Catapults worked abnormally: Three military pilots died near Kaluga

An emergency with a long-range Tu-22M3 bomber happened at a military airfield near Kaluga, as a result, three soldiers were killed. It is reported by TASS with reference to the source in power structures.

At the moment, information coming from various sources differs. According to one version, the bomber crashed during landing, according to another, catapults were triggered when the engines of the Tu-22M3 standing on the ground were started, which, in turn, led to the death of three military pilots, including the regiment commander.

Catapults were triggered on the ground when the engines were started. Three people were killed, including the regiment commander, who was sitting in the instructor's place

- the agency leads the words of the source.

Previously announced information that the plane crashed during landing was not confirmed, the Tu-22M3 was just preparing to take off.

The Ministry of Defense confirmed the death of three crew members of the Tu-22M3 long-range bomber.

On March 23, during the planned preparation on the ground for the Tu-22M3 flight, an abnormal operation of the ejection system occurred at an airfield in the Kaluga region. Due to insufficient height for the deployment of parachutes, three crew members received injuries incompatible with life upon landing

- it is spoken in the message of military department.

A special commission of the Russian Aerospace Forces has been sent to the airfield, which will investigate all the circumstances of the incident.

Comments

[The leader of the Redskins]

I repeat, as on the next branch - tragic news.
I express my condolences to the relatives and friends of the deceased pilots.

[KAV]

Technique, what would it ... Sorry guys. My sincere condolences to family and friends.

[mitroha]

Condolences to the relatives of the victims. Heavenly angels increased

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Mitroha

Heavenly angels increased

Yes sir! We flew to Kabul on a teddy bear, or rather they took us wounded animals to a Kabul hospital, three on a paramidol and two of us walking .. We look at the teplukhs and then they shoot dynts, dynts, I go to the pilots, what are the guys here? we will be angels, we are closer to heaven "....

Let's remember ..

[wow]

Go to "ukrainovsky" - read .... Dog barking!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: yo-mine

Go to "ukrainovsky" - read .... Dog barking!

I'm not very much for them ...

[Kaman]

Our deepest condolences to the families of the victims. I went to the English-language military forum now. There was not a single comment in the spirit of "one less".

[mitroha]

Quote: Kaman

Our deepest condolences to the families of the victims. I went to the English-language military forum now. There was not a single comment in the spirit of "one less".

Hopefully we will find out all the information soon. Someone seems to have survived

[akarfoxhound]

AVIAINCIDENT, [23.03.21 17:13]
SHAIKOVKA. TU22M3 - PRELIMINARY REPORT.

The composition of the crew, mainly the bosses:
The commander of the ship is the deputy commander of the air squadron, Major;
pilot-instructor regiment commander Colonel;
navigator of the ship; navigator of the regiment, Major;
navigator-instructor navigator-inspector 00 PPI and PLC Lieutenant Colonel.

In preparation for the exercise flight, after launching the APU and working with the cockpit equipment, the commander of the ship, who is the deputy squadron commander, switched on all machine guns on the AZR panel with the lever of the packet switch. At the same time, the system of forced departure of the crew was triggered according to the standard scheme (the commander of the ship leaves the plane on his own).

When the forced exit system was triggered, four lantern covers were dropped and three crew members were ejected. The mechanisms of the ejection seats worked normally, the separation of the crew members and the launching of the rescue parachutes took place normally, but due to the lack of conditions for safely leaving the aircraft (speed less than 130 km / h), the canopies of the parachutes were not filled.

Three crew members were killed when they fell onto the concrete surface of the aircraft parking lot at high vertical speed. Chairs KT-1M.

KT-1M is an ejection seat developed by the Tupolev Design Bureau. Currently installed on Tu-22M3 and Tu-22MR aircraft. The abbreviation KT-1M means "Tupolev's first modified armchair".

Each member of the Tu-22M crew is equipped with a KT-1M ejection seat with a PS-T three-stage parachute system mounted in the seat.

Ejection is carried out upward, facing the stream, face protection is carried out by a GSH-6A pressurized helmet, which is part of the BMCK-2M protective suit, adopted as standard equipment for the crew, or a ZSH-3 protective helmet (in the latter case, the crew is dressed in standard flight uniforms for the season , additionally put on a rescue harness of the ASP-74 type).

Ejection is carried out in the following sequence: operator, navigator, right pilot, ship commander. Both individual and forced ejection are provided.

Forced ejection of the crew is performed by the commander, for which it is enough to lift the cap and turn on the “Forced exit” toggle switch on the left side of the cockpit.

At the same time, a red banner "Forced leaving" lights up at each workplace and the EMRV-27B-1 time relay for the seats of the right pilot, navigator-navigator and navigator-operator, which are set for a time corresponding to 3,6 s, 1,8 s , 0,3 s.

After 0,3 s, the time relays trigger the EK-69 pneumatic system electrovalve on the navigator-operator's seat, while the “Manufacturing” system is triggered on the seat (triggering the arms and legs scatter limiters and tightening the seat belts) and pressing the limit switch for resetting the lantern cover.

When the "Manufacturing" system is triggered, the ACh-1,2 temporary automatic machine is activated on the chair, which after 1 s pulls out the combat pin of the firing mechanism.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Knapsack thrusters in addition to parachutes ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Knapsack thrusters in addition to parachutes ...

Tu-22M3 entered service in 1978 and was produced until 1993. I don’t know what kind of catapults were on this aircraft, but for many years Aviation has used catapults that provide normal opening of the parachute when it is triggered, starting from zero altitude, and zero speed and ending with supersonic speeds.
For example, K-36DM (installed on MiG-29, Su-24, Su-27, Su-30, Su-34, Tu-160, etc.):
• Safety of leaving the aircraft in case of an accident in the altitude range - 0 ... 20 km
• The ejection seat provides rescue of a crew member in the speed range 0 ... 1300 km / h, M numbers up to 2.5, including take-off, after-landing run. [2]

The article did not write that the fourth crew member survived and was hospitalized. That is, it catapulted all four.

[figwam]

Quote: Bad_gr

The article was not written, but the fourth crew member survived and was hospitalized.

They write that he was the only one who had time to fully buckle up.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: figvam

They write that he was the only one who had time to fully buckle up.

I also thought about it, that it was not the height that was to blame, but the fact that by the time the engines were started, people were not wearing their seatbelts.

[NIKN]

It is sad that people die like this out of nothing in essence. My deepest condolences.
I also don’t know for sure either the procedure for preparing for the flight, or the model of the seats. Chairs of the previous generation Km-1M like (I'm getting old) with H = 0 V = 100 there were limitations, cases of ejection from a parking lot happened and worked from zero. Well, it's all lyrics, here it seems they were not fastened. Our technician pulled out checks only before closing the lantern, already before taxiing out. As they do not know ...

[ancient]

Quote: Bad_gr

I thought the same about it

Well, in vain ...

[Serg koma]

[quote] Bailouts are carried out in the following sequence: operator, navigator, right pilot, ship commander... Both individual and forced bailouts are provided. [/ Quote]
[quote] Forced crew ejection is performed by the commander [/ quote]
[quote] for the seats of the right pilot, navigator-navigator and navigator-operator, which are set for a time corresponding to 3,6 s, 1,8 s, 0,3 s. [/ quote]
[Quote]The commander is the last to eject, manually triggering the ejection drives on the seat. Forced ejection is the main one, individual ejection is the reserve one./ Quote]
[quote] Bailouts are carried out upward, facing the stream [/ quote]

[ancient]

Quote: figvam

They write that he was the only one who had time to fully buckle up.

This is complete nonsense .., people write in general .. not competent in this matter.
Since when entering the cockpit, the first thing to do is get a pillow from under the priests (so as not to get the cup with NAZ dirty when getting into the chair and exiting the cockpit), then the technician helps you to get into the hanging one and put on the shoulder straps ... you fully fasten (checkpoint , KM, GSH hoses) and only after that the technician pulls out the tourniquet with safety checks and gives them to you and you signal to him that you can close the lantern ... and so for each crew member ... but only then ... a report on the readiness of all crew members ..... reading the "prayer" before launching and .... the launch itself.
No other way.
The only thing when they did not wear it on the "race" of the engines.

[figwam]

Quote: ancient

This is complete nonsense.

Yes, now it is clear, everyone was fastened, and the left pilot, in place of K.K. did not leave the plane, so he survived.

[ancient]

Quote: figvam

Yes, now it is clear, everyone was fastened, and the left pilot, in place of K.K. did not leave the plane, so he survived.

Theoretically, yes ... but still there is a possibility that the c.c. just the first time to "get attached", well, the rest were in the .. "process" and then ... something happened ... with such consequences.
We must wait for the results of at least some ... or information from ...

[figwam]

Quote: ancient

We must wait for the results

Yes, I agree, there are such cases that you just can't believe how this could happen.

[ancient]

Quote: Bad_gr

The article did not write that the fourth crew member survived and was hospitalized. That is, it catapulted all four.

The 4th crew member did not eject, because from the place of K.K it is possible to "exit" only ... in manual (individual mode), even when the forced ejection system is operating.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: ancient

4th crew member and not ejected

I already figured it out. But in the articles (https://topwar.ru/181187-pojavilis-dannye-o-spasenii-chlena-jekipazha-raketonosca-tu-22.html) develop the version that the fourth member of the crew survived due to the fact that he fastened his seat belt.

[ancient]

Quote: Bad_gr

develop the version that the fourth member of the crew survived due to the fact that he buckled up.

Now I'm going to read it ", but ... this is complete nonsense!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Bad_gr

Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke

Knapsack thrusters in addition to parachutes ...

Tu-22M3 entered service in 1978 and was produced until 1993. I don’t know what kind of catapults were on this aircraft, but for many years Aviation has used catapults that provide normal opening of the parachute when it is triggered, starting from zero altitude, and zero speed and ending with supersonic speeds.
For example, K-36DM (installed on MiG-29, Su-24, Su-27, Su-30, Su-34, Tu-160, etc.):
• Safety of leaving the aircraft in case of an accident in the altitude range - 0 ... 20 km
• The ejection seat provides rescue of a crew member in the speed range 0 ... 1300 km / h, M numbers up to 2.5, including take-off, after-landing run. [2]

The article did not write that the fourth crew member survived and was hospitalized. That is, it catapulted all four.

I remember in Le Bourget the pilot ejected at an angle and almost from 5 meters

[Thrifty]

It does not fit into my head that the device for rescuing the pilot has become a "killer"! I hope that there will be an impartial investigation, because there should not be that we also lose because of the catapult of pilots. ...

[yehat2]

Quote: Thrifty

It does not fit into my head that the device for the rescue of the pilot has become a "killer

if I am not mistaken, they are catapulted down.
such a design

[210ox]

This is on Tu 22. Although I'm not sure about the M3 .. It's not ice at all to eject from zero altitude.

[figwam]

Quote: 210ox

This is on Tu 22

Yes, this is on old machines, these no longer fly.

[Sevastiec]

On all modern machines, there are catapults operating from zero height and speed. Here they wrote above that the only survivor just had time to buckle up.

[Sevastiec]

This is the first Tu-22.

[Alien From]

This is some kind of nightmare! Family and friends of condolences (((((((((((

[WHAT IS]

My condolences to the relatives of the pilots.

[Alien From]

No words! Today I just keep quiet and do not comment on anything, as a sign of respect for the victims!

[Real Pilot]

What a horror!
Condolences to relatives.
Tragedy due to equipment failure ... The loss of the defenders of the Motherland is a shame and a pity!
Eternal flight to the heavens good luck in heaven!

[Vladimir_2U]

Damn, how bad it is! Condolences !!! How does it even happen, did it work abnormally? The most reliable thing that should be an aircraft and abnormal, but how so ?!

[figwam]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

How does it even happen, did it work abnormally?

I don’t remember such an accidental refusal. Condolences to relatives. Why did the squibs work abnormally? Now only the investigation will figure it out, but for now, flights will be banned.

[Orange bigg]

The RF Ministry of Defense confirmed. Condolences to the families of the victims.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation confirmed the death of three people as a result of an emergency with a long-range Tu-22M bomber in the Kaluga region. This was announced on Tuesday, March 23rd, the press service of the department reported.

According to the ministry, during the planned preparation of the aircraft for flight, an abnormal operation of the ejection system occurred.

“Due to the insufficient height to deploy the parachutes, three crew members received injuries incompatible with life upon landing,” the department stressed.

At the moment, a commission of the Russian Aerospace Forces has left the airfield to conduct a technical survey of the aircraft and establish the causes of the incident.

https://iz.ru/1140993/2021-03-23/minoborony-podtverdilo-gibel-trekh-chelovek-v-rezultate-chp-s-tu-22m3

[ancient]

Quote: figvam

I don’t remember such an accidental refusal.

1993, Smolensk-Severny, command flights of 9 hiad.
Upon completion of the flights, a flight to the base in Shaikovka. The extreme (or rather the last flight) at 9-51 was performed by the squadron commander Ivan Konev (behind) and his deputy squadron commander Viktor Laktyushin, 73 giap.
Immediately after the start of the HELL, abnormal operation of the ejection system.
Kornev died right away (struck a flashlight with his head), well, there was an uncleaned periscope above his knees, and Laktyushin carried the flashlight on himself ........ lived after landing for several minutes ...
Eternal memory to the men ... what were the pilots and .. MEN !!!

[ancient]

Quote: ancient

Konev

I beg your pardon ... Ivan Kornev ... eternal memory ... I knew both personally ... I knew well ...

[knn54]

Peace to their souls. But:
engine start and catapult are NOT connected in ANY way
The igniters are checked / installed before departure, which means a mess in the engineering service or ???, And was there a "shooting" of the cockpit cap?
Strategic bomber-and if a spontaneous missile launch ???

[ancient]

Quote: knn54

Ignition cartridges are checked / installed before departure

On KT-1K they are CONSTANTLY.

Quote: knn54

And was there a "shooting" of the cockpit cap?

Structurally, it is not provided for .... there are pyro pushers extending by ...... mm, and then the high-speed pressure .. therefore, there are restrictions on dropping the frontar at a speed of at least 130 km / h.

Quote: knn54

Strategic bomber-and if a spontaneous missile launch ???

The bobmbarder is long-range and for the launch of the AKR it is necessary to perform .. "sufficient" number of "operations".
And to dump like a blank (emergency) ... easily.

[Blacksmith 55]

Yes, not good.
Condolences to relatives.

[lucul]

Smacks of sabotage.

[eleronn]

Sorry for the crew, an absurd tragedy. But sabotage here does not smell, this is carelessness! The ejection seat will NEVER operate on its own. Either the terms of routine maintenance and scheduled checks were violated, or they were performed with violations, or an error of personnel (or flight or technical) when landing in the cockpit and removing the set of fuses from the ejection seats. I see no other reason. My condolences to family and friends ...

[figwam]

Quote: eleronn

when entering the cockpit and removing the set of fuses from the ejection seats.

Before takeoff, all checks from the seats must be removed, but who after that who could pull the ejection handles is not clear and it is not known whether the lantern flaps fired back or not?

[kristofer]

"Due to insufficient height to deploy the parachutes, three crew members were injured upon landing, incompatible with life" - it looks like they shot back

[ancient]

Quote: kristofer

"Due to insufficient height to deploy the parachutes, three crew members were injured upon landing, incompatible with life."

Some inaccuracy in the information is hidden here, since theoretically the chair provides "work" with the parameters 0/0 in the gp mode. and on the ground at a speed of at least 130 km / h (discharge of the cab lights).

[orionvitt]

Quote: figvam

only who after that could pull the bailout handles is unclear

All three?

[ancient]

Quote: figvam

only who after that who could pull the ejection handles is not clear and it is not known whether the shutters of the lantern fired back or not?

Here, the escape system works on a different principle ... you at least pull the ejection levers ... nothing will happen ... because before that you have to manually reset the flashlight (1 I block the KSMT is removed) (with only an external grip) otherwise you will remain without a forearm (arm spread limiter .. will beat).
And if individually .. then the one who pulled the levers jumps .. and here the third jumped, then the problem is in the forced ejection system.

[ancient]

Quote: eleronn

when entering the cockpit and removing the set of fuses from the ejection seats.

Safety checks (3), connected with a single harness, are removed after already fastening all the belts.
If at least one check is not withdrawn .. then this bailout system will not work.

[Clear]

Quote: lucul

Smacks of sabotage.

Let's wait for the results of the investigation.
My condolences.

[Prisoner]

In principle, a good excuse for the engineering service. Sabotage mol.

[ivanec]

Thinking of a CIA cyber attack?

[Thrifty]

Rest in peace to them! My deepest and most sincere condolences to the family and colleagues of the deceased crew members!

[Thrifty]

Admins, please remove the rating under the article - now it doesn't belong here. ..

[URAL72]

Thrifty! How many comments, and all so sugary ... In my opinion, you do not belong here. The plus sign hunter. We'd better keep quiet. And all that is necessary for the family, colleagues will say. Not you.

[Thrifty]

URAL72 - don't tell me what to do, and I won't tell you where to go! Is there something to write after the incident, or are only clever people able to throw?

[Hunter 2]

Sincere condolences to the relatives, friends and fellow soldiers of the fallen pilots ... I grieve with you.
Three people died, including the Regiment Commander, who was sitting in the place of the instructor "- what kind of people are we losing?

[LiSiCyn]

Hi Aleksey.
Yes, the news is hard ... Condolences to the families and colleagues, the fallen pilots.
It is necessary to ask comrade Dmitry (Rushenairfors) for details, he is 100%.

[Dude]

Solidarity ... Condolences to loved ones. It is very bad when the state of emergency is in the elite, in fact, units. It is doubly tragic when we lose people in the process. Moreover, such masters.

[mortido]

Like a butt ..., be it not okay, very sorry for the victims. It seems that everything can be in the service, but so

[Herman 4223]

Is it possible for catapults to fire automatically? And why is this done, in case the pilots unconscious will throw them out automatically?

[kapitan92]

Quote: Herman 4223

Is it possible for catapults to fire automatically? And why is this done, in case the pilots unconscious will throw them out automatically?

This type of aircraft is equipped with KT-1M, there is no automatic triggering, there is a forced ejection of the crew, performed by the commander, and it is enough to lift the cap and turn on the "Forced exit" toggle switch on the left side of the cockpit. At the same time, a red banner "Forced leaving" lights up at each workplace and the EMRV-27B-1 temporary relay for the seats of the right pilot, navigator-navigator and navigator-operator, which are set for a time corresponding to 3,6 s, 1,8 s , 0,3 s ..
For individual leaving, each seat has two “get-off” side handles. To operate the system, it is enough to squeeze and press any of the handles. In case of leaving a de-energized aircraft, only individual ejection is possible with preliminary manual reset of the access hatch covers (until the hatch “leaves”, the seat firing mechanism remains blocked). All autonomous aircraft seat automation operates on pneumatic, pyrotechnic and mechanical automation.
Ejection is possible during a takeoff run or a run on the ground, at a speed of at least 130 km / h (to guarantee the breakdown of entrance hatches by an oncoming air flow), in flight at a speed up to the maximum possible (2200 km / h) and a dynamic ceiling (18 km).
Condolences to family and friends!

[Kaw]

It turns out that in order to eject from the ground, they had to get up and manually open the hatch (each has its own) and only then sit in a chair and eject? How could they all accidentally catapult so all at once?

[ancient]

Quote: Kaw

It turns out that in order to eject from the ground, they had to get up and manually open the hatch (each has its own) and only then sit in a chair and eject?

Each crew member does not have his own lever for resetting the lantern cover (right at face level, when turning 90g).

Quote: Kaw

How could they all accidentally catapult so all at once?

They just could not ... an error in the forced abandonment system ... therefore, the crew member on the K.K. mesma remained intact and do not harm.

[figwam]

Quote: kapitan92

just lift the cap and turn on the "Forced exit" toggle switch on the left side of the cockpit.

So the one who was sitting on the left, in the commander's place, could theoretically accidentally turn on the toggle switch, which led to the sequential ejection of the crew. The human factor in most accidents and disasters remains in the first place.

Quote: Kaw

manually open the hatch (each has its own) and only then sit in a chair and eject?

The sash should shoot back automatically, and by the oncoming stream it is carried away to the side for safe escape of the crew member.

[ancient]

Quote: figvam

So the one who was sitting on the left, in the commander's place, could theoretically accidentally turn on the toggle switch, which led to the sequential ejection of the crew.

Theoretically YES ... but maybe ... some kind of short circuit of something in the forced ejection circuit.

[kapitan92]

Quote: figvam

So the one who was sitting on the left, in the commander's place, could theoretically accidentally turn on the toggle switch, which led to the sequential ejection of the crew. The human factor in most accidents and disasters remains in the first place.

This can only be shown by the consequence. It seems that everything will remain under the heading.

[kapitan92]

Quote: figvam

So the one who was sitting on the left, in the commander's place, could theoretically accidentally turn on the toggle switch, which led to the sequential ejection of the crew

[figwam]

This is the Su-24M.

[kapitan92]

Yes I know! I tried to find a photo of the chair in the TU22m3 cockpit, but I couldn't find it.
There were suggestions in the media that 3 crew members might not have been "fastened" during the system's operation. Hence 1 surviving crew member. In general, there are many assumptions, but one truth, and perhaps we will not recognize it.

[ancient]

Quote: kapitan92

I tried to find a photo of the chair in the TU22m3 cockpit, but I couldn't find it.

On Tu-22M3, the forced exit switch and alarm switches for the rear cab are located on the left-front side panel.

[kapitan92]

Quote: ancient

On Tu-22M3, the forced exit switch and alarm switches for the rear cab are located on the left-front side panel.

Can the crew commander inadvertently (erroneously) "press the button"?

[ancient]

Quote: kapitan92

Can the crew commander inadvertently (erroneously) "press the button"?

If you are of sound mind and good memory, then ... NEVER ... but by chance ... all the more ... we take the red-striped caps only in extreme cases ...

[kapitan92]

Quote: ancient

If you are of sound mind and good memory, then ... NEVER ... but by chance ... all the more ... we take the red-striped caps only in extreme cases ...

Could the catapult have triggered spontaneously as a result of a malfunction in the power supply system?

[ancient]

Quote: kapitan92

Could the catapult have triggered spontaneously as a result of a malfunction in the power supply system?

The probability is very high ... there are examples.

[ancient]

Quote: kapitan92

In case of leaving a de-energized aircraft, only individual ejection is possible

It's good to "quote" Google .. only it doesn't say that when the voltage drops below 18 volts in the DC network ... you can pull the levers at least ..... until the plane crashes.

[Avior]

These were on the Yak-38 - they provided triggering automatically for situations when a person's reaction was not enough
But there were also false alarms in the air.

[svoit]

What does it mean that the bailout system on the ground cannot be used?

[NDR-791]

Quote: svoit

What does it mean that the bailout system on the ground cannot be used?

It seems that at zero altitude it is possible, but the speed should be at least 130 km / h

[figwam]

Quote: NDR-791

but the speed must be at least 130 km / h

Yes, on this plane at least 130 km / h, you can do it from the ground.

[NDR-791]

So the co-pilot didn't lie.

[Avior]

... Ejection is possible during a takeoff run or a run on the ground, at a speed of at least 130 km / h (to guarantee the breakdown of entrance hatches by an oncoming air flow), in flight at a speed up to the maximum possible (2200 km / h) and a dynamic ceiling (18 km).

This is for the chairs KT-1M

[Doliva63]

Quote: Avior

... Ejection is possible during a takeoff run or a run on the ground, at a speed of at least 130 km / h (to guarantee the breakdown of entrance hatches by an oncoming air flow), in flight at a speed up to the maximum possible (2200 km / h) and a dynamic ceiling (18 km).

This is for the chairs KT-1M

And what is there?

[Avior]

Yes, worth KT-1M

[Doliva63]

Quote: Avior

Yes, worth KT-1M

Unfortunately, I hardly remember it, the K-36 is somehow closer. But the case, you see, is not an ordinary one. Obviously some kind of malfunction, if there is a limitation on the speed of the aircraft.

[ancient]

Quote: svoit

What does it mean that the bailout system on the ground cannot be used?

Not desirable ... because after ejection on this type of chair, you need a "special" landing technique, otherwise you will be left without collarbones (the back with a headrest weighs about 40 kg)

[Sprut 270286]

The tool that should save lives, on the contrary, took away.

[Mountain shooter]

Horror. How so? What tragic news. Condolences ...

[TatarinSSSR]

How is that ... Already a lump to the throat. Rest in peace, brothers ...

[Alexilyin]

I express my sincere condolences to the families and friends of the deceased pilots

[Kamchatsky]

Condolences to family and friends. It is a pity that it is so tragic ... Words are superfluous.

[svp67]

Great sympathy. And is it not worth it to upgrade these aircraft in the first place by installing a more advanced ejection seat, which allows ejection at 0 speed and 0 altitude?

[Flooding]

Quote: svp67

And is it not worth it to upgrade these aircraft in the first place by installing a more advanced ejection seat, which allows ejection at 0 speed and 0 altitude?

the fact of the matter is that under such conditions there is no need to bail out
you need a guaranteed failure

[svp67]

Quote: Flood

the fact of the matter is that under such conditions there is no need to bail out
you need a guaranteed failure

But there are also other situations when this property is not superfluous.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Flood

Quote: svp67

And is it not worth it to upgrade these aircraft in the first place by installing a more advanced ejection seat, which allows ejection at 0 speed and 0 altitude?

the fact of the matter is that under such conditions there is no need to bail out
you need a guaranteed failure

If a pilot on the ground can involuntarily pull the supports - why is he in the army? The guarantee against everything is compliance with all the rules. And yes, on K-36 we have a fighter from the SAPS group ejected from an airplane in the hangar, but that is a conscript, you can understand, but - a pilot ?!

[Flooding]

Quote: Doliva63

If a pilot on the ground can involuntarily pull the supports - why is he in the army?

a pilot is a highly qualified specialist
which takes a lot of time and money to prepare
guaranteed failure according to your words in such situations is not necessary
this is your opinion

[Doliva63]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Doliva63

If a pilot on the ground can involuntarily pull the supports - why is he in the army?

a pilot is a highly qualified specialist
which takes a lot of time and money to prepare
guaranteed failure according to your words in such situations is not necessary
this is your opinion

For the gifted, there are checks there, and when they are not there, everything is decided by a "highly qualified specialist". Or don't you trust him?

[Flooding]

Quote: Doliva63

For the gifted

Where did you learn the high calmness?
I always dreamed of talking.
All the best.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Flood

Quote: Doliva63

For the gifted

Where did you learn the high calmness?
I always dreamed of talking.
All the best.

By especially gifted I meant those who foolishly can eject in the parking lot, I gave an example - this, alas, happens. I didn't want to offend anyone.

[Flooding]

Quote: Doliva63

By especially gifted I meant those who foolishly can eject in the parking lot, I gave an example - this, alas, happens.

Thanks for the clarification

[Pete mitchell]

How so ... deepest condolences

[Alexey Gushchin]

Yes, how is that?

[rocket757]

Only today I wrote that there was no news ... it was bad that it turned out to be wrong.
Condolences to family and friends.

[Thrifty]

Actually, some kind of awkwardness comes out! Catapults, I remember the film on "Zvezda" were ground tests and on static, that is, stationary aircraft! There is a version that the fanar did not shoot back during the self-launching of the catapults, then people died from a strong blow to the fanar with their heads, and they were thrown out already dead? ??

[Thrifty]

The news just came out that one crew member survived! !!

[ancient]

Quote: Thrifty

The news just came out that one crew member survived! !!

On this type of aircraft K.K. leaves it always .. LAST .. no matter what .. what kind of emergency escape system works, either individual or forced.

[Avior]

The covers should be thrown to the side with a stream of air, it turns out that they stood in place, hit the covers.

[Serg65]

My condolences to family, friends and colleagues!

[lopuhan2006]

Most of these cases are human factors, those carelessness and inattention. Here and after-flight service and routine. And this is the life of a pilot

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

My condolences to family and friends. Sorry guys ...

[Evil 55]

It's strange that all three at once ... Complex failure.

[Avior]

They have a launch associated

[aleks.29ru]

How is this possible? Chairs should be independent from each other. Or can you only eject at the same time?

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Quote: aleks.29ru

Chairs should be independent from each other.

like, on the Tu-22M the forced system. bailout. At least the second crew member will eject automatically. I would like to hear the opinion of a specialist in the branch.

[dgonni]

The commander pulls out the locked protective cap! Then the forced ejection toggle switch rises.
After turning on the toggle switch, the boards of the crew members turn on. With an inscription about coercion. Covers and hatches are dropped. And with an EMNIT interval of 1.2 seconds, the Navigator operator, the navigator of the ship and the Pravak leave. The commander works himself out with his pens.
Only this whole process is possible from zero altitude at a speed of 130+ km per hour.
So if in the parking lot there is no chance. And they were not ready for this all over the place.
And if the belts in the chairs were not laced up, then even more so without options.

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Quote: dgonni

And if the belts in the chairs were not laced up, then even more so without options.

Tin, of course ... ((
Tell me, is the version of the comrade above about the "non-firing" of lanterns - is it generally damn it, perhaps?

[dgonni]

They shoot back but not normally. Although as God puts it on life.
The system guarantees rescue at a speed of 130+. And they were parked at launch. Lanterns and hatches fell off and did not fly off.
The commission will establish and punish those who are not involved and will break the earrings and awards to those who have nothing to do with it.
But the loss of the regiment lump?
A neighbor, a former navigator of the Stratag, did not talk about this. And he started flying on a Tu-4.
Finished at 22m2.
A couple of flights for retirement.

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Quote: dgonni

And if the belts in the chairs were not laced up, then even more so without options.

They write that one survived, tk. fastened on.

[ancient]

Quote: dgonni

The commander pulls out the locked protective cap! Then the forced ejection toggle switch rises.

Absolutely right .. only the fishing rod .. before you can turn on the "druchok" forcibly, you must give the command to the crew 2Forced ejection or prepare a kyuu "... so that the crew members can put their feet on the footrests of the chair .. otherwise after the display lights up. in half a second there will be no operator, and so on.

[Sling cutter]

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I would like to hear the opinion of a specialist in the branch.

Only the "Ancient" can explain.
Where are you, Smoking room ?!

[ancient]

Quote: Stroporez

Only the "Ancient" can explain.
Where are you, Smoking room ?!

Already here .... I try to explain the situation

[Sling cutter]

Quote: ancient

Already here....

Buddy !!! I'm glad to see you!

[Avior]

Main mode - at the command of the commander, they eject together at short intervals
But it is also possible individually
Here is a description of the work of the catapult
https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/КТ-1М

[Andrei from Chelyabinsk]

It's a shame. My condolences to family and friends.

[Fitter65]

an abnormal operation of the ejection system occurred.

Well, they just couldn't work. There is, after all, its own algorithm of actions during the ejection, and someone, after all, agrees that he accidentally launched it. My condolences to relatives, friends, friends ...

[ancient]

Quote: Fitter65

Well they just couldn't work

Maybe ... it turns out ... I described a similar case above ...

[Fitter65]

Quote: ancient

Maybe ... it turns out ... I described a similar case above ...

Well, if someone accidentally turned on the forced ejection toggle switch, you really need to accidentally lift the cap ...

[impostor]

The news reports that the "command" button to evacuate the entire crew was triggered

[Doliva63]

Quote: impostor

The news reports that the "command" button to evacuate the entire crew was triggered

I immediately thought of something like this. Well, maybe the commander didn't do anything, some kind of malfunction in the control loop of the aircraft's emergency escape system? Somehow I can’t believe in the regiment commander, who made so many mistakes to enable forced abandonment.

[figwam]

Quote: Doliva63

Somehow I can't believe in the regiment commander who made so many mistakes

As they write, the regiment commander sat in the instructor's place, which means in the right pilot's place, and in the left pilot's place, there was a pilot who was trained, only he could accidentally turn on the toggle switch.

[Doliva63]

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Quote: Doliva63

Somehow I can't believe in the regiment commander who made so many mistakes

As they write, the regiment commander sat in the instructor's place, which means in the right pilot's place, and in the left pilot's place, there was a pilot who was trained, only he could accidentally turn on the toggle switch.

And what, the commander overlooked the forced bailout warning? Although, hmm, maybe I saw, but you can't get off the chair anymore (.

[dgonni]

He was on the right cup as an inspector. Bailout on the left of the commander!

[Vadim237]

Most likely, when the engine was started, a breakdown occurred on the ejection circuit - the seats worked, and this in itself says that the aircraft's electrical system is already rubbish that needs to be changed.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Vadim237

Most likely, when the engine was started, a breakdown occurred on the ejection circuit - the seats worked, and this in itself says that the aircraft's electrical system is already rubbish that needs to be changed.

Already wrote that the forced exit toggle switch is locked. So the problem was at the gas station. You may be right.

[Orkraider]

Condolences to friends and family.

[Bez 310]

The system allows ejection from the ground, even at zero speed.
In 1987, in Bykhov, the pilots left the plane from the ground, pravak practically
after stopping the plane. Both - even without injury.
What happened in this case will be determined by the commission, but it is similar to the actuation of the forced exit system, which is turned on by the commander of the ship - fold back the cap, turn it on.

[ancient]

Quote: Bez 310

and from the ground, even at zero speed.

Unfortunately, this is not specified in the Tu-22M Airplane Flight Manual ... well, at least I have not seen it.
In what way do you "go away" at zero speed of movement of the cover of the lantern 9 to remove the fuse from the "bullet" mechanism?

[Bez 310]

Quote: ancient

In what way do you "go away" at zero speed of movement of the lantern cover

I'm not going to argue with you, here is the plane, the covers are lying next to it.

https://aviaforum.ru/threads/morskaja-aviacija-est-i-budet-viii.43331/page-6435#post-2365171

[ancient]

Quote: Bez 310

I'm not going to argue with you

And I do not dispute your information ... but I ask how at ZERO speed it is possible to reset the lamp cover ... only if by emergency reset, but all the same .. it is something or someone needs to .. "push" .. . but it is not easy.
Well, the plane is lying on its belly ... so it was rolling out and did it have some speed?

[Bez 310]

Quote: ancient

how at ZERO speed the canopy cover can be removed.

Do you know that in Shaikovka the lantern covers have moved away, and the chairs have worked normally at "zero" speed? In any case, there is such information ... So find out, but I'm not interested anymore ...

[ancient]

Quote: Bez 310

Are you aware that in Shaikovka the lantern covers have moved away and the chairs have worked normally?

It was the covers that did not come off, but they were knocked out by headrests, therefore the parachute system was not put into operation in a regular way ... which led to tragic consequences.
But when, back in the distant past, they "studied" the instructions for these chairs and this ... "cascade parachute system" in the distant past, the "leader" said that, in general, the ideal height for using this system is 250 meters in the gp mode, and even better in the set mode H and preferably without rolls (well, you can) jo 40gr .... more ... no need .... there will be a mouthful of earth.
So it is written in "Tolmouth".
Best regards,

[Bez 310]

Quote: ancient

It was the covers that did not come off, but they were knocked out by headrests, therefore the parachute system was not put into operation in a regular way ... which led to tragic consequences.

Quite possible...
But witnesses claim that in Bykhov the Pravak left at "zero" speed, I have no reason not to believe them. Although, it makes no difference to me ...

[Alex_Bora]

Of course, when I was young, I may not remember everything, but then in Bykhov Tu-22M2 rolled out of the runway. It was winter, the racks were broken, he drove through the snow on his "belly". The crew left the plane through the hatches after stopping, and only the young "pravochok" could not resist and ejected. And in my opinion he broke either his leg or his collarbone ...
But maybe I don't remember all the details.

And before that there was an accident with the Tu-22M2 with the ejection of one of the crew members from the plane already burning on the ground. Alas, everyone died there. The ejected pilot fell into the hotbed of the spilled fuel.

[Bez 310]

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and only the young "pravochok" could not restrain himself and ejected.

No, not so.
Commander - Burundukov, already on the ground, involuntarily pulled the "drive" and left, pravak, experienced Lomakin, seeing such a thing, rushed after. And the navigator just opened the lids and went down.
Both Chipmunk and Lom were very experienced, both transferred from Mongohto.

[depressant]

It is impossible to read such a thing, Lord, it hurts like ... Goodbye, dear ones, you are our warriors! Three, three again ... in Slavi you will now be your own, and we, here, are orphaned. The land is empty without you.

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It is impossible to read such a thing, Lord, it hurts like ... Goodbye, dear ones, you are our warriors! Three, three again ... in Slavi you will now be your own, and we, here, are orphaned. The land is empty without you.

And without snot with a fringe can you condole with restraint?

[APASUS]

Condolences to the families of the victims.
I can't understand how it could have happened, what could have failed with such a system

[Bshkaus]

The first news does not always reflect what really happened. I think there will be clarifications of the reasons.
Kingdom of Heaven

[Squelcher]

Kingdom of heaven, to the soldiers who have gone to heaven.

[Eldorado]

Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased.
Lord, rest their souls ...

[BAI]

I was in Shaikovka. But there were Tu-95s. The technique was changed.

[Mityasha]

It was a stray one. And yes, they changed the equipment, first the B-25, Li-2, B-24, Tu-4, Tu-16, Tu-22m2, Tu-22m3.
Condolences to families.

[starshina]

The mess with the engineering service at the airports is off the charts !!! Carelessness continues and no one seems to draw conclusions !!! I was surprised when the secret equipment was removed from the presidential plane and taken out, and now the pilots were killed and not on a mission but due to the usual negligence of the attendants !!! And this happens not only in aviation --- look what is done during the repair and maintenance of ships !!! The ship's crew sells the ship's propellers for scrap !!! The money allocated for the repair of ships is being stolen !!! Corruption in the army is booming and the minister of defense is chilling out on vacation !!! Already from the Russian army all and sundry are laughing, and memes about lack of laborship and handshake are circulating on YUTUBE !!!

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The mess with the engineering service at the airports is just off scale !!!

What the fuck are "airports" ??? Is this a fucking charter to Yerevan from Domodedovo or what?

[DEVIL LIFE'S]

My condolences to relatives and friends, as well as videoconferencing with the loss of these guys.

[sabakina]

My condolences to the family and the Kingdom of Heaven to those who have departed.
Well wok can't remember Woland with his

Yes, man is mortal, but that would be half the trouble. The bad news is that he is sometimes suddenly mortal.

[Vladimir]

My condolences to the families of the victims. I live in Kiev and do not believe that these pilots would have dropped bombs on the Slavs. Alas, the technique is as follows.

[SashOK]

Unlike VSUshnyh shit pilots, they did not throw at the Slavs
Kingdom of heaven guys!

[jaroff]

They started talking about abnormal operation early. It may turn out that the system worked normally. If the PIC, the one who remained alive, mistakenly turned on both forced exit toggle switches

[Edvid]

We had a similar case in 1985. I then finished my naval career and got a job at an aircraft factory in Artem. Have rolled into the shop for repair of the next TU-16. The first thing that the LIS (flight test service) does is, while still at the airfield, unloads the catapult squibs in the plane. In this case, something unprecedented in the history of the plant happened: the squibs remained in place ... Why, I am not in the know - the investigation was closed and did not concern me ... The specialist who was engaged in the dismantling of radio equipment in the cockpit, at some point sat down in the commander's the chair, and for some unknown reason, began to touch the handles that were not related to its profile ... The controls, which are strictly forbidden to be touched by anyone, are painted bright red. The catapult handles are also red. And after all, he knew about this and signed, as usual, in the work order, where the first security point clearly indicated this ... He pulled, the catapult fired, the chair with it broke through the roof of the workshop and fell next to the concrete road. On the TU-16, the armored back (35 mm steel) is a quarter meter higher than the rider's head ... The culprit of the non-standard flight died in the hospital.

[Popandos]

Condolences to the families of the victims.