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The Ministry of Defense is considering the issue of placing the first carrier of nuclear "Poseidons"

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The Ministry of Defense is considering the issue of placing the first carrier of nuclear "Poseidons"

The Ministry of Defense is working on the issue of placing the first regular carrier of Poseidon submarine drones, a special-purpose submarine of Project 09851 Khabarovsk. Reportedly "News" with reference to the military department, Kamchatka is called one of the possible deployment options.


The Russian Navy is considering Vilyuchinsk in Kamchatka as one of the main options for the placement of the Poseidon carrier of the Khabarovsk nuclear submarine, which will become part of the Pacific Ocean fleet... Several factors speak in favor of Kamchatka: by the end of the year, all the necessary infrastructure for basing new generation submarines will be put into operation in Vilyuchinsk, as well as the sea depths in this region allow submarines to conduct covert deployment.

To date, as the newspaper emphasizes, the final decision on the placement of "Khabarovsk" has not been made. The submarine should be launched this year, the exact date is still unknown.

Project 09851 Khabarovsk nuclear submarine will be a regular carrier of unmanned underwater vehicles and, according to unconfirmed reports, will be able to carry at least six Poseidons on board. The Khabarovsk project was developed at the Rubin Central Design Bureau (CDB), the submarine itself was laid down at Sevmash in July 2014. The technical details of the project were not disclosed.

The Poseidon strategic submarine is designed to engage a variety of targets, including carrier groups and coastal fortifications. The apparatus is equipped with a nuclear power plant. It is capable of diving to a depth of over 1 km and has an unlimited range. It can be armed with a 2 megaton nuclear warhead.

It should be noted that earlier it was reported that the Ministry of Defense plans to adopt up to 32 Poseidon underwater uninhabited vehicles, with the prospect of building four underwater carriers under them. According to the plans of the military department, two submarines with drones should be deployed in the Northern and Pacific fleets.
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 22 March 2021 12: 23
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    That is, according to the old Russian tradition, everything is done at the last moment? How will the boat be based there, if a place has not yet been chosen, but communications, infrastructure, conditions for life, work, repairs are needed? What were you thinking about when they just started building submarines - about throwing dust in your eyes? ??
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 22 March 2021 12: 30
      +16
      Quote: Thrifty
      That is, according to the old Russian tradition, everything is done at the last moment? How will the boat be based there, if a place has not yet been chosen, but communications, infrastructure, conditions for life, work, repairs are needed? What were you thinking about when they just started building submarines - about throwing dust in your eyes? ??

      What did you read? Or was he eager to stick his comments in the front rows, without delving into what was written?
      by the end of the year, all the necessary infrastructure for basing new generation submarines will be put into operation in Vilyuchinsk
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 22 March 2021 12: 55
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        Stepan, I read like everyone else with my eyes! Only this boat is different from others in that it is a carrier of strategic nuclear submarine drones, which also need to be hidden, and not kept on deck forever. They also need to be serviced, repaired, and prevented. The difference between such submarines from the usual atamarina is huge, here the infrastructure needs a slightly different one! So, the presence of a place of deployment for an NS is not the presence of a place of deployment for a carrier of underwater drones with a nuclear power plant and a nuclear warhead, everything is much more complicated here, and otherwise! !!
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 22 March 2021 13: 23
          +2
          Quote: Thrifty
          Stepan, I read like everyone else with my eyes! Only this boat is different from others in that it is a carrier of strategic nuclear submarine drones, which also need to be hidden, and not kept on deck forever. They also need to be serviced, repaired, and prevented. The difference between such submarines from the usual atamarina is huge, here the infrastructure needs a slightly different one! So, the presence of a place of deployment for an NS is not the presence of a place of deployment for a carrier of underwater drones with a nuclear power plant and a nuclear warhead, everything is much more complicated here, and otherwise! !!

          Well, as if you didn't read with your eyes, or just rested on your own.
          submarine infrastructure new generation

          What specific do you have? Or just lengthy reasoning like yours -
          here everything is much more complicated, and otherwise! !!

          Well, this is
          this boat is different from others in that it is a carrier of strategic nuclear submarine drones, which also you need to hide, and not always keep on deck.

          says that you have no idea what you are writing about at all. Yeah, "Poseidons" will be attached to the submarine, TOP. on deck, on davits. laughing Don't make people laugh, "thrifty"
          PS I'm sorry, but I don't know your name, so with a small letter.
          1. Thrifty
            Thrifty 22 March 2021 14: 18
            -7
            Stepan, a simple example, you are a person related to military aviation, a technician or a pilot, I don’t know. Just imagine, a squadron of bombers is deployed at an ordinary civil airport on a permanent basis. Everything is fine, will you start the first sorties from tomorrow? It doesn't matter that there is still no fuel supply for your aircraft, there is also a shortage of hangars, premises for repairs, specialized ammunition depots. ... yes, in fact, there is nothing for military aviation there! Is such a place of service a joy for you? Poseidon is the latest weapon, like no one has ever built, it will need to be stored and maintained not like an ordinary torpedo or a rocket! This is a complex device for which you need to create everything from scratch, starting from a special room for storing nuclear warheads, which are rumored to be under a hundred megatons, for repairing Poseidon's equipment, for his reactor, for checking finished products by immersion! We have created such a weapon for the first time in the world, the infrastructure needs to be created specifically for Poseidon, and the equipment on the carrier also requires special attention, different storage and maintenance conditions are needed! PS is my name Sergey, just in case hi
            1. kot423
              kot423 22 March 2021 14: 28
              +7
              Quote: Thrifty
              starting from a special room for storing nuclear warheads,

              Would you google something before writing nonsense ... Ie Borei in Velyuchinsk are on civilian piers, clubs are lying around the port, and they go to the factory for service?
              1. Thrifty
                Thrifty 22 March 2021 14: 45
                -4
                Cat 423-speech about infrastructure under Poseidon! !! Or, is this the second generation of such devices, have they already been built in the USSR or Russia? Minus is easier to put than to ponder what your opponent has read! !!!
                1. kot423
                  kot423 22 March 2021 15: 30
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                  Quote: Thrifty
                  about the infrastructure under Poseidon! !! Or, is this the second generation of such devices, have they already been built in the USSR or Russia? Minus is easier to put,

                  1. I did not put any cons.
                  2. You have in your hands the complete performance characteristics of Poseidon, in order to prove with foam at the mouth that specials are needed for him. infrastructure? He has a reactor like on a Lear, and you need to build a heating of the reactor, nuclear warheads are based on a different principle than on a mace, lead screws do not spin, but waving blades?
                  3. The article says in Russian and white:
                  "by the end of the year, all the necessary infrastructure for basing new generation submarines will be put into operation in Vilyuchinsk," that is, not to create from scratch, but to optimize the existing one. However, with the persistence of a character in front of the gate, you continue to talk nonsense.
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon 22 March 2021 17: 21
              -1
              Quote: Thrifty
              Just imagine, a squadron of bombers is deployed at an ordinary civil airport on a permanent basis.

              I don’t understand if you’re just stupid, a user, or a conscious troll (more like that). You have already been written three times that
              by the end of the year in Vilyuchinsk will be put into operation all the necessary infrastructure for the basing of new generation submarines

              but you stupidly continue to write that there is nothing there and is not expected. In general, I'm tired of my pouring from empty to empty. If something really smart comes to mind - write in a personal.
        2. venik
          venik 22 March 2021 13: 55
          +3
          Quote: Thrifty
          Stepan, I read like everyone else with my eyes!

          ========
          The question is - than MEANING (written)? There are 2 (TWO) accommodation options: in the Northern Fleet and in the Pacific Fleet! Prepare sites both there and there! Question - WHERE to send the FIRST carrier boat? We decided to go to Kamchatka!
        3. g1v2
          g1v2 22 March 2021 16: 36
          -2
          In principle, it is true, but there is one but. Poseidons are still on trials and in Vilyuchinsk they will not be seen in significant numbers for several more years, so there is time for everything. The service and basing of the submarine carriers themselves is hardly very different from the strategists, and the number of those in the Pacific Fleet has decreased, so there is room.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 22 March 2021 17: 11
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            Quote: g1v2
            In principle, it is true, but there is one but. Poseidons are still on trials and in Vilyuchinsk they will not be seen in significant numbers for several more years, so there is time for everything.


            Come on?

            But what about the announcements of our military-industrial complex and talking heads from the command of the Fleet that Belgorod will enter service with the Poseidons in 2021?
            Moreover, it has already been shifted to the right for a year ...
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 22 March 2021 17: 55
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              I strongly advise you to pass all the statements of admirals and representatives of the military-industrial complex through logic and common sense. Then you will not believe in various nonsense about 2300 armatures by 2020 or helicopter carriers built in 4 years. Belgorod is not just the lead ship of the new project. This is essentially the lead ship of a whole new class. That is, it will only be tested by itself for at least a couple of years, even without Poseidons and other drones. Poseidon is a new class of weapons. He will be tested no less. The same zircon for example, although it has already confirmed its characteristics, will still be tested for another year or two. And here, in general, the strategic level. Further, it is a big difference to develop and test a product in a small batch and adjust its serial production. Even if we somehow manage to speed it up, before 23 years old I would not have waited for the first submarine with Poseidons on the OBD. This is reality. The statements of the admirals are a misunderstanding of the real production, statements of the representatives of the military-industrial complex are advertising and marketing. request
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 22 March 2021 18: 00
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                Quote: g1v2
                I strongly advise you to pass all the statements of admirals and representatives of the military-industrial complex through logic and common sense. Then you will not believe in various nonsense about 2300 armatures by 2020 or helicopter carriers built in 4 years. Belgorod is not just the lead ship of the new project. This is essentially the lead ship of a whole new class. That is, it will only be tested by itself for at least a couple of years, even without Poseidons and other drones. Poseidon is a new class of weapons. He will be tested no less. The same zircon for example, although it has already confirmed its characteristics, will still be tested for another year or two. And here, in general, the strategic level. Further, it is a big difference to develop and test a product in a small batch and adjust its serial production. Even if we somehow manage to speed it up, before 23 years old I would not have waited for the first submarine with Poseidons on the OBD. This is reality. The statements of the admirals are a misunderstanding of the real production, statements of the representatives of the military-industrial complex are advertising and marketing. request


                So much pathos and praises ...

                But Khabarovsk and Belgorod are different boats.
                Moreover, these boats are made according to a single piece projects.
                They are not the head ones.

                Do not braid zircon. This is just a modification of Onyx, with an aeroballistic high-altitude flight path ...
              2. Bad_gr
                Bad_gr 22 March 2021 22: 21
                +2
                Quote: g1v2
                Belgorod is not just the lead ship of the new project. This is essentially the lead ship of a whole new class. That is, it will only be tested by itself for at least a couple of years, even without Poseidons and other drones.

                The Belgorod is a Project 949 A Antey boat (NATO Oscar-II) adapted for Poseidons. The hull has been extended to 184 meters, etc. She is not a headache.
                But "Khabarovsk" was built specifically as a carrier of the "Status-6" weapon system. This boat was laid down in 2014 (launching is planned this year). That is, at least since 2014, carriers and infrastructure for its maintenance have been created for this weapon.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 22 March 2021 16: 11
        +4
        Shoigu must personally answer and report to Voshniki. otherwise, he is a totalitarian usurper, the ayayi did not inform the respected ones on the VO website where the Poseidons will rest
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 22 March 2021 12: 30
      -2
      by the end of the year, all the necessary infrastructure for basing new generation submarines will be put into operation in Vilyuchinsk,

      The submarine should be launched this year, the exact date is still unknown.

      Everything goes according to plan !
      In favor of Kamchatka
      The entire west coast of the United States is under attack ... And southern neighbors on the islands!
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 22 March 2021 12: 38
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        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And southern neighbors on the islands!

        To use "Poseidons" for them will be a bit fat. You can easily get to them and from the mainland. Not overseas, tea, are.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 22 March 2021 13: 03
          -1
          Quote: Piramidon
          will be a bit fat.

          Poseidon's trident in a samurai ass is not even superfluous!
      2. A1845
        A1845 22 March 2021 13: 58
        -1
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        The entire west coast of the United States is under attack.

        It can be armed with a 2 megaton nuclear warhead.

        Are there other options for weapons?
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 22 March 2021 14: 06
          -2
          There is. The nuclear triad is called ...
      3. ironic
        ironic 22 March 2021 15: 24
        -7
        Well, yes, one boat and the whole coast. I suppose they will shoot from the pier and in the coast where the main units of the fleet will no longer be. Ie to crush people and nothing more.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 22 March 2021 19: 51
          +3
          Quote: ironic
          Ie to crush people and nothing more.

          Why "only people"? Not only.
          1. Vmb on the west coast, vmb on about. Guam, Diego Garcia, as well as on the Japanese islands (at the same time) - why are you not targets for the NPA !?
          2. Why do you forget about the "interception" of AVMA during the passage by sea and in areas of combat maneuvering? Or do you firmly believe that the heroes of the Pacific Fleet and the pilots of the Far Eastern Military District will do it alone without the help of "underwater robots" (NPA)?
          3. Considering that in the APR very soon there will be a smell of burnt and fried, the placement of the first buildings of the APRK SPN in Vilyuchinsk seems to be quite logical. And the question of their placement is decided not by the "admirals", but by the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces. Not without discussion with the "admirals", but all the same, such decisions are made in the interests of the big strategy of the Armed Forces and the geopolitics of the Russian Federation.
          IMHO.
          1. ironic
            ironic 22 March 2021 21: 16
            -4
            Is this where the fleet will no longer be in the event of a serious conflict?
            If the fate of how many heroes of submariners are not heroes of opponents under the same water, then it is like alone and with personal support practically from the moment of departure. It turns out that if you managed to get out of the impact of the first wave of ICBMs, you need to immediately start up everything that is possible, until they crash. And let that on what? Everything important that managed to go out to sea is no longer on the coast, but what remained on the coast has already been soaked by ICBMs. It remains to clean the little people. Intercept the AUG with mastodons roaring across the ocean at high speed, which will simply soak underwater nuclear charges without bothering with the creation of high-explosive depth torpedoes, when is it much easier to revive and adapt for the appropriate depth charges with the same heads as for the B-61, for serial production? And it is quite possible to keep within a half-ton weight with design experience, but it is. Is 50Kt not enough to inflict fatal damage? Of course that's enough.
            There is nothing but an attempt to create a lever of political pressure and, along the way, to master this project in a serious asset. The first did not work out. The second will undoubtedly turn out, but this project has earned negative points already at the very least. And this is provided that it will be successfully implemented at least in the form of two already known carriers. This is originlessness, not advancement. But the admirals of a potential enemy are simply happy with this turn of events. If I were Americans, every day I would write colorful stories about coastal cities with a population of over one million washed away by a radioactive tsunami, and put TV series about it on TV.
            1. A1845
              A1845 23 March 2021 09: 28
              +1
              Quote: ironic
              but this project has earned negative points already at the very least

              it is sad that all this further aggravates the situation with the SSBN cover, that's what it would be useful to focus on
              1. ironic
                ironic 24 March 2021 00: 42
                0
                This would be understandable to others and adequately perceived.
            2. bayard
              bayard 23 March 2021 12: 45
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              Quote: ironic
              ... If I were Americans, every day I would write colorful stories about coastal cities with a population of over one million washed away by a radioactive tsunami, and put TV series about it on TV.

              Why do we need this world?
              We don't need this world without us. request
              The whole continent in dust, and wash it down to basalt.
              And there will be Peace and beauty on the planet. fellow
              And really a very good topic for talk shows and TV series about the American Apocalypse. Fear is a very good motivator, go for it.
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 23 March 2021 14: 00
                -1
                Quote: bayard
                ... Fear is a very good motivator, go for it.


                There is always someone who sticks his fingers into the socket, despite a bunch of rules, requirements, instructions ... written by lives. But these were "other lives" ...
                1. bayard
                  bayard 23 March 2021 15: 22
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                  Quote: SovAr238A
                  There is always someone who sticks his fingers into the socket,

                  Do you propose to bend the whole world under those who stick their fingers in the socket in principle?
                  Such a smart guy has always been helped by GOOD SPORK.
                  And society is critically necessary - the isolation of such subjects from it.
                  Or shooting like mad dogs - in special cases.
                  This case is rather special than vice versa ...
                  therefore request "The whole continent to dust, and wash it off to basalt" bully - for the purpose of hygiene of mankind.
                  What else to do with a mad dog?
                  How do you advise?
                  Give a bone?
                  So she and the elephant carcass will not be enough - mad. request
                  These are just sanitary standards for the planet. yes
                  hi
              2. ironic
                ironic 24 March 2021 00: 40
                -1
                The world will remain even after the exchange of ICBM strikes, but if they cover a warhead with a Cobalt shell right on the base, or if it is blown up by a seawulf when leaving the base with a nuclear torpedo, then the Americans will not die from a terrible, long and painful death. Moreover, if it also explodes from some kind of accident in peacetime, in your territorial waters, fear will become your daily life, and relations with other countries will be spoiled by the half-life of those components that will create mad cobalt radiation. wink
      4. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 22 March 2021 17: 13
        +1
        Quote: Uncle Lee

        In favor of Kamchatka
        The entire west coast of the United States is under attack ... And southern neighbors on the islands!


        Vilyuchinsk is the most unprotected submarine and SSBN base in the world ...

        The most.
        Unprotected.
        Due to geography, geology, hydrology, etc.
        Khabarovsk's chances of going out to sea unnoticed and unaccompanied by 2-3 enemy nuclear submarines are equal to "near zero" ...
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 March 2021 21: 21
          -3
          This is a political and monetary project. That's just dangerous, and for the Russian Federation itself and not only.
        2. Ugochaves
          Ugochaves 23 March 2021 03: 45
          -1
          Khabarovsk has a chance to go out to sea

          I'm not going to sea with my city belay write about the boat, take it as you should and quotes
        3. bayard
          bayard 23 March 2021 12: 49
          -1
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Khabarovsk's chances of going out to sea unnoticed and unaccompanied by 2-3 enemy nuclear submarines are equal to "near zero" ...

          Why would he go out to sea?
          He stuck his muzzle out of the hole, and fired back from the pier.
          The burrow, by the way, is being completed, it will be spacious - enough for everyone.
          Well, new corvettes will guard the burrow itself. 20385 projects. And diesels.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 23 March 2021 13: 54
            -1
            Quote: bayard
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Khabarovsk's chances of going out to sea unnoticed and unaccompanied by 2-3 enemy nuclear submarines are equal to "near zero" ...

            Why would he go out to sea?
            He stuck his muzzle out of the hole, and fired back from the pier.
            The burrow, by the way, is being completed, it will be spacious - enough for everyone.
            Well, new corvettes will guard the burrow itself. 20385 projects. And diesels.


            In Soviet times, it was not particularly possible to guard ...

            Well, yes, as always "from the pier".
            repeat the same mantra as learned in all training manuals.

            Only they don't think about a couple of things.
            Namely
            First of all.
            About the launch schedule and the required presence of the crew at this moment and the passage of the launch command.

            Secondly.
            The fact that any naval base with SSBN, due to its coastal location, will be attacked by the enemy from a distance of no more than 2000 km, and the same Trident will fly along a flat trajectory and arrive in 5-6 minutes. During this time, the system for deciding on a retaliatory strike with all the current procedures for the command's passage along the "route", preparation for launch, etc. - won't work.
            She needs at least 10 minutes. And even 15 minutes.
            And therefore, everyone must understand that you can only hit "first" from the pier.
            But not counter-reciprocal.
            In principle, no one will give you a chance to reciprocate.
            That's it.

            Therefore, everyone must understand that Poseidon has chances only when the carrier is really on alert and that he does not have any of the enemies hanging on his tail ...
            1. bayard
              bayard 23 March 2021 15: 05
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              Quote: SovAr238A
              Well, yes, as always "from the pier".

              Different piers are needed
              Different piers are important ...
              In this case, "from the pier" is a figurative expression.
              Well Kamchatka has a mountain
              There is a deep Burrow in it
              From the sea that hole comes out
              Wet dock goes deep into
              In that very spacious Burrow
              There will be enough space for everyone who is worthy
              And from nuclear strikes
              Protect the granite vault ... bully
              Here.
              Quote: bayard
              He stuck his muzzle out of the hole, and fired back from the pier.

              And there is one on Kola, it is being completed.
              He did not disclose secrets - the sources are open.

              And to be carried around by such a fool with SUCH toys ... but for them the hunt will be worse than for SSBNs. I do not understand why carriers of such torpedoes?
              ... It would be better to revise the old Soviet film "The Mystery of Two Oceans".
              Everything is shown there - as it should.
              hi
    3. ksv36
      ksv36 22 March 2021 12: 32
      +3
      if no seat has been selected yet

      I think there is already a place and more than one. With everything you need. And the information is not for us, but for them. Let them not sleep at night and shake, wondering - WHERE?
      1. ironic
        ironic 22 March 2021 21: 19
        -4
        They do not shake, those who make serious decisions, and do not make waves in the internet, know that this is not a decisive weapon and will never become one.
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 23 March 2021 02: 43
          +1
          ironic (Sasha)
          Yesterday, 21: 19

          -2
          They do not shake, those who make serious decisions, and do not make waves in the internet, know that it is not a decisive weapon and never will be.
          Yes-ahh! authoritative)) laughing opinion! especially considering your aхpriority - Rating -142 410 laughing wassat tongue
          1. ironic
            ironic 24 March 2021 00: 34
            -2
            Well, yes, this is an indicator of how many people like you, gold-diggers, with an intelligence level below the Mariana Trench, graze here. fool
        2. bayard
          bayard 23 March 2021 13: 04
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          Quote: ironic
          They don't shake

          Shaking, Sasha. Those who make decisions are well aware of what two waves from the East and West are when they meet in the middle of the continent.
          And no moaning about poor blacks and African Americans who will drown. All the horror will be only on merit.
          You don't think they really have 2 Mt each?
          And here are six such torpedoes, 100 Mt each. from each side, and - hello new wonderful world.
          And this will be their free, honest choice. bully
          1. ironic
            ironic 24 March 2021 01: 50
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            They know for sure that there will be no waves, because 2Mt is ridiculous for waves. And they also know that 2Mt is the same block as that of the Vanguard, because there is no other yet at all. And while two boats have been sunk, one has been lowered, and not a single one has been adopted. And it will take a decade to build the right, if there is enough money, and by that time they will have 38 virgins, and three wolves, and even if you look, a dozen moose will remain from the latter, and the next so-called one will be on the way. an improved virgin and a dozen of the last from block 6. They will not waste time creating super solutions, they will adopt nuclear mines and torpedoes, taking as a basis a 50Kt B-61-12 charge, simplifying it to one power, in order to save money, and even A Poseidon P-8 will be put on every leviathan the size of a small submarine roaring across the ocean, a personal P-8. I don't think, I read that the charge is mentioned the same as on Vanguard. And 100Mt, this is such a scarecrow that no longer frightened anyone, and this is clearly visible from the perplexing articles in the west and from typical articles in the spirit of money give, similar to the same in the Dagger, Vanguard and Poseidon, everything is exactly the same, which means in reality everyone on this project is monopenisual in terms of its strategic danger and it is clear why, because it does not change anything in the confrontation of nuclear weapons from the word at all, but the danger in peacetime creates both political and emergency real, this is in addition to the image of a terrorist dirty bomb. wink
            1. Xscorpion
              Xscorpion 25 March 2021 10: 21
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              Quote: ironic
              They know for sure that there will be no waves, because 2Mt is ridiculous for waves. And they also know that 2Mt is the same block as that of the Vanguard, because there is no other yet at all. And while two boats have been sunk, one has been lowered, and not a single one has been adopted. And it will take a decade to build the right, if there is enough money, and by that time they will have 38 virgins, and three wolves, and even if you look, a dozen moose will remain from the latter, and the next so-called one will be on the way. an improved virgin and a dozen of the last from block 6. They will not waste time creating super solutions, they will adopt nuclear mines and torpedoes, taking as a basis a 50Kt B-61-12 charge, simplifying it to one power, in order to save money, and even A Poseidon P-8 will be put on every leviathan the size of a small submarine roaring across the ocean, a personal P-8. I don't think, I read that the charge is mentioned the same as on Vanguard. And 100Mt, this is such a scarecrow that no longer frightened anyone, and this is clearly visible from the perplexing articles in the west and from typical articles in the spirit of money give, similar to the same in the Dagger, Vanguard and Poseidon, everything is exactly the same, which means in reality everyone on this project is monopenisual in terms of its strategic danger and it is clear why, because it does not change anything in the confrontation of nuclear weapons from the word at all, but the danger in peacetime creates both political and emergency real, this is in addition to the image of a terrorist dirty bomb. wink

              2 MT is nonsense? The most powerful underwater nuclear explosion was in 30kt, Operation Wigwam, USA. After that, it was urgently necessary to impose a ban on underwater nuclear tests, since they are too dangerous and the consequences are felt hundreds and thousands of kilometers from the explosion site, even for relatively small nuclear The most powerful underwater explosion in the USSR was 16 kt, and mainly devices with a capacity of 3-4 kt were tested. And 2000 kt of course it is, seeds.
              1. ironic
                ironic 25 March 2021 20: 29
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                I did not write that this is nonsense, or that there are seeds, but that there will be no superwaves and that the reasoning about superwaves from 2Mt is ridiculous. And what is wrong? It's like that. There will be more harm from the cobalt filler than from the warhead itself, although it will end up causing a lot of destruction. But where? Where will no one be (from the Navy / Navy) and / or where everything will already be destroyed?
                1. Xscorpion
                  Xscorpion 29 March 2021 12: 28
                  -1
                  Quote: ironic
                  I did not write that this is nonsense, or that there are seeds, but that there will be no superwaves and that the reasoning about superwaves from 2Mt is ridiculous. And what is wrong? It's like that. There will be more harm from the cobalt filler than from the warhead itself, although it will end up causing a lot of destruction. But where? Where will no one be (from the Navy / Navy) and / or where everything will already be destroyed?

                  Waves do not depend on the power of the explosion, they depend on the depth at which the explosion occurred, or rather, at what distance from the epicenter of the explosion the bottom is located, since it is necessary for the energy to be reflected from the seabed, and even 500 mt in the middle of the ocean a few kilometers from the seabed is not will give such an effect that will give 50-100 kt at a depth of 100 m off the coast of the United States. All tsunamis are formed at the bottom of the oceans, and the shallower the ocean in this place, the more destructive the tsunami.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 30 March 2021 11: 05
                    -1
                    At 100m from the coast from 100Kt, there will not be any destructive wave at all, it's like slapping a brick into a basin. Tsunamis do form at the bottom of the oceans, but depend on the degree of plate shearing i.e. in fact, it is equivalent to the power of an explosion that forms a wave, and such waves travel for many kilometers and hit the coast with tremendous speed and height (which increases as they approach the coast), regardless of the distance traveled, and in the ocean they can be almost invisible. Therefore, there will be no tsunami from 2Mt. Not enough for a serious wave to form.
    4. Stepan S
      Stepan S 22 March 2021 12: 33
      +2
      Any existing base has the appropriate infrastructure, communications, living conditions, the boat is not sent into the open field. The bases have existed for several decades.
    5. Clear
      Clear 22 March 2021 12: 35
      +6
      The Poseidon strategic submarine is designed to engage a variety of targets, including carrier groups and coastal fortifications. The apparatus is equipped with a nuclear power plant. It is capable of diving to a depth of over 1 km and has an unlimited range. It can be armed with a 2 megaton nuclear warhead.

      In short, "NATЕ With love from Russia!" love
      1. ironic
        ironic 22 March 2021 15: 21
        -9
        Lish would not have worked with love for Cobalt for himself and for everyone.
        1. kot423
          kot423 22 March 2021 19: 08
          +2
          Quote: ironic
          Lish would not have worked with love for Cobalt for himself and for everyone.

          What's the problem? Albeit with cobalt, it is a weapon of retaliation, as is the perimeter. Or do you comfort yourself with the hope of making a nuclear "blitzkrieg", and then eating pineapples on the beach? Mattresses have long needed to understand that there is such a bird - oblomingo ...
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 22 March 2021 20: 05
            +3
            Quote: kot423
            What's the problem? ... this is a weapon of retaliation: ... there is such a bird - oblomingo ...
            You are right: if you do not take this into account, then it may well turn out ---
            1. kot423
              kot423 22 March 2021 20: 52
              0
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              if you do not take this into account, then it may well turn out ---

              I don't think it will be so critical (taking into account the distance, wind rose, etc.). But with a full Armageddian, making the mattress an unsuitable desert for the next 50-100 thousand years is a significant reason for the sane (and, importantly, without a chance to dump mattresses into a bunker on a lost island, like the elite), to drive mattresses with rags to the same elite (provoking a quick arrival armagedts) already now.
              1. ironic
                ironic 24 March 2021 02: 05
                0
                You repeat this stupid nonsense, not realizing that if it is intercepted by a nuclear torpedo or a depth charge in your territorial waters, what will happen to you? And if not even in the territorial, what will happen to the whole world if a couple of these are intercepted somewhere in the middle of a large ocean current. There will be no paradise and no one will die quickly. There will be hell in the body of this world during life, terrible, slow and painful, including on the territory of the Russian Federation.

                PS Who are you? Here, personally, you let the knacker drool without realizing that it is for you and for your blouse.
          2. ironic
            ironic 24 March 2021 01: 59
            0
            A dirty bomb in the worldview of most states is a terrorist's weapon. This is so by the way about the image. The perimeter is a means of a guaranteed retaliatory strike, and Poseidon is an expensive scarecrow that has no effect on nuclear parity and only worsens the platform for treaties on it, but gives nothing in terms of God forbid a full-scale nuclear conflict, for all the means that it can destroy, have already been or destroyed or out of her reach, when she swims in a week to America, if she swims, which is doubtful. But if Gd forbid the accident with her in their native territorial waters, then the white faces that the officials had during the Losharik accident will be pink and calm, compared to what will begin then.
    6. 113262a
      113262a 22 March 2021 12: 46
      +1
      Now the Ministry of Defense is building everything quickly! The one that will have time for deployment.
    7. Galleon
      Galleon 22 March 2021 13: 09
      +5
      What problems, the first time, or what? For example, our ship was based near Sovgavan, and loaded with missile and artillery. we went to Primorye with ammunition. Mad dog 1000 km is not a hook.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 22 March 2021 13: 33
        +2
        The Ministry of Defense is considering the issue of placing the first carrier of nuclear "Poseidons"
        Seriously ? site ... you're degrading. or "my own people in defense"? kapets stuffing ... so then, it's like a "secret". no ??? Is the FSB all on vacation?
  2. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 22 March 2021 12: 40
    0
    And if the bay is in ice in winter, how can they quickly leave the basing area, and that's all.
    1. jonht
      jonht 22 March 2021 12: 59
      +4
      For this we have 2 icebreakers, "Ivan Susanin" and "Sadko". In addition, ice-class vessels constantly enter the bay, allowing them to break the ice of the thickness that freezes up in our country (up to 0,7 M). And for the boats themselves, this is not a cretal ice cover. hi it
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 22 March 2021 13: 03
        +1
        They reassured me, I saw how nuclear submarines were launched on the Kola Peninsula at any time of the year. hi
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 22 March 2021 17: 21
        -3
        Quote: jonht
        For this we have 2 icebreakers, "Ivan Susanin" and "Sadko". In addition, ice-class vessels constantly enter the bay, allowing them to break the ice of the thickness that freezes up in our country (up to 0,7 M). And for the boats themselves, this is not a cretal ice cover. hi it

        The exit (preparation for the exit) of the icebreakers on the territory of the naval base of the SSBN - we say to the foe in plain text - run all to us, we will soon go to sea ... ...

        That's what icebreakers are!
        The factor that completely discredits the very essence of SSBNs is stealth ...

        For this location of the SSBN base - they shot earlier ...

        And now they boast of it ...
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 22 March 2021 20: 13
          +4
          Quote: SovAr238A
          That's what icebreakers are!

          Al, you're wrong!
          Icebreakers daily chipped off the ice at the mooring places of the units so that at any time you can "wash off" (even on their own! Without ice escort behind the icebreaker or ice class NK).
          Moreover, this is done regularly, even by base and harbor tugs, if the ice is not very dense ...
        2. D16
          D16 22 March 2021 21: 14
          0
          The exit (preparation for the exit) of the icebreakers on the territory of the naval base of the SSBN - we say in plain text to the foe - all run to us, we will soon go to sea for service ...

          And if you clean the water area regularly, and not just before the submarine leaves the base? lol
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 23 March 2021 09: 43
            -1
            Quote: D16
            The exit (preparation for the exit) of the icebreakers on the territory of the naval base of the SSBN - we say in plain text to the foe - all run to us, we will soon go to sea for service ...

            And if you clean the water area regularly, and not just before the submarine leaves the base? lol


            Now remember the real life of the Soviet and Russian reality.

            Nobody will do what is not needed "here and now".
            Set off to spend excess diesel fuel / fuel oil / and not only for the icebreaker.
            For the icebreaker to go - you need several hundred people, dozens of service cars - to strain ...
            1. D16
              D16 23 March 2021 13: 15
              -1
              During the threatened period, no one will save diesel fuel. Don't compose. And what will the virgin moose do if new Warsaw women come out instead of SSBNs? They can lie down and wait for guests. smile
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 23 March 2021 13: 59
                0
                Quote: D16
                During the threatened period, no one will save diesel fuel. Don't compose. And what will the virgin moose do if new Warsaw women come out instead of SSBNs? They can lie down and wait for guests. smile


                To drown the women of Warsaw ...
                Or did you also believe that Varshavyanka is really a "black hole"?
                What kind of wunderwaffe is it?

                Is this a threatened period?
                With the likes of Trump or Biden?
                With their complete abstraction from realities in one case and an old woman's insanity in another case.

                The trouble is that complete surprise is needed for a disarming nuclear strike.
                Otherwise, it will not be sudden and disarming.

                Accordingly, no one will shout for a month "I'm going to you" ...

                And the only option for a truly safe use is the constant presence of SSBNs and Poseidan carriers - on alert. Those. in the sea.
                Always.
                That the KOH was at least 0,5
                1. D16
                  D16 23 March 2021 22: 32
                  0
                  To drown the women of Warsaw ...
                  Or did you also believe that Varshavyanka is really a "black hole"?
                  What kind of wunderwaffe is it?

                  Oh how! On what basis do you plan to look for them in an ambush and how to drown them? RBU? So they are not on the submarine lol ... Both surface ships of PLO and stationary means can work as sonars. Let me remind you that the nuclear-powered ship cannot lie down on the ground and wait for the target. And even if it is absolutely silent, which is problematic in principle, it is impossible to completely extinguish the signal from sonars from different directions.
                  Is this a threatened period?

                  Not. There are no signs of a threatened period now.
                  With the likes of Trump or Biden?

                  Yes, with whatever. Preparing for the outbreak of hostilities is a troublesome and easy task. And what the old man read there on a teleprompter speaks only of the mental development of the person who wrote it.
                  The trouble is that complete surprise is needed for a disarming nuclear strike.
                  Otherwise, it will not be sudden and disarming.

                  Neither they nor we have the means for this now. And they are unlikely to appear. Satellites and ZGRLS are on guard. smile
                  Accordingly, no one will shout for a month "I'm going to you" ...

                  Going to war without completing deployments and leaving troops and navy in bases? This is a rather sophisticated method of suicide in a counter strike back, without which there is no way to do it.
  3. Pavel57
    Pavel57 22 March 2021 13: 01
    0
    So far, the stability of such weapons does not look convincing. Like missile carriers, infrastructure is needed. Going to sea is also fraught with the fact that it will be tracked by enemy boats and aircraft.
    The only thing is, Poseidon's launch can be from anywhere in the ocean. Though from the southern seas.
  4. dgonni
    dgonni 22 March 2021 13: 06
    .
    And who will provide them with deployment in those conditions then?
    The Soviet hydrographic service was certainly the best in the world.
    But those days are over.
    Given the place of the future basing, it says that it should still be at its best.
    P.S. A kilometer under water? He laughed. Komsomolets EMNIP overcame this level, but both the staff and the crew received a non-acidic dose of adrenaline. And they did not go to the projected depth.
    This is from the former staff on the boat.
    It's scary. Especially if you were at the factory where it was built.
    So a kilometer under water, this is so for the plebes.
    Well, when you go out to hit the coast or the AUG, you still need to go up to the surface.
    Who tested Poseidon at such depths? Well, the vigorous power plant raises wild questions when not working in normal mode.
    Although the system for silencing reactors on the submarine of the USSR was worked out. But no one canceled the presence of a controller in the form of a change in the warhead-5.
    By the way, they were the most sane. I am for the bull and his subordinates.
    Hello to the rocketeers!
    1. kot423
      kot423 22 March 2021 13: 50
      +6
      Quote: dgonni
      P.S. A kilometer under water? Laughed

      Have you laughed? Well done, now smoke materiel in terms of how a submarine with a crew differs from a drone.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 22 March 2021 22: 31
        0
        I can see her approximately. And in such a small form, it becomes really scary for me.
        It is either yes or no. But before yes before no!
        1. kot423
          kot423 22 March 2021 22: 45
          0
          Quote: dgonni
          I can see her approximately. And in such a small form, it becomes really scary for me.
          It is either yes or no. But before yes before no!

          Mayor Klitschko-style answer?
          What for! laughing
          Py-Sy. Or is it you, Vitaly Vladimirovich? A point is not a bench press on an enemy site to unsubscribe? So you can add to the "Peacemaker" and lustration in the trash.
    2. D16
      D16 22 March 2021 21: 04
      +2
      Quote: dgonni
      A kilometer under water? He laughed. Komsomolets EMNIP overcame this level, but both the staff and the crew received a non-acidic dose of adrenaline.

      There is no crew in Poseidon, no one to be afraid. laughing
      So a kilometer under water, this is so for the plebes.

      Why do you think so? Recently, a Russian automatic deep-sea vehicle was submerged in the Mariana Trench.
      Well, the vigorous power plant raises wild questions when not working in normal mode.

      Read about the transport energy module. There, too, the presence of a replacement warhead-5 is not provided. laughing
  5. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 22 March 2021 13: 52
    +4
    This is some kind of stuffing, well, who in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation will comment on the placement of these nuclear submarines, especially in the context of increased secrecy measures in our country
  6. sergo1914
    sergo1914 22 March 2021 16: 38
    -1
    ... Poseidon strategic underwater drone ... Can be armed with a 2 megaton nuclear warhead.


    Just two megatons. It could have been made manned.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 22 March 2021 17: 22
      0
      Quote: sergo1914


      Just two megatons. It could have been made manned.


      Whom to take as pilots?
      Marshalov and Generals from this site?
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 22 March 2021 17: 33
        0
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Quote: sergo1914


        Just two megatons. It could have been made manned.


        Whom to take as pilots?
        Marshalov and Generals from this site?


        I think there would be those willing. If it comes to that, the best seats on the show.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 22 March 2021 20: 45
          0
          Quote: sergo1914
          I think there would be those willing. If it comes to this

          Sergey! What kind of suicidal tendencies do you have !?

          Kamikaze and people-torpedoes are in the Japanese Imperial Navy ... We have more and more Marineski and Fisanovichi with the Hajiyevs - not by number, but by skill !!! They will complete the task!
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 23 March 2021 09: 53
            -1
            Quote: BoA KAA
            They will complete the task!

            The picture of an air strike and its affected area should not be compared with the real affected areas of an underwater strike.

            All these zones of "flash of light" - disappear as a class.
  7. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 22 March 2021 17: 57
    0
    I hope that they will have time to put everything into operation.
  8. xorek
    xorek 22 March 2021 19: 44
    -3
    The Ministry of Defense is considering the placement of the first full-time carrier of Poseidon submarine drones

    And the non-staff, where are they on duty?
  9. yfast
    yfast 22 March 2021 19: 53
    0
    And if they hang right into the sea? And one is not enough, a hundred is needed, Biden will become impudent.
  10. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 22 March 2021 19: 57
    +1
    The Russian Navy is considering Vilyuchinsk in Kamchatka as one of the main options for deploying the Poseidon carrier for the Khabarovsk nuclear submarine, which will become part of the Pacific Fleet. Several factors speak in favor of Kamchatka: by the end of the year, all the necessary infrastructure for basing new generation submarines will be put into operation in Vilyuchinsk, as well as the sea depths in this region allow submarines to conduct covert deployment.

    Uh-huh ... especially good in favor of Kamchatka is the complete absence of OVR at the base (not counting as combat-ready MPK ships built during the USSR and the same TSC), and the presence of the only SSNS in the entire Pacific Fleet, which should simultaneously cover SSBNs, SSGNs and the carrier "Poseidon".
    However, I was wrong about the TSC - now there is already one new 12700 at the Pacific Fleet. With an anti-mine complex that is a generation behind.
  11. Viktor Afanasev
    Viktor Afanasev 22 March 2021 20: 26
    0
    To be honest, this whole project is incomprehensible.
    It is clear only that much is classified recourse
    How effective is it, and is it real ???
    SSBNs can shoot without coming close to the territorial waters of the enemy, but at what distance, really, should POSEIDON be fired? Given the powerful anti-submarine defense of the United States, is the game worth the candle? recourse
    And is there a need for a boat of a new, "unfinished" project to be remodeled for a carrier? Can easier and better two standing in a sludge and one planned for withdrawal 941h to define them. At the same time, there would not fit 2 Poseidons, but 4re or even 6t ??? good
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  13. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 23 March 2021 02: 21
    -2
    What a technique! What kind of brains you need to have to create it.
  14. Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 23 March 2021 12: 49
    0
    For the life of me I don't understand If this Poseidon has an unlimited power reserve, etc., isn't it easier to start it right from the pier? The boat will make noise, it will find out, on honey ages And so from the pier or some kind of barge to adapt Less attention
  15. nnz226
    nnz226 23 March 2021 18: 37
    0
    Yeah, as always: a new submarine is preparing for delivery to the Navy, and the latter is deciding the issue of its basing infrastructure! And when they ordered the boat to be built, didn't they think about it ?!