Polish ambassador to Germany proposes to "weaken the Russians"

Polish Ambassador to the Federal Republic of Germany Andrzej Przylebski believes that a threat comes from Russia. He agrees with Warsaw's policy of overpaying for natural gas, just not to buy it from the Russian Federation.

The Polish diplomat told about this in an interview with the German news portal RND.

Pshilebsky takes a tough stance towards Russia. He considers it necessary to stop the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline in order to deprive Moscow of additional revenues that could be directed by the Kremlin for military spending.

Vladimir Putin already possesses the most modern technologies in the military field. It is strange that Germany, on the one hand, supports the sanctions, and on the other hand, provides Putin with huge sums of money for military spending.

- the diplomat expresses his concern, while reproaching Berlin for excessive loyalty.

The Polish ambassador to Germany believes that the Europeans should not do this, and suggests "weakening the Russians." Although Przylebski realizes that the Poles and the Russians have a lot in common, he declares his readiness to fight Russia and urges the Germans to do the same.

It seems that Poland has a tradition of sending ambassadors to Berlin with extremely radical views. In particular, such was the Polish representative in Nazi Germany, Józef Lipski, who proposed erecting a "wonderful monument" to Hitler in Warsaw for the "final solution" of the Jewish question.

One can imagine what the reaction would be in modern Poland if the Russian ambassador in Berlin proposed to “weaken the Poles”.

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[figwam]

The Polish ambassador to Germany believes that the Europeans should not do this, and suggests "weakening the Russians."

In 1934, the first ran to sign a pact with Germany, all the time Russia interferes.

[Constanty]

Let me remind you that earlier, on July 25, 1932, Poland signed a non-aggression pact with the USSR, that is, 2 years earlier than with Germany.

[Volodin]

Quote: Constanty

Let me remind you that earlier, on July 25, 1932, Poland signed a non-aggression pact with the USSR, that is, 2 years earlier than with Germany.

It's like that. I, in turn, will remind you that in 1938 Poland invaded Czechoslovakia together with the Nazis, violating everything that could be violated.

In general, there is material about the statements of the Polish ambassador in Berlin not from the 30s, but from 2021.

[Constanty]

You're right about Zaolzie. However, it is worth knowing the history of this area - especially what happened there in July-August 1920.

In 1938, as far as I know, the USSR occupied (temporarily, because it lost them after the defeat with Japan) several hills near Lake Chasan. Then there were Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. - so it is difficult to speak of the USSR as an angel of peace.
I would also like to remind you that the signing of the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact was a violation of the 1932 Non-Aggression Pact between Poland and the USSR - probably Article 3.

[Volodin]

Quote: Constanty

I would also like to remind you that ...

In general, there can be reminiscent of the past centuries, right up to how the Poles settled in Moscow at the beginning of the XNUMXth century.

Let's live in the present, not the past.

[Constanty]

Let's live in the present, not the past.

Full agreement that this applies to both parties

[Tatyana]

The Polish ambassador to Germany offers to "weaken the Russians."
He agrees with Warsaw's policy of overpaying for natural gas, just not to buy it from the Russian Federation.

However cunning the Pole does not agree to Germany about the corruption scheme of profit on Russian gas, which exists between Ukraine and Poland and which allows Poland to recover losses for the supply of more expensive American LNG. Namely.

Poland is in a share with the Kiev authorities for an unjustified increase in the cost of Russian gas for the Ukrainian population, allegedly due to the REVERSE of Russian gas from Poland to Ukraine, which in fact does not occur.
In fact, Russian gas from Poland to Ukraine does not reverse, but simply remains on the territory in Ukraine, and the authorities in Kiev simply fictitiously increase the price for it for Ukrainian gas consumers. This is done as a result of the political and financial collusion of the Kiev authorities with Poland for corruption "kickbacks" to Poland.
Slovenia is also involved.

The Polish ambassador to Germany, proposing to "weaken the Russians", is simply being ridiculed over the national interests of Germany! In particular, he apparently believes that the Polish authorities are allegedly in a position to outwit Germany in their Polish interests.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Spring. Moon. Manitic storms. All id..s have aggravation. Need a doctor!

[fruc]

He agrees with Warsaw's policy of overpaying for natural gas, just not to buy it from the Russian Federation.

Let them not buy. The same can be said for oil. As if they are doing us a favor and will deign to buy energy resources from us. And we will not buy their rotten apples and everything else, too. And it's not worth prolonging contracts with the Poles, they want to buy, let them come and ask.

[figwam]

Quote: Volodin

Let's live in the present, not the past.

All the present policy of Poland repeats the past.

[mark1]

Quote: Constanty

the signing of the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact was a violation of the 1932 non-aggression pact between Poland and the USSR - probably Article 3.

It is impossible to violate an agreement with a state that did not exist at that time (and officially it was taking under the protection of the local population close to us)

[Constanty]

Please read this again. I wrote not about the aggression on September 17 (although Poland still existed and did not surrender, so the argument failed), but about the very signing of the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact in August 1939 - the signing of this treaty was a violation of the pact. with Poland in 1932 - Poland existed in August without any doubts, and the 1932 declaration was in force.

[mark1]

Signing and real aggression are two big differences. Poland, since 32, has written and said so much that she wouldn’t have to grieve. I repeat - the local population was taken under protection, which Poland was no longer able to protect (the bobby was dead).

[clerk]

I would also like to remind you that the signing of the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact was a violation of the 1932 non-aggression pact between Poland and the USSR - probably Article 3 ..

Article 3
Each of the contracting parties undertakes not to take part in any agreements, from an aggressive point of view, clearly hostile to the other party. (C) And what clause of the 1939 non-aggression treaty between the USSR and Germany violated the provisions of the 1932 Soviet-Polish treaty, including Article 3? PS From a human point of view, I understand your feelings of a Pole worried about his Motherland, but for the sake of objectivity - Poland is not a victim in WWII, but one of two active participants in the unleashing of WWII in Europe, the protector of the 3rd Reich in 1938 and the first beneficiary. And not to admit it is to become like an ostrich.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Constanty

I would also like to remind you that the signing of the Ribentrop-Molotov Pact was a violation of the 1932 Non-Aggression Pact between Poland and the USSR - probably Article 3.

Pact with the Poles, treaty with the USSR

.Article 3
Each of the contracting parties undertakes not to take part in any agreements, from an aggressive point of view, clearly hostile to the other party.

It turns out by your logic that Poland, having concluded an agreement with Germany, did not violate this article, but the USSR, having concluded a similar agreement with Germany, violated. Great approach. You can not stutter about superfakes like secret agreements. In 1921, Poland twisted its arms around the RSFSR as best it could, signing the Riga Treaty, as they say Vae victis - woe to the vanquished! So why wonder what happened in September 1939-Vae victis- and nothing more.

[Constanty]

The 1934 pact with Germany did not provide for the division of another country - this was different from the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Such a tiny difference.
We disagree in assessing the actions of the Polish side under the Riga Treaty - thanks to the policy of the National Democrats, Poland did not make excessive demands on the RSFSR - I will say more - this is probably the only case when the side wanted less than the other offered.
As for the assessment of 1939 - Vae victis, of course - but talking about international law and trying to justify anything other than military force and aggression is a small misunderstanding.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Constanty

The 1934 pact with Germany did not provide for the division of another country - this was different from the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Such a tiny difference.

Well, then yes, they divided Czechoslovakia without a contract. Also such a tiny nuance.
I wrote earlier

Quote: Fitter65

You don't have to stutter about superfakes like secret agreements.

Where is the section of any country provided here?

The USSR was the penultimate state to sign such a bilateral document with Germany (after Poland, Great Britain, France, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, and before Turkey) [comm. one]. The non-aggression pact was concluded during the hostilities on Khalkhin Gol between the USSR and Japan, Germany's ally in the Anti-Comintern Pact.

According to the agreement, the parties to the agreement pledged to refrain from attacking each other and to maintain neutrality in the event that one of them became the object of hostilities by a third party. The parties to the agreement also rejected allied relations with other powers, "directly or indirectly directed against the other side." Provided for the mutual exchange of information on issues affecting the interests of the parties.

[Constanty]

Czechoslovakia and the capture of Zaolc are one thing: in Poland several works of historians have recently appeared, suggesting or even directly indicating that before the Anschluss of Austria, Germany studied the position of Poland and Poland did not object to such a movement on the part of Germany.
So, in fact, there are many dark spots in the politics of pre-war Poland that are not a source of pride.

On the other hand, however, the denial of the secret protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which is well known (the German archives became the benefit of the Allies after the war), as well as its existence and content, even officially recognized by the Russian Federation, is a bad joke.

It is also impossible to underestimate the importance of this pact for the outbreak of World War II.

The division of Czechoslovakia between Germany and Poland did not provoke a war, even a local one, and Germany's aggression against Poland provoked a world war. Of course, one can try to argue that even without the RM pact this would have happened, but the facts are as they are.

It is also a fact that Stalin was a smarter politician than Hitler - he persistently waited until September 17, which meant that all the hatred fell on Germany.
Although here a lot of blame lies on the Polish side - the famous Rydz directive and the complete subordination of France made the issue of an armed attack by the USSR - from the point of view of international law, undoubted, vague.

[clerk]

... The division of Czechoslovakia between Germany and Poland did not provoke a war, even a local one, and Germany's aggression against Poland provoked a world war.

The partition of Czechoslovakia did not provoke a world war for only one reason - it was Poland that prevented the USSR from providing assistance to Czechoslovakia and thereby besieging Nazism at the initial stage of its aggression. In gratitude for this, Poland received from the Nazis the right to participate in the section. Czechoslovakia. So it was Poland, together with Germany, who began the partition of Europe, helped the then militarily weak Nazis to seize Czech industry and build up military-industrial muscles.

[Constanty]

How wonderful Poland prevented the USSR from providing assistance to Czechoslovakia? please answer. As far as I understand, this should have happened earlier, and only as a reward she could take Zaolzi. Well, just miracles

[clerk]

... How wonderful Poland prevented the USSR from providing assistance to Czechoslovakia?

From the point of view of the international hyena of Poland, it is undoubtedly wonderful. From the point of view of the world rebuff to Nazi aggression - not very much.

... please answer. As far as I understand, this should have happened earlier, and only as a reward she could take Zaolzi. Well, just miracles

And here earlier, later? There are no miracles - the usual conspiracy of two bandits, when going to work, they first agree on who will do what (Germany is robbing, Poland - on the naughty) and on the future division of the booty, and after the robbery is completed, they divide the booty after the fact.

[Constanty]

I ask for an answer in what sense did Poland prevent the USSR from providing assistance to Czechoslovakia?

[clerk]

... I ask for an answer in what sense did Poland prevent the USSR from providing assistance to Czechoslovakia?

In the simplest way - geographically. Poland did not give permission for the passage of the Red Army and the passage of Soviet aircraft through its territory to help Czechoslovakia.

[Constanty]

Maybe add Hungary and Romania to Poland?

The lack of a border was an obstacle, but Poland was not the reason for the lack of Soviet assistance to Czechoslovakia.
The 1935 Czechoslovak-Soviet Treaty stipulated that The USSR will fulfill its allied obligations if France also fulfills.

France, however, chose Munich - and it was her position that decided the fate of Czechoslovakia.

[clerk]

... The lack of a border was an obstacle, but Poland was not the reason for the lack of Soviet assistance to Czechoslovakia.
The 1935 Czechoslovak-Soviet treaty stipulated that the USSR would fulfill allied obligations if France also fulfilled.

France, however, chose Munich - and it was her position that decided the fate of Czechoslovakia.

... On September 19, Benes, through the Soviet plenipotentiary in Prague, turned to the government of the USSR regarding its position in the event of a military conflict. The Soviet government replied that it was ready to fulfill the conditions of the Prague Treaty. The Soviet Union offered its assistance to Czechoslovakia in case of a war with Germany, even if, contrary to the pact, France did not do this, and Poland and Romania refused to let the Soviet troops pass. Poland's position was expressed in statements that in the event of a German attack on Czechoslovakia, it would not interfere and let Soviet troops pass through its territory, and would immediately declare war on the Soviet Union if it tried to send troops across Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia. And if Soviet planes appear over Poland on their way to Czechoslovakia, they will immediately be attacked by Polish aviation. So, whatever one may say, but it was Poland's aggressively pro-Nazi stance towards the USSR that thwarted Franco-Soviet aid to Czechoslovakia. For this, Poland received the Cieszyn region as a reward from the Nazis.

[Constanty]

I read something else

On the other hand, friendly words came from Moscow, where the Czechoslovak deputy Firling was assured that the USSR would fulfill its allied obligations. Czech generals discussed this topic, but Poland did not agree with the march of the Red Army through its territory and put pressure on Romania. And Czechoslovakia itself did not want Soviet help ...



French Foreign Minister Bonnet tried to persuade the Romanian government to agree to the march of Soviet troops. Romania, on the other hand, made its position dependent on negotiations with Poland. USSR Foreign Minister Litvinov wanted France to put pressure on Poland and Romania to persuade these countries to make concessions. However, according to the Polish ambassador in Paris, Lukashevich, France was actually satisfied with the position of Poland and Romania, because she did not want the USSR to be too involved in European affairs ...


On September 19, the results of the Benes meeting were announced. The President of Czechoslovakia was shocked by the Anglo-French agreements. Benes immediately called a meeting of the government, to which the Soviet deputy Potemkin was invited, who ensured the readiness of Czechoslovakia to help. At the same time, the offer from London and Paris was rejected. France threatened that if Czechoslovakia did not accept the terms, Paris would not come to her aid in case of war. On September 21, after Benes met with the commander-in-chief of the army, it was decided to accept the ultimatum of the Western allies. Soviet aid was still real, but the government in Prague did not need help from the USSR alone..

[clerk]

... France threatened that if Czechoslovakia did not accept the terms, Paris would not come to her aid in case of war. On September 21, after Benes met with the commander-in-chief of the army, it was decided to accept the ultimatum of the Western allies. Soviet aid was still real, but the government in Prague did not need help from the USSR alone.

Unfortunately, after 19.09.39/XNUMX/XNUMX, when Poland threatened the USSR with war in case of attempts to help Czechoslovakia, Soviet aid to Czechoslovakia ceased to be real.

[Constanty]

Not true. There was no such threat from Poland !!!

[clerk]

Not true. There was no such threat from Poland !!!

On May 21, Polish Ambassador to Paris Juliusz Lukasiewicz assured US Ambassador to France Bullitt that Poland would immediately declare war on the USSR if he tried to send troops across Polish territory to help Czechoslovakia.

[Constanty]

Make a decision - once you write about the threat from Poland on September 19, 1938, now about the conversation of the ambassadors in May 1938.

[clerk]

Once you write about the threat from Poland on September 19, 1938, now about the conversation of the ambassadors in May 1938.

... On August 11, Poland notified Germany that it would not let the Red Army pass through its territory, and would also influence Romania, but insisted on creating a common Polish-Hungarian border {340}. On August 24, Berlin was informed of the opinion of the Polish leadership, according to which Transcarpathia and [154] Slovakia were to be transferred to Hungary, Teshin to Poland, and everything else to Germany. This position of Warsaw made an impression on England, which in September began to more often declare the need to resolve the Cieszyn issue. Behind this, London's desire to tear Warsaw away from Berlin was easily guessed.

[CT-55_11-9009]

Quote: Constanty

How wonderful Poland prevented the USSR from providing assistance to Czechoslovakia?

Somehow, she did not allow troops to pass through her territory, she didn’t even want to hear about it. As well as Romania, by the way. Although after the presentation of the ultimatum, the USSR, as one of the guarantors, was ready for any help, primarily military. Even the specific forces that would be involved were discussed. But ... Not to fight for the sake of Czechoslovakia through Poland with Romania, especially since France, as another guarantor, stupidly "threw" Czechoslovakia.

[Machito]

Quote: Constanty

Czechoslovakia and the capture of Zaolc are one thing: in Poland several works of historians have recently appeared, suggesting or even directly indicating that before the Anschluss of Austria, Germany studied the position of Poland and Poland did not object to such a movement on the part of Germany.
So, in fact, there are many dark spots in the politics of pre-war Poland that are not a source of pride.

On the other hand, however, the denial of the secret protocol to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which is well known (the German archives became the benefit of the Allies after the war), as well as its existence and content, even officially recognized by the Russian Federation, is a bad joke.

It is also impossible to underestimate the importance of this pact for the outbreak of World War II.

The division of Czechoslovakia between Germany and Poland did not provoke a war, even a local one, and Germany's aggression against Poland provoked a world war. Of course, one can try to argue that even without the RM pact this would have happened, but the facts are as they are.

It is also a fact that Stalin was a smarter politician than Hitler - he persistently waited until September 17, which meant that all the hatred fell on Germany.
Although here a lot of blame lies on the Polish side - the famous Rydz directive and the complete subordination of France made the issue of an armed attack by the USSR - from the point of view of international law, undoubted, vague.

The secret annexes to the non-aggression pact between Germany and the USSR, allegedly captured by the allies, raise great doubts about their authenticity. The capital of Germany, Berlin, was captured by the Red Army. Logic suggests that such documents are kept in the capital at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. In addition, our allies France, Great Britain and the United States are also involved in the outbreak of WWII and are absolutely interested in shifting the blame to the USSR at the beginning of the war. France and Germany pursued the policy of appeasing the aggressor. The United States financed Hitler and maintained financial and economic relations with him during the war. The Second World War began with a series of local conflicts in Europe and Asia. Japan attacked China first, then France and Great Britain fed Austria and Czechoslovakia to Hitler. Poland has bitten off its piece of land from Czechoslovakia. So, when the USSR pursued a peaceful policy, the imperialist countries of the West and East had already begun a new redivision of the world.
There was a time when Poland was the most powerful state in Europe, but that was a long time ago. Pride prevented Poland from turning from a regional country into an empire. Pride is a mortal sin and Poland is punished. Dreams of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from Mozha to Mozha will remain dreams. Poland should pray that Germany will not make territorial claims to Silesia, Pomerania, East Prussia.
By the way, there are many adequate citizens in Poland who do not suffer from Russophobia and have a constructive attitude towards Polish-Russian relations, but the CIA and the State Department will not allow them to have a political voice and weight. Poland is occupied by the United States, like the rest of Europe.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Constanty

As for the assessment of 1939 - Vae victis, of course - but talking about international law and trying to justify anything other than military force and aggression is a small misunderstanding.

Yes, and also, who cares about the opinion of someone's vassals? And at the expense of international law. So I agree to bomb an independent state in Europe, as I understand it, it doesn't even make a mistake. To put the country on drugs, and as soon as the head of the country began to resist this, we would send troops there, we did not want to accept our values, and we defoliants Orange, and napalm. Yes, and on the basis of what international law we defeated Iraq and Libya, do not you know? I suggest, on the right of the strong. This is the basis of international law, it was, is and will be. Therefore, grief for the vanquished (let's say, Roman law) and Winners are not judged (Russian jurisprudence), as they say, and the gudgeon has rights, but the pike does not look at them.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Constanty

In 1938, as far as I know, the USSR occupied (temporarily, because it lost them after the defeat with Japan) several hills near Lake Chasan. Then there were Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. - so it is difficult to speak of the USSR as an angel of peace.

You feel your non-Russianness and clumsy in your attempt to spoil the USSR and its legal successor, the Russian Federation, USSR occupied (temporarily, because it lost them after defeat with Japan) The USSR temporarily did not occupy these several hills, these territories belonged to the Republic of Ingushetia, and then to the USSR. Yes, and the lake in our country is called KHASAN, and there was not a hill there, but the Zaozernaya hill, in the Far East of the hill.As I know as I understand it, you do not know this well

In total, from 1936 to the outbreak of hostilities near Lake Hasan in July 1938, Japanese and Manchu forces committed 231 border violations ... The pretext for the use of military force by Japan was a territorial claim to the USSR [.

Finland, so little fluffy, Suomi.

The first Soviet-Finnish war (1918-1920) - hostilities between the White Finnish troops and units of the Red Army on the territory of Soviet Russia from March 1918 to October 1920

Damn these aggressive reds

Second Soviet-Finnish War (1921 — 1922)
began: November 6 1921 of the year by the invasion of Finnish volunteer formations in the RSFSR on the territory of Karelia. No war was declared.
ended: March 21, 1922

Again these Bolsheviks, but no, it was not they who invaded ...

Soviet-Finnish War (1939 — 1940)
began: November 30, 1939, as stated in the official message, “by order of the Red Army High Command, in view of new armed provocations by the Finnish military, the troops of the Leningrad Military District at 8 am on November 30 crossed the Finnish border on the Karelian Isthmus and in a number of other districts ". [2]
culminated in: 13 of March 1940 of the year with the signing of the Moscow Peace Treaty between Finland and the USSR the day before.

By the way, the war could have been completely avoided, the finals were offered a gorgeous exchange of territories, well, they did not want bread and butter, well, let them gnaw perennial herb of the genus ... of the Cabbage family. with mustard. Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are not even funny here, especially considering that in 1939, thanks to the USSR, Vilna became the Lithuanian Vilnius, the capital of an independent Lithuanian state, among other things.

On July 21, 1940, the parliaments of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia proclaimed the establishment of Soviet power in their republics and adopted declarations on joining the USSR.

As we can see, everything is within the limits of international laws, at least at that time. Well, if you are not satisfied with this wording, then I will say as I think, they returned what belonged to us. Moreover, in my opinion, on completely legal grounds. In principle, even on more legal grounds than Texas and California became American states, I hope you will not accuse the United States of illegally occupying these territories.

[Constanty]

Or maybe you can quote what Finland thinks about all this. Because to present only the position of the Soviet side as "evidence" is not entirely serious, especially when it comes to the Winter War.

As for the actions of the current Russian Federation, I have no comments or even the slightest reservations - just for the sake of clarity.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Constanty

Or maybe you can quote what Finland thinks about all this.

I can quote what I think, about what Finland thinks about this, it does not bother me at all (this is not a full-fledged synonym for the word that spins on the tongue). Finland has not yet responded for the murdered Soviet people in concentration camps created by the Finns on the Soviet territory occupied by the Finns.

Quote: Constanty

Because to present only the position of the Soviet side as "evidence" is not entirely serious, especially when it comes to the Winter War.

And I, as a citizen of my country, are least of all concerned about opinions, all the more definitely not correct, citizens of the country who retained their identity only thanks to my country, but who, instead of gratitude, dreamed of grabbing a piece of my country's territory several times larger than their own, but choked on, let them say thank you for not lisping.

Quote: Constanty

As for the actions of the current Russian Federation, I have no comments or even the slightest reservations - just for the sake of clarity.

And there is no need to make a reservation, it was long ago to start turning this EU

Anton Bredikhin, Candidate of Historical Sciences, Editor-in-Chief of the Archont magazine, believes that the Europeans are on the edge.
“Yeah, it's too late. By imposing their sanctions against Russia, they believed in the masochism of our country. Adding more and more new packages, they continued to believe in it. And suddenly now, when our leadership took a tough stance towards Brussels, indignation began. How so? We are pursuing a policy against you, and you still dare to answer and not be friends with us? It seems that soon in this situation, many Europeans will wish not only an alliance with Russia, but also hold referendums for the right to become new federal districts, ”said Anton Bredikhin.

[Constanty]

countries that have retained their identity only thanks to my country, but which, instead of gratitude dreamed of grabbing a piece of the territory of my country several times larger than their,

Could you please clarify what this is about? Let me remind you that Poland lost 1/3 of its pre-war territory in favor of the USSR as a result of World War II, so it did not take away any territories from the USSR. Also currently does not require any territories from the Russian Federation or any other neighbor.

[Fitter65]

Quote: Constanty

Could you please clarify what this is about? Let me remind you that Poland lost 1/3 of its pre-war territory in favor of the USSR as a result of World War II, so it did not take any territories from the USSR. Also currently does not require any territories from the Russian Federation or any other neighbor.

I can, but I'm afraid you won't understand read here https://topwar.ru/181050-pochemu-rossija-v-1921-godu-po-rizhskomu-dogovoru-otdala-chast-svoih-zemel-polshe.html where did these territory near Poland. So Poland did not lose 1/3, and the USSR returned its territories illegally occupied by Poland in 1920. And in return, having cut it a lot more at the expense of Germany, you will not assert that Stettin (Szczecin) and Breslau (Wroclaw) are primordially Polish cities? By the way, it does not require any territories from the Russian Federation, do not remember what the Poles said about our Kaliningrad region? Haven't you heard? By the way, we do not demand any territories from Poland either. And such a paradox, during the years of World War II, by the way, from what date will we count it (?), The Anschluss of Austria, the razing of Czechoslovakia by Germany and Poland, so let's say by June 22, 1941, states such as Austria, Czechoslovakia disappeared on the map of Europe, Poland, Norway, but it's easier to look at the III Reich and its Reichskommisariats as of 1942

... And if we look at the map of Europe, for example, 1947.

Oh, and where did Poland come from? And Austria, I am already silent about the armory forge of the III Reich Czechoslovakia, by the way, do not remember who returned it to Teshin volost Region. Poles on a volunteer basis? By the way, not so long ago, some Norwegian leaders stated that the USSR, during the battles with German troops on the territory of Norway, caused damage to Norwegian enterprises ... And in general, as Catherine II said in defense of Generalisimussa Suvorov."Winners are not judged"
And even more so not so poor as you ...

[Constanty]

Where did these territories come from in Russia?
Let me remind you that in 1939 Poland had 387000 km2, and after the gifts of the USSR (and in fact - three allies - the USSR, England and the USA) in the form of the territories of former Germany - 312000 km2. God save us from such allies

Post scriptum. Yes, Poland is a poor, poor country, and Russia's GDP is three times that of Poland, but taking into account the area and population and opportunities Russia is not that rich at all

[Machito]

Quote: Constanty

countries that have retained their identity only thanks to my country, but which, instead of gratitude dreamed of grabbing a piece of the territory of my country several times larger than their,

Could you please clarify what this is about? Let me remind you that Poland lost 1/3 of its pre-war territory in favor of the USSR as a result of World War II, so it did not take away any territories from the USSR. Also currently does not require any territories from the Russian Federation or any other neighbor.

This is a commentary about Finland.
Poland lost one third of its territory, which it seized from the USSR during the Civil War.
If you go deep into history, then Przemysl and Yaroslav are Russian cities. Why are they now part of Poland? The border between Ancient Kievan Rus and Poland went almost along the Vistula.

[clerk]

... Or maybe you can quote what Finland thinks about all this.

... You can also quote:

... For further negotiations, the Soviet government dispatched its ambassador in Rome to Helsinki Stein, who previously held a diplomatic post at the USSR embassy in Finland, and on March 11 he contacted Foreign Minister Erkko. Guided by previous motives, Stein argued that the safety of Leningrad in the event of an attack on it from the Gulf of Finland depended on the transfer of these islands to the use of the Soviet Union, and believed that the best solution for this would be an agreement on their lease. Such a decision would guarantee the preservation of Finnish neutrality. The Soviet government is also ready to exchange the islands [228] for an area of ​​183 square kilometers, located near our eastern border. Finland's written commitment to oppose any violation of its neutrality was considered insignificant if it were not accompanied by practical measures. The Finnish government continued to take its negative position.
I thought that in one way or another we ought to agree with the Russians if by doing so we would improve relations with our powerful neighbor. I spoke with Foreign Minister Erkko about Stein's proposal, but I could not persuade him. I also visited President and Prime Minister Cajander to personally express my point of view. I noticed that the islands do not matter to Finland, and since they are neutralized, we do not have the opportunity to protect them. The credibility of Finland, in my opinion, will also not suffer if we agree to the exchange. For the Russians, however, these islands, blocking access to their naval base, are of great importance, and therefore we should try to benefit from those rare trump cards that we have at our disposal.

Remind the author or guess yourself? This is certainly not all of Finland, but the character was quite famous and influential at one time.

[Clear]

Quote: Constanty

The USSR occupied (temporarily, because it lost them after the defeat with Japan) several hills near Lake Chasan,

And where did you get the idea that the Zaozernaya (Chankufen) and Bezymyannaya hills were Japanese?

[Constanty]

Until 8, 1938 - the day of the attack of the USSR troops, these hills were in the territory of the dependent on Japan - Man-chou-kuo. After the ceasefire, both hills remained in Japanese hands.

[Clear]

Quote: Constanty

the hills were in the territory of the dependent on Japan -

That's right, maybe "dependent", but not Japanese.

[Constanty]

And where did I write that these hills are Japanese, by the way?

[Clear]

Quote: Constanty

And where did I write that these hills are Japanese, by the way?

And to whom, after the USSR "rocked" Japan, did the islands go?
See Post 11.58.

[Constanty]

Excerpt from my post from 11.58

In 1938, as far as I know, The USSR occupied (temporarily, because it lost them after the defeat with Japan) several hills near Lake Chasan, Then there were Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. - so it is difficult to speak of the USSR as an angel of peace.

I did not claim that the hills were Japanese.
On July 21, the Japanese 19th Infantry Division occupied Bogomolnaya Hill, until July 31, Chankufeng (Zaoziornya) and Shachao-feng (Biezimanskaya) were re-acquired by the troops of the Japanese 19th Infantry Division.
After the end of hostilities, Japanese troops remained in these hills.

[Mikhail3]

Quote: Volodin

Quote: Constanty

Let me remind you that earlier, on July 25, 1932, Poland signed a non-aggression pact with the USSR, that is, 2 years earlier than with Germany.

It's like that. I, in turn, will remind you that in 1938 Poland invaded Czechoslovakia together with the Nazis, violating everything that could be violated.

In general, there is material about the statements of the Polish ambassador in Berlin not from the 30s, but from 2021.

Thus, starting the Second World War.

[lucul]

Poland is in a share with the Kiev authorities for an unjustified increase in the cost of Russian gas for the Ukrainian population, allegedly due to the REVERSE of Russian gas from Poland to Ukraine, which in fact does not occur.

Remember the scandal with the theft of Russian gas from a gas pipeline to / in Ukraine? Do you think something has changed? As they steal, they steal - this is the reason that forced Russia to build the Nord Stream. And it is for this reason that the Americans do not want Nord Stream so much.

[avg]

Quote: Volodin

In general, there is material about the statements of the Polish ambassador in Berlin not from the 30s, but from 2021.

Yes, their statements and desires have not changed since the 16th century.

It is strange that Germany, on the one hand, supports the sanctions, and on the other hand, provides Putin with huge sums of money for military spending.

It is no less strange that Poland, about thirty years old, receiving money from Germany, prevents her from earning this money, does dirty tricks and teaches life.

[hagen]

Quote: Constanty

Let me remind you that earlier, on July 25, 1932, Poland signed a non-aggression pact with the USSR, that is, 2 years earlier than with Germany.

The USSR signed the Riga Peace Treaty with Poland. And how did Poland carry it out ?! What is signed with the Poles is very often not worth the paper on which their signatures are. Russia / USSR fought with Poland 20 times in a thousand years. During this time, the arrogant contemptuous attitude of the Poles towards us has become a mental trait of the Polish citizen. Therefore, it is not surprising that a high-ranking representative of the political class in Poland is full of Russophobic thoughts and statements. Otherwise, he will simply not be put in the place he occupies today. It was not for nothing that the Poles fired all the employees of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs who had the imprudence to get their education in the USSR. Poland is our outspoken permanent enemy. Was, is and will be for a long time. This must be accepted as a fact, and must be taken into account in all tasks that in one way or another, directly or indirectly, affect Russian-Polish relations or Polish interests, so as not to tell later how we were once again "stabbed in the back." To these one must always be turned only by its armored part. And not to cry or be surprised at the blow, but to strike back, you can - not symmetrical.

[figwam]

Quote: Constanty

Let me remind you that Poland earlier - July 25, 1932

And in 1933, Hitler came to power and the Poles were the first to run to negotiate with him, and in 1934 they broke off military cooperation with France. Later, with all their might, they blocked attempts to create a Soviet-Polish-Czechoslovak anti-German bloc.

[Piramidon]

Quote: figvam

In 1934 year

You can also remember Ivan Susanin and Napoleon Bonopart.

[Terenin]

... Pshilebsky takes a tough stance towards Russia.

Every Western stinker thinks of himself as Napoleon.
Better dig in well, in your "position" before it's too late.

[rocket757]

Polish ambassador to Germany proposes to "weaken the Russians"

What a surprise!!! Who else could ...
Shoy then it reminds me of it, not 39 for example ...
It looks like polity, this is the same final diagnosis as others like it.

[marchcat]

He considers it necessary to stop the construction of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline

Obviously, the Polish ambassador expressed not his own thoughts, the Anglo-Saxons clearly advised him.

[rocket757]

As it does not matter who and how advised .... the gallantry man revealed what was worth keeping covered.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

Shoy then it reminds me of it, not 39 for example ..

Something like that happened in Poland before 1773. The famous Polish historian Jerzy Skowronek writes about this: "The divisions and the fall of Poland were a tragic refutation of one of the" genius "principles of the foreign policy of the gentry of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth."

[rocket757]

So the diagnosis has been long and ... forever.

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

Polish ambassador to Germany proposes to "weaken the Russians"

What a surprise!!! Who else could ...
Shoy then it reminds me of it, not 39 for example ...
It looks like polity, this is the same final diagnosis as others like it.

It seems to me that they decided to step on a rake in a new way ...

[rocket757]

It seems that they have a "polka" ... jumped forward, jump backward and all on the same rake.

[cniza]

Very correctly noted - they have already lost their statehood twice, apparently they want it again ...

[rocket757]

This / next time will be different !!!
Silly illusions, it would be better if they studied history, even if their own.

[cniza]

This time may be the last, but they still can't believe it ...

[Clear]

Quote: cniza

Very correctly noted - they have already lost their statehood twice, apparently they want it again ...

They do not think about the state, the main thing for them is "tough position".

[cniza]

Well, everyone is free to determine for himself, their history teaches nothing ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

It seems that they have a "polka" ... jumped forward, jump backward and all on the same rake.

Everything on the motive "shrik, shit, srakibum".

[rocket757]

So why don't they like them in gayrope either?
Not as a people, but as .... a strange state.

[Alien From]

This is called the "pole" of the brain.

[Baloo]

Quote: Alien From

This is called the "pole" of the brain.

And this is fate. Russia weakened the Poles by stopping buying apples from them. There is nowhere to put yours.

[credo]

Quote: Alien From

This is called the "pole" of the brain.

Yeah, oil painting.

"A well-fed and rosy-cheeked master-burgher sits in an armchair; a Ukrainian slave and a Pole slave run to him, overtaking each other.
Serf-Ukrainian, the first to grab hold of the owner and says - "Germany must return Crimea to Ukraine",
A Pole slave, not lagging behind in impudence from a Ukrainian slave, declares - "And Germany should also buy American gas at a higher price and abandon the construction of SP-2."
The owner-burgher, having calmly listened to the servants' exclamations, answers them - "You have apparently forgotten the dogs from whose table you are feeding."

I hope that at least someone in Germany will tell them this.

[Alien From]

I agree with you, but very unlikely. Crumbs do not deserve in fact!

[Constanty]

Until 1989, this ambassador was a secret employee of the communist security service under the pseudonym TW "Wolfgang" - so the morality of this "gentleman" is at least highly questionable.
It is a pity that we have such ambassadors.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Constanty

Until 1989, this ambassador was a secret employee of the communist security service under the pseudonym TW "Wolfgang" - so the morality of this "gentleman" is at least highly questionable.

"Where they sent, there and the ambassador."
And this:

He agrees with Warsaw's policy of overpaying for natural gas, just not to buy it from the Russian Federation.

- a strange passage. An ambassador expressing an opinion different from the position of the state flies out ahead of his own screeching.

[Niko]

It is sometimes surprising how zealously ambassadors in Germany act, now an American, now a Pole. They understand that although the state is still forced to support a common policy towards Russia, the people in Germany generally do not care about Russophobic sentiments in Poland and the eternal "show-off" of the United States. The Germans would be much more happy to trade, play football, be friends if possible in one word

[Egoza]

Quote: Niko

Sometimes it is surprising how zealous ambassadors in Germany act

Well, sitting in Germany you can dream and perform.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Niko

The Germans would be much more happy to trade, play football, be friends if possible in one word

They genetically remember 1941-1945.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Now they will write that the Russian government itself weakens the Russians more than Poles, Germans and anyone else combined.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Well, if the Russians are weakened, then the Poles will definitely be lowered in this process ...

[VORON538]

Moreover, it is easy and natural, as you brush the dust from the surface, passing by

[nnm]

He agrees with Warsaw's policy of overpaying for natural gas, just not to buy it from the Russian Federation.

Of course I agree to overpay, receiving hundreds of billions of subsidies from the EU at the expense of the German economy in the first place. And as soon as Germany begins to cut subsidies for them, they immediately fall into hysterics "we will all die".

He considers it necessary to stop the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline in order to deprive Moscow of additional revenues that could be directed by the Kremlin for military spending.

- the pinnacle of idiocy! The volume of the pumped gas will be relatively comparable to that which is being pumped now. It will simply go straight to Germany, and not through Ukraine and Poland. And it is Germany that will put Poland on four points, dictating the price of gas to it.

- the diplomat expresses his concern, while reproaching Berlin for excessive loyalty.

And even more often they demand compensation from Berlin and public repentance for the Second World War, it will not be like that. Last year, Stanmeier was almost brought to his knees to apologize to the heirs of those who guarded the concentration camps. And then they still require special treatment.

[rotmistr60]

Polish ambassador to Germany proposes to "weaken the Russians"

Has the ambassador forgotten or does not know the history of his state, not to mention the world one? Poland has already fawned at Germany and how did it end for Poland? In 1945, the USSR liberated Poland, which the Poles are trying not to remember even today, which began yesterday, once again, we are enemies of this country. Polish arrogance, the desire to expand territories at the expense of other countries will again play a cruel "joke" with them.

[Constanty]

the desire to expand territories at the expense of other countries will again play a cruel joke with them.

What the fuck! Poland has no territorial claims to any of its neighbors and does not want to expand its territory at all.

Undoubtedly, no one denies the fact that the Red Army (with a small participation of the Polish troops of Berling) liberated Poland from the Germans.
The problem was that the Red Army remained in Poland, which made this liberation very specific.

[rotmistr60]

What the hell!

Crap you write, and apparently from Poland.

The problem was that the Red Army remained in Poland, which made this liberation very specific.

If Poland is so freedom-loving, then explain to me who is in Poland today. Just don't sing about NATO and membership. During the Soviet era, Poland was a member of the Warsaw Pact. Or did you not know about it?

[Constanty]

desire to expand territories at the expense of other countries

Therefore, please indicate in which territories Poland allegedly wants to expand its territory. There are none, so what the Lord wrote is bullshit, bullshit

During Soviet times, Poland was a member of the Warsaw Pact

So what was the status of the Red Army in Poland from May 1945 to 1955, when the Warsaw Pact was just created?

[rotmistr60]

Please indicate referring to the President of Poland

Speaking at the end of October in front of the military, Polish President Andrzej Duda once again recalled the imperial ambitions of his country. He stated that the lands from Brest to Smolensk - that is, the territory of modern Belarus, Ukraine and part of Russia - is the zone of exclusive interests of Warsaw

About the status. And what was the status of the liberating army in all the liberated territories of Eastern Europe? The army that broke the back of fascism could establish any status.

[Constanty]

Leaving aside my critical assessment of President Duda, the sphere of interests is one thing, but territorial claims are one thing.

You wrote about the desire to expand the territory, and not about the sphere of influence - denying my comments in a row (which shows in a bad light not me, but the Lord) will not change the fact that what you wrote was not true.

So, the army could have any status, not by law, but by strength. Only then is it difficult to talk about liberation - isn't it?

[rotmistr60]

Do you know the Russian proverb "What's on the forehead, what's on the forehead"? Let me explain, just in case - about immunity to words, beliefs, persuasion. And also "At least a count on the holoa". So this is about you.

[Constanty]

I do not know this proverb - I know others - "Przyganiał kocioł garnkowi" - for explanation - this is about someone who sees a splinter in the eye of another, but does not see the beam in his own eye.

[ABC-schutze]

And when the Polish "state", whose rulers have been appointed from the outside for almost 400 years, did they manage to have their "own" eye for any "looking at the logs"? and Karl 12 ... Under Catherine, her favorite, Ponyatovsky ... Under Napoleon, the Duchy of Warsaw received not just the "king", but even a whole "constitution" from Bonaparte ... In the notorious "Kingdom of Poland" the Russian the governor-general decides the matter ... Unless a certain "Bolek" (the highest paid electrician in the world) was a Pole and the original product of his own, Polish special services. Which, however, was always shy to admit ...

[ABC-schutze]

Be, if not difficult, somewhat more correct in the choice of definitions. The Red Army liberated not "Poland" from the Nazis, but the territory of FORMER Poland. For, by that moment, the Polish state had ceased to exist. Indeed, even the Romanian border, in September 1939, was crossed not by the notorious "Polish government", but by a banal group of individuals. For the Romanians, before agreeing to allow the Poles to pass, officially demanded that the Polish government resign from all powers. And the Poles fulfilled these requirements. Yes, this territory was inhabited mainly by Poles, but it had the status of General of the Governorship of the Third Reich, and not "Poland". The facts (including the legal status of the territory under discussion ...) are just like that. And the presence in London of some kind of operetta "Polish government" in the context of the "existence" of the Polish state means absolutely nothing. The Red Army liberated the territory of former Poland from the Nazis. And the USSR, on the LEGAL rights of the winner, HAD EVERYTHING, in fact, the BASIS to independently determine the future status of these territories. And their affiliation ... But being interested in the subsequent long-term peace in Europe and security on its western borders, allowed the coalition allies to discuss this issue. And Churchill, by the way (not Stalin at all), reminded the Poles of this "government" in London, in a very "clear text." The meaning of his answer is that nations that are NOT ABLE to maintain their state independence should take it for granted that their subsequent fate will be decided by the victors. It will not be lazy, I will find this quote from Churchill in my archives and quote ... USSR, excuse me, this is not a waiter on call for you. And he liberated these territories from the Nazis not "for the Poles," but for his security and future peace in Europe and on his western borders. And without being obliged to the Poles, he left his troops on these territories quite LEGALLY ...

[Machito]

Quote: Constanty

the desire to expand territories at the expense of other countries will again play a cruel joke with them.

What the fuck! Poland has no territorial claims to any of its neighbors and does not want to expand its territory at all.

Undoubtedly, no one denies the fact that the Red Army (with a small participation of the Polish troops of Berling) liberated Poland from the Germans.
The problem was that the Red Army remained in Poland, which made this liberation very specific.

American and British occupation forces are still occupying Germany, capturing its gold reserves.
Poland has no territorial claims against Belarus, Ukraine and the Russian Federation? Yes, these claims are already voiced by Polish officials.
Look, do not play out with the USA, Poland The fourth section will definitely not survive.

[Dmitry Makarov]

A week ago, this Polish ambassador demanded $ Trillion from Germany as compensation for the occupation of Poland.
Does this Polish idiot think the Germans will take him and his country seriously?

[Crimean partisan 1974]

that the Europeans should not do this, and suggests "weaken the Russian" ..... Che. proposes to add purgen to food products and send it to the Russian Federation ... yeah ... a cooking plan

[Cowbra]

Tadam !!! How does this compare with:

EU adopts regulation on combating terrorist content on the Internet
Brussels confirmed that Internet platforms will have to remove content deemed terrorist within an hour.

And the definition from the EU is the spread of propaganda.

[Volodin]

Quote: Cowbra

Tadam !!! How does this compare with:
EU adopts regulation on combating terrorist content on the Internet
Brussels confirmed that Internet platforms will have to remove content deemed terrorist within an hour.

"You don't understand, this is different" ... (c)

[Cowbra]

Quote: Volodin

You don't understand, this is different

I was neighing, look for a picture, this is from Anadolu's agency. Turkish:

As if nothing had happened. You say there is no censorship?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Volodin

"You don't understand, this is different" ... (c)

Yes, under this "shop" you can close everything, of course, except for LGBT people.

[Pavel73]

Unsatisfied imperial ambitions do not give life.

[Pereira]

Our Ambassador to Germany should be invited to strengthen Poles through gender diversity. And let someone in the West object.

[tihonmarine]

The Polish ambassador to Germany believes that the Europeans should not do this, and suggests "weakening the Russians."

Sly pshek, wants to rake in the heat with someone else's hands. Although the same Europeans do not care about Greater Poland dreams.

[cniza]

The Polish ambassador to Germany believes that the Europeans should not do this, and suggests "weakening the Russians."

So that you don't have to relax on the toilet yourself ...

[Ruslan Sulima]

How is it, Oysya you oysya, I will not touch you, you do not worry)

[Niko]

Quote: Tatiana

The Polish ambassador to Germany offers to "weaken the Russians."
He agrees with Warsaw's policy of overpaying for natural gas, just not to buy it from the Russian Federation.

However cunning the Pole does not agree to Germany about the corruption scheme of profit on Russian gas, which exists between Ukraine and Poland and which allows Poland to recover losses for the supply of more expensive American LNG. Namely.

Poland is in a share with the Kiev authorities for an unjustified increase in the cost of Russian gas for the Ukrainian population, allegedly due to the REVERSE of Russian gas from Poland to Ukraine, which in fact does not occur.
In fact, Russian gas from Poland to Ukraine does not reverse, but simply remains on the territory in Ukraine, and the authorities in Kiev simply fictitiously increase the price for it for Ukrainian gas consumers. This is done as a result of the political and financial collusion of the Kiev authorities with Poland for corruption "kickbacks" to Poland.
Slovenia is also involved.

The Polish ambassador to Germany, proposing to "weaken the Russians", is simply being ridiculed over the national interests of Germany! In particular, he apparently believes that the Polish authorities are allegedly in a position to outwit Germany in their Polish interests.

Well, what you certainly shouldn't worry about is the fact that in GERMANY someone will perceive the statements of the Pole as a guide to action

[iouris]

Weaken the Russians, then the Germans, and then ...

[iouris]

OVER MANY LETTERS.
We have no complaints against the Polish or any other people. Start with yourself.

[A.K.]

The main thing with the weakening of Russia is not to crap in the corridor. (as in the famous joke)

[Ruslan Sulima]

And we did not know did not expect

[Ruslan Sulima]

Zombies have forgotten what war is ..

[Evil 55]

Poland is the hyena of Europe ... Who it was, it remains ..

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The only threat in the world is NATO with the United States and the Russophists from Poland who are grunting at them)).

[Niko]

Quote: Egoza

Quote: Niko

Sometimes it is surprising how zealous ambassadors in Germany act

Well, sitting in Germany you can dream and perform.

I also sit in Germany, and, of course, all sorts of garbage comes into my head, but not so much

[orionvitt]

what would be the reaction in modern Poland if the Russian ambassador in Berlin proposed to "weaken the Poles."

It looks like someone who has not received it for a long time. Insolent at the end. So let them buy gas with an overpayment, and the Germans will somehow decide for themselves. And in general, American jackals, in general, have lost their fear.

[jovanni]

Quote: figvam

All the present policy of Poland repeats the past

Moreover, they did not answer for Ivan Susanin ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

It was with the "weakening of the Russians" that World War II began. The Poles were so "weakened" that they themselves were weakened to 0. Before that, they were weakened in the 16-18 centuries. They don't learn anything. Isn't it time to start the first partition of Poland?

[Metallurg_2]

Psheki run into the fifth section. I just hope this section will be final.

[Viktor Afanasev]

Russophobia ...
Everything that the current government of Poland is doing.
There is no other business or concern.

Performs the same role in Europe - that we have Valka Tereshkova - to bark in time what they order ...

[va3610]

Hyena of Europe ...

[Sergey Kulikov_4]

Apparently pawns have not been divided for a long time

[Burtas]

Here is Lyakh restless ... more than anyone else ... this is how an insignificant man represents his country as our enemy ...

[Burtas]

The gentlemen will not calm down until they get the bream ...