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"Could be near the island of Crete and monitor the US Navy aircraft carrier": some details of the "loss" of the Russian Navy submarine by NATO ships are presented

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The European press publishes some details about how NATO warships for several days tried to locate the Russian diesel-electric submarine (diesel-electric submarine) "Rostov-on-Don". The fact that NATO members "lost" the Russian submarine, "Voennoye Obozreniye" reported in one of the news materials this week.


It became known that several ships from different states that are part of the North Atlantic military bloc were involved in attempts to find a Russian submarine in the Mediterranean Sea. In particular, ships of the Greek, French and Italian naval forces were involved in the operation.

The reports say that "a signal that may have come from a Russian submarine" was tracked in the area of ​​the Greek island of Crete. " At the same time, it was stated that the signal was recorded by one of the ships of the French Navy, which was at that time in the area of ​​the territorial waters of Greece.

Attempts to trace the "lost" submarine Rostov-on-Don were reportedly made by one of the frigates of the Italian Navy. We are talking about the frigate Luigi Rizzo, which used electronic and radar capabilities, but was ultimately unsuccessful.

Greek media reports say that initially “the Russian submarine was tracked by the US Navy's P-8A Poseidon anti-submarine aircraft. According to some reports, it was in the Gibraltar area. However, then the “traces” of the submarine were “lost”.

Concern in NATO was caused by the fact that "there was probably a logistical failure, as a result of which warships in the Mediterranean did not receive timely information about the need to control the route of the Russian submarine."

It is added that the NATO anti-submarine forces had problems with tracking the diesel-electric submarines of the Russian Navy against the background of the American strike aircraft carrier group headed by the aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower ("Dwight Eisenhower") in the area of ​​the Greek maritime borders. Thus, it is emphasized that the Russian submarine "Rostov-on-Don" in the Crete region could be in close proximity to the US Navy aircraft carrier and monitor the American AUG.
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  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 21 March 2021 18: 00
    +13
    The European press publishes some details about how NATO warships for several days tried to locate the Russian diesel-electric submarine (diesel-electric submarine) "Rostov-on-Don".
    В black hole failed!
    But!
    Temporarily!
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 21 March 2021 18: 13
      +9
      Quote: Victor_B
      I fell into a black hole!

      So she herself is so inconspicuous. Well, looked ... what do you feel sorry for? The torpedo salvo wasn’t commanded, did you? Exhale ...
      1. ironic
        ironic 21 March 2021 22: 27
        .
        Could it have fired a torpedo salvo in neutral waters like this?
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 21 March 2021 22: 50
          +17
          Quote: ironic
          Could it have fired a torpedo salvo in neutral waters like this?

          In an emergency, why not! ?
          1. ironic
            ironic 22 March 2021 12: 37
            .
            Those. such a peaceful time, there is an emergency on the submarine, she bang someone with a torpedo? Who else knows about this state of the Black Sea Fleet?
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 22 March 2021 14: 12
              +6
              Quote: ironic
              emergency

              Don't pretend to be naive! Time H is on all fleets and armies of the world. War time.
              1. ironic
                ironic 22 March 2021 15: 11
                .
                And where did it come from this time of war?
                1. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 22 March 2021 20: 21
                  +7
                  Quote: ironic
                  And where did it come from this time of war?

                  Don't disappoint me in your mental abilities. bully
                  1. ironic
                    ironic 22 March 2021 20: 36
                    -6
                    Well, yes, mental ability is the desire to burn. How can I care about them. crying
                    1. Xnumx vis
                      Xnumx vis 23 March 2021 07: 33
                      -1
                      There is absolutely no desire for war and death of people! Russia is not Ukraine .. Ukraine, with the capabilities of the Russian Federation, would have long ago carried out the bombing of Russia. Proof of this, the actions of Ukraine, in relation to the inhabitants of the LPR and DPR, as well as Sevastopol and Crimea ..
                      1. ironic
                        ironic 24 March 2021 00: 47
                        -2
                        So you propose to zhahnut torpedo, in some kind of emergency, in neutral waters on ships of another state.
                        I have not heard anything about the attack on Sevastopol and the Crimea of ​​Ukraine, to which it de jure should have belonged, although de facto is now part of Russia.
                      2. Xnumx vis
                        Xnumx vis 24 March 2021 07: 34
                        -3
                        Quote: ironic
                        I am something did not hear anything about the attack on Sevastopol and Crimea of ​​Ukraine, to which he de jure generally should have belonged, although de facto is now part of Russia.

                        De jure, Sevastopol was not transferred to the Ukrainian SSR. ... It was a city of Union subordination. Subordinated directly to Moscow. Crimea was also tied to the entire USSR. And about the attack on the inhabitants of Sevastopol and Crimea, Ukraine .. I can tell you that the railway, aviation, food, financial blockade can be regarded as a war against the inhabitants of Sevastopol-Crimea. And it is a crime to cut off the power supply to the peninsula in winter. People in the steppe Crimea were left without warmth in the frost, children were killed on the roads in the cities, walking in the dark from school (There was no lighting at all either in the city or on the roads.!) And the water blockade from Ukraine is not a good gesture will. All these actions are called the war against the civilian population of the republics of Crimea and Sevastopol. So ... I want to get nasty ... But I won't. !
                      3. Aag
                        Aag 24 March 2021 15: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        Quote: ironic
                        I am something did not hear anything about the attack on Sevastopol and Crimea of ​​Ukraine, to which he de jure generally should have belonged, although de facto is now part of Russia.

                        De jure, Sevastopol was not transferred to the Ukrainian SSR. ... It was a city of Union subordination. Subordinated directly to Moscow. Crimea was also tied to the entire USSR. And about the attack on the inhabitants of Sevastopol and Crimea, Ukraine .. I can tell you that the railway, aviation, food, financial blockade can be regarded as a war against the inhabitants of Sevastopol-Crimea. And it is a crime to cut off the power supply to the peninsula in winter. People in the steppe Crimea were left without warmth in the frost, children were killed on the roads in the cities, walking in the dark from school (There was no lighting at all either in the city or on the roads.!) And the water blockade from Ukraine is not a good gesture will. All these actions are called the war against the civilian population of the republics of Crimea and Sevastopol. So ... I want to get nasty ... But I won't. !

                        Quote: 30 vis
                        Quote: ironic
                        I am something did not hear anything about the attack on Sevastopol and Crimea of ​​Ukraine, to which he de jure generally should have belonged, although de facto is now part of Russia.

                        De jure, Sevastopol was not transferred to the Ukrainian SSR. ... It was a city of Union subordination. Subordinated directly to Moscow. Crimea was also tied to the entire USSR. And about the attack on the inhabitants of Sevastopol and Crimea, Ukraine .. I can tell you that the railway, aviation, food, financial blockade can be regarded as a war against the inhabitants of Sevastopol-Crimea. And it is a crime to cut off the power supply to the peninsula in winter. People in the steppe Crimea were left without warmth in the frost, children were killed on the roads in the cities, walking in the dark from school (There was no lighting at all either in the city or on the roads.!) And the water blockade from Ukraine is not a good gesture will. All these actions are called the war against the civilian population of the republics of Crimea and Sevastopol. So ... I want to get nasty ... But I won't. !

                        Dear, 30vis! Agree, you yourself transferred the discussion to another plane. Now you answer, you have to answer questions that are not related to the topic of discussion ...
                        I can only explain this by the fact that your opponent (according to my observations) has already become famous for a number of provocative posts.
                        On the other hand, in fairness, - judge for yourself, - the man asked the question: "Could it have fired a torpedo salvo in neutral waters like this?" Nick, previous comments. IMHO, of course ...) Apparently, a special case.
                        On the other hand, I am always puzzled by the situation when a person is asked a minus for a question (not provocative, cognitive)! It happens here on the site quite often ... It is depressing ... Because there are ALWAYS people who know more than you ( i), on a specific topic (or, thinking so ...)
                        But, as they say, it's not a shame not to know, it's a shame not to know and not to ask!
                        But the questions, unfortunately, sometimes, are minus ... It's not about the minuses, - it's not important (although, I confess, it's not pleasant) we didn't experience that, - and we will survive, - all the problems would have such a meaning ...) ) ...
                        In general, I have already contacted the community with this topic, apparently, we need to contact the administrators ...
                        Also, you see, there is a difference when under your comment there is a score of -1, + 1; and -100, + 100? And the final figure is 0 ...
                        Best regards to all site members! hi
                      4. Xnumx vis
                        Xnumx vis 24 March 2021 22: 39
                        0
                        I tried to understand you. A comrade with provocative questions tried to make our fleet too aggressive .. So, in passing, leading questions ..
                        ironic (Sasha)
                        22 March 2021 12: 37


                        Those. such a peaceful time, there is an emergency on the submarine, she bang someone with a torpedo? Who else knows about this state of the Black Sea Fleet?
                        [quote] [/ quote] I understand if a person is stupid, or does not understand the events, or the essence of the matter, but there is a latent provocation .. Yes, and then slowly transferred our butting to my, as it were, excuses, answers .. I answered because I think the truth must be conveyed even to a clearly hostile opponent .. Although this is a thankless task. As for the pros, cons .. The reaction to your thoughts is always interesting ... + or - does not matter.
                      5. Aag
                        Aag 24 March 2021 23: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: 30 vis
                        I tried to understand you. A comrade with provocative questions tried to make our fleet too aggressive .. So, in passing, leading questions ..
                        ironic (Sasha)
                        22 March 2021 12: 37


                        Those. such a peaceful time, there is an emergency on the submarine, she bang someone with a torpedo? Who else knows about this state of the Black Sea Fleet?
                        I understand if a person is stupid, or does not understand the events, or the essence of the matter, but there is a latent provocation .. Yes, and then slowly transferred our butting to my, as it were, excuses, answers .. I answered because I think the truth must be conveyed even to clearly hostile to a tuned opponent .. Even though it's a thankless job. As for the pros, cons .. The reaction to your thoughts is always interesting ... + or - does not matter.

                        "... as I think it is necessary to convey the truth even to a clearly hostile opponent .. Even though it is a thankless business. As for the pros, cons .. The reaction to your thoughts is always interesting ... + or - it doesn't matter ..."
                        In this I absolutely agree with you!
                        On other topics, I am ready to discuss, argue (but not now, not today, in two hours to work ...) hi
                      6. Xnumx vis
                        Xnumx vis 24 March 2021 23: 57
                        0
                        Quote: AAG
                        In this I absolutely agree with you!
                        On other topics, I am ready to discuss, argue (but not now, not today, in two hours to work ...)

                        drinks
                      7. ironic
                        ironic 25 March 2021 21: 01
                        0
                        But he can't. As you can not prove my obvious hostility. You simply postulate what is convenient for you, without bothering to explain why you should believe in it.
                      8. Xnumx vis
                        Xnumx vis 26 March 2021 08: 27
                        -1
                        Quote: ironic
                        But he can't. As you can not prove my obvious hostility. You simply postulate what is convenient for you, without bothering to explain why you should believe in it.

                        I am not going to prove what is obvious.
                      9. ironic
                        ironic 30 March 2021 11: 27
                        0
                        Obvious glitches? It's clinical.
                2. ironic
                  ironic 25 March 2021 20: 58
                  0
                  This is a comrade who wrote about the possibility of launching a torpedo, not me. And you slander me. That in itself is still an aggression, but in relation to me. I am hostile towards users who want the confrontation to turn into hostilities, and you want to translate the writing of posts into hostilities against me, for uncomfortable questions for you.
                3. Xnumx vis
                  Xnumx vis 26 March 2021 08: 30
                  0
                  Quote: ironic
                  and you want to translate the writing of posts into hostilities against me, for uncomfortable questions for you.

                  You got me with your obstinacy .. You blame everyone for everything, and at this time you quietly shit. It was about the time (God forbid !!) of the onset of hostilities .. Time H ... Don't pretend to be a tree.
                4. ironic
                  ironic 30 March 2021 11: 25
                  0
                  Here yourself a tree and do not pretend to be the first and do not be crap, it will not be and, accordingly, according to the third law. The actual state of the boat and the AUG is peacetime, neutral waters. And whoever launched the post with the phrase, they say, let them say thank you for not launching the torpedo, you yourself will find it.
          2. ironic
            ironic 25 March 2021 20: 55
            0
            I always ask questions only in the spirit of the posts to which I am writing the answer. If the post is provocative, this will be the question. So you characterized me incorrectly. Users on VO are glorified with provocative posts, under which the same questions are inevitable. Including mine, as in the service with the question of the boat and the possibility of a torpedo salvo.
          3. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis April 19 2021 10: 46
            0
            Quote: AAG
            Also, you see, there is a difference when under your comment there is a score of -1, + 1; and -100, + 100? And the final figure is 0 ...
            Best regards to all site members!

            Yes, you are right ... Interesting fact. Gave a couple of comments .. Put a bunch of pluses .. I went to my page after a couple of hours ... It seems like there are no minuses ... And the pluses are the same .. And the rating (minuses, pluses) dropped by twenty - thirty units .. I watched this phenomenon for two or three weeks ... So you are right ... hi
        2. ironic
          ironic 25 March 2021 20: 53
          0
          This does not correspond to the status under international documents and the fact that the military bases in Crimea were leased for which money was paid to Ukraine. The rest was after the Crimea was de facto in the hands of the Russian Federation without ensuring such a state of compliance with international treaties de jure. And what you want to get nasty is your face.
        3. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 26 March 2021 08: 33
          0
          Quote: ironic
          And what you want to get nasty is your face.

          This is an indicator of irritation from communicating with a svidopernom wassat giant wassat ... Who you are .. Thank God, the people of Sevastopol and Russia, you are no longer in Crimea and will never be ...
        4. ironic
          ironic 30 March 2021 11: 21
          0
          I don’t care about any personal ukrobathertas, I don’t have Ukrainian citizenship and don’t live in Ukraine. wink I look at the situation from the outside and it would be better to solve it de jure. Better for everyone.
  3. Ilya Nikitich
    Ilya Nikitich 24 March 2021 17: 28
    +2
    Why are you so excited at the mention of ukruiny?
  • Jager
    Jager 22 March 2021 17: 50
    +4
    What if an American aircraft carrier decides to attack Greece, who knows what is on the captain's mind. And here is our submarine soldier
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 17: 53
      -9
      Who are these thoughts running through your head? At your place or at the captain's?
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 March 2021 23: 04
    +20
    Quote: ironic
    Could it have fired a torpedo salvo in neutral waters like this?

    It is necessary to understand jokes ... serious panic arose there. They led, led the boat (apparently, she was "glowing") and suddenly disappeared ... Not a week ... A reason to wonder if everything is as good as you thought ...
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 12: 38
      .
      Maybe she just fell behind, not disappeared. Her speed is not si-wolf there.
      1. Maks winter
        Maks winter 22 March 2021 22: 00
        +8
        YOU on the way here (on VO) come as a specialist for cons?) Is a masochist, however ... wassat
        1. ironic
          ironic 22 March 2021 22: 24
          -7
          I almost don't care about them. They even help me to understand some of the processes taking place in Runet, so almost.
    2. Mikle2000
      Mikle2000 22 March 2021 13: 40
      -2
      A reason for the Russian Navy to ponder, if a single "we do not see it" over the years is an emergency for NATO forces.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 March 2021 18: 16
    +36
    I reveal the secret, so to speak, "I am burning the hut" lol she followed the P8 Poseidno plane and flew, joining its tail, and constantly beeping lol , but for some reason they were looking for her in the water wassat
    1. ironic
      ironic 22 March 2021 12: 39
      .
      This is a real quality crap. I want one too! good
      1. lukewarm
        lukewarm 23 March 2021 15: 11
        0
        Don’t be overpriced. Your crap is no worse. You are not alone, Sasha, Ironic ironic
        1. ironic
          ironic 24 March 2021 00: 32
          -1
          Oh no, worse than that, for sure. This is not irony, this is nonsense of a similar power, I have met little in my life.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 21 March 2021 18: 22
    +13
    "You were deceived - this is the more valuable fur-Shanghai leopard .."

    secretly back in 78, Metrostroy dug a tunnel under Gibraltar for the secret passage of submarines bypassing NATO control. and "RostovDon" is already aiming at the Statue of Liberty near N. York.
    save the symbol of democracy and unity in Europe and America.
    all AUGs must be urgently withdrawn to protect the east coast of the United States.
  • sniperino
    sniperino 21 March 2021 19: 05
    +5
    Quote: Victor_B
    I fell into a black hole!
    But!
    Temporarily!
    A time machine is installed on the diesel-electric submarine, with the help of which it arranges all "logistic failures" and does not fall into the hole at all.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 21 March 2021 20: 38
      +8
      Quote: sniperino
      Quote: Victor_B
      I fell into a black hole!
      But!
      Temporarily!
      A time machine is installed on the diesel-electric submarine, with the help of which it arranges all "logistic failures" and does not fall into the hole at all.

      They probably still think that the aphorism - "a submarine in the steppes of Ukraine" - it was such a joke, but it just happened. Drowned at night on dry land, like on the sea - now look for her, fistulas. what
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 22 March 2021 13: 38
        0
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Drowned at night on dry land, like on the sea
        From the Greeks to the Varangians.
  • Maz
    Maz 21 March 2021 19: 07
    +23

    We celebrated the day of the submariner. NATO with allies in the ass.
    By the decree of the President of the Russian Federation, Vice-Admiral Vladimir Vladimirovich Grishechkin, Chief of Staff of the Northern Fleet, was appointed to the vacant military position of the Chief of the Main Directorate of Deep-Sea Research of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

    Dear Comrade Vice Admiral, success in service in a new field for him, and all Russian heroic submariners who celebrated their professional holiday on March 19, best wishes and success in your difficult, but so necessary for the country business!
  • Well done
    Well done 21 March 2021 18: 01
    +15
    The guys do their job for 100%.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 22 March 2021 06: 12
      -1
      "Where are we going with Piglet - the big SECRET!"
      "Where the king goes - the big SECRET!"
      "Such a secret for a small, for such a small company, such a huge SECRET!" lol
      1. Andrey Korotkov
        Andrey Korotkov 23 March 2021 09: 03
        +2
        If I am not mistaken, there is a deep-water military port in Crete, the only one in the Mediterranean for aircraft carriers, apparently our submarine is somewhere nearby.
    2. Aag
      Aag 24 March 2021 15: 30
      +1
      Quote: Welldone
      The guys do their job for 100%.

      I suspect, they are getting rid of it. But, IMHO, this should be (again) the NORMAL!
      Individual cases (planned, unsuccessful) will always be ...
      1. Well done
        Well done 24 March 2021 16: 12
        0
        The sofa "experts" are "minus" here)
        1. Aag
          Aag 24 March 2021 19: 33
          +2
          Quote: Welldone
          The sofa "experts" are "minus" here)

          Honestly, me too, mostly from the couch. I have no time at work, and the connection leaves much to be desired ...
          It seems that you did not want to say about that ... Different categories of people are present on this site ... IMHO: even, regardless of whether he served or did not serve, an urgent contract soldier, a regular officer, a "jacket" - it is worth paying attention, showing respect. (Rudeness, outright trolling, I confess, I "punish" myself to the best of my ability.). But, you must agree, sometimes it is worth explaining, chewing, and you already have not an opponent, but, if not an ally, then at least a sympathetic one ...
          Not agitation for the sake of .. hi
          It's just more pleasant to be in society, even if not like-minded people, so at least hearing, adequate, elementary polite ... More chances to get to the bottom of the truth .. 'I think so ... "(c) Mktrychan," Mimino "...
        2. Aag
          Aag 24 March 2021 20: 53
          +1
          Quote: Welldone
          The sofa "experts" are "minus" here)

          To the following ... I hope I finished my service long ago (in 99). Commander of the GPP (preparation and launch group) of the Topol ICBM ... God knows what merit, (according to the OVU-battalion ...) .But, I have my own vision of the situation. On a number of issues I am ready to discuss, argue ... However, I am a sinner, there are a number of issues, those with which ... you cannot move me! At least, for now ... hi
  • Maz
    Maz 21 March 2021 18: 07
    +17
    Our shooter has ripened everywhere! Well done submariners, we celebrated the Day of Swimming on March 19 in full! At the same time, a new head of the GUGI was appointed! Respect to Russian Sailors!
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 21 March 2021 18: 10
    +4
    I can not understand.
    Do we have an emergency on board the submarine, or are we discussing that the enemy cannot detect our submarine?
    The enemy shouldn't be detecting our boats. It is for this that our industry is building them.
    What exactly is the problem?
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 21 March 2021 18: 41
      +9
      Quote: Benzorez
      The enemy shouldn't be detecting our boats. It is for this that our industry is building them.
      What exactly is the problem?

      I totally agree. If the boat was under the constant control of the enemy, then, accordingly, we can assume that it is conditionally destroyed, which means the crew did not cope with the combat mission.
      I don’t understand why they poured so many mendels to you? request
      1. Sevastiec
        Sevastiec 21 March 2021 19: 21
        +20
        Recently, on the VO, a lot of articles have been published - I must admit - sufficiently convincingly proving that our fleet cannot oppose anything to the NATO fleets from the word at all, incl. and submarines. And then such a surprise.
        1. Titus_2
          Titus_2 21 March 2021 21: 17
          -3
          So I'm waiting for someone to write in essence what was there ... our media loses confidence and subconsciously expect that not everything is so rosy, maybe competent people will enlighten, take off their pink glasses.
      2. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 21 March 2021 19: 28
        +6
        "I totally agree. If the boat was under constant enemy control, then, accordingly, we can assume that it is conditionally destroyed, which means the crew did not cope with the combat mission."
        Perfectly in the "hole". The detection of a submarine is equal to its destruction.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 21 March 2021 19: 40
          +21
          Quote: Benzorez
          The detection of a submarine is equal to its destruction.

          Colleague, judging by the cons, not all members of the forum understand this laughing drinks
      3. WIKI
        WIKI 21 March 2021 21: 54
        +4
        Quote: Stroporez
        I don’t understand why they poured so many mendels to you?

        I don’t understand at all what has actually been discussed for two days. What kind of foreign source? If we take as the primary source some kind of sparse private Israeli site, which could potentially earn about $ 4 a day from advertising income, then this is not serious.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 21 March 2021 22: 07
          +12
          Quote: WIKI
          I don’t understand at all what has actually been discussed for two days. What kind of foreign source? If we take as the primary source some kind of sparse private Israeli site, which could potentially earn about $ 4 a day from advertising income, then this is not serious.

          Colleague, what about the content of the site? The boat went on a combat mission with all that it implies, but many members of the forum are waiting for news from it, well, like, live with a bunkerman, the captain reports: gaspadin prjazident, passed Gibraltar, I am heading like this, torpedo tubes "tovs".
          Maybe the evening M. will tell them something, they carefully analyze his muppet show. wassat
          1. WIKI
            WIKI 21 March 2021 22: 11
            -1
            Quote: Stroporez
            many forum users are waiting

            It seems that they are just waiting to hyip on patriotism.
          2. Aag
            Aag 24 March 2021 18: 26
            0
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: WIKI
            I don’t understand at all what has actually been discussed for two days. What kind of foreign source? If we take as the primary source some kind of sparse private Israeli site, which could potentially earn about $ 4 a day from advertising income, then this is not serious.

            Colleague, what about the content of the site? The boat went on a combat mission with all that it implies, but many members of the forum are waiting for news from it, well, like, live with a bunkerman, the captain reports: gaspadin prjazident, passed Gibraltar, I am heading like this, torpedo tubes "tovs".
            Maybe the evening M. will tell them something, they carefully analyze his muppet show. wassat

            For all my pluses, minuses, the answer from the site, -You have already put an assessment ... It works inadequately.After the winds- (Irkuiskaya obl.) And-no
            not everywhere, cellular failure ... It is not always possible to access the site from a smartphone ..
            And I wanted to say this ... The abundance of disadvantages is striking for those who at least allowed themselves to doubt the success of operations, actions, "innovations" in the Ministry of Defense covered on the site! Who are these people? They are not named, do not argue their opinion ... Increase your importance ? (then it is to psychologists, psychiatrists, in a neglected case).
            ... Regarding the article, "news" .. I would like, of course, that the real state of affairs in the Navy, PF, positively differs from the prevailing opinion of people familiar with the specifics ... the purpose of calming, inspiring (for what?) the public. I would be ready to believe in a number of them ... But, there are areas that I know not by hearsay. And they, alas, are far from the proclaimed ... I think there will be quite a few members of the forum with similar feelings, convictions ... Alas ... Not everything is so smooth "in the Kingdom of Danish" ...
            Well done guys from "Rostov on Don"! hi If, as they suppose, everything was so! (Agree, everything could be
            otherwise ...) And, excuse me, this is not a feat, it is PLANNED, combat work. So it SHOULD be! Exceptions, mistakes, -permissible, -subject to analysis, action, -well, if we really want parity!
            ... About parity. Not special, but: (the sequence may vary):
            1) Economic independence (independence). At least, to have the opportunity to produce from our raw materials, on the available equipment (not to say, domestic, it is already unpleasant) everything that the population needs in conditions of complete isolation (and everything goes to this) , I'm not talking about war (God forbid, but people are military for this purpose and to study, to be supported, at the expense of other citizens (!), if anyone has forgotten to limit the thoughts of the foe, it is better to exclude).
            2) The military, defense component ... - we run into point number one, not directly, but very strongly connected (see point 3).
            Sorry, again, IMHO ... Perhaps, no one will dispute that in a number of topics (people close to them understand this problem more acutely) that orders
            MO (you can argue here too), may differ greatly from those offered by Defense). Well, that's how they put it (defense industry) in such conditions! Market! Competition...
            IMHO: these two words tear our society (conditionally into two camps), - give rise to internal feuds ... ("minimodel" described above). It seems that all this is due to the rejection of ideology in the internal policy of the state ... Let me explain: there is a declared course - there will be supporters, opponents ...
            3) I don’t even know, maybe it should be attributed to paragraph 1. Refusal to voice the top officials of the state from ideology ... In essence, its prohibition, ideology (word, reason)! Doesn't it scare you?
            I apologize for the distraction from the topic ...
            If the submarine SMOG accomplishes the task (in the current conditions of the situation,) - honor, and praise! Without irony. But, excuse me, without deferambs, - so it should be !!!
    2. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 22 March 2021 05: 49
      +3
      The problem is that a submarine left the "escorts", so it was all controlled by foreign ships and suddenly disappeared. In general, there are no problems, I just remember the literary readings about the fact that all submarines are in full view of NATO and the impossibility of approaching the AUG.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 March 2021 18: 13
    +1
    Maybe we will wait for the return of submarine Rostov-on-Don to the base, and there they themselves will tell about their exploits.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter 21 March 2021 18: 23
      +14
      And who will tell what ?!
      Each exit to the sea of ​​a warship is a combat one. Especially of this class. Especially on the database.
      In principle, no one has the right to tell you anything.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 March 2021 18: 29
        0
        If everything is successful, then the photos show and tell what great fellows they are. In 95 g, the nuclear submarine by Labrodor passed and entered the operational space. And the AUG photographed. Too many "friends" are now in the Black Sea and the AUG is grazing near Greece.
        1. Petrol cutter
          Petrol cutter 21 March 2021 18: 34
          +11
          It is high time to end this mess.
          Where do our boats go, why do they go there / do not go there ...
          This is not a topic for general discussion.
          I think so! hi
        2. Aag
          Aag 24 March 2021 21: 07
          +2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          If everything is successful, then the photos show and tell what great fellows they are. In 95 g, the nuclear submarine by Labrodor passed and entered the operational space. And the AUG photographed. Too many "friends" are now in the Black Sea and the AUG is grazing near Greece.

          You seem to be an adult "uncle" ... More than once crossed paths on this site.
          ... Best regards, really! hi But, sometimes, you are so ... naive (provocative)! ...
          In the best times, even the civilian fleet of the Union was a topic more closed for the "potential enemy" than the Russian Navy is for "partners" now.
          It seems that you will not argue on the contrary - you will find examples from your personal experience ... hi
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 21 March 2021 18: 43
        +12
        Quote: Benzorez
        And who will tell what ?!
        Each exit to the sea of ​​a warship is a combat one. Especially of this class. Especially on the database.

        She has autonomy for 45 days, respectively, after 2-3 weeks she should appear somewhere.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 21 March 2021 18: 36
      +8
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Maybe we will wait for the return of submarine Rostov-on-Don to the base, and there they themselves will tell about their exploits.

      They will not tell. Such infa will be under the stamp for another 20 years, it is the basis for analysis by NATO specialists, so for now these are only rumors and speculation by the media
      1. Petrol cutter
        Petrol cutter 21 March 2021 18: 51
        +3
        Here. The comrade understands. hi
    3. Doliva63
      Doliva63 21 March 2021 18: 55
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Maybe we will wait for the return of submarine Rostov-on-Don to the base, and there they themselves will tell about their exploits.

      This has happened before (I mean better times), but somehow they were in no hurry with stories. Although, for the sake of raising the patriotic spirit, the newly created Glavpur may tell wassat
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 21 March 2021 19: 42
        +11
        Quote: Doliva63
        Although, for the sake of raising the patriotic spirit, the newly created Glavpur may tell

        Quite, but most likely, they will declare a successfully completed assignment. yes
        1. Doliva63
          Doliva63 21 March 2021 19: 54
          +1
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: Doliva63
          Although, for the sake of raising the patriotic spirit, the newly created Glavpur may tell

          Quite, but most likely, they will declare a successfully completed assignment. yes

          And this is how to present it - you can dryly and sparingly, like in a combat log, or you can paint the successes of everything and everyone (well, of course, without details, but with fanfare). Come on. We overslept our boat, and it's good.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter 21 March 2021 20: 03
            +13
            Quote: Doliva63
            but it is possible with coloring the success of everything and everyone (well, of course, without details, but with fanfare).

            Well, not without this, you can tear the accordion for a month, now it is so fashionable to strengthen the braces.
            Quote: Doliva63
            Come on. We overslept our boat, and it's good.

            I agree! We overslept and this is the main thing, it is possible that this is potentially minus one aircraft carrier wink drinks
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 21 March 2021 20: 07
              +2
              Quote: Stroporez
              Quote: Doliva63
              but it is possible with coloring the success of everything and everyone (well, of course, without details, but with fanfare).

              Well, not without this, you can tear the accordion for a month, now it is so fashionable to strengthen the braces.
              Quote: Doliva63
              Come on. We overslept our boat, and it's good.

              I agree! We overslept and this is the main thing, it is possible that this is potentially minus one aircraft carrier wink drinks

              ... minus one aircraft carrier. So, I cross it out. laughing
              1. hydrox
                hydrox 21 March 2021 20: 36
                +2
                There are a lot of communication cables in the Crete region, so there is something to listen to, and there will be hunters to cut it for pleasure ...
                After all, not caught, then free!
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 21 March 2021 21: 14
                +12
                Quote: Doliva63
                ... minus one aircraft carrier. So, I cross it out.

                And it's not over yet! wassat drinks
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 22 March 2021 16: 03
                  0
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  ... minus one aircraft carrier. So, I cross it out.

                  And it's not over yet! wassat drinks

                  Buddy hi I understand that sarcasm, but you need to know when to stop! laughing drinks And yes, I don't minus mine soldier
          2. georg 2
            georg 2 23 March 2021 19: 23
            +3
            Come on. We overslept our boat, and it's good.

            Nobody slept through anything. The tracking technology is as follows. Our submarines from the north go to Mediterranean across the Atlantic on the surface. In front of Gibraltar they are led by BPA planes. We were led by the Orions, now, probably, by the Poseidons. The plane flies over the boat for 8 hours, then transfers it to another plane, and that flies for 8 hours, etc. 24 hours a day. The boat enters Mediterranean and further according to the plan. If you plunged, then everything, tryndets, this is where the whole tracking ends. "So, they have no methods against Kostya Saprykin." And all sorts of tales of local experts about the detection of our submarines by all sorts of buoys, magnetometers, spectral portraits, backlights and other nonsense and tracking them, this is from ignorance of the subject. We could be detected only when we were not hiding and approached the floating base for replenishment of food and water. And that's all. And our modern submarines are even less noisy. They are practically undetectable.
            1. Doliva63
              Doliva63 24 March 2021 14: 35
              0
              Quote: georg 2
              Come on. We overslept our boat, and it's good.

              Nobody slept through anything. The tracking technology is as follows. Our submarines from the north go to Mediterranean across the Atlantic on the surface. In front of Gibraltar they are led by BPA planes. We were led by the Orions, now, probably, by the Poseidons. The plane flies over the boat for 8 hours, then transfers it to another plane, and that flies for 8 hours, etc. 24 hours a day. The boat enters Mediterranean and further according to the plan. If you plunged, then everything, tryndets, this is where the whole tracking ends. "So, they have no methods against Kostya Saprykin." And all sorts of tales of local experts about the detection of our submarines by all sorts of buoys, magnetometers, spectral portraits, backlights and other nonsense and tracking them, this is from ignorance of the subject. We could be detected only when we were not hiding and approached the floating base for replenishment of food and water. And that's all. And our modern submarines are even less noisy. They are practically undetectable.

              Thanks I'll know hi
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 21 March 2021 18: 20
    -1
    The question is, what if there were more than two boats? And, all five submarines had the same call sign? Would rush to the Mediterranean Sea to bail out? ?? wassat
    1. Zhan
      Zhan 21 March 2021 19: 30
      +2
      Quote: Thrifty
      The question is, what if there were more than two boats? And, all five submarines had the same call sign? Would rush to the Mediterranean Sea to bail out? ?? wassat


      So as far as it was reported, it seems that all six Vashavyanka of the Black Sea Fleet are now on duty. Let them scoop, and we watch, smile and wave the handle .. smile
  • svp67
    svp67 21 March 2021 18: 29
    +2
    And know ours ... Let them now go and look around ...
  • Escobar
    Escobar 21 March 2021 18: 31
    -5
    After a couple of days, the batteries will run out, and will pop up on its own to recharge.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 21 March 2021 20: 41
      0
      So, after all, it will not surface on the fairway, but somewhere in a secluded place, under the side of a supply ship, or even a floating dock. yes
      1. Escobar
        Escobar 21 March 2021 20: 50
        -3
        In real combat conditions, you / the enemy's navy will be sent to the bottom of the floating dock
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 21 March 2021 18: 35
    0
    She hid, deceived everyone - great. Professionally. good
    But the boat has arrived in Tartus today, or not?
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 21 March 2021 19: 08
      +7
      Quote: voyaka uh
      arrived in Tartus or not?

      What is the interest based on? wink
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 March 2021 22: 57
        0
        So Israeli ships also took part in her search close
        Israeli territorial waters. A useful workout. Not found.
        So I wonder where the boat lay down?
        1. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 21 March 2021 23: 38
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Israeli ships also took part in the search for her near

          Have the striped ones been plowed or on an initiative basis?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 21 March 2021 23: 55
            +2
            Israel does not track Russian submarines in neutral waters.
            I believe they called from Poseidon and asked for help.
            1. Paranoid50
              Paranoid50 22 March 2021 00: 12
              +2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              I believe they called from Poseidon and asked for help.

              The staff members said "IT IS NECESSARY!" And the IDF answered "THERE IS!" laughing
        2. Ugochaves
          Ugochaves 22 March 2021 09: 45
          0
          Have you tried to search on the beach, among the sunbathers? laughing
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty 21 March 2021 19: 21
      -3
      Submarine warrior pretended to be a whale and jumped right onto the deck of a us aircraft carrier lol , the Yankees try to feed her - hamburgers belay ! Where have you seen the "whale" eating hamburgers? ??? belay wassat
  • rocket757
    rocket757 21 March 2021 18: 38
    +2
    Someone loses, someone finds ...
    Just an episode, this is their "job".
  • Niko
    Niko 21 March 2021 18: 48
    -9
    Quote: Benzorez
    I can not understand.
    Do we have an emergency on board the submarine, or are we discussing that the enemy cannot detect our submarine?
    The enemy shouldn't be detecting our boats. It is for this that our industry is building them.
    What exactly is the problem?

    The problem of the "enemy" is that he LOST the boat, but he could not find it. There is a significant difference, and not in our favor. For the "enemy" it has become commonplace to keep constant contact with all our boats, and the temporary loss of contact - ch.n .And for our boats, a rare good fortune in which it is eyelids to come off ... unfortunately
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 21 March 2021 19: 10
      +2
      Quote: Niko
      And for our boats, it is a rare good fortune to come off the eyelids ... unfortunately

      Is it for the Greek?
    2. georg 2
      georg 2 23 March 2021 19: 33
      0
      The problem of the "enemy" is that he LOST the boat, but he could not find it. There is a significant difference, and not in our favor. For the "enemy" it has become commonplace to keep constant contact with all our boats, and the temporary loss of contact - ch.n .And for our boats, a rare good fortune in which it is eyelids to come off ... unfortunately

      Dear, you are not in the subject at all, judging by this post. Where are such conclusions from? Completed combat missions on submarines?
      1. Niko
        Niko 23 March 2021 23: 42
        0
        No, but I read on this site not only news, but also articles on the topic. This is what I wrote a well-known fact about, as well as a huge number of other problems with the Russian submarine fleet (and the disadvantages of the "patriots" who still believe that we are the best in everything they do not bother me much, sleep on)
        1. georg 2
          georg 2 24 March 2021 00: 04
          0
          I will give advice, use it. In the 70s and 80s, the 4th Special Forces of the Northern Fleet consisted of 4 DPL brigades and one brigade was always on the BS, in particular, in Mediterranean. And the BS then lasted 240 days on average. Study this topic from the recollections of submariners, those who directly participated in such events. Maybe then something will clear up in your head. And patriotism has nothing to do with it. Pure professionalism. Build your views based on information from those who know about detection, who have dealt with these issues professionally. It is one thing to write about navy and trends in general, and quite another to write about specific, highly specialized issues related to detection and classification.
  • Aleks2000
    Aleks2000 21 March 2021 18: 50
    -2
    This is all bullshit. PLs are needed to hide.

    Another thing worries. Since the media and others are so sucking on a single case (and the last one was like a year or two ago), then it turns out that the rest of the time all our submarines are under a tight hood and do not cause any fears.

    If something happens, you won't have to look for them, they will exchange and that's it ...
    1. Niko
      Niko 21 March 2021 19: 15
      -5
      Quote: Alex2000
      This is all bullshit. PLs are needed to hide.

      Another thing worries. Since the media and others are so sucking on a single case (and the last one was like a year or two ago), then it turns out that the rest of the time all our submarines are under a tight hood and do not cause any fears.

      If something happens, you won't have to look for them, they will exchange and that's it ...

      It is unfortunately
    2. PROXOR
      PROXOR 21 March 2021 21: 53
      +3
      Yeah. The Scandinavians were looking for them. They were looking so that the frigate was ditched.
  • Professor
    Professor 21 March 2021 20: 18
    0
    Are NATO chiefs of staff and their allies providing information to the media about the details of their operational activities? lol It seems that there are still a couple of weeks until April 1st. request
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 21 March 2021 20: 57
      +1
      Professor - "any whim for your money" - which of them does not want a certain amount to "settle" into his pocket? yes So, business and position are quite compatible things. negative
      1. Professor
        Professor 22 March 2021 08: 47
        +3
        Quote: Thrifty
        Professor - "any whim for your money" - which of them does not want a certain amount to "settle" into his pocket? yes So, business and position are quite compatible things. negative

        Tell about the pension provision for bourgeois officers? You are welcome:
        http://pentagonus.ru/publ/pensionnoe_obespechenie_voennosluzhashhikh_ssha_2012/8-1-0-2323
        Now tell us what amount should "settle" in his pocket so that he would refuse his pension? Do you think little rags will pay the same amount? wink
  • Popandos
    Popandos 21 March 2021 21: 00
    +3
    I would not really trust such articles. It is unlikely that the naval command of the sounded countries will report to the press, any information on the issue of detecting a potential enemy submarine is classified information. Rather, on the contrary, it is better to merge misinformation into the media in order to complicate the analysis when analyzing the results of the campaign.
    1. Angry
      Angry 22 March 2021 11: 56
      0
      Most likely it is. Nobody lost it, but “lost” it in the media. And they began to tell stories about the lost boat. The truth can only be hidden by untruth. And on the sly, they lead her. The autonomy of the underwater course is not great, the snorkel still needs to be used, the batteries must be recharged, and the crew also needs to breathe with something, this is not a nuclear submarine. And the snorkel (in our opinion, the work of a diesel engine under water), THEY found them on the ancient "Atlantic-2" 40 miles away ... And everything that concerns the submarine of any country, it is marked "SS". May God grant the guys to get to Tartus and "rest" there is normal. Good luck to them!
  • 123456789
    123456789 21 March 2021 21: 32
    +1

    Tired submarine
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 21 March 2021 21: 52
    +3
    A week ago, I read a cool "analyst" here on the site and he told us that the NATO PLO forces will pay off for Varshavyanka as soon as it floats up to charge the batteries. And now a week has passed and the analyst is silent. Rostov-on-Don disappeared for NATO ASW forces like a black hole.
  • ironic
    ironic 21 March 2021 22: 31
    -3
    And will she have enough speed to accompany her at a reckless speed?
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 21 March 2021 23: 48
    0
    and where are Andrey from Chelyabinsk and Timokhin who claimed that all the boats are visible at a glance? ... and this is in the shallow and small Mediterranean ... what can I say about the ocean ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 22 March 2021 01: 01
      +2
      All their articles about NATO ASW are exaggerated, to put it mildly.
    2. georg 2
      georg 2 23 March 2021 19: 47
      +1
      and where are Andrey from Chelyabinsk and Timokhin who claimed that all the boats are visible at a glance? ... and this is in the shallow and small Mediterranean ... what can I say about the ocean ...

      They are not in the subject in these matters. They think they are in the subject, but they are not.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 22 March 2021 02: 48
    -1
    Well, yes, the gentlemen from NATa, what exactly ... For there is no air defense system at the floating airfield, and it is unlikely to withstand 18 "Calibers", the order will knock something down, but a couple will obviously fly into the upper deck and in the area of ​​the power plant. Which automatically means the expansion of the Strait of Gibraltar by another five kilometers at least.
  • iouris
    iouris 22 March 2021 12: 47
    0
    "Highley like" boat was not found. Or maybe found.
  • _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 22 March 2021 12: 58
    +1
    for them, losing our submarine is an emergency, and in principle we cannot track their submarines, firstly there are too many of them, and secondly, there is nothing special, and okay, they track the DEPL, so they lead all strategists from the exit from the base, which means what will sink them first
  • nznz
    nznz 22 March 2021 17: 54
    0
    I wonder if the submarine has modern electronic warfare equipment ..
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 22 March 2021 18: 18
    0
    Quote: Professor
    Are NATO chiefs of staff and their allies providing information to the media about the details of their operational activities? lol It seems that there are still a couple of weeks until April 1st. request

    And this is their typical activity. Only until now, their information, supplied unofficially in the media, beat that they always see all Russian boats, and now it's the other way around. When misinformation hit and when the truth cannot be told.
  • Niko
    Niko 24 March 2021 00: 36
    0
    Quote: georg 2
    I will give advice, use it. In the 70s and 80s, the 4th Special Forces of the Northern Fleet consisted of 4 DPL brigades and one brigade was always on the BS, in particular, in Mediterranean. And the BS then lasted 240 days on average. Study this topic from the recollections of submariners, those who directly participated in such events. Maybe then something will clear up in your head. And patriotism has nothing to do with it. Pure professionalism. Build your views based on information from those who know about detection, who have dealt with these issues professionally. It is one thing to write about navy and trends in general, and quite another to write about specific, highly specialized issues related to detection and classification.

    I understand you, thank you for your calm answer, it is always nice to read the opinion of a normal person, even if it does not coincide with mine. However, it is on this topic that I read quite a lot (even on VO there was a series of articles last or the year before last devoted to this topic. I am not deny that there are successful operations or professionals who, despite the technical lag, achieved positive results in the past or now, but this does not change the general state of affairs (and the noise raised due to the loss of the contract in this case only confirms my conclusions