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American press: Russian S-400 complexes haunt the United States

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India and Turkey, being allies of the United States, are buying Russian S-400 air defense systems. This worries the United States, but it is difficult to say whether the Americans will impose sanctions on their partners.


This topic is discussed by Chris Osborne in his article published by the American magazine The National Interest.

Even the American press draws attention to the fact that the Russian S-400 systems haunt the United States. Of course, they are unpleasant that such systems are in service with China, with which the United States has strained relations. But Washington imposes sanctions without any hesitation for acquiring complexes from the Russian Federation, even against its own allies.

India and Turkey, they are considered American allies, but even here Washington's position is tough. When journalists asked this question (why the sanctions were imposed or are going to be imposed) to US Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin - regarding Turkey, he gave just a "brilliant" answer.

There will be no need for sanctions, provided that, in fact, the S-400 will not be purchased.

- he declared, puzzling reporters with his words.

And regarding India, he noted that in fact, the delivery of S-400 complexes to this country from Russia has not yet taken place, and therefore it is too early to discuss sanctions.

At the same time, he called on countries whose leadership is considering the possibility of acquiring Russian air defense systems to abandon this idea and not make purchases that could lead to the imposition of American sanctions against them.

The foreign media notes that in fact the US military recognized the ability of the Russian S-400 air defense systems to damage the American aviationincluding 5th generation F-35 fighters.
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Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 26 March 2021 16: 50
    +15
    Mattresses are interested in selling their "patriots", which are worse in performance than the earlier S-300, and at a price more expensive than the S-500.
    Nothing personal just business.
    1. Guru
      Guru 26 March 2021 17: 23
      +4
      Mattresses are interested in selling their "patriots", which are worse in performance than the earlier S-300, and at a price more expensive than the S-500.
      Nothing personal just business.
      Can you immediately justify why the Americans refused to sell the Patriots to Turkey, if it's just a business?
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 26 March 2021 18: 08
        +3
        it is noted that, in fact, the US military has recognized the ability of the Russian S-400 air defense systems to inflict damage on American aviation, including the 5th generation F-35 fighters.


        Oops! Wow what (suddenly lol )! Who would have thought what ... The F-35 itself ...

        The truncated is gone !!!
      2. ksv36
        ksv36 26 March 2021 19: 43
        +3
        They are afraid of embarrassment. They sold the Arabs, so these "missile defense systems" could not even shoot down self-made missiles. Shame A.
      3. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 27 March 2021 08: 17
        0
        Within the framework of the same business, an indispensable part of which is extortion. Just to sell your poles later and get additional preferences.
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 27 March 2021 14: 02
          0
          The loosening of allied relations among the Yankees has already begun, but it is now haunted by the S-400 minke whales, but the mattress mats will begin to click their teeth with fear when the Russian Federation begins to slowly sell the S-500 to the Yankees allies, taking the used S-400 as a bonus.
    2. mvg
      mvg 26 March 2021 18: 34
      .
      which in terms of characteristics are worse than the early S-300

      Maybe you will publish real combat victories of the S-300 ... well, at least something was shot down, well, at least a Chinese UAV or AN-2 of the Azerbaijani Air Force .. at least something.
      Then you can write such posts competently ..
      Maybe some infa is on the price tags for the Patriot PAK-3 or S-500
      1. ksv36
        ksv36 26 March 2021 19: 47
        +6
        Do you need it? Want to buy? There were no worthy targets for the S-300 yet. It's not about drones to smack one of them.
        1. mvg
          mvg 26 March 2021 22: 04
          -6
          There were no worthy targets for the S-300 yet.

          Therefore, in Karabakh, Armenians were butchered into nuts, and in Syria, Damascus, Dein Zoor and other central provinces are bombed weekly.
          Do you think Delilah is cheaper than the 9M82 / 83 missile defense system, and Bayraktar or Hermes are cheaper than the 5V55R missile defense system, but there is nothing to say about the F-16/35.
          PS: "Decent" targets, as I understand it, are the IL-20, or MH17
          PPPS: Patriots at least from time to time shoot down something, SCADs or SHAHABs. Only our media do not write about this, they prefer to brainwash their heads with the fact that the S-300/400 are the best in the world.
          1. ksv36
            ksv36 27 March 2021 16: 24
            0
            If they start talking S-300 and others like them, it will not seem a little to everyone. Don't make us angry.
            1. mvg
              mvg 27 March 2021 20: 39
              0
              Don't make us angry

              But the fact that? wink Will you complain to your mom or won't you do your homework?
              1. ksv36
                ksv36 28 March 2021 10: 19
                0
                It was my grandson's turn to complain to the mother and to do the lessons. Yes, yours, along the way. Teach.
          2. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock April 9 2021 17: 12
            0
            Quote: mvg
            PPPS: Patriots at least from time to time shoot down something, SCADs or SHAHABs. Only our media do not write about this, they prefer to brainwash their heads with the fact that the S-300/400 are the best in the world.

            And what did the patriots shoot down in Saudi Arabia during the strike on the oil storage facility? Nothing.
        2. Grits
          Grits 27 March 2021 02: 02
          -1
          Quote: ksv36
          There were no worthy targets for the S-300 yet.

          In Syria, these goals are a dime a dozen. The truth is mainly fly over Lebanon. But everyone is afraid to show the capabilities of the S-300. And many doubts have already crept in - maybe, really, there is nothing special to show? After all, the S-300/400 did not shoot down a single target during its entire existence. We are offered to just take our word for it. What a sect of "witnesses to the infallibility of the S-300"
          1. hydrox
            hydrox 27 March 2021 14: 08
            0
            You want to spoil relations with the Jews with one start, but this is only necessary for you, not for Russia. But our Il-76s fly over Syria like at home (the most recent case was 3 planes a week ago) ...
            Who else is not satisfied with this alignment?
            1. mvg
              mvg 27 March 2021 20: 43
              0
              But our IL-76 fly over Syria like at home

              Like the Americans, Turks, French and, in part, Jews ... They are not ashamed of anyone. But mainly Syrian and Russian cars are falling. And scores to count, not counting those damaged on the ground.
      2. venik
        venik 26 March 2021 21: 44
        +2
        Quote: mvg
        Maybe some infa is on the price tags for the Patriot PAK-3 or S-500

        ========
        As for the S-500 - this is a "dark" case and is not subject to disclosure, but the fact that the S-400 twice cheaper "Patriot PAC-3" is a fact.
        The S-400 complex (the division is the minimum autonomous system, with all the "bells and whistles" and 8 launchers), costs the buyer $ 0,5 billion, and 2 batteries PAC-3, with the same 8 PU - in billion! Those. - twice as expensive!
        Somewhere like that! hi
        1. mvg
          mvg 26 March 2021 22: 11
          -4
          Somewhere like that!

          I disagree. $ 800 million cost Iran S-300PMU-2,
          $ 2,5 billion cost Turkey 2 S-400 divisions
          $ 2 billion cost China two regimental sets of S-400 + missiles
          PS: Do not read Wiki and what they write about 0.5 billion or 30 billion rubles. See at least some figures of real contracts.
          1. venik
            venik 26 March 2021 23: 07
            +5
            Quote: mvg
            I disagree. $ 800 million cost Iran S-300PMU-2

            ========
            4 (FOUR, Karl!) S-300 PMU2 battalions (i.e. 4 complexes!) Were delivered to Iran. Divide 800 by 4 and get .... $ 200 million for a set of 4 batteries (8 PU !!!). "Patriot PAC-3" in 1 billion (i.e. 5 (five, Karl!) Times more expensive !!!
            ------------
            Quote: mvg
            $ 2,5 billion cost Turkey 2 S-400 divisions
            $ 2 billion cost China two regimental sets of S-400 + missiles

            =========
            Have you noticed the discrepancy yourself? In one case - the S-300 PMU-2, in the other - the S-400 (and they are more expensive). Almost the same amount cost Turkey 2 divisions (one regimental set), and China - as many as 4 (two regimental kit) S-400!
            What does this mean? Yes, that the concept of CONTRACT means not only the supply of a certain number of pieces of equipment, but can also include the supply of a specified amount of ammunition (missiles), personnel training (if necessary), the supply of spare parts, components, consumables, maintenance for a certain period and etc. etc. ..... Hence the conclusion: if we compare - then contracts for similar conditions (for example, the PRC had experience in operating the S-300 and their Chinese clones, and had missiles compatible with the S-400, but the Turks did not !. Therefore, it is necessary to compare "comparable" things (for example, the cost of the contract for the supply of the S-400 to Turkey and PAC-3 to Saudi Arabia) ...
            Well, somewhere like that .... hi
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 26 March 2021 23: 31
              -4
              The numbers are not the same.

              China bought 2 regimental kits (4 divisions in total) for $ 3 billion and a bold kit:
              "The delivery to China of the second S-400 regimental set consisting of a command post, two battalions of launchers, radar stations, power and auxiliary equipment, spare parts and tools has been completed. The customer also received more than 120 newest anti-aircraft guided missiles of two types."
              https://topwar.ru/167160-kitaj-pokupaet-s-400-i-ukrepljaet-svoju-pvo-s-pomoschju-rossii.html

              Turkey bought 4 S-400 divisions for $ 2,5 billion.
              https://ria.ru/20171227/1511784158.html

              So
              for the S-400 division is 0,625-0,75 billion $
              For the regiment $ 1,25 -1,5 billion
              That did not go far from Patriot (I believe your $ 1 billion figure, too lazy to rummage through the supplies and look for the exact figure). The S-400 has a command post for two PU divisions, not the fact that the Patriot also has.

              In general, if the products are equivalent, then their price is approximately the same, regardless of the place of production.
              1. venik
                venik 27 March 2021 00: 09
                +1
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                In general, if the products are equivalent, then their price is approximately the same, regardless of the place of production.

                =======
                And here you are, my friend, as the "classic" used to say: "They are not pgava in the cognac"! Systems work internal pricing!
                Alas! hi
            2. mvg
              mvg 27 March 2021 20: 58
              0
              Iran was supplied with 4 (FOUR, Karl!)

              // According to NG sources, two S-300 divisions have been delivered, each of which is one anti-aircraft missile system with a full set of special vehicles included in the system. //
              An advance payment of $ 1 billion was received,
              According to unofficial data, 4 divisions will be delivered, the total contract for $ 4.2 billion.
              This is what I found for February 2020. One complex at the nuclear power plant, another at Tehran.
              When there was a "turmoil" with the United States, 2 S-300 divisions were considered, and when the Jews flew to reconnaissance F-35s, 2 divisions were also considered.
              Have you noticed the discrepancy yourself? In one case - the S-300 PMU-2, in the other - the S-400 (and they are more expensive). Almost the same amount cost Turkey 2 divisions (one regimental set), and China - as much as 4 (two regimental sets) S-400!

              No inconsistency.
              Depends on the contract, how many missiles, how many simulators, what training, what kind of service .. no one discloses the details of the contract. Won Rafali $ 200 million each, and the Brazilian Grippens $ 150 million overboard. Although the price of the first is not more expensive than 100, and the second is 39-50 million
              PS: And see above, what is the total cost of the contract with Iran.
      3. kulinar
        kulinar 26 March 2021 22: 30
        -4
        Quote: mvg
        which in terms of characteristics are worse than the early S-300

        Maybe you will publish real combat victories of the S-300 ... well, at least something was shot down, well, at least a Chinese UAV or AN-2 of the Azerbaijani Air Force .. at least something.
        Then you can write such posts competently ..
        Maybe some infa is on the price tags for the Patriot PAK-3 or S-500

        The minuses were crammed with "hurray patriots" ..
        But in essence, when was the C300 used in combat and beyond?
  2. knn54
    knn54 26 March 2021 16: 55
    +5
    Well, there are no American "bookmarks" there.
  3. cniza
    cniza 26 March 2021 16: 55
    +2
    This worries the United States, but it is difficult to say whether the Americans will impose sanctions on their partners.


    So they have already introduced against Turkey ...
    1. dzvero
      dzvero 26 March 2021 18: 21
      0
      Partial. Now the calculations will be forbidden to rest in Antalya oops, in Hawaii and won't say hello at joint exercises ...
  4. Cananecat
    Cananecat 26 March 2021 16: 56
    +4
    Quote: Stroibat stock
    Nothing personal just business.

    Rather, they are afraid of the discrediting of the F-35 by the S-400 complexes, if this happens, and this happens, billions of dollars of the deal will fail. For the silence of the Turks, when buying an F-35, mattresses will pay very dearly.
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 26 March 2021 17: 13
      +3
      winked But what is there to be afraid of then? They showed themselves "in all their glory" even without the S-400. It's too late to fuss about the virginity of the bride when the belly sticks out. laughing
  5. Prisoner
    Prisoner 26 March 2021 17: 10
    +2
    These mattresses are still interesting animals. S-400 weapon DEFENSE! Why should they bother like? It seems that this concern is akin to the fears of a raider - suddenly the intended victim is armed.
    1. cniza
      cniza 26 March 2021 18: 13
      +3
      Naturally, but they are still concerned about the sale of their complexes and they do not want to compete, they want to dominate ...
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 26 March 2021 18: 27
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        they are still concerned about the sale of their complexes and they do not want to compete, they want to dominate ...

        Have you noticed that the mention of the Patriots and their deals has dropped sharply in the press? What domination is already here ...))
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 March 2021 18: 31
          +3
          Quote: Canecat
          What domination is already here ...))


          But I really want to ...
      2. Prisoner
        Prisoner 26 March 2021 19: 07
        +1
        Well, in this area they will not be able to dominate anyway. Unless the internal enemy reaches the Kremlin in its entirety. But the most important thing is the school. Preserving the school and ensuring continuity is thought to be very important. Fortunately, the Russian land is rich in talents. Only it is more and more difficult to find them now. Ahead of every riffraff rushing.
        1. cniza
          cniza 26 March 2021 19: 10
          +2
          It may sound strange, but they are primarily interested in the sale of their products and earnings ...
          1. Prisoner
            Prisoner 26 March 2021 19: 20
            +3
            Capitalism, ulcerate it up and down! Ours created systems primarily for defense (the memory of the massive Luftwaffe raids was fresh). Therefore, quality was in the first place, and therefore were ahead of the rest. The market was in second place. What will happen next, life will show. Only the sky needs to be protected at 100. Too much "partners".
            1. cniza
              cniza 26 March 2021 19: 35
              +3
              Absolutely, their money is more interesting, and they do not know what massive raids are ...
  6. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose 26 March 2021 17: 15
    +9
    Russian complexes S-400 haunt the United States

    As a matter of fact, they were created for this.
  7. Cowbra
    Cowbra 26 March 2021 17: 49
    +1
    Yes, they have complexes ... Mattresses should be brought to a psychiatrist
  8. Tusv
    Tusv 26 March 2021 19: 09
    -2
    Our sales department does not know how to work at all. But the term "Promotion" has Russian roots. Don't believe me? Wash your ears? Take a simple abacus, an abacus in their language, and let's rinse the fish soup. How much does American democracy cost? At least 2% of GDP in the US pocket. You have a scanty rollback. You will earn three times more on the development of the complex. The S-400 regiment only needs about a lard. Sheer pennies compared to even one Patriot battery, not to mention two percent. And you still have to pay extra for using satellites. Further. There are very aggressive countries such as Israel, Japan, Australia, which have this wunderfall. And the hell will bomb you. Of course, if you buy the S-400. And sanctions like CAPSNA are easy to get around. Ruble loan. Well, as a last resort, do some plastic surgery and buy a completely legitimate passport. Solve the same Polyakov, for example. Just look at how Erdogan has become insolent. This is because he has an S-400, and you chew snot bully
    1. Usher
      Usher 26 March 2021 21: 15
      -1
      But the term "Promotion" has Russian roots. Don't believe me? Wash your ears?
      Are you a "radnover"? What kind of nonsense are you pushing with words?
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 27 March 2021 10: 57
        +1
        What's wrong with my ad campaign bully There is a "string of tightly packed syllogisms"
        1. hydrox
          hydrox 27 March 2021 14: 22
          0
          But "promotion" great !! good
  9. Viktor Afanasev
    Viktor Afanasev 26 March 2021 21: 09
    +1
    The S-400 haunts? wink
    Take a sedative, Vicodin will help laughing laughing laughing

  10. Usher
    Usher 26 March 2021 21: 13
    0
    The foreign media noted that in fact the US military recognized the ability of the Russian S-400 air defense systems to damage American aviation, including the 5th generation F-35 fighters.
    why do the Americans want to use the F-35 against their allies? Judging by the logic of the words, they are like why do you buy something that can shoot down our plane. So they are planning something?
    1. Guru
      Guru 26 March 2021 21: 25
      +1
      why do the Americans want to use the F-35 against their allies? Judging by the logic of the words, they are like why do you buy something that can shoot down our plane. So they are planning something?
      No colleague, just the Americans are pushing bullshit at the price of gold. And their main trump card is the "Stealth" technology, but if everyone understands that "Stealth" is bullshit, then no one will buy the Fu-35.
  11. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 26 March 2021 21: 56
    -1
    Something will pass through the square and the journalists will call it S-500. For example, I can't tell the S-300 from the S-400 on TV, but I don't need it. I think they will show you when they begin to put on duty in the troops. Why scare the partners ahead of time, they have not yet departed from the S-400.
    1. Guru
      Guru 26 March 2021 22: 52
      0
      Gennady S300 is almost impossible to distinguish from S-400.