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In Israel, for training pilots simulate operations during the Six Day War

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The final part of the training program for the training of M-346 training aircraft trainee pilots and weapons systems officers (WSO) in Israel simulates operations during the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israeli War. The purpose of such classes is not only to practice practical flight skills, but also to establish communication between the IDF Air Force personnel with historical heritage of their country, using the successful experience of the older generations of pilots.


This was reported by the press service of the Israel Defense Forces Air Force.

These operations, as part of the operational training course, were held at Hatzerim Air Force Base, where the 102nd Flying Tigers Squadron is stationed. Before completing their training, the pilots took part in exercises that replicated the missions of the 1967 Six-Day War between Israel on the one hand and Syria, Jordan and Egypt on the other.

Squadron 102 is responsible for the advanced training of Israel Air Force fighter pilots and weapons system officers. It is equipped with Lavi fighters (they were eventually replaced by American F-16s in the army) and M-346 trainer aircraft (the technological counterpart of the Russian Yak-130).

In Israel, the profession of a military pilot is considered one of the most prestigious. But out of hundreds of young people trying to master the flight course, only a few dozen manage to complete their studies.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 22 March 2021 13: 16
    -6
    imitation in the form of a MiG 31 can not be thrown?))))
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 22 March 2021 14: 08
      +4
      Of course very superficial, but still ...
      https://warhead.su/2020/10/02/kak-gotovyat-lyotchikov-dlya-vvs-izrailya-vzglyad-iznutri
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 22 March 2021 21: 51
        +3
        Whether Israel's actions are criminal or not, the Six Day War is the ideal of how wars should be fought against a large but ill-prepared adversary.
        Clear maneuver, discipline of troops, timely intelligence, talented commanders who take care of their soldiers.
        So the reconstruction of those events for modern troops is understandable. Israel has a lot to be proud of.
    2. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 17: 57
      -4
      Why do you want to ruin our penates, which are not too rich in expensive kerosene? Or will you throw it from your bounty and this good?
  2. knn54
    knn54 22 March 2021 13: 26
    +10
    All aircraft are practically new, the flight time is at least 200 hours per year. Moreover, ALL universal pilots:. Can conduct air battles, attack ground / sea targets. The trainings take place in real conditions, even with a weak opponent, because you have already taken off in Syria, Iraq, Lebanon.
    Big salaries, tough selection, respect among the population.
    And any army in Europe will envy the number of cars.
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 18: 42
      -1
      Well, not any. There are also stronger ones. And the planes are mostly not the newest. The main 25 F-15I (adapted E), 98 F-16I (adapted D block 52), while it seems 22 F-35A and about a hundred more F-15 and F-16 of older versions.
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 22 March 2021 13: 30
    0
    What are the Israeli pilots focusing on?
    There are many combat missions, deflecting a raid, air combat, aerial reconnaissance, missile and bomb attack, diversionary maneuvers, demonstration of force, a combination of various missions, etc., etc.
    How is the training of pilots organized, the age of the flyers, titles, gender, graduates of which flying schools?
    The article says little. what
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 March 2021 13: 36
      +7
      Emphasis on hitting ground targets with strong anti-air defense.
      The suppression of air defense.
      Air battles.
      Plus minus - such priorities.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 March 2021 13: 43
        -3
        Quote: Krasnodar
        Emphasis on hitting ground targets with strong anti-air defense.
        The suppression of air defense.
        Air battles.
        Plus minus - such priorities.

        air battles - exclude.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 22 March 2021 13: 45
          +3
          Why exclude? laughing
    2. Professor
      Professor 22 March 2021 13: 55
      +7
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      How is the training of pilots, the age of the flyers, titles, gender, graduates which flight schools?

      No flying schools. They themselves are cadets of the only flight school.
    3. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw 22 March 2021 14: 01
      -2
      How is the training of pilots organized, the age of the flyers, titles, gender, graduates of which flying schools?
      Addresses, surnames, dates of birth ... someone will answer as spam of the press service of the Israel Defense Forces Air Force is in the news heading on VO. The author of what is valuable in this material?
    4. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 22 March 2021 14: 40
      +1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The article says little



      1. kventinasd
        kventinasd 22 March 2021 14: 55
        -8
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        The article says little

        This shkolota in the Lipetsk Aviation Center will be kicked out from the first year. laughing
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 22 March 2021 15: 33
          +5
          Quote: kventinasd
          This shkolota in the Lipetsk Aviation Center will be kicked out from the first year.

          Yes, this is understandable, Lipetsk pilots are the best in the world.
          Well, in Israel there are only such.
          ,
          1. kventinasd
            kventinasd 22 March 2021 15: 43
            .
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Yes, this is understandable, Lipetsk pilots are the best in the world.
            Well, in Israel there are only such.

            That is why they merge together with the American "coalition" when the Russian Sushki appear in the sky.
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 22 March 2021 15: 59
              +4
              Quote: kventinasd
              That is why they merge together with the American "coalition" when the Russian Sushki appear in the sky.

              No, they do not merge, they dissolve IN YOUR IMAGINATION lol
            2. ironic
              ironic 22 March 2021 18: 02
              -1
              Do they appear? They don't know where ours are, even when they are told about it. wink
        2. ironic
          ironic 22 March 2021 18: 01
          -1
          Because of the low intellectual level of teachers in Lipetsk? I can believe it. The passing level of intelligence for the pilot course in Israel is at the level of Baumanka applicants. lol
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 22 March 2021 19: 12
            +1
            Quote: ironic
            Because of the low intellectual level of teachers in Lipetsk? I can believe it. The passing level of intelligence for the pilot course in Israel is at the level of Baumanka applicants. lol

            Higher. I had a familiar course in physics, 5 echidot picked up to get into the pilots, but turned out to be a little slowed down. As a result - the pilot of Hercules.
            1. ironic
              ironic 22 March 2021 19: 45
              -1
              I readily believe. A friend of my wife's son in general, as for me, is a cross between Tesla and Van Dam in his younger years and at the very end of the selection flew off the fighters in the Apache.
              I don’t understand at all who gets into these fighters.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 22 March 2021 20: 04
                -2
                They just don't fly to the Apaches - one of the toughest selections is held there, because a helicopter is much more vulnerable than a fighter. Another thing is that he wanted fighters, not helicopters, but sho fly ... request
                1. ironic
                  ironic 22 March 2021 20: 38
                  -2
                  I can’t judge, I don’t know such particulars.
  4. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 March 2021 13: 54
    +4
    For the West, Israel Air Force training is an increase in the country's defenses, and our training with Belarus West 2021 is a threat to Western democratic values. soldier
  5. Emil Azeri
    Emil Azeri 22 March 2021 14: 06
    +3
    Few people know the fact that Israeli pilots are the best in the world.
    From time to time, many countries with their pilots participate in Israeli Air Force exercises as observers, just to learn something new from them, especially with regard to the F35's potential - to bypass and destroy enemy air defenses.


    Another fact, purely about the F35:
    The Americans came up with the F35, but they are learning how to use it from Israel.
    1. Threaded screw
      Threaded screw 22 March 2021 14: 10
      +7
      Few people know the fact that Israeli pilots are the best in the world.
      The best pilots in Liechtenstein's aviation.
      1. Emil Azeri
        Emil Azeri 22 March 2021 14: 13
        0
        Quote: Threaded Screw
        Few people know the fact that Israeli pilots are the best in the world.
        The best pilots in Liechtenstein's aviation.

        If you're talking about civilian pilots, then yes. There is one of the bases for advanced training of civilian pilots, and pilots from all countries are sent there under the training program.
        But this does not apply to the military.
      2. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 22 March 2021 14: 52
        +3
        Quote: Threaded screw
        Best Pilots in Liechtenstein Aviation

        good good
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 March 2021 18: 04
          +1
          I also really liked it. laughing
      3. MoJloT
        MoJloT 22 March 2021 15: 39
        +1
        The best pilots in Liechtenstein's aviation.
        As it turned out, they have formidable artillery too, but they do not understand humor at all along the way. laughing
        1. Emil Azeri
          Emil Azeri 22 March 2021 16: 41
          +2
          Quote: MoJloT
          The best pilots in Liechtenstein's aviation.
          they don't understand humor at all along the way laughing

          Sorry, I understood literally.)
          1. ironic
            ironic 22 March 2021 18: 09
            +1
            Shh! They don't know that you are not from Israel .... smile Why did you burn such a concert.
            1. Emil Azeri
              Emil Azeri 22 March 2021 18: 29
              +7
              Quote: ironic
              Shh! They don't know that you are not from Israel .... smile Why did you burn such a concert.

              Already confused in quotes, if you are for Me, then I am not from Israel, but from friendly Azerbaijan.
              Salamu Alekum Va Rahmatullahi va Barakatuhu.
              Best wishes to the State of Israel.
              Israel is the closest and most Muslim-friendly state.
              1. ironic
                ironic 22 March 2021 19: 51
                0
                I know you don’t remember, I congratulated you on your victory in another topic. It's just that in response, such a concert began, and you take the truth and the uterus ... and that's all, well-wishers immediately fled. smile
                1. Emil Azeri
                  Emil Azeri 22 March 2021 23: 44
                  -1
                  Quote: ironic
                  and you take the truth and the uterus ... and that's it, well-wishers immediately fled. smile

                  I AM??
                  Very much like me, please excuse me.))) I have such deviations in the direction of manic psychopathy.))))
                  And thanks for all the support ..
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 22 March 2021 23: 48
                    -1
                    Yes, please, and I wish you success in quickly rebuilding what was destroyed after the war. drinks
                    PS And don't relax. Your neighbors won't calm down so easily.
                    1. Emil Azeri
                      Emil Azeri 22 March 2021 23: 58
                      -2
                      Quote: ironic
                      Yes, please, and I wish you success in quickly rebuilding what was destroyed after the war. drinks

                      Not without the help of the State of Israel.
                      Thank you in the first place.
                      (Israeli doctors healed many of our guys, as it turned out - free of charge.)
                      Even your ophthalmologists did not take money.
                      Probably you know, recently about 10-15 of your ophthalmologists came to perform operations on our Mujahideen after the war, many just had an eye operation, some had prosthetic eyes, which is interesting, in the end they refused to take money for the work. We did it for free.
                      At the end of the war, the Israeli state sent surgical digital devices worth $ 72,000 to Azerbaijan as assistance. Just free of charge as help.
                      Thanks you. We love Israel as much as we love Turkey, just believe me.
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 24 March 2021 02: 19
                        0
                        Skipped through our media. I believe. You don't need to convince me, on my last birthday I was born to the crown, probably with 10 people from Baku were sitting at the table. I am a strongly pro-Azerbaijani type. smile
                        The most interesting thing is that I have never been to Azerbaijan or Armenia. The formation of my position was simple - "you will recognize them by deeds" (C), and my friends are from Azerbaijan, this is already a consequence of the formation of my position.
                      2. Emil Azeri
                        Emil Azeri 25 March 2021 02: 11
                        -2
                        We are also strongly pro-Israel-minded "types".)) Thank you.
                        And in vain that you did not visit Azerbaijan, we are looking forward to seeing you!
                      3. ironic
                        ironic 25 March 2021 21: 42
                        -1
                        They've been inviting me for a long time. I couldn't get out because of work. A startup is an eternal strain. And last year completely killed the covid, but I will definitely find the time. smile
    2. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 18: 06
      -1
      Very, always, someone from the neighbors had to voice thunderstorms. And who are they?
  • Carat
    Carat 22 March 2021 14: 16
    0
    Few people know the fact that Israeli pilots are the best in the world.

    I don't think our Russian pilots are worse.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 March 2021 14: 37
      -5
      There is no such thing - better, worse. laughing
      1. Emil Azeri
        Emil Azeri 22 March 2021 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: Krasnodar
        There is no such thing - better, worse. laughing

        There is such a thing. better, worse.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 22 March 2021 14: 50
          -1
          Oh .. ok, what are the criteria? The Israelis have more raid, the Russians pay more attention to the technique of air combat, while the Jews learn only a couple of elements there, bringing them to automatism.
          It's like an argument - who is better, a boxer or a karate fighter?
          In fact, both are dangerous, they can cut it out, it all depends on the situation.
          1. Kaman
            Kaman 22 March 2021 14: 58
            +4
            You can argue endlessly. In fact: in a single air battle, the score was 5: 0 in favor of Israel
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 22 March 2021 15: 00
              -1
              Quote: Kaman
              You can argue endlessly. In fact: in a single air battle, the score was 5: 0 in favor of Israel

              This is not about anything.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 22 March 2021 15: 04
              -1
              Quote: Kaman
              You can argue endlessly. In fact: in a single air battle, the score was 5: 0 in favor of Israel

              Come on - there was an ambush.
              1. ironic
                ironic 22 March 2021 18: 11
                0
                What an ambush! good
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 22 March 2021 18: 25
                  -3
                  That is, a well-planned operation, including radio-electronic suppression of communication channels, the numerical superiority of the Israelis, etc.
                  Therefore - not an indicator
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 22 March 2021 20: 20
                    -1
                    Those. a real combat operation, well planned and well executed. And the numerical advantage, just, was not on the side of the Israelites. There were 24 Migas in the air. Still as indicative.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 22 March 2021 20: 38
                      -3
                      Participated in the battle 12, in my opinion. Then they raised the same amount when the Israelis were already far away
                    2. ironic
                      ironic 22 March 2021 20: 51
                      -1
                      So the Phantoms were one four and two fours of Mirages.
                    3. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 22 March 2021 21: 21
                      -3
                      As far as I remember - four mirages and 12 phantoms
                    4. ironic
                      ironic 22 March 2021 21: 26
                      -1
                      I remember the opposite.
                    5. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 22 March 2021 21: 37
                      -2
                      Looked - 4 phantoms, 12 mirages
                    6. ironic
                      ironic 22 March 2021 21: 39
                      -1
                      We were both a little wrong. smile
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  • kventinasd
    kventinasd 22 March 2021 14: 28
    -4
    Quote: Emil Azeri
    Few people know the fact that Israeli pilots are the best in the world.

    And who checked it? Let them come to the Russian aviadarts once and show their skills.
    Against our test pilots, and I think some combatants, they have little chance.
    Every year I ride to these competitions and see what the 35th dryers are capable of. In terms of maneuverability in aerial combat, the West simply has no analogues.
    1. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 22 March 2021 15: 47
      +3
      Quote: kventinasd
      Let them come to the Russian aviadarts once and show their skills.

      Skills are shown and received a master class on the territory of Israel, just flew in and already abroad (this was with Russian pilots in Syria).
      The Blue Flag exercise was held at the Ovda Air Force Base in southern Israel.
      These were the first international exercises for the fifth fighters, carried out in Israel with the participation of the F-35 aircraft. The exercises were of prime strategic importance and will have a significant impact on the Israeli Air Force, the IDF and the State of Israel as a whole. More than thousands of people - flight crews and technical and administrative personnel.
      Several countries took part in the exercise this year, including: Germany, Italy, Greece and the USA.
      I understand you, but the fact remains.
      1. kventinasd
        kventinasd 22 March 2021 16: 23
        -7
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        Skills are shown and received a master class on the territory of Israel, just flew in and already abroad (this was with Russian pilots in Syria).

        The disadvantage of the Israeli Air Force in a serious military conflict is the location of air bases, which are destroyed by modern tactical means in a few hours, even without the use of aviation. And nuclear weapons will not be needed. Against those who "yet" do not have modern means of delivery of warheads, let them train.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 22 March 2021 17: 08
          0
          This is a known problem, so no one will let the enemy shoot freely, even for half an hour in a row. hi
        2. ironic
          ironic 22 March 2021 18: 18
          0
          These are the ones that are destroyed before they are at the launch range of the aircraft? And those that do not have time to kill, those in the Jordanian courts as usual after meeting with Hetz-2? There is neither the Crimean nor the Kaliningrad bridgehead, which someone can create on their territory for a long time and without hindrance. When there is an attempt to create such a foothold at a tactical distance, we all here amicably read about the downed Israeli missiles, but material damage was inflicted. And if nuclear weapons appear on the BV at a tactical range from the Israeli borders, then a full-scale war will begin faster than you have time to write a post on the VO.
          1. kventinasd
            kventinasd 23 March 2021 00: 10
            -3
            Quote: ironic
            then a full-scale war will begin faster than you have time to write a post on VO

            Most importantly, you will not have time to realize what dimension you are in if you have time to wake up by that time. For all your srail and half of the poplar is enough for the remnants to again begin to gypsy around the world. laughing
            1. ironic
              ironic 24 March 2021 02: 14
              -1
              Yeah. 73 years of the same songs. Do you know what will happen? You will go behind the fence, just like the same hunters before you, and Israel will continue on. And so now it will always be. wink
              1. kventinasd
                kventinasd 24 March 2021 13: 41
                +1
                Quote: ironic
                Yeah. 73 years of the same songs. Do you know what will happen? You will go behind the fence, just like the same hunters before you, and Israel will continue on. And so now it will always be.

                Will not. Ask any Muslim anywhere in the world which country he hates the most. I think over time they will make their dream come true. And your place will be in Birobidzhan at best.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 25 March 2021 21: 52
                  -1
                  Of course he asked. It depends on who. The Sunites and Shiites hate each other so much at one o'clock that they have no time for us ... Azerbaijanis are generally so friends to us. Kazakhs are happy to train with us ... And the Arabs are not all bearded guys in skirts for a long time. In Biribidjan, this is your place and it has not fallen to us since its inception. And dreams are still changing and over time your dreams will bury us, they will bury us, as they should.
    2. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 18: 12
      -1
      Yeah, at a speed of 0.5-0.6M ...
  • Cananecat
    Cananecat 22 March 2021 14: 36
    -5
    I licked it for good ... 404s may take offense and call some airport after Bandera or Shukhevych. ))
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 March 2021 15: 07
    -2
    I knew one of ours who drove such an exceptional pilot into the hot sands of Egypt. Shooting from the shilka with a cry, Mom! For which he received the Order of the Red Star in 73.
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 18: 20
      +2
      There are always casualties in war. But how many of these shilok were transferred to remelting, in the end, in the same 73rd this is a separate story, and this despite the fact that Israel was in the most disadvantageous position in its entire existence. And how did it all end?
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 22 March 2021 20: 01
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      I knew one of ours,

      Yes, I knew, and in Moscow they knew and very well, that they remember this even today.
      By March 1970, the grouping of Soviet troops in Egypt included:
      1) the 18th special-purpose anti-aircraft missile division (commanded by Major General A.G. Smirnov, the number of personnel is 1,5 thousand people), consisting of four anti-aircraft missile brigades and an electronic warfare center;
      2) a fighter-aviation group (senior group - Major General of Aviation G.U. Dolnikov) consisting of:
      - 35th separate fighter squadron (30 MiG-21MF, 42 pilots - commander Colonel Y. V. Nastenko; all personnel - servicemen of the USSR Air Force);
      - 135th Fighter Aviation Regiment (40 MiG-21MF, 60 pilots - commander Colonel K.K. Korotyuk; officers - servicemen of the USSR Air Force, the rest - servicemen of the Armed Forces of Egypt);
      - 90th separate long-range reconnaissance squadron of special purpose (Tu-16R, Be-12, Tu-16P, Il-38);
      3) a detachment of ships of the Black Sea, Baltic and Northern fleets as part of the 5th (Mediterranean) squadron of the USSR Navy;
      4) a group of military advisers and specialists (the senior of the group is the chief military adviser, who is also the commander-in-chief of the Soviet special-purpose group in Egypt, Colonel-General I.S. Katyshkin (1968-1970).
      IT'S ALL AGAINST ONE LITTLE COUNTRY

      On the night of March 14-15, 1970, the first two Soviet missile divisions took up positions and took up combat duty. On July 18, 1970, the Israelis attempted to eliminate the Soviet anti-aircraft missile group. Five Russian divisions were attacked by twenty Phantoms of the Israeli Air Force. Two divisions of the air defense missile system came under attack and the launchers were destroyed by a direct hit. As a result of the explosions, 7 missile launchers were also killed.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 22 March 2021 15: 34
    0
    Quote: Emil Azeri
    Few people know the fact that Israeli pilots are the best in the world.

    Where does this conclusion follow?
    Try to tell the Americans about it, on the pages of the American publications, they will just peck you
    1. stone
      stone 22 March 2021 15: 51
      +5
      You just need to formulate it correctly. Not the world's best pilots, but one of the world's best pilot training systems with a rigorous selection of the best of the best. And constant improvement of skills with a large number of flight hours, including combat missions!
    2. Shimshon
      Shimshon 22 March 2021 19: 57
      -1
      There is no need to say anything to the Americans. He and Hel Avir have been butting at the Red flag for ten years. Both the Britons and the Germans, everything that the Israeli Air Force combat pilots can do. And when Israel conducts exercises, they do not refuse to participate in them. And if the Greeks ask Israel to update their air force, in terms of training, and not NATO, then everyone understands the level of the Israelis very well.
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 22 March 2021 14: 34
    +4
    "It is equipped with Lavi fighters (they were eventually replaced by American F-16s in the army) and M-346 training aircraft (the technological counterpart of the Russian Yak-130)."
    The author is a great specialist, but does not know that the IAF calls the M-346 planes "Lavi". In the history of Israeli aviation, this name was given twice, first in the late 80s to an aircraft of its own design, and then in the 2000s to the M-346 training aircraft.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 22 March 2021 15: 28
      +2
      that is, we are not talking about an Israeli-designed fighter?
      after all, the article clearly states
      they were eventually replaced by American F-16s in the army.

      from which it follows that we are talking about Israeli Lavi
      PS
      I read it on the Internet and, indeed, these aircraft are not used (except for museum operation)

      So you are right - in the article nonsense
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 22 March 2021 18: 14
        0
        Quote: Flood
        that is, we are not talking about an Israeli-designed fighter?
        after all, the article clearly states

        No, Lavi and M-346 are the same plane. And the F-16 was never in 102 Squadron. This is a training squadron.
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  • Niko
    Niko 22 March 2021 15: 09
    +1
    Quote: kventinasd
    Quote: Vitaly Gusin
    The article says little

    This shkolota in the Lipetsk Aviation Center will be kicked out from the first year. laughing

    Have already tried it. Read about the six day war
    1. kventinasd
      kventinasd 22 March 2021 15: 35
      .
      Quote: Niko
      Have already tried it. Read about the six day war

      And where else did the Sraelites become famous besides this war against mindless opponents? Or maybe they have experience of confronting the Air Force (USSR-Russia)?
      1. stone
        stone 22 March 2021 15: 46
        +8
        Where? Where? Shaw in a battle with Soviet pilots in 1970, were they all brainless too? Or 1982 in the Bekaa Valley? Study history.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 22 March 2021 16: 03
        +5
        "Or maybe they have experience of confrontation between the Air Force (USSR-Russia)" ///
        ----
        There is. There was an air battle.
        1. kventinasd
          kventinasd 22 March 2021 16: 10
          -8
          Quote: voyaka uh
          There is. There was an air battle.

          Heard already here about your fairy tales
          1. ironic
            ironic 22 March 2021 18: 27
            +1
            Sometimes read not only uryakalka agitation.

            https://shaon.livejournal.com/241278.html
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      4. ironic
        ironic 22 March 2021 18: 24
        +1
        There is only one straight line. Cost the USSR 5 Migs. But the experience of a collision with the pilot "li-si-tsyn", he was not in the same war with the Arabs. Then they sent the survivors back quietly through diplomatic representatives, so as not to conflict directly with the USSR once again.
  • Niko
    Niko 22 March 2021 16: 03
    +5
    Quote: kventinasd
    Quote: Niko
    Have already tried it. Read about the six day war

    And where else did the Sraelites become famous besides this war against mindless opponents? Or maybe they have experience of confronting the Air Force (USSR-Russia)?

    Do you call Soviet instructors and military advisers brainless opponents?
    1. Emil Azeri
      Emil Azeri 22 March 2021 16: 10
      0
      Quote: Niko
      Quote: kventinasd
      Quote: Niko
      Have already tried it. Read about the six day war

      And where else did the Sraelites become famous besides this war against mindless opponents? Or maybe they have experience of confronting the Air Force (USSR-Russia)?

      Do you call Soviet instructors and military advisers brainless opponents?

      They call the detachments of 3-4 thousand people of Khattab and Basayev "brainless", who have been destroying the Russian army for more than 10 years on their own territory. They could not defeat them for more than 10 years.) And using missiles scud, aviation, special forces, and all the power of rocket and barrel artillery.))))
    2. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 18: 29
      -1
      Oh, how many cases of these guys returning to the quiet USSR, so as not to inflate unnecessary conflicts, through the representations of other countries ... of those who survived, of course.
  • Niko
    Niko 22 March 2021 16: 18
    -1
    Quote: kventinasd
    Quote: Niko
    Have already tried it. Read about the six day war

    And where else did the Sraelites become famous besides this war against mindless opponents? Or maybe they have experience of confronting the Air Force (USSR-Russia)?

    Yes, of course you are right: the fact that the Israeli air force destroyed the enemy air force at the airfields is a huge mistake, they did not let you be smart about air battles and the EXCELLENCE of Soviet equipment and pilots (but try to evaluate anything on the basis of tank battles, where there were plenty of equipment from the guys from the union )
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 18: 31
      -2
      Yeah, the instructors could not even teach the wards tactics different from the one followed by the 9th Army at the Romanian border before June 22nd. So many years have passed, and the Israelis have successfully rolled out the same scenario, well, with some adaptation to the terrain.
  • surfdude
    surfdude 22 March 2021 17: 54
    -2
    Quote: kventinasd
    Quote: Niko
    Have already tried it. Read about the six day war

    And where else did the Sraelites become famous besides this war against mindless opponents? Or maybe they have experience of confronting the Air Force (USSR-Russia)?

    Self-critical. Sit down, five!
  • Viktor Afanasev
    Viktor Afanasev 22 March 2021 17: 57
    +2
    It is not harmful for anyone to study foreign experience, to evaluate.
    It is not stupid to copy and not stupid to deny everything - which is equally stupid ...
    And if the experience is useful and can be applied in oneself, use it.
    Israel is not an ally for us, but the fact that it adequately keeps itself surrounded by aggressive Arab countries confirms the high level of military training and weapons ...
    (I consider his actions against the government forces of Syria leading a serious war against terrorists to be vile actions)
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 18: 35
      0
      The actions of the government forces of Syria can be called vile, when they were directly given to understand - do not get into our showdown with the IRGC (not counting the fact that you gave the IRGC an opportunity to really threaten our territory, having been warned that this is fraught) and no one to shoot at you will become. But no ...
      1. Viktor Afanasev
        Viktor Afanasev 22 March 2021 19: 29
        +1
        And how did the Syrian army "get into the showdown between Israel and the IRGC" ???

        If it were not for the Syrian army, Israel would have fought with IgiGil directly ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 March 2021 20: 30
          +1
          ISIS tried to twitch at the border once, got splashes from tank guns and did not try again. And Israel is fighting ISIS mainly by helping Egypt to sausage its representatives in the Sinai.
          1. Viktor Afanasev
            Viktor Afanasev 22 March 2021 20: 54
            +1
            Quote: ironic
            ISIS tried to twitch at the border once, got splashes from tank guns and did not try again.

            - So because the Syrian army pushed him away from the Israeli border, so he did not try anymore ...
            1. ironic
              ironic 22 March 2021 21: 28
              +2
              They did not try because they got it in the brain, and the Syrian army moved back to the Israeli border after a long time. Our country is small; kaya we follow the news on our borders well and know what happens there, when and how, often even against the will of our Defense Ministry.
          2. Viktor Afanasev
            Viktor Afanasev 22 March 2021 21: 01
            +1
            Along the entire border line, the terrorists did not approach Israel - only individual detachments infiltrated. Which were easy to scare away. But if Assad had fallen, the whole crowd would have rushed to Israel, because they have no more enemies nearby ...
            1. ironic
              ironic 22 March 2021 21: 33
              +1
              If only mushrooms would grow in my mouth. And for Israel to crush the eastern Golan with caterpillars and place the entire lowland under them under the direct fire of ordinary six-inch machines, it was like sending two bits.
              1. kventinasd
                kventinasd 23 March 2021 00: 22
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                Quote: ironic
                it was like sending two bits.

                And Iran and the Islamic world that joined it, would crush Israel in no time, if not for the help of minke whales. Yes, and the Turks would not mind tearing up this misunderstanding.
                1. ironic
                  ironic 24 March 2021 02: 12
                  -1
                  Shaw weren't able to do that until the 67th, while there was no help from the minke whales? And even the Arab world is not burning with desire anymore. And the Turks have nothing to do with anything yet ...
                  1. kventinasd
                    kventinasd 24 March 2021 13: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: ironic
                    Shaw weren't able to do that until the 67th, while there was no help from the minke whales? And even the Arab world is not burning with desire anymore. And the Turks have nothing to do with anything yet ...

                    The Turks, on occasion, will crush you with one land, although their aviation is also not weak.
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 25 March 2021 21: 47
                      -1
                      But the land will not reach us in any way, just as wet-melting will not reach us, and they will not get involved with us in the air, they know who taught them how to build the air and the rocket industry. And there is no need for them to spoil the multibillion-dollar trade turnover, which, even being halved, is more than we have with the Russian Federation now. So loot, as usual, triumphs over evil.
        2. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 22 March 2021 20: 41
          -1
          Quote: Viktor Afanasev
          And how did the Syrian army "get into the showdown between Israel and the IRGC" ???

          If it were not for the Syrian army, Israel would have fought with IgiGil directly ...

          What is the fear for Israel - a war with IS .. laughing
          1. Viktor Afanasev
            Viktor Afanasev 22 March 2021 20: 52
            +2
            Quote: Krasnodar
            What is the fear for Israel - the war with IS

            Look at the losses of the Syrian army.
            It is clear that Israel would not liberate all settlements,
            but then the "inclinations" of tens of thousands of ISIS members would have been continuous all these years.
            Including missile strikes throughout northern Israel.
            Not to mention the increase in terrorists on the territory of Israel itself.
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 22 March 2021 21: 29
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              The point is as follows:
              The terrorists have a natural barter in the form of the Golan Heights, which IS, not covered by aircraft and without a clear air defense, will not be able to overcome.
              Missile strikes - I do not argue, but then it would be necessary to enter the territory of Syria, to demolish settlements cleanly with the silence of the world, tk. IS, unlike Hezbollah in Lebanon, is a universally recognized evil.
              On the territory of Israel itself - let's say, they would have been surrendered by other Palestinians. Even Hamas.
              In short, the IRGC on the borders of Israel is more dangerous for Jews. Daesh would have been smeared along with the entire territory he occupied
              1. Viktor Afanasev
                Viktor Afanasev 22 March 2021 21: 42
                +3
                Terrorists have natural barter in the form of the Golan Heights

                - After the victory over Assad, you think Lebanon would not have let it go, bypassing the Golan Heights, and you can even farther south ...
                they would be rented by other Palestinians

                - Why do they need it ???
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 23 March 2021 00: 14
                  0
                  He could have missed it - then Israel, like Makar, without any regard to the world community, would have burned the south of Lebanon together with IS, which is of a global scale. And Lebanon would hardly want to let the Islamists through, with its Shiite and Christian population.
                  Palestinians? When in one mosque in Gaza, one of the ISIS and his comrades decided to declare a caliphate and called on Hamas to swear allegiance to ISIS, and on live air, the mosque was taken by storm and everyone was shot. Why should Palestinian organizations, even religious ones, care about competition?
            2. ironic
              ironic 22 March 2021 21: 36
              +1
              You forget that it would be enough for Israel to seize the eastern part of the Golan, clean it up and create a military infrastructure. Everything under them, as in the scope of a sniper. And Israel does not need territorial "achievements".
              1. Viktor Afanasev
                Viktor Afanasev 22 March 2021 21: 53
                +1
                If not for the Syrian army, Russia, the USA, Iran -
                Israel would have had a very hard time... Daesh would have received part of the weapons of the Syrian army, after the victory in Syria. And there would be more supporters in Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, and even in Egypt ...
                This, of course, would not be a classic war of two armies, with direct clashes, as in a war, with the same Egypt, but with individual terrorists and detachments. Therefore, a quick, beautiful victory, like in Sinai, would not have come out.
                It would not have ended only with the arrangement of the fortified area on the Golan Heights.
                And now - the other guys did it all, Israel can sleep peacefully wink
                1. ironic
                  ironic 22 March 2021 22: 20
                  +2
                  You keep chanting mantras, and I know what the Golan Heights looks like and I know how the separation system is patrolled and how the countryside and urban areas are patrolled, and not from stories. Therefore, propaganda proclamations are not interesting to me. No.
                  1. Viktor Afanasev
                    Viktor Afanasev 22 March 2021 22: 33
                    +1
                    Even with absolute control over the Golan Heights region.
                    What would prevent terrorists from mixing with refugees and going to Israel through Lebanon - to Palestine or through Jordan to Palestine and organize another terrorist nest there?
                    1. ironic
                      ironic 22 March 2021 22: 38
                      +1
                      Israel is also by the way Palestine, just not all. What was in the way? And what is stopping them now, despite the tens of thousands of Arab workers who do not have a blue ID, passing through checkpoints every day to work in Israel? You have a very poor idea of ​​our realities and the validity of the organization called Shabak, as well as the possibility of any large group of refugees to go to Israel through the northern borders.
                      1. Viktor Afanasev
                        Viktor Afanasev 22 March 2021 22: 48
                        +2
                        And now terrorists do not penetrate the territory of Israel, in any way?
                        And missiles do not fall on border areas?

                        https://www.newsru.co.il/israel/01jan2021/ter2020_105.html

                        All this would have increased exponentially if the Syrian army had not won ...

                        And look - the peak of "missile terrorism" in Israel was in 2014, 3686 missiles, then a sharp decline? When the serious victories of the Syrian army began ...
                      2. ironic
                        ironic 22 March 2021 23: 04
                        +2
                        Again, you have little idea of ​​the reality about which you write. There was a period of knife intifada and there was a period of bus attacks when they penetrated. They managed to take this under control and we can say that today they hardly penetrate. And rocket attacks on Gaza are not at all a collision border, either militarily or politically. What Israel can roll out in the north is not very convenient for it to do in the south. And in the South, Qatari money and part of their circulation through Israel are heavily involved. There is a connection with the north, but not at all the one you are writing about. Hamastan ISIS sickle in the balls, like the Hizbalons. Again, you theorize about what you do not understand, just for the sake of repeating your own. Well, keep on repeating. From this you will not begin to understand the difference.
  • ironic
    ironic 22 March 2021 18: 45
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    Quote: Threaded Screw
    Addresses, surnames, dates of birth ...,

    Classified. Photos and videos of faces too.
  • iouris
    iouris 22 March 2021 19: 07
    0
    "We can repeat!" (Hebrew only).
    1. Shimshon
      Shimshon 22 March 2021 20: 15
      -1
      Fortunately, no. In Israel, they ALWAYS remember that there is no war without losses. On the days of victories: They do not arrange parades, do not tear vests on their chest, do not write on cars "to Damascus, to Cairo", do not wear military uniforms on children and adolescents, do not go out on the streets with orders, but silently freeze the whole country for a minute of silence to the sounds of sirens. And then they go to the military cemeteries, to honor the memory of their relatives, swim over the grave, read a prayer. Grief is for everything, both personal and collective.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 23 March 2021 02: 23
        -2

        Shimshon (Tal)
        Yesterday, 20: 15

        0
        Fortunately, no. In Israel, they ALWAYS remember that there is no war without losses. On the days of victories: They don’t arrange parades, don’t rip vests on their chest, don’t write on cars "to Damascus, to Cairo", don’t wear military uniforms on children and adolescents, don’t take to the streets with orders,
        That is why we are different from you. We, the Russian people, honor the memory of our dead relatives AS THE PEOPLE decided, and it is not for you to decide in what form this happens. Sopi there "silently" "to the sound of sirens." angry P.S. with your post, you have offended the entire Russian people .... I would have added more in Russian, but the administration will not let it through. But you, and so understood where you should go, and not just go !, but fly without delay and looking back! angry
        1. Shimshon
          Shimshon 23 March 2021 11: 43
          0
          That's why we are different from you

          I'm aware of the extra chromosome.
          We honor the memory of the lost relatives SO, as the PEOPLE decided, and it is not for you to decide in what form this happens.

          Read what you want, I just showed the difference in approach. And why did you decide that I decided something? You are a poor speaker of the mighty Russian language, since you do not understand what is written in it. Leave your interpretations to yourself, and the threats even more so.
          1. ironic
            ironic 24 March 2021 03: 27
            -1
            What threats are there. Here, before the fence, there is nothing for the character, but he is still trying to work out bile.
  • not main
    not main 22 March 2021 22: 37
    +2
    I went to VO! Tell me, how did I get to the Jewish portal?
    1. ironic
      ironic 24 March 2021 03: 18
      -1
      Not Jewish, but Russian with a Jewish theme. Jews also get to Jewish portals with Russian themes, nothing, everyone is alive.
  • kventinasd
    kventinasd 23 March 2021 00: 30
    -1
    Quote: non-primary
    I went to VO! Tell me, how did I get to the Jewish portal?

    Yes, here they graze in droves like dill on Russian forums in the Donbass ..
    1. ironic
      ironic 24 March 2021 03: 20
      -1
      Well, Russians graze in droves on Israeli portals in Russian. Do you think they can also be compared with some kind of drink?
  • Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 23 March 2021 09: 49
    -1
    Lavi? Hmm ... They didn't even seem to be put into service. Americans didn’t put pressure back in the 80s. They said that there would be no engines
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