F-35B fighter in the United States hit itself with its own high-explosive fragmentation ammunition

From the United States comes confirmation of the incident that occurred with the 5th generation F-35 fighter. We are talking about the F-35B Marine Corps fighter, which, during the flight, managed to hit itself with its own ammunition.

According to the latest information, this incident occurred in early March, but information about it did not appear in the press immediately.

In the US media sphere, they write that, by performing a planned application weapons over the Yuma Range in Arizona, the aircraft received significant damage as a result of the fact that “one of the fired ammunition exploded almost immediately upon leaving the barrel aviation guns ". As a result of the rupture of this ammunition, the lower part of the new generation USMC fighter was seriously damaged.

It is reported that the pilot was not injured, he was able to deliver the fighter to the airbase, "although it was quite difficult to do this due to damage to the fuselage."

According to American sources, an assessment of the damage was carried out. According to preliminary data, the damage is more than $ 2,5 million.

The incident is confirmed by the spokesman for the Marine Corps Captain Andrew Wood. According to him, an investigation into the causes of the incident is currently underway. Among the versions - low-quality ammunition, which ended up in the arsenal of the fighter.

Captain Wood:

We qualified it as a class A incident (significant damage - at least $ 2,5 million - note "VO").

If we talk about the configuration of the F-35B, then it is capable of carrying a 22 mm GAU-9 / A Gatling (GPU-25 / A) aircraft cannon. Moreover, unlike the F-35A, the gun is located in the lower part of the hull. This cannon was reportedly used to fire over the Yuma Range. Used ammunition PGU-32 / B SAPHEI-T. This is a semi-armor-piercing high-explosive fragmentation incendiary-tracer ammunition. Upon hitting the target, a detonator is triggered with a small delay (in the nose of the PGU-32 B projectile), which then detonates the incendiary element and a small explosive charge inside its main body.

Comments

[Titsen]

A symmetrical American response to our accident-accident with the Tu-22M3?

[figwam]

Quote: Titsen

our accident-accident with the Tu-22M3?

This is an aviation accident, a disaster. People died.

[El Chuvachino]

He knows everything. This bastard is trying to pin up.

[Prisoner]

"Our" incident? Isn't it too malevolent for ours? Three of our comrades-in-arms actually died.

[Insurgent]

During the planned use of weapons over the Yuma Range in Arizona, the aircraft received significant damage as a result of the fact that "one of the fired ammunition exploded almost immediately upon departure from the barrel of an aircraft cannon." As a result of the explosion of this ammunition, the lower part of the new generation of the USMC was seriously damaged.

It is reported that the pilot was not injured, he was able to deliver the fighter to the airbase, "although it was quite difficult to do this due to damage to the fuselage."

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, I also know another "American bombers song" .....

[Briz]

If you fly from Germany to the Soviet Union, then of course to the east, and if from America, then it's kind of like to the west, it's not in vain that the Americans have a "Wild West", that's exactly what it is closest to our Far East.

[Avior]

This performance is closer to the original.

[Thrifty]

Is the OFZT low-quality, or the cannon from vibration during firing lifted the barrel into the fuselage, and "spontaneously fired" the plane? How could this even happen? Where was the cannon attached at all? If, just under the fuselage, in a suspended container, or F35, another aircraft hit, "friendly fire", so to speak.

[Cowbra]

Quote: Thrifty

Where was the cannon attached at all?

I already posted it here yesterday, a sect of witnesses of a penguin who did not screw up immediately flew in)))

Penguin with a cannon container, like the one who shot himself. The ammunition was specially developed for the JSF program, and everything developed for this program was developed through ... Hands are busy with a saw
And yes, not at the beginning of March, but on March 15th.

[Volodin]

Quote: Cowbra

And yes, not at the beginning of March, but on March 15th.

To be sure, on the night of March 11-12

[Thrifty]

Cowbra - then, they still got off easy, the projectile's flight speed after exiting the barrel was not maximum, it simply did not have time to accelerate, but this was enough for serious damage.

[bar]

Quote: Thrifty

the flight speed of the projectile after exiting the barrel was not maximum, it simply did not have time to accelerate

Too shy to ask. Is the projectile in this cannon reactive?

[Insurgent]

Quote: bar

Too shy to ask. Is the projectile in this cannon reactive?

And here are some ideas about the ballistics of an artillery projectile

They do not understand that the speed of the projectile (bullet) when fired, at the muzzle is maximum, and then it only decreases ...

[figwam]

Quote: Thrifty

the flight speed of the projectile after exiting the barrel was not maximum, it simply did not have time to accelerate

This does not happen, the maximum speed of the projectile immediately after exiting the barrel.

[Pechkin]

Anything can happen.

[figwam]

It was lucky that the F-35B had only a suspended gun, the built-in one would have fallen.

[mojohed2012]

What can I say: health to them! And good luck in accomplishing the same necessary things!
So that every cannon and rocket projectile launched from US carriers is accompanied by a burst of fireworks and honorable fragments for the glory of democracy and the USA immediately after separation from the barrel or holder!
Then there will be world peace on Earth!

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Cowbra

Hands are busy with the saw

A more technologically advanced analogue of the Svidomo Hammer?

[Vladimir_2U]

I thought the Americans once again soaked their ancient trick:

The investigation into the incident yielded amazing results - Ettridge's plane was hit by its own shells of the first stage... If the plane continued to descend at the original angle, it would fly over the trajectory of the projectiles, but Ettridge increased the descent angle and speed, the speed of the projectiles, on the contrary, decreased, and after a while the plane and the projectiles met at the same point in space.

https://yandex.ru/turbo/masterok.livejournal.com/s/2202360.html

And here is trivial!

Among the versions - low-quality ammunition, which ended up in the arsenal of the fighter.

Quote: Thrifty

Is the OFZT low-quality, or the cannon from vibration during firing lifted the barrel into the fuselage, and "spontaneously shot" the plane?

The cannon lifted the barrel? Neither the plane nor the pilot would have gotten off with a tattered nose!

[Thrifty]

Vladimir 2U - it is quite possible that precisely because the gun lifted the barrel from poor fixation and such damage was received, because the projectile flew too little, it did not have time to accelerate, but the impact force was enough to damage the skin, of course, and possibly inflict internal damage to the aircraft.

[novel66]

the shells have a cocking mechanism, and under their own aircraft it will not explode, even hitting it. only faulty ammunition (possibly from long-term storage)

[mikstepanenko]

The projectile fuse is cocked in the gun barrel and is already cocked after exiting the barrel.

[novel66]

learn materiel

[mikstepanenko]

Answer, I have not forgotten yet. The safety sleeve has a tight fit and is pushed onto the rod when overloaded from acceleration in the gun barrel. At the same time, freeing the course for the striker of the striker. I have already forgotten the terminology, do not blame me, but I remember the principle.

[novel66]

what you are describing is a protection mechanism, but EVERY aircraft munition also has a long-range cocking mechanism, which excludes the detonation of ammunition near its own aircraft. two mechanisms, specificity ...

[NDR-791]

Quote: Thrifty

because the projectile flew too little, it did not have time to accelerate

Dear, this is not even funny. The projectile is not active-reactive. Immediately after flying out of the barrel, it starts SLOWING !!!

[novel66]

not quite, there is still a small aftereffect of the powder gases, very small

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrifty

the projectile flew too little, it did not have time to accelerate

And how much should he "accelerate" after leaving the barrel? Reactive, or what?

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

but Ettridge increased the descent angle and speed, the speed of the projectiles, on the contrary, decreased, and after a while the plane and the projectiles met at the same point in space.

It is a masterpiece!!!
I recalled one incident on this occasion at our construction site:
"... Today the crane operator Petrov from the tower crane cabin, which was at a height of 30 meters, dropped down an unopened bottle of vodka. But it did not break, because below it was caught by the frightened and out of breath crane operator Petrov ..."

[Momotomba]

About "Ettridge's plane" a joke of our military flights? Or is this a real explanation ???

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Momotomba

About "Ettridge's plane" a joke of our military flights? Or is this a real explanation ???

Do not be too lazy to follow the link.

[Momotomba]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Do not be too lazy to follow the link.

Wonderful ... How they were able to fly to the moon with such a grandiose knowledge of physics ...

[Essex62]

They were never there

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Thrifty

Is the OFZT low-quality, or the cannon from vibration during firing lifted the barrel into the fuselage, and "spontaneously shot" the plane? How could this even happen?

Bending the trunk.

[novel66]

no-no-no, the plane is not Jewish

[Mikhail3]

People, what is it with you? The person asked a series of questions trying to understand the situation. And then he got five cons. For what? What's the matter? Or is it a planned bot-attack on everyone who does not come out with hysterical curses about the "American military"? This is not the site on which I once registered ...

[A1845]

Quote: Mikhail3

This is not the site on which I once registered ...

alas my friend ..
even I managed to visit a completely different site, where the discussion of trivial news turned into an interesting discussion, where people with encyclopedic knowledge wrote, and in response to a question they were ready to write a whole dissertation ..
"where are you, where are you, painted - even swear, even shout .."

[NDR-791]

Quote: A1845

even I managed to visit a completely different site, where the discussion of trivial news turned into an interesting discussion, where people with encyclopedic knowledge wrote, and in response to a question they were ready to write a whole dissertation ..

Will you give a link? You can in a personal.

[A1845]

Quote: NDR-791

Will you give a link? You can in a personal.

what is it, the address is the same - topvar.ru

[NDR-791]

Ay, well done!

[Alexey RA]

Quote: A1845

"where are you, where are you, painted - even swear, even shout .."

Barons grow old, barons grow fat ... © ABS

[A1845]

Quote: Alexey RA

The barons are getting old

on the other hand, the minusors are free, the author writes too clever things - minus him!

[Hunter 2]

One shot, minus $ 2.5 million. The prize shot, however, turned out!
I wonder who will be awarded the prize, the Pilot or the Airplane? There is also an option with technical services!

[Mouse]

it does not work, even to self-destruct ... and 2,5 lemons are garbage for them ... they will still draw themselves ...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Mouse

does not work

They can't even shoot themselves properly!

[Cowbra]

They drink a lot ...
- I would shoot myself if I were you!
- YOU would be in my place - missed!

[novel66]

Lesha in this case, the projectile manufacturer

[Hunter 2]

Roma do you invite VO users to declare their Gratitude?

[novel66]

with the entry !!!

[Uncle lee]

Quote: novel xnumx

with the entry !!

You need to wash it!
Roma

[novel66]

let them put down!
Volodya

[Uncle lee]

Quote: novel xnumx

let them put down!

Yes they are goons! We will not wait ...

[novel66]

they just don't like us

[Captain45]

Quote: novel xnumx

they just don't like us

As one popular ad said: "You just don't know how to cook them!"

[Mouse]

Quote: novel xnumx

with the entry !!!

into the chest?

[novel66]

Well, where else?

[Mouse]

do you invite VO users to declare their Gratitude?

order! with a twist on the back ....

[NDR-791]

Quote: Hunter 2

The prize shot, however, turned out!

Once on a hunt, a man accidentally shot at his own drone - it also turned out to be a valid shot for 80tyr.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: NDR-791

Once on a hunt, a man accidentally shot at his own drone - it also turned out to be a valid shot for 80tyr.

I also bought it, but ... realizing that the animals do not have any chances for survival at all, I gave it to my Son (he now hunts for neighbors )
Therefore, it is good that he himself bought - he himself killed (straight Taras Bulba ).

[NDR-791]

The apparatus was not for hunting, for filming. Good films come out when they shoot not only from the ground. True, he already took another, but the whole company liked the shot

[Hunter 2]

I also continue to use ... but only for accounting and searching for the "fight" of poaching. An excellent piece, the price is really high - more than a hundred thousand

[NDR-791]

The theme is correct. In our hunting farms, it has long been cut through. At first, distant drones are chasing the shots, looking at who and what, and then, according to the result, either one inspector, or all, or even with the police, goes. It makes the process cheaper, so to speak.

[novel66]

in essays - what I gave birth to, so I will kill

[Momotomba]

Quote: NDR-791

Once on a hunt, a man accidentally shot at his own drone - it also turned out to be a valid shot for 80tyr.

But I got

[Insurgent]

Quote: NDR-791

Once on a hunt, a man accidentally shot at his own drone - it also turned out to be a valid shot for 80tyr.

Walk like that, shoot like that shoot.
But the ducks are already flying high -
Fly so fly - I'll wave my hand .

[Free wind]

When you don't want to get in, you often get in. As a child, I killed a neighbor's goose, I just threw an electrodine, and as if in the eye. Oh, what happened next.

[NDR-791]

A goose that has moved 10 meters away from its fence is considered wild !!!
Oh, what happened next.
What happened? There should be a cauldron and a feast for the whole world ... but so that no one would guess.

[No name B]

In Belgium and Holland, these geese roam in herds right next to the roads. And in general, in Europe, you can't go into the bushes, some pheasant-partridge monster didn't jump out of there and began to run away from all its paws.

[rocket757]

It can be even worse ...
There is a lot of military equipment, this is a source of increased danger, especially dangerous, these are objective conditions.

[nnm]

And they say that modern fighters do not need guns
One shot and minus $ 2.5 million

[Momotomba]

Quote: nnm

And they say that modern fighters do not need guns
One shot and minus $ 2.5 million

If he inflicted such damage on himself, what did he turn the target into?

[Klingon]

a strange concept of using this pepelatsa ... what is it that an analogue of the A-10 decided to make from it by attaching this thing? And of course, this barrel on the bottom will make it more visible.

[novel66]

Quote: Mouse

I can't even self-destruct

simply impossible. Vasya

[TerraSandera]

But what about the rejection of cannons on airplanes in the 21st century (not counting us and the old versions of airplanes).
They will apply patches, putty, there will be "pack up, new, not a bit, not beautiful, kanfetkaaaa"

[Roma 1977]

In the 60s, both they and we have already passed: "Cannons are not needed, because there are homing missiles that hit almost beyond the horizon." Then life showed Kuzkin's mother to these futurists.

[Roma 1977]

The campaign was not without Russian hackers. A new package of sanctions is urgently needed.

[Aleksandr97]

On an aircraft worth 115,5 million - 122,4 million, hang a cannon container with dubious stealth and 220 ammunition, the rate of fire of a 4-barreled cannon is 3300 rounds per minute !?
And that for the tasks of attack, there is nothing cheaper at all ???
Well, only if you take into account the mentioned pleasure of sawing a budget ...

[Free wind]

Maybe someone knows? Suppose two fighters with a speed of Mach 2 each, moving to the next day, fired a burst from a machine gun or cannon. Projectile speed of Mach 2. The total velocity of the projectile will be Mach 6. Interestingly, the projectile will pierce the plane through? Or if a fighter hits the tank. Will there be a chance to penetrate armor if a projectile fired from an aircraft travels at a speed of 1500 meters per second, and not 800-900 meters per second as from a stationary installation.

[Alex Justice]

Planes will soon fly faster than shells.

[Roma 1977]

The speed of the projectile drops significantly after leaving the barrel. At the ground, planes fly at subsonic speeds. In addition, in order to hit a target such as a tank from a stationary cannon, you need to reduce the speed to at least 300 km / h and have time to catch the tank in the sight for a split second, so that then the handle sharply towards yourself and not crash into the ground. But that's not all. It is not enough to hit the tank - the possibility of a ricochet is very high. In addition, the core of an armor-piercing projectile can split itself upon collision with armor. But even if the tank's armor is pierced, the armor effect of small-caliber ammunition is extremely small. All these problems did not allow military pilots to sleep peacefully back in the Second World War. Therefore, an ATGM from a helicopter or an attack drone is our everything. In the event of a 30-mm round of ammunition hitting an aircraft, of course, it is easily pierced through, and this is bad. Therefore, they usually shoot high-explosive fragmentation, triggered on contact with the skin, this causes the destruction of the glider in the air, and in the best case - multiple damage by shrapnel.

[Freedim]

So it's clear who is the culprit ...
"semi-armor-piercing high-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer ammunition."
It is strange that it is not cumulative yet and with a smoke screen.
Strongly reminiscent of my grandmother's saying "crème-brulee-souffle-dragee" .. what else can you expect from such a Frankenstein.

[A1845]

Quote: FreeDIM

It is strange that it is not cumulative yet and with a smoke screen.

then detonates the incendiary element and небольшой explosive charge inside its main body

but no one is surprised that небольшой a charge that takes up a small part of 25mm ammunition toppled half the plane?

[Maxim_ok]

this is your guess about "half an airplane". in such a situation, he would definitely fall.

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

It just scratched $ 2.5 million for F35, they know how to calculate the damage.

[barik92090]

Inflatable? Can!

[barik92090]

The USE courses will not lead to that.

[Split]

Rzhevsky ... I'll go out to pee
later
Why are you a wet lieutenant?
Veters ....

[yehat2]

what kind of shells are there?
judging by the description, the gun is not less than 120mm

[Maxim_ok]

2.5 million is a small amount of damage considering the total cost of the F-35V, which now costs $ 101.3 million.

[Kushka]

And the manufacturer will pump some
assembly fitter John, who
after yesterday all the components
of this projectile in reverse order there
shoved.

[Prisoner]

The glory of the Ukrainian "Molot" does not let amers sleep.

[Victor Tsenin]

High-explosive fragmentation ammunition? All my life I thought that grapeshot / rod are used? Author, have you seen a lot of 30 + mm HE ammunition?

[barik92090]

Keep it up!

[Reserve buildbat]

The order of prices is good. Explosion of a 25mm projectile - more than 2,5 million suffocations.

[pavels52]

As far as I remember, amers always had problems with this gun ...