Tokyo suspects North Korea of ​​copying Russian Iskander missiles

The North Korean military launched short-range ballistic missiles today. In Japan, they assume that they are copies of the Russian Iskander.

According to the agency TASS, this opinion was expressed by Yu Koizumi, an employee of the Center for Advanced Scientific and Technological Research of the University of Tokyo, who in his country is considered one of the most authoritative experts in the military field.

I believe they were short-range ballistic missiles, which we call the KN-23. This is a North Korean copy of the missile, which is called Iskander in Russia.

- Koizumi says.

Thus, an expert from Tokyo suspects the DPRK of copying Russian Iskander missiles. He bases his opinion on the fact that the ballistic missiles launched by North Korea had a specific low trajectory. The Japanese expert believes that it is typical of the Russian Iskander.

He also drew attention to the message of the North Korean military, which said that the highest point of the missiles' flight was 60 kilometers, and their range was 450 kilometers.

Kyodo reported that Pyongyang's first ballistic missile launch this year was discussed at a meeting of Japan's National Security Council. He also caused an emergency meeting of the South Korean government.

Comments

[Split]

We didn't seem to supply them with Iskander ... but who knows.
If you could copy - well done
The DPRK is so small, but serious about it ... after all, our Iskanders in KalininGrad are making a noise all over Europe. Since this council has already gathered a meeting ... I think smoking is not easy
I think that after all, as in Syria, we supplied them with technologies, it is beneficial for us, and they are our partners in a good sense of the word.
Against the samurai, who were faithful to honor, fought against the states, and then, in fact, they were sold to them ... at the end of the 2nd all Japan was wiped off the face of the earth and where so many resources come from ... they even have iron in deficiency

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Split

... at the end of the 2nd, all of Japan was wiped off the face of the earth and where did so many resources come from ... they even have iron in deficiency

Even in the days of Pushkin, they knew

As the state grows rich,
And how he lives, and why he does not need gold,
When a simple product has.

Well, the Americans carried about poiogli at the time. A showcase of capitalism was being built.

[Split]

This showcase is under my window ... a 5d Honda Civic, which is a spaceship ... it has a 171 thousand engine better than a 76 aveo Shevrale. By the elm and the pressure drop in the intake can be seen with the naked eye. Vesch! (c) The car is 13 years old

[KCA]

So the Chevrolet Aveo is not a product of the results of the Korean War, which was sold to the United States by the Republic of Korea? This is Daewoo, not a native American GM

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: KCA

So the Chevrolet Aveo is not a product of the results of the Korean War, which was sold to the United States by the Republic of Korea? This is Daewoo, not a native American GM

What did you say who is Daewoo What is the American noeeeeeeeee .. I will torture Claudia To us, FRIEND, let the American you-Do not consider us worse than yourself, there will be contact ... Chevrolet Aveo. What is it? And Armata .... ..Bottlers don't know ...... Until next time!

[Split]

Aveo, this is Dao Kalas earlier, they essentially borrowed the designs and released them. For me, such a beautiful car, I had a silver ... unpretentious, but I personally went through the entire front suspension, including the fucking stabilizer bushings to use them

[smart fellow]

And now this showcase has a GDP 3 times greater than that of Russia.

[evgen1221]

Look at the history of Japan on YouTube - after the war, 40 years to 79, they were like the damned for this little Japanese happiness to be an advanced country with no resources other than people. On their example, there is definitely a lot to learn, with the smoothing out of some glaring insanities of their domestic economic policy.

[Flooding]

How many contradictions have accumulated in the Far East.
Only the eastern mentality saves from the outbreak.
If the Europeans lived there, they would have crumbled each other into a vinaigrette long ago.

[Real Pilot]

To copy, you need to have a sample!
And Russia did not supply Iskanders to North Korea.

That is, all the development of missiles "based on" is the world practice. Long, round, with an engine and rudders? Does it fly 500 km?
Well, exactly "Iskander".

[Real Pilot]

You know, I'll give you an example of a discussion on the Internet from 2014.

When the APU rolled out the Tochka-U complexes.
And some "expert" from Nezalezhnaya asked the question: why "U"? And he answered that the UKRAINIAN!

So Tokyo's suspicions are still a story

[NDR-791]

In general, for two days I hear that the rockets were WINGED !!! What kind of Iskander could be then?
"North Korea tested cruise missiles, not ballistic missiles, at the end of last week, which does not violate UN Security Council (SC) resolutions," the Yonhap news agency reported on Wednesday, citing its own sources.
According to the newspaper, South Korean intelligence has established that Pyongyang at the end of last week, after a significant break, conducted missile test tests. Moreover, unlike all past tests, the DPRK did not comment on the launches in any way, which confused the United States and South Korea. Later it was found that cruise missiles were tested, and this is not a violation of the UN Security Council resolution. " (from the article on VO)

[Mouse]

suspicion will not approach the case ...

[rocket757]

Tokyo suspects North Korea of ​​copying Russian Iskander missiles

So what's the problem?

[Lara Croft]

I believe they were short-range ballistic missiles, which we call the KN-23. This is a North Korean copy of the missile, which is called Iskander in Russia.

Why did the Iskander OTRK begin firing short-range ballistic missiles in our country? Hike the difference was erased between the missiles of the "ground-to-ground" class .... TR, OTR, BR is small. distant, BR Wed distant, ICBM ... everything is one ...

[Crash]

OTRK "Iskander" we started to shoot short-range ballistic missiles

Originally and shot It was up to 500 km so as not to violate the INF Treaty

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Crasher

OTRK "Iskander" we started to shoot short-range ballistic missiles

Originally and shot It was up to 500 km so as not to violate the INF Treaty

How long has he started shooting now? In addition, the countries of the Wassenaar Accords should not scatter missile technologies and sell missiles with a range of more than 300 km.
So if we assume that the Russian Federation has begun to produce BR / KR is small. and / or cf. range (ground-based), then they could not get to Eunu, even the Iskander OTRK could not drink Eunu, since there the declared range is 480 km, and in the conditions of sanctions against Eun, even the Tochka U OTRK could not get ... to Eunwoo ...
But nevertheless, evil people here wrote on VO that Eun and the S-300 prototype was developed by "their own engineers", probably the bastards are lying ...

[APASUS]

Why is it interesting in Japan they decided that this is a copy of Iskander, and not the OTRK DF-12 / M20. With Korea, China is the main ally.,

[Viktor Afanasev]

Let them copy!
We don't feel sorry for them

[Old26]

Quote: RealPilot

To copy, you need to have a sample!
And Russia did not supply Iskanders to North Korea.

That is, all the development of missiles "based on" is the world practice. Long, round, with an engine and rudders? Does it fly 500 km?
Well, exactly "Iskander".

YOU are absolutely right, comrade! Precisely, that is for reasons. If we put 7 missiles radically, such as the Chinese DF-12, the Ukrainian Grom-2, the South Korean Henma-2, our Iskander and three North Korean missiles: the Pukgukson-1 in the GLBM-1 version (ground version) , "Pukgukson-2" in the GLBM-2 version (ground version), "Pukgukson-3" in the GLBM-3 version (ground version), they all differ from each other:
A) dimensions
B) launchers.
And so they are more or less similar to each other and, with the exception of the North Korean ones, it is not very easy to distinguish whose each

Quote: NDR-791

In general, for two days I hear that the rockets were WINGED !!!

True, the photo in that article was a ballistic missile "Pukgukson-2"

I believe they were short-range ballistic missiles, which we call the KN-23. This is a North Korean copy of the missile, which is called Iskander in Russia.

These North Korean missiles have never been short-range missiles. According to the classification, short-range missiles are missiles with a firing range of 120-150 km (the upper limit is different for different countries). Second. The KN-23 index is the index of one of three North Korean missiles similar to Iskander. Another one has a KN-24 index

[prior]

Add a 200-300 kilometer range to a Korean rocket and Japan's kirdyk

[Old26]

Quote: prior

Add a 200-300 kilometer range to a Korean rocket and Japan's kirdyk

The extended version of the North Korean Iskander, known as the Paekguksong-3 (GLBM-3 or KN-26), has a range of 1900 km.
The Baekguksong-2 (GLBM-2 or KN-23) has a range of 450 km, and the Baekguksong-1 (GLBM-1 or KN-24) has a range of 410 km. South Korea gets covered, Japan is out of reach

[Old26]

Quote: Lara Croft

How long has he started shooting now? In addition, the countries of the Wassenaar Accords should not scatter missile technologies and sell missiles with a range of more than 300 km.

Small clarification (addition). If both countries, and the "seller" and "buyer" are a party to these agreements, then this limitation does not apply. The most typical example can be considered a new version of "Onyx" / "Yakhont". Now we can already supply India and our developments with a range of more than 300 km.

Quote: Lara Croft

So if we assume that the Russian Federation has begun to produce BR / KR is small. and / or cf. range (ground-based), then they could not get to Eunu, even the Iskander OTRK could not drink Eunu, since there the declared range is 480 km, and in the conditions of sanctions against Eun, even the Tochka U OTRK could not get ... to Eunwoo ...

We do not produce medium-range missiles YET, but we did produce short-range missiles even during the existence of the INF Treaty. For, according to the classification, short-range missiles are considered to be missiles with a range of up to 120-150 km.
North Korea has a "Point" option. Called KN-02 by Western classification

[Lara Croft]

Old26 (Vladimir) Small clarification (addition). If both countries, and the "seller" and "buyer" are a party to these agreements, then this limitation does not apply.

The DPRK is not a party to the Wassenaar Accords, so your comment on mine, to put it mildly, is not a topic ...

For according to the classification of missiles short-range missiles are considered with a range of up to 120-150 km.

By no means.

According to the agreement, the USSR and the USA refused to produce medium and shorter-range missiles (range 500–5500 km) and possess them.

https://www.popmech.ru/weapon/408062-mezhkontinentalnye-rakety-s-razdelyaemymi-golovnymi-chastyami-apokalipsis/

The Treaty on Intermediate-Range and Short-Range Missiles (INF Treaty) between the USSR and the United States was signed in 1987. Not only ballistic missiles, but also any ground-based missiles with a range of more than 500 kilometers and less than 5500 kilometers, were banned.

https://meduza.io/feature/2018/10/24/chem-rakety-maloy-i-sredney-dalnosti-opasnee-mezhkontinentalnyh-kak-bystro-rossiya-i-ssha-mogut-naladit-ih-proizvodstvo
However, let's see the INF Treaty itself, where the terms and definitions are clearly indicated:

Term shorter range missile means BRNB or KRNB, range of which is equal to or exceeds 500 kilometers, but does not exceed 1000 kilometers.

http://www.armscontrol.ru/start/rus/docs/rsmd.htm
Clause 6 of Article II of the INF Treaty
Thus, as I pointed out earlier, the Tochka, Tochka OTRK, Tochka U and Iskander OTRK do not fall under shorter-range missile launchers, since the range of their missiles is less than 500 km.

North Korea has a "Point" option. Called KN-02 by Western classification

In the course, however, it was drunk on the DPRK before the sanctions, the year of adoption was 2007, all other TR and OTR were adopted earlier ...

[Old26]

Quote: Lara Croft

By no means.
According to the agreement, the USSR and the USA refused to produce and possess intermediate and shorter-range missiles (range of 500–5500 km).

You confuse rockets SHORT RANGE and rockets LESS RANGE... The first ones have a range of up to 120-150 km and are most often called tactical. Shorter range - according to the INF Treaty, these are missiles with a firing range of 500 to 1000 km. The classification is quite interesting and does not coincide in the same USA and Russia (USSR). As an example
Missiles in the USSR were subdivided into tactical, operational-tactical, operational-tactical extended-range, medium-range, intercontinental and global missiles.
Missiles in the United States were divided into battlefield missiles, tactical missiles, theater missiles (in turn, they were divided into short and medium range), intermediate range, intercontinental limited and full range. Plus three more - five divisions.

[Barmal]

The DPRK launched a rocket, hailey likely, this is Iskander's generic, conclusion? Sanctions on the Russian Federation.

[Evgenijus]

Maybe they stole from me? :
https://youtu.be/lMONLlXHuLw