"Have no moral right": overseas criticize the command of the Chinese Navy, which gave the "analogue" of the destroyer Zumwalt the name "Lhasa"

The Ministry of National Defense of China announced that the first serial destroyer of Project 055, belonging to the 4th generation, was officially introduced into the PLA Navy. Thus, as part of the Chinese naval fleet the number of destroyers of the mentioned project is equal to two. Project 055 destroyers in the West are called "Chinese Zamwalts" or "Chinese counterparts Zumwalt". True, the cost of a Chinese warship of this type is an order of magnitude lower than the same "Zamvolts", the use of which cannot be found in the US Navy.

The PRC Ministry of Defense reports that the first serial destroyer was officially named Lhasa. This corresponds to the name of the administrative center of the Tibet Autonomous Region of the PRC - a city with a population of one million.

Chinese military official:

The second fourth-generation Project 055 destroyer was commissioned as number 102. It was named Lhasa.

Ren Guoqian, Deputy Director of the Information Bureau of the Ministry of National Defense of the People's Republic of China, noted that Project 055 ships are already a completely new level of capabilities of the Chinese naval forces.

The battleship has a whole arsenal weapons, including the latest YJ-18 anti-ship cruise missiles, which entered service about 5 years ago. The maximum range of destruction of a surface target by such a missile is about 550 km. The limiting mass of the warhead is 300 kg.

Noteworthy is the fact that outside of China criticized the name of the newest warship. In particular, anti-Chinese Western media again heard statements about "Beijing's illegal occupation of Tibet." And now there have been added accusations of the military command of the PRC of "substitution of concepts" and "attempts to use the geographical names of the occupied territories to be applied to the military equipment of the Chinese army."

They decided to name their analogue of the American "Zamwolta" after the capital of Tibet. China has no moral right to do so.

Comments

[Real Pilot]

Moral right ... Do the Chinese have ...

There is civil, criminal, administrative, but about the moral it is not for Americans to judge!

[Split]

Really answered to the point, they have no such right ... the dogs bark ... the caravan is on its way

[Shurik70]

We are waiting for a response from China.
Unlike peace-loving Russia, China prefers to be tough.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Shurik70

We are waiting for a response from China.
Unlike peace-loving Russia, China prefers to be tough.

What is the answer and to whom?

Kipish was raised "... anti-Chinese Western media again heard statements ..."

There would be official statements or comments in the media from officials, then yes it makes sense what to answer.

And so someone painted something on the fence around the toilet)
In such a situation, answering is like starting to make excuses and apologize.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Pandiurin

In such a situation, answering is like starting to make excuses and apologize

Make excuses? Who talks about excuses. How about punishing?
For example, to impose sanctions on specific media and send their correspondents out of the country.
And the small politicians probably started the media earlier, the media only repeat. This little thing can also be squeezed. And China has this opportunity
https://www.rubaltic.ru/article/politika-i-obshchestvo/20210324-kitay-pokazal-rossii-kak-bit-sanktsiyami-es-i-pribaltiku/

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Shurik70

Unlike peace-loving Russia, China prefers to be tough.

And that is why there is a "Chinese last warning" :))) And the case when China in the second half of the twentieth century presented an ultimatum and received a flock of sheep in response, of course, proves the "toughness" of China in comparison with Russia.

[Shurik70]

Quote: Blackgrifon

Chinese last warning

Everything is changing
Then China was a backward agrarian country.
And now the world's first economy

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Shurik70

Everything is changing

I agree, but they still haven't done anything tough. The exception is that they piled the Vietnamese into the sea.

[Shurik70]

Well, that's already answered.
https://topwar.ru/181343-jeto-nedopustimo-gossekretar-ssha-otreagiroval-na-vvedenie-kitaem-antiamerikanskih-sankcij.html

[Blackgrifon]

And how does this differ in approach from our sanctions? Nothing. The only question is the weight of the sanctions - the PRC and the United States were very strongly linked economically and industrially, we are smaller.

[Ryusei]

And what is the result of their answers?)

[yehat2]

morality in general in American society is a thing that has no place.

[rocket757]

"Have no moral right": overseas criticize the command of the Chinese Navy, which gave the "analogue" of the destroyer Zumwalt the name "Lhasa"

AND WHY???
Who is in charge of moral rights in the world now ???

[antivirus]

Soon our nuclear submarines Anchorage and BOD Sitka will be resting in P-Kamchatsky. .because it was ours when that ...

it's up to the RF Ministry of Defense

[rocket757]

So we have for whom and how to "perpetuate" ... although nothing can be ruled out. Those who assign names to products are guys with humor.

[antivirus]

and if the partners support - RTOs "Rhineland-Palatinate" and Westfalia? that will distort them

[malyvalv]

The difference is that China has Lhasa. If we are to troll, then the nuclear submarine should be called Iturup and BOD Kunashir.

[Alex777]

MRK Habomai - it will also be good.

[antivirus]

I wrote - business for the MO - for action - ours will again be Alaska and nearby. not fate - the idea has not yet captured the masses.
the joke was part of the joke, the rest of the hint of action for the fair title of Sitka is not fate.

[Bow]

Better "Kiev" in the Black Sea Fleet.
You can call that, for example, one of the FSB ships, which periodically catch any Bandera riffraff in those waters.

[shark507]

"Better" Kiev "in the Black Sea Fleet"
Chervona Ukraine

[Pereira]

Who is in charge of moral rights in the world now ???

It is known who. Handshake non-Donors of liberal orientation and democratic gender.

[rocket757]

Oh shorter ... goat l l stinky. Everything is clear at once ... although it is very insulting to be a real ko / z \ lam.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Great name! Judging by the last meeting of the delegations of China and the United States, the next ship will be named - "San Francisco"

[SaLaR]

And it seems to me to China on a drum, who and what is blathering ... The dog barks, and the caravan goes ............

[knn54]

According to the doctrine of the PRC, Taipei is the capital of the Taiwan province within the PRC.
Still to come ...

[Simargl]

The capital is not a destroyer to call!

[Pereira]

They can also rename Washington.

[Niko]

Well, here on the site in the comments we also like to teach others what they have a "moral right" to do, which is not, now you can clearly see how stupid it looks

[Jcvai]

Could the next Poseidon be called New York? ;)

[Rusticolus]

Then New York. And then they stole the york.

[Crash]

A good idea. The product is technological, modern, worthless without a proper name

[A1845]

Does China even have the right to build a powerful fleet? !!
overseas uncle beside himself with indignation

[Humpty]

I cannot say that the Chinese did not have the moral right to do so with some "BUT". Although the Germans and the Swedes drew a map of Tibet, but it was the Chinese who liberated Tibet from the tyranny of the yellow-haired lamas, whose rule over Tibet was imposed by the Kalmyks, and this introduced a certain measure of order. Llamas, like priests, are different, the Dalai Lama is really not an ordinary person, he sees a lot but does not say everything, he respected my brother. The Kalmyks, whose power at one time spread very widely, from southern Siberia far into the depths of present-day China, clearly considered themselves part of it.

[Denis Rumyanny]

Strictly speaking, there is no such people "Kalmyks".
There are oirats (oirots) and "stragglers"
i.e. the Kalmyks.
Someone says the Huns moved them, someone says they left for religious reasons. Thousands of kilometers to the West.
But they did not have power over Tibet. From the word at all. Although there were tribes who robbed pilgrims. But not power.

[Humpty]

Quote: Denis Rumyanny

Strictly speaking, there is no such people "Kalmyks".
There are oirats (oirots) and "stragglers"
i.e. the Kalmyks.

I do not argue. There is one of the Chinese peoples, one of the names means "from the other side".

[faterdom]

And what, the name of the warships requires some kind of "moral right"?
Cool, however ... And where to get help (rights?) ...
It is necessary to take on arms - to build a nuclear submarine and name them "London", "Berlin", "New York" ... type in honor of these glorious cities, as well as the likely sole heirs of their names.

[Viktor Afanasev]

I agree!
And a good idea, by the way
In the domestic sailing fleet were battleships London, Paris, Oxford ...
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Лондон_(линейный_корабль)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Париж_(линейный_корабль,_1849)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Оксфорд_(линейный_корабль)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Британия_(линейный_корабль)
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Портсмут_(линейный_корабль,_1714)

[Evgeny Goncharov (smoogg)]

build nuclear submarines and name them "London", "Berlin", "New York"

How long will you build three nuclear submarines? Years 25?

[Thrifty]

In fact, it is stupid to compare a Chinese with an iron-like shape-shifter, because a Chinese destroyer has a whole range of weapons, has goals and objectives, it is a completely finished combat unit, and not a punishment for the US Navy, missile-free, cannon-free, it is not known why the destroyer-shaped iron built over an expensive iron is unknown.

[impostor]

Two 155 mm calibers of which, moreover, shoot exclusively with gold bars, the price of a high-precision shot is $ 800 thousand

[voyaka uh]

"a flip-flop iron-shaped stupid," ////
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Here's the future British flip-iron-trimaran

[Roma 1977]

And the name "Zumvalt" morally strains me. Sounds like a German curse. I require compensation.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Roma-1977

And the name "Zumvalt" morally strains me.

No wonder what the name of the ship is, the same is the ship (or vice versa, what kind of ship is the name).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Roma-1977

I require compensation.

It is not necessary to be like the Gayropeans, it is with them, he washed the cat in the washing machine, and then demands compensation from the manufacturer for the killed cat.

[tihonmarine]

In particular, Western anti-Chinese media once again heard statements about "Beijing's illegal occupation of Tibet."

Well, this is the same Western media say that the Crimea is Ukrainian.
Now there is work to prove for 100 years that Tibet is not Chinese. And in China the answer is silence, because they have not read Western nonsense for 30 years.

[Soldatov V.]

I think soon the celestial kingdom will say: brothers, let's strengthen your naval power (or rather weakness) and put you a division, or rather two frigates or destroyers, otherwise our left flank is completely open. and the sires will help us.

[Roma 1977]

"If you want to ruin some country - present it with a cruiser." So it's better somehow on your own.

[Viktor Afanasev]

Well done the Chinese!
They do not have the world's largest gas reserves, huge reserves of oil, gold, diamonds, rare earth metals, uranium, etc.
And the destroyers are building

[Prisoner]

Let them go out. It is not for them to determine moral rights. Let them repent for Hitler and his European lackeys and keep silent. To me, too, legislators of moral codes, EPRST!

[Geonezis]

Does it mean that the Stars and Stripes have a moral right to call their missiles Tomahawks, and do they have Apaches helicopters? Or is it from the series "you do not understand, this is different."

[APASUS]

Something the Americans do not have remorse about the names of the helicopter AH-64 Apache or BGM-109 Tomahawk.
The Americans not only occupied the lands of the Indians, but also exterminated them !!

[Irbiz123]

China on the opinion of Western "Xperds"

[fa2998]

Quote: rocket757

AND WHY???

why did the USA call a whole series of UDCs "Tarawa"? Something I don't remember is what is in the states!
А

[orionvitt]

China has no moral right to do so.

Interest Ask. What about the moral right of Americans to call everything by the names of Indian chiefs and tribes? Like "Cherokee", "Apache" and so on. They did not like Tibet, the impudence is outrageous.

[Oleg Aviator]

Better to let these media analyze all illegal occupations and wars that NATO has unleashed and then stink of Tibet.

[Herman 4223]

The next boat they need to call New York. Let them rage over a puddle or shoot at New York.

[ruivit1988]

I once watched a program about slavery in Tibet. So I would argue with the fact that the Chinese call the ships by the names of the cities of Tibet. In general, in my opinion, there should be a monument to how the Chinese eliminated slavery in Tibet in every village, let alone a city. In order to remind local young citizens with a fragile mind of this. And the Chinese would not hurt to make several films about these events in order to silence the supporters of the "occupation of Tibet".

[Dmitry Antipin]

"The cost of a Chinese warship of this type is an order of magnitude lower than the same Zamvolts." By an order of magnitude, this is 10 times, if that. Figures for the studio, please.

[Basarev]

They are doing it right. You can never put up with lawlessness. I have always said: an invader and an occupier will never become a legitimate owner, even after centuries. Because to recognize the occupation as legitimate means to legalize aggressive war and war crimes, which will open a wide road for the most fierce militarism and fascism. That is why it is so important to take a principled position and never recognize such cannibalism as legal. The offender must be punished. China must be poor and underdeveloped.

[Altona]

Zamwolt and Lhasa are words that are incomprehensible to me, insignificant to my ears. Why are they breaking spears in general is not clear at all. Second, Zamwalt, the same old-fashioned original American was conceived as a platform for a railgun and is equipped with electrical installations that could serve the district center in terms of power supply. And what is the "similarity" of the Chinese ship is not clear to me. There are some missiles, albeit new, "iron" hulls of the wrong shape. In general, for me this is about nothing, especially the problems of some Tibet and how it relates to the name of the destroyer.

[Blackgrifon]

China has no moral right to do so.

- and this is told by people whose ancestors destroyed about 100 million people of the indigenous population of the SA, drowned China with drugs, starved the peoples of India and Africa. Spanish shame ...

[astra wild2]

"have no mitral right", and the Chinese only grin. Wait, we won't come up with something like that.
The Chinese think like this: this is our ship, Lhasa is the administrative center of our province, which means you are going to the forest in the distant lands

[Freedim]

Yeah .. Something I don’t remember any more state, which in the 20th and 21st centuries squeezed out the territory of another country as a result of its own aggression, and for it there was nothing ... The Chinese were able to do what neither England nor Germany, nor the notorious Americans. Although it may be for the best. I hope the Chinese do not flatten the former Nepalese there as their Uyghurs. The ship was even named after their city.

[Maks1995]

All bullshit. You never know who says what. even the names of "critics" did not lead - a network trifle?

[Lyabaka]

The Chinese are great - they don't ask the West for permission. It's all of us who are shaking as if not to offend the "civilized" ones.

[Buoy tour]

I propose to our Armed Forces of the Russian Federation the following ships, which will join the fleet, to name Odessa, Nikolaev, Kharkov, Lugansk, Donbas, Crimea, if the "neighbors" behave badly, then Kiev, if the overseas ones "screech" Alaska. The name would go to an icebreaker: - the icebreaker "Alaska" sounds good

[Alexey Any]

criticized by those whose ancestors bombed Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, burned the Vietnamese with napalm, etc. etc.