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F-35B fighter in the United States hit itself with its own high-explosive fragmentation ammunition

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From the United States comes confirmation of the incident that occurred with the 5th generation F-35 fighter. We are talking about the F-35B Marine Corps fighter, which, during the flight, managed to hit itself with its own ammunition.


According to the latest information, this incident occurred in early March, but information about it did not appear in the press immediately.

In the US media sphere, they write that, by performing a planned application weapons over the Yuma Range in Arizona, the aircraft received significant damage as a result of the fact that “one of the fired ammunition exploded almost immediately upon leaving the barrel aviation guns ". As a result of the rupture of this ammunition, the lower part of the new generation USMC fighter was seriously damaged.

It is reported that the pilot was not injured, he was able to deliver the fighter to the airbase, "although it was quite difficult to do this due to damage to the fuselage."

According to American sources, an assessment of the damage was carried out. According to preliminary data, the damage is more than $ 2,5 million.

The incident is confirmed by the spokesman for the Marine Corps Captain Andrew Wood. According to him, an investigation into the causes of the incident is currently underway. Among the versions - low-quality ammunition, which ended up in the arsenal of the fighter.

Captain Wood:

We qualified it as a class A incident (significant damage - at least $ 2,5 million - note "VO").

If we talk about the configuration of the F-35B, then it is capable of carrying a 22 mm GAU-9 / A Gatling (GPU-25 / A) aircraft cannon. Moreover, unlike the F-35A, the gun is located in the lower part of the hull. This cannon was reportedly used to fire over the Yuma Range. Used ammunition PGU-32 / B SAPHEI-T. This is a semi-armor-piercing high-explosive fragmentation incendiary-tracer ammunition. Upon hitting the target, a detonator is triggered with a small delay (in the nose of the PGU-32 B projectile), which then detonates the incendiary element and a small explosive charge inside its main body.
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  1. Titsen
    Titsen 25 March 2021 07: 07
    -81%
    A symmetrical American response to our accident-accident with the Tu-22M3?
    1. figwam
      figwam 25 March 2021 08: 15
      +25
      Quote: Titsen
      our accident-accident with the Tu-22M3?

      This is an aviation accident, a disaster. People died.
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 25 March 2021 09: 07
        +17
        He knows everything. This bastard is trying to pin up.
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 25 March 2021 16: 30
      +7
      "Our" incident? Isn't it too malevolent for ours? Three of our comrades-in-arms actually died.
  2. Insurgent
    Insurgent 25 March 2021 07: 10
    +5
    During the planned use of weapons over the Yuma Range in Arizona, the aircraft received significant damage as a result of the fact that "one of the fired ammunition exploded almost immediately upon departure from the barrel of an aircraft cannon." As a result of the explosion of this ammunition, the lower part of the new generation of the USMC was seriously damaged.

    It is reported that the pilot was not injured, he was able to deliver the fighter to the airbase, "although it was quite difficult to do this due to damage to the fuselage."


    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 25 March 2021 09: 20
      +5
      Well, I also know another "American bombers song" .....
      1. Briz
        Briz 25 March 2021 19: 39
        +1
        If you fly from Germany to the Soviet Union, then of course to the east, and if from America, then it's kind of like to the west, it's not in vain that the Americans have a "Wild West", that's exactly what it is closest to our Far East.
    2. Avior
      Avior 25 March 2021 10: 30
      +1
      This performance is closer to the original.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 March 2021 07: 12
    -11%
    Is the OFZT low-quality, or the cannon from vibration during firing lifted the barrel into the fuselage, and "spontaneously fired" the plane? How could this even happen? Where was the cannon attached at all? If, just under the fuselage, in a suspended container, or F35, another aircraft hit, "friendly fire", so to speak.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 25 March 2021 07: 19
      +20
      Quote: Thrifty
      Where was the cannon attached at all?

      I already posted it here yesterday, a sect of witnesses of a penguin who did not screw up immediately flew in)))

      Penguin with a cannon container, like the one who shot himself. The ammunition was specially developed for the JSF program, and everything developed for this program was developed through ... Hands are busy with a saw
      And yes, not at the beginning of March, but on March 15th.
      1. Volodin
        Volodin 25 March 2021 07: 36
        +3
        Quote: Cowbra
        And yes, not at the beginning of March, but on March 15th.

        To be sure, on the night of March 11-12
      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty 25 March 2021 07: 37
        -23%
        Cowbra - then, they still got off easy, the projectile's flight speed after exiting the barrel was not maximum, it simply did not have time to accelerate, but this was enough for serious damage.
        1. bar
          bar 25 March 2021 07: 47
          +29
          Quote: Thrifty
          the flight speed of the projectile after exiting the barrel was not maximum, it simply did not have time to accelerate

          Too shy to ask. Is the projectile in this cannon reactive?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 25 March 2021 07: 58
            +27
            Quote: bar
            Too shy to ask. Is the projectile in this cannon reactive?

            And here are some ideas about the ballistics of an artillery projectile fellow yes

            They do not understand that the speed of the projectile (bullet) when fired, at the muzzle is maximum, and then it only decreases ...
        2. figwam
          figwam 25 March 2021 08: 20
          +6
          Quote: Thrifty
          the flight speed of the projectile after exiting the barrel was not maximum, it simply did not have time to accelerate

          This does not happen, the maximum speed of the projectile immediately after exiting the barrel.
      3. Pechkin
        Pechkin 25 March 2021 07: 42
        +17
        Anything can happen.
      4. figwam
        figwam 25 March 2021 08: 26
        +4
        It was lucky that the F-35B had only a suspended gun, the built-in one would have fallen.
      5. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 25 March 2021 09: 11
        +8
        What can I say: health to them! And good luck in accomplishing the same necessary things!
        So that every cannon and rocket projectile launched from US carriers is accompanied by a burst of fireworks and honorable fragments for the glory of democracy and the USA immediately after separation from the barrel or holder!
        Then there will be world peace on Earth!
      6. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 25 March 2021 19: 35
        +2
        Quote: Cowbra
        Hands are busy with the saw

        A more technologically advanced analogue of the Svidomo Hammer? lol
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 25 March 2021 07: 20
      +7
      I thought the Americans once again soaked their ancient trick:
      The investigation into the incident yielded amazing results - Ettridge's plane was hit by its own shells of the first stage... If the plane continued to descend at the original angle, it would fly over the trajectory of the projectiles, but Ettridge increased the descent angle and speed, the speed of the projectiles, on the contrary, decreased, and after a while the plane and the projectiles met at the same point in space.

      https://yandex.ru/turbo/masterok.livejournal.com/s/2202360.html

      And here is trivial!
      Among the versions - low-quality ammunition, which ended up in the arsenal of the fighter.


      Quote: Thrifty
      Is the OFZT low-quality, or the cannon from vibration during firing lifted the barrel into the fuselage, and "spontaneously shot" the plane?
      The cannon lifted the barrel? Neither the plane nor the pilot would have gotten off with a tattered nose!
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 25 March 2021 07: 34
        -25%
        Vladimir 2U - it is quite possible that precisely because the gun lifted the barrel from poor fixation and such damage was received, because the projectile flew too little, it did not have time to accelerate, but the impact force was enough to damage the skin, of course, and possibly inflict internal damage to the aircraft.
        1. novel66
          novel66 25 March 2021 07: 52
          +9
          the shells have a cocking mechanism, and under their own aircraft it will not explode, even hitting it. only faulty ammunition (possibly from long-term storage)
          1. mikstepanenko
            mikstepanenko 25 March 2021 08: 05
            -1
            The projectile fuse is cocked in the gun barrel and is already cocked after exiting the barrel.
            1. novel66
              novel66 25 March 2021 08: 07
              +8
              learn materiel
              1. mikstepanenko
                mikstepanenko 25 March 2021 11: 13
                -1
                Answer, I have not forgotten yet. The safety sleeve has a tight fit and is pushed onto the rod when overloaded from acceleration in the gun barrel. At the same time, freeing the course for the striker of the striker. I have already forgotten the terminology, do not blame me, but I remember the principle.
                1. novel66
                  novel66 25 March 2021 11: 55
                  +4
                  what you are describing is a protection mechanism, but EVERY aircraft munition also has a long-range cocking mechanism, which excludes the detonation of ammunition near its own aircraft. two mechanisms, specificity ...
        2. NDR-791
          NDR-791 25 March 2021 07: 54
          +10
          Quote: Thrifty
          because the projectile flew too little, it did not have time to accelerate

          Dear, this is not even funny. The projectile is not active-reactive. Immediately after flying out of the barrel, it starts SLOWING !!!
          1. novel66
            novel66 25 March 2021 11: 56
            +4
            not quite, there is still a small aftereffect of the powder gases, very small lol
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 25 March 2021 09: 46
          0
          Quote: Thrifty
          the projectile flew too little, it did not have time to accelerate

          And how much should he "accelerate" after leaving the barrel? Reactive, or what?
      2. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose 25 March 2021 07: 48
        +23
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        but Ettridge increased the descent angle and speed, the speed of the projectiles, on the contrary, decreased, and after a while the plane and the projectiles met at the same point in space.

        It is a masterpiece!!! laughing laughing laughing
        I recalled one incident on this occasion at our construction site:
        "... Today the crane operator Petrov from the tower crane cabin, which was at a height of 30 meters, dropped down an unopened bottle of vodka. But it did not break, because below it was caught by the frightened and out of breath crane operator Petrov ..."
      3. Momotomba
        Momotomba 25 March 2021 08: 20
        0
        About "Ettridge's plane" a joke of our military flights? Or is this a real explanation ???
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 25 March 2021 08: 30
          0
          Quote: Momotomba
          About "Ettridge's plane" a joke of our military flights? Or is this a real explanation ???

          Do not be too lazy to follow the link.
          1. Momotomba
            Momotomba 25 March 2021 08: 41
            +6
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Do not be too lazy to follow the link.

            Wonderful ... How they were able to fly to the moon with such a grandiose knowledge of physics ...
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 26 March 2021 11: 34
              0
              They were never there lol
    3. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 25 March 2021 07: 37
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      Is the OFZT low-quality, or the cannon from vibration during firing lifted the barrel into the fuselage, and "spontaneously shot" the plane? How could this even happen?

      Bending the trunk. laughing
      1. novel66
        novel66 25 March 2021 11: 56
        +2
        no-no-no, the plane is not Jewish
    4. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 25 March 2021 08: 41
      +6
      People, what is it with you? The person asked a series of questions trying to understand the situation. And then he got five cons. For what? What's the matter? Or is it a planned bot-attack on everyone who does not come out with hysterical curses about the "American military"? This is not the site on which I once registered ...
      1. A1845
        A1845 25 March 2021 10: 59
        +8
        Quote: Mikhail3
        This is not the site on which I once registered ...

        alas my friend ..
        even I managed to visit a completely different site, where the discussion of trivial news turned into an interesting discussion, where people with encyclopedic knowledge wrote, and in response to a question they were ready to write a whole dissertation ..
        "where are you, where are you, painted - even swear, even shout .."
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 25 March 2021 11: 06
          +2
          Quote: A1845
          even I managed to visit a completely different site, where the discussion of trivial news turned into an interesting discussion, where people with encyclopedic knowledge wrote, and in response to a question they were ready to write a whole dissertation ..

          Will you give a link? You can in a personal.
          1. A1845
            A1845 25 March 2021 11: 11
            +6
            Quote: NDR-791
            Will you give a link? You can in a personal.

            what is it, the address is the same - topvar.ru
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 25 March 2021 11: 15
              +1
              Ay, well done! wassat
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 25 March 2021 12: 51
          +3
          Quote: A1845
          "where are you, where are you, painted - even swear, even shout .."

          Barons grow old, barons grow fat ... © ABS smile
          1. A1845
            A1845 25 March 2021 13: 54
            +3
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The barons are getting old

            on the other hand, the minusors are free, the author writes too clever things - minus him!
  4. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 25 March 2021 07: 18
    +13
    One shot, minus $ 2.5 million. The prize shot, however, turned out!
    I wonder who will be awarded the prize, the Pilot or the Airplane? There is also an option with technical services!
    1. Mouse
      Mouse 25 March 2021 07: 24
      +10
      it does not work, even to self-destruct ... and 2,5 lemons are garbage for them ... they will still draw themselves ...
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 25 March 2021 08: 14
        +10
        Quote: Mouse
        does not work

        They can't even shoot themselves properly! lol
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 25 March 2021 08: 38
          +3
          They drink a lot ...
          - I would shoot myself if I were you!
          - YOU would be in my place - missed!
    2. novel66
      novel66 25 March 2021 07: 54
      +8
      Lesha hi in this case, the projectile manufacturer
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 25 March 2021 07: 55
        +6
        Roma hi do you invite VO users to declare their Gratitude? repeat
        1. novel66
          novel66 25 March 2021 07: 56
          +6
          with the entry !!!
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 25 March 2021 08: 15
            +2
            Quote: novel xnumx
            with the entry !!

            You need to wash it! drinks
            Roma hi
            1. novel66
              novel66 25 March 2021 08: 17
              +5
              let them put down!
              Volodya hi
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 25 March 2021 08: 19
                +4
                Quote: novel xnumx
                let them put down!

                Yes they are goons! We will not wait ...
                1. novel66
                  novel66 25 March 2021 08: 34
                  +6
                  they just don't like us
                  1. Captain45
                    Captain45 25 March 2021 08: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: novel xnumx
                    they just don't like us

                    As one popular ad said: "You just don't know how to cook them!" laughing
          2. Mouse
            Mouse 25 March 2021 08: 16
            +7
            Quote: novel xnumx
            with the entry !!!

            into the chest?
            1. novel66
              novel66 25 March 2021 08: 17
              +5
              Well, where else? lol
        2. Mouse
          Mouse 25 March 2021 08: 16
          +7
          do you invite VO users to declare their Gratitude?

          order! with a twist on the back ....
    3. NDR-791
      NDR-791 25 March 2021 07: 57
      +5
      Quote: Hunter 2
      The prize shot, however, turned out!

      Once on a hunt, a man accidentally shot at his own drone - it also turned out to be a valid shot for 80tyr.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 25 March 2021 08: 04
        +8
        Quote: NDR-791

        Once on a hunt, a man accidentally shot at his own drone - it also turned out to be a valid shot for 80tyr.

        I also bought it, but ... realizing that the animals do not have any chances for survival at all, I gave it to my Son (he now hunts for neighbors laughing )
        Therefore, it is good that he himself bought - he himself killed (straight Taras Bulba belay ).
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 25 March 2021 08: 13
          +5
          The apparatus was not for hunting, for filming. Good films come out when they shoot not only from the ground. True, he already took another, but the whole company liked the shot drinks
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 25 March 2021 08: 19
            +4
            I also continue to use ... but only for accounting and searching for the "fight" of poaching. An excellent piece, the price is really high - more than a hundred thousand crying
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 25 March 2021 08: 22
              +6
              The theme is correct. In our hunting farms, it has long been cut through. At first, distant drones are chasing the shots, looking at who and what, and then, according to the result, either one inspector, or all, or even with the police, goes. It makes the process cheaper, so to speak.
        2. novel66
          novel66 25 March 2021 08: 18
          +8
          in essays - what I gave birth to, so I will kill lol
      2. Momotomba
        Momotomba 25 March 2021 08: 22
        +3
        Quote: NDR-791

        Once on a hunt, a man accidentally shot at his own drone - it also turned out to be a valid shot for 80tyr.

        But I got laughing
      3. Insurgent
        Insurgent 25 March 2021 08: 34
        +2
        Quote: NDR-791

        Once on a hunt, a man accidentally shot at his own drone - it also turned out to be a valid shot for 80tyr.


        Walk like that, shoot like that shoot.
        But the ducks are already flying high -
        Fly so fly - I'll wave my hand lol .
      4. Free wind
        Free wind 25 March 2021 08: 34
        +2
        When you don't want to get in, you often get in. As a child, I killed a neighbor's goose, I just threw an electrodine, and as if in the eye. Oh, what happened next. sad
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 25 March 2021 08: 45
          +4
          A goose that has moved 10 meters away from its fence is considered wild !!!
          Oh, what happened next.
          What happened? There should be a cauldron and a feast for the whole world ... but so that no one would guess. wassat drinks
          1. No name B
            No name B 27 March 2021 00: 23
            -1
            In Belgium and Holland, these geese roam in herds right next to the roads. And in general, in Europe, you can't go into the bushes, some pheasant-partridge monster didn't jump out of there and began to run away from all its paws.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 25 March 2021 07: 43
    +1
    It can be even worse ...
    There is a lot of military equipment, this is a source of increased danger, especially dangerous, these are objective conditions.
  6. nnm
    nnm 25 March 2021 07: 45
    +9
    And they say that modern fighters do not need guns wink
    One shot and minus $ 2.5 million laughing
    1. Momotomba
      Momotomba 25 March 2021 08: 24
      +3
      Quote: nnm
      And they say that modern fighters do not need guns
      One shot and minus $ 2.5 million

      If he inflicted such damage on himself, what did he turn the target into? laughing
  7. Klingon
    Klingon 25 March 2021 07: 51
    -1
    a strange concept of using this pepelatsa ... what is it that an analogue of the A-10 decided to make from it by attaching this thing? And of course, this barrel on the bottom will make it more visible.
  8. novel66
    novel66 25 March 2021 07: 54
    +1
    Quote: Mouse
    I can't even self-destruct

    simply impossible. Vasya hi
  9. TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 25 March 2021 08: 01
    +1
    But what about the rejection of cannons on airplanes in the 21st century (not counting us and the old versions of airplanes).
    They will apply patches, putty, there will be "pack up, new, not a bit, not beautiful, kanfetkaaaa"
    1. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 25 March 2021 12: 50
      +1
      In the 60s, both they and we have already passed: "Cannons are not needed, because there are homing missiles that hit almost beyond the horizon." Then life showed Kuzkin's mother to these futurists.
  10. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 25 March 2021 08: 21
    +6
    The campaign was not without Russian hackers. A new package of sanctions is urgently needed.
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  12. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 25 March 2021 09: 24
    +1
    On an aircraft worth 115,5 million - 122,4 million, hang a cannon container with dubious stealth and 220 ammunition, the rate of fire of a 4-barreled cannon is 3300 rounds per minute !?
    And that for the tasks of attack, there is nothing cheaper at all ???
    Well, only if you take into account the mentioned pleasure of sawing a budget ...
  13. Free wind
    Free wind 25 March 2021 09: 27
    +1
    Maybe someone knows? Suppose two fighters with a speed of Mach 2 each, moving to the next day, fired a burst from a machine gun or cannon. Projectile speed of Mach 2. The total velocity of the projectile will be Mach 6. Interestingly, the projectile will pierce the plane through? Or if a fighter hits the tank. Will there be a chance to penetrate armor if a projectile fired from an aircraft travels at a speed of 1500 meters per second, and not 800-900 meters per second as from a stationary installation.
    1. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 25 March 2021 11: 02
      0
      Planes will soon fly faster than shells.
    2. Roma 1977
      Roma 1977 25 March 2021 12: 46
      +1
      The speed of the projectile drops significantly after leaving the barrel. At the ground, planes fly at subsonic speeds. In addition, in order to hit a target such as a tank from a stationary cannon, you need to reduce the speed to at least 300 km / h and have time to catch the tank in the sight for a split second, so that then the handle sharply towards yourself and not crash into the ground. But that's not all. It is not enough to hit the tank - the possibility of a ricochet is very high. In addition, the core of an armor-piercing projectile can split itself upon collision with armor. But even if the tank's armor is pierced, the armor effect of small-caliber ammunition is extremely small. All these problems did not allow military pilots to sleep peacefully back in the Second World War. Therefore, an ATGM from a helicopter or an attack drone is our everything. In the event of a 30-mm round of ammunition hitting an aircraft, of course, it is easily pierced through, and this is bad. Therefore, they usually shoot high-explosive fragmentation, triggered on contact with the skin, this causes the destruction of the glider in the air, and in the best case - multiple damage by shrapnel.
  14. Freedim
    Freedim 25 March 2021 09: 36
    +4
    So it's clear who is the culprit ...
    "semi-armor-piercing high-explosive fragmentation incendiary tracer ammunition."
    It is strange that it is not cumulative yet and with a smoke screen.
    Strongly reminiscent of my grandmother's saying "crème-brulee-souffle-dragee" .. what else can you expect from such a Frankenstein.
    1. A1845
      A1845 25 March 2021 10: 49
      +1
      Quote: FreeDIM
      It is strange that it is not cumulative yet and with a smoke screen.

      then detonates the incendiary element and небольшой explosive charge inside its main body

      but no one is surprised that небольшой a charge that takes up a small part of 25mm ammunition toppled half the plane? No.
      1. Maksim_ok
        Maksim_ok 25 March 2021 13: 11
        0
        this is your guess about "half an airplane". in such a situation, he would definitely fall.
      2. Sergey Kulikov_3
        Sergey Kulikov_3 25 March 2021 15: 08
        0
        It just scratched $ 2.5 million for F35, they know how to calculate the damage.
      3. barsik92090
        barsik92090 25 March 2021 19: 26
        0
        Inflatable? Can!
    2. barsik92090
      barsik92090 25 March 2021 19: 27
      0
      The USE courses will not lead to that.
  15. Split
    Split 25 March 2021 12: 50
    -5
    Rzhevsky ... I'll go out to pee
    later
    Why are you a wet lieutenant?
    Veters ....
    laughing
  16. yehat2
    yehat2 25 March 2021 13: 01
    +1
    what kind of shells are there?
    judging by the description, the gun is not less than 120mm
  17. Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok 25 March 2021 13: 09
    +1
    2.5 million is a small amount of damage considering the total cost of the F-35V, which now costs $ 101.3 million.
  18. Kushka
    Kushka 25 March 2021 15: 59
    0
    And the manufacturer will pump some
    assembly fitter John, who
    after yesterday all the components
    of this projectile in reverse order there
    shoved.
  19. Prisoner
    Prisoner 25 March 2021 16: 35
    +1
    The glory of the Ukrainian "Molot" does not let amers sleep.
  20. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 25 March 2021 19: 02
    +1
    High-explosive fragmentation ammunition? All my life I thought that grapeshot / rod are used? Author, have you seen a lot of 30 + mm HE ammunition?
  21. barsik92090
    barsik92090 25 March 2021 19: 23
    0
    Keep it up!
  22. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 26 March 2021 08: 49
    0
    The order of prices is good. Explosion of a 25mm projectile - more than 2,5 million suffocations.
  23. pavels52
    pavels52 April 30 2021 18: 14
    0
    As far as I remember, amers always had problems with this gun ...