"Admiral Gorshkov" went to sea to test the hypersonic "Zircon"

The Ministry of Defense continues testing the Zircon hypersonic missile. According to the press service of the military department, the frigate of the Northern fleet "Admiral of the Soviet Union Fleet Gorshkov" went to the Barents Sea to conduct missile launches.

According to the report, "Admiral Gorshkov", participating in the "Zircon" test program, on Wednesday went to one of the Northern Fleet's sea ranges, where it will conduct a series of firing at sea targets. After completing combat exercises, the ship will return to Severomorsk.

The crew of the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" left for the Barents Sea, where they will work out a number of elements of the combat training course and will fire missile and artillery weapons at sea targets

- said in a statement.

In early March of this year, some media outlets, citing sources in the defense industry, reported that the Zircon hypersonic missile test program was accelerating with the aim of adopting the missile into service in the first half of 2022.

According to the source, test launches of missiles from surface and submarine carriers will now go in parallel, and not in turn, as previously reported.

"Admiral Gorshkov" during this year will make two launches within the framework of flight design tests and up to four - within the framework of state tests. In parallel, tests will begin from the Severodvinsk board, up to four launches are also expected, the first of which will be made from the surface.

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[Hunter 2]

Seven Feet Under the Keel and Successful Challenges! The Navy Needs Zircons! Good luck and Health to the team and the Commander ... well, to the producers of Zircons and the commission

[figwam]

New ships - new missiles!

[antivirus]

Are you talking about ships - the US Navy?

very quick humor

[figwam]

Quote: antivirus

Are you talking about ships - the US Navy?

No, about Russian frigates.

[antivirus]

New ships - new missiles!

Once again the question: not too quickly to get our missiles to their ships?

[Ferrari Stradale]

Why does the fleet need Zircon? Zircon is a stratospheric weapon, it has a high start, suicide for the carrier ship. For this reason, the United States does not even have supersonic anti-ship missiles, only low-flying anti-ship missiles that hide the carrier ship behind the radio horizon line.

Zircon can only hit ships at anchor in ports, the scramjet engine works only at a nominal height in the stratosphere, when it descends into the dense layers of the atmosphere, the engine is not working, Zircon turns into a falling subsonic warhead with a high flat flight profile. An air defense breakthrough is not possible, because it assumes a horizontal low-flying profile of 5 meters above sea level, such a profile can only be given by a rocket with a working engine. The Zircon warhead is ten times easier to intercept at the terminal stage than any subsonic anti-ship missile. In addition, the warhead has no maneuverability without reducing the energy-speed, therefore ballistic missiles are used only against ships in ports at anchor.

Quote from the patent "NPO Mashinostroyenia" (developer of Zircon):
"The engine, designed to perform hypersonic cruise flight at high altitude, is not capable of continuing to work at low-altitude trajectory sections associated with a decrease in the flight number M, it follows that the rocket should approach a ground or surface target with an inoperative engine;"

[Thrifty]

Ferrari, everything is just a subsonic missile, and a longer flight range, or a supersonic one with a shorter and significantly greater flight range, but with greater "survivability"! Zircon is the third option, and a long flight range, and high speed, which implies a high probability of guaranteed hitting the target.

[Ferrari Stradale]

Zircon has a hypersonic speed of Mach 8 only in the middle section of flight at an altitude of 28m, but the goal is at sea at an altitude of 000m, with a decrease, atmospheric pressure increases and all missiles or warheads repeatedly lose speed in dense layers of the atmosphere, braking occurs - this is a physical law.
In addition, do not forget that Zircon has an accumulated horizontal kinetic energy of 9800 km / h, it needs a long stopping distance, that is, a long, gentle flight profile with a constant loss of speed and altitude, an easy prey for fighters.

[figwam]

Quote: FerrariStradale

easy prey for fighters.

So silly...

[bayard]

Quote: FerrariStradale

easy prey for fighters.

Come on - they will shoot down with slingshots. Or from the Hammer mortar.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

You don’t feel that every word you say is nonsense !!!!!

[Astoria]

Lord, you can't even rewrite in your own words - stupid copy-paste.

[ironic]

By the way, the Dagger is an aetobalistic rocket, which differs from Iskander conceptually only by an air launch and, accordingly, by constructive adaptation to it, and so this is a BR as a BR.

[ABC-schutze]

I apologize to ask ... But what, does not "ships anchored" in the ports of the military enemy of Russia, the enemy's air defense SAME, cover? .. Like the ports themselves (naval base)? ..

[Dart2027]

Quote: ABC-schütze

And what, isn't "ships anchored" in the ports of the military enemy of Russia, the enemy's air defense SAME, does not cover?

It is not a fact that this person even knows what air defense is.

[lucul]

Why does the fleet need Zircon? Zircon is a stratospheric weapon, it has a high start, suicide for the carrier ship.

Start 1 km from the target, how will the target ship hit Gorshkov in response to such a range? )))) Let me remind you that Zircon will fly 000 km in just 1 minutes)))

For this reason, the United States does not even have supersonic anti-ship missiles, only low-flying anti-ship missiles that hide the carrier ship behind the radio horizon line.

Nothing more than rubbish)))) The United States recently admitted that it does not have the technology to create an answer to Zircon.

Zircon can only hit ships at anchor in ports, the scramjet engine works only at a nominal height in the stratosphere, when it descends into the dense layers of the atmosphere, the engine is not working, Zircon turns into a falling subsonic warhead with a high flat flight profile.

He overcomes this distance in a couple of seconds and at high speed. )))

An air defense breakthrough is not possible,

Breakthrough air defense -100%, there are no missiles capable of intercepting Zircon)))

The Zircon warhead is ten times easier to intercept at the terminal stage than any subsonic anti-ship missile.

Laughed to tears))))

In addition, the warhead has no maneuverability without reducing the energy-speed, therefore ballistic missiles are used only against ships in ports at anchor.

Imagine, in fact, Zircon is the same meteorite, when it swoops down - the target is doomed.

[Kalmar]

Not agreeing with Ferrari Stradale , nevertheless I will note:

Quote: lucul

Start 1 km from the target, how will the target ship hit Gorshkov in response to such a range?

Attack aircraft (in the case of an aircraft carrier), Tomahawk Block Va missiles are an option. Then, there remains the cornerstone of intelligence: who will be the first to get a normal control center, "Gorshkov" or his victim? What will be the distance between the ships at this moment?

Quote: lucul

He covers this distance in a couple of seconds and at high speed.

With a declared speed of 10M (it is not specified, it is constant or peak) in a couple of seconds, he will fly something about 7 km. Yes, I'm a bore.

Quote: lucul

Air defense breakthrough -100%, no missiles capable of intercepting Zircon

A very unfounded statement. On a collision course, interception is possible (in theory; in practice, there is nothing to check). Then, air defense is not only missiles, but also KREP. GOS "Zircon" already works in extremely unfavorable conditions (high speed, plasma cocoon, etc.); additional interference will make it even more difficult to find and lock onto a target.

Quote: lucul

Imagine, in fact, Zircon is the same meteorite, when it swoops down - the target is doomed.

Under one important condition: he dives right on target. But this is not so simple.

[ABC-schutze]

Hmm ... I'm far from the problems of the army. But, they "say" that the state "railgun" WOULD throw its blank from the platforms of the "Zamvolt" type for 300 - 350 miles. That is, for the same 400 - 500 km, on which the "potential client" should be served by the "Zircons" Gorshkov. And the shtatovskaya "railgun" blank also flies with the capture of the stratospheric section. As you can understand, Uncle Sam abandoned the "railgun" (or rather, pushed it, BEFORE, into the "back box") for two simple reasons. The first is the road shot itself. And the energy potential of the platform-carrier, YET, does not allow to ensure the economical maintenance and consumption of the required combat arsenal of striking elements. Second, the accuracy of hitting small targets such as a tank, bunker, command post, and POCA is guaranteed with a very low probability. On a pot with Zircon, there are no such extensions, it seems, there is no ... PU, - universal, if I'm not mistaken. And the potential parameters of the target, at the indicated distance, are pretty much beyond the limits of small or even medium-sized. Basically, the target is the enemy's SHIP. This means that the task of ensuring a high probability of hitting a target, for calculating the corresponding warhead of Gorshkov, is less difficult than with an American blank. There remains, of course, the question of the potential for a timely and effective response of the enemy's air defense (naval grouping) to the approach of the Zircon warhead to the target platform. Well, Duc who will now clearly answer this question? .. In short, Russia, its defense industry and the navy, are being tested in practice (while under test conditions) and new types of modern strike weapons are being evaluated. Those. doing NORMAL, PLANNED work. And it is right ...

[lucul]

Tomahawk Block Va rockets are an option.

Zircon, overcomes 1000 km to the goal in 10 minutes, and this Tomahawk flies for more than an hour - is there a difference?

Strike aviation

The AWACS plane Hokai has a combat radius of 350 km.

With a declared speed of 10M (it is not specified, it is constant or peak) in a couple of seconds, he will fly something about 7 km. Yes, I'm a bore.

It meant a dive from a height of 28 km.

A very unfounded statement.

Okay, I'll give 99%, not 100%.)))
1% on the fact that a meteorite will somehow accidentally fall into Zircon - since you are so meticulous.

Under one important condition: he dives right on target. But this is not so simple.

This is for you, it's not that simple - our designers don't see any problems here.

[Kalmar]

Quote: lucul

Zircon flies to the target for 10 minutes, and this Tomahawk for more than an hour - is there a difference?

If we are talking about a duel, when two ships stood opposite each other a thousand kilometers away and fired on command, the difference is significant. This is the only way no one fights.

Quote: lucul

The AWACS plane Hokai has a combat radius of 350 km.

Plus, it also looks at 550 kilometers with a radar, if I'm not mistaken. It can be compared with our AWACS, which do not exist (the A-50 works so-so for sea targets). Which, in general, answers the question "who will see and attack whom first."

If the control center is available from the outside, then it will not hurt to compare with the sum of the combat radius of the F-18 (about 700 km) or the F-35C (even more) and its promising weapons in the form of the AGM-158c or JSM (both up to 500 km).

Quote: lucul

Okay, I'll give 99%, not 100%.)))

Well, you can give whatever you want, only in life everything is not so rosy. The first supersonic Soviet missiles were also considered almost indestructible, but they quickly learned to deal with them.

Quote: lucul

This is for you, it's not that simple - our designers don't see any problems here.

Search and selection of targets is, generally speaking, one of the biggest problems in the development of anti-ship missiles. Especially when you consider that all this happens with the active opposition of the enemy. It is not difficult to find how many problems the American KREP created for our Kh-22 and P-500.

[ironic]

Does not overcome, the average speed of past tests has already been calculated, somewhere 4.5M. 8-9M only in the middle section of the trojectory. those. all 20 minutes. And the rocket for 1000 km must still be guided with something exactly, but on this issue it is still unclear how it is organized as a whole. The designers did not see the whole problem of calling the Dagger a hypersonic missile, but for some reason they hung a 2Mt warhead on the glider, although it has been scientifically proven that warheads in the range of 100-300Kt, with which the Yars and Bulava are armed, have the greatest efficiency, with high accuracy.

[Barberry25]

Well, since 2 missiles have already been made and they are finishing the third guidance problem, they decided at the final stage

[ironic]

From when it will be put into service and given general open information, then it will be clear what is actually being directed there and how.

[Barberry25]

the United States does not have supersonic sound, because it lacks the competence and technology to which they themselves admitted

[Split]

Well, God forbid that everything goes well and finally put the long-suffering into service

[mark1]

Quote: Split

long-suffering

Oh well, she hasn't suffered in any place yet, all the way

[Split]

It is a replacement for granite, and granite was developed in the 60s! It is clear that in the humpbacker they did not think about this even in the time of ebn, then the Supreme Commander-in-Chief happened ... how much time has passed? 20 years minimum
The same long-suffering Bulava ... and Sarmat too

[Split]

Oh, skip minuses, instead of stating, admit reality, I'm a patriot and got bullets (thank God in armor)
Slowly, we still create weapons that are incomparable with their brains, although they say that 70% have left for the west ... a trifle that has gone away and feels like the creator of a thermonuclear reactor. Did I take into account them, no ... my friend left ... and something like that, but I live in mother Russia better than him

[Grits]

Quote: Split

Well, God forbid that everything goes well and finally put the long-suffering into service

Bulava was long-suffering. And so far nothing abnormal has happened to Zircon. Hopefully it won't happen

[Pravodel]

Great news. Thanks to the Defense Ministry and the commander-in-chief for increasing the power of our army !!!

[Flooding]

Quote: The Truth

Thank you ... the commander-in-chief for increasing the power of our army !!!

this is relevant))

[faterdom]

No rest to the guys! Are looking forward to.

[ABC-schutze]

Therefore, the Russian economy, "torn to shreds" by a certain "Obama", is badly poor, it works ...

[Ros 56]

God forbid he hooks someone from NATO, there will be a squeal all over the Arctic, white bears will scatter.

[Asad]

Where do white bears come from in the Arctic?

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: ASAD

Where do white bears come from in the Arctic?

? There are a lot of them (white bears) in the Arctic, if you do not know, then this raises great doubts about your adequacy))

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: ASAD

Where do white bears come from in the Arctic?

They were born there .. They have lived from time immemorial ... Since ancient times ... Did you think that kangaroos are found in the Arctic?

[Grits]

Quote: ASAD

Where do white bears come from in the Arctic?

From the same place as the penguins in Antarctica

[Ros 56]

It is necessary to have a snack, dear.

[iouris]

Will the frigate pass through the Volga-Don canal?

[KCA]

Here there was a direct genuine interest - why?

[iouris]

Hike along the Volga and Kama.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Ros 56

God forbid he hooks someone from NATO

The screech will be heard even if the Cyclone carrier gets close to the range of the shot.

[ironic]

And if they do not come close, too. And your budgets are also knocked out, shouting - look what they are doing!

[Old26]

Quote: FerrariStradale

Why does the fleet need Zircon? Zircon is a stratospheric weapon, it has a high start, suicide for the carrier ship. For this reason, the United States does not even have supersonic anti-ship missiles, only low-flying anti-ship missiles that hide the carrier ship behind the radio horizon line.

Zircon can only hit ships at anchor in ports, the scramjet engine works only at a nominal height in the stratosphere, when it descends into the dense layers of the atmosphere, the engine is not working, Zircon turns into a falling subsonic warhead with a high flat flight profile. An air defense breakthrough is not possible, because it assumes a horizontal low-flying profile of 5 meters above sea level, such a profile can only be given by a rocket with a working engine. The Zircon warhead is ten times easier to intercept at the terminal stage than any subsonic anti-ship missile. In addition, the warhead has no maneuverability without reducing the energy-speed, therefore ballistic missiles are used only against ships in ports at anchor.

Quote from the patent "NPO Mashinostroyenia" (developer of Zircon):
"The engine, designed to perform hypersonic cruise flight at high altitude, is not capable of continuing to work at low-altitude trajectory sections associated with a decrease in the flight number M, it follows that the rocket should approach a ground or surface target with an inoperative engine;"

.... Zircon's hypersonic speed is Mach 8 only in the middle section of flight at an altitude of 28m, but the target is at sea at an altitude of 000m, with a decrease, atmospheric pressure increases and all missiles or warheads repeatedly lose speed in dense layers of the atmosphere, braking occurs - it is a physical law.
By the way, do not forget that Zircon has an accumulated horizontal kinetic energy of 9800 km / h, it needs a long stopping distance, that is, a long, gentle flight profile with a constant loss of speed and altitude, easy prey for fighters ...

How many absurdities in one post. I don’t even know if it’s worth considering all this set of absurdities (such as kinetic energy measured in kilometers / hour) or just put another minus on the author?

[ironic]

Inaccuracies do exist, but the questions still remain largely open. What is Zircon is not yet known even in general terms.

[petrol cutter]

... "on the acceleration of the Zircon hypersonic missile test program with the aim of adopting the missile into service in the first half of 2022."
Just go ahead, no acceleration.
Bo, for some reason, accelerations lead to "storming" (which, in principle, does not give anything / only fiercely interferes). And fiercely negatively affects the quality.
Instead of providing the pr-v with high-quality equipment and consumables for it.

[ironic]

It will be interesting to finally find out what kind of bird it is.