Stoltenberg named the main condition for the admission of Ukraine and Georgia to NATO

At the summit of the heads of the foreign affairs agencies of the NATO countries, the question of the possibility of a new expansion of the military bloc was raised. After the admission to it of Montenegro and Macedonia, which changed its name to North Macedonia for this, Georgia and Ukraine are on the agenda. Secretary General Stoltenberg was asked under what conditions these two countries will join NATO.

During his speech, Jens Stoltenberg named the main condition. According to him, Georgia and Ukraine will be able to join NATO only if this accession is approved by all, without exception, the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance.

Stoltenberg:

That is why I cannot yet name the exact time when this can happen.

At the same time, the NATO Secretary General added that the possibility for Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO was announced at the Bucharest summit in 2008.

Secretary General of the military bloc:

But even then the deadlines were not determined. And now all allies should consider it expedient to expand NATO through the admission of Georgia and Ukraine. They need to work out a consensus on how prepared these countries are to join.

At Stoltenberg, they tried to clarify which NATO countries today are expressing their position against the admission of Kiev and Tbilisi to the alliance. Stoltenberg did not directly answer this question, noting only that "a lot of work is underway, a discussion is underway, different positions are being expressed." Also, instead of a direct answer, the secretary general of the alliance noted that "everyone considers Georgia and Ukraine to be respected partners in the Black Sea region."

Let us recall that earlier the position in NATO was unambiguous: not to admit belligerent countries, as well as countries with unresolved territorial issues. As you know, both Ukraine and Georgia have territorial claims to their neighbors.

Against this background, Kiev and Tbilisi constantly declare that they are ready to join NATO even now.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

Hungarians, first of all. They will not be allowed to "squeeze out" Transcarpathia, so they will put spokes in the wheels.
Maybe later the Magyars will be "pressed", but the process of possible accession will be delayed.

[Avior]

Hungarians, when joining NATO, officially confirmed the absence of territorial claims to neighbors - this is included in the procedure. And now they do not officially claim Transcarpathia.

[Egoza]

Quote: Avior

And now they do not officially claim Transcarpathia.

Officially, THEY do not claim. But the Hungarians of Transcarpathia make claims. And the Transcarpathians are definitely against their Ukrainian neighbors.

[dSK]

in Kiev and Tbilisi they constantly declare that they are ready to join NATO even now.

- will they hold referendums? Or will the paid "servants of the people" do everything?

[Egoza]

Quote from dsk

will they hold referendums? Or will the paid "servants of the people" do everything?

There is no money for the referendum. But even if they did, then all the same "the result will be as it should be"

[mitroha]

everyone considers Georgia and Ukraine to be respected partners in the Black Sea region

Otozh. Tears of respect are straightforward.

[210ox]

What's the difference. In NATO, they will be one hundred percent in the next decade.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: 210ox

What's the difference. In NATO, they will be one hundred percent in the next decade.

This is doubtful. The main NATO functionaries are quite satisfied with the existing status of these non-contenders as "priority candidates" who, even without any membership, are ready to provide all of their territory and available scarce resources, despite the fact that the bloc does not bear any obligations to them. An analogue of this "entry" is Turkey, which for half a century has been hovering around in the EU dressing-room as a candidate for the Euro-association, fulfilling some whims of Brussels for compliance with standards, but has never become Euro-associated.

[210ox]

I assume that in the near future they will press on us with a vengeance. In some ways you are right about the hanging status. This also applies to our foreign policy towards Donbass.

[dSK]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Turkey, which has been stomping for half a century ... but so not Euro-associated.

Visa-free and cheap EU loans - "cheese in a NATO mousetrap"... Turkey is already there and why does the EU need extra "freeloaders"?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 210ox

What's the difference. In NATO, they will be one hundred percent in the next decade.

If Ukraine is admitted to NATO, and the war in Donbass does not stop, then according to the NATO treaties and charter, a war should begin between Russia and NATO countries.

[210ox]

So we do not participate in the war in Donbass (this is legally, and even in practice, our state does not conduct wax operations there). But on the part of Ukraine, they believe that they are conducting an operation to "restore sovereignty and constitutional legality." This NATO is very beneficial - we will not be able to intervene if Ukraine is admitted to NATO. And this is one of the types of pressure on us. I believe that we missed the moment of guaranteeing non-NATO membership by not cutting this "Gordian knot"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 210ox

NATO is very beneficial - we will not be able to intervene if Ukraine is admitted to NATO. And this is one of the types of pressure on us. I believe that we missed the moment of guaranteeing non-NATO membership by not cutting this "Gordian knot"

If Ukraine and all NATO countries believe that Russia is at war, then they will provide Ukraine with any military assistance. All people living in the Lao PDR and having Russian citizenship become non-combatants. So before Ukraine joins NATO, Russia must resolve the issue with these republics.

[SIT]

In 2016, Ukraine adopted a law stating that it is at war with Russia. So, legally, Ukraine is a belligerent state and cannot be a member of NATO. It's just that Russia did not come to the war.

[210ox]

This incident will be accepted as an exception to the rule.

[halpat]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: 210ox

What's the difference. In NATO, they will be one hundred percent in the next decade.

If Ukraine is admitted to NATO, and the war in Donbass does not stop, then according to the NATO treaties and charter, a war should begin between Russia and NATO countries.

So this is what stops the darling of Stoltenberg and his puppeteers in cowboy hats. Accept Ukraine and Georgia into NATO and no one will be saved, should something happen. These pseudo-states, on the other hand, have the only goal - to avenge their own sins on Russia, which means to recapture / recapture what was previously wounded, that is, war. In this case, timid Georgians and broad-minded Svidomites who want to fight will end quickly and the Europeans will have to harness, but how? if they themselves have solid soda with gomorrhoids.
So you think 30 times by the number of NATO countries, but is it worth it?
Better to go to gay pride parades, at least safer.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Halpat

These pseudo-states have only one goal - to avenge their own sins on Russia.

Even children know what happened before Georgia's annexation to Russia. But Roii accepted Georgia as an equal, even preserved their nobility, preserved their nation and identity. Ukraine never existed at all, and before the annexation, except for small hetman communities, the entire territory was part of the "wild field", and the rest was captured by the Turks, Poles, Lithuanians and Austrians. Russia has also preserved its Ukrainian nation and identity.
This is why they are taking revenge on Russia. They take revenge for the fact that they were not assimilated, destroyed and made slaves.

[shinobi]

They won't. I won't say anything about rodents, but the bad girl may cease to exist in the next five years.

[gurzuf]

What the hell is a referendum if e-political assistant professor?

[businessv]

Quote from dsk

will they hold referendums? Or will the paid "servants of the people" do everything?

All the years during which these countries are in charge of mattress-like ones, a very serious brainwashing has been carried out there, so even a referendum will not affect the result in any way, IMHO, NATY will have a desire, they will accept it.

[Avior]

Hungarians in Transcarpathia make up 12 percent of the total population. Transcarpathians are 80 percent Ukrainians, 12 percent Hungarians and 8 percent all the rest.
In reality, Hungarians make up a significant part of the population only in a small area in the Beregovoye area.

[knn54]

The question is: are the Germans ready to fight, for example, for Georgia?

[210ox]

And the question is different. Are we ready to fight NATO? And who will ask the Germans? They have a military-political agreement, so they will. In what form, this is unclear. Providing support in exploration, logistics and others.

[Olgovich]

Quote: knn54

The question is: are the Germans ready to fight, for example, for Georgia?

Of course not. But, so that they do not have illusions, it is necessary to persistently explain to them what kind ofa pile of ash Berlin and so on will turn if they try to get into other people's business.

When estonia was admitted to NATO, to our great regret, Russia did not do this. But in vain ....

[210ox]

Otherwise they don't understand. The question is our readiness to use nuclear weapons. This refers not to the state of the Strategic Missile Forces, but to a political decision. And the last decision.

[ugol2]

Quote: knn54

The question is: are the Germans ready to fight, for example, for Georgia?

Counterquestion.
Are the Armenians ready to fight, for example, for Shikotan and Habomai?

[210ox]

Well, at least one is. He served in the RF Armed Forces.

[ugol2]

The husband of the RT director?
Well, then there are already two of us!

[210ox]

No, a hard worker at the factory. Does this surprise you?

[antivirus]

then the crucians were fat and for 5 rubles (not 3 rubles), but now, well, very large and for 10 euros - everything has changed. not for you

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Hungarians, first of all. They will not be allowed to "squeeze out" Transcarpathia, so they will put spokes in the wheels.
Maybe later the Magyars will be "pressed", but the process of possible accession will be delayed.

To paraphrase a little, then - hope for the Hungarians, but do not make a mistake yourself.
Our "helmsmen" must do whatever they like, but prevent Georgia, especially Ukraine from joining NATO. Otherwise, it is fraught with very grave consequences for Russia.

[Thrifty]

The Kremlin is OBLIGED to officially appoint the leadership of these countries, and the NATO bloc, which will not allow us to come close to our borders, that the adoption of the Vukriya in NATO automatically cancels our signature under the Memorandum of Independence, and the territorial integrity of this quasi-state! For, the Yankees will put pressure on the countries of the bloc, and all NATO "edenegolasno" tomorrow will accept the aforementioned territorial misunderstandings into their ranks!

[The leader of the Redskins]

Norway is far from our borders?
Well, but about the Balts and all sorts of Poland, I will not say anything at all.
All these talks about "NATO at our borders" have long lost their relevance and serve only as a tool for influencing the domestic public.

[Thompson]

Masterpiece! It is felt that in intellectual development you remained at the level of the stories of the Indians of the times of Fenimore Cooper

[Avior]

You see, the Leader of the Redskins, he is not quite an Indian, as it were. More precisely, not an Indian at all.

[Egoza]

Quote: Thrifty

the acceptance of the Vukriya in NATO automatically cancels our signature under the Memorandum of Independence, and the territorial integrity of this quasi-state!

And here all the "new friends" will gladly share it, restoring historical justice.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Thrifty

The Kremlin is OBLIGED to officially appoint the leadership of these countries, and the NATO bloc, which will not allow us to come close to our borders, that the adoption of the Vukriya in NATO automatically cancels our signature under the Memorandum of Independence, and the territorial integrity of this quasi-state!

You are right.
It would be nice not to butt with Ukraine, but if we are to butt, it’s better with "non-profit" than with a NATO member.

[shinobi]

As long as there is at least a minimal possibility of Bodalov, there will be no nesalizhnaya in NATO. There, too, experts eat truffles. was.

[Hunter 2]

Short translation: Come Tomorrow, and you come all the time today

[novel66]

these are those straws. that will ruin NATU at last! Hello

[Hunter 2]

NATA is generally some kind of socially low-oriented ... everyone is trying to "enter" it, but no one wants to pay
Greetings Roma.

[novel66]

Americans muddied - so let them pay

[NDR-791]

It is not difficult to join. Just looking at what. Suddenly it will become

[Prisoner]

Why do they need Georgia and Ukraine in NATO? This is a consumable and very convenient. It is not necessary to feed from the belly. He threw a bone and sent it under the bullets. Well, shovel them into fertilizer, so what? For these natAMs, they are so convenient.

[ksv36]

NATO does not need people, but territory in order to stake its bases on them. And this is a completely different calico turns out. We wanted to create a base in Sevastopol, but suddenly our Crimea became. Broke off and climb further. And we are CHO? We are not CHO. We'll have to do OUR GEORGIA and OUR UKRAINE. There is no other way out.

[Sergey M. Karasev]

We'll have to do OUR GEORGIA and OUR UKRAINE. There is no other way out. wink

Come on, they go to the devil! They were already OUR ... And how did it end ?? It will be a black hole for the budget and a headache for the entire country for decades at least. No really !!! Let NATO, the EU, and even the devil with horns, babysit with them!

[rocket757]

Psisa chatterbox .... talks about anything, this is when not just lying.

[cniza]

This talker knows how to turn himself out.

[rocket757]

It turns out because he is that "elusive cowboy Joe" and is. Naf is not needed by anyone.

[cniza]

They puff out their cheeks in front of each other, creating violent activity ...

[rocket757]

Public faces, chatter and nothing else.

[cniza]

I wonder how much is the staff of the NATO office in Brussels?

[rocket757]

So that "nettle tribe" always had a tendency to self-propagate, expand and absorb / devour everything and everyone!
Their army is indestructible!

[cniza]

And to be honest, it is more profitable for us to have as many of them as possible, exactly where they sit back and do not allow others to work ...

[rocket757]

We ourselves have enough of everything ... a lot of things need to be corrected in the country.

[cniza]

We also have endless work and at all times ...

[Ros 56]

It is clear to any sane that the main requirement for admission to NATO of the former republics of the Union is Russophobia. To me, too, an open secret.

[Retvizan 8]

As Garik Sukachev sings: ... "I have not seen grief, love me" ...
Likewise, gentlemen Europeans, if you want to grab problems, take Georgians and Ukrainians into your ranks as soon as possible.

[cniza]

Also, instead of a direct answer, the secretary general of the alliance noted that "everyone considers Georgia and Ukraine to be respected partners in the Black Sea region."

They are concubines, not partners, and without any rights and without obligations on the part of NATO ...

[spech]

Quote: Avior

Hungarians, when joining NATO, officially confirmed the absence of territorial claims to neighbors - this is included in the procedure. And now they do not officially claim Transcarpathia.

Tell this to the Turks, they also had no claims to Greece when they joined.

[Avior]

The Turks have no territorial claims against the Greeks. Cyprus, over which the conflict is, is a separate state, not Greece.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

In vain jump ropes. In vain they substituted .. Poor things ...)

[xorek]

That is why I cannot yet name the exact time when this can happen.

As Putin likes to say .. "They deceived the durraak, by four fists .."
But these "brothers" will have to answer for EVERYTHING before Russia soon.

[Evil 55]

I also know this condition, it's called "When the cancer whistles on the mountain" ..

[Professor]

[quote] As you know, both Ukraine and Georgia have territorial claims to their neighbors ../ quote]
No, they do not have any of their neighbors.

They will join NATO when it is beneficial to NATO.

[Andobor]

Putin introduces - everything passes.

[yfast]

Quote: professor

No, they do not have any of their neighbors.
They will join NATO when it is beneficial to NATO.

Immediately after Russia.

[megadeth]

If Ukraine once again gets in the face in Donbass, they will accept it !? And nobody will ask the Hungarians! In general, our conciliatory policy towards the West is striking.

[Dgdenis]

Hmmm. First-class divorce from Jens Stoltenberg. You wait, sooner or later we will include you in NATO. The fact that this shameful NATO for the population poses a much more significant threat, since in the event of a war Europe will not suffer, the war will be waged in Ukraine and the Baltics, this is a trifle. There is no question of Georgia. There are no prospects for NATO. The benefits are not even zero, but negative

[iouris]

They will do whatever is necessary and without formalities.

[APASUS]

How long can we discuss this topic? Ukraine and Georgia will fall into NATO, precisely when NATO decides to exacerbate relations with the Russians, to the level of a military conflict.

[shinobi]

Do you think that there are only suicides in NATO?

[APASUS]

Quote: shinobi

Do you think that there are only suicides in NATO?

I think that if NATO is confident in their victory and will be able to neutralize Russia's retaliatory strike, the question will even arise whether or not to start a war. An aggressive and offensive bloc hiding behind fables about freedom, democracy, and so on.

[shinobi]

You can sleep peacefully. They do not and will not be absolutely sure. But we will cope with small mongrels.

[Jaromir]

earlier, the position in NATO was unambiguous: not to admit belligerent countries, as well as countries with unresolved territorial issues

So it was before, but now everything has changed. NATO urgently needs to reach most of the Russian border. After Ukraine and Georgia, it will be Kazakhstan's turn. And then ... This is naturally my IMHO.

[dSK]

The USSR lost the Cold War. Now they want to put the squeeze on Russia. They expect that Putin's successor will be the "second" Gorbachev and all the former Soviet republics will be "loyal" to NATO ...

[Viktor Afanasev]

I agree. The USSR was surrendered by internal traitors. And Gorbachev is far from alone. Party elite and executive and .... I wanted a sweet rich life.
And now no one wants to fight - critical losses are possible, and then all gas pipelines will be damaged, but how to pump oil and gas, and who will do it? If the local population goes to the partisans or is destroyed? Then what's the point?
Better - to slowly ruin everything, not to let it develop and swing, swing, swing ...

This is the third world war ...

[Radius]

Nishtyak! "..." everyone considers Georgia and Ukraine to be respected partners in the Black Sea region. "" ... In the Black Sea region? Who laughs whose slippers? Except for the Russian Federation and Turkey, there is no one in this region and there cannot be anyone! In any case, for the near future.

[Viktor Afanasev]

There is hardly any chance for Ukraine to join NATO in the coming years.
Chaos and civil war, as well as a split within the population - why does Europe and the United States need such a headache?
It is easier to continue using it as it is now - against the "dangerous" Russia.
Feed. Promise. Propose road maps towards the European Union and NATO ...
And if that - you can always distance yourself. But from Ukraine already NATO - it will not work.
But no one wants to take responsibility for an unpredictable Ukraine.
Georgia, if not for Abkhazia and Ossetia, would probably have already joined NATO. But not a fact ...

[Metallurg_2]

In NATO, those who want to die for the Sumerians and rodents are not particularly found.

[Goral]

In order for Georgia and Ukraine not to aspire to NATO, one big neighbor of these countries must stop chopping off their territories. Everything - nothing else is needed. Russians do not have any closer peoples than Ukrainians (and Belarusians). And Georgians are historically unforgettable in character. They will return the seized territories and everything will settle down. And so naturally - you can run away to hell from a mad leper with a vigorous club

[KRIG55]

Until they entered - to bring it into a state before joining the Russian Empire ...

[Poseidon Neptune]

Georgia and Ukraine are doomed forever to stomp in front of the closed doors of NATO. The road is closed for them. Georgia is a poor country with big problems in territorial disputes. Ukraine is generally a monkey with a grenade, and the check has already been pulled out. Some statements by Ukrainian nationalists that they are ready to blow up the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant and make a nuclear nightmare in Europe, cleaner than Chernobyl, in order to only annoy Russia, immediately cool the ardor of those who are ready to accept Ukraine into NATO even now. Even the owners of NATO, the United States, openly declared that they did not see any prospects for these countries.

[Yuri Alekseev_3]

There will be against the leading countries such as Germany, France, Italy and so on. They perfectly understand what kind of hemorrhoids they will get because of Ukraine, which did not rattle them. It's just that the policy now is, to poison the Ukrainians on us, otherwise they don't need hicks for nothing.