There is information about the rescue of a crew member of the Tu-22 missile carrier

Soon after the accident at the military airfield Shaikovka near Kaluga, there was information about the rescue of a crew member of the Tu-22 missile carrier. It became known how he managed to escape.

This was announced by the Telegram channel "112".

Before an abnormal situation occurred on the Tu-22M3 long-range strategic bomber and catapults went off, one of the pilots, unlike his comrades, managed to fasten his seat belt. The rest of the crew at that moment were just going to do it. Thanks to this coincidence, he survived.

After the accident, the pilot was taken to the medical unit in Shaikovka, where he received medical assistance.

The Tu-22M3 missile carrier is a modified version of the Tu-22M long-range strategic bomber. A feature of this series of aircraft is the presence of variable sweep wings. The Tu-22M3 is armed with a 23 mm cannon and air-to-ground missiles.

Bombers are used to destroy land and sea targets. Such aircraft took part in hostilities in the Syrian Arab Republic.

In connection with the tragic incident in the Kaluga region, which was reported by "Voennoye Obozreniye", an investigation was launched.

Comments

[Alf]

After the accident, the pilot was taken to the medical unit in Shaikovka, where he received medical assistance.

God grant that there would be no problems with the spine!

[NIKN]

had time to buckle up seat belt.

Actually a harness. Only it is not clear when and who removes the checks from the seat, as if after the pilot is wearing his seat belt this should happen.

[Tatyana]

Before an abnormal situation occurred on the Tu-22M3 long-range strategic bomber and catapults went off, one of the pilots, unlike his comrades, managed to fasten his seat belt. The rest of the crew at that moment were just going to do it. Thanks to this coincidence, he survived.

A very offensive death for the dead pilots! They didn't save themselves.

My cousin served as a technician in the air regiment. That was a long time ago. So his companion - a young pilot - a month after the wedding with his pregnant wife, also accidentally ejected - without a parachute fastened! They boarded the plane with a parachute, and in the cockpit they secretly unfastened him so that he would not interfere with them.

So they could not collect even 200 grams from him at the place of his fall - they only picked up clothes, And his leather flight jacket at the location of the ring for opening the parachute was torn to shreds by his hands.

[Tatyana]

It turns out that the emergency situation with the work of catapults in an airplane occurred on the ground, and not in the sky!

As a result of the accident with the Tu-22M3 3 people died at the airport near Kaluga... The Ministry of Defense clarified that the incident took place on the ground. During planned preparation for a flight in an airplane ON THE EARTH, an abnormal operation of the ejection system occurred. Due to the insufficient height to deploy the parachutes, 3 crew members received injuries incompatible with life upon landing.
A commission of the Russian Aerospace Forces went to the scene of the tragedy, which will establish the causes of the incident.

What a grief! We lost three specialists and one barely survived!
We wish the survivor a speedy recovery!

[NIKN]

PRELIMINARY REPORT
SHAIKOVKA. TU22M3 - PRELIMINARY REPORT.

The composition of the crew, mainly the bosses:
The commander of the ship is the deputy commander of the air squadron, Major;
pilot-instructor regiment commander Colonel;
navigator of the ship; navigator of the regiment, Major;
navigator-instructor navigator-inspector 00 PPI and PLC Lieutenant Colonel.

In preparation for the exercise flight, after launching the APU and working with the cockpit equipment, the commander of the ship, who is the deputy squadron commander, switched on all machine guns on the AZR panel with the lever of the packet switch. At the same time, the system of forced departure of the crew was triggered according to the standard scheme (the commander of the ship leaves the plane on his own).

When the forced exit system was triggered, four lantern covers were dropped and three crew members were ejected. The mechanisms of the ejection seats worked normally, the separation of the crew members and the launching of the rescue parachutes took place normally, but due to the lack of conditions for safely leaving the aircraft (speed less than 130 km / h), the canopies of the parachutes were not filled.

Three crew members were killed when they fell onto the concrete surface of the aircraft parking lot at high vertical speed. Chairs KT-1M.

[t-12]

and the ejection of three crew members

Then where did the fourth crew member get injured? Why is he in the medical unit? If he himself did not catapult? Or was he knocked on the head after the incident?

[NIKN]

Quote: t-12

and the ejection of three crew members

Then where did the fourth crew member get injured? Why is he in the medical unit? If he himself did not catapult? Or was he knocked on the head after the incident?

I don’t know these details ... They didn’t say anything about the injuries, maybe the nervous shock was filmed in the medical unit. Rather, the press thought it out.

[t-12]

Did I understand correctly that there are no hardware restrictions there? That the on-board computer does not look at the speed and altitude sensors and does not cancel the bailout in a deliberately unacceptable situation?

[NIKN]

Correctly understood, the bailout system does not control the escape parameters, this appeared on later systems. The ejection seat takes into account only the weight of the pilot and then through the height. When adjusting the height of the chair, the slope of the nozzles seems to change. Although I may be wrong, I apologize for earlier, given to me, I retired.

[ancient]

Quote: t-12

Did I understand correctly that there are no hardware restrictions there?

Only in height and in speed9 for accurate opening of the main canopy and flight time after exiting on the stabilizing canopy).
And so all the restrictions on the "exit" from the cockpit should be known by himself .. by the mouth when "sir", and when "sir" ... but if "not sir", but it is very necessary ... try "... what if ..2 coincided2 and ... the dome was filled ... examples ... a lot.

[ancient]

Quote: t-12

Then where did the fourth crew member get injured?

And you in Google look at the photo of the bailout and see what kind of torch from the gunpowder charge of the chair ... well, imagine what kind of burns you can get ... y and so on ..

[yehat2]

Quote: Tatiana

Due to insufficient height to deploy parachutes, 3 crew members were injured upon landing

but this is strange, tk. for the catapult, which is installed everywhere, there have been successful tests of firing from the ground. Moreover, there is a video from the air show, when at almost zero altitude, two successfully ejected. They should have had their parachutes open STATE.
But for some reason the assertion sounds that the height is not enough.
After all, this situation is included in the range of application of our catapults!
Something doesn't add up here. It seems to me that the altitude is generally mentioned in order not to talk about the fact that the pilots were not wearing their seatbelt and fell without parachutes.

[samosad]

Fighters and attack aircraft have a different catapult system ...

[Torins]

You probably don't remember well what happened at that air show. The plane was in motion, and this one was on the ground, and secondly, the explosion of the aircraft contributed to the normal deployment of the parachutes. So your example is not correct at all.

[yehat2]

the minimum speed was - that's it
but the explosion occurred much later than the disclosure. So I remember better than you.

[Torins]

A small nuance, but the explosion was later, but it was the force of the explosion that already at the very ground that the landing speed was extinguished, one of the surviving pilots spoke about this.

[basmach]

What gray year did he serve? The pilot does not board the plane with a parachute! The parachute is mounted in the chair. The pilot puts on the harness, sits down in the chair and immediately fastens it to the harness belts. After that, the technician takes the checks from the catapult handles and shows them to the pilot.

[Tatyana]

Quote: basmach

What gray year did he serve?

My cousin was much older than me. He has long been dead. He told my mother in my presence. but not immediately after the service, but years later. I was little then. I remembered for all my life how a fellow pilot, his friend, died terribly. I think that this was in his practice in the service around 1954-1955. He then said that over the years of his service, the pilots' cemetery had grown right in front of him, one might say, in front of his eyes.

[ROBIN-SON]

My father served in the early 50s in Tukums (Latvia). He told me that many pilots were buried in those years.

[The leader of the Redskins]

They say that if a lot of people want something, then it comes true. Let's unanimously wish this man recovery and long life.

[akarfoxhound]

This pilot has no and never will have problems with his spine! It's just an article - a nonsense of people who have nothing to do with aviation!
AVIAINCIDENT, [23.03.21 17:13]
SHAIKOVKA. TU22M3 - PRELIMINARY REPORT.

The composition of the crew, mainly the bosses:
The commander of the ship is the deputy commander of the air squadron, Major;
pilot-instructor regiment commander Colonel;
navigator of the ship; navigator of the regiment, Major;
navigator-instructor navigator-inspector 00 PPI and PLC Lieutenant Colonel.

In preparation for the exercise flight, after launching the APU and working with the cockpit equipment, the commander of the ship, who is the deputy squadron commander, switched on all machine guns on the AZR panel with the lever of the packet switch. At the same time, the system of forced departure of the crew was triggered according to the standard scheme (the commander of the ship leaves the plane on his own).

When the forced exit system was triggered, four lantern covers were dropped and three crew members were ejected. The mechanisms of the ejection seats worked normally, the separation of the crew members and the launching of the rescue parachutes took place normally, but due to the lack of conditions for safely leaving the aircraft (speed less than 130 km / h), the canopies of the parachutes were not filled.

Three crew members were killed when they fell onto the concrete surface of the aircraft parking lot at high vertical speed. Chairs KT-1M.

KT-1M is an ejection seat developed by the Tupolev Design Bureau. Currently installed on Tu-22M3 and Tu-22MR aircraft. The abbreviation KT-1M means "Tupolev's first modified armchair".

Each member of the Tu-22M crew is equipped with a KT-1M ejection seat with a PS-T three-stage parachute system mounted in the seat.

Ejection is carried out upward, facing the stream, face protection is carried out by a GSH-6A pressurized helmet, which is part of the BMCK-2M protective suit, adopted as standard equipment for the crew, or a ZSH-3 protective helmet (in the latter case, the crew is dressed in standard flight uniforms for the season , additionally put on a rescue harness of the ASP-74 type).

Ejection is carried out in the following sequence: operator, navigator, right pilot, ship commander. Both individual and forced ejection are provided.

Forced ejection of the crew is performed by the commander, for which it is enough to lift the cap and turn on the “Forced exit” toggle switch on the left side of the cockpit.

At the same time, a red banner "Forced leaving" lights up at each workplace and the EMRV-27B-1 time relay for the seats of the right pilot, navigator-navigator and navigator-operator, which are set for a time corresponding to 3,6 s, 1,8 s , 0,3 s.

After 0,3 s, the time relays trigger the EK-69 pneumatic system electrovalve on the navigator-operator's seat, while the “Manufacturing” system is triggered on the seat (triggering the arms and legs scatter limiters and tightening the seat belts) and pressing the limit switch for resetting the lantern cover.

When the "Manufacturing" system is triggered, the ACh-1,2 temporary automatic machine is activated on the chair, which after 1 s pulls out the combat pin of the firing mechanism.

[Alf]

Quote: Alf

After the accident, the pilot was taken to the medical unit in Shaikovka, where he received medical assistance.

God grant that there would be no problems with the spine!

I wonder which two idiots minus would like the pilot to get injured?

[VOEVODA]

According to some sources, there seems to be problems not with the spine, but with the "head" of KK

[Piramidon]

Before an abnormal situation occurred on the Tu-22M3 long-range strategic bomber and catapults went off, one of the pilots, unlike his comrades, managed to fasten his seat belt. The rest of the crew at that moment were just going to do it.

Some crap

[Alf]

Quote: Piramidon

Before an abnormal situation occurred on the Tu-22M3 long-range strategic bomber and catapults went off, one of the pilots, unlike his comrades, managed to fasten his seat belt. The rest of the crew at that moment were just going to do it.

Some crap

Why the hell is that?

[sabakina]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Piramidon

Before an abnormal situation occurred on the Tu-22M3 long-range strategic bomber and catapults went off, one of the pilots, unlike his comrades, managed to fasten his seat belt. The rest of the crew at that moment were just going to do it.

Some crap

Why the hell is that?

Crap is not crap, I do not know, not a pilot and not a pilot. But I think, until the crew is fully prepared for departure, the engines will not start. Remember the same Americans. Until they put on their seatbelt, hell start the car. This is my subjective opinion.

[Alf]

Quote: sabakina

Crap is not crap

I'm not for that. I just didn't understand what exactly Pyramidon meant when I asked about the crap. I wanted to ask him, but instead got a minus. I am never tired of being amazed at the "logic" of some minusers ...

[sabakina]

Quote: Alf

I am never tired of being amazed at the "logic" of some minusers ...

There is much in the world, friend Horatio, which our sages did not dream of

[Alf]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: Alf

I am never tired of being amazed at the "logic" of some minusers ...

There is much in the world, friend Horatio, which our sages did not dream of

Well yes !

[Alf]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: Alf

I am never tired of being amazed at the "logic" of some minusers ...

There is much in the world, friend Horatio, which our sages did not dream of

Dear colleague, congratulations! You, too, have two "fans", judging by the size of the cons-baldogonniki.

[bober1982]

Quote: sabakina

until the crew is fully prepared for departure, the engines will not start.

That's right, the crew must be wearing their seatbelt before starting the engine. On some types of aircraft (I don’t know about the Tu-22m3), the aircraft technician shows the crew receipts from the seat when the crew is preparing to launch.
But in any case, before launch, the crew must be strapped in and, after departure, they must free themselves from the harness only after turning off the engines and, the first step is to install the checks on the seat.

[K-36]

after departure - get rid of the harness only after turning off the engines and, the first step is to install the checks on the seat.

Uv.bober1982. Installation (or removal) of the ejection seat check is the OBLIGATION of the IAS technical staff (if my memory serves me right).

[bober1982]

Quote: K-36

Installation (or removal) of the ejection seat check is the OBLIGATION of the IAS technical staff (if my memory serves me right).

You are confusing something, or we are talking about different things. The crew removes the checks from the ejection handles and the emergency release handle of the flashlight, after they have fastened their seatbelt without fail and hands them over to the aircraft's equipment. You probably meant the chair itself.

[bober1982]

Quote: K-36

Installation (or removal)

Judge for yourself, when the crew takes a seat in the cockpit (for example, the Su-24), the first thing they do is buckle up, because it is not good to sit on the ejection seat unfastened, then the crew takes off the checks and hands them over to the technician, who is simply physically and technically uncomfortable and there is no need to remove the checks, this is the responsibility of the crew. And, then the crew, according to the Instruction, prepares for departure.
And, my admiration for you.

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

Then the crew removes the checks and hands them over to the technician, who is simply physically and technically inconvenient and there is no need to remove the checks, this is the responsibility of the crew.

As far as I remember the Su-24 and the K-36D (DM) seat, there is a very large bunch of ground checks. About 7 "fuses" and all of them are removed only by the technician in his sequence ... first before the pilot lands, then after the pilot lands and puts it in the same way.

[bober1982]

Quote: ancient

As far as I remember the Su-24 and the K-36D (DM) chair there is a very large bunch of ground checks. About 7 "fuses"

And, you propose to take this bundle on the flight, in what pocket of the overalls to put all this?

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

And, you propose to take this bundle on a flight

No ... on the Su-24 I am not suggesting, but on the Tu-22M they take it with them ... on the Tu-22 they also leave it on the ground.

[kit88]

Quote: bober1982

the crew removes the checks and hands them over to the technician, who is simply physically and technically inconvenient and there is no need to remove the checks, this is the responsibility of the crew

On the Su-27 (K-36DM), according to the RTO, it is also the duty of the aircraft technician to remove and put all checks.
In practice, he removes all of them except for the extreme, then moves a little further from the regulations and the extreme, which I apologize for the eggs, removes the pilot himself and transfers it to the technique.
Everything is put in the reverse order.

[bober1982]

Quote: kit88

In practice, he removes all of them except for the extreme, further deviates a little from the regulations and the extreme, which I apologize for the eggs costs

On the Su-24, the cockpit is wide, it will not even be able to reach with eggs, since the pilot removes his checks, and the navigator his own, and everything is transferred to the equipment.

[K-36]

Uv. bober1982. It was not necessary to closely intersect with the Tu-22M3 during service in aviation. My Areopagus is Su-25, Su-24, MiG-27, MiG-29, Su-17M3, M4. It was early. PDS in these shelves. I have never seen that when entering the cockpit (or getting out of it), the pilots performed any manipulations with the seat checks. Although I saw landing in the cockpit (and getting out of it) very many times. I have seen manipulations with checks many times only in TEC. Something like this.

[bober1982]

Quote: K-36

My Areopagus

Quote: K-36

Su-24,

And mine too.
My compliments to you.

[ancient]

Quote: K-36

Something like that.

I confirm .. before getting into the cockpit, the checks remain only in the "holders", and the rest are already hanging outside the cockpit. I sat down, completely "attached" and only then the technician himself removes them.

[Looking for]

absolutely true. And after taxiing into the parking lot, only after the technician has installed a check on the chair, the crew has the right to "get lost and get up" from the chair.

[yehat2]

Quote: K-36

M4

Tell us about your impressions of this aircraft.
very interesting

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

The crew removes the checks from the ejection handles and the emergency release handle of the flashlight, after they have fastened their seatbelt without fail and hands them over to the aircraft's equipment.

Not true .. on the Tu-22M the order is like this ... sat down in a chair, "got attached", connected and only after that the technician removes the checks., Shows you and puts them in the side "tablet PC

[bober1982]

Quote: ancient

on the Tu-22M the order is

I talked about the Su-24.

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

I talked about the Su-24.

But what about when you sit on the spare?

[bober1982]

Quote: ancient

But what about when you sit on the spare?

Then smoke bamboo (kidding)

[stas Sv]

Vladimir, have you at least once sat in the cockpit of s-that before departure to declare so categorically ??? Take off the three checks that are behind the headrest when you are in the harness, and I would neigh and put it in the YouTube.

[bober1982]

Quote: Stas Sv

Remove the checks that are behind the headrest

I talked about the checks on the ejection handles and the flashlight release handle. We read the comments inattentively.

Quote: Stas Sv

and posted it on youtuber.

And, compete with VDudy himself, I wish you success and likes.

[stas Sv]

I wish you too. Sorry, but I have been in aviation since 85 and still in the ranks. Do not be ill

[bober1982]

Quote: Stas Sv

Do not be ill

And, good health to you, from the bottom of my heart, I have been retired for a long time, the last time I took to the air 26 (twenty six) years ago, including taking these checks from the chair.

[ancient]

Quote: K-36

Uv.bober1982. Installation (or removal) of the ejection seat check is the OBLIGATION of the IAS technical staff (if my memory serves me right).

Absolutely right!!!!

[figwam]

Most likely, the pilot on the left did not eject at all, and therefore survived.

[ancient]

Quote: figvam

Most likely, the pilot on the left did not eject at all, and therefore survived.

Yes sir!

[stas Sv]

CC has the prerogative to catapult the "extreme" and only forcibly!!!, all the rest are "snapped out" on the machine. Read the Instructions.

[ancient]

Quote: Stas Sv

Read the Instructions.

On the Tu-22M K.K. leaves the aircraft ALWAYS .... "last", when forced and with individual ejection. And in compulsory work, you correctly write ... the operettor, navigator and pravak "go out" according to the scheme.

[stas Sv]

You spell it all right, but damn the word

"last"

I'm already bummed ...

[ancient]

Quote: Stas Sv

I'm already bummed ...

In vain ..... here the term is precisely "the last" .. since no one else will jump from this plane and it will never fly again, since for an airplane this is exactly ..2 the last flight "... and the last one is when. . in a "stall" in a museum or a pedestal.

[stas Sv]

Whatever you want and formulate. In aviation, the word "last" is not from the word quite!

[ancient]

Quote: Stas Sv

In aviation, the word "last" does not come from the word at all!

Are you telling me this .......? And the crew will be escorted in what way ...?

[stas Sv]

This is a completely different story. IMHO

[ancient]

Quote: bober1982

an aircraft technician shows the crew seat receipts as the crew prepares to launch.

Only "rocket" .... and chairlifts only with you ... if you sit on the spare, what will you need to insert the KSMT and levers? ... (you can't find enough studs ... joke).
Everything else is CORRECT I opened the lantern. They drove up "swiftly" and the technician gives a pillow and inserts the checks, and you give them to him or he himself takes it in the "side drawer"

[bober1982]

Quote: ancient

and chairlifts only with you.

This has never happened, except when landing at an operational airfield, or on business trips.

[loki565]

Like On Tu22m, the minimum ejection height is 0 and the speed is 130 km / h

[bayard]

These planes were undergoing major overhaul in Kazan ... maybe they did something with electronics ... Sorry for the people, condolences to the families.
Moreover, the regiment commander was killed ...

[ancient]

Quote: bayard

These aircraft were overhauled in Kazan

Well, in their TEC, they visit the regulations much more often than at the factory ... and there is no electronics there ... only electricity and mechanical kinematics

[ancient]

Quote: sabakina

But I think, until the crew is fully prepared for departure, the engines will not start.

This happened, especially at "events", when you give admission to .. "something" after a long break, and you yourself are still flying ... so the crew sits down ... waiting for you and when you have already taxied and jumped out of the cockpit and in a "gaz" you rush to your "ward", he starts starting the left engine and .. they are waiting for you ...
But this is if you give admission to the "bison", but with the young it was not done.

[Rushnairfors]

They didn't even have time to start the engines

[ancient]

Quote: Rushnairfors

They didn't even have time to start the engines

Dmitry .. glad to see ...... so what happened then ...... right during boarding the cockpit ...?

[Rushnairfors]

Good evening, mutually glad. After boarding the plane, as far as I know, they have not even started, they read the map, and away we go.

[Rushnairfors]

I think tomorrow they will bring it in more detail, KAP Vadim Vladimirovich B. taught me to fly on the left, I knew him from Vozdvizhenka, I am still in prostration, I refuse to believe it.

[ancient]

Quote: Rushnairfors

KAP Vadim Vladimirovich B

I don't know anyone anymore ... how many years have passed.
I can't understand one Beloslyudtsev regularly flies with the senior navigator of the AP ... here with the navigator ...... "take out" Deputy Komeska (okay, let's say), but ..... sh.o generally stray from Ryazan ... . this is how they "blinded" such a crew ????
Eternal Immortality ...

[Rushnairfors]

The Ryazan ones often fly up there, they have trouble with the planes, and on top of that, it is in Shaikovka that all the know-how is now being tested: Hephaestus2, a short story.

[Serg koma]

I'm not exactly sure - but until you buckle up, the ejection system does not work by default. Logically, rescuing a pilot who is not strapped in is guaranteed to kill him.

[ancient]

Quote: Serg Koma

I'm not sure exactly - but until you buckle up, the bailout system does not work by default

There is no such blocking.

[ancient]

Quote: Alf

Why the hell is that?

Because until the entire crew "sits down" in their places, they will not report on the readiness of the k.k. no body movements k.k. will not perform with fittings.
The only option is that Kom AP, if it flies as an instructor ... it is always delayed and the whole crew is already sitting in the cockpit and waiting for the instructor, and that's only after the instructor has landed and "tied" and received safety checks from his seat and closed the lamp. .... more music starts playing.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alf

Why the hell is that?

an abnormal situation occurred and catapults were triggered

Did the catapults go off on their own and the crew were not wearing their seatbelt?

one of the pilots, unlike his comrades, managed to fasten his seat belt.

And after that he began to buckle up?
Isn't that crap?
Those who wrote this need to break off their fingers so that they no longer touch the keyboard. As my squadron commander said - "born to crawl, don't get confused on the runway"

[Lptsk]

Because the checks are removed after fastening the hanging one. If only the technician violated the regulations and removed the checks before fastening and the commander pressed the forced exit. But in this case, 3 units go away, and the commander himself pulls the handle. All this is strange.

[Rushnairfors]

Of course, crap, the system of forced abandonment was triggered there, while all the EEs are ejected, and the commander jumps from his drives. That is why everyone except the commander died, but he remained alive, he simply did not eject.

[Bashkirkhan]

there is information, has the board been under repair for a long time in Kazan?

[ancient]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Of course crap, the forced exit system worked there

It was immediately clear .. only at what stage did it happen ..... during landing or when everyone had already closed, rolled back the ladders and prepared for launch?

[figwam]

Quote: Rushnairfors

and the commander jumps from his drives. That is why everyone except the commander died, but he remained alive, he simply did not eject.

The commander, as an instructor, sat on the right, he died, as did the operator and navigator, and the pilot who sat on the left survived, he did not eject, because compulsory does not apply to him.

[ancient]

Quote: figvam

Commander

The one who sits on the left is the Commander of the ship, and on the right sits either P.K.K or the instructor ... in this flight from the instructor's seat the AP Commander himself should have flown.

[figwam]

Quote: ancient

fly the AP Commander himself

I meant the commander of the regiment.

[Serg koma]

Quote: figvam

he did not catapult,

From the report:

Thanks to this coincidence, he survived.
After the accident, the pilot was taken to the medical unit in Shaikovka, where he received medical assistance.

Medical assistance can be provided by - traumatologist; cardiologist; neuropsychiatrist, etc. Don't speculate on the tragedy. Let's wait for an official statement based on the investigation materials.

[d4rkmesa]

Isn't that the one who "catapulted" the rest?

[Stone]

Perhaps, I also thought about it, but while there is no official data from the investigation, we will not voice such and similar assumptions.

[Alexander 3]

You can forcibly catapult from the commander's seat. In this place sat a survivor, he is also a trainee. He catapulted everyone, including himself. He alone was fastened.

[ancient]

Quote: Alexander 3

You can forcibly eject from the commander's seat

It is fundamentally wrong .. on this type of KK, regardless of the method of ejection .. leaves the plane only in MANUAL mode, even if for all turned on "forced".

[Alexander 3]

The modernized machine is probably not all the same as on the others. Let's wait.

[ancient]

Quote: Alexander 3

The modernized car is probably not all the same as on the others

The car is standard .. there are no changes in the emergency escape system. Most likely, there may be some "... stray currents" ..... I switched on the whole ARP block with a common lever and ...... "bangs" .. everyone went to the exit "... I can't go anywhere else .. "to think up ..... not the k.k. itself. cut this "duchek" forcibly.

[26rus]

Couldn't there be any mechanical short circuit in the electrical target? At our ARZ, once upon a flight of the Tu-154, a tiny "snot" of solder in the SHR of the steering column current collector came off. As a result, the short circuit between the legs of the ShR, on the glide path the PIC presses the "Radio" button, and the "Leave" button is triggered.

[ancient]

Quote: 26rus

Couldn't there be any mechanical short circuit in the electrical target?

There can be any options ... because all AZRs (between the green seats) are turned on in the cockpits with a packet switch (both for pilots and navigators) and all networks immediately become energized ... everything is possible here

[Serg koma]

Quote: ancient

cut this "duchek" forcibly.

It is also necessary to get to the "duchka", i.e. perform several deliberate (in this case malicious) operations to launch the bailout system. Accidentally "confuse" - it is unlikely to succeed, they are in a place (have special protective restraints) excluding accidental activation when in contact with equipment / body.

[ancient]

Quote: Serg Koma

You also need to get to the "duchka"

And what is the difficulty or the problem ... in .. "get there?"
You remove the left hand from the horn and 35 cm to the left ... next to the remote control system ... with your index finger you remove the safety caps from the switches of the signal boards and with the same finger you also turn on the "forced" switch.
Backtracking flies with a little effort .... what's the problem?

[Serg koma]

Quote: ancient

And what is the difficulty or the problem ..

You yourself have put everything "on the shelves".
Actions (and there are several of them) must be CONSCIOUSLY deliberate, therefore randomness "on" unlikely.

[Doliva63]

Quote: ancient

Quote: Serg Koma

You also need to get to the "duchka"

And what is the difficulty or the problem ... in .. "get there?"
You remove the left hand from the horn and 35 cm to the left ... next to the remote control system ... with your index finger you remove the safety caps from the switches of the signal boards and with the same finger you also turn on the "forced" switch.
Backtracking flies with a little effort .... what's the problem?

Nobody touched the switch. Under the office. Apparently, the problem is at the gas station.

[ancient]

Quote: Doliva63

Nobody touched the switch. Under the office. Apparently, the problem is at the gas station.

Yes, this is understandable .. just explained to a friend that turning on the "druchki" is not a problem ... just why ???

[Alexander 3]

Error the commander did not eject.

[Serg koma]

Quote: d4rkmesa

Isn't that the one who "catapulted" the rest?

Only the commander can catapult ALL automatically (in manual mode). Who was sitting in the left seat, the inspector, or the person being inspected can soon be found out from the materials of the investigation, as well as in consequence of what / whom the automatic ejection system was triggered. Now it is too early to speculate and make accusations!

[Looking for]

all the more so all units in the whole state-get to the bottom quickly.

[Ros 56]

I did not understand that the pilots were not wearing their seatbelt. And what is the NPP written for?

[bober1982]

Quote: Ros 56

And what is the NPP written for?

Not the NPP, but the Instruction to the crew, where all the actions of the crew are described.

[Yuri VO]

[One of the pilots, unlike his comrades, managed to fasten his seat belt. The rest of the crew at that moment were just going to do it. Thanks to this coincidence, he survived] Ridiculous mistake. Sorry for the whole crew. Condolences to family and friends. Convalescence to the survivor.

[Thrifty]

So what exactly happened? How and why did the catapults work? Why were the rest of the crew not wearing their seatbelt if the plane had to start accelerating and taking off? ????

[donavi49]

Was he supposed to start accelerating and taking off? And in general how is the board? For example, if it is after the regulations, then they might not have fastened in order to fill the magazine more conveniently. And there is no hurry.

Plus, again, out of habit, they could have strapped themselves in already at taxiing, when performing a control map before takeoff. And the first, for launch, should be done according to a convenient, abbreviated procedure. So by the way, comers do and BTA also en masse. But it's easier there, if anything, then on the contrary, you have to unfasten to leave the plane.

[ancient]

Quote: donavi49

For example, if it is after the regulations, then they might not have fastened in order to fill the magazine more conveniently

The pre-flight preparation logs are "filled in" before boarding the cockpit and at the end of the flight and taxiing into the parking lot, again on the ground.

Quote: donavi49

Plus, again, out of habit, they could have strapped themselves in already at taxiing, when performing a control map before takeoff.

This can never be ....., and prayers are "read" before launch, after launch before taxiing, at the preliminary and final launch ... during the taxiing process, the operation of the braking system, the release of flaps and slats, the wing shifting mechanism is checked and monitored and the work of the GS and the VS ... with the recording on the MS .. well and .. "answer" to the "chatter" of Rita.

[Guru]

The Tu-22M3 missile carrier is a modified version of the Tu-22M long-range strategic bomber.

I think the investigating authorities will answer the question "How could this even happen"

[Bashkirkhan]

And the question is whether the aircraft has been undergoing repairs at the Kazan aircraft plant for a long time.

[Novichek]

And in general, did you pass it?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Novichek)

And in general, did you pass it?

Or rather, how it went.

[Fitter65]

Before an abnormal situation occurred on the Tu-22M3 long-range strategic bomber and catapults went off, one of the pilots, unlike his comrades, managed to fasten his seat belt. The rest of the crew at that moment were just going to do it. Thanks to this coincidence, he survived.

That is ... The reason is most likely in the wrong actions of one crew member, who accidentally activated his ejection seat, and the rest worked as expected ... Once again, condolences to the families and friends of the victims

[Gardener91]

Quote: Fitter65

The reason is most likely in the wrong actions of one crew member, who accidentally activated his ejection seat

There was a case in my memory when one strap of the waist bridle hit the eye of the ejection control handle and the pilot, pulling it to the central lock of the harness, activated the APS. There was no check on the ground - damn haste ...

[Rushnairfors]

No, this is definitely not the reason. There are two types of ejection on Tu22m3: separate and forced. Separate this is when someone from the ChE used the drives in his chair and "left the office", while everyone else is on the plane. But the forced ejection is used by the ship commander at his own discretion in cases that do not tolerate delay, for example, when the flight takes place at low altitudes or the aircraft is destroyed in flight, well, etc., while the spacecraft ejection of the entire crew with the help of switches at its workplace , these switches are under the cap and are locked and "TOUCH THEM BY ACCIDENTAL", he could not, preliminarily incline to a short circuit on the plane in the electrical circuit of the forced-out system, which led to its abnormal operation

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: Rushnairfors

preliminarily tend to short-circuit on the plane in the electrical circuit of the forced-out system, which led to its abnormal operation

The only sensible comment on the topic of the publication.

[Klingon]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Piramidon

Before an abnormal situation occurred on the Tu-22M3 long-range strategic bomber and catapults went off, one of the pilots, unlike his comrades, managed to fasten his seat belt. The rest of the crew at that moment were just going to do it.

Some crap

Why the hell is that?

looks like gouging or ...

[Alf]

Quote: Klingon

Quote: Alf

Quote: Piramidon

Before an abnormal situation occurred on the Tu-22M3 long-range strategic bomber and catapults went off, one of the pilots, unlike his comrades, managed to fasten his seat belt. The rest of the crew at that moment were just going to do it.

Some crap

Why the hell is that?

looks like gouging or ...

Likely.

[Rushnairfors]

Most likely you do not understand what you are discussing, forgive me for the harshness, it is just that very worthy men died there today, including one gentleman of the "man" - legendary navigator YES

[Alf]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Most likely you do not understand what you are discussing.

What exactly do we not understand? Yes, people died, high-class pilots, but even the most prestigious professional is not immune from mistakes, and mistakes due to negligence. And very often professionals make mistakes because of "I am a pro, I know." It was not for nothing that in the Second World War sappers, who removed a couple of hundred mines, were sent to build bridges to get rid of "I can do anything."

[Rushnairfors]

Because the system of forced abandonment is a serious thing and it is quite well protected from accidental impact on it (the switches are located under the cap, which is locked and it is worth the effort to break the lock), and you write about SPOOL! I'll tell you more: even in order to activate the system of individual abandonment, you need to make considerable physical efforts, that is, something accidentally "touch", "not see", "hook" and so on does not work here, otherwise such Emergencies would have happened with enviable regularity. Here, there is a refusal of aircraft equipment and not the carelessness of the crew. It is now clear? I apologize if I answered sharply, it was just that there were people close to me, one of them taught me how to fly on Tu22

[Alf]

Quote: Rushnairfors

I apologize if I answered sharply,

And then he answered sharply? It's okay, no problem.
Sloppiness means that the pilots are not wearing their seatbelt. That’s what it’s about, not the system’s triggering.

[Rushnairfors]

They were fastened, "went out normally" in the seats, the system worked for 5+, but the KT-1 does not provide in this case the rescue of the crew, unlike the same K-36

[ancient]

Quote: Rushnairfors

and it is quite well protected from accidental impact on it (the switches are located under the cap, which is locked and it is worth the effort to break the lock),

So exactly

I FULLY subscribe to everything that has been said below ... there is nothing to add

[not main]

Quote: Rushnairfors

Here we see the refusal of aircraft and not the carelessness of the crew. It is now clear? I apologize if I answered sharply, it was just that there were people close to me, one of them taught me how to fly on Tu22

My condolences. But as practice teaches, the crew will be blamed first of all! Whoever was there. It's good if they find a reason! And if not? Then version number one ...

[Klingon]

in 2010, we took courses on fire safety, the head of security, during the demonstration, tore the seal from the fire extinguisher fuse, and did not remove his head, the valve plug flew out and straight into the forehead. - killed him. And it’s not the first year that people have worked in the fire brigade. What is this if not carelessness? so here, yes, pilots, yes, we are sorry, but one of them apparently violated safety precautions, which led to a tragic death

[vik669]

Each accident has a name, surname and position

[Klingon]

no need to translate arrows into philosophy, call everything by its proper names

[K-36]

Quote: Alf

Quote: Piramidon

Before an abnormal situation occurred on the Tu-22M3 long-range strategic bomber and catapults went off, one of the pilots, unlike his comrades, managed to fasten his seat belt. The rest of the crew at that moment were just going to do it.

Some crap

Why the hell is that?

Because no ejection seat has a SEAT BELT! Therefore, crap (with the filing of journalists). None of them (zhurnalizDov) said clearly: was the plane in the air or was it on the ground?!?

[Barmal]

None of them (zhurnalizDov) said clearly: was the plane in the air or was it on the ground?!? am

somewhere there is information about the crash of this plane?

[New Year day]

Quote: Barmal

somewhere there is information about the crash of this plane?

"During the planned preparation on the ground for the flight, an abnormal operation of the catapult occurred. Due to insufficient altitude, the pilots received injuries incompatible with life," RIA Novosti

[Barmal]

I'm in the subject, it was a question for K-36 (Victor)

[Serg koma]

Quote: Silvestr

Due to insufficient height

The Tu-22M system works and saves at zero altitude.

Ejection is possible during takeoff run or run on the ground, at a speed of at least 130 km / h (for guaranteed breakdown of entrance hatches by air flow), in flight at speeds up to the maximum and practical ceiling.

In this case, speed is a must.
Journalists just to drive out the Old - "from unnamed sources"; "reliable sources" and the like.

[Lptsk]

Stood on the ground. The air force is launched. It is not clear, that is, it does not converge, then that the 3f is not fastened. one strapped on. Well, this is beyond the bounds, that is, the startech pulled out checks before that. Then, if the forced exit system was triggered, then those who were not fastened during the ejection were scattered to pieces. The feet would have tightened, but the shoulders and legs would not be in the lock. And there I have already filled the dome or not. And the start if he was on the stepladder was muffled and scorched.

[jaroff]

Is there any information in which chair the survivor was sitting? If in the left cup, then the version about the accidental forced ejection from the button at the CC becomes more or less intelligible

[Knell wardenheart]

Not a month has passed with us some kind of aircraft accident or serious accident ..

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Not a month has passed with us some kind of aircraft accident or serious accident ..

I would like to say that who does not do anything. he is not wrong ..But somehow these mistakes are sickening ... The people who perished stand behind them ... Human woe ...

[Novichek]

And we are still amazed how in 41, in the first two months of the war, they were so "shocked" ...

[asadullin.v1957]

In the KT-1 chair on the Tu-22m, the last blocking is removed, if my memory serves me, at a speed of 130 km / h

[Rushnairfors]

There are no speed locks, or rather, there is one close to the figure that you announced, but this is not a lock, but a restriction in the use of the ejection system: "a safe escape ON THE GROUND is possible at a speed of at least 140 km / h, and the plane was parked

[Bshkaus]

Damn, the death of the rest was a sheet: the guys were simply thrown out of the cab to a wild height. There all the bones and internal organs in a mush. The group system for leaving the plane must either be canceled now, or made impossible in unacceptable modes by mechanically breaking the circuit

[shubin]

I am a person far from aviation, but once I read that on the TU-22 bailouts are going down, and if this is so, then the pilots should have simply been driven into the ground. A terrible death, if it really is. Condolences to family and friends.

[New Year day]

Quote: shubin

on the TU-22 the bailout is going down

In the 72nd, the navigator was catapulted into the ground

[Rushnairfors]

This is on Tu-22 old ones, some m3, not even on "M" in general, it was "awl", you can say a completely different plane

[New Year day]

Quote: Rushnairfors

This is on the Tu-22

Quite right Tu-22

[Volga073]

You are definitely distant!
All catapults are working upwards!

[Viktor Afanasev]

Sorry guys.
I hope the families will be helped.

[Rushnairfors]

They will help, they are already helping!

[jaroff]

The survivor was sitting in the left cup, if the commission, when inspecting the cabin, discovers that both forced exit tubes are turned on and the lock is torn off, then he may regret that he remained alive

[ancient]

Quote: zharyoff

that both forced exit tubes are on and the lock is torn off

There is one toggle switch and next to it there are 2 toggle switches that turn on signal panels in the "rear" cockpit (for sh-o and sh.k.), the photo is posted above.

[trahterist]

Quote: NIKNN

had time to buckle up seat belt.

Actually a harness. Only it is not clear when and who removes the checks from the seat, as if after the pilot is wearing his seat belt this should happen.

Niggles in the title Are irrelevant.
Who understands, will understand what it is about.

[Escobar]

“An American thinks on the move, a German - while standing, an Englishman - sitting, and a Russian - later.” S. Again investigation, when something has already happened. Who is in the subject, explain, should the planes undergo scheduled maintenance checks? Where the inspectors looked.

[kig]

It's still incomprehensible. It has been written many times that the TU-22 seats do not provide salvation when ejected from the ground - so what does the belt have to do with it?

[Volga073]

They lie. And they also work from the ground.
What if there was a fire at the start?

[Volga073]

The commander pressed the toggle switch!
I wanted to get out of my way - I spent 30 years at the headquarters!

[Rushnairfors]

Volga are you normal at all ???? Or do you only write to write? I haven't heard such nonsense from anyone else

[Vanyusha]

The day before, there was probably a banquet with the inspector, where he promised the regiment to scold him. So the commander pressed the button.

[Rushnairfors]

Another abortion victim

[HaByxoDaBHocep]

As I understood from the comments and the description of the chair's operation on the Internet, it does not provide an automatic response system, for example, as on the Yak-38, here is an excerpt from Wikipedia “It also has a unique system of automatic pilot ejection (SAK) in emergency situations (in particular , engine failure or jet control) at low speeds and hovering mode (no other aircraft of domestic aviation has a fully automatic escape system, which is decisive for the pilot) ", accordingly, only someone from the crew could give the command to eject

[MakStVik]

Nonsense. Catapult KT-1M does not save at 0 altitude and 0 speed. Minimum speed at 0 - 130 km / h. Everyone was fastened, the forced force worked, the PIC ejected himself.

[GEOID]

There was such information.
https://valcat-8.livejournal.com/41460.html
Fencer said: ©

On one aviation site, they already write about sabotage and a quarrel in the crew, and the crew commander, as a result of a quarrel between the other three crew members, took and was forced to catapult them on the ground - what to take from the sofa experts ...

"Here's more about the recent On the state of emergency at the TU-22mZ in Shaikovka

This is all about discussion from the forum, i.e. - the people still did not have any information. And I told you what the navigator from that regiment in Shaikovki sent by SMS to my navigator, who called me specifically. I asked him twice about the position of the Forced Departure toggle switch ... what position was he in? He firmly told me twice - was in the "On" position ..! And as soon as all the gas stations (and AZRs) were turned on, the system immediately worked (the navigator said there was nothing "abnormal", the bailout system worked completely normally). But why the "Forced Leaving" toggle switches were turned on, he himself could not explain it ... there were no malfunctions, such as an accidental closure of the system or some kind of short circuit ... There was only one open question - why was this main switch "Forced leaving" turned on ..? Whether through an oversight, or for some other reason ... "