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"All missiles hit the peg": the Ministry of Defense completed the stage of flight design tests of "Zircon"

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"All missiles hit the peg": the Ministry of Defense completed the stage of flight design tests of "Zircon"

The Ministry of Defense has completed the stage of flight-design tests (LKI) of the Zircon hypersonic missile from a surface launch vehicle. It is reported by TASS with reference to a source in the DIC.


According to the source, the stage of flight-design tests of the Zircon from the board of the frigate Admiral Gorshkov has been completed, and in the near future the stage of state tests will begin, within the framework of which several launches will take place.

The LKI "Zircon" with the use of the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" has been successfully completed. Four launches have been completed. All missiles hit the "peg" (the center of the conditional circle in which the missile should hit)

- leads news source word agency.

In December 2020, the Ministry of Defense announced that state tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile would begin in 2021 immediately after the completion of the flight test stage. A total of 7 Zircon launches will be carried out, two of them will take place during the flight-design test stage, and another 5 - state tests. The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" and the multipurpose submarine of project 885 (code "Ash") "Severodvinsk" will take part in the tests.

In early March, data appeared that the Ministry of Defense intends to accelerate the Zircon test program with the aim of adopting the missile into service in the first half of 2022. According to the source, test launches of missiles from surface and submarine carriers will now go in parallel, and not in turn, as previously reported.
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  1. NDR-791
    NDR-791 26 March 2021 07: 47
    +3
    Somehow it's not entirely clear:
    1. A total of 7 Zircon launches will be carried out, two of them will take place during the flight test phase, another 5 - state tests.
    2. The LKI "Zircon" with the use of the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" has been successfully completed. Four launches have been completed.
    Where is the truth? Something went wrong? Or is it conceived, but the source does not know?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 26 March 2021 07: 52
      +23
      Quote: NDR-791
      Or is it conceived, but the source does not know?

      the journalist apparently draws inspiration from several news articles.
      disregarding obvious inconsistencies in such compilation
      probably the pace is important here - the number of articles per working day
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 26 March 2021 07: 54
        +10
        1. Entanglement
        2. Bullying
        3. Punishment of the innocent
        4. Rewarding the uninvolved wassat
        The main thing that the adoption of the rocket into service in the first half of 2022. the terms did not go to the right.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 26 March 2021 08: 01
          +3
          Re-read.
          Yes, comrades Ros 56 and Andrey from Chelyabinsk are right. This time nothing happened.
        2. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 26 March 2021 10: 02
          +2
          The main thing is to put the rocket into service in the first half of 2022. the terms did not go to the right.
          Not only. The main thing is that, subject to the deadlines for adoption, missiles without "childhood illnesses" go into the army.
        3. bayard
          bayard 26 March 2021 11: 47
          +4
          Quote: NDR-791
          The main thing is to put the rocket into service in the first half of 2022. the terms did not go to the right.

          That is why they are accelerating because next year Admiral Golovko is to enter service, Admiral Nakhimov is to return to service, and Yasen-M will already go into service - we need to arm it.
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 26 March 2021 07: 55
      +6
      the stage of flight-design tests of "Zircon" from the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" has been completed, in the near future the stage of state tests will begin, within the framework of which several launches will take place.

      Read carefully again. hi
    3. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay 26 March 2021 07: 55
      +1
      Well, a link to the source. And the source is such a loose concept that it is not clear whether it is worth believing there something.
    4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 March 2021 07: 55
      +18
      Quote: NDR-791
      Where is the truth?

      Artem, written is not contradictory.
      There will be 7 launches in total. 4 made with Gorshkov
      stage of flight design tests "Zircon" from the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" hung

      The remaining 3 will be from another ship - "Severodvinsk"
      The frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" and the multipurpose submarine of project 885 (code "Ash") "Severodvinsk" will take part in the tests.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 26 March 2021 07: 58
        +3
        I understood!!! Everyone sees how he sees. Well, the framework of LCI and GI are indicated then why. Although all this is not essential. We flew without jambs and hit without jambs. And this is the main thing! Good luck on the tests !!!
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 26 March 2021 08: 06
          +12
          Quote: NDR-791
          Well, the framework of LCI and GI are indicated then why.

          Because the presentation in the article suffers. You just had to write that 7 of the 4 planned launches were carried out from the Gorshkov, then there would be no questions
    5. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 09: 34
      +3
      Quote: NDR-791
      Somehow it's not entirely clear:

      Yes, this is not the main thing. The main thing is that the day begins with long-awaited and wonderful news. I hope and believe that the state. tests will be held "in a peg".
      1. Operator
        Operator 26 March 2021 10: 13
        -9
        You did not understand: the "peg" is Israel bully
      2. Subtext
        Subtext 26 March 2021 13: 52
        +3
        I hope and believe that the state. tests will be held "in a peg".

        The mention of the "peg" speaks of a complete misunderstanding of the performance of missile (and even more so, test) firing
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 13: 55
          +3
          Quote: Subtext

          The mention of the "peg" speaks of a complete misunderstanding of the performance of missile (and even more so, test) firing

          Well, enlighten us who do not understand. What is the problem?
          1. Subtext
            Subtext 26 March 2021 14: 06
            +1
            Like that. The point is closed with zeros, which is natural.
            The receiving field has anchor points (pegs). Wherever the product is, they inform about these very stakes. Information is summarized, and accuracy is judged.
            That is, if you hit the stake, you just missed.
            1. not main
              not main 26 March 2021 20: 36
              +2
              Quote: Subtext
              Like that. The point is closed with zeros, which is natural.
              The receiving field has anchor points (pegs). Wherever the product is, they inform about these very stakes. Information is summarized, and accuracy is judged.
              That is, if you hit the stake, you just missed.

              Exactly, but vice versa!
            2. Sergey Sfiedu
              Sergey Sfiedu 28 March 2021 03: 46
              +1
              In general, in the near-military circles it was believed that the "Zircon" - an anti-ship missile system with an ARL of the GOS. And then there are "pegs" in whatever format. Either the author whistles, or the GOS was not involved in the tests (what the hell are such tests?), Or there is no GOS at all.
    6. yehat2
      yehat2 26 March 2021 09: 51
      +2
      I also have one more question - how long do all the zircon tests take?
      according to what I've read, it has been published for over 3.5 years. Not too much?
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 26 March 2021 10: 12
        +4
        Quote: yehat2
        Not too much?

        The technique is fundamentally new.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 26 March 2021 10: 20
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          The technique is fundamentally new.

          so this is not a stage of creation, but of testing.
          albeit a new, but the same rocket with a body, engine and wings.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 26 March 2021 10: 24
            +4
            There are a lot of difficulties and their performance characteristics increased.
            because I read about the successful tests of a naval mineral back in 2013 at Dankom.
            but then he had to fly 6 max. the current emnip is 8 flies and has a longer range.
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 26 March 2021 10: 40
              +1
              those tests ended in failure, so I don't take them into account at all
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 26 March 2021 10: 54
            +5
            Quote: yehat2
            albeit a new, but the same rocket with a body, engine and wings.

            Well yes, absolutely no difference and nothing new. That "Zircon" that "FAU-1". What is there to probe. laughing
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 26 March 2021 13: 45
            0
            Yes, not the same difference with supersonic Onyxes and Calibers is absolute in everything from materials to the accelerating engine.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 11: 06
        +3
        Quote: yehat2
        I also have one more question - how long do all the zircon tests take?
        according to what I've read, it has been published for over 3.5 years. Not too much?

        Most likely, for 3.5 years, it was not the finished product that was tested, but its nodes. For example - an engine, fuel, etc. And only then the whole product is assembled.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 26 March 2021 11: 08
          0
          as far as I found out, there were problems with the engine operation both at the start and in cruise mode,
          and also the guidance system did not work out very reliably.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 11: 35
            +2
            Quote: yehat2
            as far as I found out, there were problems with the engine operation both at the start and in cruise mode,
            and also the guidance system did not work out very reliably.

            Well, you see, hence the duration of the tests. Everything is simple on our couch, but in reality everything is much more complicated. Therefore, it seems to us that everything is so "slow"
            Of course we want it to be faster. hi
            1. yehat2
              yehat2 26 March 2021 11: 45
              +1
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Of course we want it to be faster.

              you see, besides the sofa, I know how similar tests were carried out in the USSR
              and I compare with their timing
              when an experienced rocket was assembled on demand in a week and after 2 it was already at the range. here with Zircon I somehow do not notice such zeal.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 13: 29
                +1
                Quote: yehat2

                you see, besides the sofa, I know how similar tests were carried out in the USSR

                I don’t presume to judge. Not in the subject. I would like to think that there were serious technical problems that affected the timing. I hope that all these problems have been resolved and that the product will soon be adopted. hi
                1. yehat2
                  yehat2 26 March 2021 13: 30
                  +1
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  I want to think

                  rather believe, and these are not questions of this site
          2. Dodikson
            Dodikson 26 March 2021 11: 46
            0
            can you tell us something about the GOS? otherwise nothing is known even at the level of rumors
    7. alexmach
      alexmach 26 March 2021 09: 56
      +1
      Where is the truth? Something went wrong? Or is it conceived, but the source does not know?

      Everywhere. item 1 plan for the current year. Point 2 is about in general.
    8. Artyom1979
      Artyom1979 26 March 2021 10: 03
      +1
      Most likely the remaining two aircraft design will be produced from the submarine.
    9. lucul
      lucul 26 March 2021 10: 52
      0
      Somehow it's not entirely clear:
      1. A total of 7 Zircon launches will be carried out, two of them will take place during the flight-design test stage, and another 5 - state tests.
      2. LKI "Zircon" with the use of the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" has been successfully completed. Four launches have been completed.
      Where is the truth? Something went wrong? Or is it conceived, but the source does not know?

      Well, what is not clear to you?
      Everything that the Zircons launched before was the developer's flight design tests. And then there will be state. tests, in a number of 5 launches, if everything goes well with them, then the rocket will be adopted.
    10. venik
      venik 26 March 2021 11: 18
      0
      Quote: NDR-791
      2. LKI "Zircon" with the use of the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" has been successfully completed. Four launches have been completed.
      Where is the truth? Something went wrong?

      =======
      Have you read attentively at all? Or so - "diagonally"? Rather, the latter. Then - I explain: In total, within the framework of the final stage of the LCI in 2021, there were 2 launches (TWA): 1 launch from a surface carrier ("Pot") and another 1 - from an underwater one ("Severodvinsk"). "Pot" - has already shot. LCI with surface carrier this is complete! It remains to shoot "Severodvinsk" and it will be possible to proceed to state tests (if everything (pah-pah!) Goes well).
      And you - without understanding and right away - into a panic! You will not wait! tongue
    11. Dart2027
      Dart2027 26 March 2021 18: 32
      0
      Quote: NDR-791
      Where is the truth? Something went wrong? Or is it conceived, but the source does not know?

      Read carefully
      In December 2020, the Ministry of Defense announced that state tests of the Zircon hypersonic missile would begin in 2021 immediately after the completion of the flight test stage. A total of 7 Zircon launches will be carried out, two of them will take place during the flight-design test stage, and another 5 - state tests.

      It says here that in 2021 LKI will be completed within which 2 launches will take place, but Zircon was tested last year.
  2. Arkon
    Arkon 26 March 2021 07: 58
    0
    As I understand it, the main "know-how" of these missiles is the guidance system at such speeds. Because everything that has existed so far from moving on hypersonic just flies along different trajectories without final guidance, having received a control system until the moment of transition to hypersonic speeds.
    And here, it seems, is something fundamentally different ...
    1. knn54
      knn54 26 March 2021 08: 56
      0
      Andrey, "Scalpel" got into a shield with a diameter of 10 m in Kamchatka. The electronics were assembled on discrete elements, without processors. And this is more than a third of a century ago. And without GNSS.
      1. Dodikson
        Dodikson 26 March 2021 10: 29
        +5
        this is the target with the given coordinates. and here a moving target. And you need not an inertial, but a seeker. and this paragraph is different things. especially at high speeds
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 28 March 2021 03: 53
          0
          They wrote to you - the rocket hit the "peg". And the peg is clearly not a moving target. If the author is not a lamer, of course.
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 26 March 2021 09: 16
      +4
      Quote: Arkon
      As I understand it, the main "know-how" of these missiles is the guidance system at such speeds

      There, in theory, the know-how of all kinds should be from the heart: a multi-mode engine (capable of accelerating to the main engine and then supporting this main engine), a guidance system, heat-resistant cladding, etc. etc. And all this in the dimensions of the PU 3S-14. It's a pity, they won't show it live (at least the moment of hitting the target).
    3. Dodikson
      Dodikson 26 March 2021 10: 26
      +1
      I'm more interested in how the GOS Zircon will behave on electronic warfare and false targets. because in the last couple of years the Yankees have done a good job on this and not a single anti-ship missile hit targets that were protected by interference and false targets (the last episode was with mattresses in Yemen, when they even had to shoot down with clones of Chinese anti-ship missiles, they all went to the side)
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 March 2021 13: 51
        -1
        No way - the rocket flies in a plasma stream and no EW radiation can affect its control, like the rocket body with a laser can burn through and fry with microwave radiation the same as it is made of a special heat-resistant composite alloy based on zirconium carbide and carbon fiber.
        1. Sergey Sfiedu
          Sergey Sfiedu 28 March 2021 03: 50
          0
          Only if there is no GOS - then yes. And if there is an active radar seeker, then theoretically there is always the possibility to deceive or drown it.
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 26 March 2021 08: 04
    +1
    If we are able to create sensible systems / weapons, then we can advertise, present the goods with a person, alas, alas, this happens, as a rule, later and not even by ourselves !!!
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 26 March 2021 08: 55
      -2
      this is confusion - and the main goal is to refuse AB they will not write, but they will speak with their lips, silently
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 March 2021 09: 16
        0
        Quote: antivirus
        rejection of AB

        This is what?
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 26 March 2021 09: 17
          0
          why are they not building aircraft carriers --............................................ .....................................
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 26 March 2021 09: 21
            0
            Yes fig knows.
            We have to proceed from the fact that "the giraffe is big, he knows best" ...
            You can also look for objective reasons. There will be, for sure.
            1. antivirus
              antivirus 26 March 2021 10: 04
              -3
              antivirus
              6
              Yesterday, 09: 33
              -3
              Aviation as the main striking force of the Russian fleet
              our "assets" (including the factories of the aligarhs) are located in the XXX regions and they need to be protected - this is from Moscow to Krasnoyarsk. where are the seas?
              - the protection of the southern borders for 2 tons km with a margin - this is the control of the Caucasus and SrAsia (up to friends in India)
              - where is the sea?

              - the perseverance of the military in the confrontation with NATO is understandable. I think that (in vain) -war this will not happen. We will be pulled on trifles from all directions.
              --- in pt how to protect the poison centers (and Krasnoyarsk)?
              ---- cover the transport (empty steppes) from Moscow (or the Baltic and Black Sea) to the Pacific Ocean - how many С400 and -500 should be delivered?
              - Is AB in Krasnoyarsk needed?
              --- protection of Zap Sib oil and Taimyr - need AV? - from the south, nomads will come to Tumen by buggy
              lobbyists work, no names
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 26 March 2021 09: 25
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      If we are able to create sensible systems / weapons, then we can advertise, present the goods with a person, alas, alas, this happens, as a rule, later and not even by ourselves !!!

      What for? Zircons are not planned for export yet. The population does not need unnecessary details, there are enough beautiful numbers: "10 swings, 1000 km, 100% indestructible." Of course, a short video in which the "Zircon" at full speed demolishes the target ship, would dispel many doubts ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 26 March 2021 09: 28
        +1
        Quote: Kalmar
        Of course, a short video in which the "Zircon" at full speed demolishes the target ship, would dispel many doubts ...

        There are doubts here and there ... it WILL NOT be superfluous to dispel them!
        Someone will rejoice, and some will be forced to THINK, whether they need to "seek" to experience all this on themselves.
        The benefit will be.
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 26 March 2021 09: 31
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          There are doubts here and there ... it WILL NOT be superfluous to dispel them!

          Nobody argues that it won't. Against the background of other "successes" of the Russian defense industry, the abundance of complex engineering solutions in Zircon, frankly, is alarming; I would very much like to see something more tangible than dry theses: "We started it, flew in, everything is great." We are waiting, sir.
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 26 March 2021 09: 48
        +2
        taking into account the speeds, there will be just a ship, but it is already making a boom ... In principle, it is important that the very scheme of using hypersonic missiles has been worked out, in other words, ours are able to make such missiles now, which means you can do both larger and smaller in size .. so that you can hang both heavy fighters, both on rocket launchers and on ground launchers .. In principle, you can stuff the Zircon into the same Bastion, and there are suspicions that there will be no difficulties with adapting to Iskander ... but there already just rivet the rockets, learn to shoot and whip through the warehouses, periodically showing the "partners" news bulletins how the rocket, having flown 1,5 km, hit the target .. and with a ruler on the map, they are already crawling on their own
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 26 March 2021 09: 55
          +2
          Quote: Barberry25
          taking into account the speeds there will just be a ship, but it is already making a boom

          Firstly, nobody canceled high-speed cameras. The video with a leisurely flying tank OBPS is complete, but there are more than 4M speeds.
          Secondly, shooting in a general plan will also allow the rocket to be noticed before the collision and not to reveal unnecessary technical details of its design.

          Quote: Barberry25
          what is important is that the very scheme of using hypersonic missiles has been worked out

          Nothing has been worked out yet, these are only test launches. "Completed" - this is when in full: to find a target, whose location is not known in advance, remove the carrier, shoot back, fix the defeat. Ideally, the goal should still apply to the KREP.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 26 March 2021 10: 08
            +4
            Quote: Kalmar
            Firstly, nobody canceled high-speed cameras.

            Suppose the launch of NUDOLI inspired many, and made some think ... if the defeat of the target satellite were shown, it would be a very convincing NOT A CARTOON !!!
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 26 March 2021 10: 18
              +3
              Quote: rocket757
              if the defeat of the target satellite show

              It is problematic to deliver the film crew of "Military Acceptance" into orbit. laughing
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 26 March 2021 10: 33
                +2
                And what, there are no other technical means / possibilities ???
                Very sorry.
      3. lucul
        lucul 26 March 2021 10: 56
        -3
        Of course, a short video in which the "Zircon" at full speed demolishes the target ship, would dispel many doubts ...

        Why disclose secrecy? )))
        It's as if the Americans, told the Germans - we do not believe in your V-2 until you show them to our specialists in a section, but do not provide all the technical documentation for study))))
        1. Kalmar
          Kalmar 26 March 2021 11: 01
          0
          Quote: lucul
          Why disclose secrecy? )))

          And what is the secrecy? The fact that the rocket is and flies? So we and so from every iron shout about it. And the details of the design in a general plan cannot be discerned anyway.
      4. Vadim237
        Vadim237 26 March 2021 13: 52
        0
        Indian HyperBramos will be exported when it is promised in 2027.
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 09: 43
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      If we are able to create sensible systems / weapons, then we can advertise, present the goods with a person, alas, alas, this happens, as a rule, later and not even by ourselves !!!

      Such "things" do not need advertising. I would not write that way. And something like this - we know how to create good weapons, but electronics, marine and other other engines are at the same high level, alas. Maybe it makes sense to create a separate research institute of engine building? For, so to speak, brainstorming. In order to eventually create a line of engines from 10 horsepower to - oh, how many!
      1. Kalmar
        Kalmar 26 March 2021 09: 56
        0
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        We know how to create good weapons, but alas, electronics, marine and other other engines are at the same high level.

        But in the case of the Zircon, the weapon is mostly comprised of an engine and electronics. Everything else, if you look at it, is secondary.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 10: 00
          +3
          Quote: Kalmar
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          We know how to create good weapons, but alas, electronics, marine and other other engines are at the same high level.

          But in the case of the Zircon, the weapon is mostly comprised of an engine and electronics. Everything else, if you look at it, is secondary.

          You are inattentive. Speaking of engines, I was not talking about weapons.
          1. Kalmar
            Kalmar 26 March 2021 10: 06
            -1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            You are inattentive. Speaking of engines, I was not talking about weapons.

            And the rocket - isn't it a weapon? Moreover, the engine is an important part of it.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 11: 10
              +3
              Quote: Kalmar
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              You are inattentive. Speaking of engines, I was not talking about weapons.

              And the rocket - isn't it a weapon? Moreover, the engine is an important part of it.

              What have you used this morning? I don't believe it's kefir. Otherwise, how to understand your - "Isn't a rocket a weapon?" in response to my - "... I was not talking about weapons" (!!!)
              1. Kalmar
                Kalmar 26 March 2021 11: 16
                -2
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                What have you used this morning? I don't believe it's kefir. Otherwise, how to understand your - "Isn't a rocket a weapon?" in response to my - "... I was not talking about weapons" (!!!)

                No need to be rude. You said that we make weapons well and that engines and electronics are poorly made. I noted that this statement in the context of the same "Zircon" is contradictory, since this weapon (which we do well) consists mostly of the engine (which we do so-so) and electronics (which is also not very good). If you put some other meaning into the terms "weapon", "engine" and "electronics", different from the commonly used one, then this is definitely not my kefir's fault.
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 11: 31
                  +3
                  Quote: Kalmar
                  too, everything is not very good). If you put some other meaning into the terms "weapon", "engine" and "electronics", different from the commonly used one, then this is definitely not my kefir's fault.

                  Well, of course not kefir. It's about understanding the simplest information.
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  so - to create good marine and other other engines at the same high level, alas. Maybe it makes sense to create a separate research institute of engine building? For, so to speak, brainstorming. In order to eventually create a line of engines from 10 horsepower to - oh, how many!

                  I give a hint for the mind, clouded by "kefir" - "ship engines", a line of engines from 10 horses to "how many".
                  Note, this is not about weapons !!!
                  1. Kalmar
                    Kalmar 26 March 2021 11: 44
                    -1
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    I give a hint for the mind, clouded by "kefir" - "ship engines", a line of engines from 10 horses to "how many".

                    We carefully read you:
                    marine and other other engines

                    If the "other others" remain within the "ship", then the problem is still not in kefir, but in your ability to formulate your thoughts.
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 13: 43
                      +2
                      Quote: Kalmar
                      If "other others" remain within the "shipboard"

                      Oh my god, how much can you? I give one more hint -
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      so - we know how to create good weapons, but electronics, ship and other other engines are at the same high level, alas.

                      Do you understand Russian? Or is your consciousness clouded with kefir?
                      If, along with the ships, I also talk about OTHER OTHERS, then this is clearly not about the ships' speech.
                      Are our engines on the car everywhere? - Not! All planes have our engines? - Not! By helicopters? (KA-226) - No! On a UAV? - Not! Continue or will it be enough?
                      1. Kalmar
                        Kalmar 26 March 2021 15: 42
                        -2
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Are our engines on the car everywhere? - Not! All planes have our engines? - Not! By helicopters? (KA-226) - No! On a UAV? - Not! Continue or will it be enough?

                        They are on the rockets. Our. Rockets are weapons. Got my logic? Or one more time in a circle?
                      2. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 18: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Kalmar

                        They are on the rockets. Our. Rockets are weapons. Got my logic? Or one more time in a circle?

                        Especially for the inhabitants of the deep water -
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        You are inattentive. Speaking of engines, I was not talking about weapons.

                        They say cucumber pickle helps. wink
    4. rocket757
      rocket757 26 March 2021 10: 03
      +2
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Maybe it makes sense to create a separate research institute of engine building?

      Someone will immediately ask the question "Where is the money, Zin?" and advice will fly right away as to whom and how to "dispossess the kulak" is necessary ... that is. long controversy, without any practical meaning!
      We do not have China, where the state itself is interested in such issues and therefore ... and therefore, there is clearly a movement forward there!
      We are not America, Israel and ... we are somehow different and we stray our own, "intricate" route ...
      That’s nothing good to express, our path is winding and ahead of us .... God forbid Susanin (forgive the hero, but not in this case), I would like to have Danko leading !!! soldier
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 26 March 2021 08: 04
    +30
    And here is this peg:

    hi
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner 26 March 2021 08: 21
      +3
      laughing Biden will read your post, so the disease will completely disappear. Have mercy on the old man.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus 26 March 2021 08: 57
        +1
        Biden is more alive than all living things - his activities are focused on maintaining what has been created in 300 years - not in the run to communism or "doubling the GDP."
        to sit correctly on the chair is the Victory over the enemies.
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 26 March 2021 10: 07
          +3
          Biden is the most alive of all living - his activities are focused on maintaining what has been created for 300 years
          His activity is primarily focused on maintaining his decrepit life. The inevitability of age. All his other occupations are highly secondary.
          1. antivirus
            antivirus 26 March 2021 10: 10
            +2
            his "friends" hold him upright by the collar. Clintons and Obama and many deputies and assistants. the system is powerful.
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 26 March 2021 10: 16
              0
              So they are busy with this very "maintenance of what has been created over 300 years."
    2. XXXIII
      XXXIII 26 March 2021 09: 51
      +4
      Quote: Cowbra
      And here is this peg:


      laughing annealed bro 100 +good . drinks It is necessary to have a good sense of humor. They will have to demolish this peg so that the Russians miss. laughing
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 26 March 2021 08: 21
    0
    What a peg. Previously, panels were stretched with a cross. And it was optimized? Herods.
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      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 26 March 2021 08: 33
        +1
        Quote: Spambox
        Yes, the banner was stretched on the water))))) laughing


        Is a peg being driven into the water?
        1. Kart
          Kart 26 March 2021 09: 13
          -5
          Well, before, everything was led by the communists, and all the water in the seas was from pure fresh milk, through which they stretched the polymeric cloth.
          And now, as everyone knows, all polymers are stale, all ukraali oligarchs, and the poor people have nothing but pegs left.
          Country-rocket column. Hatit to endure!
        2. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 26 March 2021 10: 01
          +5
          Quote: sergo1914
          Is a peg being driven into the water?

          Couldn't more reasonable thoughts get into your head? Are the passages filled up with junk?
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 26 March 2021 11: 47
            0
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Quote: sergo1914
            Is a peg being driven into the water?

            Couldn't more reasonable thoughts get into your head? Are the passages filled up with junk?


            Infusoria looked at herself in the mirror and wrote a post?
            1. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 26 March 2021 12: 43
              +3
              Well ... such expressions only confirm your inadequacy in conjunction with "special giftedness"!
        3. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 26 March 2021 10: 09
          +2
          Is a peg being driven into the water?
          The analogue for water is a float. In any fisherman's shop, their wagon and cart. And it costs a penny. You can at least stick the whole square of firing. For a little money. laughing
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 26 March 2021 11: 48
            0
            Quote: abrakadabre
            Is a peg being driven into the water?
            The analogue for water is a float. In any fisherman's shop, their wagon and cart. And it costs a penny. You can at least stick the whole square of firing. For a little money. laughing


            And then raise the debris from the bottom for study?
            1. abrakadabre
              abrakadabre 28 March 2021 09: 45
              0
              And then raise the debris from the bottom for study?
              What is there to study? But if you really need it straight, then the option with two floats at anchor: one is submerged for ten meters, the second hangs on the surface on the continuation of the cable. You can even attach a simple mechanism so that in case of hitting the upper one, the lower one will automatically float to the surface.
        4. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 26 March 2021 17: 55
          +2
          Quote: sergo1914
          Is a peg being driven into the water?
          Well, you're just like ...
    2. Spambox
      Spambox 26 March 2021 08: 32
      +1
      Yes, the panels were stretched on the water))))) laughing
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 26 March 2021 09: 41
        +4
        Quote: Spambox
        Yes, the panels were stretched straight on the water)

        It looks like you have not heard of anchored booms .... and laughter for no reason is a sign ...........!
        1. sergo1914
          sergo1914 26 March 2021 11: 50
          +1
          Quote: Nikolaevich I
          Quote: Spambox
          Yes, the panels were stretched straight on the water)

          It looks like you have not heard of anchored booms .... and laughter for no reason is a sign ...........!


          Buddy, calm down, drink some water.
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 26 March 2021 12: 46
            +2
            Since when have inadequate friends started to cram into my friends?
            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 26 March 2021 23: 33
              0
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              Since when have inadequate friends started to cram into my friends?


              How can you be friends with schizophrenics? In their fantasies?
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 27 March 2021 08: 19
                0
                As Putin said: "Whoever calls names like that, he himself is called that!" Now I see that you are not only an inadequate person; but also ....! (It is not difficult to guess what the chela is called, who created and spoke abominations! Although ... if you are already driving pegs into the sea ... then I don’t undertake to assess your shrewdness ... I am sure that you have no place in VO!)
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 26 March 2021 11: 12
      +2
      Quote: sergo1914
      What a peg.

      This is the professional expression of the rockets. When they say "hit the bull's-eye" they don't mean white filling or Antonovka.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 26 March 2021 08: 21
    -4
    Somehow modest ...
    No reports to you about the innumerable number of EMs,
    no stories about the huge launch range.
    In short, not impressive.
  • xorek
    xorek 26 March 2021 08: 39
    -3
    For a long time something goes on tests, but it must be so
    I thought they were already in service!
  • Avior
    Avior 26 March 2021 08: 54
    0
    A total of 7 Zircon launches will be carried out, two of them will take place during the flight-design test stage, and another 5 - state tests.

    Somehow inconsistency with other messages. And about the peg - it looks like last year's news


    This year, the program of flight design tests of the Zircon hypersonic cruise missile has been completed in full.
    This was announced by a source in the military-industrial complex (MIC). He recalled that there were three successful launches from the Northern Fleet frigate "Admiral Gorshkov". “In the outgoing year, three planned launches were carried out: two for sea targets, one for land targets,” a TASS source said. He noted that the "Zircons" showed "amazing accuracy, all the missiles hit the" peg "(as the missilemen call the center of the circle depicting a conventional target)

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vpk-news.ru/news/60112%3famp[quote][/quote]
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 26 March 2021 10: 18
      0
      Yes, he actually shot Onyx
  • Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 26 March 2021 09: 09
    0
    and how do GI differ from LCI?
    1. Kalmar
      Kalmar 26 March 2021 09: 19
      +4
      Quote: Vlad Pervovich
      and how do GI differ from LCI?

      I believe that LCI is a test carried out by the developer during the development and refinement of the product. And when he decides that the product is ready, the GI follows - tests before the customer. If everything is even there, we can talk about adoption.
    2. engineer74
      engineer74 26 March 2021 10: 21
      +2
      Quote: Vlad Pervovich
      and how do GI differ from LCI?

      Technically, nothing, the whole difference is "at whose expense the banquet" and who signs the acts.
      Good luck to the bird and many years of service! drinks
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 26 March 2021 18: 20
        +3
        Quote: engineer74
        Technically, nothing, the whole difference is "at whose expense the banquet" and who signs the acts.

        LCI is carried out by the developer company in order to confirm the innovation, revision, previously eliminated remark, to improve the parameter. Based on its results, a decision is made on the unit, the product as a whole. That is, there is still time and room for maneuver - you can "clarify the nuances."
        And the state - they are the state! It's like cutting off once, after 7 LCIs!
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 26 March 2021 10: 32
    -1
    Quote: Cowbra
    And here is this peg:


    There are many such pegs scattered around the world.
  • iouris
    iouris 26 March 2021 11: 40
    0
    There is no such criterion for test success (or provide a link to the regulation).
  • Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 26 March 2021 13: 00
    +2
    Looking through the comments, I drew attention to the fact that some chelam (mainly from the recently "come in large numbers") did not come up with anything smarter than "sucking" the "pegs" and "panels", "stretched" in the sea! I will not now talk about the figurative professional (jargon) expressions (definitions) adopted in the relevant environment ... I just wanted to ask: where did the article say that they shot at targets placed in the sea (or, at least, in a pond - lake ...)? what
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 26 March 2021 18: 57
      +2
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      and where in the article did it say that they shot at targets placed in the sea (or at least in a pond-lake ...)?

      Nikolaitch, hello! hi
      This is not written anywhere, but since 3M22 sea rocket, then associative thinking suggested - you need to blow on the water!
      As a result, everyone, according to their own understanding, began to play a target position ... Well, whoever drew his wild imagination ... That is why ponds with swans and lakes with canvas criss-cross-across appeared ...
      What they were shooting at is also interesting for me, tk. you can dig a lot from the target by reversing ... Look, the whales on the silhouette of the AVMA in the desert were adjusting their DF-21 ... And it's immediately clear: optics, funnel, speed under 8M ...
      And then ... OBS and more! But there is no doubt that it is the State Defense Ministry (PKR).
      AHA.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 26 March 2021 14: 57
    0
    Now in parallel.
    And yesterday, like in turn ...
    The design thought jumps like my pressure however!
    Plans change every five minutes! ..
    Right now, how will they accelerate! .. The devil will catch up with the bald shipbuilding! ..
  • Old26
    Old26 26 March 2021 15: 41
    +2
    Quote: yehat2
    I also have one more question - how long do all the zircon tests take?
    according to what I've read, it has been published for over 3.5 years. Not too much?

    According to open sources, the tests began in 2015. That means at least 6 years. How long the tests will last - HZ. Now we are talking about another 1-2 years. What will happen in real life - only trials will show

    Quote: Kalmar
    Of course, a short video in which the "Zircon" at full speed demolishes the target ship, would dispel many doubts ...

    It is unlikely that such a video will appear in the near future. Why would an adversary show a terminal flight profile?

    Quote: Kalmar
    Quote: lucul
    Why disclose secrecy? )))

    And what is the secrecy? The fact that the rocket is and flies? So we and so from every iron shout about it. And the details of the design in a general plan cannot be discerned anyway.

    I think that in the profile of the final leg of the flight.
    1. Sergey Sfiedu
      Sergey Sfiedu 28 March 2021 04: 00
      0
      Are there any doubts that the target is hit with a dive?
  • Old26
    Old26 26 March 2021 18: 20
    +3
    Quote: Kalmar
    Quote: Vlad Pervovich
    and how do GI differ from LCI?

    I believe that LCI is a test carried out by the developer during the development and refinement of the product. And when he decides that the product is ready, the GI follows - tests before the customer. If everything is even there, we can talk about adoption.

    Probably we can say that in the process of carrying out LCI, changes in the design of one or another product are allowed (it is not for nothing that it is stipulated even in the contracts), but the GI is a test of the finished product, without any modifications. IMHO
  • Gippo
    Gippo 26 March 2021 18: 23
    +1
    Well, judging by the video that was shown to us, "Onyx" was flying.
    It is very easily identified by the direct-flow through engine.
    If, roughly, imagine a MIG-21 without wings, thinner and shorter.
    The video with "Zircon did not see", as well as the hypersonic unit.
  • Gippo
    Gippo 26 March 2021 18: 34
    +1
    Everything new is well forgotten old. Or is it not?
    https://topwar.ru/177899-oniks-vmesto-cirkona.html