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Promising bomber PAK DA confirmed a high degree of stealth for radars

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Promising bomber PAK DA confirmed a high degree of stealth for radars

Perspective aviation the long-range aviation complex (PAK DA) will be able to unnoticed overcome the advanced lines of NATO air defense due to its low EPR indicators. It is reported by RIA News with reference to a source in the DIC.


According to the source, PAK DA confirmed its ability to overcome the enemy's advanced air defense positions during bench tests. Due to its low ESR values, the aircraft exhibits a high degree of stealth for radars.

Special mock-ups and individual full-size elements of the bomber being created underwent a series of bench tests to assess the level of radar signature. The ultra-low parameters of the effective scattering surface area (EPR) of PAK DA, calculated at the stage of research work by computer simulation methods, have been confirmed.

leads agency word source.

It is noted that low EPR indicators will help PAK DA to overcome the enemy's advanced air defense positions when using certain tactics. However, a promising missile carrier is capable of performing most of its strike missions without entering the enemy's air defense zone, thanks to high-precision long-range missiles.

Earlier it was reported that work on a promising Russian bomber is proceeding on schedule and without disruption, a new engine has been developed for the aircraft.

The PAK DA is being developed by the Tupolev Design Bureau. The first flight of the newest aviation complex is to take place in 2025-2026. The start of serial production at the Kazan aircraft plant is scheduled for 2028–2029. At the same time, the machine can be adopted by the Aerospace Forces until 2027.
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  1. Pereira
    Pereira 24 March 2021 09: 25
    +5
    How did he confirm this, if the first flight is not earlier than 25?
    How much does one flight on the author's time machine cost?
    Or is the test on the stand equal to the real work of the enemy air defense?
    Then I won't buy a ticket. Let the author skate himself.
    1. vvvjak
      vvvjak 24 March 2021 09: 27
      +14
      Special mock-ups and individual full-size elements of the bomber being created underwent a series of bench tests to assess the level of radar signature.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 24 March 2021 09: 34
        +27
        Quote: vvvjak
        passed a series of bench tests to assess the level of radar signature.
        Yes, it is poorly visible even in the light range, few people have seen it! laughing
        1. Lycan
          Lycan 25 March 2021 12: 26
          +1
          "Not only everyone can see him, but very few people can do it." Nobody says that in this case it is already time for him to start preparing for the ground ... but if in the invisibility mode he trudges "50 km in an hour", it means "the wind is blowing not in the direction of the smoke spread" and slows down our pepelats.
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 24 March 2021 09: 34
        +31
        nevertheless, it smacks of some kind of urya propaganda
        the cow has not yet been milked, but the clover she has eaten confirms that the milk will be tasty.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 24 March 2021 09: 43
          +15
          Quote: yehat2
          nevertheless, it smacks of some kind of urya propaganda
          the cow has not yet been milked, but the clover she has eaten confirms that the milk will be tasty.

          The "cow" hasn't even been born yet ...
          1. NIKN
            NIKN 24 March 2021 09: 58
            +4
            Quote: Doccor18
            The "cow" hasn't even been born yet ...

            But the clover eats. :))
            According to the source, PAK DA confirmed the ability to overcome the enemy's advanced air defense positions
            Now I would like to clarify which enemy and which advanced air defense... We love to speak with slogans.
            1. AML
              AML 24 March 2021 10: 16
              +4
              Do you think of many countries with advanced air defense offhand?
              1. NIKN
                NIKN 24 March 2021 10: 20
                +1
                Sorry, I hurried, I meant the same as in the text "advanced positions Enemy air defense. "These are specific positions. What kind of systems are in the forward positions?
                1. yehat2
                  yehat2 24 March 2021 10: 34
                  0
                  Quote: NIKNN
                  What are the systems at the forefront?

                  as a rule, a mujahid with a Kalash and a cell phone or walkie-talkie.
                  1. Nikolai
                    Nikolai 24 March 2021 10: 54
                    +1
                    Here I am talking about the same thing. Or maybe a destroyer with a missile defense system ... So which ones will the model from the laboratory overcome due to invisibility?
                  2. Captain45
                    Captain45 24 March 2021 12: 13
                    +6
                    Quote: yehat2
                    as a rule, a mujahid with a Kalash and a cell phone or walkie-talkie.

            2. sabakina
              sabakina 24 March 2021 10: 29
              +1
              Quote: NIKNN
              According to the source, PAK DA confirmed the ability to overcome the enemy's advanced air defense positions
              Now I would like to clarify which enemy and which advanced air defense... We love to speak with slogans.
              Well, what are they? Advanced. Well, those who will be the first to "meet".
            3. Grits
              Grits 25 March 2021 02: 58
              0
              Quote: NIKNN
              But the clover eats that.

              Oh yeah! Many of our "animals" that have no analogues in the world eat clover with a very good appetite - they do not have time to type ... True, many of them die before birth. overeat, I guess.
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 24 March 2021 12: 11
            +2
            Quote: Doccor18
            The "cow" hasn't even been born yet ...

            The chicken is in the nest, the egg is in ..., and they are already preparing an omelet lol
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 24 March 2021 16: 32
            +2
            Actually, it was born as full-scale scale models of an airframe with new materials for testing the aerodynamics of the load and EPR tests passed as well as R&D - the aircraft is already being built.
            1. the most important
              the most important 24 March 2021 22: 37
              0
              Quote: Vadim237
              the plane is already under construction.

              What for?? Why stealth is needed at the price of a diamond of equal size, if it will not be included in the air defense zone? His speed is subsonic. What for??? Fighting Europe? So it's easier to make more ground-based missiles and cover the entire air defense system and all of Europe with them. If he is armed with a CD with a flight range of 5000 km, then where should he fly? Australia to bomb? Or Madagascar? If you sink the US fleet in the Pacific Ocean, then stealth is not needed here either. From the Kuril Islands released a CD for 5000 km and fly back. You can also put drums under KR in Ruslan or Il 96-400. And there will be dozens of them. Both easier and cheaper. Who knows exactly why a slow-moving bomber needs stealth? They won't let him through the pole anyway. Yes, and a bullet through the pole of the KR is of little use.
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft 24 March 2021 23: 30
                -1
                Quote: the most important
                Quote: Vadim237
                the plane is already under construction.

                What for??

                You cannot please. They build badly, they don't build badly either. Go to another thread of the site's discussion, do not injure your psyche ...
                Why stealth is needed at the price of a diamond of equal size, if it will not be included in the air defense zone? His speed is subsonic. What for???

                Ask the US SAC Commander about the same ...
                And then, if you were a kind (and not evil) member of the forum, and most importantly attentive, then you would read in the article:
                It is noted that low EPR indicators will help PAK DA to overcome the advanced positions of the enemy's air defense when applying certain tactics.
        2. vvvjak
          vvvjak 24 March 2021 10: 06
          +5
          Quote: yehat2
          the cow has not yet been milked, but the clover she has eaten confirms that the milk will be tasty.

          You know, as a child I had to graze a lot of cows. I can say with confidence that if you feed the cows with clover, then the milk will be guaranteed tasty, and most importantly, there will be a lot of it. But since the clover was grown specifically in the fields of the collective farm or in private paddocks (for example, for rabbits), the shepherd runs the risk of earning a lot of trouble. And so very easily, by eye, the amount of milk yield is determined. The quality of milk was not really taken into account, well, only if the milk is frankly bitter (for example, cows "picked up" wormwood or Shrovetide radish).
          1. yehat2
            yehat2 24 March 2021 10: 13
            -2
            Quote: vvvjak
            You know, as a child I had to graze a lot of cows. I can say with confidence that if you feed the cows with clover, then milk will be guaranteed. tasty, and most importantly it will be lot

            and if she ate some poisonous muck?
            and if besides a bunch of clover did not eat anything?
            It's just that such stupid statements harm the business much earlier than at least some non-virtual results.
            1. vvvjak
              vvvjak 24 March 2021 10: 27
              +6
              Quote: yehat2
              It's just that such stupid statements harm the business much earlier than at least some non-virtual results.

              I have written about a story before. Like, when the Ministry of Defense approached the designers of one Soviet research institute in panic with secret information that the United States had a stealth plane, they (the designer) issued a mock-up literally a few days later, which then coincided by 90% with the original. It turned out that two departments of this research institute, on a dispute, invented stealth forms long before the MO's appeal.
              1. yehat2
                yehat2 24 March 2021 10: 32
                -1
                Quote: vvvjak
                two departments of this research institute, on a dispute, invented stealth forms long before the appeal of the Ministry of Defense

                here you need to create a matmodel that calculates the RCS under different conditions.
                such things a hernia will come out to do.
                in general, even the Germans during ww2 already tried to make some less noticeable forms.
            2. sabakina
              sabakina 24 March 2021 11: 00
              0
              Quote: yehat2
              and if she ate some poisonous muck?
              and if besides a bunch of clover did not eat anything?
              You probably have a car and this car needs fuel. Or do you use firewood? wink
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 24 March 2021 12: 15
            0
            Quote: vvvjak
            I can say with confidence that if you feed the cows with clover, then the milk will be guaranteed tasty, and most importantly, there will be a lot of it.

            I remember from my childhood spent in the village with my grandmother, if a cow overeats with clover, it will ferment in the intestines and it may swell up so that the belly has to be pierced. And the milk is delicious.
            1. vvvjak
              vvvjak 24 March 2021 12: 28
              +1
              Quote: Captain45
              I remember from my childhood spent in the village with my grandmother, if a cow overeats with clover

              Most likely, they tried to "scare" you.
              Quote: Captain45
              inflate it like this

              A cow can be swollen for various reasons, but our saltpeter has become swollen - it is swollen with a lethal outcome.
          3. Your stranger
            Your stranger 24 March 2021 14: 42
            -2
            And if a cow is fed with clover, it will be fermented with high precision? Or where will it be?
        3. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 24 March 2021 10: 50
          0
          Quote: yehat2
          nevertheless, it smacks of some kind of urya propaganda

          The ultra-low parameters of the effective scattering surface area (EPR) of PAK DA, calculated at the stage of research work by computer simulation methods, have been confirmed.

          And paper airplanes fly SILENTLY!
          When will they stop citing the boltology of separate, "unnamed sources" and presenting them as a fait accompli ?!
        4. Niko
          Niko 24 March 2021 12: 07
          +1
          But the picture for the article is so beautiful! And when the cartoon comes out it will become even easier to be proud
        5. Rubi0
          Rubi0 24 March 2021 13: 28
          +5
          When a model aircraft is blown in a wind tunnel to confirm the characteristics, then questions do not seem to arise. What surprises you here?
      3. Alexander 3
        Alexander 3 24 March 2021 09: 36
        .
        Why do we even need to fly beyond our borders? We have such cruise missiles that will independently reach the target. You just need to release them imperceptibly ..
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 24 March 2021 09: 50
          +5
          Quote: Alexander 3
          Why do we even need to fly beyond our borders?

          And tourism? Tourism is trending now! And PAK YES is much more comfortable and roomy than the CD!
          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 24 March 2021 16: 45
            -2
            and still carrying out an air defense breakthrough with missiles with a range of up to 5,5 thousand km is at least strange ...
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 24 March 2021 16: 44
          -1
          by the way, yes, this moment was also surprised ... on the one hand, it is clear that this is a requirement of the military, and on the other hand, no one will break through the air defense
    2. Grandfather
      Grandfather 24 March 2021 09: 37
      -4
      PAK YES and we do not see, even visually, tactilely ... nothing, the pride of the defense industry. americans-wash yourself! how the crew will get into it ... you can't see ...
      1. AML
        AML 24 March 2021 10: 19
        +2
        With a high degree of probability, I can say that even 10 years after being put into service, nothing will change for you. In the best case, it will fap in the photo. And so neither tactile nor tactile sensations will be added in this regard.
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 24 March 2021 12: 10
          -1
          Quote: AML
          With a high degree of probability, I can say that even 10 years after being put into service, nothing will change for you. In the best case, it will fap in the photo. And so neither tactile nor tactile sensations will be added in this regard.

          ... well ... while you apparently "fap" on just words .... diagnosis ...
    3. venik
      venik 24 March 2021 09: 45
      +3
      Quote: Pereira
      Then I won't buy a ticket. Let the author skate himself.

      ==========
      To spite the conductor: buy a ticket and go on foot! lol
    4. lucul
      lucul 24 March 2021 13: 02
      +3
      How did he confirm this, if the first flight is not earlier than 25?
      How much does one flight on the author's time machine cost?

      What is in this phrase you do not understand
      Special layouts and individual full-size elements created bomber passed series of bench tests by assessing the level of radar signature. Confirmed ultra-low data effective scattering surface area (EPR) PAK DA, calculated at the stage of research work computer simulation methods

      BUT ?
    5. Intruder
      Intruder 25 March 2021 18: 17
      0
      How did he confirm this, if the first flight is not earlier than 25?
      an excellent phrase for a maneuver with a shift in terms, precisely in the part: "... not earlier than 25 years ...", and then you can: and + or -, add five or ten years ... the main thing is to allocate money !!! And then there will be no more of those who at the beginning still remembered about these dates .., in years * tsat !? laughing wink
  2. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 24 March 2021 09: 29
    +11
    Tongue out this source in the military-industrial complex! How we adore to boast of something that does not yet exist, and to tell what a wunderwaffler he is. And after this boasting for decades to postpone the adoption of this wunderwafe, either because of the high cost, sometimes because of the complexity. And in the end, after 20 years, build 10 pieces in an extremely simplified version.
    1. Titus_2
      Titus_2 24 March 2021 09: 50
      -3
      So why do anything ... time will pass and you can promise and promise new vundrevafe. Sawing money for R&D and after the new promises, today's slogans will be forgotten, and then the leadership will change and there is no one to ask. The most problem is that no one is ever responsible for all the promises, and as long as there is no responsibility, nothing will change ... although there will be, as always, the type of growth, but negative.
    2. Rubi0
      Rubi0 24 March 2021 13: 34
      -3
      Maybe in order to attract the attention of potential buyers? This is of course a unique product, but not enough, Algeria, for example, may want a wunlerwaflu and invest a couple of billions. And in general, young people will at least learn that airplanes are being designed not only in the USA
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 24 March 2021 23: 44
        +1
        Quote: Rubi0
        Algeria, for example, may want a wunlerwaflu and invest a couple of billion.

        Well, something like this, the Russian Federation got an armored car "Tiger"
        King Abdullah II of the Kingdom of Jordan decided to organize his own production of military equipment in the country. The company was named - King Abdullah II Design and Development Bureau, in translation: the design bureau of King Abdullah II. The design bureau was tasked with designing national models of combat vehicles, including a light armored car of the Humvee type.
        The development of the project was entrusted to an Arab enterprise Bin Jabr Group Ltdwhich in turn asked for help to create a multipurpose vehicle from the Russian company GAZ... The contract price was $ 60 million.

        https://warbook.club/voennaya-tehnika/boevye-mashiny/tigr/
        Anyway young people at least learn that airplanes are designed not only in the USA

        I wonder what kind of cattle you already put 5 "- -", incl. and for this phrase?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 25 March 2021 18: 21
          +2
          I wonder what kind of cattle you already put 5 "- -", incl. and for this phrase?
          already less, because for every "cattle" there is my "+" and other comrades winked !!!
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 25 March 2021 18: 19
      +2
      10 pieces in an extremely simplified version.
      in the form of a mass-dimensional model, at exhibitions !? fellow
  3. APASUS
    APASUS 24 March 2021 09: 29
    +1
    Ultra-low effective scattering surface area (ESR) performance confirmed

    Maybe I'm confusing something, but the DB does not break through the enemy's air defense system, or rather, they do not even enter the air defense zone of action. For what purposes is the reduction of EPR?
    1. mark1
      mark1 24 March 2021 09: 34
      +6
      Quote: APASUS
      Maybe I'm confusing something ... .... For what purposes is the ESR reduction?

      So the Americans are confusing something - then B2, then B-21 ...
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 24 March 2021 12: 07
        0
        Quote: mark1

        So the Americans are confusing something - then B2, then B-21 ...

        B-21 Raider bomber, replacing B-2 Spirit
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 25 March 2021 00: 04
          +1
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: mark1

          So the Americans are confusing something - then B2, then B-21 ...

          B-21 Raider bomber, replacing B-2 Spirit

          Kind forumchanin APASUS (Pavo) pointing out to you the above planes apparently meant that:
          We can say that the collapse of the USSR, coupled with the prohibitive cost, "buried" the project: instead of 132 units planned for purchase, only 21 aircraft were produced. Moreover, the complexity and cost of operating the B-2 was even higher than that of the B-1B. All this has led to the fact that the "younger" B-1B and B-2 will be "retired" earlier than the ancient B-52.
          However, it is clear that the concept of an ultimatum stealth strategic bomber has justified itself in the eyes of the leadership of the US Air Force (Air Force), since the newest B-21 bomber under development is visually a continuation of the B-2 bomber concept.

          The planned volume of purchases of B-21 is about 80-100 cars, with the possibility of increasing the portfolio of orders up to 145 cars... Ultimately, the volume of purchases will most likely be related to the final price of the combat vehicle and its actual capabilities.

          Assembling the first prototype bomber B-21 Raider should be completed in 2021 and it should go on its first flight in 2022.

          https://topwar.ru/174256-b-21-raider-bombardirovschik-ili-nechto-bolshee.html
          Accordingly, the Russian Federation is late in sending its PAK DA on its first flight by 4 years than its American prototype ...
          In addition, the Americans have already operated the B-2, so the American has something to compare with and all childhood diseases are known, in connection with which its receiver B-21 is being created, but we will have to start everything from "0" ...
    2. Yves762
      Yves762 24 March 2021 09: 37
      0
      And so that, if you were not lucky enough to run into ... (patrol, for example), it was more difficult to fire rockets into them. Yes, and before the enemy's air defense zones, it is easier to paint so that good neighbors do not merge ...
    3. yehat2
      yehat2 24 March 2021 09: 38
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      For what purposes is the ESR reduction

      First, different weapons have different radii.
      too expensive to shoot missiles for 1000 km. Therefore, it is useful to be able to get closer.
      In addition, there is not always external target designation, and the target is difficult to notice from a distance.
      secondly, a heavy bomber takes a long time to fly. You never know when he will be caught with his panties down.
      The more elusive it is (EPR, lack of active radiation, speed, altitude), the better.
    4. Ulan
      Ulan 24 March 2021 09: 41
      +4
      Logically, yes, but there are also patrols with air defense fighters, the radius of which is much larger than the radius of ground forces, + AMRAAM hundred-kilometer missiles. In general, it seems to me that it is better not to know where to expect a blow from.
    5. venik
      venik 24 March 2021 09: 57
      +4
      Quote: APASUS
      Maybe I'm confusing something, but the DB does not break through the enemy's air defense system, or rather, they do not even enter the air defense zone

      ========
      belay Are you serious? It seems all the same you are confusing something! Usually, the "coverage area" of air defense means the "interception zone" of air targets. And there is also a "detection zone". It usually spreads far beyond the "interception zone" and allows you to prepare in advance for the interception of air attack. The smaller the RCS of the bomber, the longer it can stay in the air and the closer it can get to the interception zone, remaining unnoticed, which means the strike will be sudden.
      But this is only for missile carriers, and the DB can also carry free-fall bombs (for example, high-power TNB) - here is the low ESR - the main protection ... request
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 24 March 2021 12: 01
        0
        Quote: venik
        The smaller the RCS of the bomber, the longer it can stay in the air and the closer it can get to the interception zone, remaining unnoticed, which means that the strike will be sudden.

        Do you also believe in this garbage that stealth technology is a panacea? That modern detection means cannot detect the F-22/35?
        1. venik
          venik 24 March 2021 21: 23
          +2
          Quote: APASUS
          Do you also believe in this garbage that stealth technology is a panacea?

          =======
          Well, panacea - NOT a panacea, and life for RTV-shniks can complicate!
          -----------
          Quote: APASUS
          That modern detection means cannot detect the F-22/35?

          =======
          Yes you can, of course! The whole question is range detection! Let it be known to you that the radar detection range is not a constant, but depends on many parameters, and first of all in direct ratio RCS of the target (i.e., the smaller the RCS, the less is the detection range).
          Well, of course: measures to reduce the RCS allow masking the true dimensions of the target (a huge "strategist" can be perceived as a small "business jet" or a front-line aircraft) ...... bully wink bully
    6. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 24 March 2021 23: 51
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      For what purposes is the ESR reduction?

      Apparently for low visibility ...
    7. Intruder
      Intruder 25 March 2021 18: 23
      0
      .For what purposes is the ESR reduction
      , this is a secret with a stamp, in reality we find out about it, only after 30-50 years and then our grandchildren, already ... laughing wink
  4. Yves762
    Yves762 24 March 2021 09: 33
    0
    what I wonder if all these efforts are crushed by the prospects of tracking the turbulent wake of an aircraft.?.
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 24 March 2021 09: 59
      +3
      Quote: Yves762
      I wonder if all these efforts are crushed by the prospects of tracking the turbulent wake of an aircraft.?.

      this only works in science fiction films so far.
      in reality, even if they notice successfully and on time (which is far from a fact), even just having time to issue target designation and direct air defense is problematic.
      Such tricks so far only work against the fleet, which is much slower.
  5. Ulan
    Ulan 24 March 2021 09: 44
    +9
    It's funny: the American B-2 was reviled for its slowness, that the "stealth" is no longer the same and is detected by all radars. And then "HOBA !!" and the new PAK DA repeats spirit on all counts.
    What will the "urapatriots" say now?
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 24 March 2021 09: 49
      +6
      The same as how they reviled the Tomahawks with all their words, but then bang and Calibers, as they reviled the fifth generation, but then bam and PAK FA, how they reviled the Abrams shed, and then drove out the Armata shed, how they reviled Hammer, and then hello to the Tiger wassat
    2. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 24 March 2021 09: 52
      +3
      Doesn't repeat at all. This is a very compromise aircraft, most likely, will be. It is unlikely that there will be thick and complex stealth cladding, which is done by hand for a very long time on "Spirits". But due to only the shape of the airframe, composites and coatings, the EPR can be reduced by at least 2 orders of magnitude, compared to the Tu-95MS.
      1. Ulan
        Ulan 24 March 2021 10: 06
        +3
        "in comparison with the Tu-95MS" it is not necessary to achieve a 2-fold reduction in EPR. For the same Tu-160, the EPR is much less than that of the Tu-95.
        1. d4rkmesa
          d4rkmesa 24 March 2021 10: 08
          +3
          By 2 orders, i.e. 100 times purely mathematically. Those. instead of 100m2, let's say, it will be <1. Quite realistically, if you remember the B-1B, it might even come out better.
          1. Ulan
            Ulan 24 March 2021 10: 11
            0
            Well, "orders" is yes, it's better than "times". Apparently I missed that you mentioned the order. (well, or you edited the post later laughing )
          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 24 March 2021 10: 28
            +4
            B-1B is not stealth. PAK DA is similar to B-2.
            1. d4rkmesa
              d4rkmesa 24 March 2021 10: 41
              0
              All the renders that flashed looked more like experimental aircraft of various layouts, and not B-2. The B-1B is not stealth, but a fairly discreet aircraft.
    3. AML
      AML 24 March 2021 10: 23
      +2
      What's the problem? There are all sorts of different things. Well, if that 160 was taken out of production. And so I think it will be cut until the engine appears on other physical principles.
    4. Stepan S
      Stepan S 24 March 2021 10: 25
      -1
      You don’t understand, this is completely different.
    5. yehat2
      yehat2 24 March 2021 10: 57
      +6
      Quote: Ulan
      And then "HOBA !!" and the new PAK DA repeats spirit on all counts.
      What will the "urapatriots" say now?

      first, you have a logic problem. urapatriots are not involved at all here
      and secondly, what to do, if not this? the example of the Tu-22 shows that speed is of little use now.
      And even the United States has withdrawn all low-altitude defense breakthrough aircraft from service.
      So it turns out that the new bomb carrier, if done, then slow and imperceptible.
      It's just not a fact that you need to immerse yourself in stealth technology as deeply as possible, sacrificing other characteristics and it's better to do something more balanced.
      In addition, air defense is developing. If earlier the plane was threatened from a distance of 40-60 km, now a bunch of missiles have appeared, hitting at 200-400 km, and the radars are constantly being improved and it is more and more difficult to hide.
    6. bk0010
      bk0010 24 March 2021 12: 53
      +1
      Quote: Ulan
      It's funny: the American B-2 was reviled for its slowness, that the "stealth" is no longer the same and is detected by all radars. And then "HOBA !!" and the new PAK DA repeats spirit on all counts.
      What will the "urapatriots" say now?
      Let's say the same. In the USSR, they did not get involved with stealth, because in our main theater of operations (Europe) the density of radars is such that no stealth will help. The Germans (after the unification) saw the B-2 with MiG-29 radars even against the background of the earth. Pampering is.
    7. Intruder
      Intruder 25 March 2021 18: 25
      0
      And then "HOBA !!" and the new PAK DA repeats spirit on all counts.
      And you, were expecting there gravitsapu and FTL missiles with meson combat with a developed AI behavioral matrix as a biological crew ... fellow , the other is still dumb, and even more so under sanctions for the Russian Federation, and is not expected! bully
  6. Sergey Valov
    Sergey Valov 24 March 2021 09: 54
    +2
    “The start of serial production at the Kazan aircraft plant is scheduled for 2028–2029. At the same time, the machine can be adopted by the Aerospace Forces until 2027. " - cool, there is no production yet, but it is in service!
    "A new engine has been developed for the aircraft" - again they hide everything from us belay .
    "Will be able to unnoticed to overcome the advanced lines of NATO air defense" - to Europe on the strategist ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? The author of these words in the studio am .
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 25 March 2021 18: 28
      0
      “The start of serial production at the Kazan aircraft plant is scheduled for 2028–2029. At the same time, the machine can be adopted by the Aerospace Forces until 2027. " - cool, there is no production yet, but it is in service!
      And what is promising, fashionable and youthful!
      "- See, PAK YES in the sky !? fellow
      - No!!! belay
      - And he is !!! bully"
      Russian zaboristy ... laughing wink
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 24 March 2021 10: 00
    +1
    Promising bomber PAK DA confirmed a high degree of stealth for radars
    to write something or not, looking like urya-urya hurry to mark those who hint that it is worth remembering the proverb - Don't say gop until you jump !!!
    In general, all the doubts, they are doubts, and while there are no FACTS, there is nothing special to talk about.
  8. Maks1995
    Maks1995 24 March 2021 10: 07
    +1
    Another anonymous noodles ...
  9. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 24 March 2021 10: 07
    +9
    "Ultra-low effective surface area confirmed
    scattering (EPR) PAK DA, calculated at the stage of research
    methods of computer modeling "

    That's great!
    It turns out stealth - stealth exists. fellow

    PAK DA will be able to pass unnoticed front lines of NATO air defense

    Just like American stealth can go unnoticed
    air defense lines of Russia.
    Radar air defense - it is about the same as that of NATO and that of Russia.
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    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 March 2021 16: 34
      +3
      Oddly enough, but in Saudi Arabia, Houthi - Iranian missiles and air defense UAVs overcame and hit military bases and oil storage facilities from the refinery.
    3. spirit
      spirit 24 March 2021 18: 25
      0
      Exactly! Why was the "goblin" f117 so square?) Yes, all because there was not enough computing power for analysis, so such an iron came out! As soon as this reached 22 and 35, the EPR was simulated on the computer.
      That's great!
      It turns out stealth - stealth exists. fellow

      Can you imagine that the Russian Ministry of Defense will also show a destroyer with a stealth element! wassat
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 25 March 2021 00: 43
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        Quote: spirit
        Can you imagine that the Russian Ministry of Defense will also show a destroyer with a stealth element! wassat

        So it seems already, there is a project of EM URO "Leader" with an AEU, now these AEUs are installed on new nuclear icebreakers ...
        Destroyers of project 23560 "Leader". For the first time, the general public heard about it in June 2009, when ITAR-TASS announced the start of work on the creation of a multipurpose destroyer in the ocean zone.


        https://topwar.ru/100258-esmincy-proekta-23560-lider-zachem-kogda-i-skolko.html
    4. Intruder
      Intruder 25 March 2021 18: 30
      0
      It turns out stealth - stealth exists.
      Only for certain spectra and geometries, but not everywhere and it is different in the complex, there is also an optical one ...
  10. Stepan S
    Stepan S 24 March 2021 10: 23
    0
    I think that its invisibility is much higher than the declared one - so far no one has managed to find it))
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 25 March 2021 18: 32
      +1
      that its invisibility is much higher than the declared one - so far no one has managed to find it
      Anderson's tale, about the king and his optical invisibility of the dress, a couple of centuries ago, as everything is described ... winked hi
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    1. Intruder
      Intruder 25 March 2021 18: 37
      +1
      another pack-nonsense of the level of cattle ...
      In vain you are so, oh in vain ..., some more years: 10-20-30 and - n, everything will be fellow and orbital trampolines-elevators for the withdrawal of assembly modules for nuclear Nuclons, which will pull cargo into the orbits of Jupiter and Saturn, with superluminal shuttle ... to Aldebaran, and lunar stations with hotels in orbits ... you just have to believe, in the same - Eternal and Light !!!
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 25 March 2021 18: 44
        0
        Quote: Intruder
        ... you just have to believe

        Yes, there is no longer any faith in them. They are already lying completely.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 25 March 2021 20: 27
          +1
          Yes, there is no longer any faith in them.
          And yak, spiritual braces, well, from those who with golden clocks and crosses, now lead their quivering flock, like a sacred doe ... on ..., through hardships to a bright future, they also repeat, about spiritual unity with power and they even try repeatedly over the past 10 years, even with signs and censers, to raise the statistics of successful launches of launch vehicles in Roscosmos, although they have not yet entered into long-term cooperation, all sorts of rocket adversaries (former communists ... not believers wassat ) from the old royal school do not believe them, or maybe in vain ... winked After all, how beautiful, we take the RD-180, we hang the image on the nozzle and fasten it to the nozzle in gold with gzhel paintings and voila, +20 - +30 tf arrived at the thrust, in march mode against all the laws of gas dynamics, but on one faith. ..one !?
  12. Niko
    Niko 24 March 2021 11: 56
    -2
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Quote: vvvjak
    passed a series of bench tests to assess the level of radar signature.
    Yes, it is poorly visible even in the light range, few people have seen it! laughing

    There is a great chance that no one will see
  13. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 24 March 2021 11: 58
    -1
    Mahina of ~ 145 tons with ~ 50 meter dimensions and subsonic speed - relies on the "Stealth" mode .. No, really, I am interested in this project and there will be a feeling of pride if we can master it, but the question of the PRACTICAL benefits of developing such a monster, I would not considered it so unambiguous. Due to its size, it will not be invisible. Moreover, against the background of other targets, it will very successfully stand out because of its speed. It will be unrealistic to hide the basing of such a bandura. It will cost like a carload of gold bars because of coating, care, small series, development, and in general it is a hefty strategic plane that cannot be cheap. Of course, the fleet of strategists needs to be updated little by little, but hope for a bunch of stealth subsonics paired with a small series, which will be exactly 30+ years, when it is not known what progress will be in radar, AI, network centrics and guided missile weapons (or the same lasers) - I think this is a pretty dumb bet. But, of course, time will tell ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 24 March 2021 16: 35
      -1
      There is no exact data on this aircraft - everything is conditional.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 24 March 2021 19: 16
        0
        That's right, well, I can assume that, according to the overall data, this aircraft will fit in 50 meters (wingspan), since it is subsonic on the one hand, on the other, it will most likely be created taking into account the exploitation of the infrastructure created for our other strategists, and therefore some of its dimensions will be what is called unified to objectivity. degree. As for the weight - this weight currently appears on the Internet, I again can assume that this approximately corresponds to because there is no reason to make a strategist much smaller in weight, this is still a conventional "bomb carrier" and its weight / mass parameters should not grow too much in the negative (relative to their classmates) and will hardly grow dramatically in "+", because the strength of the airframe, the load on the wing and issues of internal space, taking into account the "stealth concept" impose certain boundaries. That is, the mass will be approximately the same as that of the same Tu-22M +++, given the size. The fact that the PAK YES is likely to be smaller in size and weight than the Tu-160 seems to me quite probable, because for a stealth machine such weight and dimensions is a gloomy pitch.
        I think that the approximate characteristics can be estimated within certain limits already before creation, purely through the prism of compromises-tasks-pricing-parameters of weapons, etc. A rather large plane looms, and most likely extremely technologically capacious. And therefore, dear ..
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 25 March 2021 18: 39
      0
      Mahina of ~ 145 tons with ~ 50 meter dimensions and subsonic speed - relies on the "Stealth" mode .. No, really, I am interested in this project and there will be a feeling of pride if we can master it, but the question of the PRACTICAL benefits of developing such a monster, I would not considered it so unambiguous.
      But what about the political prestige of the country in this area, and the advertising of our UAC !? Plus, at parades, one will be shown clearly ..., another 50-60 years !!! A necessary business, by the way ... and important for the statehood of Russia of the Future!
  14. iouris
    iouris 24 March 2021 13: 35
    0
    ... in a computer game.
  15. AML
    AML 24 March 2021 19: 47
    +2
    Quote: Dead Day
    ... well ... while you apparently "fap" on just words .... diagnosis ...


    The diagnosis is to whine permanently. From this and indigestion happens.
  16. Revival
    Revival 25 March 2021 00: 46
    +4
    HEADER!
    "The promising bomber PAK DA has confirmed a high degree of stealth for radars."

    ARTICLE))

    "Special layouts and individual full-size elements of the bomber being created underwent a series of bench tests to assess the level of radar signature.
    The first flight of the newest aviation complex should take place in 2025-2026. "

    No comments......
  17. andrew42
    andrew42 25 March 2021 10: 39
    -1
    On the basis of this article, there is no point in discussing the characteristics and effectiveness of PAK DA, because there are neither real performance characteristics, nor an assessment of the financial result. There is an opportunity only to discuss the validity of the release of the article itself. But this is bad. "Do not boast, going to the army, but boast from the army when you go down," - this proverb is more than 1000 years old. But the author of the article took it even cooler - the boast is about how "to the army" we will go in the future, it is not known how far away. A scanty note about the bench tests of models and elements would be enough. Everything else is a bravura pseudo-patriotic brawl.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 25 March 2021 18: 41
      0
      But the author of the article took it even cooler - the boast is about how "to the army" we will go in the future, it is not known how far away.
      And how do you want, because: "It's hard to look for a black cat in a dark room - which is not there" !!!
  18. lopvlad
    lopvlad 25 March 2021 20: 07
    0
    A promising long-range aviation complex (PAK DA) will be able to unnoticed overcome the advanced lines of NATO air defense due to low EPR indicators
    .

    Well, the Russian developers believed and saddled the fairy tale about the fact that the low ESR makes the aircraft "invisible" so that the modern air defense deployed on the front lines of NATO will not see it.

    However, a promising missile carrier is capable of performing most of its strike missions without entering the enemy's air defense zone, thanks to high-precision long-range missiles.


    Well, this is completely the merit of the designers of the missiles who are located on it and not the developers of the aircraft.


    An attempt to convince us that an airplane the size of a civilian passenger airliner with a maximum speed of less than 700 km / h is capable of "breaking through" a modern air defense zone looks silly.
    The only thing that the PAK DA developers should focus on is increasing the maximum mass of weapons (possibly a greater number of those same long-range missiles) that this aircraft can lift and deliver to our exclusive partner, while not entering the area of ​​action of its air defense.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 26 March 2021 01: 54
      0
      An attempt to convince us that an airplane the size of a civilian passenger airliner with a maximum speed of less than 700 km / h is capable of "breaking through" a modern air defense zone looks silly.
      yes, straight, like that tuzik and that hot-water bottle laughing , the main thing is to believe in it and en masse:

      or like this:
  19. Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 25 March 2021 23: 48
    0
    Ah, another overhaul ...
    He is not yet, but he has already overcome all ...