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Capabilities of the "early" S-300. When underestimation is fraught with consequences

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Photo: Ukrainian Armed Forces


Having carried out a cursory analysis of samples of comments to our last review “Consequences of the deployment of the S-300V1 and S-300PS near Kramatorsk. An unexpected alignment before the coming escalation ", as well as to a number of earlier materials concerning the operational-tactical and tactical-technical features of the use of early modifications of the S-300P and S-300V air defense systems in modern theaters of military operations of the XXI century, you involuntarily come to the conclusion that that a certain part of our audience (including more or less technically aware) continues to express doubts about the ability of these versions of the Three Hundreds to withstand an impressive range of high-speed small-sized aerospace attack vehicles.

Potential not to be underestimated. "Early" S-300P / V are still capable of changing the balance of power in theaters of operations


Against the background of the existence of such erroneous stereotypes in the observer circles, the question of an objective assessment of the anti-aircraft / anti-missile capabilities of our inadequate and unpredictable southwestern neighbor, supervised exclusively through the "US State Department / Defense Department - NSDC", becomes especially acute.

And, to our great regret, it has more than two dozen S-300PS / PT anti-aircraft missile battalions and S-300V1 anti-aircraft missile battalions that have survived (or restored) anti-aircraft missile battalions and S-XNUMXVXNUMX anti-aircraft missile systems, inherited from the Soviet Air Defense Forces.

So, a fairly wide circle of our regular observers continues to indulge themselves with illusions not only about the inability of the Air Forces of the "Square" "Three Hundred" to intercept 300-mm rockets of the "line" 9M55F / S / K1-7, but also about the complete incapacity to counteract such a small number of high-precision weapons (in service with the army corps of the LDNR), as OTBR 9M79-1 "Tochka-U".

Indeed, taking into account the traditionally established mediocre level of service, as well as the renewal of military equipment in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, at first glance it might seem that the electronic element base of the 30N6E illumination and guidance radars and 5N63S combat control points of the Ukrainian S-300PS complexes, as well as multichannel PFAR - missile guidance radars 9S32-1 and continuous radiation / illumination radars (included in the radar architecture of the S-300V1 air defense systems) have lost their former level of energy efficiency, as in connection with the end of the service life of certain critical modules (microwave klystrons, phase shifters, primary and secondary processing of radar information), and in view of the prolonged critical effect of oxidative processes on the metal conductive elements of the desoldering of these radio-electronic modules.

Meanwhile, even in the light of the above scenario, it would be extremely reckless to underestimate the Ukrainian "Three Hundreds".

Why?

Having enlisted the comprehensive support of specialists from the American military-industrial corporations Raytheon and Lockheed Martin (previously familiarized with the element base of both modifications of the Tryokhsotka), as well as the Zaporozhye state-owned enterprise Scientific and Production Complex Iskra (which carries out serial production of promising mobile radar detectors of the S-band 79K6 / 80K6K1 "Pelican"), the employees of the State Enterprise "VIZAR" have achieved significant success in the restoration of both the radio-electronic "stuffing" of the 9S32-1 multi-functional missile guidance stations of the S-300V1 anti-aircraft missile systems, and semi-active radar homing heads for medium-range anti-aircraft missiles 9M83.

Despite the fact that these missiles are a "close asset" of the S-300V1 military air defense systems that have re-entered combat duty near Kramatorsk and boast an interception range of about 72 km and a maximum flight speed of about 4320 km / h (against 100 km and 6480 km / h for long-range missiles 9M82, which are absent in the ammunition of the Ukrainian S-300V1), their maximum available overload of 20 units, in conjunction with a high level of sensitivity of the receiving paths of semi-active radar seeker and MSNR 9S32-1, provides the ability to intercept a wide range of targets with effective scattering surface 0,02 sq. m, maximum operating speed 3000 m / s and maneuvering with overloads 8-10 G.

Demonstration model of the 9M96 "Kaban" ballistic target missile

This list includes both 300-mm rocket missiles "55th family" for MLRS "Smerch" (their EPR and speed are equivalent to the same parameters of ballistic target missiles of the 96M6 "Kaban" type, successfully intercepted by Russian anti-aircraft missile regiments S-300V1 / 2 during the exercises of the Russian military air defense, held back in October 2010), as well as the 9M79-1 Tochka-U operational-tactical BR XNUMXMXNUMX-XNUMX "Tochka-U" with a noticeably larger radar signature.

Electrodynamic and flight technical analogs of the latter (to a certain extent) are the RM-75MV (low-altitude) and RM-75V (high-altitude) target missiles of the Armavir family, designed on the basis of the 5Ya23 anti-aircraft missiles of the famous S-75 anti-aircraft missile systems and having an EPR of about 0,1 sq. m (without the use of a Luneberg lens).

Consequently, the capabilities of the missile subunits of the LDNR army corps (several Tochka-U missile launchers and a small Smerchi battery) for promptly and effectively suppressing the Ukrainian anti-missile “barrier” over Kramatorsk will be absolutely insufficient.

That may require the use of Russian Iskander-M missile systems with much more maneuverable and inconspicuous 5-swing operational-tactical BR 9M723-1.
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  1. Hunter 2
    Hunter 2 26 March 2021 03: 40
    +45
    Another science adventure article by Evgeny Damantsev with elements of fantasy and excerpts from a brochure on the range of shells for MLRS laughing
    Now the question is ... who in their right mind would think to spend Two S300 missiles on One round from the Tornado? Ukraine got rich ... and I missed this moment belay ??
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 26 March 2021 04: 13
      +13
      Quote: Hunter 2
      Another science adventure article by Evgeny Damantsev with elements of fantasy
      Once a year, a stick shoots - have you heard such a saying? The author of the article is a pessimist in a good way, he may hope for the best, but urges to prepare for the worst, and at the same time it is quite probable. Better pessimism to the point of paranoia than optimism to the point of idiocy.

      Quote: Hunter 2
      the thought will come to spend Two S300 missiles on One round from the Tornado?
      This is without words.
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 26 March 2021 04: 20
        +1
        The author is a pseudo-science fiction writer and you are an amateur. The S-300 anti-aircraft missile system is designed to work against aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles. Where is the MLRS ??? The cost of the rockets match, wordless laughing both to intercept one missile and a salvo of MLRS
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 26 March 2021 04: 28
          +10
          Quote: Hunter 2
          cruise and ballistic missiles. Where is the MLRS?
          You are such a pro, and do not know that the Tornado is comparable to the OTRK in launch range.

          Quote: Hunter 2
          The cost of the rockets match, wordless
          But there are words for this, you have an approach like a small shopkeeper, you compare the cost of the means of attack and defense, and you also need to consider the cost of the PURPOSE of the attack.
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 26 March 2021 04: 38
            +12
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Quote: Hunter 2
            cruise and ballistic missiles. Where is the MLRS?
            You are such a pro, and do not know that the Tornado is comparable to the OTRK in launch range.

            Quote: Hunter 2
            The cost of the rockets match, wordless
            But there are words for this, you have an approach like a small shopkeeper, you compare the cost of the means of attack and defense, and you also need to consider the cost of the PURPOSE of the attack.

            At the same time, the Smerch MLRS (one complex) fires a salvo of 12 rockets at a range of 20 to 70 km (in the future, up to a hundred). Buy the C300 calculator - simultaneously fires 2 missiles at the target, how many C 300 calculations do you need to use to repel a single salvo of the Smerch MLRS? And why only the Tornado - even if they work on the Grads laughing couch fighter - War is primarily the Economy. Stop writing blatant nonsense.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 26 March 2021 05: 10
              -2
              Quote: Hunter 2
              At the same time, the MLRS Smerch (one complex) fires a salvo of 12 rockets at a range of 20 to 70 km (in the future, up to a hundred)
              In 2012, approved ... ... an extended-range rocket 9M542, ... ... The minimum range is 40 km, the maximum range is 120 km. Length 7600 mm, total weight 820 kg, warhead weight 150 kg, explosive weight 70 kg, equipped with 500 pieces of ready-made fragments weighing 50 g.
              This perspective is almost ten years old.

              Quote: Hunter 2
              Buy the C300 calculator - simultaneously fires 2 missiles at the target, how many C 300 calculations do you need to use to repel a single salvo of the Smerch MLRS?
              Undoubtedly, this is an excuse for ukrovoenam not to react at all.

              Quote: Hunter 2
              And why only the Tornado - even if they work on the Grads
              Can you still remember about Katyusha?
              Quote: Hunter 2
              couch fighter - War is primarily the Economy. Stop writing blatant nonsense.
              In your opinion, it turns out that the means of attack do not need to be shot down at all, if they are cheaper than the SAM, powerful, and if the projectile flies into the SAM itself, well, for example, you will consider which is more expensive which is cheaper? Here is the simplest thing, but there is no sculpt something about the economy.
              And according to the article: have you read this?
              (in service with the army corps of the LDNR), as OTBR 9M79-1 "Tochka-U".
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 26 March 2021 18: 26
                +5
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                In your opinion, it turns out that the means of attack do not need to be shot down at all, if they are cheaper than missiles

                He means that several intercepted volleys from MLRS and in Ukraine will run out of missiles for their air defense.
            2. Sheridan
              Sheridan 26 March 2021 08: 23
              -2
              You should brush up on volley and burst shooting.
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 26 March 2021 21: 29
                -1
                Quote: sheridans
                You should brush up on volley and burst shooting.

                In relation to which weapons system, MLRS or S-300 air defense systems?
      2. Russobel
        Russobel 26 March 2021 12: 19
        +3
        The author of the article is a pessimist in a good way, he may hope for the best, but urges to prepare for the worst, and at the same time it is quite probable.

        I agree, if you want peace, prepare for war.
        Better to overestimate than underestimate.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 26 March 2021 06: 04
      +8
      Quote: Hunter 2

      Now the question is ... who in their right mind would think to spend Two S300 missiles on One round from the Tornado? Ukraine got rich ... and I missed this moment belay ??

      Alex, welcome! hi
      Mobilization was carried out in Ukraine. The entire population aged 14-61 goes to the air defense, all movable and immovable state property is mortgaged to Rothschild, Bill Gates and Caroline Gauthier for the sake of purchasing the S-300, which will become the main one, incl. shock, anti-tank and anti-personnel weapons of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. soldier
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 26 March 2021 06: 07
        0
        Albert soldier I already had the opportunity to talk with one "mobilized" bully
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 26 March 2021 06: 11
          +8
          Che tells? Are the S-300 installed on the tape? Will they be hitting the advancing infantry?
          1. Hunter 2
            Hunter 2 26 March 2021 06: 17
            +4
            Yeah, until they just decided what kind of tape will be - cloth (as in the maxim) or all the same metal (21st century all the same) laughing but in general, it is possible that the missiles will be packed into the store (30 in a regular and 75 in a drum) what
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 26 March 2021 07: 08
              +6
              28. So that there is no excess pressure on the spring ..
    3. Ros 56
      Ros 56 26 March 2021 07: 46
      +2
      Now the question is ... who in their right mind would have an idea to spend Two S300 missiles on One round from the Tornado?

      It is not necessary to apply the approaches of normal people to the matter, in relation to when it comes to banderlog with their perverted logic and consciousness. No one can ever know what kind of whim will come to their heads at this moment. lol
    4. Spambox
      Spambox 26 March 2021 08: 51
      +10
      Oh, how many times, according to Domantsev, Ukraine has already attacked the LDNR, Russia with sewing javelins and the C300, and meanwhile spring has come, the brilliant green will soon appear, so they lived for another year
    5. NEOZ
      NEOZ 26 March 2021 12: 32
      +3
      Quote: Hunter 2
      who in their right mind would think to spend Two S300 missiles on One round from the Tornado? Ukraine got rich ... and I missed this moment ???

      a shell is flying at the General Staff of the Armed Forces, there is something to shoot down, but we will not shoot it down, because it is expensive ...
      from this logic, no need to wear a bulletproof vest! the cost of a bulletproof vest is simply enormous against the background of the cost of bullets fired into it !!!!!!!!!
      1. Hunter 2
        Hunter 2 26 March 2021 12: 49
        +6
        Quote: NEOZ
        Quote: Hunter 2
        who in their right mind would think to spend Two S300 missiles on One round from the Tornado? Ukraine got rich ... and I missed this moment ???

        a shell is flying at the General Staff of the Armed Forces, there is something to shoot down, but we will not shoot it down, because it is expensive ...
        from this logic, no need to wear a bulletproof vest! the cost of a bulletproof vest is simply enormous against the background of the cost of bullets fired into it !!!!!!!!!

        Yes, good health, let them shoot down at least something laughing How many missiles are there for the S 300 in Ukraine? They are produced in Russia. Or do you suppose we will sell them to non-brothers ??? They want to shoot down MLRS rockets at Damantsev - and Excellent! They will finish the S 300 ammunition faster and ... will be left without air defense good
        There are other complexes designed to work with MLRS rocket projectiles, and you are the only one that clung to the C300 with the help of "fantasy". Not for that they transferred them to Donbass, Absolutely!
    6. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 26 March 2021 12: 53
      +4
      You missed the moment when all the missiles for the "S - 300" were rotten))) the last delivery was either in 2002 or 2003. Even the newest ones are now 17 years old, the tightness of the TPK, the state of the expelling charge and the rocket fuel itself, cause very steel doubts. The old ones are 20 or more. At the place of calculations of the air defense system, I would run away before pressing the "Start" button)))
    7. Yuriy Filatov
      Yuriy Filatov 31 March 2021 18: 58
      +1
      no matter how much the goal is. It is important how much the protected object costs.
      In the same Syria, Russia shoots shell rockets (~ $ 50k per rocket) at 88mm mines and at drones from blue electrical tape and a motor from Aliexpress, with a total cost of $ 300 and one grenade under the belly
      So it may and does make sense for Ukraine to intercept one salvo of the Tornado. And the fact that they have no missiles - so they will soon die themselves, the missiles lie without repair and maintenance, their fuel will soon decompose and they will start to explode at the start
    8. lelyk72
      lelyk72 20 May 2021 11: 54
      0
      I don't really understand FROM WHOM a tornado shell can fly to Ukraine.
      Russia is not going to attack, Ukraine is not going to attack Russia, I think the same ...
      From whom?
  2. KCA
    KCA 26 March 2021 03: 54
    +9
    Based on the content of precious metals in the "critical modules", and, of course, the higher the power of, say, the oscillator lamp, the greater the content of precious metals, I can say with almost 100% certainty that at least there are none of them in the spare parts, and, perhaps, And on the radars themselves, it's not a sin to pick out the entire boards from the racks, there, on the planar MSH, there is also gold per kilogram in each rack. Even the most stupid ragul will be able to read the section "Precious metals content" in the passport to the radio tube, figure out what's what, and buyers from among the tribesmen of Pan Avakov (no nationalism, it's just one of their favorite businesses) will definitely be found next to the military unit
    1. farm2009
      farm2009 26 March 2021 14: 31
      0
      That is, the weight of the calculation is that everything is plundered? Did I understand correctly that you want to put our lives on the line with this in mind? You cannot be so reckless about all this, this is a war, they kill on it.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 26 March 2021 05: 13
    +5
    Eugene, with proper funding, and a competent technical approach, and the Tsar Cannon will be able to shoot down drones, for example. So, the main thing is that, as one person said in one film, "let's drink to our desires to coincide with our capabilities" !!! hi hi
  4. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 26 March 2021 05: 14
    +14
    The S-300 anti-aircraft missile system is designed to work against aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles. Where is the MLRS ???

    Well, as a matter of fact, formally missiles from both the Tornado and the City are also ballistic.
    And the situation when the expensive and scarce rakpta of the Three Hundreds will begin to meet the Tornado's missiles is possible only if this Tornado hits the same Three Hundred, and then purely theoretically. For here it is no longer important which of the missiles is more expensive, here it is necessary to prevent damage, which will obviously be greater.
  5. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 26 March 2021 05: 57
    +13
    Analyzing selected comments to our, Eugene II, the last work "Strategic deployment in the trenches of Donbass RT-2PM" Topol "- a mobile ground-based strategic missile system with a three-stage solid-propellant intercontinental ballistic missile 15Ж58, a surprise to the Right Sector before the upcoming Eurovision Song Contest, as well as articles with forecasts of the effectiveness of the use of the S-200 air defense system of modifications 5S25 or 5S28 against the UAV AN-2 and Bayraktar in Nagon Karabakh, concerning operational-tactical and performance characteristics of biochemical blood tests to identify hallucinogenic substances in the blood of TNT channel viewers and the peculiarities of using early modifications of prohibited drugs of the family acid in modern NP RF, you involuntarily come to the conclusion about the technical backwardness of part of the audience of House 2, including the leading ones. They continue to doubt the effectiveness of the use of means of the Strategic Missile Forces of Russia at a pistol-shot distance against the Humvee donated to Bandera by some US president.
  6. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 26 March 2021 07: 15
    +5
    Damantsev, it seems, was poured into a hat of hryvnia, for advertising ... well, well ... a crooked track then
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 26 March 2021 09: 09
      +7
      The topics are over, I decided to squeeze out of one two articles
    2. nov_tech.vrn
      nov_tech.vrn 26 March 2021 09: 12
      +8
      Yes, where does the hryvnia. Even from the first half of the article, after the digits went into business, the ears of the author of the article stuck out, a set of reference data, interspersed with verbal balancing act.
      The simplest option, in which a salvo of MLRS at the location of air defense batteries either reaches the target, or, in the theoretical assumption that all missiles will be intercepted, will lead to the fact that a repeated salvo will destroy the discharged launchers, is simply not considered.
      1. Borisych
        Borisych 26 March 2021 09: 31
        +2
        The storage period for solid-propellant missiles in / in Ukraine has expired. Curtain.
  7. Runway
    Runway 26 March 2021 10: 19
    +3
    Section of the site "Analytics" ....
  8. Bauer
    Bauer 26 March 2021 10: 33
    0
    rockets for the S300 were produced in the USSR, they are already largely unusable.
  9. Professor
    Professor 26 March 2021 10: 39
    -1
    Having enlisted the comprehensive support of specialists from the American military-industrial corporations Raytheon and Lockheed Martin (previously familiarized with the element base of both modifications of the Tryokhsotka), as well as the Zaporozhye state-owned enterprise Scientific and Production Complex Iskra (which carries out serial production of promising mobile radar detectors of the S-band 79K6 / 80K6K1 "Pelican"), the employees of the State Enterprise "VIZAR" have achieved significant success in the restoration of both the radio-electronic "stuffing" of the 9S32-1 multi-functional missile guidance stations of the S-300V1 anti-aircraft missile systems, and semi-active radar homing heads for medium-range anti-aircraft missiles 9M83.

    In fact, if the LDNPSNNR operators carry out training on 9F88 (simulator MNR 9S32 ZRS 9K81), then the multichannel missile guidance station 9K81 9S32 cannot be replaced by a multichannel guidance station for missiles 9K81-1 9S32-1 which cannot be said about the multichannel guidance station for air defense missiles 9K81M 9S32M in contrast to the multi-channel missile guidance station S-300VMK 9S32MK. The situation is completely different with the 9S457MK (command post of the S-300VMK air defense missile system), which is interfaced with the S-300PM-2 (Volkhov-M6M2) 35R6M2 anti-aircraft missile system. 48SH6 solves all these problems. It's elementary.
    hi
    1. Military77
      Military77 26 March 2021 20: 15
      +4
      After reading the commentary, blood began to flow from my eyes.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 26 March 2021 20: 50
      0
      Professor, you're not in the audience! It was possible to "send" and easier! And then the people who are worn out with deciphering your "abbreviations" may not understand you! And this may already be fraught!
      1. Professor
        Professor 26 March 2021 21: 00
        +1
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Professor, you're not in the audience! It was possible to "send" and easier! And then the people who are worn out with deciphering your "abbreviations" may not understand you! And this may already be fraught!

        ... and, remarkably, all acronyms are real and relevant. wink
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 26 March 2021 22: 16
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          all abbreviations are real and relevant

          Shaw you say? !!! Honestly, I didn’t read it and didn’t check it! And now you have to! recourse
          1. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 26 March 2021 22: 37
            +2
            PS
            Quote: Professor
            all abbreviations are real and relevant

            It only seems to me that if they are real, then not all of them belong to the S-300PS ...
            1. Professor
              Professor 27 March 2021 08: 07
              -1
              Quote: Nikolaevich I
              PS
              Quote: Professor
              all abbreviations are real and relevant

              It only seems to me that if they are real, then not all of them belong to the S-300PS ...

              You offend. All on the topic. wink
              9F88 - simulator MSNR 9S32 ZRS 9K81
              9S32M - multi-channel missile guidance station 9K81M air defense missile system
              9S32MK - multi-channel missile guidance station S-300VMK
              83M6M2 - command post air defense system 35R6M2
              48SH6 - mobile repair base PRB-300 of the S-300PS, 35R6 systems
              35R6M2 - S-300PM-2 anti-aircraft missile system ("Volkhov-M6M2")
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I 27 March 2021 10: 31
                +1
                Looked at the list of "indices of rocket and space technology" ... to fig and more! Of course, there will be fewer "anti-aircraft missile" indexes ... but still! I sometimes read the descriptions, performance characteristics of the air defense missile system, but I never tried to remember the "indices" ... (why? I will soon forget ... I needed an index, I found an article, I found an index!) For me, at least, it was enough to know the composition, Performance characteristics of complexes, missiles ... I think that the "agramad" number of VO readers did not remember what the indexes listed by you meant, that is why I "regretted" these readers ... You, Professor, well done ... straight. a real professor! Find your way in so many letters and numbers! I can't do that ... sclerosis! request
                1. Professor
                  Professor 27 March 2021 10: 43
                  -3
                  Quote: Nikolaevich I
                  Looked at the list of "indices of rocket and space technology" ... to fig and more! Of course, there will be fewer "anti-aircraft missile" indexes ... but still! I sometimes read the descriptions, performance characteristics of the air defense missile system, but I never tried to remember the "indices" ... (why? I will soon forget ... I needed an index, I found an article, I found an index!) For me, at least, it was enough to know the composition, Performance characteristics of complexes, missiles ... I think that the "agramad" number of VO readers did not remember what the indexes listed by you meant, that is why I "regretted" these readers ... You, Professor, well done ... straight. a real professor! Find your way in so many letters and numbers! I can't do that ... sclerosis! request

                  Yes, I have something to do with it? This is the author washed down with the abbreviation of the article, covering up his fantasies.

                  PS
                  https://forum.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/index.php/topic,12754.0.html
                  1. Nikolaevich I
                    Nikolaevich I 27 March 2021 11: 07
                    +1
                    Agreed! Let the "third" be the last one! wink yes
    3. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 29 March 2021 14: 06
      0
      And what does the repair shop decide, albeit a mobile one? I had a chance to participate in the development of some of its components at one time. This is humor, apparently. There is nothing special to detect tornado shells in air defense, and there is no such task.
  10. Military77
    Military77 26 March 2021 10: 57
    +5
    It seems to me alone that Yevgeny Damantsev's articles look more like court rulings (sentences, decisions) than articles?
  11. xorek
    xorek 26 March 2021 11: 13
    -5
    And I liked the article! Write more to Eugene .. Then there are many people who are "all-out-of-the-way" .. hi good
    1. vl903
      vl903 26 March 2021 12: 52
      -4
      Yes, what is there, we will throw our hats !!! forward Vanya, women are still giving birth! and vabsche they are white and fluffy, they will not and will not shoot at us! (this is the essence of some comments and minusers. The Professor and Krasnodar will especially surprise. Although they seem to be smart people. Even if they do not agree on technical issues. They are unlikely to be on the side of the Banderlog?)
  12. svoit
    svoit 26 March 2021 12: 46
    +1
    Quote: Hunter 2
    War is primarily an Economy. Stop writing blatant nonsense.

    Here is a little different, the APU does not initially know what type of missiles will be used, UR or NUR, so you will have to shoot down everything, because when using UR, the damage will much overlap the cost of the S-300 along with all missiles
    1. vl903
      vl903 26 March 2021 13: 22
      -1
      war is an economy, the question is how to count? if you brew a war, then the longer the banderlog hold out, the more bonuses and buns both the banderlog and the owners. if you start saving C300, then everyone will lose. therefore, it will be economically profitable for them to spend what they inherited from the USSR and, in theory, belongs to Russia (this is both technology and, in general, a human resource) that would either cause damage to everyone who is not under America, or just that Russia would not get it.
  13. Stepan S
    Stepan S 26 March 2021 13: 49
    +4
    My brother served in Sevastopol, in the air defense forces of Ukraine. I know from the first hand that back in 2014, the S-300 complexes, which are in service with the air defense of Ukraine, were in a technically unsuitable state for their successful use. All the air defense systems that we inherited in the Crimea were decommissioned for uselessness. Well, the missiles for these complexes, they had already developed a guaranteed resource even then. So the author's theory remains a theory. You can bring everything that is available to the border, but whether there will be any sense from this, time will tell.
    1. vl903
      vl903 26 March 2021 14: 03
      0
      so the author writes that the main condition is technical assistance from the United States. how much they helped the Generator plant and others. if they can restore the C300 and the missile to a working condition, then this must be taken into account. AK47 (AKM) is also called obsolete, but everyone reckons with it.
      1. vl903
        vl903 26 March 2021 14: 05
        -1
        and about the guaranteed resources of missiles, you tell the Malaysian Boeing.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 26 March 2021 21: 47
          +1
          Quote: vl903
          and about the guaranteed resources of missiles, you tell the Malaysian Boeing.

          So, according to legend, the Buk air defense missile system was shot down, besides, it was in 2014, and then the missiles were still fresh ...
  14. Novichek)
    Novichek) 26 March 2021 15: 29
    0
    And I think the author has embarked on "the path of correction" - the article has finally become readable
  15. Maks1995
    Maks1995 26 March 2021 16: 57
    +1
    Something in Syria C300 did not show itself in any way ...
    They intercept targets under the article, but for some reason there are no Jews ...

    "Brick can't fight back"?
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 26 March 2021 21: 50
      0
      Quote: Max1995
      Something in Syria C300 did not show itself in any way ...
      They intercept targets under the article, but for some reason there are no Jews ...

      And we have a war with Israeli Jews or what?
      Of course they are evil, tk. do not want to give the working people the SAR of the Golan, but what does the interception of the S-300 of the RF Armed Forces of Israeli warplanes have to do with it?
      1. Maks1995
        Maks1995 29 March 2021 12: 57
        -3
        And where does the C300 RF have to do with it? The RF S400, they wrote, are.

        And C 300 - from the enemies of Israel ...
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 29 March 2021 13: 18
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          Quote: Max1995
          And where does the C300 RF have to do with it? The RF S400, they wrote, are.
          And C 300 - from the enemies of Israel ...

          In Tartus, the military S-300V is ...
          You write more specifically about which S-300 air defense system you are talking about ...
          1. Maks1995
            Maks1995 29 March 2021 15: 34
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            Well, what to write about our С300, we have a friendship.
            And they have a war with the Syrians. Official, from some ancient year there ...
  16. Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 26 March 2021 22: 11
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    but also about the complete incapacity to counter such a small number of precision weapons (in service with the army corps of the LDNR), as OTBR 9M79-1 "Tochka-U".

    But where does the LDNR OTRK "Tochka U" come from? All such complexes until 2014 and are now assembled at the Armed Forces of Ukraine in one single missile brigade - the 19th (12 PU), the PU OTRK "Tochka U" were never captured by the militia, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine did not rush .....
    1. Black lotos
      Black lotos 27 March 2021 00: 13
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      Quote: Lara Croft
      PU OTRK "Tochka U" was never captured by the militia, and the APU did not rush ...

      Well, everyone understands from which "mines" everything is being dug out. In addition, the information background - there is everything.
      From their mines even Pantsiri rolled around Donetsk and modern electronic warfare stations.
      Apparently we were passing through "from vacation".
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 27 March 2021 00: 28
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        Quote: Black Lotos
        Well, everyone understands from which "mines" everything is being dug out.

        Don't write for everyone ...
        From their mines even Pantsiri rolled around Donetsk and modern electronic warfare stations.

        Yes! Isn't the "Star Destroyer" at the Donetsk airport on takeoff?
  17. huntsman650
    huntsman650 27 March 2021 11: 04
    +1
    PRSami all this business is destroyed with a bang, old stuff))). In the Navy, we still have SAMs from the 80s and 90s on the old air defense systems. So we didn't go far)))
  18. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 27 March 2021 12: 15
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    The main thing is that these complexes are not underestimated by the RF Ministry of Defense. Normal complex ... for the late 80s. Nowadays, this is already a very outdated weapon, taking into account the fact that we know everything about it, including the ability to counter EW and CD. And he laughed about intercepting the MLRS, this is basically not realistic, and most importantly it is stupid, the missiles will run out, but there will be no sense.
  19. Igor Matyunin
    Igor Matyunin 27 March 2021 23: 35
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    The Ukrainians do not have enough anti-aircraft missiles to intercept MLRS missiles.
  20. Fisherman
    Fisherman 28 March 2021 09: 29
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    Everyone was thrown to defend the headquarters in Kramatorsk. The rest of the military units of the Armed Forces - into a meat grinder.
  21. Denis Kozlov
    Denis Kozlov 28 March 2021 11: 04
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    The S-300 does not know how to shoot down hypersonic missiles, moreover, the designers provide for the option that the installation may be captured by the enemy, or be in the wrong hands. The system will not allow you to shoot at your friends, if you ask, is it possible to reflash? the answer is no, it is not possible, this is not the same as hacking phones and computers.
  22. Old shoe
    Old shoe 28 March 2021 18: 10
    +2
    S300 on MLRS ... Then this option suggests itself: three - four salvoes of "Tornado" and the sky is open for aviation in connection with the exhaustion of ammunition from the S300 winked
    1. militarist63
      militarist63 29 March 2021 04: 22
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      I think fewer volleys will be required! laughing
  23. militarist63
    militarist63 29 March 2021 04: 21
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    Everything is so ... like it is highly intellectually painted, and at the exit there is some kind of nonsense negative ... It is quite normal to shoot down points-U. But here, sorry, scratching something here about counteracting the batteries of the MLRS "Smerch", even small ones ... THIS IS A FULL LABUD! wassat Actually, the MLRS "Smerch" of only one BM provides for 38 seconds the descent of 12 missiles .... and in "small batteries" how many BMs ??! wink ...
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  25. Azimuth
    Azimuth April 16 2021 05: 44
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    That may require the use of Russian Iskander-M missile systems with much more maneuverable and inconspicuous 5-swing operational-tactical BR 9M723-1.
    We do not know everything that the Americans have already delivered or will deliver to Ukraine. The fact for today is that the first truly combat debut of the OTRK Iskander-M is unsuccessful. Before that, there were shooting in conditions close to shooting at the range, we are talking about the use in Syria against the barmalei of lacking air defense systems. And the very first use against a country with a little bit of modern air defense and in real hostilities and the Iskander-M missile was shot down near Baku by an Israeli air defense system.
    This experience has been analyzed and taken into account by the enemy, and in Ukraine at any moment there may be a similar air defense system. So, I think it's not worth relying on some wunderwavli. A war should be a war and waged like a war, in this case we will have superiority, but under other scenarios - not a fact.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik April 17 2021 09: 30
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      Quote: Azimuth
      in real hostilities and the Iskander-M missile was shot down near Baku by an Israeli air defense system.

      I don't believe in that. I watched photos of the destruction, they are too small for Iskander. And Barack shouldn't knock him down. There is a conspiracy theory that it was an S-300 missile, they tried to shoot down a civilian plane at maximum ranges.
  26. Vlad lee
    Vlad lee 1 May 2021 20: 33
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    Once the ATO headquarters and the airfield were fired upon from the Grada-Tornado. There is even a video. There are no dots in the cases.
    And the main danger is cunning ass.