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Name and feat on the “hero's desk”. Commemorative project dedicated to the heroes of the border guards

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Remember! Through the centuries, through the years - remember!

About those who will never come again - remember!

These lines are taken from the poem "Requiem" written by the famous Soviet poet Robert Rozhdestvensky in 1960.

Human memory is the best reward


Following the poetic words of Robert Ivanovich, in order to perpetuate the memory of the heroes-border guards, the Stavropol regional branch of the Russian Council of Border Service Veterans is actively implementing the seemingly modest, at first glance, memorable project “Hero's Party”. There is no doubt that the project is patriotic. Moreover, the Stavropol land is known for its heroes.

They, who grew up or served in these places, left one day on orders to defend the Fatherland and performed their heroic deeds. Their exploits were reflected in the original, even somewhat unexpected, idea of ​​the "Hero's Desk".

The project was developed by representatives of the Council of Veterans of the Stavropol Territory Border Service. He in an accessible form tells boys and girls about school graduates and fellow countrymen who have performed a feat and have shown personal courage and courage in defending the Motherland.


The first four desks were opened in 2020 in several educational institutions of the region.

Remember in Kazgulak, remember in Nevinnomyssk and Donskoy


Each resident of the village of Kazgulak in the Stavropol Territory honors the memory of his fellow countryman - Hero of the Soviet Union, colonel - border guard Ivan Petrovich Barsukov. Veterans of the regional council, together with Major General Pavel Solovyov, presented his exploits in the Afghan war, displayed on the Hero's Party, at the Stavropol Presidential Cadet School and at school No. 18 of the city of regional significance Nevinnomyssk.

And in February 2021, representatives of the Regional Council of Veterans of the Border Guard Service and activists of the Trunovsky Municipal District opened a border class "Sentinels of the Motherland" at school No. 6 in the village of Donskoy, held a ceremony for attaching the banner to the flagstaff and opened the "Hero's Party" by the Knight of the Order of the Red Star border guard Pavel Buravtsev , who died on November 22, 1985 in a battle near the Afghan village of Afridzh.


The solemn event was attended by Tatyana Aristova, deputy head of the Trunovsk municipal district administration, Andrei Sinitsyn, director of the school, Priest Pyotr Yurkin, rector of the Holy Trinity Church in the village of Donskoy, Anastasia Korolenko, president of student self-government, youth soldiers and school students.


"Hero's Desk" by Pavel Buravtsev found its place in the border class "Sentinels of the Motherland", next to the desk, which reflects the name and feat of the border fighter Stanislav Antonenkov. Its opening took place a month earlier. And now the schoolchildren of the village of Donskoye have two symbols with the names of the heroes and their exploits. It's no secret that this is an additional incentive for boys and girls to study well and be among the best.

Let's not forget anyone


There is no doubt that the veteran border guards of Stavropol have done a huge and important job, and today "Hero's desks" are already in many educational institutions of the region. They immortalize the brave and courageous deeds of border guards and military personnel:


- Commander of the Order of Courage, junior sergeant Stanislav Antonenkov, who died in 2001 while performing a combat mission, being blown up by a booby trap: the Solnyshko children's home, gymnasium number 9 and school number 50 of the city of Stavropol, school number 6 in the village of Donskoye, GKU Orphanage »No. 19 of the city of Novopavlovsk, Orphanage No. 17 of the village of Tolstovo-Vasyukovskoye.

- Hero of the Soviet Union, Lieutenant Pyotr Stratiychuk, who distinguished himself during the Kerch-Eltigen operation in 1943: School No. 1 in the village of Kursavka, Andropovskiy MO.


- Commander of the Order of the Red Banner, Private Sergei Rybnikov, who died in a battle on the border in 1991: School No. 1 in the village of Kursavka, Andropovskiy MO.


- Chevalier of the Order of the Red Star, head of the motomangroup, Major Anatoly Vorontsov, who died in a battle with dushmans in Afghanistan in 1982: School No. 64 in the city of Stavropol.

- Chevalier of the Order of the Red Star, junior sergeant Pavel Buravtsev: school number 64, cadet school named after General A.P. Ermolov of the city of Stavropol, school number 6 of the village of Donskoye, school number 3 of the village Sovetskaya, Kirovsky GO.


- Hero of the Russian Federation, helicopter pilot, Lieutenant Colonel Leonid Konstantinov, who rescued people during the shelling of a helicopter in May 2001 and died from his fatal wounds: grammar school No. 7 in the village of Donskoye, school No. 5 in the city of Mikhailovsk, grammar school No. 9, school No. 50 and the Cadet school named after General A.P. Ermolov of the city of Stavropol.

- Chevalier of the Order of the Red Star, Lieutenant Timofei Drobot, who died in August 1944: school number 1 of the city of Izobilny.


- Chevalier of the Order of Courage, Private Evgeny Rodionov, beheaded in Chechen captivity in May 1996: School No. 1 in the city of Izobilny.


- Chevalier of the Order of Courage, senior lieutenant of the medical service Vasily Tretyak, who died in a battle in the North Caucasus in June 2004: schools No. 44 and No. 20 of the city of Stavropol.


- Commander of the Order of Courage, Lieutenant Colonel Vasily Kvitko, who died in a shootout with saboteurs in the Republic of Abkhazia in April 2011: School No. 15 in the city of Kislovodsk.


- Participant of the counter-terrorist operation in Chechnya, Sergeant Alexei Varetsin, who distinguished himself in the performance of a combat mission: School No. 3 of the village Sovetskaya, Kirovsky GO.

- Hero of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant Colonel Mikhail Minenkov, who distinguished himself during the counter-terrorist operation in the North Caucasus in October 1999: School No. 18 in the city of Nevinnomyssk.


- Chevalier of the Order of Courage, senior warrant officer Yuri Konchakov, who died in battle in the North Caucasus in September 2001: Lyceum No. 35 of the city of Stavropol.


- Private Pavel Kapinos, who killed about 60 fascists and died heroically in the first hours of the Great Patriotic War on June 22, 1941: School No. 15 in the village of Preobrazhenskoye.


- Veteran of the Great Patriotic War, foreman of the outpost of the 19th border detachment Ivan Obryaschenko: school number 9 in the village of Tolstovo-Vasyukovskoye, school number 15 in the village of Preobrazhenskoye.

The right to study for the "Hero's Party" is given to activists and the best students of schools. Already in 2021, veteran border guards installed 31 "Hero's Party" in 3 orphanages, as well as 28 schools and gymnasiums in Stavropol.

In preparing the publication, materials provided by the press service of the Stavropol branch of the RSVPS were used.
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  1. Tatyana
    Tatyana 28 March 2021 15: 13
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    I completely agree with the patriotic educational work at school!
    Only a priest in a public secondary school WHY?
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 28 March 2021 17: 05
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      Quote: Tatiana
      Only a priest in a public secondary school WHY?

      I was also jarred by the presence of the priest, because many of the deceased heroes were of different faiths.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 28 March 2021 18: 53
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        Quote: Stroporez
        I was also jarred by the presence of the priest, because many of the deceased heroes were of different faiths.

        First of all. According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, our multinational country is a LIGHT state, and faith is a PRIVATE affair of each citizen of Russia separately.
        According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the Church in Russia is separated from the state. The separation of church from state is the principle of the relationship between the state and the church, which implies the refusal of the state from interfering in the life of the church. The church must remain internally free. And in this sense, the principle of separation is more good than bad for the Church.
        But the church, as a legal entity, should not interfere in the internal affairs and life of the state.
        The separation of church and state is a philosophical concept to determine the political distance in relations between religious legal organizations and the state

        Second. The very religious confessions in Russia are also full - for Orthodox Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc.
        Why in the presence of numerous religious concepts in the Russian Federation to potentially divide children in the Russian state general education school on religious grounds into true believers and non-believers? Why introduce a religion that divides nations into a secular school? Who needs it?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 28 March 2021 19: 33
          +1
          Quote: Tatiana
          Why, in the presence of numerous religious concepts in the Russian Federation, should potentially divide children in the Russian state general education school on religious grounds into believers and non-believers?

          Absolutely agree !!! This will be another wedge driven into the internat. relations of the indigenous peoples of Russia.
  2. WHAT IS
    WHAT IS 28 March 2021 15: 14
    +8
    Well done. It's a big and necessary business. Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten.
  3. svp67
    svp67 28 March 2021 15: 20
    +6
    A good and useful initiative, only these desks should be placed on Kamchatka wink
  4. knn54
    knn54 28 March 2021 15: 26
    +6
    No! He never dies
    Whose life was bright and blameless,
    Whose unforgettable memory lives,
    It is firmly rooted in the hearts of people.
    Lope de Vega
  5. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 28 March 2021 16: 12
    +2
    Well, all this is beautiful, only I'm afraid that this is of little use and benevolent fetishism. Human memory will preserve about 10 such feats, in a couple of years more and more and more will fall from above, as a result, for the most part, a real person will remember only the most juicy and epic - the rest of the names / surnames and short posthumous biographies will unfortunately melt into mush and will be remembered at best, "ahh that pilot ..." or "well, I remember there was some kind of sailor" and "it seems that some border guards are there ..."
    One cannot accustom one to a feat, one cannot hammer in the head this very "Banzai!" there are people who genetically and psychoemotionally can, and there are those who will do something differently or will not do it at all. We have 100500 of these small heroes, each of whom is worthy of a monument for self-sacrifice, but in fact there will not be enough metal for these monuments, and at best they will issue some kind of short series of stamps and that will be the end of it.
    Zy and it is better for the kids instead of "lessons of patriotism" to conduct vocational guidance lessons, so that there is less flow of useless Vyshkonosets wiping their pants in offices.
    1. Sarboz
      Sarboz 29 March 2021 14: 19
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      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Zy and it is better for the kids instead of "lessons of patriotism" to conduct vocational guidance lessons, so that there is less flow of useless Vyshkonosets wiping their pants in offices.

      Yes. Let's continue to educate the ideal consumer. Already a whole generation of "millenariums" have been brought up. Here they are breeding decadent sentiments. Oh, everything is gone! In life, you can't talk about anything with them, the answer is the same: there is nothing to do in our city, you have to go to Moscow, you have to go out of this country. Let's give the education of the younger generation to our German Gref. Now he is already introducing his Sber Class into public education. In his elite private schools, he does not introduce it. For some reason. There will definitely not be a "hero's desk" in Gref's class.
      And to this day I try to go to school to teach a lesson in courage when asked. It's not easy though. 30 years have passed, and a lump in my throat when you tell the kids about it.
      Blessed memory of you, heroes-border guards, defenders of the Fatherland. Sleep well, guys. We remember you.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 29 March 2021 16: 16
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        First, we need an ideal consumer if we want our economy in the 21st century to be strong and independent. Do we want to launch domestic production of state-of-the-art chips and gadgets? Only on a military order this will not go far because our military spending is strictly limited. We want to launch domestic textiles, polymers, make domestic greenhouse or farm products more cost-effective, pull domestic cinema out of the half-dead state of detective fighters - for all this we need an ideal consumer.
        Secondly, the state, which positions itself as capitalist and in fact is practically no longer social, should not be trusted with "education", because in such a concept it will educate a person into a blind and thoughtless instrument with another portion of delusional "values" and views that will again and again break on the knee with the advent of new eras and new pharaohs. So it was when people were "brought up" after the tsar, after Lenin, after Stalin, after Khrushchev and after Brezhnev, and after 1991. Leave people and their values ​​alone - they will figure out what to do in this life, whom to love and how to dream. The modern state must collect and effectively distribute funds, creating a comfortable environment for its residents and progressive development for the entire system. The state is for the person, and NOT the person for the state.

        Do you not like what people bring down from small towns? Yeah, let's nail them there with nails?) Let's take their passport and say that they are HAPPY, that working at home until retirement at 65, in some Chelyabinsk they cleanse their karma or pay an immense patriotic debt that the stern faces of their ancestors look on them from granite steles and so on, so on .. while he will tell them this to little people with villas on Lake Coma in Italy or dual citizenship in the UK. Great plan ! And most importantly, after all, nothing needs to be changed for him - neither the issues of environmental or housing and construction policy, nor health care, nor the reduction of oppression on small and medium-sized businesses - to screw up there themselves, because there is nowhere to go.
  6. Time traveller
    Time traveller 28 March 2021 16: 41
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    Quote: Tatiana
    Only a priest in a public secondary school WHY?

    The fate of humanity in the twenty-first century depends on theologians, not physicists. (c) Andrey Kuraev
    Many (if not all) wars and color revolutions today have a clear religious focus. And some of us do not even know that one of the main types of knowledge is religious, the correct use of which gives additional resources to a person, society and the state. For "moral strength is related to physical strength, like 3 to 1" (c) Napoleon. And morality is the ability to feel good and evil. This is what religion teaches. Based on the centuries-old experience of mankind, of course.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 28 March 2021 17: 40
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      Quote: The Time Traveler
      The fate of humanity in the twenty-first century depends on theologians, not physicists. (c) Andrey Kuraev
      I do not know from what context this phrase was taken from Kuraev, but I will say one thing. According to the Constitution of the Russian Federation, our multinational country is a LIGHT state, and faith is a PRIVATE affair of every citizen of Russia. And the religious confessions themselves in Russia are full - from Orthodox, Jews ... to Muslims, etc.

      The church is also not as simple as you think! The church also has its own church oligarchy with its own political religious party, built on a network basis, with its own ideology (theism), its own "Charter", its "Politburo", its "party secretaries and instructors" and "party cells" in the field , with their "VPSh", their media and press, with their "party property".
      An organized religious denomination in the form of a church is a real BUSINESS, built on a religious and mystical ideological worldview! At the same time, the main church business is the GOODS, but as much material (candles, prayer books, icons ...,) as virtual (ideological) goods.
      After all, any idea divorced from its creator, like an earthen pot from a potter, is also sold on the sales market for money like an ordinary GOOD, but not as objective - material, but as a virtual one - for example, the idea of ​​the afterlife, the life of the soul after death human flesh, the existence of God, the "miracles" of the Holy Righteous.
      Religious wars that have been in history are, in essence, business wars of churchmen of different religious denominations for the redistribution of their spheres of influence and for the oligarchic enrichment of churches of different religious denominations.
      Churchmen have always tried to creep into the credibility of state power - under any regimes (!), Since they needed expensive security in the form of security forces - the police and the army. Like, if the sovereign gives us, the churchmen, protection and tax breaks on church property and for our enrichment, then we will give the tsar a religious ideology in order to pacify his people, in which the sovereign is the governor of God on earth! And we will inspire the people: they say, endure the royal will - and for obedience to the king you in the next world will be happily rewarded by God according to your merits in paradise. Otherwise, you will burn in hell! And we priests - mediators on earth between God and the believer - will atone for the sins of the believer before God, so that the believer would find himself in paradise for a certain reward in the form of voluntary donations for our mystical services to believers before God.

      For this mysticism, the priests, as a service supposedly of an intermediary between God and the believer, collect from the parishioners donations without cash (for christenings, funeral services, etc.), material and financial assistance from wealthy benefactors, etc. On these riches, the clergy not only live, but also sin with hedonism - the desire for luxury.

      I am telling you this from the position of an atheist, relying on the dialectical-materialistic method - the most perfect scientific method in modern philosophy.
  7. evgen1221
    evgen1221 28 March 2021 17: 48
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    This is, of course, great and necessary, but then the children come home and from TV and in films they race to drive in what kind of USSR this or that hero gave his life for, was bad and terrible. That in a fragile child's brain is extremely destructive.
  8. nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 28 March 2021 18: 42
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    In our village school, they made a desk for my grandfather who died on Damanskoye and a memorial plaque at the entrance to the school. There is a museum in the school where his personal belongings and photographs are kept. I think this is correct. Let the youth know the Heroes of the country and take an example.
  9. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 28 March 2021 18: 52
    +3
    Plates and corners with the placement of photos and biographies of heroes in schools are needed. As well as excursions.
    My opinion about desks is overkill.
    1. Sarboz
      Sarboz 29 March 2021 14: 30
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      Quote: BISMARCK94
      My opinion about desks is overkill.

      Yes, there is no overkill in the memory of the fallen I served at the PV in Afghanistan. In our dugouts, the bed of a deceased comrade was made up every day, they put a photo, personal belongings. Local comrades over there say that
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      this is of little use and benevolent fetishism

      And I think the queues for the new iPhone are fetishism.
  10. Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin 28 March 2021 19: 20
    +2
    Quote: The Time Traveler
    The fate of humanity in the twenty-first century depends on theologians, not physicists. (c) Andrey Kuraev

    Where did you get this quote from?
  11. Time traveller
    Time traveller 29 March 2021 00: 35
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    Quote: Tatiana
    Quote: The Time Traveler
    The fate of humanity in the twenty-first century depends on theologians, not physicists. (c) Andrey Kuraev
    I don’t know from what context this phrase was taken from Kuraev ...

    This follows from the realities of life. Look, with whom Russia fought in the Caucasus, and with whom it is now officially at war in Syria. The ideology of the opponents in both cases has a religious basis.
    Look at Ukraine. The crowd on the Maidan was subject to constant religious pumping. There, chants and national songs were interspersed with prayers.
    This is the 21th century.
    And there was also the defeat of the USSR in Afghanistan, largely due to a lack of understanding of the atheistic Soviet leadership of the religious ideology of the people inhabiting the theater of operations, and therefore making erroneous political decisions that multiplied the ranks of opponents.
    I have a personal positive experience of using religion, incl. in combat conditions. The mechanism is close to NLP (who knows).
    Ignore religion that has proven to be effective over the centuries, incl. in military affairs, due to squabbles in the Russian Orthodox Church, this is the same as refusing to use electricity on the grounds that Chubais destroyed the EU RAO.
    And the Constitution can be supplemented with amendments. How they do it in America.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 29 March 2021 09: 04
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      Quote: The Time Traveler
      And there was also the defeat of the USSR in Afghanistan, largely due to a lack of understanding of the atheistic Soviet leadership of the religious ideology of the people inhabiting the theater of operations, and therefore making erroneous political decisions that multiplied the ranks of opponents.
      Religion is used to divide society into estates and for war.
      For example, about the war in Afghanistan. How many cases have there been that a Soviet atheist soldier will regret a 6-7-year-old Afghan boy who has just shot at Soviet soldiers from behind cover, will turn his back trustingly to leave, and he will shoot him in the back and kill him !
      And how, in that case, would ORTHODOX instead of atheism help a Russian soldier in the Afghan war?
      Religion, not atheism, is a regression of society, a return to the Middle Ages, to deep antiquity! And in the predatory religious wars with the genocide of the non-religious population and the seizure of the non-religious slaves! To modern science, including nuclear physics, in postindustrial society it really has nothing to do if Kuraev meant it.

      Moreover, Orthodoxy, as one of the directions of Christianity, in its political under-aggressiveness is clearly inferior to other religions, both Islam and racophobic Judaism-Zionism, Protestantism.
      And what religion and, accordingly, to which countries are you going to surrender Russia? When you speak
      Quote: The Time Traveler
      Ignore religion that has proven to be effective over the centuries, incl. in military affairs, due to squabbles in the Russian Orthodox Church, this is the same as refusing to use electricity on the grounds that Chubais destroyed the EU RAO.
      And the Constitution can be supplemented with amendments. How they do it in America.
      In Washington and London, by the way, they sleep and see in Russia a civil war on religious grounds and the further disintegration of Russia into small national pro-American puppet principalities!
      What you are saying is the US Harvard Plan for the destruction of Russia and the Russian-Slavic civilization on a geopolitical scale. And here you are pushing some of your enemy naivety to us!
      Since the Afghan war, a lot of water has already flowed under the bridge - it would be time to comprehend everything in modern history objectively and precisely scientifically without religious delusions.

      US plan for the destruction of the USSR and Russia Houston Project, Harvard Project. 4 Feb 2020 g.
      1. Time traveller
        Time traveller 29 March 2021 10: 36
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        Quote: Tatiana
        Religion is used to divide society into estates and for war.

        So atheism is used for the same thing. Remember the civil war in Russia, when it was the atheists who proclaimed the slogan "Let's transform the imperialist war into a civil war", carried it out, and established the "dictatorship of the proletariat", which made up less than 15% of the population.
        Are you aware that according to the Constitution of 1918, 1 vote of a proletarian was equal to 5 votes of peasants? And the former tsarist officers, officials, priests, etc. in general, they were generally deprived of the right to vote, and their children were prohibited from admitting to universities.
        Quote: Tatiana
        How many cases have there been that a Soviet atheist soldier will regret a 6-7-year-old Afghan boy who has just shot at Soviet soldiers from behind cover, will turn his back trustingly to leave, and he will shoot him in the back and kill him !
        Well, you really are absolutely idiots Soviet soldiers seem to yourself. To be sorry, maybe they were sorry, but there were no fools to turn their backs on the armed "Afghan boys".
        Quote: Tatiana
        And how, in that case, would ORTHODOX instead of atheism help a Russian soldier in the Afghan war?
        Yes, in the same way that helped the Russian soldier during the previous wars - faith helps to survive and win. Moreover, not only the faith of the soldiers, but also their wives and mothers.

        Quote: Tatiana
        In Washington and London, by the way, they sleep and see in Russia a civil war on religious grounds and the further disintegration of Russia into small national pro-American puppet principalities!

        Something I do not see among the current pro-Western opposition of believers. But there are enough militant atheists, especially against Orthodoxy.
        Quote: Tatiana
        Since the Afghan war, a lot of water has already flowed under the bridge - it would be time to comprehend everything in modern history objectively and precisely scientifically without religious delusions ..
        If you knew the history of science, you would understand that scientific delusions are no less than religious ones. Starting from the fact that scientists believed that the Earth is flat and stands on three china, and mice appear from dirty laundry.
        And that's okay, because development is a process of trial and error. And since religion exists more than science, then it has more experience. And science itself, if you remember, came out of the bosom of religion. Isaac Newton, for example, was not only the founding father of modern physics, but also a theologian.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 29 March 2021 12: 10
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          Quote: The Time Traveler
          So atheism is used for the same thing. Remember the civil war in Russia, when it was the atheists who proclaimed the slogan "Let's transform the imperialist war into a civil war", carried it out, and established the "dictatorship of the proletariat", which made up less than 15% of the population.
          And you remember that the ROC opposed the manifesto of Alexander II on the abolition of serfdom in Russia and that the ROC sided with the bourgeoisie for the abolition of the monarchical system in RI for the abdication of Nicholas II from the monarch's power!
          Quote: The Time Traveler
          Are you aware that according to the Constitution of 1918, 1 vote of a proletarian was equal to 5 votes of peasants? And the former tsarist officers, officials, priests, etc. in general, they were generally deprived of the right to vote, and their children were prohibited from admitting to universities.
          I have been talking about the existence of the Russian question since 1917 in the USSR / Russia for a long time and deeper than you think.
          It was essentially a Jewish revolution, not a Russian one, and a geopolitical nationalist coup in Russia, in which Russia from a state of the primordially Russian people turned into a state of national minorities. That we still can't get out of hand even in the Russian Federation.
          TOTAL. The driving forces in the 1917 revolution were Jewish, not Russian! This is determined by the following factors: motivation of stakeholders, society, ethnic group; the creation of a theoretical and ideological concept and adherents for its implementation as a guide to action. Namely:
          1) according to the theoretical calculation of the "proletarian internationalism" of the Russophobe-globalist, supposedly the communist-INTERNATIONALMST K. Marx and his follower Lenin (Plekhanov disagreed with him ideologically);
          2) according to the Zionist motivation of the world's Jews themselves. In the same Europe and the United States, they strove to create their own national state. Perhaps this was only at the expense of other countries, because the Jews did not have a free place among the developed countries for their national state. And the world Zionists were best suited for this by RI, since most of all ethnic Jews lived there - and in such a quantity that they could replace the entire Russian administrative and power apparatus in the country, if at the same time the Bolsheviks share power on the outskirts with the radical Nazis from national minorities, where the proletariat and then there was no industry;
          2) and with the help of the Russian Social Democrats from the Jewish banks from abroad;
          4) and much more.

          And the Russian question in Russia is still taking place, and not only in the countries of the post-Soviet republics, as in Ukraine, the Baltic countries, etc.
          So for example, Sobchak and Narusova are doing what they, the Zionist Jews, did in 1917 with RI. They from the center of the country everywhere, with the help of propaganda of Russophobia among national minorities, removed by force the state forming the Russian people from power in the country. And Lenin also did the same, together with Trotsky - all this happened under his leadership. I cannot imagine what would have happened to the Russian people further if the genocide of the Russian people Lenin had not died and Stalin had not come to power!
          Something I do not see among the current pro-Western opposition of believers. But there are enough militant atheists, especially against Orthodoxy.
          And you say that the pro-Western opposition does not oppose ORTHODOXY! Yes, the pro-Western opposition is generally against the existence of the Russian people! And what kind of faith she refers to herself is another question.

          “There is no one in the world worse than a Russian! Even Tajiks are more freedom-loving people ”. 3 Mar 2019
        2. Tatyana
          Tatyana 29 March 2021 12: 32
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          Quote: The Time Traveler
          If you knew the history of science, you would understand that scientific delusions are no less than religious ones. Starting from the fact that scientists believed that the Earth is flat and stands on three china, and mice appear from dirty laundry.
          And that's okay, because development is a process of trial and error. And since religion exists more than science, then it has more experience. And science itself, if you remember, came out of the bosom of religion. Isaac Newton, for example, was not only the founding father of modern physics, but also a theologian.

          As for the churchmen and the development of science, I will simply answer you with the words of Nevzorov, who knows the church well from the inside. It is difficult to answer your opinion about the church and science better than him. Nevzorov gives a brilliant answer to this! good
          See the video below.

          Nevzorov. Church and Science. Jan 29, 2012
          1. Sarboz
            Sarboz 29 March 2021 14: 41
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            Quote: Tatiana
            As for the churchmen and the development of science, I will simply answer you with the words of Nevzorov, who knows the church well from the inside. It is difficult to answer your opinion about the church and science better than him. Nevzorov gives a brilliant answer to this!

            Found authority. It seems not so old, but already out of his mind senile.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 29 March 2021 15: 57
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              Quote: Sarboz
              Found authority. It seems not so old, but already out of his mind senile.

              Everyone in matters of religion, the Russian Orthodox Church and atheism would be such a "senile" as Nevzorov!
              And if you personally do not understand these specific issues on the subject of controversy, then why do you rush at Nevzorov with dishonest labels? It was in this case that he did not deserve it.
              1. Sarboz
                Sarboz 29 March 2021 16: 01
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                Quote: Tatiana
                And if you personally do not understand these specific issues on the subject of controversy, then why do you rush at Nevzorov indiscriminately with dirty labels?

                And you cannot even know how well I understand these matters. I did not give a reason. Nevzorov has changed a lot over the years and turned into a notorious bastard. Yes, this is my personal opinion. I have the right to do so.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 29 March 2021 16: 14
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                  Quote: Sarboz
                  Nevzorov has changed a lot over the years and turned into a notorious bastard.

                  I agree with you that Nevzorov has not changed for the better and that I also did not like a lot of things about him. However, you still need to separate the grains from the chaff in the statements of people and not indiscriminately smear everything in them with absolutely black paint!
                  Everything that concerns Nevzorov's criticism of faith, religion and the Russian Orthodox Church is of a certain social, scientific and sociological value. However, not everyone can understand and appreciate this.
                  1. Sarboz
                    Sarboz 29 March 2021 16: 18
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                    Quote: Tatiana
                    I agree with you that Nevzorov has not changed for the better and that I also did not like a lot of things about him.

                    So let's end our discussion with this. The fight against religion for Nevzorov turned into an obsession. It is high time to treat a person. And his inventions of course have nothing to do with science. Pure ideology. And this ideology is hostile to Russia.
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 29 March 2021 16: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: Sarboz
                      The fight against religion for Nevzorov turned into an obsession. It is high time to treat a person.

                      I do not see any obsession with Nevzorov in the issue of his struggle with religion, except for his completely objective - scientifically sound - his evidence-based conviction that religion with its pseudoscientific dogmas brought, brings and will bring more harm to society than good.
    2. Sarboz
      Sarboz 29 March 2021 14: 37
      -1
      Quote: The Time Traveler
      And there was also the defeat of the USSR in Afghanistan, largely due to a lack of understanding of the atheistic Soviet leadership of the religious ideology of the people inhabiting the theater of operations, and therefore making erroneous political decisions that multiplied the ranks of opponents.

      There was no defeat of the USSR in Afghanistan. Combat missions were carried out in a planned and competent manner. Political tasks passed as an annoying burden. But in the end, Afghan was not lost. It was surrendered as a result of the treacherous course of M.S. Gorbachev, Shevardnadze and his comrades.
      And about religion, I would rather agree with you than with the local militant atheists. Who has not been to the war may not understand.
  12. Time traveller
    Time traveller 29 March 2021 00: 41
    -1
    Quote: Engineer Schukin
    Quote: The Time Traveler
    The fate of humanity in the twenty-first century depends on theologians, not physicists. (c) Andrey Kuraev

    Where did you get this quote from?

    "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" dated 16.05.2013
  13. Time traveller
    Time traveller 29 March 2021 00: 58
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    Quote: Tatiana

    I am telling you this from the position of an atheist, relying on the dialectical-materialistic method - the most perfect scientific method in modern philosophy.

    The trouble is with you, uneducated atheists. You see, the scientific way of knowing the world is just one of several. And he, like all other methods, is applicable only within certain limits. (This is not my idea, this is the position of modern science).
    Faith is a feeling of good and evil, given to us in sensations. Able to make an individual, society, state stronger or weaker, up to complete destruction. Religion is a technique for properly attuning this feeling.
    I am telling you this from the position of a materialist, for whom experience is the criterion of truth. And experience shows that religion has existed throughout the entire existence of mankind. As well as the fact that societies and states, proclaiming atheism as their basis, are falling apart and leaving the historical arena. Because "Atheism is like thin ice - one person, perhaps, will pass over it, but a whole nation will surely fail." (c) Francis Bacon. What we experienced in the USSR and today we see on the example of the modern West.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 29 March 2021 09: 50
      +1
      Quote: The Time Traveler
      Faith is a feeling of good and evil, given to us in sensations. Able to make an individual, society, state stronger or weaker, up to complete destruction. Religion is a technique for properly attuning this feeling.
      There are many religions. And who, in your opinion, defines this "correctness" of good and evil in religion? After all, someone created religious concepts - so man or God, in your opinion?
      If you say that God, then what kind of materialist are you? You don't smell like a materialist!
      You are an ordinary idealist-metaphysician and manipulator of public consciousness - and no one else.
      And even if we assume that you are just a scholastic, then the question for you will still remain: in whose favor are you manipulating your LDL here? After all, scholasticism will not help Russia in any way, but will only aggravate the internal political crisis in the country!

      REFERENCE
      By its general nature scholasticism represents religious philosophy not in the sense of free speculation in the field of questions of a religious and moral nature, as can be seen in the systems of the last period of Greek philosophy, but in the sense of applying philosophical concepts and methods of thinking to the Christian church doctrine ...
      Scholasticism A systematic European medieval philosophy centered around universities and representing a synthesis of Christian theology and Aristotle's logic. Scholasticism is characterized by the combination of theological and dogmatic premises with rationalistic methods and an interest in formal logical problems.
      1. Time traveller
        Time traveller 29 March 2021 11: 09
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        Quote: Tatiana
        Quote: The Time Traveler
        Faith is a feeling of good and evil, given to us in sensations. Able to make an individual, society, state stronger or weaker, up to complete destruction. Religion is a technique for properly attuning this feeling.
        There are many religions. And who, in your opinion, defines this "correctness" of good and evil in religion? After all, someone created religious concepts - so man or God, in your opinion?
        If you say that God, then what kind of materialist are you? You don't smell like a materialist!
        You are an ordinary idealist-metaphysician and manipulator of public consciousness - and no one else.
        And even if we assume that you are just a scholastic, then the question for you will still remain: in whose favor are you manipulating your LDL here? After all, scholasticism will not help Russia in any way, but will only aggravate the internal political crisis in the country!

        REFERENCE
        By its general nature scholasticism represents religious philosophy not in the sense of free speculation in the field of questions of a religious and moral nature, as can be seen in the systems of the last period of Greek philosophy, but in the sense of applying philosophical concepts and methods of thinking to the Christian church doctrine ...
        Scholasticism A systematic European medieval philosophy centered around universities and representing a synthesis of Christian theology and Aristotle's logic. Scholasticism is characterized by the combination of theological and dogmatic premises with rationalistic methods and an interest in formal logical problems.

        I am a materialist because, as I said, for me experience is the criterion of truth.
        I, at that moment of an atheist, had a moment in my life when I began to pray. And it helped me then, and it still helps. Therefore, by and large, it doesn't matter to me who, when and what religious concepts created. It is important that religious practices really work and help people, which I have observed on the example of others and experienced on myself.
        So which of us is then an idealist-metaphysician - me, whose knowledge is based on personal experience and knowledge of history, or you, trying to unfoundedly deny this my (and not only mine) personal experience and distort historical facts, claiming that religion led humanity to regression.
        ZY
        NLP, by the way, is not mine, but a fully working method, recognized by modern science. And I just use it in 30 seconds. quit smoking. Well, I also solved some of my other personal problems. In this connection, I recall the proverb "there are no bad instruments, there are bad navigators."
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 29 March 2021 13: 14
          +1
          I am glad for you that by your self-hypnosis you changed your program of behavior and it really helped you in life!
          However, in the search for objective scientific truth, your personal experience of psychic self-subjection is nothing in the scientific sense to achieve objective truth nothing in theism itself - its religious doctrines and methods of cognition - i.e. in the church-formalized religion, absolutely nothing proves. Alas!
          Everything that you refer to in your experience depends only on the education of the person, as well as on the state of his health and psyche, capable of withstanding stressful situations in life.
          Can you prove the afterlife by practice as a criterion of truth? No you can not. And no one can, because no one has ever returned from the other world!
          А the criterion of truth in true science, and not in mystical myths about her, presupposes a REPEAT of a scientific experiment proving the results obtained that it was really just that, and not otherwise.
          So everything else is pure SUBJECTIVISM and RELATIVISM!
      2. Sarboz
        Sarboz 29 March 2021 14: 47
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        Quote: Tatiana
        And even if we assume that you are just a scholastic, the question for you will still remain: in whose favor are you manipulating your LDL here?

        Well, dear comrades! The theme concerns the memory of the fallen heroes-border guards. Why is this multi-page flood of near-philosophical matters?
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 29 March 2021 20: 56
          +1
          Quote: Sarboz
          Well, dear comrades! The theme concerns the memory of the fallen heroes-border guards. Why is this multi-page flood of near-philosophical matters?
          How did you decide that this is a "flood" ?!
          The issue is considered extremely fundamental! And it began with my fundamentally important question on instilling patriotism in schoolchildren in the school's extracurricular work system in my initial commentary on the article. Namely.
          Quote: Tatiana
          I completely agree with the patriotic educational work at school!
          Only a priest in a public secondary school WHY?
  14. nikvic46
    nikvic46 29 March 2021 07: 44
    +2
    Nobody argues, remembering heroes is a sacred cause. The same thing happened in the USSR. Another thing is how these guys behave outside the walls of the school. Patriotism does not like falsehood. And if all these events are just for show, then it is not worth a long conversation. I do not understand why they sit in hats in class. We at the outpost did not sit at political classes in caps. Sometimes they associate nationalism with patriotism. Those countries that were infected with the brown plague quickly parted with these attributes. For them it became the main thing, the homeland is where you live. And the Fatherland is on your side.
  15. Runway
    Runway 29 March 2021 07: 49
    +2
    "Stick" event. Lack of ideology at the state level and planned "patriotic" events in educational institutions (where educational work is "on the side"), as opposed to the realities of being families and filth from the media.
    This is empty.
  16. Rajah
    Rajah 29 March 2021 09: 59
    +2
    Earth they rest in peace!
  17. Time traveller
    Time traveller 29 March 2021 13: 12
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    Quote: Tatiana

    As for the churchmen and the development of science, I will simply answer you with the words of Nevzorov, who knows the church well from the inside. It is difficult to answer your opinion about the church and science better than him. Nevzorov gives a brilliant answer to this! good
    See the video below.

    Nevzorov. Church and Science. Jan 29, 2012

    Nevzorov sets out a set of tendentiously selected facts that contradict one of the basic principles of scientific thinking - the principle of objectivity.
    I, after all, can also pull on historical facts, when atheism acted as a brake on progress and an opponent of scientific knowledge of the world. Here, for example, - "" Matter disappears, only equations remain "- this Leninist characteristic of the scholarly clergy in modern physics provides a key to understanding the wicked addiction to the mathematization of any science." (c) E.Ya. Kolman. "On sabotage in science", the journal "Bolshevik", No. 3, 1931.
    "Having defined as heresy everything that might seem inconsistent with Marxist dogmas and party directives, Kohlman began to press charges against such authoritative scientists as V. I. Vernadsky, S. I. Vavilov, L. D. Landau, I. Ye. Tamm, Ya. I. Frenkel ... Academician NN Luzin Kolman was accused of belonging to the "pack of the inglorious tsarist" Moscow Mathematical School ", whose philosophy was the Black Hundreds and the driving idea - the whales of Russian reaction: Orthodoxy and autocracy "... (c) Stalin's inquisitor
    ______________
    All this does not negate the fact that the church and atheism, like two boots of a pair, or, scientifically, in dialectical unity, moved humanity forward. Not without mistakes and dumping into regression.
    Trying to get rid of church and religion, atheists, figuratively speaking, amputate one leg of progress.
    1. Sarboz
      Sarboz 29 March 2021 16: 08
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      Quote: The Time Traveler
      Nevzorov sets out a set of tendentiously selected facts that contradict one of the basic principles of scientific thinking - the principle of objectivity.

      Absolutely. But with what pathos he expounds, with what expression! He's a journalist, he doesn't need systemic thinking.
    2. Tatyana
      Tatyana 30 March 2021 12: 16
      -1
      Quote: The Time Traveler
      "" Matter disappears, only equations remain "- this Leninist characteristic of the scholarly clergy in modern physics provides the key to understanding the wicked addiction to the mathematization of any science." (c) E.Ya. Kolman. "On sabotage in science", the journal "Bolshevik", No. 3, 1931.
      Have you yourself read Lenin's work "Materialism and Empirio-criticism" in full - in its entirety - have you ever read? And under the guidance of specialists in the application of the dialectical-materialist method, did you study this work? Got the essence of the then wave of empirio-criticism in the country and in the world? I think not, because it seems that you yourself personally - at best - got acquainted with this work of Lenin only from a philosophical reference book.
      And the phrase sounded like this:
      This is the first reason for "physical" idealism. Reactionary inclinations are engendered by the very progress of science. The great success of natural science, the approach to such homogeneous and simple elements of matter, the laws of motion of which allow mathematical processing, gives rise to the oblivion of matter by mathematicians. "Matter disappears", only equations remain. At a new stage of development and, allegedly, in a new way it turns out an old Kantian idea: the mind dictates laws to nature. Hermann Cohen, delighted, as we have seen the idealistic spirit of the new physics, comes to the point that preaches the introduction of higher mathematics into schools - for the sake of introducing the spirit of idealism into gymnasium students, displaced by our materialistic era (Geschichte des Materialismus von A. Lange, 5. Auflage, 1896, Bd. II, S. XLIX << * 207 >>).
      Where did you see Lenin's disregard for mathematics as such, or under someone's prompting? On the contrary, we are talking precisely about the politicization of scientific knowledge with the introduction of new knowledge for the benefit of clergy and the exploitative system!
      Quote: The Time Traveler
      "Having defined as heresy everything that might seem inconsistent with Marxist dogmas and party directives, Kohlman began to press charges against such authoritative scientists as V. I. Vernadsky, S. I. Vavilov, L. D. Landau, I. Ye. Tamm, Ya. I. Frenkel ... Academician NN Luzin Kolman was accused of belonging to the "pack of the inglorious tsarist" Moscow Mathematical School ", whose philosophy was the Black Hundreds and the driving idea - the whales of Russian reaction: Orthodoxy and autocracy "... (c) Stalin's inquisitor
      And what kind of anti-Soviet, when and where did he write about the Soviet regime? Where does the quote come from and who does it belong to?
      Quote: The Time Traveler
      All this does not negate the fact that the church and atheism, like two boots of a pair, or, scientifically, in dialectical unity, moved humanity forward. Not without mistakes and dumping into regression.
      Trying to get rid of church and religion, atheists, figuratively speaking, amputate one leg of progress.
      And you thus consider it necessary to dump society into another historical regression, giving relief to clergy?
      This is not dialectics, but outdated metaphysics in its purest form!
      In the metaphysical method, the cause of development is sought only in external forces and manifestations that lie on the surface, and not in internal changes in the phenomena themselves. In metaphysics, the metaphysical identity of the immutability of a phenomenon ("a") in time, ie. at all times "a = a".
      For example, according to metaphysics, the organism of one and the same person does not undergo internal changes since the time. This hindered the development of medicine.
      And in the dialectical-materialist method, the reasons for the change in what is happening are also sought and, first of all, within the phenomenon itself ("A"), which precisely changes in time and is not equal to itself in different periods of time of its existence. Those. "and not equal to a"!
      That is why you are writing anti-scientific nonsense in favor of church reaction and political regression in the country!
  18. Time traveller
    Time traveller 29 March 2021 13: 20
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    Quote: Tatiana
    And you remember that the ROC opposed the manifesto of Alexander II on the abolition of serfdom in Russia and that the ROC sided with the bourgeoisie for the abolition of the monarchical system in RI for the abdication of Nicholas II from the monarch's power!

    And this does not change my words that atheism is also used to foment wars. This is the first thing. And, secondly, the ROC never thought that it had not made mistakes.
    And, thirdly, you are confusing the ROC and religion. Well, it's as if I declare that the CPSU is Marxism-Leninism, or Nevzorov is atheism. :)
  19. Time traveller
    Time traveller 29 March 2021 13: 26
    -2
    Quote: Tatiana
    Quote: The Time Traveler
    Are you aware that according to the Constitution of 1918, 1 vote of a proletarian was equal to 5 votes of peasants? And the former tsarist officers, officials, priests, etc. in general, they were generally deprived of the right to vote, and their children were prohibited from admitting to universities.
    I have been talking about the existence of the Russian question since 1917 in the USSR / Russia for a long time and deeper than you think.
    It was essentially a Jewish revolution, not a Russian one, and a geopolitical nationalist coup in Russia, in which Russia from a state of the primordially Russian people turned into a state of national minorities. That we still can't get out of hand even in the Russian Federation.
    TOTAL. The driving forces in the 1917 revolution were Jewish, not Russian!

    In response to your statement that religion stands for inequality, I gave examples that show that atheism too.
    Why you dragged the "Russian question" to this is completely incomprehensible to me.
  20. Time traveller
    Time traveller 29 March 2021 13: 30
    -2
    Quote: Tatiana
    Something I do not see among the current pro-Western opposition of believers. But there are enough militant atheists, especially against Orthodoxy.
    And you say that the pro-Western opposition does not oppose ORTHODOXY! Yes, the pro-Western opposition is generally against the existence of the Russian people! And what kind of faith she refers to herself is another question.

    “There is no one in the world worse than a Russian! Even Tajiks are more freedom-loving people ”. 3 Mar 2019

    And you yourself are for Orthodoxy, like me, or against, like the pro-Western opposition?
  21. Time traveller
    Time traveller 31 March 2021 14: 10
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    Quote: Tatiana
    Quote: The Time Traveler
    "" Matter disappears, only equations remain "- this Leninist characteristic of the scholarly clergy in modern physics provides the key to understanding the wicked addiction to the mathematization of any science." (c) E.Ya. Kolman. "On sabotage in science", the journal "Bolshevik", No. 3, 1931.
    Have you yourself read Lenin's work "Materialism and Empirio-criticism" in full - in its entirety - have you ever read? ... I think not, because it seems that you yourself personally - at best - got acquainted with this work of Lenin only from a philosophical reference book.

    Your systemic error is that you are trying to pass off your conjectures as truth. I have read and studied this work three times - at two universities and at the University of Marxism-Leninism.
    But the point is not even this, but the fact that, while proving that atheism can also be used for regression, I told you about the real practice of atheists who seized power in Russia, who, relying on theoretical Leninist propositions, waged a real struggle against "harmful mathematization ", destroying entire scientific, incl. mathematical schools, and repressing scientists whose scientific work was at odds with their ideological dogmas and political goals.
  22. Time traveller
    Time traveller 31 March 2021 14: 29
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    Quote: Tatiana
    Quote: The Time Traveler
    "Having defined as heresy everything that might seem inconsistent with Marxist dogmas and party directives, Kohlman began to press charges against such authoritative scientists as V. I. Vernadsky, S. I. Vavilov, L. D. Landau, I. Ye. Tamm, Ya. I. Frenkel ... Academician NN Luzin Kolman was accused of belonging to the "pack of the inglorious tsarist" Moscow Mathematical School ", whose philosophy was the Black Hundreds and the driving idea - the whales of Russian reaction: Orthodoxy and autocracy "... (c) Stalin's inquisitor
    And what kind of anti-Soviet, when and where did he write about the Soviet regime? Where does the quote come from and who does it belong to?

    Yes, I wrote, using as primary sources:
    1. About enemies in a Soviet mask // Pravda, 1936. July 3;
    2. "Case" of Academician NN Luzin. Moscow: 1999.
    ZY Kohlman subsequently fled the USSR abroad, where he published his memoirs, which I also used when preparing my publication.
  23. Time traveller
    Time traveller 31 March 2021 14: 37
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    [quote = Tatyana]Trying to get rid of church and religion, atheists, figuratively speaking, amputate one leg of progress.[/ quote] And thereby you consider it necessary to dump society into another historical regression, giving relief to the clergy?
    This is not dialectics, but outdated metaphysics in its purest form! [/ Quote] Metaphysics is with you, because you deny one of the main laws of dialectics, according to which development is carried out in a spiral. Therefore, the fact that in the 21st century religion with its moral narratives again came to the fore in matters of progress, pushing science to the second, or even to the third place, by those who know about the existence of this law, is taken for granted.
  24. Time traveller
    Time traveller 31 March 2021 14: 58
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    Quote: Tatiana
    In the metaphysical method, the cause of development is sought only in external forces and manifestations that lie on the surface, and not in internal changes in the phenomena themselves.

    Only pagans and vulgar atheists consider God to be the "external power" of God. The Christian Bible states that "God is love." Love is a feeling. Feeling is given into sensation and cannot exist outside of a person, society, or the universe.
    It is from this that one should proceed in a strictly scientific, materialistic understanding of such a civilizational phenomenon as religion.