Three fellow conscripts who shot at the Voronezh airfield were sent for compulsory treatment

The conscript soldier Anton Makarov, who shot three colleagues in November last year at the Baltimore military airfield in Voronezh, was sent for compulsory treatment. It is reported in its Telegram channel Baza edition.

According to the newspaper, at the moment experts are not ready to answer the question of whether Makarov deliberately committed the triple murder. Therefore, it was decided to send him for compulsory treatment, after which a psychiatric examination will follow.

Makarov is charged under two articles at once: under clause "a" of Part 2 of Article 105 ("Murder of two or more persons") and Part 4 of Article 226 ("Theft weapons") Of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. The detainee himself refuses to testify.

Recall that on November 9, at the Baltimore airfield in Voronezh, at about 5 am Private Makarov, hacked the officer on duty who reprimanded him with an ax (taken from the fire shield), took possession of his service weapon and shot two people and wounded another, after which he disappeared in an unknown direction. A plan "Interception" was announced in the city, officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, Rosgvardia and SOBR were engaged in the search for the serviceman. Later Makarov was detained in the area of ​​the village of Zemlyansk, he did not show any resistance. As it turned out, he was heading to his relatives in the Oryol region.

According to the press service of the Western Military District, Makarov's nervous breakdown could have been the preliminary cause of the incident with the shooting of three colleagues.

Comments

[Well done]

More questions to the draft board.

[Trapp1st]

More questions to the draft board.

[Well done]

This is from the series "it would be so funny if it weren't so sad." "Spirit" was given a submachine gun, a completely green soldier ... Who is to blame? It's not for us to judge.

[210ox]

Yah? In the 84th year, one horse-radish grabbed the machine gun, which was less than six months before demobilization. They twisted this deer, otherwise he would have put down the guard. Didn't want to take up the post

[Kaman]

And what happened to him next?

[210ox]

He was lucky and was sent to serve in the construction battalion.

[Kaman]

Well, I probably got it in my beard after being arrested - mom don't cry

[210ox]

Naturally. And they sent them to his fellow countrymen whom he smirked on his lip. Karakalpak by nationality.

[Arhats]

What kind of automaton are we talking about?

[Captain45]

Quote: Welldone

"Spirit" was given a submachine gun, a completely green soldier ... Who is to blame? It is not for us to judge.

Have you read the article? In Russian in white, the article says:
On November 9, at the Baltimore airfield in Voronezh, at about 5 o'clock in the morning, a private Makarov, hacked to death with an ax (taken from a fire shield) the officer on duty who reprimanded him, took possession of his service weapon and shot two people and wounded another,(C)
Just what to write, commentators

[Well done]

Horseradish is not sweeter than radish.

[Galleon]

at the moment, experts are not ready to answer the question of whether Makarov deliberately committed a triple murder

Here, a more question for the experts arises: Guys, do you really understand this? Maybe someone else to call?

[Lech from Android.]

Anyone is to blame, but not the one who shot people ... I'm just amazed at what happens to such mass murderers. Shamsutdinov for 8 corpses for 25 years, 3 corpses for a year in prison ... Now this is for treatment for three corpses ... I don't understand what is happening with our justice. The murder of a person now becomes in line with an ordinary hooligan.
Our justice sinks deeper and deeper into a swamp of impunity
anosti for killers.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Anyone is to blame, but not the one who shot people ..

A person could be mocked so much that he could no longer act differently. I say this as possible. and not specifically on this occasion. None of us knows anything about a particular one. But, you must admit, just like that, because there is nothing to do, no one will go for murder. There was a reason.

[Lech from Android.]

I don't give a damn about his reasons ... No one killed him ... Let's justify the murderers, what suffering they are, innocent lambs, offended at the sidelong glance and decided to take people's lives at their own whim. This is how any murder can be justified.

[Graz]

you are wrong from the word at all, Circumstances matter

[Lech from Android.]

It matters when you protect your life, the life of your family and friends. And when you excuse me, you shoot meanly in the back of your colleague, you are just a scoundrel and a scoundrel. No circumstance matters after that.

[El Chuvachino]

You just don't understand how the psyche works, and how it can work for some people. Nobody here justifies murderers, but they don't just become murderers out of the blue. As the saying goes, there is no smoke without fire. In order to avoid repetitions of such cases, one should take measures and understand, firstly, what led to such a tragedy and, secondly, who overlooked / allowed such unbalanced people.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Quote: El Chuvachino

but they don't just become killers out of the blue.

You know, literally yesterday I read an article in the news from neighboring Novosibirsk where a thuggish stepfather beat a six-year-old boy to death with a hose. He hit him on the stomach on purpose until he beat off all the internal organs. Then he calmly went to stuff his entrails, as if nothing had happened. So why am I ... there are people for whom to kill a person is like slapping a cockroach.

[El Chuvachino]

There is, of course there is. And there are reasons for this behavior too. Not in an exculpatory sense. The same thing as with khivoderstvo, which a normal person would not even think about doing.

[Roman070280]

And when I'm sorry you shoot meanly in the back of your colleague

Can you read?
For whom did the person above write ??

just like that, out of nothing to do, no one will go to murder. There was a reason.

Just like that, because there is nothing to do, no one will shoot a colleague in the back !! Most likely, this "colleague" is a scoundrel and a scoundrel ..

[Lech from Android.]

According to the circumstances, you will also sell your homeland. According to the circumstances, any meanness can be justified.

[Magog_]

justify any meanness

Slavishness (from the Old Slavic - "near [below, near, near]") is a negative moral and spiritual quality of a person, which includes such character traits and behavioral acts as servility, dishonesty, insincerity, servility, which contradict the true attitude of the characterized personality to the person towards whom these behavioral acts are directed. And what can you see here from the definition of "meanness"? Subservience and servility, dishonesty? No, he took it and directly, honestly and sincerely killed the offenders ... And what other motive does the kid have? It doesn't look like a drug addict - like he's got a smoke. The scoundrels are just those whom he sewed on. The scoundrel will calculate everything in advance, he will do his job, being sure that he will not receive anything in return or everything will remain a secret. There are several of them - for one! I have always said that "there is no defense against meanness." But there is retribution. Only over the years I realized that no one would punish the Almighty better! And this one is very young - did not have time to understand ...

[Roman070280]

You will also sell your homeland due to circumstances

Nobody buys our planet yet ..))

[fruc]

at about 5 o'clock in the morning, Private Makarov, hacked to death with an ax (taken from the fire shield) the officer on duty who made a remark to him, took possession of his service weapon and shot two people and wounded another

Regarding the compulsory treatment of this margenal: - The humpbacked grave will fix it.

[Revolver]

Quote: Lech from Android.

I don't give a damn about his reasons ... No one killed him ...

Do you remember that name Artur Sakalauskas? He was also not killed, but only lowered by a group. If he had not responded, he would have been a rooster until the end of the urgent. Would you tolerate this?

[Prisoner]

There are problems stomp to the prosecutor's office. Why the people to blame?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Captive

There are problems stomp to the prosecutor's office. Why the people to blame?

Did you serve as an emergency? Could you easily get to the prosecutor's office like that? If the guy is from the village and doesn't even know what it is, and if he does, then if he trusts. In a word, there are a lot of reasons why he did not take your smart advice.
These are just assumptions. And we do not know the specifics. One thing is indisputable - the chiriy does not sit down for nothing. I do not believe in the accident of the incident. B - just shot and that's it.

[Prisoner]

I had no reason, nor did my subordinates. True, it was a long time ago. But today, when getting in touch, my young comrades howl about the fact that the soldiers are completely morose. A little bit of a complaint and analysis.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Captive

A little bit of a complaint and analysis.

If everything is according to the charter, then do not care about all the complaints. Well, if, in addition to the charter, then of course - you can "howl".

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Captive

There are problems stomp to the prosecutor's office. Why the people to blame?

And how do the prosecutors differ? Paid for everything. Well, they called the prosecutor's office, someone will simply have to pay extra and that's it.

[ccsr]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

A person could be mocked so much that he could no longer act differently. I say this as possible. and not specifically on this occasion.

That is why I am a supporter of permanently ending the conscription of conscripts into the army, otherwise we will have such incidents on a regular basis, with different numbers of corpses.
Only motivated young people should be recruited into the army, and even then they must first be trained in educational structures for at least 4-6 months, and only then, having understood what kind of person they are, they should be sent to the troops. I am sure that in this case we will avoid most of the grave crimes against fellow servicemen, which are largely due to the fact that conscription into the army is a burden for some.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: ccsr

That is why I am a supporter of forever ending the conscription of conscripts into the army,

Look back, look at the history of the ancient Greeks, ancient Rome. What were they like when all citizens served and when only mercenaries served?

[Iris]

And why immediately - "mercenaries"? A mercenary is a professional soldier who doesn't care who to serve. The mercenary was not paid - he, roughly speaking, "went home."
We are talking about contract soldiers, citizens of the Russian Federation, who have both an oath and motivation, not only monetary. Right now in Syria - do we have mercenaries?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Iris

We are talking about contract soldiers, citizens of the Russian Federation, who have both an oath and motivation, not only monetary.

And contract soldiers, strictly speaking, are mercenaries, and from the fact that they are motivated by mercenaries, they have not ceased to be. Of course, there must be professional military personnel, but they must be warrant officers. The army should be popular, that is, by conscription, and nothing else.

[ccsr]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Look back, look at the history of the ancient Greeks, ancient Rome. What were they like when all citizens served and when only mercenaries served?

Are you out of your mind if you give an example from Ancient Greece, when now the whole world can be destroyed in less than an hour? In general, only professionals should be allowed to such weapons, and even constantly conduct a medical examination of all who serve in the army.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: ccsr

Are you out of your mind if you give an example from Ancient Greece

One who does not know the past cannot foresee the future. An army is only truly strong when it is a people's army.

Quote: ccsr

In general, only professionals should be allowed to such weapons, and even constantly conduct a medical examination of all who serve in the army.

What kind of weapons? For a year, a soldier is normally trained in his military specialty, if, of course, he studied normally at school. Another thing is that the quality of school education has fallen sharply. And you need to serve conscripts for 2-3 years. And honey. survey, "fathers-commanders" must know how each soldier lives and breathes.

[ccsr]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

An army is only truly strong when it is a people's army.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And you need to serve conscripts for 2-3 years.

As I understand it, you are too far from our people, and you have no idea how they live now. And then you wonder why there are so many corpses at the next massacre in the guard or barracks.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: ccsr

As I understand it, you are too far from our people, and you have no idea how they live now.

How is it? And why is it, let me be curious, did you make such conclusions?

Quote: ccsr

And then you wonder why there are so many corpses at the next massacre in the guard or barracks.

Something under the USSR the number of such incidents tended to zero, and the army consisted of conscripts, not mercenaries.

[ccsr]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

How is it? And why is it, let me be curious, did you make such conclusions?

Because a modern person does not want to serve in a modern army for 2-3 years and will in every possible way avoid it or try to evade the draft.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Something under the USSR the number of such incidents tended to zero,

There was no such thing in the days of the USSR, and then such cases occurred regularly, only there was no Internet and these cases were not advertised.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

and the army consisted of conscripts, not mercenaries.

As it turned out, unfortunately, this did not save the country from collapse. But now we do not have the USSR, which is why we need a different approach to those who want to serve in the army.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: ccsr

But now we do not have the USSR, which is why we need a different approach to those who want to serve in the army.

And the army will be like everywhere else - mercenaries ready to do anything for money.

[Iris]

Unlike real mercenaries, a contract soldier has an oath - it will not allow a soldier to "do whatever".
It is difficult to cite as an argument that there is no officially recognized evidence, but you have probably heard about the actions of the notorious "Wagnerites" in Syria, I mean the famous episode with a Syrian captive? At the level of rumors, this is, in principle, impossible to imagine in the regular Russian army.
Returning to the topic - of course, doctors, who slap "suitability" for anyone, if only two arms and two legs, and commanders, whose situation in the soldiers' collective is in last place in their interests, make their "contribution" to the statistics of tragic incidents. But the main reason is one - people with a fragile psyche, yesterday's adolescents, are placed in conditions of constant coexistence and performing tasks that are alien to them. Which of them is the army in general, what kind of combat capability does it have?
In today's conditions of high-tech warfare, a combat-ready army consists of contract specialists with higher and secondary specialized education.
But we have construction battalions and railway troops! Then they will have to be withdrawn from the Ministry of Defense, the money will have to be paid to civilians!
So the contract army is just a matter of money, not the defense capability of the Armed Forces.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Iris

But the main reason is one - people with a fragile psyche, yesterday's adolescents, are placed in conditions of constant coexistence and performing tasks that are alien to them. Which of them is the army in general, what kind of combat capability does it have?

The main reason is the quality of the "material" produced by the domestic education system. Whose fault is it - a rhetorical question. Did the conscripts under the USSR fought badly in Afghanistan?

Quote: Iris

In today's conditions of high-tech warfare, a combat-ready army consists of contract specialists with higher and secondary specialized education.

For conscripts, tasks in the army are the same. What is the point of keeping a contract soldier in the position of FPR operator or direction finder, say? Does every spotlight driver have to be a contractor? Another thing is that the service life should be 2-3 years and education should be an order of magnitude higher, at least as in the USSR.

Quote: Iris

But we have construction battalions and railway troops!

And the construction battalion was removed back in the 90s? I have not heard that it would be restored again.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Iris

Unlike real mercenaries, a contract soldier has an oath - it will not allow a soldier to "do whatever".

The oath is just words. Many of today's leaders took the oath of the USSR, and today they say that "the USSR did not produce anything except galoshes," and all sorts of dirt are shedding dirt on the country, which, according to the oath, they were supposed to defend.

[fruc]

That is why I am a supporter of permanently ending the conscription of conscripts into the army, otherwise we will have such incidents on a regular basis, with different numbers of corpses.

And who will whitewash the curbs and sweep the sidewalks?

[Glory1974]

I am a supporter of permanently putting an end to the conscription of conscripts into the army, otherwise we will have similar incidents on a regular basis, with different numbers of corpses. Only motivated young people should be recruited into the army, and even then they must first be trained in educational structures for at least 4-6 months.

What makes you think that a conscript cannot be motivated? A lot of guys go on an urgent call quite consciously, with high motivation. .And the service under the contract does not get rid of mental problems in any way. There are probably no statistics in the public domain, but even here, on the site, there were articles about the executions committed by the contractors.

[ccsr]

Quote: glory1974

What makes you think that a conscript cannot be motivated? A lot of guys go on an urgent loan quite consciously, with high motivation.

He is motivated by a further career in civilian life and nothing more. At worst, some just go to test themselves, which may be good, but the army is of little use.

Quote: glory1974

.And the service under the contract does not get rid of mental problems in any way.

Dramatically reduces the number of inadequacies in the army.

Quote: glory1974

There are probably no statistics in the public domain, but even here, on the site, there were articles about the executions committed by the contractors.

There are such cases, but I do not remember any examples when one of the "grandfathers" mocked a 21-30-year-old contractor. However, I do not deny that in the men's team there will always be a showdown, but not every contract soldier will rush straight for the weapon to settle scores with his abuser.

[for]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Anyone is to blame, but not the one who shot people ...

And at the same time, you blame the courts.
Of course, the shooters are to blame, but there is also society's fault if this begins to happen on a massive scale.

[Lech from Android.]

I indict the court for disproportionate punishment to a cruel crime.
At times, cruel murder trials impose lenient sentences.
A scoundrel raped a mother of two children, and then he killed her for a long time and painfully.
The court appoints the murderer and rapist for 12 years ... it is incomprehensible to the mind ... such sentences cannot be understood.
I just lose faith in the fair justice of the state ... it shouldn't be that way.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lech from Android.

I just lose faith in the fair justice of the state ... it shouldn't be that way.

I served in the Federal Penitentiary Service, the concept of "justice", it is absent. He has been gone for a long time.

[for]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

... He's been gone for a long time

And it was not when it was not.

[Revolver]

Quote: Lech from Android.

A scoundrel raped a mother of two children, and then he killed her for a long time and painfully.
The court appoints the murderer and rapist for 12 years ... it is incomprehensible to the mind ... such sentences cannot be understood.

Intentional crimes are one thing, especially on sexual grounds. Such people should be hung publicly, and in the case of special atrocities, they should be impaled. And when a person, especially a very boy, is systematically brought up, and he eventually breaks down, this is completely different.
But who called him with such an unstable psyche? Those who row everyone who gets caught, just to fulfill the plan on the call, in such cases, too, must be held accountable, and not reprimanded, but the real term, everyone, from the doctors of the commission to the military commissar. It is better to let doctors write out a white ticket at the slightest doubt than like this.

[Roman070280]

I just lose faith in the fair justice of the state ... it shouldn't be that way.

Well, in all fairness, at least 99% of those in power in our country should have been exiled to the Gulag long ago .. and instead they run the country ..
So this time your faith does not let you down ..))

[Kaman]

Lech, so you are also from Android because you do not understand that a person can be in a deranged state and not be responsible for their actions. I'll tell you more, and Chikatilo could not have been shot, he was absolutely insane. And it remains to be seen which is worse, Wad or treatment in a prison mental hospital

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Welldone

More questions to the draft board.

More questions for the organization of the service.

[Retvizan 8]

It could well have "cuckoo flow", all the same, it must be admitted that not every man is able to go through "hardships and hardships." I speak without any sarcasm.

[Well done]

Who would argue). Kukuha was leaking. Especially on guard. But we passed the tests, ticked the boxes, no one even thought to smack in theirs. Strange generation ...

[for]

Together with him, send the draft board or experts on the case there.

[Ural resident]

Interestingly, he shot him and went to his relatives. How is such a "present" for relatives here? Like: "dear, I killed three here, I can stay with you, well, if you decide to pass it, then don't be offended"

[Lech from Android.]

There will be someone else who will feel sorry for him and will demand to be sent to the resort, to improve his health ... How it all becomes disgusting.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lech from Android.

There will be someone else who will regret him and will demand to send him to the resort, improve his health ...

There is nothing to pity him, he himself did not pity anyone. But to understand why this happened is necessary.
There is definitely a fault on the company commander, on the platoon commander, on the modern analogue of the political officer, and of course the ensigns are to blame for the same.

[The Little Humpbacked Horse]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Shamsutdinov for 8 corpses for 25 years, 3 corpses for a year in prison ..

Shamsutdinov turned out to be a real man, not a patient, and got even with the offenders who mocked him

[Lech from Android.]

For me, Shamsutdinov is not a man, but a vile ferret, who shot his colleagues on the sly. It would have been better if they had nailed him earlier, maybe the men would have remained alive. And this ferret now breathes air, rejoices in the sun, unlike those whom he sent to the grave.
How much grief 8 servicemen brought to the families.

[Graz]

The opposite effect is also there, other military personnel will now think before starting to bully only the called-up soldiers. keeping in mind that the whole horn will be released on them on occasion, and this has a positive effect

[Alexander Seklitsky]

Ospodyayaya ... what a naive delusion ... This is tantamount to the fact that if somewhere a beaten wife butcher her husband, then domestic violence will stop at once and the abuser men will immediately think about it ... yeah yeah

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lech from Android.

maybe the men would have stayed alive.

Do we need such "men"? First of all, it is necessary to deal with those who allowed such a situation in the company. Although, of course, lynching is bad.

[Runway]

Did you serve in the army?

[Roman070280]

their colleagues

Why are they their own? Is he marked with blood with them ?? Or did he choose them as his colleagues?

Calling the scoundrels who mocked a person with "their" colleagues is somehow despicable already ..

[Glory1974]

got even with the offenders who mocked him

If so, it could be discussed. But in reality, he killed the innocent, which he himself admitted at the trial. And no one mocked him, there was only a threat.

[Roman070280]

no one mocked him, there was only a threat.

The net is full of information about this with testimony at the trial .. Not threats there ..

[iouris]

So Sobchak will take another interview.

[ghby]

Therefore, it was decided to send him for compulsory treatment, after which a psychiatric examination will follow.

wrong. First, an examination, then, by a court decision, compulsory treatment. Most likely, they placed him in the Durka for stationary examination. Although it happened, if registered, etc. then straight away for treatment, but then he had to be initially their client who had an exacerbation, and if he is their client, what kind of service are we talking about?

[Lynx2000]

In pre-trial criminal proceedings, the investigator appoints a forensic examination, in this case, a medical (psychiatric) examination, in order to determine sanity (legal capacity). A person who has been recognized as legally capable shall be subject to criminal liability for the crime committed.
In case the suspect removed the ax from the fire shield, "hacked to death" the officer in order to take possession of the service weapon with which he shot his colleagues ...
While committing a crime, the suspect gave a report and planned his actions, i.e. the crime was intentional.
Talking about revenge (taking revenge on the offenders with action) after the fact of such an offense is intentional, i.e. the subjective side of the corpus delicti, does not mitigate criminal liability.
If the suspect was subjected to violence by several persons, at the moment used the instrument of the crime (stool, fork, small arms, not his own), and, caused harm to health or committed the murder of the "offender (s)", then the version about exceeding the limits of self-defense, action in a state of passion.

[Kiev]

Driving to despair. Which led to actions in a state of passion. And that's all, they are sent for a psycho examination. After all, they may simply not write in the news that the guy could think about suicide and that the program simply did not work, but the instinct of survival turned on. The psyche is a complex machine.

[Lynx2000]

The survival instinct is triggered at the moment of a threat to life, when the victim uses all the forces and means at hand.
Driving to suicide is a crime; it is classified on other grounds of corpus delicti.
Killing out of a sense of revenge - has a different motive (intent), in this case, the subject (criminal) does not act in a state of passion if he were driven to suicide, plans his actions, gives an account of the consequences, has the intention (desire) to kill, or cause harm health of the offender (s). In this case, the "survival instinct" is not seen in the actions.
Thinking about suicide or killing offenders is one thing, but preparing to commit suicide (the investigator examines the degree of moral torment) or revenge is another ...

[bogart047]

nervous breakdown because of whom? Grandfathers? Commander? And no one noticed anything, but did not take the ax? Hard to believe

[Kiev]

Is there hazing in the Russian army ?! Or is it the consequences of the influence of TV, as in the United States with its shootings in supermarkets ?! Perhaps such events will make those who are trying to scoff at the soldiers to think about what can be answered to the fullest. At the same time, the Ministry of Defense will monitor who is being taken into the army, and how the old people meet the soldier.
Sad story.

[Boromir1941]

another. is it necessary to grab a weapon ??