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What reforms will save the Russian aviation industry?

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It’s not possible to harness one cart
Horse and quivering doe.

I inadvertently forgot:
Now I pay a madness tribute ...

A.S. Pushkin. "Poltava"


So, the reform, about which we have already talked so much and fiercely, has actually begun. And it began as usual in our country, that is, with a regime of the strictest secrecy, a minimum of intelligible information, and, accordingly, a fairly large number of rumors and conjectures.


The main and not very pleasant moment was that the reform began to be associated with Anatoly Serdyukov, who had already reformed our army quite well, and then worked hard for the good of the Russian helicopter industry.

Let's look at the numbers.

The plant in Kazan shows the following results for the sale of helicopters:
2014 - 107 pcs.
2015 - 77 pcs.
2016 - 70 pcs.
2017 - 65 pcs.
2018 - 52 pcs.
2019 - 52 helicopters.

In Kumertau, Arseniev and Rostov-on-Don, the situation is no better. But helicopters are worthy of special consideration, here are just numbers that show how successful the reforms in the helicopter industry have been.

Now it's turn for aviation... The process went on, as one used to say historical character of great destructive power.

In general, even at first glance, everything does not look very sane. We've already gone through this: consolidation, creation of huge (and clumsy) centers and holdings, re-registration, transfer of property back and forth and other gestures of an incomprehensible nature.

Why is it believed that Serdyukov is behind this? And the line of conduct for all sorts of enlargements is very similar.


It is worth remembering the idea of ​​the former minister to reduce the number of military airfields by enlarging them. So on the Voronezh "Baltimore", according to his plans, the local bomber regiment, increased to a division, and the materiel of the Gagarin Academy, and the Borisoglebsk Aviation School were supposed to huddle. Plus, the airfield could be used to "jump" heavy bombers and strategists.

Very convenient, right? Everything in one place, a couple of missiles - and complete order. And expanse for saboteurs. In general, in a situation "if something happens" the opponent of Anatoly Eduardovich, I think, would have presented him with a very high award ...

It did not grow together. Shoigu canceled plans for enlargement, the airfields remained in the same quantities and (unfortunately) qualities. But at least it was not dismantled for building.

And now there is consolidation in the aviation sector. In order not to sit still.

The idea of ​​creating two huge centers, management and design, in the light of all these events, and even people who have proven themselves not in the best (and even the worst) way, is alarming.

But suddenly Serdyukov's surname was changed by another. Sergey Chemezov, general director of Rostec, decided to take over the management of the reforms. Moreover, Rostec confirmed Chemezov's intentions to take the post of chairman of the UAC Board of Directors and refused to comment on information on Serdyukov's movements.


According to information from Rostec, Chemezov decided to head the UAC board of directors in order to personally supervise the transformation process.

How much Chemezov is better or worse than Serdyukov is difficult to say. Everyone will be able to deduce this for themselves, simply by reading Chemezov's biography on their own, starting from service in the GDR, in the ranks of the Soviet KGB (unexpectedly, yes) and to the modern situation, when he heads many different structures, and his wife bears the title of the most expensive women entrepreneur. And of course, not without corruption scandals.

In our time, all this is commonplace and there is not even much to talk about here.

Why would the Hero of Russia and full holder of the Order of Merit to the Fatherland Sergei Chemezov become so intently watching?

And he will watch how, in the course of the reform, something from the MiG and Sukhoi companies will be made, which in the project is called “a single corporate center of aircraft construction”. That is, in fact, the two companies will nevertheless become a single whole. How and how effective all this will be is difficult to judge now.

“The assessments that Sukhoi and MiG will cease to exist are too radical. Yes, the organizational form of legal entities will change, but the brands and people who make these brands will not disappear anywhere. "- so said in the KLA in response to a question from several media outlets.

That is, in fact, there will be the abolition of companies that developed and produced aircraft as independent structures and their unification under some third organizational structure.

And, quite possibly, under other owners ...

But the saddest thing is not that Sukhoi and MiG will be turned into a single structure, although this initially looks dubious. As they say, this is not so bad.

The trouble is that, according to available information, this "center" will also manage such companies as Tupolev, Ilyushin and Irkut. And in Moscow some kind of unified design center will be created, which will bring together engineers from all companies.

In general, this already looks completely surreal. "Sukhoi" and "MiG", which were engaged in fighters and attack aircraft, "Ilyushin", which built passenger and transport aircraft, "Tupolev" with its bombers and "Irkut", which, in principle, "Yakovlev", who built everything in a row - and in one heap ...

In general, the beginning of all this was laid in 2006, when, in fact, the UAC was invented. All more or less significant developers and manufacturers were pushed into the corporation, as a result of which we have problems with many positions in aviation. Why was all this done? Perhaps in order to transfer all the shares of UAC to Rostec.

In fact, only with the release of Su fighter-bombers and MiG fighters is more or less decent. Transport, civil, special aviation - problem on problem.

Now everything will be dumped into one huge cauldron, in which everything will be cooked ...

Moreover, the process can take on a variety of forms. For example, we discussed one of the reform concepts, when it was actually supposed to transfer design bureaus and the management of aircraft manufacturers from Moscow to production sites. And the vacated areas (including in the central part of Moscow) could be realized and thereby pay off part of the UAC's debts to the state and banks.

The idea received wide publicity thanks to the aviation specialists, who for some reason were not eager to move from Moscow to Komsomolsk-on-Amur or Novosibirsk.

In one of the latest official statements of Rostec, it was noted that the design bureaus would not seem to be relocated from Moscow, since “the Center will be located in Moscow, where the existing test and bench infrastructure of the UAC is concentrated. Moving aviation design bureaus to other regions is not on the agenda. "

You can believe this, but it is difficult. All the same, it turns out that the design bureaus will be moved somewhere under one roof. It is known that in this country one crossing is equal to two fires. It is difficult to calculate how much equipment will be simply destroyed when moving, how many other losses there will be. And what will happen to those test benches that were mounted "for non-handling" a long time ago, in Soviet times, when the very idea of ​​moving the same Sukhoi Design Bureau would have looked either stupidity or sabotage.

Of course, it's not bad that the design bureaus will remain in Moscow. At least specialists will remain. With regard to the idea of ​​dragging everything under one roof, here we can say that we will "see", however, modern reforms in the space industry have led to its paralysis as such. The helicopter industry is also experiencing a decline, and these are links in the same chain.

In the previous article on this topic, I started from Serdyukov's statement from August last year, in which he spoke about more than half a billion debt of the UAC to banks. Yes, capitalization, restructuring and all that. And on the sly - reform with the subsequent sale of "all that is superfluous." Modeled on how Serdyukov famously cleaned up the "extra" northern airfields.

So it is not the very idea of ​​reform that is questionable. The methods are questionable, and most importantly - the people who will be engaged in this reform.

Consolidation reform is not necessarily a bad thing. If you look at history, then at one time in France there was a total monopolization of the aviation sector. Yes, difficulties did happen, but they were caused by several other reasons than the seizure of a heap of private aviation firms by the state and bringing them together into several large ones.

America is also a good example of this, because it is worth looking at how many firms, taken over and bought, formed the same Boeing or Northrop Grumman.

The whole question is solely how to reform everything. If reformers want to get an aviation complex on a national scale as a result, that is one thing. If you make money for yourself personally, then something completely different.

In general, there are no attempts to reform the Russian aircraft industry; most likely, there is nothing so sad. It is enough to look at how much time, for example, PJSC "Ilyushin" tramples with the Il-112V transport aircraft or the Il-114 passenger aircraft.


Source: fyodor-photo.livejournal.com

In general, at Ilyushin, if you look at it that way, everything looks very sad. All that a huge system, which is supposed to develop and produce airplanes, is capable of, is to modernize and individually produce airplanes created in Soviet times. That is, the Il-76. More "Ilyushin" has nothing to brag about.

Yakovlev, who is Irkut, is doing no better. Left without American components, the MS-21 immediately lost its ability to fly, and it is impossible to say how long it will take to replace it. Simply because, on the one hand, we are reporting about total import substitution, and on the other ...

On the other hand, we have the United Aircraft Corporation, through whose efforts and efforts we fly on airplanes from the USA and Europe.

We have the United Engine Corporation, and it is not the first year that we have been talking about how bad things are with engines, especially for ships and space launch vehicles. And the Su-57 is still not quite a fifth-generation fighter, thanks to the work of the UEC. The engine is still missing.

We have the United Shipbuilding Corporation ... And the forces of this corporation are modernizing the Soviet ships of forty years ago, because we are not able to build new ones.

This begs the question: maybe it's enough to combine something? Until you stay naked and unclothed at all? Another would be to create the United Automotive Corporation and all change to "Li Fans".

Reform is needed. Reform in the aviation industry is badly needed.

This can be seen from the fact that all efforts to create the Su-57, a fifth generation fighter, have so far ended in nothing. There is no plane in the sense in which they want to see it in the Aerospace Forces, because they prefer the Su-35, which is in no way inferior, but mastered and familiar.

This can be seen in the way Putin ordered the Tupolev to stop spending money on the PAK DA and start modernizing the Tu-160. This is exactly the same crane in the sky, to which the titmouse was preferred in the hand.

This can be seen from the fact that everyone is rejecting the Superjet, the aircraft has practically no future. Due to the fact that the future of the "Russian" MS-21-300 (the share of localization is as much as 38%), even with Russian PD-14 engines, is very vague, since the plane still does not fly.

Here the transfer of Sukhoi Civil Aircraft to Irkut is quite a normal move. Perhaps, through the combined efforts of two design bureaus, at least one of the two aircraft will be brought to mind.

In general, of course, the fact that the Sukhoi company, which has never produced or developed large aircraft, was able to handle a passenger aircraft, speaks of remarkable potential. The case when energy is for peaceful purposes ...

But where, then, "Tupolev", "Yakovlev" and "Ilyushin", which were eaten by a hippopotamus on passenger planes, not like a dog? Backroom games? Yes, they say.

And here, perhaps, bringing together all the designers of civil aircraft construction, will be able to provide the country with normal aircraft, and not with bastards from the aviation industry, unable to fly, like their colleagues.

Yes, a stone in the Superjet's garden, whose French engines are downright disgusting and unreliable.

Excuse me, where is the reformed UEC? Where is the normal engine? Ah, PD-14 ... We've heard it for a long time. Long.

There is one more nuance. The cumbersomeness of the system being created cannot but inspire anxiety and apprehension. When Boeing got into trouble, the whole world shook because it was Boeing. Of course, our market is not a global one, but why such experiments?

Divide, civil aircraft - separately, military - separately. As it was in the epigraph, there is no need in one team of Tu-160 and MS-21. Will not take off.

I repeat, reforms are needed in our aviation industry. They are very much needed. They were needed even when the manufacturer of fighters started making a passenger plane without having engines for it. And I did, only this plane is not needed by anyone, because they need an airplane that can fly, and not stand waiting for repairs.

Airplanes generally have to fly. And I am for the fact that Russian planes fly no worse than American and European ones. And better than the Brazilian ones, which is a shame for us.

For this we need to reform the aviation industry - let's reform.

But so that at the end you can see the planes, and not the bank accounts with large numbers of those who will be responsible for the reform.
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    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat 24 March 2021 04: 31
      +30
      if the aviation industry is put to manage huckster. promoters and stoolists

      And there is.
      1. Civil
        Civil 24 March 2021 06: 51
        +8
        What reforms will save the Russian aviation industry?


        For example socialist.
        1. Petr1980
          Petr1980 24 March 2021 15: 09
          +6
          There is only one reform - the shooting of the officials stealing ... (and even then it is not a fact that it will work right away).
        2. Alf
          Alf 24 March 2021 17: 37
          +7
          Quote: Civil
          What reforms will save the Russian aviation industry?


          For example socialist.

          But before that, the department of Lavrenty Palycha should work.
      2. Sckepsis
        Sckepsis 26 March 2021 07: 27
        0
        This does not in any way negate the fact that Stalin the gadin was a tyrant and despot, whose deeds almost lost the war. Before praising this cannibal, honestly answer the question: would you like to live with him?
    2. ramzay21
      ramzay21 24 March 2021 05: 49
      +20
      A team of effective managers from a former security officer and a corrupt furniture maker is very well versed in aircraft construction, therefore, in order to carry out an effective reform, their real activities must be classified, and a team of PR specialists who will trumpet everywhere about the next plane that has no analogues in the world should be hired. And that's all, the reform has gone.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 24 March 2021 06: 39
        +3
        I well remember how, under ministers before Serdyukov, they announced about "reforms" and other improvements to the army, how the same Ivanov spoke clearly and beautifully about the army - and it continued to decay and did not correspond to threats or time, and only under Serdyukov these Augean stables were destroyed and washed away ... Together with the disturbed and screaming chasers who "ruled hard" in this very army. The same sales of soldiers for the construction of the generals' summer cottages, the same suffering of all sorts of garbage (with painting the lawns, gluing foliage, forming square snowdrifts and sweeping the parade ground with crowbars so that the soldier gets tired and doesn't ask questions) with hazing from idleness, boredom and dullness ...
        So Serdyukov is the Leader, albeit with sins. The ministers before him were simply afraid to touch anything in this mega corporation, let it rot, but they calmly sit in their chair until they leave
        1. Grandfather
          Grandfather 24 March 2021 07: 59
          +5
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          So Serdyukov is the Leader, albeit with sins.
          The plant in Kazan shows the following results for the sale of helicopters:
          2014 - 107 pcs.
          2015 - 77 pcs.
          2016 - 70 pcs.
          2017 - 65 pcs.
          2018 - 52 pcs.
          2019 - 52 helicopters.
          when did Serdyukov become a "veteran"? eh? did it go?
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 24 March 2021 08: 20
            +8
            Quote: Dead Day
            The plant in Kazan shows the following results for the sale of helicopters:
            2014 - 107 pcs.
            2015 - 77 pcs.
            2016 - 70 pcs.
            2017 - 65 pcs.
            2018 - 52 pcs.
            2019 - 52 helicopters.

            Kazan profiled its position in 2010–2015 by placing a stake on a product that was then a priority for export. And U-UAZ, borrowing ideas from Kazan Helicopters, produced a dozen variants of the Mi-8, which the military desperately needed, and the same China accepted it with open arms. As a result, there is nothing to catch from the military about the Mi-8 - Kazan cannot offer such advanced machines as Ulan-Ude. 
            In 2019, instead of the planned 105 helicopters, Kazan Helicopters delivered 27 and received a net loss of 2,34 billion rubles with debts of 32,8 billion. Kazan Helicopters, for a long time living by its own rules, has accumulated a bunch of debts and a huge amount of overdue iron in the warehouse.
            1. Stirbjorn
              Stirbjorn 24 March 2021 09: 14
              -3
              Time will tell. In theory, large export orders for Ansat should go - Mexico and the same China. And U-UAZ is waiting for a major contract for 200 Mi-226 with India. The prospects for the Mi-38, which Kazan relied on, are not yet clear. There is a helicopter, but the demand is still in question
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 24 March 2021 12: 02
                +4
                Quote: Stirbjorn
                Time will tell. In theory, large export orders for Ansat should go - Mexico and the same China. And U-UAZ is waiting for a major contract for 200 Mi-226 with India. The prospects for the Mi-38, which Kazan relied on, are not yet clear. There is a helicopter, but the demand is still in question


                With the Ansat and the Mi-38, everything is not at all so rosy.
                Initially, projects were formed for export, respectively, the share of imports is very large.

                Mi-226 in the amount of 140 pieces will be made in India .. If, in the end, the contract is nevertheless signed, because since 2017 there have been only victorious reports, but in fact there is no contract.
                1. Stirbjorn
                  Stirbjorn 24 March 2021 12: 42
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                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  Mi-226 in the amount of 140 pieces will be made in India .. If, in the end, the contract is nevertheless signed, because since 2017 there have been only victorious reports, but in fact there is no contract.

                  140 will be assembled in India, and the car sets themselves from Russia hi otherwise I agree with you
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 24 March 2021 11: 13
            +4
            Quote: Dead Day

            2014 - 107 pcs.
            2015 - 77 pcs.
            2016 - 70 pcs.
            2017 - 65 pcs.
            2018 - 52 pcs.
            2019 - 52 helicopters.
            when did Serdyukov become a "veteran"? eh? did it go?


            Now think with your head, not that. that the author of the article put it in your mouth so clearly that you gladly swallowed it without even looking ...

            Who orders the production of helicopters from us?
            Customer. Either the Moscow Region or Rosoboronexport.
            Who orders modifications and improvements from us?
            Customer. those. MO.
            Does the Contractor have to do independent actions for the production of helicopters?
            No, it doesn't.

            What are the claims on the number of vetolet produced to the contractor, who only produces exactly as much as the customer orders him?
        2. Elturisto
          Elturisto 24 March 2021 10: 18
          -3
          That's right, only Chemezov's patriots sewed the corruption case for Serdyukov ... so that he would not interfere with doing business ...
        3. for
          for 24 March 2021 19: 13
          0
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          only under Serdyukov these Augean stables were destroyed and washed away.

          "There is no need to attribute Vasilyeva's merits to him."
          There is no need to write off the names of how the tasks were set and carried out.
        4. adler87
          adler87 13 May 2021 10: 11
          +1
          Absolutely agree. Serdyukov did a lot, and in spite of the generals, who clung to their posts and stools like leeches.
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 13 May 2021 10: 47
            -1
            Quote: adler87
            Serdyukov did a lot, and in spite of the generals, who clung to their posts and stools like leeches.

            Yes, that's why they hate him.
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 24 March 2021 08: 06
        +11
        Grumman, Boeing and Lockheed have been developing and building airplanes for a long time, and no one in the United States would think to unite them and send them to the "sunny" state of Maine ...
        KB is a team of professionals, a well-coordinated team. And one crossing, as they say, is equal to two fires ...
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 24 March 2021 09: 43
          +15
          Here they have a great example.
          Douglas first merged into McDonnell Douglas, then devoured by Boeing. Now in history.
          Grumman - the legendary developer of the world's first serial fighter of the 4th generation. Now devoured by Northrop, the aviation department has been abolished, only UAVs are being made.
          General Dynamics - the developer and manufacturer of the most massive 4th generation fighter in the world. Sold the entire aviation cluster in Lockheed.
          Legendary Rockwell - did everything from Apollo for the Moon and Skylab to B1 bombers. As a result of the reform, it was sold in parts to various corporations. The entire aviation and space division was bought out by Boeing.
          Vought is one of the most creative manufacturers in the world. He always set the tone for design (cookie, Crusader with variable angle of attack wing), concepts that others used on a smaller scale. Drank between Lockheed and Northrop, and the mega-plant went to Watermelon to build kits in the United States.
          Republic - the creator of aircraft very beloved by pilots, who also discovered themselves in new qualities, succumbed to the transcendental level of modernization. Founded by Seversky himself, did not survive the markets of the 60s and was bought out by Fairchild, where they were still able to create A-10 and then the entire parent corporation also died. Moreover, it is tough with the massive sale of assets and factories.

          As a result, now their markets are divided. Lockheed makes his own, Boeing his. There is no particular competition.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 24 March 2021 10: 27
            +8
            Mergers and acquisitions are inevitable in a market economy. But creating a united air monster ... a dubious undertaking ...
            Sukhoi and MIG have worked great in the past, each in its own segment, partly competing and spurring each other on. So are Yak and Il, Il and Tu. Breaking the continuity will be a big mistake, and it has already negatively affected the aviation industry. And the prospects are bleak.
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 24 March 2021 10: 37
              +8
              Well then the Il-112V will be born. For there is no money at all. If you listen to Talikov, then as it was, at first the most brainy middle-aged (who can do it in CAD, and understand the matter) went either to the west or to China. But it still came out somehow to stop. Then, when the Il-112V stalled, there was no money in the design bureau at all. Messengers came from Irkut and began to lure in whole departments. As a result, when the IL-112V topic was reanimated, the specialists remained with grandfathers who wanted to leave with Il, and very green guys who had this first serious topic after university + substandard, which Irkut rejected. Talikov and KB tried to urgently recruit experienced people into departments, already having more or less stable funding, but they did not really turn the tide.

              And if they had a common engineering center. They would have worked with him and they would have calculated the weight and strength at the highest level. Perhaps the IL-112V would have already handed over the state control systems, and not made the first runs after more than a year of inactivity, and the Ministry of Defense did not adjust the TTZ to decrease, getting a weak aircraft, much worse than planned, at full cost.
              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 24 March 2021 12: 48
                +5
                Well then the Il-112V will be born. For there is no money at all. 

                Yes, there is money, there is ... Only not for everyone, but for friends ... Now they tied another governor with a mountain of cash ... It seems to me that this is far from the richest ...
                It's not about money (the trade surplus is colossal), it's about priorities ...
            2. Petr1980
              Petr1980 24 March 2021 15: 12
              0
              Yakovlevites and Tupolevites will never work together ... Everything is at the level of genes ... (whoever knows - will not let you lie, especially the Lievites ...)
    3. Flooding
      Flooding 24 March 2021 07: 52
      +14
      Quote: Alexander Yarosh
      Well, yes, if you put the huckster to manage the aviation industry. promoters and stoolists

      please joke
      look at those smooth faces
      it is an elite that is nurturing a second generation of future successors to replace itself.
      their sons and daughters have been in business for a long time
      this is a new aristocracy, forming into a clan, creating clans, dividing the country among themselves into spheres of interest
    4. prior
      prior 25 March 2021 09: 33
      +1
      The Russian aviation industry could have saved the mass shootings of those responsible and those involved.
      But since the death penalty has been abolished in Russia, it means that the Russian aviation industry will not save NOTHING.
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  3. Far B
    Far B 24 March 2021 04: 45
    +2
    What reforms will save the Russian aviation industry?
    One and only one is enough. But - global-capital: to return to the socialist path of development. With a planned economy and the nationalization of large-scale industry. With the restoration of the organs of the OBKHSS and the like. With harsh punishments for the theft of socialist (state) property. Otherwise, we will continue to flounder in a stable Putinomics.
    1. apro
      apro 24 March 2021 05: 06
      +3
      Quote: Dalny V
      One and only one is enough.

      But voluntarily. It is not possible to return to this. There are no interested organizations.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 24 March 2021 05: 17
      +8
      Novel! How long can you look for the negative when from each iron you hear "victorious reports" about "here and there" leaked breakthroughs? wassat
      What reforms will save the Russian aviation industry?

      Probably, the development of our own production and the replacement of “designated effective” managers with bloated pockets for business fans with creative plans and business qualities.
      A person who planes stools cannot instantly become a manufacturer of helicopters ... No matter how "a former comrade" may have a "skill" in work in the KGB, he will not be able to harness a horse and a quivering doe to one cart if he has never seen either one or the other. ..
      The death penalty for corruption, embezzlement on an especially large scale, complete confiscation of stolen property (property whose origin cannot be confirmed by legal income), a lifelong ban on working in public authorities of the defendant and direct relatives, an annual report and setting plans ... Yes you never know methods in the USSR, where a person was famous for his work, and not for the size of the eroded mug, the displacement of the yacht, the area and value of real estate and the price and number of wristwatches.
      1. Van 16
        Van 16 24 March 2021 06: 25
        +6
        So in our country the ultimate goal of such reforms is not to save the aviation industry, but to "blow up pockets". And the kids, our hands, the drivers need to attach somewhere ..
      2. victor50
        victor50 24 March 2021 08: 13
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        Quote: ROSS 42
        Probably, the development of our own production and the replacement of “designated effective” managers with bloated pockets for business fans with creative plans and business qualities.

        Will the chief manager change them? laughing And those that you (we) want, he does not seem to hold.
      3. Serg koma
        Serg koma 24 March 2021 08: 18
        +3
        Quote: ROSS 42
        and not the size of the eroded face, the displacement of the yacht, the area and value of the property, and the price and number of watches.



        And "smart" wives / mistresses of state oligarchs.
        PS It seems to me alone, or not, that Ignatova and Vasilyeva are similar both in appearance and in "mind"?
      4. your1970
        your1970 24 March 2021 12: 49
        -6
        Quote: ROSS 42
        The death penalty for corruption, embezzlement on an especially large scale, complete confiscation of stolen property (property whose origin cannot be confirmed by legal income), a lifelong ban on working in public authorities of the defendant and direct relatives, an annual report and setting plans ... Yes you never know methods in the USSR, where a person was famous for his work, and not for the size of the eroded mug, the displacement of the yacht, the area and value of real estate and the price and number of wristwatches.
        - now back to earth ...
        That is, you propose to create "sharagi" for KB?
        The choice for the designer - on the one hand, the Western country / China with dollar salaries and all the conditions, on the other hand - everything you named + a plan (for failure to fulfill which the designer will be torn like a cat in March) + lack of material base (up to computers - for iron a curtain organized by the West automatically) + lack of human resources (young people will not rush to factories even for a large salary) + lack of material incentives (well, they will give him an order and the Volga - he will no longer be able to buy a Mercedes because the curtain) ......
        With such in the warehouses in the design bureau, there may be only cleaning women ... And this is not a joke ...
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 24 March 2021 14: 30
          +3
          Quote: your1970
          Choice for a designer - on the one hand, Western countries / China with dollar salaries and all conditions

          Do you take us for idiots or have you decided that everything is wrong with our heads? Who are the designers (inventors, engineers) here: Chemezov? Serdyukov? Rogozin senior? Rogozin Jr. Kiriyenko ... This is just offhand memory ...
          Quote: your1970
          That is, you propose to create "sharagi" for KB?

          I propose to create design bureaus at enterprises + universities. Where "having scientific and technical education and potential" made it possible to create the best and the most perfect.
          Quote: your1970
          With such in the warehouses in the design bureau, there may be only cleaning women ... And this is not a joke ...

          And I could not even understand the meaning (idea) of your "no joke".
          1. your1970
            your1970 24 March 2021 23: 12
            -1
            Quote: ROSS 42
            And I could not even understand the meaning (idea) of your "no joke".
            -again slow read my post and you will understand everything .....

            Quote: ROSS 42
            I propose to create design bureaus at enterprises
            - that is, you did not understand that NO ONE will not go to enterprises in the design bureau - because DOES NOT WANT?
            "The idea was widely publicized thanks to the aviation specialists who for some reason were not eager to move from Moscow to Komsomolsk-on-Amur or Novosibirsk. "
            What are you going to seduce designers - who are already NOW don't want to travel around the country, but want to work exclusively in Moscow?
            Or do you think that in the event of a return to the USSR, a simple Soviet designer will be able to buy a Mercedes for himself? And who will sell it to him? The EU will knock down the "iron curtain" in a day ...
            The order is the maximum and the Volga - no more, that's all that he will receive guaranteed in case of overfulfillment of the plan, no more ...
            And he will have a choice
            Quote: your1970
            on the one hand, Western countries / China with dollar salaries and all the conditions, on the other hand - everything you named + a plan (for failure to fulfill which the designer will be torn like a cat in March) + lack of material resources (up to computers - for the iron curtain organized by the West automatically ) + lack of human resources (young people will not rush to factories even for a large salary) + lack of material incentives


            And engineering cadres will run to the EU and China - as they already fled in the 90s ... and again, this is not a joke, it was already 20 years ago ...
      5. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik 24 March 2021 16: 12
        +2
        do you hear "victorious reports" about "here and there" leaked breakthroughs?

        Unfortunately, it is about breakthroughs. It will break through the pipe, then the dam, then the dam. Remembering Krylov's grandfather: "and you are friends, how do not sit down ...". There are engineers, scientists, and ideas. Only "statesmen" are not interested in the development of the country. No need for airplanes, no need for steamers. There is one question: what will I get from this. If a foreigner rolls back, they will drown the entire fleet and ditch the aviation, so that they can put lemons in their pocket. And over the hill there is more money.
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 24 March 2021 07: 02
      -9
      But - global-capital: to return to the socialist path of development. With a planned economy and the nationalization of large-scale industry. With the restoration of the organs of the OBKSS and the like
      Was this all and what led, already at the end of the last century !? To restore, with the existing generation or postpone for 100 years, do not rewind the history in the player forward, and do not look, no matter how much you would like to .., only into the past and it is already learning to build the future on it !!!
      1. Far B
        Far B 24 March 2021 07: 15
        +13
        Was all this already and what did it lead to, already at the end of the last century !?
        Are you seriously??? This led to the creation of the second economy in the world, which (in terms of aviation) produced all types of aircraft, fully meeting its needs and supplying a huge percentage of aircraft / helicopters for export, occupying a leading position in the world market. Compare with what is now - and you will understand "what this has led to."
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 24 March 2021 07: 42
          -9
          Are you seriously??? This led to the creation of the second economy in the world, which (in terms of aviation) produced all types of aircraft, fully meeting its needs and supplying a huge percentage of aircraft / helicopters for export, took a leading position in the world market
          in the late 80s !? Gorbachev, let's say friendly - THANKS !? I wrote not about aircraft and their export deliveries ... but the answer to this:
          But - global-capital: to return to the socialist path of development. With a planned economy and the nationalization of large-scale industry. With the restoration of the organs of the OBKSS and the like
          Where did he lead, with the planning authorities and all sorts of ... and what, then they really did not steal much !? Maybe they didn't just advertise, or they kept many investigations under the heading for decades and corruption scandals in Asian republics, with cotton and other local "speculations"?
          1. Far B
            Far B 24 March 2021 07: 53
            +13
            in the late 80s !? Gorbachev, let's say friendly - THANKS !?
            Until the very end of the reign of Humpbacked, the economy of the USSR remained the second in the world, you at least smoke sources, or something. And where did I call to say "thank you" to Mr. Labeled?
            Where did he lead, with the planning and all sorts of bodies ...
            Exactly where I wrote in the previous post - to a solid second place in the world in terms of economic performance. The planned economy is not as bad as market adherents paint it: elements (moreover, solid ones) of a planned economy can now be found in any developed economic power. Not to mention large corporations for which planning is the alpha and omega.
            The union collapsed not because of the planned economy, but because of the rotten "elite" in the person of Gorbachev, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze and Co.
            1. evgen1221
              evgen1221 24 March 2021 10: 50
              +2
              The union collapsed because of those nondescript and inconspicuous people in the union apparatus and in the field, in general, those who are today in the leadership and other prominent democrats, grant-eaters and local leaders. These people what they wanted and got and will continue to effectively hang noodles on their ears under the noise of fiddling into their own pockets for a long time to come. And adjusting all the laws for this.
            2. Mikhail Verevkin
              Mikhail Verevkin 30 May 2021 01: 07
              0
              And the union collapsed precisely when in the second half of the 80s they began to stuff it with openly market reforms. Of course, at that time he no longer worked as he should have thanks to Khrushchev and Brezhnev, but he still worked.
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 24 March 2021 14: 32
            +3
            Quote: Intruder
            Where did he lead, with the planning authorities and all sorts of ... and what, then they really did not steal much !?

            Ask your parents how much they stole and how many acquaintances thieves were in their companies.
        2. Genry
          Genry 24 March 2021 11: 01
          -1
          Quote: Dalny V
          This led to the creation of the second economy in the world, which

          You just do not take into account how it intensified under Stalin and began to degrade under Khrushchev. And under Gorbachev .......
    4. Your stranger
      Your stranger 24 March 2021 09: 44
      -4
      With a vaz 2109 ++++ on the assembly line?
      1. Far B
        Far B 24 March 2021 09: 50
        +5
        And what - when we returned to capitalism in the early 90s, we simultaneously returned to the technological order of 1913? You are proposing some strange problem here.
        1. Your stranger
          Your stranger 24 March 2021 10: 08
          -8
          They returned to borrowing technologies, and now they propose to stop borrowing
          1. Genry
            Genry 24 March 2021 11: 09
            0
            Quote: Stranger
            to borrowing technologies, and now they propose to stop borrowing

            Uncle Petya, are you ... limited?
            What part of the world's population lives in Russia. Do you think that you can come up with everything that they came up with? There was always an exchange of scientific knowledge, goods and technologies, and the more active the faster the development went.
            Of course, your science needs to be developed, since its developments will serve as a "currency" for the exchange / purchase of other technologies, but it is impossible to duplicate the world volume of discoveries.
            1. Your stranger
              Your stranger 24 March 2021 18: 15
              -5
              What exchange of knowledge took place during the Soviet era?
              1. Genry
                Genry 25 March 2021 15: 30
                +1
                Quote: Stranger
                What exchange of knowledge took place during the Soviet era?

                Yes, everything needed was bought or exchanged. The only obstacle was the Jackson-Vanik amendment, which restricts certain types of high technology, but it was bypassed through third countries.
                1. Your stranger
                  Your stranger 25 March 2021 20: 16
                  -3
                  So now you have to work with the reverse engineering method
  4. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 24 March 2021 04: 50
    +12
    Well, how can I say ...
    Everything looks reasonable on paper. From Ilyushin and Tupolev, in fact, only the signs remained. The old ones have died out or are retired, there is simply no one to design. The average IL is still only in large-scale models, the light one turned out to be illiterately designed, they somehow managed to modernize the 76th. Tupolev has nothing at all in real assets. The MC-21 is a good aircraft in theory, but its "partners" will suffocate it. There will be sanctions after sanctions. At 929, the Chinese are stupidly throwing us. Superjet with no special prospects. When else will PD-8!
    The MiG has been sluggishly finishing the 30th for 29 years, there are no new projects. In fact, only Sukhoi created something, and even then without the necessary engine. In short, it seems like there is no need to keep the old firms.
    But we all know perfectly well how they reform in our country. There are more and more bosses and their salaries are getting higher, they are cutting down engineers and hard workers. I do not believe in the successful reforms of the UAC, but I believe in the further enrichment of effective managers ...
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 24 March 2021 07: 06
      +2
      The MiG has been sluggishly finishing the 30th for 29 years, there are no new projects.
      and from what they will be, continuous modernization of internal systems, a little engines ... and nothing more !!! Well, they will alter its nose cone or cockpit, change somewhat the aerodynamics of the airframe and the all new Mig-2x / 3x, and where else is the rest !? No. There is no coordinated progressive idea, so that it is new, and not used (how do you know what !? request ) but washed into the board ... wink
      For example:
      1. MiG-31 was built according to the scheme of the MiG-25, but with a crew of two - the pilot and the navigator-operator, located one after the other. The combat capabilities of the fighter were supposed to be significantly expanded. thanks to the use of the latest electronic equipment, in particular, the first used radar with a passive phased antenna array.
      2. MiG-29M (9-15) is a multipurpose fighter of the 4+ generation. The range of weapons includes air-to-surface guided missiles. The number of suspension points under the wing has increased from 6 to 9; payload mass increased from 4000 to 4500 kg. Also to the plane used the marketing name MiG-33.
      3. MiG-29M2, with an increased flight range, increased combat load and an expanded range of onboard weapons. IN In 2006, on the basis of this machine, a demonstrator aircraft of the MiG-35D multifunctional fighter was created. within the framework of a tender announced by India for a multi-functional medium-weight combat aircraft;
      4. and beyond ... everything can be found in the public domain in a couple of minutes ...

  5. apro
    apro 24 March 2021 05: 09
    +2
    If we are talking about reforms, then no. The course for the destruction of aircraft construction is moving forward in all directions, removing the remnants, overlapping the prospect, destroying the aircraft industry and putting them in unequal conditions with imported aircraft technology in the structures of aircraft operation.
    Everything goes according to plan.
  6. Free wind
    Free wind 24 March 2021 05: 22
    +12
    I wonder why he was given the hero of Russia? He is not a little state with mamzel, He shod us with you. The development of automatic gearboxes is worth something. Consolidation and various areas of activity, this is not something terrible. Take the same Boeing, or the same Lockheed, they produce a huge line of products. The same Volvo, produces from motoblocks to huge mining dump trucks. From marine engines to finance. Everything depends on the brain. But if they are absent or are sharpened only to provide for themselves loved ones, then the trouble.
    1. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 24 March 2021 05: 27
      +9
      I wonder why he was given the hero of Russia?

      I sent a good share to anyone.
    2. apro
      apro 24 March 2021 05: 52
      +2
      Quote: Free Wind
      I wonder why he was given the hero of Russia?

      So there can be no other heroes in this niche. And what difference does it make. What is the goal-setting. Such are the heroes.
    3. Grandfather
      Grandfather 24 March 2021 08: 03
      +5
      Quote: Free Wind
      I wonder why he was given the hero of Russia?

      now it is like a badge. The Highest Reward has been leveled.
  7. svp67
    svp67 24 March 2021 05: 26
    -4
    It is enough to look at how much time, for example, PJSC "Ilyushin" tramples with the Il-112V transport aircraft or the Il-114 passenger aircraft.
    Yes ... while we have to rejoice at the small. The updated Il-112 has started control runs and flights, which means that its SECOND flight will take place soon.
  8. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 24 March 2021 05: 34
    +8
    So, reform, about which we have already talked so much and furiously, actually started.

    It began to "bake" and the "* resident army" began to stir. Trumpets from everywhere: "The people are making noise, the budget is bursting, the size of corruption and theft will open up - the rating will be covered with a copper basin ..." In a word:
    Rise, king of hope! Huh? You can’t rule while lying down.

    And with the onset of heat, the movement of fly larvae in the latrine pit is also activated ...
    ==========
    And it began as usual in our country, that is, with a regime of the strictest secrecy, a minimum of intelligible information, and, accordingly, a fairly large number of rumors and speculation.

    Any "secret" information will sooner or later become public, and the success of economic reforms is usually judged by the availability of goods and prices in stores. It's easier - no need to make an appointment and order a pass.
    stop Yes, you cannot hide from the people either in a bunker or in the taiga, or by “piling up” a bunch of laws on “zeroing” and “inviolability”. This number does not pass. We have tried it already, history knows many examples. And the most bitter thing at the same time, curses and eternal shame, from which neither the reinforced concrete center, nor the medal "For Victory in the Cold War", nor the requested life support will save you.
  9. leks
    leks 24 March 2021 05: 46
    +5
    When in positions they sit
    "effective managers" who think only of how to save more money from the state budget in their pockets, no sensible reforms can be expected. They will split, combine, split again, collect credits, spend but not work effectively.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 March 2021 06: 31
    +3
    The anxiety sounded in the article is quite understandable to most of us, and for this Roman is a plus. The only question is, who makes such decisions? After all, it is just right to create the Ministry of Aviation Industry as it was in the USSR, so serious, voluminous and most importantly, it is ensuring state security in military aviation and in the civilian sector. Alas, we, apart from our statements on VO, cannot influence anything.
  11. mark1
    mark1 24 March 2021 07: 21
    -7
    Again the "plumber" and the "electrician" told Roman something ...
    And the tram must be started up! And sleepers, sleepers, sleepers cannot saturate! And the janitor - boor, boor

    I disagree - criticize, criticize - offer,
  12. New Year day
    New Year day 24 March 2021 07: 36
    +4
    Judging by the trend, there will be no sense. Remains to watch for convulsions
  13. evgen1221
    evgen1221 24 March 2021 07: 52
    +4
    Only a radical replacement and scrapping to hell of the feudal criminal oligarchic model with the complete replacement of everything that has been heaped up with laws and all codes, this will save the aviation industry. The point is that we improve one thing on paper, and for a hundred other pieces of paper, this first paper is simply trampled into nothing. One step forward, there are ten orders to stand and two more are invented.
  14. Professor
    Professor 24 March 2021 07: 53
    +6
    And better than the Brazilian ones, which is a shame for us.

    Roma, what do the Brazilians do not suit you? they have normal planes. Customers are satisfied. Or do you have something personal? wink
  15. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 24 March 2021 07: 54
    0
    "Irkut", which Yakovlev .... hmm ...
    Irkut is an industrial site where more or less competencies and opportunities have been preserved ... He is the same Yakovlev, like Sukhoi, and Mig in the past, and An, and Be. We make both Yak and Su.
    I was especially touched by the knowledge of the author, about "stopping the development of an aircraft without completing the USA" ...
    However, I will not dissuade the "analyst", let him live in his own world. ..
  16. evgen1221
    evgen1221 24 March 2021 08: 06
    -2
    At the time of the footnotes to make, where the name of the author. By order of the press service, this is, according to the purely personal data of the author, so that it would be clear whether to read at all or not. Whoever likes the idea, write to the admins, the quantity may at least here turn into quality.
  17. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 24 March 2021 08: 13
    -2
    MC-21 flies with might and main and is regularly certified. I flew the entire pandemic on the SSZ ... A-320 and B-737 began flying on the Krasnodar-Moscow highway for a month somewhere .... The azimuth to SSZH100 flies past Moscow, linking cities directly. And they made the SSJ already under 200pcs. For comparison: the Japanese analogue could not be completed at all and the project was renamed and then completely closed.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 24 March 2021 08: 34
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      For comparison

      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 24 March 2021 08: 44
        0
        The comparison is good, but slightly incorrect.
        1. Purchasing power
        2. Occupancy
        3. The number of immigrants in the United States.


        And especially, the economy is hitting local air travel. By the way, everything was fine with regard to transportation in the Russian Federation and they were growing before the pandemic. And the most important thing that is good for the MC21 and SSZh is the B-737 and A320 fleet and the Embrayers that are understandable in pieces. And replacing only it, will give work to our aviation industry for 10 years. And dollars and euros will remain in the country. Another thing is that their purchasing power (of the dollar) is no longer satisfying the Russian Federation itself.
      2. d4rkmesa
        d4rkmesa 24 March 2021 10: 23
        +1
        Why are you comparing the 17th year, and not the "covid" 2020? It is difficult for everyone now. Bombardier is unlikely to be the same. As well as others.
  18. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 24 March 2021 08: 32
    +3
    For this we need to reform the aviation industry - let's reform, but so that at the end you can see the planes, and not bank accounts with large numbers of those who will be responsible for the reform.
    Your words, yes to the president's ears smile But it seems useless. laughing
  19. Glory1974
    Glory1974 24 March 2021 09: 03
    +3
    According to the newspaper "Argumenty Nedeli", workers at the Voronezh aircraft plant received a salary for February of 5-6 thousand rubles! Another reform took place, and "effective managers" introduced piecework wages to increase labor productivity. But at the same time, the norms were increased several times, and the means of production naturally remained the same.
    While such confusion are carrying out reforms, no positive results can be seen.
  20. Kiev
    Kiev 24 March 2021 09: 07
    +1
    The article does not match the title.
  21. Your stranger
    Your stranger 24 March 2021 09: 45
    -9
    And what about the Ukrainians?
    1. Cottodraton
      Cottodraton 24 March 2021 16: 39
      0
      What, you don’t know what you have there?
      1. Your stranger
        Your stranger 25 March 2021 20: 14
        -3
        The point is not whether I know or not, the point is that the only correct point of view is only on the nightingale and Skabeev's TV,
  22. Glagol1
    Glagol1 24 March 2021 10: 56
    +1
    State-owned companies do not have good managers. Miller, Sechin, Serdyukov, Shuvalov, and so on - everywhere there are debts, losses, investments in the bottom. That is why everything is so bad. If a good top appeared, things would quickly get better, our people are qualified and hard-working. But the system won't. Sorry, the thieves' matrix. Quantity turned into quality
  23. Radikal
    Radikal 24 March 2021 10: 58
    +4
    What reforms will save the Russian aviation industry?
    - Change of the socio-political system and the economic model of the state. sad
  24. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 24 March 2021 11: 08
    +2
    Twenty five again ..
    Again Roman puts the cart in front of the horse.
    Who is the customer for the production of helicopters?
    Ministry of Defense and Rosoboronzakaz.
    How much was given in the order - so much the performer produced.
    Attention question: Why does Roman blame the contractor for the decrease in the amount of production?
    Maybe Skomorokhov provided court decisions on penalties for failure to fulfill the order for helicopters?
    No, and will not provide, for there were no such courts.
    So why "twist and pull the owl on the globe so much?"
    And blame a completely outside person for the slowdown in production?

    I do not defend Serdyukov - but even indiscriminately pulling on him everything that "one wants" is very base for a lie.
    And a lie for the good does not exist in principle.


    In all other respects, I completely agree with the conclusions of Roman.
    1. Smirnov Sergey
      Smirnov Sergey April 9 2021 20: 34
      0
      It is necessary in the situation with helicopters to remember that with the sanctions a) many international programs were curtailed, for example, for Afghanistan, the market decreased b) due to relations with Ukraine and the same sanctions, there was a shortage of engines. c) stagnation in the economy limits the possibilities of ordering. At the same time, domestic demand has already been largely satisfied.
  25. Radikal
    Radikal 24 March 2021 12: 29
    +4
    Quote: Stranger
    And what about the Ukrainians?

    Do you mean to console yourself that the neighbors are even worse? In the style of a hurray-patriotic media? bully hi
  26. malyvalv
    malyvalv 24 March 2021 13: 02
    +1
    There is one small but actually very important reason not to put everything together. The fact is that real talents, including design ones, are often very quarrelsome in the team, and especially with the bosses. Because the talents. If there are several independent centers of a similar profile, then the talent has a chance not to disappear but to move to another center. If everything is under one roof, then the talent will most likely disappear or, at best, leave the country. And this slows down all development.
    1. Smirnov Sergey
      Smirnov Sergey April 9 2021 20: 26
      0
      Who is talent? Aircraft designer? First, before becoming a chief designer, talent, etc. He must walk the entire ladder - from the designer of specific elements, through the person responsible for the module, direction, assistant .. and at each step he must a) interact with colleagues, because the wing itself does not fly on its own, like the landing gear, like the center section b) you need to organize the work of others - engineers, modellers, etc. c) do all this within the corporate development process. Therefore, no one needs the quarrelsome. Now the planes are no longer what they glued from plywood and flew, and people who are not ready to work in a team will not even get a chance in a corporation. And to make it interesting, you just need to avoid a monolithic structure and form alternative centers of excellence within the same organization.
      1. malyvalv
        malyvalv April 11 2021 03: 09
        0
        Is it necessary for a person to go through all the steps within the same design bureau, or is it possible in different ones?
        For example, the problems of the IL-112 and the Ilyushin design bureau were discussed here a lot. Which, due to poor management, has lost a lot of qualified personnel. Surely many of those who left ended up in other KB. And if the design bureau was merged 10 years ago and let a talented engineer become the chief, but who does not know how to work with people? We would have problems across the entire line of aircraft. And the industry would simply lose people completely.
        Combining KB under one roof is evil.
  27. iouris
    iouris 24 March 2021 13: 21
    +2
    What reform is capable of bringing the population in the country to 250 ... 300 million people? I guess (wrong, this is not a sexual revolution). And without this, no economy will develop. And without the economy there will be no country, there will be no aircraft industry. More precisely, there will be an aviation industry, but somewhere there ...
    1. Smirnov Sergey
      Smirnov Sergey April 9 2021 20: 30
      0
      You can import blacks from Africa, otherwise they are starving there. Do you think it will help raise Russia? I do not propose the Chinese, once relatives come to them, we will join China in a referendum in a week.
  28. place
    place 24 March 2021 13: 37
    +2
    The main reform is in full swing! The reform of the replacement of the people who "arranged" Russia, electing according to the principle ".... and for whom else?" already 7 times at the highest level - to other nations.
    The pace of reform is growing every year and there is no doubt that there will be encouraging results already in the current decade.
    This is a kind of overhaul. When a motor that has exhausted its resource is replaced with a new one.
  29. Bog
    Bog 24 March 2021 14: 29
    +1
    Heard a lot about Serdyukov from the generals. Well, this is understandable .... I agree, with all the beautiful words from Ivanov, the matter did not move further. Rest details
    1. volga17
      volga17 24 March 2021 19: 06
      +1
      You will compare the budget money for the army under Minister Ivanov and under Minister Serdyukov, and the reason for the beginning of reforms in the army will become clear to you.
  30. Drugov
    Drugov 24 March 2021 15: 05
    +3
    All this once again makes us think about the thesis that our Tsar is good, but the boyars are not good, and will once again be convinced that there are no sorts of shit.
  31. faterdom
    faterdom 24 March 2021 16: 38
    +1
    We need some kind of rhythm.
    So that not continuous reforms without sleep and rest, but let's say this: five years - reforms, and the next five years - taboo on reforms, debriefing and landing of participants (or rewarding, if there is anything).
    Reflection and scientific and technical justification of subsequent reforms, error analysis, debate, funding calculations and recruitment.
    Then, five more years of reforms.
    And then we have only the first (odd five-year plans) and the complete absence of the second (even).
    Because there is no time to swing, and therefore it is not necessary to swing the boat.
  32. Alexfly
    Alexfly 24 March 2021 17: 19
    +3
    As the saying goes, the patient is more likely dead than alive ... In the early 90s, they bet on foreigners, killing their aviation industry .. Now there are problems with engines. Amen
    1. iouris
      iouris 24 March 2021 23: 16
      +2
      The aviation industry is Russia. There is no aviation industry.
  33. Valeriy A. Proskournin
    Valeriy A. Proskournin 25 March 2021 22: 10
    +1
    for something positive to happen, the ENTIRE aviation industry, together with education, science, airports and operations, should be allocated to a SEPARATE ministry, and not engage in verbal nonsense such as "rebranding" ...
  34. Smirnov Sergey
    Smirnov Sergey April 9 2021 19: 20
    0
    Another all-scattered man. The situation is such that none of the design bureaus has a set of specialists to reserve competencies. It is logical to gather everyone in one place and select working groups within the framework of projects. To maintain competition in the preparation of preliminary projects, form expert groups, the winner will continue to develop, the loser will oppose. Such groups can be called according to the old KB and made more or less permanent.
    Talk about the loss of the development base - well, the wind tunnels cannot be moved anywhere, and in the design bureaus, as far as I understand, they do not, and if it is necessary to build new ones, this can only be done outside the city. Servers for CAD - systems, CFD - modeling are better located in one place, it is easier to ensure their reliability and capacity allocation.
  35. pylon101
    pylon101 April 21 2021 12: 43
    0
    Gentlemen, stop the tantrum.
  36. Anachoret
    Anachoret April 27 2021 15: 24
    0
    What would Stalin advise for reforming the aircraft industry in Russia?
    1. To shoot Serdyukov with Chemezov and all affiliated persons.
    2. Paint the Kremlin green!

    To the question "why paint green" is Comrade Stalin's answer ... "It's good that there are no disagreements on the first question."
  37. Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. April 28 2021 12: 08
    0
    How much Chemezov is better or worse than Serdyukov is difficult to say.

    At least Chemezov personally conducts an interview before being appointed to senior positions in the UAC - this says a lot.
  38. nond
    nond 23 May 2021 08: 52
    0
    What year is the article? About PD14 outdated information. Serdyukov generally had a secret maneuver to divert attention from other projects.
  39. swzero
    swzero 1 June 2021 08: 53
    0
    If you look at history, then in the 30s there were two mega design bureaus - Tupolev and Polikarpov, who pulled a bunch of projects in different directions. And they worked quite well - they made excellent cars. But their downsizing before the war cost us dearly. If we take the same Tupolev design bureau, it was internally divided into a bunch of units (brigades), each of which had its own theme and each had its own designer. Boeing also works in the states, and it is quite normal to rivet passenger cars and fighters and bombers. I see no problems in enlargement. It will be easier for designers to interact. The same kb instant will get access to the ideas and technologies of dry, kb kamov to miles.
  40. Jager
    Jager 17 June 2021 12: 21
    +1
    If the brothel is ineffective, they change the professors, and do not rearrange the beds ...
  41. 1536
    1536 17 June 2021 15: 52
    0
    There is only one reform: carrier airlines must purchase Russian planes.
  42. makmak
    makmak 18 June 2021 12: 08
    0
    I advise you to read Chemizov's interview about the UAC reform, there are many answers to the questions asked.