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Drawn Karabakh: Looking from the Future

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The situation in Armenia seems to have stabilized. Nikol Pashinyan, who was aptly named "Azerbaijanian of the Year", managed to sit in his chair.

But how long has peace been established in the South Caucasus?

And what should be the further diplomatic and military movements of Russia in this region?

The emergence (or rather, the return) of a new extremely active and not always friendly player, Turkey, in the Transcaucasus, literally requires changes. From everyone, including Russia.

Drawn Karabakh: Looking from the Future

It is no secret that in the Kremlin, with Pashinyan's coming to power, the attitude towards the Armenian elite, and towards the future of this country, and towards its status as a Christian outpost in the region, has radically changed. Immediately a lot of problems arose that a small Transcaucasian country endowed Russia with.

The further fate of Armenia began to interest Moscow only in the context of its own geopolitical interests, which is understandable and logical.

The successive and hating authorities of Armenia had thirty years to solve the problem of the occupied territories. But a solution never appeared, with all the abundance of options, the corresponding UN resolutions and support for integration structures like the EAEU, CSTO, etc. etc.

But the Karabakh cart did not budge.

Arm and wait?


It seemed to the Armenians that the conflict was frozen for centuries.

The retribution for this delusion was cruel.

About ten years ago, Azerbaijani leader Ilham Aliyev made a fundamental decision to create a new type of army in the republic.


In addition, he accepted the offer of "Erdogan's friend", which was extremely difficult to refuse. Azerbaijan began to buy heavy weapons from Turkey and Russia. Thousands of Azerbaijani officers have been trained in Turkish military universities.

Two years ago, a dress rehearsal and reconnaissance in force was held, as a result of which about a hundred soldiers were killed on both sides. At the same time, it was decided in principle to introduce into the game the Turkish drones "Bayraktar", which was assigned the mission of the chief coordinator of long-range artillery. It was the "homework" of the Azerbaijani side.

The Kremlin calculated the next Karabakh war "from a to z". All its consequences were predicted and analyzed. A number of behind-the-scenes negotiations were also held with Aliyev and the general staff of his republic.

As a result, it was decided to take the position of an outside observer until Azerbaijan returns all the territories that had been taken away from it.

Shusha became a stumbling block.

It was not by chance that the main bargaining flared up because of her. From the convenient positions of Shushi, the Azerbaijani army with its long-range artillery is capable of covering the capital of Karabakh - Stepanakert.

As a result, apparently, the most experienced Aliyev made such proposals to the Kremlin that outweighed the need to cover up its traditional ally - Armenia. Azerbaijan was actually allowed to take Shusha. And he took it.

Defeat was programmed


With Nikol Pashinyan, who at that time was vigorously clearing out his general staff from pro-Russian officers, no one was going to conduct such negotiations. In fact, the defeat of Armenia was programmed.

The Azerbaijani army did not shine with any new military thought and new technology (except for the "Bayraktar") in this theater of military operations. In fact, it acted according to the "Afghan patterns" well-known in the Russian General Staff.

But even they were too tough for the renewed Armenian generals. After the end of the campaign, the exemplary flogging of the Armenian elite quickly ended, which, fortunately, did not turn into a repetition of the events of 1915 or 90s.

Now the Armenians of Stepanakert will live under the gun of the Azerbaijani artillery. And it seems that the Kremlin is convinced that this will have a very good sobering effect for the Armenian elite.

Although Shusha itself is now also under the gun of the Ulyanovsk airborne brigade, which is densely settled in Karabakh. Such is the "policy of checks and balances" with the participation of long-range artillery - new "colors" of the Kremlin's Caucasian policy.

Little of. Many experts and political strategists (mostly of Armenian origin) hysterically warned the Russian elite about the prospect of an inevitable Turkishization of Transcaucasia. But in the Kremlin, they began to perceive this with Olympic calmness (which was not the case before, in principle).

To "turn" everyone?


Turkish expansion into Georgia and Azerbaijan was inevitable from the moment these republics gained their sovereignty. The former Soviet Transcaucasia is a kind of geopolitical piston of a huge region. If one player leaves, another will immediately come.

And all that the “proud” elites of the Caucasian quasi-states are capable of (and really can do) is to change their masters. And that is not on their own. They will never be independent players in the region.

Russia has not expressed a great desire to return to the region filled with problems.

With the same Georgia, any diplomatic relations have been frozen for many years. The Kremlin remembered her only when it was necessary to pull out another poisoned Georgian splinter from its body and "squeeze out" another region (Abkhazia, South Ossetia) as punishment.

And always with some kind of local war, some upheavals, casualties among the Russian peacekeepers ... Only in South Ossetia, in the course of the eight-day war, half a company of Russian paratroopers-peacekeepers died.


And Receb Tayyip Erdogan today is one of the most intelligible partners of Moscow. And the Kremlin, it seems, is not opposed to having one instead of a kaleidoscope and flickering of small scandalous and unpredictable kings in the region. But predictable and at least relatively reliable.

Erdogan's trump cards


Although it is difficult to call Erdogan absolutely reliable, you see. Indeed, in his geopolitical deck there are several trump cards, which our violent and problematic Transcaucasian neighbors do not have in sight.

First. Turkey is a real self-sufficient state with its clearly defined national interests (in contrast to the Transcaucasian quasi-states). She, unlike the neighboring pygmies, will never look for a new owner overseas.

It is always easier to deal with such states. Leaders of such countries, as a rule, remember well their reputation and momentary image, knowing what loss of face means. Especially in the East.

Second. According to Putin, Erdogan is always predictable and always keeps his word. And if it crosses the red lines somewhere, then it is quickly put in place - including in its geopolitical underbelly (Syria), as well as in its own territory.

Third. An excellent deterrent to a possible Turkish expansion in the Transcaucasus is the presence in the neighboring region of an entire army of "Putin's foot soldier" Ramzan Kadyrov, loyal to Russia.

And the question of replacing part of the Ulyanovsk airborne brigade with Chechen "infantrymen" seems to be only a matter of time. Pro-Turkish militants have clashed with Chechens in Syria many times.

They will never tease this mountain wolf unnecessarily. Moreover, Ramzan himself has long dreamed of “forcing” someone to peace in the neighboring region.

And the Armenian people will now have to live for centuries with another poisoned thorn in their hearts - after the loss of Ararat and the vast territories adjacent to it.

Alas, such is the price of the shortsightedness, vanity, and arrogance of his modern elite.

History, as you know, does not teach anyone anything. But he takes cruel revenge for her ignorance.
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  1. Owl
    Owl 25 March 2021 05: 14
    -9
    Merchants ... Selling a corrupt "ally" for lucrative offers. They forget that traders are not respected, they are used ...
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 25 March 2021 06: 56
      +8
      The Kremlin calculated the next Karabakh war "from a to z".

      You just need to understand -Before this or after that?
    2. dSK
      dSK 25 March 2021 07: 11
      +3
      Quote: Eagle Owl
      For great offers
      Fourth Erdogan's trump card: Turkey is a member of NATO.
      Biden is certainly an "old stump", but very experienced, cunning and humble. He does not scream like Trump is "the best president in the history of the United States." But he oversaw a successful ukromaydan ...
      1. dSK
        dSK 25 March 2021 07: 33
        +3
        Armenian Defense Minister Vagharshak Harutyunyan considers it necessary to change the structure of the country's army. With such a statement, he spoke at the government hour in parliament. 24 March, answering the questions of the deputies. In particular, Harutyunyan drew attention to gradual merging of the armies of Azerbaijan and Turkey. To counter the threat posed to Armenia by the Turkish-Azerbaijani tandem, according to the Minister of Defense, structural reforms are needed and raising to a new level of cooperation with Russia.
        1. Civil
          Civil 25 March 2021 08: 10
          +13
          The third. An excellent deterrent to a possible Turkish expansion in the Transcaucasus is the presence in the neighboring region of an entire army of "Putin's foot soldier" Ramzan Kadyrov, loyal to Russia.

          The author, these comrades, at the slightest turbulence and weakness in Moscow, will amicably go over to the side of Turkey. Why? Do you really think that 2 Chechen wars have been forgotten in Grozny?
          1. dSK
            dSK 25 March 2021 08: 16
            +6
            Quote: Civil
            the slightest turbulence and weakness in Moscow
            Siluanov tried many times to reduce subsidies to the Northern Caucasus, but Kadyrov successfully repels these attempts.
            And if Siluanov's receiver makes a "cut" ...
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 25 March 2021 10: 03
              0
              Quote: dsk
              And if Siluanov's receiver makes a "cut" ...

              Life will do it. There will be a dilemma - to feed Russia or Chechnya
              1. Petrik66
                Petrik66 25 March 2021 12: 16
                +5
                Chechnya is not so big and to compare either or - the usual demagogic method And to frighten that the Chechens will betray, so we betrayed them in Khasavyurt, when in fact we gave up those who worked with us and fought with us. In Syria, the Chechens perfectly demonstrated their qualities - not a single ... ... shot.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 25 March 2021 12: 19
                  0
                  Quote: Petrik66
                  compare either or or - the usual demagogic trick

                  So compare the subsidies to Chechnya and the Kostroma region.
                  1. Petrik66
                    Petrik66 25 March 2021 13: 06
                    +7
                    The Kostroma region was twice not leveled to dust by aviation and artillery. or it doesn't count. demagogy
                2. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 25 March 2021 12: 36
                  0
                  About shishani just enchanting nonsense. Even to think about sending them to defend Christians against Muslims, it must be contrived. Each Chechen teip has relatives in Turkey and neighboring regions. In Syria, the situation is completely different, Muslims maintain order among Muslims in long-defended territories, they do not participate in battles.
                  From the latest news:

                  At the end of February, the elected Prime Minister of Libya, Abdul-Hamid Dbeiba (PNS, which the Turks support), met with Ramzan Kadyrov.

                  The parties expressed their interest in further building up cooperation in the fight against terrorism.
                  The Libyan Prime Minister will soon send a delegation to address issues of training Libyan special forces at the Russian Special Forces University in Gudermes.
          2. Artyom Karagodin
            Artyom Karagodin 25 March 2021 12: 49
            +16
            I myself live in the Caucasus, I have been to Chechnya more than once. So, from PERSONAL experience I can say that in Chechnya they understood (albeit not immediately) that there is no point in fighting Russia. And portraits of Putin hang there at every step, because they see in him the one who gave the republic peace and the opportunity to live in accordance with his way of life. He is REALLY respected there.

            Yes, there are supporters of radical Islam there, as in all the Caucasian republics (and not only in the Caucasian ones). But there are only a few of them. And the attitude towards the Russians has changed there, and, moreover, strongly and for the better. Especially to those who lived there before the war. Chechens perceive them as their own. And they would not mind if they returned. It's another matter that in the eyes of the Russians, Chechnya will not become an attractive region for life for a long time. The wounds are still fresh, and life in the republic is very different from the life of the rest of Russia. However, this should not always be perceived as a negative point. What is wrong, for example, in the fact that many stores there hang signs "no alcohol, don't even ask" (seen with my own eyes)?

            As for relations with Turkey, it is extremely unlikely that in the event of a conflict with Turkey, they will go over to their side. Islam is Islam, but even in Russia no one forbids them to pray to Allah, and the Turks have the ability, wherever they assert their power, to pursue a policy of otumanization, as is the case with the Kurds, who actively resist this policy. There is no need to guess how the Chechens will perceive such steps.

            This is roughly the picture in reality. So you, Vadim, are wrong.
    3. Vend
      Vend 25 March 2021 10: 11
      -7
      What will happen to Karabakh? I think the answer is simple. In the fifth year of the truce, Armenia and Azerbaijan will not agree, 4 years of peace with the Russian peacekeepers will do their job, the people of Karabakh do not need war. They will understand that peace is possible only with Russia. As a result, there will be a Karabakh referendum on joining Russia. Any military solution to territorial problems in the former Soviet republics pushes towards Russia, because people are beginning to understand that peace is possible only within Russia.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 25 March 2021 10: 40
        +9
        Does Russia need Karabakh - that is the question
        1. Vend
          Vend 25 March 2021 16: 42
          +1
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Does Russia need Karabakh - that is the question

          Karabakh needs peace, and while it is being divided, there will be no independence.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 25 March 2021 17: 14
            +5
            I agree. But this is not the answer to my question))
            1. Vend
              Vend 25 March 2021 17: 47
              +2
              Quote: Krasnodar
              I agree. But this is not the answer to my question))

              Your question will be answered either by time or by the President of Russia)
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 25 March 2021 18: 49
                +3
                Also correct)).
            2. saigon
              saigon 27 March 2021 17: 52
              0
              I will try to answer the question whether Russia needs Artsakh?
              At the moment he is not needed, at all, and I suspect Azerbaijan does not really need it.
              The land there is saturated with blood and, most importantly, with hatred, and there is no end in sight.
              Mentally, this territory at the moment will poison those who own it, years of peace and quiet, that's what is needed there.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 27 March 2021 18: 44
                0
                Exactly
              2. New Balance
                New Balance 28 March 2021 19: 38
                0
                There is no such place-name as "Artsakh", there is Karabakh, which is the territory of Azerbaijan.
                PS You, first of all, need to raise healthy young people who will not pretend to be sleeping in public transport when pregnant women and old people are standing nearby ...
                Start with this, dear Russians.
        2. vlad106
          vlad106 27 March 2021 18: 40
          +4
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Does Russia need Karabakh - that is the question


          Neither Karabakh is needed for a hundred years, let alone its inhabitants, who crawl to Russia like cockroaches (by the way, almost all of the people of Yerivan have already crawled. There are some percentages left).
          But the most important thing is that they swear their love for Russia, and in the meantime, the number of robberies, rapes and murders of Russians by this "Aryan" tribe, as they believe, is growing exponentially ...
      2. New Balance
        New Balance 28 March 2021 19: 33
        0
        Who are these "people of Karabakh"?
        hai (Armenians), in the early 90s they killed Azerbaijanis living for centuries in Karabakh, the rest were expelled and became "the people of Karabakh"?
        Let Russia, represented by Moscow and St. Petersburg, for a start, accept the rest of Russia in its composition, because the Russians who live in the regions have not yet felt this ...
        And in Karabakh, which is recognized by the entire world community, including Russia, as an integral part of Azerbaijan, the Azerbaijanis themselves will figure it out .... As they say, "without snotty".
        Azerbaijan has a very wide experience in meeting and seeing off guests ...
        Both requested and not requested.
    4. max702
      max702 26 March 2021 12: 44
      +5
      It's just that Azerbaijan has something to offer Moscow, Armenia, besides sitting on the neck of Moscow, there is nothing to offer .. Especially when sitting on our neck and shitting in all directions. It seems to me that Aliyev asked the peacekeepers to calm Erdogan down and give time to digest the reached this question was not asked at all ..
      pc: My personal opinion was to leave them with each other and help both of them as the situation develops, making their own little gesheft and weakening both sides .. Old England has ruled the world for 300 years ..
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  3. svp67
    svp67 25 March 2021 05: 34
    +7
    She, unlike the neighboring pygmies, will never look for a new master overseas.
    Yah....
    the presence in the neighboring region of an entire army of "Putin's foot soldier" Ramzan Kadyrov, loyal to Russia.
    Which "sultan" can oppose his armies of "loyal infantrymen"
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 25 March 2021 06: 53
      +15
      Although Shusha itself is now also under the gun of the Ulyanovsk airborne brigade, which is densely settled in Karabakh.

      And where did the peacekeepers get artillery from? what
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker 25 March 2021 07: 04
        +16
        And why would paratroopers suddenly serve in a motorized rifle brigade ?! fool moreover, in Ossetia there were fighters of the same brigade. Moreover, she is from the Samara region, and not from Ulyanovsk.
        The author is just a superficial deletant who decided to voice his conjectures.
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 25 March 2021 09: 48
          0
          is the presence in Armenia and Karabakh cheaper than the content of AV? - this is the answer to friends about the development of the fleet - to expand influence not with ships but with boots and tracks
        2. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 25 March 2021 09: 56
          +16
          Quote: Old Tankman
          The author is just a superficial deletant who decided to voice his conjectures.

          I agree with you - the article is just an enchanting gag that has little to do with reality
        3. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 25 March 2021 16: 16
          -1
          Quote: Old Tanker
          And why would paratroopers suddenly serve in a motorized rifle brigade ?! fool moreover, in Ossetia there were fighters of the same brigade. Moreover, she is from the Samara region, and not from Ulyanovsk.
          The author is just a superficial deletant, who decided to voice his conjectures.

          Do not judge strictly the "orphan". He is not the first to confuse the 31st Airborne Brigade. from Ulyanovsk (the "fire brigade" of the CSTO for actions in the Central Asian region, for actions in the Caucasus, the CSTO has another "fire brigade" - the 56th Airborne Brigade, Southern VO) with the 15th MRB. (peacekeeping) from Samara ...., Central Military District.
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 25 March 2021 16: 36
        -2
        Quote: LIONnvrsk
        Although Shusha itself is now also under the gun of the Ulyanovsk airborne brigade, which is densely settled in Karabakh.

        And where did the peacekeepers get artillery from? what

        Good question. In the 15th MRB. (peacekeeping) located in the NKR, there are no PA guns, although I think there are mortar batteries in the ISB (3) brigade ...
        The 15th Motorized Rifle Brigade includes:
        - management (headquarters)
        - 3 motorized rifle and 1 tank battalion;
        - anti-aircraft missile division;
        - anti-aircraft missile and artillery battalion;
        - reconnaissance battalion;
        - engineer battalion;
        - control (communications) battalion;
        - repair and restoration battalion;
        - logistics battalion;
        - rifle company (snipers);
        - company of radiation, chemical and biological protection;
        - a company of unmanned aerial vehicles;
        - a company of electronic warfare;
        - commandant company;
        - medical company;
        - battery of artillery reconnaissance;
        - platoon of control and radar reconnaissance;
        - a platoon of instructors;
        - orchestra.

        Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/2171206/4318995/
        As we see in the MRBR missing a couple hell of SG ..... and MLRS .....
        However, I think that it can be strengthened by the PA quickly, transferring them from the 102nd WB in Armenia, at one time, from Georgia, the Russian Federation (during the liquidation of the WB) took out a lot of weapons to Armenia .... about which to the Georgians with "gratitude" Azerbaijanis remember .....
        So, there should be no problems with PA (both cannon and reactive), as well as PTS ...
        Problems can only be in l / s ....
        Sometimes "newspapermen" confuse the peacekeepers of the 15th MRB. with the paratroopers, there is some excuse for this:
        Three years ago, the brigade began to switch to BMD-4M airborne combat vehicles and BTR-MDM "Shell" armored personnel carriers. The BMD-4M is armed with the Bakhcha-U combat module with a 100-mm cannon, a 2A70 launcher and a 30A2 72-mm automatic cannon. Also, a PKT-M machine gun is installed on the machine.
        BTR-MDM "Shell" is armed with a portable autonomous machine-gun mount, a course machine-gun mount with a firing range of up to two thousand meters. It is designed to transport troops, ammunition, spare parts and fuels and lubricants.

        Read on WWW.KP.RU: https://www.kp.ru/daily/2171206/4318995/
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 25 March 2021 05: 47
    +7
    The author-history is a "collection of facts" how not to do, this is what she teaches! You wrote the article as if you were a Turk, and you need to impose your opinion about the inevitability of a presence on these lands, but everything is simple, the Turks are strong there, where we, including our diplomacy, are weak. We rely on the local elites, they are displaced, or they scatter, the Turks act in a complex manner, they invest in one or another former republic, they carry out a creeping expansion, they spend money on creating jobs there, but for this they receive at least, loyalty to yourself. And in the future, and control, as in Abkhazia, for example! It was high time for us to act in the same way, the example of uk-roin, the Kremlin's stake on yanyka, complete ignore of nationalists, the result of a deplorable loan of 3 billion dollars, we naturally will never get back, yanyk cowardly fled, uk-roinu was seized by nationalists! The Kremlin's "bet on the wrong horse" is yielding such disastrous results. And we need to act in a comprehensive manner, to recognize the Donbass, to start actively and openly helping it, including in terms of returning land from Ukraine to the republics, and therefore to Russia. ..
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 25 March 2021 09: 00
      -3
      Quote: Thrifty
      the result is deplorable - we will naturally never get a loan of $ 3 billion,

      The Russian Federation and China have agreements on friendship, cooperation, trade, etc., etc. About a week ago, China sued Ukroruina for Motor Sich for $ 3 billion. Interesting coincidence of numbers, huh? And China, unfortunately, is not Russia, they will "freeze" their money from the ruins in the London High Court. Then we, you see, will give China a gas (fortunately, we have enough for everyone), and China will give us 3 lard dollars.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 25 March 2021 10: 06
        +2
        Quote: Captain45
        and China will give us 3 lard dollars.

        Will not give it up. Do not specify at what price China buys gas and oil from us? laughing
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 25 March 2021 17: 05
      0
      Thriftyour diplomacy is weak

      Diplomacy is weak because of weak diplomats, because as at MGIMO now only "thieves" study, children of Foreign Ministry workers, who themselves 30 years ago found "Shevardnadovskaya" diplomacy, as well as "Kozyrevskaya" ...
      Our diplomats are at work, hostile in a diplomatic war with a rapidly changing foreign policy environment .......
      We cannot even make a forecast for a week about the domestic and foreign policy of the CIS countries, what can we say about the Empireists ...
      We focus on local elites

      Controversial statement, incl. if we are talking about the Caucasus. For example, we did not support Shevardnadze, but resigned ourselves to the coming to power of Saakashvili, Rushailo was sent there immediately after that for negotiations ...
      As a mockery:
      From May 13, 2010 to October 30, 2013 - Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation for the Development of Relations with Kyrgyzstan.
      this is where the mess after every election ...
      https://tass.ru/encyclopedia/person/rushaylo-vladimir-borisovich
      The senior comrade in Adjara was handed over to the Georgians, although he was a pro-Russian politician, after that we were thrown out by the Georgians in gratitude by our WB, and now the Turks are in charge of Adjara ...
      We supported the Armenians in the first Karabakh war because of the nationalist Elchibey in Baku, having the same in Yerevan, if we supported Baku, then we did not have the 102nd WB in Armenia either (according to agreements with Armenia, the Russian Federation departed the 127th MRD reduced staff, which later became the 102nd WB) ...
      Turks they act in a comprehensive manner, they invest in one or another former republic, they carry out a creeping expansion, they spend money to create jobs there

      I beg you, Turks are working everywhere in Adjara, not locals, Turks open a business and after that they bring personnel from Turkey, there is a creeping occupation of a part of Georgia, respectively, the Georgians have exchanged Russians for Turks ...
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 25 March 2021 17: 21
      -1
      Thrifty
      But we need to act in a comprehensive manner, to recognize the Donbass

      Within the boundaries that he is now the Russian Federation is not profitable ...
      If we recognize it now, then the expansion of the territory of Donbass at the expense of the territory of Ukraine can only be with the help of the Russian Federation, and the Russian Federation is not profitable, because The Russian Federation will be considered as an aggressor towards Ukraine ...
      It's another matter if the Ukrainian Armed Forces start an offensive against the LPR and DPR, unrecognized by the Russian Federation, then, while protecting its citizens, the Russian Federation can expand Donbass at the expense of the entire territory of the Left-Bank Ukraine, at least ... will not, because to lose the industrial East and the entire Azov region they cannot handle ...
      start actively and openly helping him

      The Russian Federation is already helping, in contrast to the gasified Ukraine, there is not a gasified Voronezh region nearby .... an echo of the former Union and "equal opportunities and prosperity" of its Republics ....
      including in terms of returning land from Ukraine to the republics

      Go and help ...
      Ukraine, in order to return Donbass back, needs to decompose it from the inside, the Russian Federation, in order to get Novorossiya within the borders of the 19th century, it is necessary to provoke Ukraine to attack the Republic ...
      1. dSK
        dSK 25 March 2021 19: 04
        +1
        Quote: Lara Croft
        RF to get Novorossiya within the borders of the 19th century, it is necessary to provoke Ukraine to attack the Republic...
        What for? Biden has a lot of specialists in these matters ...
  5. Dart2027
    Dart2027 25 March 2021 05: 55
    +4
    The further fate of Armenia began to interest Moscow only in the context of its own geopolitical interests, which is understandable and logical.

    So it should be - the main thing is your interests.
    1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
      Rita Aletdinova 1999 26 March 2021 01: 00
      -7
      Then do not be surprised why no one from the neighbors loves Russia! You are a disgrace!
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 26 March 2021 18: 35
        +1
        Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Then do not be surprised why no one from the neighbors loves Russia!

        Blah blah blah ... These tales of love are sung every time they want Russia to solve someone's problems for thanks. But there will be no more freebies.
        1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
          Rita Aletdinova 1999 28 March 2021 21: 27
          -2
          Then get used to being a rogue and don't complain.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 28 March 2021 21: 31
            -2
            Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
            Then get used to being a rogue and don't complain.

            I didn't understand the humor ..
            1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
              Rita Aletdinova 1999 28 March 2021 21: 35
              -2
              No humor! What can Russia offer its neighbors? Nothing! What kind of government is ruling in Russia now? Thieves! What development awaits them? None! We need a Soviet model of development, but the oligarchs will not allow this.
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 29 March 2021 19: 11
            0
            Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
            Then get used to being a rogue

            Outcast? Well, well ... If we don’t give you alms, then you won’t talk to us? Yes please.
            Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
            We need a Soviet model of development, but the oligarchs will not allow this

            Who raised all these oligarchs?
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 March 2021 06: 08
    +1
    Unusual point of view on the problems of Transcaucasia. We all probably have a point of view adopted in the USSR. Well, let's look at the further development of events.
  7. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 25 March 2021 06: 21
    +13
    At the end it was necessary to write: "I swear by my mother! Everything that was written is not fiction, but verified first-hand information, including from the Kremlin administration and the General Staff."
    1. vlad106
      vlad106 27 March 2021 18: 55
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir61
      At the end it was necessary to write: "I swear by my mother! Everything that was written is not fiction, but verified first-hand information, including from the Kremlin administration and the General Staff."


      ))) This is how Armenians are expressed ... "mom klyanus"))) when someone was fooled ...
  8. apro
    apro 25 March 2021 06: 46
    -5
    In order to discuss this, it is necessary to clearly represent the opportunities and interests of the Russian Federation in that region. And this is a big lack of agreement. The gradual loss of leverage and the weakness of the position. Leads to a suspended state. There are no solutions that satisfy all parties to the conflict. And the role of the arbitrator of the Russian Federation is clearly not pulls.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 25 March 2021 07: 30
      -4
      Quote: apro
      leads to a suspended state. there are no solutions satisfying all parties to the conflict. and the role of an arbitrator of the Russian Federation is clearly not drawn.

      This is our solution. Time is playing on us. With the arrival of Trump (if by that time the United States has not collapsed yet), the United States will finally lose global influence in the World (they will focus on internal problems) and all the former (and not only) will again want to return to the fold of Russian civilization, and thus the conflict in N. Karabakh will dissolve by itself.
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 25 March 2021 07: 46
        +5
        The United States will finally lose its global influence ...


        Yes, you just wait ... laughing

        and all the former (and not only) will again want to return to the bosom of Russian civilization


        And what is interesting in this civilization? Opportunity to work on oligarchs for $ 300?

        and thus the conflict in Karabakh will resolve by itself.


        Yeah, it will be so. wassat
        1. apro
          apro 25 March 2021 08: 03
          -2
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Yes, you just wait.

          Hope and wait ... all life is ahead, so life will pass.
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          Yeah, it will be so.

          Of course there will be. One of the parties will not be .... and so yes.
      2. apro
        apro 25 March 2021 08: 01
        +2
        Quote: Boris55
        will again want to return to the bosom of Russian civilization and thus the conflict in Karabakh will resolve by itself.

        Russian civilization ... and what is it like ??? and how is it better than the Turkic or Armenian ???
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 25 March 2021 08: 33
          -8
          Quote: apro
          Russian civilization ... and what is it like?

          Three civilizations have formed in the World - these are:
          - the civilization of the West (many different states under the leadership of the hegemon);
          - the civilization of the East (many different states united by faith);
          - and Russian civilization (a single state with different peoples and religions).
          The differences between them lie in their culture. This is most clearly expressed in their beliefs, which lay down the basic principles of the world perception of their peoples:
          - Christianity;
          - Buddhism;
          - Orthodoxy.

          ps
          Orthodoxy in Russia was before the adoption of Christianity by Vladimir.
          1. apro
            apro 25 March 2021 08: 41
            0
            Boris, as I understand it, there are clear advantages. You cannot specify.
            Quote: Boris55
            Orthodoxy in Russia was before the adoption of Christianity by Vladimir.

            Orthodoxy, as I understand it, is not Christianity? Or is it a phenomenon that has not yet been studied?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 25 March 2021 08: 59
              -5
              Quote: apro
              Boris, as I understand it, there are clear advantages. You cannot specify.

              Do you think that our culture is no different from the culture of the West and the East, the culture of the East is no different from the culture of Russia and the West, and the culture of the West is no different from the culture of Russia and the East? laughing
              If we are the same as the West, then why is the West trying to physically destroy us?

              Quote: apro
              Orthodoxy, as I understand it, is not Christianity?

              You understand correctly.
              Christianity is in the name of father, son and St. spirit.
              Orthodoxy is rule, reality, nav.

              ps
              In those distant times, the righteous (Orthodox) and the righteous (faithful) lived in peace and harmony. Christianity divided people.
              1. apro
                apro 25 March 2021 09: 02
                +1
                Quote: Boris55
                Do you think that our culture is no different about the culture of the West and the East,

                Yes, it is clear what it is, but where are the economic advantages of the Russian world, based on the Russian system of management, and culture is one of the elements of management
                1. Boris55
                  Boris55 25 March 2021 09: 05
                  -2
                  Quote: apro
                  but where are the economic advantages of the Russian world.

                  This is not our way. In everything you need to know when to stop:



                  culture is one of the controls

                  Culture shapes our worldview. From how we think, we do so, as we act, so we live.
                  1. apro
                    apro 25 March 2021 09: 15
                    +1
                    Quote: Boris55
                    Culture shapes our worldview.

                    Understood. I have no questions.
              2. grazhdanin_Rossii
                grazhdanin_Rossii 25 March 2021 18: 02
                -1
                In those distant times, the righteous (Orthodox) and the righteous (faithful) lived in peace and harmony. Christianity divided people.


                Civil strife was between the tribes and especially the nobility (which made them call Rurik to reign).
                Orthodoxy is Christianity.
                Where do all these stories about "Vedic Rus", "rule, reality, nav" and so on come from?
          2. saigon
            saigon 27 March 2021 18: 10
            -1
            Sir, I would like to note that at the time of the adoption of the faith by Vladimir, there was practically no division into Orthodoxy and Catholicism.
            In Russia, in addition to the confessions you have indicated (although it is not clear why Orthodoxy is separated from Christianity), there is Islam (in various forms) and even shamanism.
            But what kind of faith united the civilization of the East is not clear.
            Shintoism in Japan, for example, Buddhism, Islam, Confucianism and Christianity in China alone, can you list about India too?
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 28 March 2021 08: 12
              -1
              Quote: saigon
              at the time of the adoption of the faith by Vladimir, there was practically no division into Orthodoxy and Catholicism.

              1. Vladimir adopted Christianity, and a year before that - Arianism.
              2. If there was no division between beliefs, then why such cruelty?

              Quote: saigon
              But what, forgive me, the faith united the civilization of the East is not clear.

              The same can be said about Russia.
          3. gsev
            gsev 29 March 2021 01: 24
            0
            Quote: Boris55
            Three civilizations have formed in the world

            There are many more civilizations. Toynbee considered the Korean-Japanese civilization a single civilization. Now the Korean civilization is independent and has every chance of becoming stronger than the Japanese. In addition, within the Korean civilization, there is a division into North, South and overseas Koreans. Or take the Finns. What civilization should they be attributed to? Orthodox and Protestants there are considered representatives of the same civilization or different ?. Are Karelians and Finns one people or different peoples? Some consider all the Finno-Uror peoples of the Povozhye to be Finns. And what was the attitude of the state security agencies of the USSR to the representatives of the Finns? It seems that only those who belonged to the Finnish nation, practically from the moment of birth, were brought up with a personal file in the KGB. Apparently this fact alone gives rise to talking about a special Finnish civilization.
        2. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 25 March 2021 19: 27
          -4
          Quote: apro
          and how is it better than the Turkic or Armenian ???

          For Turks and Armenians, it is definitely worse ...
      3. New Year day
        New Year day 25 March 2021 09: 58
        -1
        Quote: Boris55
        all the former (and not only ones) will again want to return to the bosom of Russian civilization ..

        Hear a clever, knowledgeable general


        1. Boris55
          Boris55 25 March 2021 10: 31
          -2
          Quote: Silvestr
          Hear a clever, knowledgeable general

          To many, looking at us from the back, it seemed that we were on our knees, and we were just laced up ankle boots... It was the general who did not climb out of television (TVTs) during perestroika ... not everyone was given such an honor - only traitors.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 25 March 2021 10: 49
            -1
            Quote: Boris55
            - only to traitors.

            Are you already a judge? Rolls over
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 25 March 2021 19: 31
              -4
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Boris55
              - only to traitors.

              Are you already a judge?

              With shoulder straps and ...
  9. Professor
    Professor 25 March 2021 07: 53
    +2
    The Kremlin calculated the next Karabakh war "from a to z".

    The author is wishful thinking. The Kremlin was taken by surprise by this war, and the military generally slept through and therefore the destruction of air defense and armored vehicles of the allies looked so spectacular.

    Azerbaijan was actually allowed to take Shusha. And he took it.

    Azerbaijan asked no one for permission to liberate its Shusha or not.

    The Azerbaijani army did not shine with any new military thought and new technology (except for the "Bayraktar") in this theater of military operations. In fact, it acted according to the "Afghan patterns" well-known in the Russian General Staff.

    Yah? In addition to drones, they were used "according to Afghan patterns" ??? fool loitering ammunition, high-precision bombs and operational-tactical missiles, long-range anti-tank systems of the third generation, modern electronic warfare systems, decoys and further on the list.

    Although Shusha itself is now also under the gun of the Ulyanovsk airborne brigade, which is densely settled in Karabakh.

    However ... If the artillery of the Ulyanovsk airborne brigade finishes off to the enemy, then the enemy finishes off to the Ulyanovsk airborne brigade. In other words, the Ulyanovsk airborne brigade is under the gun of the Turkish artillery.

    And always with some kind of local war, some upheavals, casualties among the Russian peacekeepers ...

    Peacekeepers? Did they have a mandate of 8.8.8 or did the author himself decide that they were peacekeepers?

    Erdogan's trump cards

    In general, especially nonsense about "Putin's infantryman" loyal to Russia, Ramzan Kadyrov "He is devoted only to himself and how he says to" Allah. " If he has to make a choice between Putin and fellow believers, then the choice is obvious. I would say that in the North Caucasus there is a whole army of the loyal "infantryman of Allah" Ramzan Kadyrov who "killed his first Russian at the age of 16".
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 25 March 2021 20: 04
      +1
      Professor (Sokolov Oleg)The Kremlin was taken by surprise by this war, and the military generally slept
      Did you decide that because you were not warned about the war?
      destruction of air defense
      Yes, there was no air defense there, air defense weapons were stupidly placed without goals or tasks, why are they here ...
      Azerbaijan asked no one for permission to liberate its Shusha or not.

      In theory, this is his territory, previously taken by the RI from the Persians ...
      In addition to drones, they were used "according to Afghan patterns" ??? fool loitering ammunition, precision bombs and operational-tactical missiles, long-range anti-tank systems of the third generation, modern electronic warfare

      Almost all of this was in the Afghan war only a generation below ...
      However ... If the artillery of the Ulyanovsk airborne brigade finishes off to the enemy, then the enemy finishes off to the Ulyanovsk airborne brigade. In other words, the Ulyanovsk airborne brigade is under the gun of the Turkish artillery.

      Professor do not slip into a madhouse ... The author confused the 31st Ulyanovsk DShBr. from the 15th MRB. (peacekeeping) which has no PA at all in the state .... accordingly, neither the Turks, nor the Azerbaijanis, nor anyone else can be under the gun of the Russian MS, and even more so the airborne brigade ...
      And there is no Turkish PA either in the NKR or in Azerbaijan, so the "tag" cannot be at gunpoint of the Turks ....
      Peacekeepers? Did they have a mandate of 8.8.8 or did the author himself decide that they were peacekeepers?

      The parties to the conflict decided that the "tag" would perform the functions of the MC (see clauses 3-6 of the Agreement), indicated the boundaries of the MC posts and their areas of responsibility .... and enshrined this in the Agreement ...
      .... the Agreement states that the UN Commissioner for Refugees is involved in the implementation of the implementation of this Agreement ....
      https://meduza.io/feature/2020/11/10/kreml-opublikoval-tekst-soglasheniya-o-prekraschenii-voyny-v-nagornom-karabahe-on-ochen-otlichaetsya-ot-togo-chto-rasprostranyali-ranshe
  10. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 25 March 2021 07: 54
    +12
    , and to its status as a Christian outpost in the region

    What is the outpost of Christianity? Figurative relations with Georgia, good with the Islamic Republic of Iran
    unmanned aerial vehicles "Bayraktar", which were assigned the mission of the chief coordinator of long-range artillery.

    They are drums
    Adjustment - Elbit Hermes
    With Nikol Pashinyan, who at that time was vigorously clearing out his general staff from pro-Russian officers, no one was going to conduct such negotiations.

    According to Putin, he led with both. Pashinyan was asked to allow Azerbaijani refugees to return to Shushi, after which hostilities ceased. He refused - they say it is unacceptable.
    The Azerbaijani army did not shine with any new military thought and new technology (except for the "Bayraktar") in this theater of military operations. In fact, it acted according to the "Afghan patterns" well-known in the Russian General Staff.

    Spikes, Haropes, Czech self-propelled guns in conjunction with UAVs and DRGs. The pattern is not Afghan, but Afri. But most of all I liked the opening of the air defense by unmanned An-2 unmanned aerial vehicles - these are the Azerbaijanis themselves, with their brains they made a cheap and reliable method of bait.
    Well, strikes in different directions - Lachin, Shushi, Red Bazaar under pressure in the North made it possible to quickly take Shusha
    -----
    In my opinion, not the deepest analytics
  11. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 25 March 2021 08: 00
    +4
    The author is completely naive and amuses himself with fairy tales. The Kremlin knew, the Kremlin calculated .... and the Turks took and multiplied you to zero in the region and that's it.

    You can arrange there 9 brigades to hang around and at this time the Turks will take everything to China. And then they will look at you. And it is not necessary to build great ones - a hundred and a half million for such a territory is not enough. To detain your country, you have to be at least 300-400 million.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 25 March 2021 10: 13
      +3
      Russia's loss in Karabakh is primarily a military-political one. Turkey has shown the benefits of an alliance with her and not the benefits of this with Russia. The East is very sensitive to this. Military exercises of Turkey and Uzbekistan are underway right now, they have approved an agreement on military cooperation. They are also doing well with Kazakhstan, they signed a similar agreement. They need technology, knowledge, modernization of their army from Turkey. The fact that the old Soviet approach is completely outdated is already obvious to everyone. The main thing is access to European markets through Azerbaijan and Turkey. By the way, this is also beneficial for Bulgaria, most of the traffic will pass through you, infrastructure projects are also on your territory, it is also better to build joint ventures here. Therefore, your authorities are friendly to Turkish.
      Artsakh itself is no longer interesting, everyone benefits from the current situation. The Armenians and Russia have saved their face, Russia has a base and a point of pressure, Azerbaijan does not need to feed a hostile region and there is no international pressure, Turkey does not lose its importance for Azerbaijan as a military ally, the military problem remains and an increase in tension between Russia and Azerbaijan is inevitable, very similar to Georgian script.
      Azerbaijan took the empty, naturally rich areas, reached its borders, and received a corridor to Nakhichevan. So the current state of affairs is for a very long time.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 25 March 2021 17: 59
        0
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        They need from Turkey Technology, knowledge, modernization of your army

        ===
        Turkey has ~ 80 percent of the economy in the service sector
        1. gsev
          gsev 29 March 2021 01: 30
          0
          Quote: Victorio
          Turkey has ~ 80 percent of the economy in the service sector

          Turkish industrial electronics in Russia are found no less often than Russian ones.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 29 March 2021 15: 50
            0
            Quote: gsev
            Quote: Victorio
            Turkey has ~ 80 percent of the economy in the service sector

            Turkish Industrial Electronics in Russia occurs not less often than Russian.

            ===
            yes bulbs meet
            1. gsev
              gsev 31 March 2021 12: 38
              0
              Quote: Victorio
              yes bulbs meet

              Load cells, software on equipment supplied from Turkey for the production of various products. The PRC was crushed by the light bulbs. In addition, low-voltage equipment, after the aggravation of our relations with Turkey, practically disappeared for a while and with difficulty but rather stubbornly begins to replace the French Schneider in Russia.
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 25 March 2021 10: 14
      +5
      laughing
      The Turks have multiplied to zero a country with an anti-Russian leadership and dubious loyalty to Russia.
      Now this country is tame and pro-Russian - not from a good life and not from a great love for Russians, but still.
      Regarding the Turkish influence in the region, it is natural among the Turkic-speaking peoples and nothing needs to be done about it. The only thing is that he increased the military presence in the Transcaucasus, but this has already been done.
      1. gsev
        gsev 29 March 2021 01: 32
        0
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Now this country is tame and pro-Russian - not from a good life and not from a great love for Russians, but still.

        Many Armenians consider Pashinyan's government more pro-Azerbaijani than pro-Armenian, but by no means pro-Russian.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 29 March 2021 01: 53
          +2
          In fact, it is pro-Western. People tried to fight corruption, scoring on the country's defense and negotiations (the latter is populism). So he grabbed it, although in the fight against corruption, according to the Armenians, he achieved certain results.
          1. gsev
            gsev 29 March 2021 02: 36
            0
            Quote: Krasnodar
            So he grabbed it, although in the fight against corruption, according to the Armenians, he achieved certain results.

            Under Pashinyan, many well-known personalities who especially knew how to fight were accused of corruption. Are you aware of the judicial confirmation of these charges? My sources claim that under the guise of combating corruption, Pashinyan removed persons he disliked from the military leadership. For example, a military general was accused of stealing several cans of stew, although this man had expensive contracts to ensure defense.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 29 March 2021 04: 08
              +2
              About the military of Armenia, whose generals should have been judged long before Pashinyan for the technical army at the level of the 80s, the lack of mechanisms for rapid mobilization, the inconsistency of the country's armed forces with modern threats, etc.
              And I'm not talking only and not so much about the army - according to the Armenians, most of the doctors, teachers and officials of the country could be “bought in their own interests”, etc.
              And Pashinyan began to correct it, and somewhere successfully
              1. gsev
                gsev 29 March 2021 04: 41
                +1
                Quote: Krasnodar
                About the military of Armenia, whose generals should have been judged long before Pashinyan

                With all due respect to you, it was interesting for me to check the statement that under Pashinyan they could not convincingly prove in court the accusations of corruption and economic crimes expressed from his entourage.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 29 March 2021 06: 01
                  +1
                  I don’t know this - a question for the residents of Armenia hi
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    4. Rita Aletdinova 1999
      Rita Aletdinova 1999 26 March 2021 01: 05
      -2
      In fact, this is the absolute truth! Russia is not able to oppose anything to Turkey, and they have firmly settled in the Caucasus, seeing the weakness and helplessness of Russia.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 26 March 2021 02: 50
        +2
        Capable. Army)). And not only in the Caucasus
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 26 March 2021 04: 55
          +3
          It's too early to write off Russia from the accounts.
          But, apparently, many people want it.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 26 March 2021 06: 09
            +2
            This is how they betrayed Russia's stronghold in the Transcaucasus ... what
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 26 March 2021 06: 31
              +2
              Any alliance involves a mutual effort. What status of Karabakh can suit Russia?
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 26 March 2021 07: 08
                +3
                Azerbaijani - to put an end to this headache.
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 26 March 2021 07: 11
                  +2
                  But what about the previous thesis about "stronghold"?
                  I'm not ready to cut off the decision so unequivocally.

                  However, the absence of Monomakh's hat allows you to live your own life.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 26 March 2021 07: 19
                    +2
                    The mainstay of what is the most important question.
        2. Rita Aletdinova 1999
          Rita Aletdinova 1999 28 March 2021 21: 27
          0
          Not capable. There, the location is in favor of the Turks. and Transcaucasia is almost lost for the Russian Federation.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 28 March 2021 22: 04
            +1
            Turkey by itself, without NATO, has no opportunity to confront Russia in the sky, for example. They have a pretty smart army, but the weight classes are different.
            1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
              Rita Aletdinova 1999 29 March 2021 01: 43
              -3
              Turkey is very strong! Their fleet is much stronger than the Russian one, and the logistics are in their favor! The infantry is also very powerful.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 March 2021 02: 00
                +1
                Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
                Turkey is very strong! Their fleet is much stronger than the Russian one, and the logistics are in their favor! The infantry is also very powerful.

                I don’t argue about logistics.
                The fleet is stronger than the Black Sea, but not all Russian, in addition, in a puddle called the Black Sea, they will also have to face the numerical superiority of Russian aviation and missiles from the Crimea)).
                And when the Baltic Fleet enters Mediterranean Sea, the superiority at sea will simply be leveled.
                The Turks are not an easy opponent, they know how and have always been able to fight, but the Russian Federation is not their weight category for a "successful foreign company" in the Transcaucasus.
                The infantry is at the level of Russian contract soldiers. Artillery is powerful. But all this is not enough for military solutions outside their own country against the superpower.
      2. gsev
        gsev 29 March 2021 01: 39
        +2
        Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
        Russia is not able to oppose anything to Turkey, and they have firmly settled in the Caucasus, seeing the weakness and helplessness of Russia.

        In principle, Aliyev never pursued an openly anti-Russian policy and did not allow his country to be drawn into an active clash with Russia. Surely Azerbaijan is interested in a counterbalance that will support its independence in the economic sphere in case of aggravation of relations with Turkey or Iran. or with UK investors. But as a purely political partner without interaction in the economy, technology, and industry, no one in the world is particularly interested in Russia now.
        1. Rita Aletdinova 1999
          Rita Aletdinova 1999 29 March 2021 01: 47
          -2
          Aliyev has been pursuing an anti-Russian policy from the moment he became close to Turkey and forbade calling Azerbaijanis by Russian names at the legislative level. And the attack on the pro-Russian Nagorno-Karabakh is a slap in the face, first of all, to Putin and the entire Russian leadership. Azerbaijan and Georgia are wholly and completely under their masters the Turks, in geopolitical terms the Transcaucasia is lost to Russia. Not a single Russian ruler allowed the Turks into the Caucasian underbelly!
          1. gsev
            gsev 29 March 2021 01: 54
            +2
            Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
            ... And the attack on the pro-Russian Nagorno-Karabakh is a slap in the face, first of all, to Putin

            Aliyev could not help but take advantage of the chance that the Armenian leadership gave him to return the lands lost in the 1990s. It makes no sense for Russia to get involved in hostilities if the Armenian leadership itself does not recognize the independence of Nagorno-Karabakh or its belonging to Armenia. In addition, the special services of Armenia effectively and professionally interned all Armenians who came through Armenia to fight in Nagorno-Karabakh during the October war.
          2. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 29 March 2021 02: 05
            +2
            Quote: Rita Aletdinova 1999
            Aliyev has been pursuing an anti-Russian policy from the moment he became close to Turkey and forbade calling Azerbaijanis by Russian names at the legislative level. And the attack on the pro-Russian Nagorno-Karabakh is a slap in the face, first of all, to Putin and the entire Russian leadership. Azerbaijan and Georgia are wholly and completely under their masters the Turks, in geopolitical terms the Transcaucasia is lost to Russia. Not a single Russian ruler allowed the Turks into the Caucasian underbelly!

            Since when was Nagorno-Karabakh pro-Russian? laughing He has always been the only Armenian consensus, apart from the struggle for the recognition of the genocide and the direction of his policy was militant-nationalistic.
            What spit to Putin? lol Together with Aliyev, Erdogangm agreed on the punishment of Pashinyan, nothing more.
        2. Rita Aletdinova 1999
          Rita Aletdinova 1999 29 March 2021 01: 50
          -3
          Turkey is now much stronger than Russia, both physically, politically and economically, which is proved by their recent successes! Sad but true!
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 29 March 2021 02: 08
            +2
            Economically - I do not know, the lyre is in the area of ​​competence of a proctologist, physically - he wrote above, politically - Erdogan managed to quarrel with the States, Jews and is very impartial to the EU, which keeps the refugees behind a throat. It won't last long.
  12. New Year day
    New Year day 25 March 2021 09: 52
    +1
    Hurray article! The author has forgotten yesterday's statement by Aliyev about the possible denunciation of the agreement with the Russian Federation on peacekeepers by Azerbaijan. In his opinion, the Russian Federation is abusing its position in Karabakh and is building its base there.
    So not everything is so rosy
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 25 March 2021 10: 09
      +1
      yesterday's statement by Aliyev on the possible denunciation by Azerbaijan of the agreement with the Russian Federation on peacekeepers.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 25 March 2021 10: 12
        -1
        You can laugh and then cry, especially after visiting the taiga laughing
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 25 March 2021 10: 24
          +1
          You can laugh and then cry, especially after visiting the taiga laughing
          You can laugh, you can cry, in the next 5 years, our peacekeepers in Karabakh are a harsh, very harsh reality, and the pointless path to Kanatchikova dacha is arguing with reality.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 25 March 2021 10: 52
            -4
            Quote: Trapp1st
            in the next 5 years, our peacekeepers in Karabakh are harsh

            Why guess? We watch and listen to Aliyev. Think he's chatting! He warns and you will not do anything against the denunciation of the treaty. Azerbaijan has found an alternative. However, like Lukashenka. He who has eyes will see
            1. Trapp1st
              Trapp1st 25 March 2021 10: 56
              +3
              He who has eyes will see
              Those who have a brain will think.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 25 March 2021 11: 25
                -2
                Quote: Trapp1st
                Those who have a brain will think.

                laughing
                To do this, you must at least be able to read
                1. Trapp1st
                  Trapp1st 25 March 2021 11: 28
                  +5
                  Are you talking about yourself? Immodest laughing For this you must at least read
                  I just decided to continue the phrase, did not want to offend anyone, you are having an attack of unreasonable panic today.
              2. Professor
                Professor 25 March 2021 11: 26
                0
                Quote: Trapp1st
                He who has eyes will see
                Those who have a brain will think.

                That is, Azerbaijan will ask foreign troops to leave the sovereign territory of Azerbaijan, and these troops will refuse, becoming illegitimate and becoming invaders? Oh well.
                1. Trapp1st
                  Trapp1st 25 March 2021 11: 27
                  0
                  That is, Azerbaijan will ask foreign troops to leave the sovereign territory of Azerbaijan.
                  There is an agreement between Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia, it is not enough just to ask even with a magic word. And since when did Israel learn about the phrase "sovereign territory"?
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 25 March 2021 11: 42
                    +2
                    Quote: Trapp1st
                    There is an agreement between Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia, it is not enough just to ask even with a magic word.

                    Of course, the agreements are denounced first, and then they "ask" foreign troops to get home from the sovereign territory. And something tells me that these troops will not want to become hostages and will leave the sovereign territory of Azerbaijan.

                    Quote: Trapp1st
                    And since when did Israel learn about the phrase "sovereign territory"?

                    From the first day of Israel's existence. Anyone who tried to poke his nose into the sovereign territory of Israel felt the hard way what a sovereign territory is. hi
                    1. Trapp1st
                      Trapp1st 25 March 2021 12: 02
                      +1
                      what is a sovereign territory.
                      If you understand the meaning of this phrase, it turns out that the sovereign territory of another state does not mean anything to you, and then suddenly
                      sovereign territory of Azerbaijan
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 25 March 2021 12: 08
                        +4
                        Quote: Trapp1st
                        If you understand the meaning of this phrase, it turns out that the sovereign territory of another state does not mean anything to you, and then suddenly

                        Of course, it means that we also do not climb into the sovereign territory of a foreign state.

                        Quote: Trapp1st
                        sovereign territory of Azerbaijan

                        Karabakh is a sovereign territory of Azerbaijan. Check with your Foreign Office.
                      2. Trapp1st
                        Trapp1st 25 March 2021 12: 16
                        +3
                        Of course, it means that we also do not climb into the sovereign territory of a foreign state.
                        laughing On the blue eye. What kind of person ... Also a Russophobe for sure.
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 25 March 2021 12: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Trapp1st
                        Of course, it means that we also do not climb into the sovereign territory of a foreign state.
                        laughing On the blue eye. What kind of person ... Also a Russophobe for sure.

                        I do not know whether you are Russophobic or not, and it does not interest me.
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                      5. Trapp1st
                        Trapp1st 25 March 2021 14: 55
                        +4
                        it is not interesting for me
                        You insensitive monster, how can I continue to live with this? That's it ... I creak a contract with selfish death! ...
                    2. Victorio
                      Victorio 25 March 2021 15: 28
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                      Quote: Trapp1st
                      Of course, it means that we also do not climb into the sovereign territory of a foreign state.
                      laughing On the blue eye. What kind of person ... also a Russophobe for sure.

                      ===
                      ) not for sure, but for sure.
                  2. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft 25 March 2021 20: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    Of course, it means that we also do not climb into the sovereign territory of a foreign state.

                    Do not blaspheme the professor, but give the Golan with a water source back to the working people of the SAR and we will believe you ...
                  3. Professor
                    Professor 26 March 2021 10: 14
                    -1
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    Quote: Professor
                    Of course, it means that we also do not climb into the sovereign territory of a foreign state.

                    Do not blaspheme the professor, but give the Golan with a water source back to the working people of the SAR and we will believe you ...

                    ... thereby violating Israel's sovereignty? I repeat once more: "Sovereignty is sacred for us."
                  4. hydroy
                    hydroy 26 March 2021 14: 30
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                    So these are not your territories, you are encroaching on the sovereignty of the SAR, since it is sacred, then give the SAR)
                  5. Professor
                    Professor 26 March 2021 14: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: hydroy
                    So these are not your territories, you are encroaching on the sovereignty of the SAR, since it is sacred, then give the SAR)

                    No, this is a primordially Jewish land. How to say Golan in Arabic? wink
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 25 March 2021 12: 25
      -2
      Quote: Professor
      and these troops will refuse becoming not legitimate and becoming the occupiers? H

      This is how the naive type of patriots, the laws of the side, the contracts in the furnace, and then, "and we are for what"?
    3. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 25 March 2021 20: 22
      -3
      Quote: Professor
      and these troops will refuse becoming legitimate and becoming the occupiers?

      The Russian Federation does not claim the lands of Azerbaijan, so it is not in its interests to return to the conflict, Baku will not support either the United States or the EU ...
      If he wants to throw the "tag" out of the NKR, let him try, if he wants to "free" the remaining NKR, let him try ...
      At the same time, the United States and the EU are not only ready for cooperation with Russia, but also support the independent diplomatic efforts of Moscow (the trilateral negotiation format of the RF-Armenia-Azerbaijan, as it was in 2008-2012 and after the April 2016 escalation). So, according to Richard Hoagland (he served as co-chair of the OSCE Minsk Group in January-August 2017): “It is absolutely clear that Moscow does not want a war in Nagorno-Karabakh, Moscow does not want a war between Azerbaijan and Armenia.
      This will destabilize the entire region and harm the interests of Russia. "
      predecessor James Warlick (served as American co-chairman in
      September 2013-December 2017) also stated: “The conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh -
      a problem that Russia and America can work on together. " Today, Karabakh actually remains a unique case in the post-Soviet space, where the approaches of Moscow and Washington do not differ radically from each other. Both Russian and American diplomats see the basis for a peaceful solution in the implementation of the "updated Madrid principles" (also known as "basic").

      https://mgimo.ru/upload/iblock/ebb/rossiya-v-processe-nagorno-karabahskogo-uregulirovaniya.pdf
      1. Professor
        Professor 26 March 2021 10: 17
        +1
        Quote: Lara Croft
        RF does not claim the lands of Azerbaijan

        And whose land does it claim? George, Ukraine, Japan, Moldova?

        Quote: Lara Croft
        If he wants to throw the "tag" out of the NKR, let him try, if he wants to "free" the remaining NKR, let him try ...

        Only Azerbaijan decides when and how to liberate Karabakh.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 26 March 2021 12: 06
          -1
          Quote: Professor
          Quote: Lara Croft
          RF does not claim the lands of Azerbaijan

          And whose land does it claim? George, Ukraine, Japan, Moldova?

          Neither Giorgi, nor Japan, Moldova? RF took nothing away ...
          Ukraine,
          from her the Russian Federation took back what was presented to her in violation of the still Soviet law ...
          Only Azerbaijan decides when and how to liberate Karabakh.

          Well, if he has two lives, let him go and set him free ...
          On the other hand, why did he then sign the Agreement with the RA, could he continue to liberate the NKR?
          1. Professor
            Professor 26 March 2021 12: 14
            +1
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Quote: Professor
            Quote: Lara Croft
            RF does not claim the lands of Azerbaijan

            And whose land does it claim? George, Ukraine, Japan, Moldova?

            Neither Giorgi, nor Japan, Moldova? RF took nothing away ...
            Ukraine,
            from her the Russian Federation took back what was presented to her in violation of the still Soviet law ...

            So whose neighboring lands does the Russian Federation claim?

            Quote: Lara Croft
            Well, if he has two lives, let him go and set him free ...
            On the other hand, why did he then sign the Agreement with the RA, could he continue to liberate the NKR?

            Aliyev took a break.
          2. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 26 March 2021 12: 32
            -2
            Quote: Professor
            So whose neighboring lands does the Russian Federation claim?

            Nobody's. The Russian Federation took nothing away from Georgia, Moldova, and even more so from Japan ...
            You probably ate something professor ...
            The Russian Federation is a kind and peaceful country, just from time to time evil people from Europe come to us and try to take something away from us ... they got in the teeth and whined back ...
            Aliyev took a break.

            For 5 years? Least.....
          3. Professor
            Professor 26 March 2021 12: 36
            +3
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Nobody's

            So they would write right away, otherwise:
            Quote: Lara Croft
            RF does not claim land Of Azerbaijan


            Quote: Lara Croft
            For 5 years? Least.....

            It is up to Aliyev to decide.
          4. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 26 March 2021 13: 06
            -2
            [quote = professor] [quote = Lara Croft] Nobody's [/ quote]
            [quote] So they would write right away, otherwise: [/ quote]
            [quote = Lara Croft] RF does not claim land Of Azerbaijan[/ Quote]
            And what is incomprehensible to you, how it was necessary to write for you to understand? I am not a shrink and I do not know what mental processes are going on in your head, we discussed the first conflict in the NKR, for some reason you dragged Japan and Georgia and Moldova from which the Russian Federation did not take anything ...
            [quote] It's up to Aliyev to decide. [/ quote]
            You are strange people - Israeli Jews. The agreement is trilateral, but for some reason only Aliyev decides ...
            He, of course, can try to solve something, the question of how he will fulfill it, if the other parties to the Agreement do not like Aliyev's decision ...
            Otherwise, imagine Aliyev as the arbiter of the destinies of the entire Caucasus ... he would decide his own destiny ...
  • gsev
    gsev 29 March 2021 02: 46
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    Quote: Silvestr
    Hurray article! The author forgot yesterday Aliyev's statement about the possible denunciation by Azerbaijan

    Most likely, Nagorno-Karabakh should be a bargaining chip in the negotiations between Armenia and Azerbaijan. With this statement, Pashinyan's party seems to offer Russia to fight for the rights of the Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh, sacrificing its purely Russian interests in favor of Azerbaijan. And Armenia, for non-interference in the affairs of Nagorno-Karabakh, looks like it also intends to bargain for something from Turkey and Azerbaijan, but this has nothing to do with Artsakh. Perhaps negotiations have begun on a transport corridor from Turkey to Central Asia.
  • Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 25 March 2021 09: 58
    +6
    The author does not even pretend to be impartial and objectivity, although he may simply have made a mistake in the universe.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 25 March 2021 10: 36
    +3
    The author presents his illusions as reality.
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  • Undecim
    Undecim 25 March 2021 13: 22
    +4
    The Kremlin calculated the next Karabakh war "from a to z".
    Is there a new "panagurist" analyst of a turbo-patriotic persuasion on the site? Or is it Kamenev's reincarnation?
  • Victorio
    Victorio 25 March 2021 14: 48
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    The situation in Armenia seems to have stabilized. Nikol Pashinyan, who was aptly named “Azerbaijanian of the Year”, managed to sit in his chair.
    ===
    paid (with the help of Western comrades), where and to whom it is necessary, or maybe only coped with promises and threats
  • Basarev
    Basarev 26 March 2021 11: 40
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    And in my opinion, the person has once again lost ground. She got involved in Syria, ostensibly to prevent the broads from entering the near zone - she did. The hall will not ask permission and will easily let the militants into their region. That is why the entire geographic Caucasus should be only Russian. So that no one dares to threaten the Kuban, Stavropol and Black Sea regions. But for this it is necessary to break through the knee the local feudal order, to displace the local princelings ... But the person will not have enough will for this. Of course, this is not knitting students.
    1. hydroy
      hydroy 26 March 2021 14: 32
      0
      To break, you need a lot of money, and you also need a force that can displace and not be displaced, Ukraine as an example)
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 26 March 2021 14: 35
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        That's right, that's why there must be a strong rear inside the country, that is, a sincerely loyal people. Not forced state employees who were ordered to smile. But for this you have to cut and not reckon with ranks and wealth. Which again leads us to political will ... which the person does not have.
        1. hydroy
          hydroy 26 March 2021 14: 37
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          Who do you want to cut? Georgians, Azerbaijanis, many of them may not adequately relate to Russia. )))
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 26 March 2021 14: 39
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            About the wheelhouse, I spoke about the rear, which I mentioned, that is, inside the country to clear Avdeev's stables. And when it turns out to establish firm order and finally the country begins to breathe evenly, the time will come for the Caucasus. The return of Russia there as the sole ruler is inevitable. This is the decree of fate.
  • Seal
    Seal 26 March 2021 18: 03
    +4
    But how long has peace been established in the South Caucasus?
    Do not worry. For a long time.
    and to its status as a Christian outpost in the region.
    Are you in the sense that the problems of Armenia were to be dealt with not by the secular authorities, but by Patriarch Kirill or Pope Francis?
    that outweighed the need to cover up the traditional ally - Armenia.
    Why would an eternally pro-American Armenia suddenly become considered our ally? Yes, she strenuously pretended that she was our "ally". From "pretending" to "being" is a huge distance.
    Pashinyan, Pashinyan ... What does Pashinyan have to do with it?
    The only difference between Pashinyan and Sargsyan is that Pashinyan sometimes allows himself to say what he thinks.
    Is it under Pashinyan that the US Embassy in Armenia reached 2,5 personnel?
    Was it Pashinyan who allowed the United States to equip American bacteriological laboratories in Armenia that collect DNA samples ??
    Is it Pashiyan who was awarded a special medal in the USA: "Ellis Island Medal" (a public medal, but recognized by the US Congress and highly respected, there is practically not a single former US President who has not been awarded this medal), which is given "for a special contribution to the development of relations this or that state with the USA ".
    But Sargsyan received such a medal back in 2011, during his visit to the United States. Apparently just for allowing the activity of US bacteriological laboratories on the territory of Armenia. As soon as he assumed the post of President of Armenia (in 2008), he allowed it (in 2009). By the time Sargsyan left, there were already 12 such US bacteriological laboratories in Armenia.
    Was it Pashinyan on the day of the national holiday of Armenia (Flag Day) on May 18, 2016, with his entire retinue in the center of Yerevan, was opening a monument to Nazi Nzhdeh? No, Pashinyan was nothing then. And the monument to Nazi Nzhdeh was opened by Serzh Sargsyan with his retinue.
    Sargsyan and all previous presidents of Armenia, just like Pashinyan, focused exclusively on the United States. But they knew how to keep their mouths shut and did not forget to periodically loudly praise Russia.
  • Seal
    Seal 26 March 2021 18: 08
    +1
    Quote: Wend
    As a result, there will be a Karabakh referendum on joining Russia
    Excuse me, but our, the Russian referendum on the satisfaction of the request of Karabakh (that is, the part of it that has remained under the Armenian self-government) to join us, do you in any way suppose?
  • Vefa Sadig
    Vefa Sadig 27 March 2021 10: 53
    +2
    bullshit
  • Fisherman
    Fisherman 30 March 2021 22: 59
    +1
    The largest US embassy in the world LOST this war to Azerbaijan. We were just waiting for the corpses of pro-American Armenians to be thrown into the dustbin of history by other Armenians. Primakov also told the Armenians "return the occupied lands to Azerbaijan, they will have to return", but "the proud brave victors of the great Karabakh war" only crooked their oblique noses and sold themselves wholesale and retail, whoever praised them sweeter and gave more. The result is obvious - you cannot keep someone else's for a long time, you will overstrain.
  • Centurion70
    Centurion70 April 6 2021 13: 44
    0
    The article is full of factual errors and the author's conclusions are very controversial.