the left and right of the crosshair - Renaissance, no ... the time is earlier, that is, before 1492, the discovery of America by Columbus. This is Oakeshott's type XX. The replica of such a sword, which Laible speaks of, has a diamond-shaped blade with three valleys, and a parrying ring on the left and right on the crosshair. Length 120 cm, weight 1,6 kg. It is clear that the knights could carry such swords only at the saddle, and used them as weapons for ... "certain" situations.

Later, shorter swords with a complex system of arcs near the crosshair appeared - these were already swords of a transitional form from swords to swords. Such swords have been around since 1500. But they were used later, up to the XNUMXth century.


Classic sword of the early 104,3th century (hilt). Material: iron, steel and copper alloy. Length: 4,9 cm; width: 1,985 cm; weight: XNUMX kg. (c) Wallace Meeting Board of Trustees, London

And now, having clarified the background of the two-handed sword, we will fast forward exactly 100 years and ... find ourselves in the era of its heyday and a very special purpose. The sword simply increased in monstrous size and became the weapon of the infantry. And not just infantry. And the infantry of the Landsknechts. It was used by the warriors of "double salary", who walked in front of the detachment and cut off the ends of the Swiss peaks with them, and then cut them into their ranks.


Two-handed swords and warriors who fought with them: 1. Slasher of the second half of the 2th century. The two hooks in front of the ricasso are designed to "shorten" the handle at some moments of the fight, slow down chopping blows and increase the power of straight blows. The wavy blade was designed to inflict more serious injuries. 3. Espadon, late 4th century. 5. Second half of the 1500th century. 6. End of the 7th century. 8. 1520 9. The middle of the XVI century. This is the Italian "spadone a due mani" (two-handed espadon). 1520. The middle of the XVI century. 10. 11 You can see the guard in the shape of the letter "S". 1580. Soldier in three-quarter armor, 2002 21. Scotsman, XNUMXth century, with claymore (claymore or claid-heamtb-mor). A two-handed sword of this type was usually carried behind the back. XNUMX. Soldier "on a double salary", XNUMX: veterans who fought in the front row and more or less clad in cuirasses received a double salary, hence their name "double-soldes". Illustration from the book by Liliana and Fred Funkenov “Encyclopedia of weapons and military clothing. Middle Ages. Renaissance: Infantry. Cavalry. Artillery. M .: Astrel, XNUMX, p. XNUMX


This is how they fought with these swords in battle. Contemporaries often talked about the danger posed by these "masters of the sword" who, with a single wave of their weapons, put their enemies to flight. But they obviously only intervened on special occasions and made up a tiny percentage of the other foot soldiers. In a drawing by Hans Holbein the Younger, we are shown one "master of the sword" among about thirty pikemen and soldiers with halberds. Illustration from the book by Liliana and Fred Funkenov “Encyclopedia of weapons and military clothing. Middle Ages. Renaissance: Infantry. Cavalry. Artillery. M .: Astrel, 2002, p. 121

Now let's look at this classic two-handed sword with a blackened oval hilt, covered with leather and studded with brass-headed rivets. The crosshairs are bent forward and end in curls. Large side rings are attached to the crosshair on both sides. A double-edged blade with wavy blades, the manufacturer's mark is applied on each side; ricasso trimmed in wood and woven leather with carvings. It is known that Christoph I Stantler, a master gunsmith from Passau, who emigrated to Munich around 1555, designated his products with the sign applied to the blade. A series of two-handed swords with this mark is in the National Museum in Munich; at the Historical Museum in Vienna (one dated to 1575); five are in the Army Museum in Paris and many other places. That is, this master worked very fruitfully!


This sword is from the Wallace Collection. Craftsman Christoph I Stentler (active between 1555-1600), Germany, c. 1600 g. Material: iron or steel, leather, copper alloy and wood. Length: 127,2 cm, blade; length: 34,5 cm, handle; width: 4,9 cm, blade; width: 43,5 cm, crosshairs; weight: 3,3 kg. (c) Wallace Meeting Board of Trustees, London


Close-up of the hilt of this sword. (c) Wallace Meeting Board of Trustees, London

Well, we will tell you more about the two-handed swords of the Renaissance, especially about swords with "flaming" blades next time.

To be continued ...
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka April 17 2021 05: 56
    +16
    The stars came together! Coffee, hot kurnik for breakfast and Vyacheslav Olegovich's flambergs !!!
    What else do you need gentlemen at 07:55 on Saturday !!!!!!
    Sincerely yours, Vlad!
    1. kalibr
      April 17 2021 06: 06
      +15
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      Coffee, hot kurnik for breakfast

      I offer tea with ginger, cottage cheese with avocado, olives, herbs and soy sauce, although chicken is also ... shine!
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins April 17 2021 06: 28
        +12
        Good morning, Vyacheslav Olegovich. How wonderful VO released the continuation of your article!
        To be honest, I thought at the beginning why the picture on the screensaver was changed for yesterday's article, but this is a continuation!
        PS The film, by the way, was watched in the cinema as a child.
        1. kalibr
          April 17 2021 06: 39
          +10
          And good morning and good day to you. A bit strange film, but ... interesting. Especially for that time.
        2. vladcub
          vladcub April 17 2021 16: 53
          +3
          I watched it on TV for the first time. Remember, under the Union on TV there were: "days of culture": Mongolia, Poland or France
      2. Revolver
        Revolver April 17 2021 08: 57
        +3
        Quote: kalibr
        tea with ginger, cottage cheese with avocado, olives, herbs and soy sauce

        And I'm going to have scrambled eggs and - envy - home-baked black rye bread, taken out of the oven the night before. Crispy crust and slightly sticky flesh. Well, Turkish coffee.
        1. atalef
          atalef April 17 2021 09: 02
          +2
          Quote: Nagan
          And I'm going to have scrambled eggs and - envy - home-baked black rye bread, taken out of the oven the night before. Crispy crust and slightly sticky flesh. Well, Turkish coffee.

          good
          perhaps I'll bomb the eggs, and everything else is like Vyacheslav Olegovich
          Quote: kalibr
          cottage cheese with avocado, olives, herbs


          have a nice day, everyone . Thank you Vyachslav Olegovich for another excellent article. fellow
          1. vladcub
            vladcub April 17 2021 16: 39
            +3
            I remember, I remember: "seventeen moments of spring", when Stirlitz with some general was on the train
          2. Revolver
            Revolver April 17 2021 21: 13
            +3
            Quote: atalef
            perhaps I'll bomb the eggs, and everything else is like Vyacheslav Olegovich

            I envy. And for the whole breakfast I have only scrambled eggs for ONE !!! an egg and a half inch thick piece of bread. I am struggling with being overweight. And coffee without anything, no sugar, not even more cream, well, that's how I like to drink coffee. In the old days, a cigarette was still going to this, but for many years I gave it up. At first, so as not to escalate the situation in the family, and now I look at the prices for smoking and restrictions on the rights of smokers, and my soul is glad that I don’t care. By the way, I started to gain weight when I quit smoking.
            1. Looking for
              Looking for April 17 2021 22: 04
              -1
              I wonder how proudly chelovek.naverno rossiyanin.pronounces the word "half-inch."
              1. Revolver
                Revolver April 18 2021 01: 40
                +3
                Quote: Seeker
                pronounces the word "half-inch"

                On the machine. I have lived in America for too long, but as you must know, "to live with wolves is to howl like a wolf." At first I almost had to break myself on my knee, adjusting to the local units of measurement, but now I seem to be used to it.
                Quote: Seeker
                Probably feels like 100% Yankee
                Not at all. Even my children who were born here are different.
                Quote: Seeker
                DISRESPECTED
                Mutually.
        2. Alien From
          Alien From April 17 2021 13: 56
          +5
          And they baked home-style muffins in my bread machine, with mango and raisins) ...... Vyacheslav Olegovich's articles are always delicious good hi
        3. vladcub
          vladcub April 17 2021 16: 47
          +1
          "homemade bread" from a bread maker?
          1. Revolver
            Revolver April 17 2021 18: 55
            +2
            Quote: vladcub
            "homemade bread" from a bread maker?

            No way. In a conventional gas oven.
        4. kalibr
          April 17 2021 17: 16
          +2
          Quote: Nagan
          homemade black rye bread

          Wow! These are envy ... And I eat scrambled eggs in Bulgarian - either with chopped yellow peppers or with red ones.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave April 17 2021 21: 08
            +4
            I usually do it with tomatoes.
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka April 17 2021 22: 01
              +3
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              I usually do it with tomatoes.

              We love it too !!! drinks
            2. Richard
              Richard April 18 2021 10: 52
              +4
              And I love with onions
        5. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave April 17 2021 21: 06
          +4
          Well, Turkish coffee.
          Cooked in hot sand with pepper and garlic?
          1. Revolver
            Revolver April 17 2021 23: 50
            +3
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Cooked in hot sand with pepper and garlic?

            No, pepper and garlic are perversions. Just finely ground Melitta in cezve, but not simple, but cupronickel. Thick walls and high thermal conductivity make it possible to get a result on gas that is no worse than thin-walled copper (and even more so stainless steel) in sand.
      3. Looking for
        Looking for April 17 2021 21: 55
        -1
        The cuckoo praises the rooster for praising the cuckoo.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka April 17 2021 22: 02
          +3
          Quote: Seeker
          The cuckoo praises the rooster for praising the cuckoo.

          Do they take the zvidki? !!! laughing
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku April 18 2021 03: 33
      +4
      What else do you need gentlemen at 07:55 on Saturday !!!!!!

      200 grams, and not go to school. yes Vlad, don't thank! laughing
      Joke. Today I went to one lake near St. Petersburg, left both a fishing rod and a spinning rod - generally on zero. Apparently it's cold ... request
      To our Vyacheslav Olegovich - many thanks for the work! good
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka April 18 2021 04: 47
        +2
        I, Nikolai, also escaped. Only in the village, yesterday I cut the pillars under my mother's fence. It seems monotonous physical labor, but dug up in pleasure.
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor April 17 2021 07: 06
    +7
    The wavy blade is clearly dual use! You can cut wood for a fire at a halt! (Joke, if cho).
    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 17 2021 08: 59
      +3
      Quote: andrewkor
      Wavy blade

      But it is better not to surrender with such a captive, because first they will cut off the ears and nose with their own sword, and then ... in the sense of executions in those days they allowed them to give scope to imagination.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 17 2021 18: 24
        +1
        And I have modest ... chicken recourse stewed in potatoes. But today is Saturday, because of the spices, the main side dish is white vodka, local Samara bottling. In a "guerrilla" container of 5 L, I buy it, and then I keep worrying about it without knowing. fellow
  3. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave April 17 2021 07: 37
    +6
    And what about the national pride of the Scots will not be? request
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt April 17 2021 18: 42
      +4
      I recalled a joke
      .. In ancient times, the formidable Angles crushed the Scottish land. They killed all men, and they raped all women. Since then, the brave Scots began to wear skirts)))
      P.S. but this is only an anecdote. In fact, the Scottish infantry is very much even nothing
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave April 17 2021 21: 34
        +5
        So I meant the William Wallace memorial.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku April 18 2021 03: 40
          +4
          So I meant the William Wallace memorial.

          He finished badly ... according to his own feelings. If you remember, Hugh le Dispenser Jr. was killed in the same way - for sodomy with the king, and other unpleasant features of the life lived ... negative
    2. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku April 18 2021 03: 36
      +3
      And what about the national pride of the Scots will not be?

      Can I give you a plaid skirt, mein libe Freund? wink Do you want to order from Aleksey- "Boltorez"? It will be real, from the most, that neither is, Highlander Scotland! good Can you imagine the pathos - "you come to the object in a kilt" ... repeat All the customers are yours, and the women from the accounting department just stick in a massive rush to lick! drinks
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 April 19 2021 07: 16
        +2
        You still need to get to the object. In a personal car - not that, but public transport can cause a sensation.
  4. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 17 2021 09: 00
    +4
    impeccable Jean Marais

    As it turned out, Jean Mare was far from perfect in terms of orientation! laughing
    According to the article, in Senkevich's "With Fire and Sword" one of the main characters is a master of a two-handed sword, maniacally dreaming of cutting down three enemies with one blow.
    1. Sergey Valov
      Sergey Valov April 17 2021 09: 24
      +5
      "Was far from perfect" - the difficult choice between fame and women was decided in favor of fame.
    2. vladcub
      vladcub April 17 2021 16: 35
      +4
      "to cut down three enemies with one blow" actually I have read Sinkevich for a long time, but it seems there was a vow: until you manage to cut off three heads of adversaries, it does not concern women
    3. kalibr
      April 17 2021 17: 19
      +4
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Jean Mare was far from perfect in terms of orientation!

      You know ... It doesn't matter who you are, it matters who you seem to be!
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  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 17 2021 09: 20
    +3
    Vyacheslav, it’s rare to write a comment, but today there is an opportunity, I’m interested in them, say, combat readiness, how much sword was enough in battle? Indeed, often the metal of the blade was soft or brittle, quickly dull, or even broke in battle. I read it from some historian, now I do not remember that many wealthy knights sometimes carried with them an entire arsenal of swords! For the article, as always, thanks, I read it with pleasure! !! + hi
    1. kalibr
      April 17 2021 17: 20
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      Vyacheslav, I rarely manage to write a comment, but today there is an opportunity, I am interested in them, say, combat readiness, how much was enough sword in battle?

      I can not answer. I haven't read about it anywhere. I'll try to ask my colleagues over ... the seas ...
  6. Undecim
    Undecim April 17 2021 09: 44
    +13
    Let me make a few comments.
    It was necessary to begin the presentation of such a difficult question, with what is a two-handed sword in its modern sense, since there was no such term either in the Middle Ages or in the Renaissance. There were longswords, long swords.
    The division into one-and-a-half-handed swords and two-handed swords appeared already in the XNUMXth century, when weapons science began to form as a science, and swords became collectible items.
    The one-and-a-half-handed sword was held in two hands, but its weight and balance allowed for a one-handed grip. Due to its size and weight, a two-handed sword could only be fenced with two hands. At the same time, the handle of a real two-handed sword should not just contain two hands, but should be long enough so that there is a distance between the hands holding it, which provides a lever and the greater the possible distance between the arms, the easier it will be for the attacker to maneuver a long and heavy blade blow or defensive counterattack.
    Therefore, in the classification of Oakeshot, who divided swords according to their shape, there is no type strictly for a two-handed sword. Obviously this is correct, since a sword of the same shape could be one and a half-handed or two-handed.
    According to Oakeshot, the two-handed sword of the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries. - this is not at all a weapon for specialized purposes, but a sample of conventional weapons that has dimensions larger than standard ones: at the end of the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries. - type XII or subtype XIIIa, and in the XV century. - type
    XV or XVIII.
  7. Free wind
    Free wind April 17 2021 10: 41
    +2
    In a snotty childhood, having read about two-handed swords, I imagined something like a chainsaw "Friendship". In those days, making wavy swords was quite laborious. Yes, and all these squiggles, rather in this place the weapon will break.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 April 19 2021 07: 17
      +1
      Associations with a two-handed saw?
  8. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket April 17 2021 10: 44
    0
    Thank you for the article. Informative and interesting .... I look forward to continuing. hi
    1. kalibr
      April 17 2021 17: 22
      +2
      And that's all Denis, that's enough. Request, Anton tell about ... I fulfilled. The Renaissance ended and ... the two-handed man died. European. But there were many Japanese swords ...
  9. paco.soto
    paco.soto April 17 2021 11: 13
    +1
    Thank you for the articles!
    I apologize for the offtopic: I noticed such a detail behind me - I read your articles with rudimentary interest, like a schoolboy. It was in our childhood - to regularly run in a company to museums for the whole day (to the annoyance of the old ladies on duty). Now, with a smile, I plunge into this atmosphere of curiosity again.
  10. Undecim
    Undecim April 17 2021 12: 03
    +7
    An interesting point, a good photo of a classic two-handed sword is not easy to find. On the net, one can often find either clearly one-and-a-half-handed swords, passed off as two-handed ones, or the intimidating Bidenhänder of landsknechts.
    One was found in the storerooms of Livrustkammaren, and even then thanks to the Swedish Fencing Federation, which in 2004 held an exhibition in honor of its centenary and at it the sword was presented.

    Two-handed sword from the collection of Charles XV. XVI century. Judging by the running wolf etched onto the ricasso, it was made in Passau.
    Length - 1790 mm, blade length - 1250 mm, respectively, handle length - 570 mm. Blade width - 49 mm. Weight: 4630g
    1. vostok68
      vostok68 April 18 2021 06: 59
      +1
      What kind of power do you need to have in order to swing an almost 5-kilogram sword for a sufficient time?
    2. Saxahorse
      Saxahorse April 18 2021 20: 36
      0
      Judging by the size (1790 mm), this is a full-fledged Zweikhander! As far as I understand, such swords were also distinguished by their sharpening, or rather, such a blade was sharpened no more than half. The second half of the blade is designed for a wide grip, like a short spear.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim April 18 2021 20: 49
        0
        Ricasso of this sword is only 75 mm. And if you look at the weight, it is more of a ceremonial sword, Paradeschwert, and not a full-fledged Zweihänder.
        1. Saxahorse
          Saxahorse April 18 2021 21: 23
          0
          Quote: Undecim
          Ricasso of this sword is only 75 mm

          Hard to believe. In your photo, the projections resembling a counter guard are located almost in the middle of the blade. This is what distinguishes this sword from the obviously ceremonial flambergs in the photo with a useless counter guard right at the hilt.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim April 18 2021 21: 37
            +1
            Hard to believe.
            I see no obstacles. You can go to Livrustkammaren and measure, the sword is kept in their storerooms under No. 16662 (5012).
            There are no protrusions in the middle of the blade. This is the corner of the fencebook page in the background.
            Not only flambergs were ceremonial.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim April 18 2021 21: 42
              +2
              The same sword in a different light.
              1. Saxahorse
                Saxahorse April 18 2021 22: 24
                0
                I'm not ready to argue, although it looks strange:


                Really like overlaying a background picture.
                "There are miracles! There the devil wanders!" (FROM) wassat
  11. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer April 17 2021 12: 49
    0
    Interesting article. We look forward to continuing. Written well on Saturday morning)))
    1. kalibr
      April 17 2021 17: 37
      +3
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Written well on Saturday morning)))

      Unfortunately no. It plows well in the country on Saturday morning. And all this is written for weeks ... both in the morning and in the evening.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim April 18 2021 07: 18
        0
        It plows well in the country on Saturday morning
        They plow at work, rest in the country.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer April 26 2021 12: 20
          0
          Everyone's dachas are different))) someone is sitting in a sun lounger thinking about the global problems of mankind, with a glass of Scottish))) someone is standing with cancer in the beds))) but this is also a summer cottage)))
  12. Darkness
    Darkness April 17 2021 14: 17
    0
    -Os my sword - your head from shoulders !!! The Russian literature probably contains the same thing ..
  13. vladcub
    vladcub April 17 2021 16: 20
    +1
    "they were no longer worn by you at the belt, but on the left at the saddle" it is natural to constantly carry 2 "fools" per kg per hour - a little stress
  14. Monar
    Monar April 17 2021 16: 42
    +1
    Something vague doubts torment me. Having put on only leather armor, the soldiers went out into the field to wave a piece of iron, which sometimes was not inferior to their height?
    But this does not fit in my head at all.
    chopping off the ends of the Swiss peak with them, and then cutting with them into their ranks.
    Has anyone tried to cut a birch with such a sword, according to that technology, made-sharpened, at least 50mm?
    Well, even so. He cut through the brave peaks of the enemies. I got into the system. So what is next? Yes, while he lifts this bandura for swing, he will receive a pendal to complete incapacity.
    1. Walking
      Walking April 17 2021 16: 59
      +1
      On YouTube there are videos where different carcasses or dummies are cut with similar swords.
      1. Monar
        Monar April 18 2021 08: 16
        0
        Do not specify? What do you (or YouTube) mean by "swords like this"? The shape and size are the same and ...? "Steel grade. Heat treatment methods. Sharpening technique.
    2. Undecim
      Undecim April 17 2021 17: 00
      +3
      The spades were not cut. The peaks were taken to the side. Moreover, the shaft was protected by metal splints. It is a deep-rooted delusion about the cutting of the peak.
      1. kalibr
        April 17 2021 17: 38
        +1
        Quote: Undecim
        metal splints.

        Where the splints ended, they just chopped.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim April 17 2021 17: 40
          +3
          Have you seen this cabin yourself? In order to cut a pike, how do you cut it?
          1. kalibr
            April 17 2021 17: 46
            +2
            I didn't see it, I just read about it. But ... it seems that they were long ... having broken through the line of the arrowheads, the swordsman could strike to the left, could to the right. The end of the shaft outweighed and rested against the ground, and here it was easy to cut it. A blow from the bottom up - the tree goes up, from top to bottom - goes into the ground, pushed through and ... chop to the left, chop to the right, jab forward if ...
            1. Undecim
              Undecim April 17 2021 20: 08
              +5
              Above in my commentary is a two-handed sword, weight 4 kg 630 grams, length almost 2 meters. And here is a five-kilogram two-meter dumbbell "the swordsman could strike to the left, he could to the right."? And the pikemen stand motionless with their mouths open, watching as" swordsman to the left, swordsman to the right, up, down "? Is this in a dense crowd with a two-meter sword?
              Therefore, modern researchers are inclined to believe that the peaks were retracted to the side in order to wedge into the pikemen's formation, then the swordsman switched to the half-sword or halbschwert technique, I gave an illustration in the commentary to the first article. Moreover, these techniques are described in detail in all fencing books. But there are no spear-cutting techniques anywhere, not in a single fencebook.
            2. Daddy pig
              Daddy pig 2 October 2021 07: 41
              -1
              )))))) it is necessary to open a school of "medieval pico-cutting", just do not forget to clarify that "theoretical!")))

              In general, this is very funny))
              I read that they were chopping .. well, then they were chopping! What is there, business, went into the system of pikemen, and once or twice, up and down!

              The author, as always, burns
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  16. ee2100
    ee2100 April 17 2021 17: 56
    +4
    Yes, the article suffers due to the fact that the author did not bother to talk about the methods of using these swords in battle.
    The two-handed sword, of course, is beautiful and effective, and the tactics of fighting had to be adjusted to it.
    There are many videos on YouTube about this weapon, but this is usually a "duel", and its use in battle is extremely protester. I agree with Mikhail, chopping pikes is not realistic, but using two-handed swords when defending the flanks is possible.
    It seems that no one mentioned the sharpened guards.
  17. WapentakeLokki
    WapentakeLokki April 17 2021 18: 57
    +1
    ... a lot of incomprehensible things .. for example - the material is iron or steel ... but even steel then what (homogeneous or like in the film the Ring of the Nibelungen from X-rods) ??? and how sharpening (if the medieval piece of iron had it at all (I heard that the sword did not cut with sharpness, but with the mass multiplied by the speed, washing the chain mail and crushing the armor) and hence the question, how were the shafts at the peak and the halberd cut off ??? - what ??? and how to sharpen this, and if you use it like a hacksaw on wood (yeah on a bone), then it is better to use notches like that of a Rimbaud knife (whoever saw the movie Black Arrow will remember the final scene where ... well, look for yourself) .. in general, of course, based on such films as Highlander (with his clemora) or Flesh and Blood (where Rutger Hauer shone) well, or the newest Witcher ... then yeah ... two-handed death scythe but if you think about it ... how it was there 1000 years ago then .. it is not clear ...
    py.sy and, in general, in close combat, it is more suitable for a 2-meter flamberg and a Roman gladius ...
    1. kalibr
      April 17 2021 20: 22
      +3
      Quote: WapentakeLokki
      a lot of incomprehensible.

      A lot, you are right. There are books with pictures. There are descriptions in Old German. But how did it all work in reality? There is data on metallography of blades, but "how they sharpened", there is no. That is, having shoveled a lot of literature, you often do not find the answer, but instead of one question, 10 new ones. But the reconstruction does not give answers either. Modern people who watched movies, with a modern mentality ... with modern big hands, gorged on Snickers, are not at all equal to the then small peasants.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 17 2021 23: 57
        +1
        I read somewhere that there were two variants of flambergs. The first was just a straight sword, sharpened onto a wavy blade. The second was originally forged wavy. The second option was significantly stronger and much more expensive.
        1. kalibr
          April 18 2021 06: 21
          +1
          Quote: Nagan
          The second was originally forged wavy. The second option was significantly stronger and much more expensive.

          Exactly!
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  19. vostok68
    vostok68 April 18 2021 06: 28
    +1
    Thank you, very informative, I used to think that some part of a fairy tale! But no, it was actually, I hope my level of erudition has increased a little thanks to you!
  20. Monar
    Monar April 18 2021 08: 29
    0
    Quote: Undecim
    for half-sword technique

    But this seems more logical to me. It was not for nothing that plate gloves (mittens) also had protection for the palms. Even if the skin is rough. Which, in my humble opinion, is quite enough for such a grip of swords of that time.
    By the way, again in my opinion for the sofa, this explains the wavy sharpening. So that your hand does not slip off the blade.
  21. sivuch
    sivuch April 18 2021 08: 40
    +1
    A two-handed sword of this type was usually carried behind the back.
    I am plagued by vague doubts that he was worn like this only in Hollywood films. Why would landsknechts wear two-handed hands like a shovel on their shoulders, and scots - behind their backs?
    1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
      Andrey Krasnoyarsky April 18 2021 13: 21
      +1
      You can carry a sword on your back either in Hollywood films, or on a long walk, with one hundred percent guarantee that no one will attack. Getting a sword from behind (especially a two-handed sword) is inconvenient, dreary and long. Therefore, not book-cinema, but real fighters in combat conditions wore it on their shoulders.
      1. agond
        agond April 18 2021 21: 06
        +1
        How can I not remember J. Silver and his "Paradoxes of Defense" where he compares the advantages of different combinations of weapons
        "The two-handed sword has precedence over sword and tarch, sword and buckler, sword and dagger, or rapier and dagger ....
        A battle ax, halberd, black bill or similar weapons in weight used in guarding or combat are equal in combat and have an advantage over a two-handed sword,
        A short pole or half-pike, forest bill, protazan or glaive, or other similar weapon of ideal length has precedence over a battle-ax, halberd, black bill, two-handed sword, sword, and tarch. And also against two swords and daggers or two rapiers and daggers with gloves. "
        This Silver was a versatile fellow, he even wrote at what time of day, in terms of lighting (day, twilight, night) it is better to use this or that weapon
  22. Michael
    Michael April 18 2021 21: 45
    0
    I have to work with a hammer 0.8 and a sledgehammer 2.0 kg - seeing such characters with such pieces of iron, I will run away into the forest.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 20 2021 04: 57
      0
      And I'm not scared, I have a revolver.
  23. PhilipKDick
    PhilipKDick April 20 2021 17: 50
    0
    Hello. Great article. Thank you.
  24. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet April 20 2021 19: 00
    0
    Better write about Russia ... We also had a lot of things ...