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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation denied the information about the evacuation of personnel from a military base in Syrian Tartus

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Russia for some time will not use the naval base in the Syrian city of Tartus. However, she is not going to finally abandon the use of this military base in the future. In addition, the Russian authorities have determined the basic principles on which to base relations with Syria in the military sphere: the Russian Federation will continue to support the regime of President Bashar Al-Assad both at the humanitarian and informational levels and in the political sphere. Moscow’s plans do not contain any major supplies of Damascus weapons, as reported by sources in the diplomatic department who participated in negotiations with the Syrian authorities that took place this week in Moscow.


This largely explains the unexpected collapse of the naval group assembled in the Mediterranean, which included the Northern, Baltic and Black Sea fleets, as well as a change in the plans of the General Staff associated with the call of the ships of the Northern fleet into the waters of the Black Sea.

A source in the Russian defense ministry noted that the ship grouping of the Russian Federation looks like a dwarf compared to the maritime groups of NATO countries that have concentrated in the Mediterranean. The source also said that by military means, our naval base in the Syrian Tartus cannot be maintained. Russia cannot by military means prevent countries supporting the Syrian opposition.

At the same time, this source refuted the emerging media reports about the evacuation of the personnel of the base in Tartus due to the exacerbation of the situation in the western part of Syria. Representatives of the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet confirmed the same thing, stating that the situation in Tartus remained calm. The work of the personnel of the PMTO (point of logistics) is carried out in the usual mode.

Sources in the Ministry of Defense claim that Russia is supporting Damascus with both military-diplomatic methods and intelligence. If the situation in Syria deteriorates sharply, Russia, using a military transport Aviation, will evacuate all personnel from the PMTO.

The naval point in Tartus is the only point where Russian warships are based in the Mediterranean, and the only military base of Russia in foreign countries. The appearance of a basing point in Syrian Tartus dates back to 1971. It was here that the repair of the ships of the 5 of the Mediterranean squadron was carried out. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the squadron ceased to exist, but the base remained in Syria. For the Russian Federation, it is the most important object of military-strategic importance, since it ensures the deployment of groups of the Russian Navy in the southern parts of the world's oceans. Using a base in Tartus, the ships of the Russian Navy for twenty years replenished stocks of fuel and food during trips to the Mediterranean.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation declared its intention to maintain this base in the Mediterranean Sea. In particular, one of the sources in the Russian military explained that the loss of Syrian Tartus would lead, first of all, to reducing the possibilities of permanently locating Russian warships in the Mediterranean, Central and South Atlantic, Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf areas.

However, if the current Syrian regime of President Assad collapses, then the Russian Federation will not be able to remain in Syrian Tartus, since the Syrian opposition will not forgive Russia for its support for Assad.

The official website of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation reported that the 23 August patrol ships of the Baltic Fleet Yaroslav the Wise and Fearless, as well as the tanker Black Sea Fleet Ivan Bubnov, began to perform tasks related to the advanced presence in the Mediterranean.

According to the plan, ships will take part in tactical exercises and training related to responding to modern threats at sea, such as illegal shipments. weapons, suppression of drug trafficking, as well as countering terrorism.
Earlier, Russian ships successfully carried out their tasks in the waters of the Mediterranean, as well as in the North Atlantic.

Now the second tactical group, consisting of large landing ships of the Northern Fleet "Kondopoga", "George the Victorious", "Alexander Otrakovsky", performs tasks in the North Atlantic area.
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  1. Sreben
    Sreben 25 August 2012 09: 31
    +3
    The base in Tartus must be preserved anyway! And maybe you should at the same time create the Mediterranean Squadron again! With a competent approach, it is possible and not a large amount to restrain NATO forces!
    1. ughhh
      ughhh 25 August 2012 10: 26
      -3
      what nonsense?
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 25 August 2012 12: 19
        +9
        However, if the current Syrian regime of President Assad collapses, then the Russian Federation will not be able to remain in Syrian Tartus, since the Syrian opposition will not forgive Russia for its support for Assad.

        That's for sure! And now we sit back and wait, will the "regime" of Assad fall or not ?! wassat If you do nothing, then of course it will fall! The policy of our leadership is clearly not far-sighted! We must admit that we cannot provide direct military assistance! But you can put weapons, specialists, advisers, as in Vietnam! Oh yes, I almost forgot about the kids who live over the hill and about bank accounts ............. am
        1. Karish
          Karish 25 August 2012 12: 34
          +1
          Quote: nycsson
          If you do nothing, then of course it will fall!

          And the situation is actually stalemate. Look at what countries surround Syria, there are definitely no friends there and to help the rebels (hidden) they have every opportunity. In this sense, Russia has limited resources (in addition to support in the Sov.bez, but through Facebook you can enjoy it - WE love you - Assad laughing )
          If Russia begins to actively support Assad, this will untie the hands of NATO and others like it, and this will only hasten the end of Assad. Therefore, everyone sits and looks (like vultures over prey), who will pass whom. Assad, in fact, is simply shitty. If the opposition of money (Saudi Arabia and Qatar) give not counting, and the money there is just a sea. Saudi Arabia ended this year with a budget surplus of 600 billion. So who will give the money to Assad, Russia? IRAN? How much is 2-3 billion (maybe. Iran does not have money, the banking system itself is paralyzed by sanctions. Russia - well, go ahead, 10 billion forgiven, 4 billion - it has already given loans, they will add a couple more and in the end nothing will come back) Because even if Assad wins, there will be nothing to pay. For 20 billion, it would be possible to wash an island in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea and set up a base, it would be cheaper wassat
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 25 August 2012 18: 22
            +8
            Quote: Karish
            Assad, in fact, is simply shitty.


            India has confirmed its rejection of any external military intervention in Syria’s internal affairs and pointed out the need for a peaceful solution to the crisis with the assistance of the international community.
            During a press conference on the eve of the visit of Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh to Tehran to attend the summit of the Non-Aligned Movement, Indian Foreign Minister Ranjan Matai emphasized that India calls for compliance with six points of the plan of Kofi Annan, SANA agency reported.
            The question is, why should India support Assad if he has such bad things? Sat looked and then suddenly began to see clearly?
            Quote: Karish
            So everyone is sitting and looking (like vultures over prey),

            At the same time, however, no one is interested in the complete collapse of Syria. France, if such a collapse happens, runs the risk of losing "their" Lebanon, which also will not remain intact. States are wary of receiving two-thirds of the territory of present Syria by an unbalanced Salafi emirate. Which very quickly provokes a new outbreak in the just and with great difficulty pacified Iraq, and neither they nor their British partners need this at all. For the simple reason that Syria is interested in the Anglo-Saxons, mainly as a calm space through which it will be possible to pump Iraqi oil and Qatari gas directly to the Mediterranean Sea, eliminating the need for tankers, the Suez Canal, the Strait of Hormuz, as well as the services of an unpredictable Turkey . So, if you think about it, everything is not romantic.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 25 August 2012 19: 31
              +1
              Don't forget: Syria is also "French". Syria is also interesting in that it is a regional ally of Iran, and a country that has annoyed the States and Europe enough in a number of parameters.
            2. Che
              Che 29 August 2012 11: 00
              0
              Ascetic,
              +++ And yet there is a feeling that amers harm Syria to their own detriment. As a person who bought a ticket, but in spite of the conductor went on foot.
          2. Dnepropetrovsk
            Dnepropetrovsk 25 August 2012 21: 20
            +2
            Why, if Russia actively supports Assad, will this untie NATO’s hands? And the fact that Saudi Arabia and Qatar, and a number of other countries support the revolutionaries, who will this untie their hands?
            1. Dnepropetrovsk
              Dnepropetrovsk 25 August 2012 21: 46
              +2
              And I’ll allow myself one comment, Russia can untie its hands, and then other countries can support it, for example, China, Iran, maybe India and other countries, and NATO’s hands are already untied and they are actively showing this. Well, not quite NATO, but a number of countries from NATO.
        2. 25 August 2012 15: 42
          +4
          Quote: nycsson
          But you can put weapons, specialists, advisers, as in Vietnam! Oh yes, I almost forgot about the kids who live over the hill and about bank accounts .............

          For those who are constantly in a coma.
          Our weapons and specialists have long been there (it was these specialists who installed the radar in Syria).
          And about the foreign policy of our state, about the work of Putin, Lavrov and Churkin to talk to whom, but not blind hamsters, who, apart from the mantra about "foreign accounts and children over the hill", know nothing and do not see anything.

          And not for stupid hamsters, you can read: http://digitalmetro.us/2012/08/22/gosdep-uzhe-ne-xochet-pobedy-v-sirii/

          and especially this: http://m-alexandrov.livejournal.com/14606.html

          In the light of these facts, the accelerated rearmament of the Southern Military District becomes clear and why such a ship as "Dagestan" is in the Caspian Sea.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 25 August 2012 18: 11
            0
            Quote: kos
            Our weapons and specialists have long been there (it was these specialists who installed the radar in Syria).

            God forbid ................. And where does such confidence come from?
            Quote: kos
            And about the foreign policy of our state, about the work of Putin, Lavrov and Churkin to talk to whom, but not blind hamsters, who, apart from the mantra about "foreign accounts and children over the hill", know nothing and do not see anything.

            What should I see? UN Security Council see what? It is necessary but not enough!
            Quote: kos
            And not for stupid hamsters, you can read:

            let's do without kindergarten, otherwise I will be forced to answer. I will definitely read everything ......
      2. sprut
        sprut 26 August 2012 21: 54
        0
        This is not bullshit.
    2. barbosa
      barbosa 25 August 2012 10: 36
      -8
      The base in Tartus must be preserved anyway! And maybe you should at the same time create the Mediterranean Squadron again! With a competent approach, it is possible and not a large amount to restrain NATO forces!


      ahah I wonder how you save it Makar if Assad’s regime still falls? would have time to carry away then! and NATO will get another base for free! drinks
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 25 August 2012 10: 50
        +4
        Which base? There are two hangars throughout the base.
        1. barbosa
          barbosa 25 August 2012 10: 57
          -1
          Which base? There are two hangars throughout the base

          and berth
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 25 August 2012 14: 06
          0
          And two out of four people who rely on 8 staff) There is a wonderful RTR report on this subject
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 25 August 2012 12: 21
        -1
        Quote: barbosa
        would have time to carry away then!

        This is if they allow the legs to carry away! It seems to me that it is unlikely .......
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 25 August 2012 12: 14
      -2
      Quote: Sreben
      And maybe you should at the same time create the Mediterranean Squadron again!

      And what kind of boats will you create it? Then the rear must be restored again! According to our military-political leadership, we have no enemies in the next five years and will not have them !!! Hence all the insanity with this "reform"! Before reformed, damn it ... wassat
      1. alexng
        alexng 26 August 2012 18: 37
        0
        - What is a lie?
        “Lies are a kind of lazuli in the green cultulum.”

        Greens, probably.
    4. Isr
      Isr 25 August 2012 15: 28
      -4
      Well, and when I wrote that the ships went there to evacuate the base, they did not believe me.
      1. Rebus
        Rebus 25 August 2012 19: 43
        +4
        Quote: Isr

        Well, and when I wrote that the ships went there to evacuate the base, they did not believe me.

        Are you probably נביא? And the prophets were stoned wink
        The work of the personnel of the PMTO (logistics point) takes place as usual.


        PS You wrote to me yesterday that I am an anti-Semite, but if I were an anti-Semite, you were treating Arabs just as bad (they are also Semites) ... I am only an opponent of the territorial education policy ישראל, whose flag you wear ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 August 2012 19: 45
          -1
          Antisemite long ago acquired a specific meaning - the Jewish hatred. Do not engage in verbiage, do not.
  2. PatriotizTAT
    PatriotizTAT 25 August 2012 09: 32
    0
    Again, nothing new ... we are losing ground, everything is old, maybe we will start Saturday with a positive ?!
  3. ANTRAX
    ANTRAX 25 August 2012 09: 39
    +5
    I had no doubt that the news about the evacuation of personnel was the same as the one that Assad was resigning. many lie, but not all believe them.
  4. koksalek
    koksalek 25 August 2012 10: 05
    0
    Well, in general, they leaked Syria. So for decency, muttered under his breath and leaked
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 August 2012 11: 53
      +5
      You know that there are so many paratroopers, tank crews, pilots who are sick of the soul for Assad’s regime, and no one moves a finger to help him. You are ready to send someone to die for your worldview, and why don’t you get together, buy Moscow-Damascus tickets and not offer your services at least as instructors? I don’t want the Israeli soldiers to go to defend the interests of the regime friendly to us beyond 1500 km from our borders. And everything is so simple for you. And the mothers of the boys you want to send to the SAR, someone will ask, and the officers' wives? In war, unfortunately, not only we shoot, but also at us.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 25 August 2012 12: 17
        -6
        About 20 years ago, I would have done so, and now I can only send you with your advice to a known address. And I will calmly cheer on anyone I want. I spread here rotten morality, damn it ...
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 25 August 2012 12: 23
          +1
          yes to health, send wherever you want, I know if I’m not offended. lol I expressed my vision, you are yours. To be offended by a person whom you will never see in reality is somewhat stupid. hi
        2. Dimon
          Dimon 26 August 2012 12: 08
          0
          hear, what are you rude, old ...
      2. nycsson
        nycsson 25 August 2012 12: 26
        -1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        and nobody moves a finger to help him.

        This initiative should come from the state, not from the military!
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        And the mothers of the boys you want to send to the SAR, someone will ask, and the officers' wives?

        Any mother who has given birth to a son must understand that there may come a time when it will be necessary to go and defend her homeland and possibly die for her!
        In this situation, only specialists can be sent there to support Assad’s troops!
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 25 August 2012 16: 54
          +2
          nycsson
          but let me not speak about the military, I’m talking about free citizens who have a sense of duty to their ally. How much do I understand this is how Mr. Assad is positioned here? After all, if Assad’s enemies come to the rescue, it’s without irony, why unknown about the volunteers who came to help Assad? After all, so many people in the Russian Federation and in general in the former USSR support him. An example is our forum and many others, well, where is there even one battalion of volunteers? Just don’t take this as a rude joke, but it’s hard not to notice the difference between Assad’s massive Internet support and absolute inaction in practice.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 25 August 2012 18: 14
            0
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            After all, so many people in the Russian Federation and in general in the former USSR support him. An example is our forum and many others, well, where is there even one battalion of volunteers? Just don’t take this as a rude joke, but it’s hard not to notice the difference between Assad’s massive Internet support and absolute inaction in practice.

            Perhaps you are right! recourse
          2. Bully
            Bully 25 August 2012 23: 08
            0
            You dear, do not engage in agitation here, after all, it is not always necessary to fight, sometimes it is enough just to "STRICTLY LOOK" at your opponent, especially if he is weak in spirit with his impressive dimensions. An example of this is the Russian paratroopers at the Slatina airfield, no one dared to get pissed off, although the NATO forces had many times more.
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 26 August 2012 15: 30
              0
              Quote: Bully
              You dear, do not campaign here

              And to whom did you light these lines?
          3. Victor
            Victor 26 August 2012 20: 47
            +1
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Just don’t take it as a rude joke, but it’s hard not to notice the difference between Assad’s massive Internet support and absolute inaction in practice.

            You are somewhat wrong. There are a lot of people ready to go to Syria and help Assad. The question is different. The arrival of Slavic volunteers on the territory of a Muslim, albeit a secular state, will be unambiguously used by Muslim radicals as a new crusade in the Arab world to the holy land. For Russia, with its multi-confessional nature, such things are absolutely useless. There is enough of his radicalism. It remains for Alqaida to get one more reason to start another "holy war against the infidels." No, here either to fight big and to the end, or not to climb like an elephant into a china shop.
            It is for the same reasons that every NATO entry into the territory of Muslim countries ends in the collapse and increased terrorist activity of Islamic radicals. Neo-Crusader policies did not bring success to anyone.
            There was Yugoslavia, so there were a huge number of Russian volunteers. There were brothers in faith and in the Slavic world. In Syria, we have only the political and military interests of Russia as a state. There is no connection uniting peoples (as with Serbs) in Syria. Only pragmatic interest due to the geopolitical location of Syria and the MTO base plus the arms market. You can and should die for your homeland or a Slavic brotherhood, but you can die for a foreign state only if the existence of your country is on the map and a big war has begun, where your people are to bet or not to be in this world.
    2. wolverine7778
      wolverine7778 25 August 2012 15: 32
      0
      The point is not merging, but the changing political situation in the world. After all, when Bush demolished S. Hussein in Iraq, all Islamic countries and in particular the peoples of the Sunni branch, Turkey, Europe, Russia and China were unanimously against his overthrow, although he was a military dictator, but the United States was difficult to oppose the Governments of Kuwait and Saudi Arabia , and they knew that in the end it would then lead to a Sunni-Shiite confrontation in the future. When the Arab revolutions, in fact, Islamic ones swept through the countries of the Middle East and North Africa, including Libya, the Islamic world was also unanimous in support, Russia voted for the no-fly zone, because the positions of the Kadafists were weak, and to cause hatred of the entire Islamic world is worse. Russia supported Assad in Syria, to the last, because of the base, but here the political return will be the hatred of the Islamic world, and everyone knows that the North Caucasus, especially Dagestan is now blazing strongly, and volunteers from many Islamic countries can come back countries, and therefore the Russian leadership has now become clearly aware sad
  5. ward
    ward 25 August 2012 10: 21
    +4
    Here I am interested in the law on libel against journalists ... and then blundered ... received money ... and does not buzz ... where is the prosecutor's office ... plus ...
  6. ankh-andrej
    ankh-andrej 25 August 2012 10: 52
    +6
    The article was written with real perspectives, without fantasy. There will be no military support for Syria from either Russia or China. Moreover, there will not even be supplies of weapons to counterbalance the invaders. At the moment we do not have enough strength to resist the Yankees. And economically, and even more so, not to mention the possible retaliatory measures from America and the freezing of the accounts of our officials in the banks there. So let us be content with the "miracles of diplomacy."
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 25 August 2012 12: 25
      +1
      And some, I remember, were squealing with delight when the other day they slipped the bullshit here, that the Russian Federation supposedly expressed something sharply in the USA, right up to direct opposition laughing
      A gathering of young dreamers laughing
      1. 25 August 2012 15: 55
        +3
        s1н7т,
        Yes, this is a choice of whiners who, because of their impassable stupidity, suddenly decided that politics is done under camera lenses. Give a live broadcast from secret negotiations !!! (of course, there is no our weapon there, nobody personally reported to you. It’s just not clear what kind of vessel with the weapon they searched in the port of Cyprus ...)
        And Russia has been surrendering to Syria for a year already and will not surrender everything. And if you suddenly have to retreat, then for you mutants there will probably be no greater joy, just a puppy delight.
        It is difficult even to imagine what such "comrades" would write about Kutuzov, about Alexander Nevsky or Dimitri Donskoy. You "warriors" never had to retreat ...

        PS Who specifically has accounts in the West?
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 25 August 2012 18: 22
          +1
          Quote: kos
          Yes, this is a choice of whiners who, because of their impassable stupidity, suddenly decided that politics is done under camera lenses.

          And you are a bunch of URA-patriots and stupidity you have much more ....... You have more than 20 years as they want, but everything will not reach you in any way ........
          Quote: kos
          And Russia has been surrendering to Syria for a year already and will not surrender everything. And if you suddenly have to retreat, then for you mutants there will probably be no greater joy, just a puppy delight.

          And where is the joy? I want to cry. It's a shame for the country! You yourself are a mutant! You’re easier to talk, otherwise you’re too much in turns! You don’t take much on yourself? Have to retreat - here it is the result! It speaks for itself!
          Quote: kos
          "comrades" about Kutuzov, about Alexander Nevsky or Dimitri Donskoy.

          You don’t even dare to compare them with .................
          They were great people who shed blood for their homeland! And do not plunder!
          1. rolik
            rolik 26 August 2012 00: 49
            0
            nycsson; And you are a bunch of URA-patriots and stupidity you have much more ....... You have more than 20 years as they want, but everything will not reach you in any way ..
            But I wonder if you do not have a bang-patriots? And in my opinion they have full and with special cynicism. If this is not the case, try .... they prove the opposite.
            And in general, what do you mean by the term "Hurray-patriot"?
            1. nycsson
              nycsson 26 August 2012 15: 49
              0
              Quote: rolik
              But I wonder if you do not have a bang-patriots?

              Yes they all have! Only some are aware of this, while others are not.
              Quote: rolik
              If this is not the case, try .... they prove the opposite.

              I won’t even try! I completely agree.
              Quote: rolik
              And in general, what do you mean by the term "Hurray-patriot"?

              How can I explain to you. First of all, these are the people who support the "course" taken by our country towards a "bright future" and do not see the obvious things!
              As an example, I can cite the situation in Syria: they say we’ll give this to NATO if something happens ......... They sent our group to Middle-earth consisting of three landing ships and two watchmen! If you estimate, then on each landing ship, one company of the Marine Corps! Well, they begin to write: Hurray, we’ll tear everyone there! But, it seems to me, before writing this, we need to compare our grouping and the NATO grouping in Middle-earth! Elephant and pug! Well, or such a question with the economic course of our country, in the form of pipes in different directions! Our economy is the strongest, and no one thinks that it depends on the price per barrel ......... In short, to sum up, these are ardent optimists! Which in any situation, even the most deplorable, see some kind of positive dynamics! Something like this. I believe that you need to really look at things and call them by their proper names.
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 25 August 2012 12: 29
      +2
      Quote: ankh-andrej
      So let us be content with the "miracles of diplomacy."

      We won’t be content with these miracles for long! They will now deal with Syria, then with Iran, and then take up the Caucasus and Central Asia! Our prospects are not bright. Now you need to give a damn about everything and build ships, planes, tanks, etc. I'm sure they will be needed soon ...........
    3. Karish
      Karish 25 August 2012 12: 39
      +1
      Quote: ankh-andrej
      And in economic terms, and even more so, not to mention the possible retaliatory measures on the part of America and the freezing of the accounts of our officials in the local banks.

      Why, we can freeze the accounts of American officials in Russian banks laughing laughing laughing
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 25 August 2012 12: 58
        +1
        Quote: Karish
        Why, we can freeze the accounts of American officials in Russian banks

        laughing laughing laughing
        I hasten to laugh at everything, otherwise I would have to cry .......
      2. rolik
        rolik 26 August 2012 00: 55
        0
        You can make it easier to convert all gold and foreign exchange reserves (which are in dollars), for example, in euros, or in the Arab dinar :). And throw the bucks on the stock exchange. Then you won't have to arrest the accounts, and we will help Germany. And maybe we'll see how pi ... and this become "really" separate states of the former America))
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 26 August 2012 15: 53
          0
          Quote: rolik
          It can be made easier to transfer all gold and currency reserves (which are in dollars) for example in euros, or in the Arab dinar :).

          Our gold and foreign exchange reserves in American banks lie! And we have the Central Bank of the Russian Federation an independent structure, which does not obey either the president or the government. Something like this.
          1. alexng
            alexng 27 August 2012 00: 46
            0
            And who told you such nonsense. All reserves were quietly withdrawn from American influence in Putin’s past rule. Only technologically necessary amounts remained for current and short-term temporary loans and transactions with a depth of not more than 2-3 months. Now the United States does not have a single lever of influence on Russia, so they are furious. I want to bite, but not to bite a flat surface, and in direct conflict there is someone between the big toes, bench press.
  7. bubla5
    bubla5 25 August 2012 11: 11
    0
    Getting ready to drain Syria
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 25 August 2012 12: 31
      0
      Just getting ready to admit the fact. Nothing personal, as they say. But Assad himself is to blame - he slammed the situation.
  8. nycsson
    nycsson 25 August 2012 12: 11
    0
    A source in the Russian defense ministry noted that the ship grouping of the Russian Federation looks like a dwarf compared to the maritime groups of NATO countries that have concentrated in the Mediterranean. The source also said that by military means, our naval base in the Syrian Tartus cannot be maintained. Russia cannot by military means prevent countries supporting the Syrian opposition.
    Here it is, really! Though bitter! And the reason for this is this crap democracy of the last 20 plus years! I wonder what and what our "leaders" were thinking about all this time ??? am am am
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 25 August 2012 12: 28
      +1
      There is not a military base in Tartus, but a TO point. It is located at the base of the Tartu port and does not have and by the way has never possessed a military contingent intended for defense. It is enough to ask on the Internet to get comprehensive information about it.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 25 August 2012 13: 07
        0
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        In Tartus, not a military base, but a maintenance point

        I do not see a fundamental difference .................
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 25 August 2012 14: 09
          +1
          There is a fundamental difference. There are two people at the base. Search YouTube for a report from the base.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 25 August 2012 14: 21
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            There is a fundamental difference. There are two people at the base. Search YouTube for a report from the base.

            Yes, even one! I know it!
      2. 77bor1973
        77bor1973 25 August 2012 22: 01
        0
        I put "+" because I do not see the military expediency of finding even a small grouping of ships in Tartus - just an additional pretext for provocations. The base exists for the fleet and not vice versa.
  9. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 25 August 2012 12: 17
    +8
    They lie and do not blush. As far as I know, the personnel have already been ordered to pack their things and prepare for loading onto the ship for departure to Russia, although the mess is 350 km from the base ...
    Kirdyk of Syria. Would help on time, the result would be different. But no. Again another betrayal. This all went. What kind of course is this? Is it in the interests of the West?
    Where is the menacing look and the frowning forehead of the Supreme? I would like to hear a clear explanation of the guarantor, damn it!
    I am ashamed and insulting the power in front of the world. We are losing the last distant base ... We are looking for adventure on our own.
    1. Karish
      Karish 25 August 2012 12: 22
      +1
      Quote: Samsebenum
      Again another betrayal. What kind of course is this?

      Because stubbornness is the first sign of dullness. Several options must be kept in stock, and in case of Assad's fall, the same. What is more important for Russia in general is the base in Tartus, Syria as an ally - or Assad. But clinging to Assad will result in Syria being lost forever. That then Lavrov will say that we defended our principles. Well, it will remain with the princes, but without influence on the Middle East.
      1. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 25 August 2012 12: 43
        +2
        Karish
        Dear, this betrayal can be called a funeral of respect for Russia in the Middle East. Do you seriously think that there will be people who will believe us? Do you think Syria will remain our ally? Yes, what are you?
        Now she will become our enemy and friend of the United States. At least they always help their own, and not betray.
        1. nycsson
          nycsson 25 August 2012 13: 06
          +3
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Dear, this betrayal can be called a funeral of respect for Russia in the Middle East. Do you seriously think that there will be people who will believe us? Do you think Syria will remain our ally? Yes, what are you?
          Now she will become our enemy and friend of the United States. At least they always help their own, and not betray.

          I welcome you and fully support! One of two things: 1. Our leadership is a gang of incompetent people who do not understand anything ... ...........
          2. They all understand perfectly, but they dance to the tune of someone else ..............
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 August 2012 14: 26
          -1
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Dear, this betrayal can be called a funeral of respect for Russia in the Middle East. Do you seriously think that there will be people who will believe us? Do you think Syria will remain our ally? Yes, what are you?

          Respect was lost a long time ago when Russia was expelled from the process of resolving the question of Palestine!
          Do you seriously think that this regime will remain in Syria ??
          The overthrow of his matter of time!
        3. Karish
          Karish 25 August 2012 15: 08
          +1
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Dear, this betrayal can be called a funeral of respect for Russia in the Middle East. Do you seriously think that there will be people who will believe us

          I live in the Middle East and believe me, I know the situation. Russia in BV is not respected and not trusted in the Arab countries and this is not a slander on my part, clinging to Assad is the last way to maintain this influence through Syria (because Syria
          key player in the BV. They do not believe Russia. believe Al Jazeera. Al Jazeera is the main player on the street of moods in the Arab world and she is from Qatar - Assad's main opponent
          .
          Quote: Samsebenum
          Do you think Syria will remain our ally

          It is possible that Russia from the very beginning took such a position that it drove itself into a corner. Now either pan or disappeared, Assad will fall, there will be no Russian spirit in Syria. And I wrote about this for a long time. For the future it is necessary to think and work out all the faithful. Somehow the United States remains influential regardless of regime change. Why can't Russia do that?

          Quote: Samsebenum
          Now she will become our enemy and friend of the United States. At least they always help their own, and not betray.

          When necessary, they betray their own, in order to maintain influence.
          England has no friends, there are interests- Chechil (if I'm not mistaken)
          In Russia, on the contrary, because of friends they forget about the interests of Russia.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 25 August 2012 18: 27
            0
            Quote: Karish
            In Russia, on the contrary, because of friends they forget about the interests of Russia.

            Here are the golden words! Berlusconi and the purchase of Italian armored cars and wheeled tanks! You bold +!
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 25 August 2012 19: 38
            0
            Yes, I completely agree. Moreover, Russia greatly spoiled itself for Libya and Syria, failing to capture the changed situation.
      2. ward
        ward 25 August 2012 13: 11
        +1
        Do you really think that after Assad ... even if we surrender it on a silver platter like Yugoslavia ... they will deal with us ... the naughty enemies of my enemy are my friend ...
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 25 August 2012 14: 38
          0
          Will Russia be economically and militarily strong will not get anywhere will deal !!
        2. Karish
          Karish 25 August 2012 15: 38
          +1
          Quote: ward
          Do you really think that after Assad ... even if we surrender it on a silver platter like Yugoslavia ... they will deal with us ..

          Do you think that the former countries of Yugoslavia have a bad attitude towards Russia, because it * has handed them over * And is it good to America and NATO, because they bombed them? Quite a superficial interpretation of events.
          Quote: ward
          the enemy of my enemy is my friend ..

          Somehow it is not clear. You are counting from the enemies of Syria, or the enemies of America. What would I understand - a friend of Russia - the one who is the enemy of America, Or the enemy of Russia - those who are enemies of Syria.?
          1. ward
            ward 25 August 2012 17: 08
            0
            Oh, drop everything you understand ... and the Yugoslavs treat us accordingly ... and how they break into the EU ... they just even hand over their generals in batches ... and about us .... and you’re probably able to use Occam’s razor ...
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 25 August 2012 19: 42
          0
          Not always. On such a policy is often very break off.
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 25 August 2012 14: 24
        -1
        Quote: Karish
        Because stubbornness is the first sign of dullness. Several options must be kept in stock, and in case of Assad's fall, the same. What is more important for Russia in general is the base in Tartus, Syria as an ally - or Assad. But clinging to Assad will result in Syria being lost forever. That then Lavrov will say that we defended our principles. Well, it will remain with the princes, but without influence on the Middle East.

        Quote: Karish
        Because stubbornness is the first sign of dullness. Several options must be kept in stock, and in case of Assad's fall, the same. What is more important for Russia in general is the base in Tartus, Syria as an ally - or Assad. But clinging to Assad will result in Syria being lost forever. That then Lavrov will say that we defended our principles. Well, it will remain with the princes, but without influence on the Middle East.

        I support your views !!
        Since there is not even an ideological, not a national, non-religious attachment to talk about betrayal!
    2. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 25 August 2012 12: 23
      0
      And this is at the moment when Assad began to bend his "opponents"!
      Initially, I did not believe that they would not merge, but it’s still a shame for the country!
  10. Karish
    Karish 25 August 2012 12: 18
    +1
    Quote: nycsson
    Here it is, really! Though bitter! And the reason for this is this crap democracy of the last 20 plus years! I wonder what and what our "leaders" were thinking about all this time ???

    I didn’t understand that, for 20 years, including the rule of the GDP, well, this is definitely not a democracy. By the way, the whole Arab * spring *, rather Islamic than democratic.
    Quote: nycsson
    The source also said that our naval base in Syria Tartus cannot be held by military means.

    How can it be held back if it is captured by rebels, or attacked? This is not Guantanamo, the extraterritoriality of the base in Tartus is not addressed. You just have to (in case of threat) collect things and leave. There will be no other option. Navy will not shoot at the Syrians (even at the rebels).
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 25 August 2012 13: 03
      0
      Quote: Karish
      I somehow didn’t understand, 20 years including the board of GDP

      And what, did the GDP do something for 12 years for our country? The result of his reign with DAM is simply deplorable! The situation around Syria is a vivid confirmation of this!
      Quote: Karish
      How can she be held back if she is captured by the rebels?

      Deliveries of weapons, specialists and military advisers!
  11. ward
    ward 25 August 2012 13: 14
    0
    Well, why did you cry ... everything is not so bad there ... Turkey is practically turned off ... in Iraq, the base of bandits ... yes yes bandits ... otherwise the opposition also came up with ... bombed ... the air defense is normal. ..comanches are dancing around the fire ... everything at work ...
  12. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 25 August 2012 13: 35
    0
    It’s interesting why no one noticed that when the militants occupied Aleppo, a key point in the war in Syria, our and Chinese groups appeared. And when Aleppo was taken and the Syrian troops put things in order there, the ship groups went about their business. Maybe someone will anyone give a comment?
    1. 25 August 2012 16: 02
      0
      Tambov Wolf,
      Assad was offered help from warships, but he refused, considered that he could handle it and ... did it. Everything will be fine, but do not pay attention to whiners who have been whining for half a year that Russia is surrendering Syria.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 25 August 2012 18: 35
        0
        Quote: kos
        Assad was offered help from warships, but he refused, considered that he could handle it and ... did it.

        I have a feeling that I’m talking with the President of Russia, or at least with the head of the GRU! The second time I ask, where does such confidence come from and the more information!
        Quote: kos
        Everything will be fine, but do not pay attention to whiners who have been whining for half a year that Russia is surrendering Syria.

        And all this goes! There are few examples: Yugoslavia and Libya! We are not used to it! Have our ships already fled from the Mediterranean or not? Landing, yes!
        At least some kind of argument from you to read, inspiring hope ........ In addition to YOUR OPINION .........
      2. NORTH
        NORTH 27 August 2012 00: 13
        0
        I agree with you! They let go of the snot: "Lyolik, everything is gone ..." Not men, but simply ....
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 25 August 2012 18: 37
      0
      Quote: Tambov Wolf
      Can someone give a comment?

      I do not quite understand your thought! Do you think that their mere presence influenced the bandits? Hardly!
  13. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 25 August 2012 13: 41
    +2
    ward
    Quote: ward
    Well, why did you cry ... everything is not so bad there ...


    Yes, really, why are we pouring tears? Everything is already calm there ...
    Obama said that he would not intervene and was leaving, the opposition reached out over the hill in slender lines, Assad returned the troops to the barracks, and the population set about their usual business ... The first group of tourists, the Comanche tribe Indians, dance peacefully in Damascus around a fire.
    Everything is calm and peaceful. Sleep well and you are Russians, everything is under control, everything is going according to plan.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 25 August 2012 14: 23
      0
      Quote: Samsebenum
      Everything is calm and peaceful. Sleep well and you are Russians, everything is under control, everything is going according to plan.

      That's just the point that according to the plan ....................... am
  14. kush62
    kush62 25 August 2012 14: 43
    +1
    The Russian Federation will continue to continue to support the regime of President Bashar al-Assad at both the humanitarian and information levels ...
    Something is not believed about the word mode. Surely this was not said. Well, the rest is not believed after these words.
    A source in the Russian military department noted that the naval group of the Russian Federation looks like a dwarf in comparison with the naval groups of the NATO countries that concentrated in the Mediterranean. Well, they were right scared and left. Some sources are not clear, they support the Syrian opposition differently.
    1. 25 August 2012 16: 03
      0
      Quote: kush62
      A source in the Russian military department noted that the naval group of the Russian Federation looks like a dwarf in comparison with the naval groups of the NATO countries that concentrated in the Mediterranean. Well, they were right scared and left. Some sources are not clear, they support the Syrian opposition differently.

      I completely agree. Oh, these "sources" ...
  15. vezunchik
    vezunchik 25 August 2012 15: 53
    +1
    as they say in the bible - judge from not by speeches, but by deeds. A lot of talking, but what's the point ??? Or is everything going according to plan ???
  16. ward
    ward 25 August 2012 17: 54
    0
    In general, I’ll say one thing now ... there is such a formation ... the elite is called ... if the country has it ... it will not win ... why ... yes it is not for sale ... if it is not the elite for sale. .. well, you see them on TV ... if there is an elite in Syria ... then I think they will stand up ...
  17. Perevalov
    Perevalov 25 August 2012 18: 43
    0
    And I keep thinking - when will our government hit the table with its fist? I live in one of those very "democratic" countries and I have almost no strength to see and hear how Russia is being mixed with shit everywhere ... And she keeps silent to herself in a rag. Moreover, even some "natives" ask questions on "their" forums: "Why won't Russia answer anything?" ... But they are a minority and they do not make the weather in these countries - yes, they write on the Internet, and some of their entries are censored and are not posted on the websites of Western newspapers under the headings "Reader's Letters", and the authors themselves are taken into account by the appropriate "competent authorities" those countries. It is a shame and a shame for our once mighty country - first the Serbs, then the Libyans, now the Syrians were "surrendered" to us - soon no one will give us a hand at all, and first of all those "democratic" countries, since the losers are most despised here.
    These countries have a lot of ambition and self-confidence, but they all have one weak point - their soldiers, for the most part, are well trained, armed, but morally not ready for losses, because they do not understand what they are fighting for. For democracy? But this is not the Motherland, and the concept is so broad and vague ... I am sure (after talking with "their" soldiers and a policeman who have visited Afghanistan) that if they were there, for example, they would lose as many children as our army, then they would have gotten out of there long ago. They themselves say: "How did you manage to hold out there so much?" Until now, riding on their "patrols", they pass by rusted, burnt columns of Soviet technology. According to their confessions, they never dreamed of such losses, and would not have believed if they themselves had not seen ...
  18. Kosatka
    Kosatka 25 August 2012 19: 57
    +1
    Infa in the article looks like an echo of the "information war" of stuck-up homies. This "SOURCE in MO" needs to kick ass. The Russian naval base in Tartus is a powerful deterrent against direct aggression by foreigners against Syria. And while at least one floating craft under the St. Andrew's Flag is based there or is temporarily located, the ship's board is the inviolable territory of the flag state. hardly dare to attack without the blessing of the Soviets without the UN, ie the Russian Federation and China. Although NATO has already expressed its readiness to unilaterally begin to exert pressure on Damascus, it would be a casus belli. This readiness is confirmed by the concentration of the forces of the united coalition on the borders with Syria, in the Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf. Almost all command and control bodies, ships, submarines, air groups and marines have experience of fighting in Afghanistan, Iraq or Libya. The power is serious, but the Syrians can really resist it only with the help of the Russian Federation, China and Iran. Now Syria is becoming the frontier where world interests collide, and the result of such a clash will change the political map of not only the Middle East. It is necessary to hold Syria up to the stop. am The further deepening of the conflict in Syria has deeper implications for Russia than the loss of "several abandoned houses behind a fence and a floating dock" in Tartus.
  19. ivanovfarit
    ivanovfarit 25 August 2012 20: 43
    -1
    The most interesting thing on Tartus from the personnel are two people, a cat and a dog))
    1. Voin sveta82
      Voin sveta82 26 August 2012 16: 28
      0
      so what ??)) and behind them all of us and you too ..)))
  20. bask
    bask 25 August 2012 20: 58
    0
    All the same, they draped from Tartus-Syria. I expected that they would throw it earlier. But here they threw like all other allies before that .. Now the blood will flow in Syria. There will be more cool than Iraq. Ktozh now wants to be friends with us.
  21. 1st_user
    1st_user 25 August 2012 22: 21
    +1
    This little article smells like stuffing. I have noticed for a long time that stuffing differs from ordinary articles in a kind of "forcing rate" in writing.
    If you turn on the brains, you can understand that no one will chase a huge group of Navy ships for nothing. It is complicated and VERY expensive. It is possible that there were some closed tasks that no one will ever tell you about the stump in the media. And to draw far-reaching conclusions after reading one article is not worth it. News sites are a field of information warfare. Here you need to be vigilant, attentive and restrained in order to weigh everything and filter.
    1. rolik
      rolik 26 August 2012 01: 08
      0
      And they noticed how those who were happy yesterday about our presence in Syria started to snot. So it’s easy and give up, we read a cheap misinformation with reference to another source in the Moscow Region and that’s all .... Ambets:
      - Chef !!! Chef !!!! Everything is lost!!!! Plaster is removed, the client leaves !!!!
      And these comerades are ready to "rebuff" the enemy ????
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 26 August 2012 16: 00
      0
      Quote: 1st_user
      If you turn on the brains, you can understand that no one will chase a huge group of Navy ships for nothing. It is complicated and VERY expensive. It is possible that there were some closed tasks that no one will ever tell you about the stump in the media.

      The actions of our government have long succumbed to no logic! I think they drove them there in order to somehow save face, in front of their own people!
  22. sablezub81
    sablezub81 25 August 2012 22: 25
    +2
    "The Russian naval group looks like a dwarf in comparison with the naval groupings of NATO countries" - Strange, it is not possible that nuclear weapons are no longer rolling, but let at least one of our ships sink and nuclear mushrooms will grow where they have never grown before ...
    1. Bob
      Bob 25 August 2012 22: 55
      0
      Quote: sablezub81
      It’s strange, if the nuclear weapons are no longer being driven, let them sink at least one of our ships and the nuclear blocks will grow where they had never spread before ...

      It is 100% correct. Although the story with the Kursk showed that in some "cases" it is possible to "come to an agreement" by bargaining prematurely. Well, the fact that "... the boat sank ..." no one will ever dispute, an example of the action of the phenomenon "captain is obvious." And if then, in August 1999, everything went according to a different scenario, where would we be now ... I also write that NATO members were insolent back then in 1999, and who would teach them manners today so that they are respected, so that were afraid. Well, they have pulled an armada of forces into the Mediterranean Sea, are practicing their "peacekeeping" mission in exercises, show their military muscles, but do they think that after an attack or an "accident" with at least one Russian ship, they will have a power supply? One gets the impression that they do not think, because they consider themselves on a horse, and are proud of their "unconditional" leadership in the world. Modern Russia has not yet been able to prove the opposite, due to its peaceful policy, on the one hand, and the immaturity of Russian politicians, on the other hand, which is generally explained by the immaturity of the still young Russian state.
  23. Bob
    Bob 25 August 2012 22: 43
    +4
    Vanga: ".... two dozen, two hundred, a black ruler, the war in the Middle East, which no one will give value, will develop into a global war that will take millions of lives ... The war will be, and it will begin with one of the Arab countries , at first no one will take her seriously, but soon her wars will declare themselves .. No one will be saved .. "
    Two dozen, two hundred - the date of the inauguration of the black ruler - 2009, since the oath of the 1st president of the UWB in 1789 - exactly 220 years.
    The black ruler is B. Obama, there was no other and will not be anymore, because there is only one black man in the congress.
    A small Arab country in the Middle East is Syria with a population of 20 million.
    And finally, the socio-political situation in the region and in the world is such that not one of the global players - the USA, Russia, China wants to give up their positions on Syria, and the further they distance themselves not only on this issue, but also on many to others. Diplomatic means are almost exhausted, the military remains, so there are such movements of the parties - the pulling together of a group of forces of NATO, Russia, exercises and so on. While specialists from NATO are already almost openly fighting in Syria, as well as numerous mercenaries, drawn into jihad from around the world and equipped with NATO forces, Turkey is busy preparing and delivering bearded people from its territory. Everything has already gone too far, and everyone is just waiting for one answer to the question - When will the NATO military operation begin? However, the answer is obvious - on the eve or after November 6 - US Presidential Day
    The question is, how will Russia, China, Iran behave in this case ?! What will be the red line for the parties to the conflict, and the response to actions that threaten the interests of the parties. I think that the loss of Tartus and the possibility of deploying and operating the fleet in the Mediterranean, Indian Ocean, South Atlantic is that red line for Russia, for China - the loss of an energy base in the person of Iran, for Iran - the loss of Syria as its only ally. This point of view is indirectly confirmed by the facts of the deployed exercises in the Mediterranean Sea of ​​our ships, as well as the rapid repair and commissioning of the Kuznetsov TAVKR, the planned and already ongoing command and staff exercises of the Southern Military District Kavkaz 2012 and other details.
    1. rolik
      rolik 26 August 2012 01: 13
      +2
      By this time, more long-range and lethal toys must be delivered to Syria in a roundabout way. For example, "Club-M", then the mattress makers will be surprised when they receive such garbage in their own.
      1. nycsson
        nycsson 26 August 2012 16: 04
        0
        Quote: rolik
        By this time, more long-range and lethal toys must be delivered to Syria in a roundabout way. For example, "Club-M", then the mattress makers will be surprised when they receive such garbage in their own.

        We cannot supply helicopters under the contract! What are you talking about! Yes, they did not deliver the S-300 to Iran, although there was a contract! Our landing ships are already sailing home! To do this, you need political will, a strong army and an independent economy! And we have no nichrome ........
        1. rolik
          rolik 27 August 2012 23: 47
          0
          Well, they didn’t give a dream ((((
    2. Rezun
      Rezun 26 August 2012 07: 20
      -1
      In my opinion, here is a little more complicated ...
    3. Voin sveta82
      Voin sveta82 26 August 2012 16: 41
      0
      Well, China will definitely not sit idly by ..)) and we .. in the wings ...)) I respect Lavrov ... well done .. !!!))) ...... Vovchik Putin ... ... who is the president - excuse me ... as a political prostitute .... It was necessary to immediately stop ... the Americans .... when they bombed LIBYA ..)))) .. even if you remember the submarine "Kurs" ..... he knew for sure that the Americans torpedoed her ....... and right now he cannot present anything concrete to them .... and they are doing their dirty deed ...)))) In this regard, Medvedev ... a little better ... immediately sent troops to South Ossetia ..))))
      1. rolik
        rolik 27 August 2012 23: 52
        0
        Medvedev just did not send troops into Ossetia until Vovchik kicked him in the ass. Because of this, a whole day was lost, although plans for a response were already prepared long ago, and it was Vovchik who claimed them. And Dimon could not taste for a day that the war had begun, by the way, together with a pair of farts, they could not believe in the war. So what exactly Vovchik needs to say thanks for that. that Sukashvili dined with his tie.
  24. bask
    bask 26 August 2012 11: 12
    0
    We also know about Vanga and that Americans and NATO are a hundred times cooler. Do not let Syria build their own fences. And in Russia they announced to the whole world. . Let’s hand over Syria to us in the world of pipelats comes. Point.
    1. Voin sveta82
      Voin sveta82 26 August 2012 16: 27
      0
      no .. it won’t come ...))) Too much has already been done so that it doesn’t come ...)))
  25. AIvanA
    AIvanA 27 August 2012 05: 56
    0
    If our minister and the supreme leader decided to suspend, it means they will most likely get him out, and the fulfillment of some tasks by the ship group is of course bullshit, you just need to put an air defense umbrella at least over the base then you can understand it like that. And if Assad is overthrown (destroyed), then the base cannot be unambiguous, and even during the invasion it can be different, we recall the peacekeepers in Georgia. Well, at the expense of the mental health of the US Secretary of State, this is called paranoia.
  26. Che
    Che 29 August 2012 10: 51
    0
    However, if the current Syrian regime of President Assad collapses, then the Russian Federation will not be able to remain in Syrian Tartus, since the Syrian opposition will not forgive Russia for its support for Assad.
    At least that's why we need to support Syria.