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In Ukraine, difficulties arose when trying to replace army UAZs with new SUVs for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

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In Ukraine, difficulties arose when trying to replace army UAZs with new SUVs for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

Some details have become known about the plans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to abandon the use of UAZ off-road vehicles and replace them with "comfortable modern army vehicles with increased security." Voennoye Obozreniye previously reported about such plans of the Ukrainian military command in news reports, including that among the applicants for the tender there are very interesting companies - for example, a company with an authorized capital of 1 hryvnia, which has never been involved in the production of automotive equipment.


Now it becomes known that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine requires potential contractors (and there are five applicants for fulfilling the order at the moment) to carry out development work and provide a report on them by the middle of this summer. In this case, the condition is as follows - R&D should be carried out at the expense of the companies themselves.

In this regard, difficulties arose when trying to replace UAZs with other vehicles for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

As noted by the Ukrainian press, the military department has not yet provided any specific terms of reference. Only general phrases are uttered that SUVs designed to replace Soviet-made UAZs should be more protected and more comfortable. It also adds that the new SUVs should have "more powerful and yet more fuel efficient engines." About what should be the power of the engines, what should be the level of protection of the car, it is not reported.

From the comments of representatives of companies that expect to sign a contract with the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine:

It is difficult to say how it is possible to carry out development work without having in hand either a specific technical specification or financial parameters for the implementation of the project. There are big risks of spending serious money and not getting anything.

At the same time, the Ministry of Defense notes that if a company has experience in creating automotive equipment, then it "cannot be a surprise for it to carry out R&D at its own expense, followed by defending its project within the framework of a competition."

In the meantime, it became known that the general contract may ultimately involve the order of at least 5 thousand army off-road vehicles for the Armed Forces of Ukraine. But the difficulty is also in the fact that in today's Ukraine there may simply not be an enterprise that will be able to implement such an order even in the medium term.
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  2. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 March 2021 09: 58
    +5
    Is Sho so? Such was the plan. About the "ravines" apparently forgotten as always.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 25 March 2021 10: 06
      +17
      In Ukraine, difficulties arose when trying to replace army UAZs with new SUVs for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

      If not for these oaths and the Syrian army, then it would be possible to borrow jeeps from brothers in arms from ISIS, but ...

      Shaw now robiti request ?







      1. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 25 March 2021 20: 15
        +5
        Quote: Insurgent
        In Ukraine, difficulties arose when trying to replace army UAZs with new SUVs for the Armed Forces of Ukraine

        If not for these vows
        tachanka
        "economical engine", "modular weapons" ...
        1. Oleg Aviator
          Oleg Aviator 25 March 2021 20: 34
          0
          Hummers need to be put somewhere. So they won't be allowed to release theirs.
          1. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 26 March 2021 19: 58
            0
            Hummers need to be put somewhere. So they won't be allowed to release theirs.


            Ukraine will not release anything of its own. There is no automotive industry in Ukraine, there are no engines and other units of its own.

            The maximum they can do is buy some kind of jeep in the West / China and stuff it into a welded armored hull. As they did before, their masters "Cossacks" and other crafts.

            But there is one significant drawback, such a jeep will cost as much as a dozen UAZs. You can't do much. Although they do not need much much.

            The best thing for them is just to immediately buy a ready-made jeep abroad.

            Well, or negotiate with the United States about used Hamers by making repair bases for them. But even here there is a problem, Hamers are no longer produced and there may be problems with spare parts.

            In short, not an easy task.
    2. knn54
      knn54 25 March 2021 10: 31
      +2
      They will design, make a prototype ... and buy it abroad - for a loan, of course.
      "Tradition", however.
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 25 March 2021 11: 14
        +2
        ... there are very interesting companies among the applicants for the tender ...
        ... Now it becomes known that the Ministry of Defense - ROC should be carried out at the expense of the companies themselves ...
        ... the military department still has not provided any specific terms of reference ...

        The usual corruption scheme is "go there, I don't know where, bring that, I don't know what." As a result, it allows to recognize a pre-planned participant as the winner, even with the "richest" price, to drain him information from competitors and, as a result, cut the loot. yes
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 25 March 2021 12: 28
          +2
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          The usual corruption scheme is "go there, I don't know where, bring that, I don't know what." As a result, it allows to recognize a pre-planned participant as the winner, even with the "richest" price, to drain him information from competitors and, as a result, cut the loot.

          Everything is much simpler. Any old UAZ is transformed into a more powerful new one, by repainting it in a yellow-blocky color. Loot will go to paint.
  3. bar
    bar 25 March 2021 09: 58
    +5
    Klovuns from circus 404 laughing
    1. A1845
      A1845 25 March 2021 10: 28
      +1
      why? suppose, in the end, used Fordies will be added at the price of new hummers
      someone will be thrown a bone for it
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 25 March 2021 10: 56
        -3
        Quote: A1845
        why? suppose, in the end, used Fordies will be added at the price of new hummers

        You can negotiate with the empiricalists on the licensed assembly of off-road vehicles, for example, at the KrAZ ... or get second-hand from the USA and Great Britain, they have a lot of military equipment left in Afghanistan, which they will not export ...
        1. A1845
          A1845 25 March 2021 11: 03
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          You can negotiate with the empiricalists on the licensed assembly of off-road vehicles, for example, at KrAZ

          then at ZAZ, "eared constipation" of all enemies will be thrown into awe winked
          "Americanists" are not eager to save the industrial outskirts, this does not fit into the general concept
          1. phair
            phair 25 March 2021 12: 09
            0
            I read for 2 or 3 years for the last constipation released ... Their hands are golden, but they do not grow out of their shoulders, but politicians, as if the obstetrician was lazy and they were beating their heads on the floor;) although Lyashka has a breech presentation ...
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 25 March 2021 12: 15
            -6
            Quote: A1845
            then at ZAZ, "eared constipation" of all enemies will be thrown into awe winked

            so they did all the armored cars like KrAZ did ... let the whole line be ...
            "Americanists" are not eager to save the industrial outskirts

            so they will start working on car sets, and then you see, Ukraine will then supply these "zips" to Georgians, Moldovans, and so on.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 25 March 2021 13: 12
              +3
              Quote: Lara Croft
              so they did all the armored cars at KrAZ ...let the whole line be.


              Let it go NOT will be !
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 25 March 2021 14: 28
                -6
                Quote: Insurgent
                Quote: Lara Croft
                so they did all the armored cars at KrAZ ...let the whole line be.

                Let it go NOT will be !

                Why?
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 26 March 2021 07: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Why?

                  To a person who does not understand why Nazi regime Outskirts it is not desirable to have both weapons and the capacity for their production - it is pointless to explain something.
                  1. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 26 March 2021 11: 52
                    -1
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    To a person who does not understand why Nazi regime Outskirts it is not desirable to have both weapons and the capacity for their production - it is pointless to explain something.

                    Well, of course, you can bawl with hurray-patriotic slogans ...
                    If the whole line of armored cars is developed in Ukraine, then Ukraine may not have enough funds for other projects ...
                    If, for example, the empiricalists provide a freebie for the Armed Forces of Ukraine used automobile and lightly armored vehicles, then Ukraine will free up financial resources for more serious projects, for example, for the production of shock UAVs ...
                    Accordingly, it is beneficial for me that Ukraine spent on the production of non-lethal weapons, thereby reducing the chances of it financing other projects ...
  4. Doccor18
    Doccor18 25 March 2021 09: 59
    +2
    As a result, the general contract may involve an order of at least 5 thousand army off-road vehicles for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    As always, needs are incommensurable with opportunities.
  5. sergo1914
    sergo1914 25 March 2021 10: 01
    +12
    Divide the money. Replace green UAZs with yellow-blue ones. Celebrate another victory with a banquet.
    PS Don't thank. Could have come up with the scheme themselves.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 25 March 2021 10: 02
    +2
    In Ukraine, difficulties arose when trying to replace army UAZs with new SUVs for the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    Go there, no one knows where!
    Find what you don't know what!
    It's okay to add, not naked, but not dressed either! Not true, but not on foot either ...
  7. vvvjak
    vvvjak 25 March 2021 10: 04
    +3
    Well, who would have doubted, the tender was held, no one was found - we buy everything used "Humvee".
  8. Alexilyin
    Alexilyin 25 March 2021 10: 08
    -1
    Continuation of the series, go there, I do not know where. Bring that, I don't know what. It is difficult for people to work in such conditions.
  9. Avior
    Avior 25 March 2021 10: 09
    +4
    In general, they wrote on VO that the bidders for the supply of SUVs should submit a prototype, and not just a report on R&D.
    Participants in the competition will have to provide prototypes for comprehensive tests, based on the results of which the winner will be determined. The winning company or other organization will receive a contract for the supply of an SUV to the Ukrainian Armed Forces.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.topwar.ru/179479-na-zamenu-uazam-minoborony-ukrainy-objavit-tender-na-novyj-edinyj-vnedorozhnik-dlja-vsu.html
    So, it turns out that the conditions of the tender have become easier for the participants?
    It was very useful on VO to start a tradition of referring to information sources, otherwise it is difficult to understand what is at stake.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 25 March 2021 10: 16
      +9
      It was very useful on VO to start a tradition of links to information sources
      This will cause the entire news feed system of the site to collapse. Therefore, such links in the comments in most cases are immediately removed.
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 25 March 2021 10: 54
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      In general, they wrote on VO that the bidders for the supply of SUVs should submit a prototype, and not just a report on R&D.

      If the technical task of the mind is not enough to draw up, then a prototype of what?
  10. Ascold1901
    Ascold1901 25 March 2021 10: 12
    +6
    Dodecommunized ...
    Forgot the wonderful film "Prisoner of the Caucasus".
    There was a good toast about the House and the Goat with the conclusion - "So that our Desires coincide with our Opportunities" ©))))
  11. venik
    venik 25 March 2021 10: 17
    +1
    "....on the plans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to abandon the use of UAZ off-road vehicles and replace them with “comfortable modern army vehicles with increased security.... "
    ========
    Dreams Dreams!
    Where is your sweetness?
    Dreams are gone, left .....
    And what remains is what is left: "...the condition is that R&D should be carried out at the expense of the companies themselves.....", wherein: "....It is difficult to say how it is possible to carry out development work without having on hand either a specific technical specification or financial parameters for the implementation of the project..... ". And finally:" ...the difficulty is also that in today's Ukraine there may simply not be an enterprise that will be able to implement such an order even in the medium term..."
    request lol bully
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 25 March 2021 10: 32
    0
    As a result, funds will be allocated for repainting old UAZs, in more patriotic colors .......................
  13. Dimy4
    Dimy4 25 March 2021 10: 33
    +1
    Applicants should pay attention to what situation China and Motor Sich now find themselves in - they simply threw it away. And then they will prepare the project, they will show you an experienced copy, and then once again, and our money turns out to be dumb, or the overseas owner will not allow, deciding to shove his scrap metal that has served all the time in the square.
    1. Magog_
      Magog_ 25 March 2021 10: 49
      +1
      shove your scrap metal that has served all the dates in the square
      It will be so! The whole "problem" for the sake of this and "sucked out of the finger."
  14. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 25 March 2021 11: 12
    -2
    Only Russia can supply such a volume!
  15. Cananecat
    Cananecat 25 March 2021 11: 21
    +2
    In fact, there are enterprises in / on that can create their own SUV. The problem is really with TK. If you follow the path of the UAZ, then it is not difficult to create such a car, problems will begin to arise with regard to security.
    The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, either creates the appearance of work in this direction and they already have a ready-made version with imports, or they want to eat the fish and not wash the pan, in the form of an SUV.
  16. Eug
    Eug 25 March 2021 11: 41
    +1
    Those. they want to get it, without knowing what - what if something comes up that everyone will say "ah" ... I think the tender will be won by "Bogdan" of the former president with Haval 9.
  17. Jager
    Jager 25 March 2021 12: 04
    -2
    And where are the Chinese Hawalas in our army and other Volkswagens from?
  18. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 25 March 2021 13: 20
    +2
    There are no difficulties, there is an ardent desire to once again "weld" on the budget deriban.
  19. grindz
    grindz 25 March 2021 14: 36
    +1
    I thought that everything was ready there, all that remained was to replace the cars. But it turned out that everything is as usual.
  20. Evil 55
    Evil 55 25 March 2021 15: 10
    +1
    in the eternal attempt to cheat someone and fuck the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they forgot about the main documents and requirements for R&D ... Or they just never knew about it ..
  21. prior
    prior 25 March 2021 17: 04
    +2
    Dovichne (historical) means of transportation in Ukraine are oxen.
    Hey, lads to the cart! UAZs are too much for you ... laughing
    1. Growlers
      Growlers 25 March 2021 17: 49
      +2
      They can be purchased from Romania. And then the damned Muscovites in the Soviet period replaced all the oxen and carts with tractors!
  22. Growlers
    Growlers 25 March 2021 17: 48
    +1
    Professionals so their ... and so!
  23. Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 25 March 2021 20: 17
    0
    "It is difficult to say how it is possible to carry out development work without having either a specific technical specification or financial parameters for the implementation of the project. There are big risks of seriously spending money and not getting anything."
    Guess! Take the initiative! How did you want? ..
    How UAZ / decommissioned Hummers drove. So you will ride.
    What the hell are OCD? Who / where will deal with them on such conditions? Wonders...
    However, everything is as usual. Nothing new is happening in this country. After a bunch of Maidans and revolutions. request
  24. the same doctor
    the same doctor 26 March 2021 10: 03
    0
    They don't care who they buy from. Would buy Chinese crossovers and they would be happy.
  25. duschman80-81
    duschman80-81 26 March 2021 10: 29
    0
    And so it will do ...
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  27. Solomon Murin
    Solomon Murin 27 March 2021 10: 10
    0
    I remember there was such an off-road car "Volyn", they will remember and start production. Although just oxen are still better!
  28. Piter
    Piter April 15 2021 12: 19
    0
    Well, as usual - they just wanted to take money from the country's budget, formed by handouts of Westerners and Americans, into their pockets ... the current Ukrainian tradition ...