Latvian Defense Ministry: Latvian men were forced to do military service and fight in the tsarist army

The press service of the Latvian Ministry of Defense informs about the commemorative ceremony, which took place in the town of Cesis. It is reported that we are talking about a ceremony of laying flowers and wreaths in the Turkish cemetery of this city.

From the message of the Latvian military department:

Defense Minister Artis Pabriks and Turkish Ambassador to Latvia Gulsun Erkul laid flowers at the Turkish cemetery, where 25 soldiers who became victims of the Russian-Turkish war are buried.

The message says that official Riga also reminds of "the Latvian land affected by that war."

From the statement of the press service of the Ministry:

The war between the Russian and Ottoman empires in the XNUMXth century also affected Latvian families. Latvian men were forced to do military service and fight in the tsarist army.

The military department noted that they continue to preserve the memory of the participation of Latvians in the Russian-Turkish war and to maintain the preservation of the memorial at the Turkish cemetery in Cesis.

In this regard, the question arises to the Latvian authorities: why, in this case, they do not preserve the memory of the Great Patriotic War and are not engaged in maintaining the preservation of the memorials erected in memory of the heroism of Soviet soldiers (including Latvians) who liberated Latvia from Nazism? ..

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[lucul]

The message says that official Riga also reminds of "the Latvian land affected by that war."

Zhemoyty completely beguiled the coast)))

[Uncle lee]

25 soldiers who became victims during the Russian-Turkish war.

I wonder what the Turks were doing in Latvia?

[Nasrat]

What Wikipedia tells us:

Latvian Riflemen (Latvian. Latviešu strēlnieki) - personnel of rifle units in the army of the Russian Empire, formed in 1915 during the First World War from the inhabitants of Livland, Courland and Vitebsk provinces... In 1916, they were deployed to the Latvian Rifle Division. Up to 40 thousand people served in eight Latvian rifle regiments [1]. The command language is Latvian. The literacy rate among the shooters was 98%. After the October Revolution, during the Civil War in Russia, most of the Latvian regiments supported the Bolsheviks and on April 13, 1918, the Latvian Rifle Division was formed from them, which became the first division of the Red Army. Latvian riflemen were the largest national military formation in service in the Red Army. They were used as an extremely efficient force on the side of the Bolsheviks. Their total number was about 80 thousand people. Regiments of Latvian riflemen were widely used along the entire front of the Civil War. They were an elite formation both in the Russian Empire and on the side of the Bolsheviks.

Parts of the Latvian riflemen were distinguished by iron discipline, were used to suppress anti-Bolshevik uprisings in a number of cities (Yaroslavl, Murom, Rybinsk, Kaluga, Medyn [2], Saratov, Novgorod, etc.) [3]. They also took part in the Finnish Civil War [4]. Many of the commanders of the Latvian riflemen later, after the disbandment of the units, were able to achieve large leadership positions. So, the first Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the Republic (RKKA) was Joachim Ioakimovich Vatsetis, and the first head of the GULAG was the former Latvian shooter F.I. Latvian riflemen also began to occupy significant positions in the Red Army.

[Mikhalych 70]

I served with Latvians. 88-90, military unit 3359. I understood why Ulyanov had bodyguards from Latvian riflemen. Serious guys. Of the 40 recruited as foremen, 17 people left for demobilization. The rest, at least sergeants.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Mikhalych 70

Of the 40 recruited as foremen, 17 people left for demobilization. The rest, at least sergeants.

and what positions did the foremen and sergeants occupy ??, if there is one foreman per company (battery)?)) +/- 3-5 sergeants

[Mikhalych 70]

Castles, squad leaders

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Mikhalych 70

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Castles, squad leaders

17 elders who were ??)), castles senior sergeant or sergeant, command department. ml sergeant .... and how many are there in the unit ??))

[Mikhalych 70]

petty officers of the ZKV, junior sergeant ko after training, the next rank either on time, or for "the successful completion of the assigned task." I have a friend, a guy from Pushkin, three times he managed to lose his stripes and put them on again. I went to discharge as a sergeant.

[Tiksi-3]

Quote: Mikhalych 70

foremen of the ZKV

17 platoons in your unit ??
a lot for a company, not enough for a battalion

[Mikhalych 70]

Regiment. And if only they knew how many full-time chiefs of the guard were!)))

[Mikhalych 70]

I think the readers of the topic are not interested in the staffing of the BB regiment in one particular city. If you have any questions, I am ready to answer them in a personal message.

[seregatara1969]

There is almost no private position in the technical troops

[Mikhalych 70]

Soryan did not immediately understand the question. Output ... The company has three or four platoons. There are three or four squads in a platoon. The battalion has three companies. Two battalions of Chekists, plus an autorot, plus all kinds of dandruff from tailors and grain cutters, plus a cargo escort company. Autonomous. company commander major. And every second or third sergeant. You yourself understand

[seregatara1969]

Sometimes in a battalion and 4 companies

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: Tiksi-3

Quote: Mikhalych 70

Of the 40 recruited as foremen, 17 people left for demobilization. The rest, at least sergeants.

and what positions did the foremen and sergeants occupy ??, if there is one foreman per company (battery)?)) +/- 3-5 sergeants

Himself a naval ... According to the DMB, the commander of the ship gave titles - he was a sailor - you are the senior ... There was the second article, the first ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Mikhalych 70

I served with Latvians. 88-90, military unit 3359. I understood why Ulyanov had bodyguards from Latvian riflemen. Serious guys. Of the 40 recruited as foremen, 17 people left for demobilization. The rest, at least sergeants.

And I served with the Balts. Our postman was from the Baltic states. He stole my boots and sent them home with a parcel. So shty, they are different, these "serious" guys.

[mister-red]

And I served with the Balts. Our postman was from the Baltic states. He stole my boots and sent them home with a parcel. So shty, they are different, these "serious" guys.

He served in the MP. In the training, they talked about a Latvian who did not want to jump, he opened his parachute on the plane. He flew 2-3 times as a passenger, then they spat and fell behind him.
Not a Latvian shooter, however ...

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: mister-red

In the training, they talked about a Latvian who did not want to jump, he opened his parachute on the plane. He flew 2-3 times as a passenger, then they spat and fell behind him.Not a Latvian shooter, however...

However, this is a Sly Latvian shooter!

[Tatyana]

From the statement of the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Latvia:

The war between the Russian and Ottoman empires in the XNUMXth century also affected Latvian families. Latvian men were forced to do military service and fight in the tsarist army.

And why did the Latvian Defense Ministry suddenly have such a strange sycophantic REPENTANCE before the modern Turkey of Erdogan for the War between the Russian and Ottoman empires in the XNUMXth century?

[mitroha]

The war between the Russian and Ottoman empires in the XNUMXth century also affected Latvian families. Latvian men were forced to do military service and fight in the tsarist army.

Fuck ... Just like Smolensk, Saratov and Tula.
What makes you different, the brakes are Baltic, or don't you give yourself bread to give yourself to someone?

[Nyrobsky]

Colleague Uncle Lee (Vladimir) asks about something else

Quote from Uncle Lee

I wonder what the Turks were doing in Latvia?

And you give him a certificate about the Latvian riflemen.

[Ros 56]

And where did they and their descendants go if during the Second World War they served in the SS and now there is almost complete Russophobia?

[tatra]

Just as the "white" field of the capture of Russia by the "red" did not disappear, so the "red" after the seizure of the USSR by the "white" also did not go anywhere. And we must also thank Putin for the fact that he is not such a totalitarian as Yeltsin, and the enemies of the communists who have seized the national republics of the USSR, and allows the "red" to speak out.

[tatra]

Latvians, like ALL people on the territory of the USSR, all 103 years after the October Revolution are divided into "red" and "white", including the fact that "red" Latvians in the Great Patriotic War were for Soviet power, and "white" Latvians were for the Nazis, and killed peaceful Soviet people.
Units of the Latvian Legion were directly involved in the "Winter Magic" operation, carried out from February 15 to early April 1943 and better known as the Osveisk tragedy. In total, several hundred villages were destroyed, including those where there were up to a thousand or more inhabitants. Only in Osveisky district alone, 183 villages were burned, 11383 people were shot and burned (2118 of them were children under the age of 12), 14175 residents were taken to work - adults to Germany, children to Salaspils concentration camp Justice of the Federal Republic of Germany qualified the operation "Winter magic" as a crime against humanity. "

[Yuri Gulov]

If it were not for Sarkanais the Latvian strelnieks, they would have broken grandfather Lenin's neck during the "Kronstadt mutiny". There is evidence. As soon as Dzerzhinsky left the Cheka building, everyone easily switched to the Latvian valoda (Latvian language). Let me note that Latvians entered the higher military educational institutions of the Union (RKIIGA, RVVPKU, Alksnis, sailor) on a preferential basis.

[Eldorado]

We are talking about the participation of Latvians not in WWI, but in one of the Russian-Turkish wars of the 1877th century. Obviously, in the war of 1878-XNUMX.

[apro]

Quote: Nasr

Parts of Latvian riflemen

I did not understand what kind of attack you made ??? these are Russian parts. Are not Russian. Bolshevik hirelings. Faithful Leninists ???

[tihonmarine]

Quote from Uncle Lee

I wonder what the Turks were doing in Latvia?

Prisoners of war taken by the Russian army.

[VyacheSeymour]

Turks appeared in Latvia as a result of the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-78 as prisoners of war ... From them came the name of the Turkic volost, and 25 of them were buried in the Cesis Cemetery. About Turks in Latvia in the article: "Turkish trace in Latvia.
https://www.grani.lv/world/80214-tureckiy-sled-v-latvii.html

[Warrior-80]

During the times of the great Port (Asman Empire), they were all Daniks and Vasals of the Turks, the Turks turned them around in an interesting place, even the fastest victory in history was won somewhere there, a "Kosovo field" like, and so the Turks twice approached Vienna

[mister-red]

Quote: Warrior-80

During the times of the great Port (Asman Empire), they were all Daniks and Vasals of the Turks, the Turks turned them around in an interesting place, even the fastest victory in history was won somewhere there, a "Kosovo field" like, and so the Turks twice approached Vienna

Ottoman Empire.
In fact, from time to time someone beat them, but the forces were simply unequal.
In 1475, near Vaslui, the army of the Moldavian ruler Stephen III the Great (40 thousand + 7 thousand foreign soldiers) won the battle against the 120 thousand Turkish army.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: lucul

Zhemoyty completely beguiled the coast)))

Correction: Samogitians are Lithuanians otherwise, of course, yes, but what can we expect from a comrade for whom it is very natural to change shoes in the air

[figwam]

Latvian men were forced to do military service and fight in the tsarist army.

And now they will fight for the American army, nothing has changed in the mentality over the centuries.

[Pereira]

There must be at least some benefit from them.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: figvam

Latvian men were forced to do military service and fight in the tsarist army.

will now fight for the American army ..

Let me disagree: now de jure Latvia is an independent state. And in times when did military service and fought in the tsarist / soviet army - they were part of the Republic of Ingushetia, then the Union and no "democracy", as now in principle

Quote: figvam

nothing has changed in the mentality over the centuries.

[figwam]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Let me disagree: now de jure Latvia is an independent state.

And de facto dependent on the United States and will fight for the United States and no fictitious independence will save them. If brains would take neutrality.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

and no "democracy", as now in principle

Quote: figvam

And de facto dependent on the United States and ... no fictional independence ... If the brains would have taken neutrality.

[Mikhalych 70]

EVERY uniform on a green officer is wrinkled somehow for such a protocol event.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Mikhalych 70

the uniform on the green officer is wrinkled ..

Be merciful: this is a Turk, he is just cold, even a raincoat

[carstorm 11]

The Latvian arrows have apparently been erased from history ...

[demo]

If the dead rose from their graves, they would be able to answer for what they gave their lives.
Of course, you can die heroically, by accident. But this is a one-time event.
And all the same it will be known about your "heroism".
And here is a monument. So it was not built for nothing.
Descendants are not in their ancestors.

[iouris]

Google: "In 1877, about a hundred Turks were brought to Wenden, as Cesis was then called. They were captured by Russian at Shipka. 26 of them died of various diseases and were buried on the outskirts of the city. In 1937, a monument was erected to them, not like that. restored long ago. "
Pabriks .....

[Retvizan 8]

Near the monument there is a guard of honor and even holding weapons in different ways with our wars, barrel down!
Although the trunk is up, as is customary in Russia, it looks and more solemn, well, in terms of safety, it is more correct.
I myself know a case when a policeman, trying to warn a hooligan about the use of weapons, fired into the ground, the bullet that recoiled, killed the person ...

[Thrifty]

A couple of centuries, and the last Latvian on the planet can be seen in the museum, and this chicken spits into history once again

[cniza]

In this regard, the question arises to the Latvian authorities: why, in this case, they do not preserve the memory of the Great Patriotic War and are not engaged in maintaining the preservation of the memorials erected in memory of the heroism of Soviet soldiers (including Latvians) who liberated Latvia from Nazism? ..

There are many such questions, they can only do what they are allowed to do, and they have Russophobes above the roof ...

[rocket757]

There is NO sense in that direction.
This is already a clinic, the diagnosis is final.

[cniza]

They also need to be reminded of themselves, and Russia is helping here too.

[rocket757]

Big uncles would have forgotten about the little ones a long time ago, if they hadn't tried to bark out of every crack.

[TatarinSSSR]

Chet did not understand ... That is, the lptashi were supposed to meet the Turks with flowers?

[VORON538]

In this regard, the question arises to the Latvian authorities: why, in this case, they do not preserve the memory of the Great Patriotic War and are not engaged in maintaining the preservation of the memorials erected in memory of the heroism of Soviet soldiers (including Latvians) who liberated Latvia from Nazism? .. ( from)
Maybe because they continue "de-Sovietization and decommunization", because if they remember and honor the feat of Soviet soldiers who defeated Hitler's "European Union", then this will not fit into their current policy, which was most likely brought to them from behind a puddle. politics in these countries will simply be gagged and will not be allowed to enter the leadership of the country.

[magdama]

Did the two of you really discuss this now? Seriously? Yes, they (Ukrainians, Balts, Moldovans, all sorts of Uzbeks) are our former younger brothers, to whom Russia gave EVERYTHING. And now - the enemies. We will live with it. And to strengthen the army and navy.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

Only Russophobes are Russophobes because they have no excuse for the causes of their troubles, how not to blame the Russians for them.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

That's why they are Russophobes, that only Russians are blamed for their troubles.

[Fitter65]

In this regard the question arises to the Latvian authorities: why, in this case, do they not preserve the memory of the Great Patriotic War and are not engaged in maintaining the preservation of the memorials erected in memory of the heroism of Soviet soldiers (including Latvians) who liberated Latvia from Nazism? ..

Asking such a question to the Latvian authorities is like trying to play World of Tanks on the Dandy game console.

[rocket757]

Super-heroes .... bring up moral monsters, and all this will end.

[Lesorub]

The war between the Russian and Ottoman empires in the XNUMXth century also affected Latvian families. Latvian men were forced to do military service and fight in the tsarist army

The current leadership of Latvia - is degenerating an obvious unhealthy love for the Turks and the Western partner - it's all good to annoy the Russians - a policy of double standards.

[xorek]

Latvian men were forced to do military service and fight in the tsarist army

Well, remember, we were "Latvian riflemen" during the revolution, and also Trotsky's guards for the Chinese ... They killed everyone by order of the commissars of a famous nation ...
And in the Tsarist Army, they kept you on a pencil, like the Poles of others .. A little bit that they immediately beat your nostrils, like the rebels and in Siberia in shackles .. An interesting time was also calm in the Russian Empire .. No offense, who was smart and creative mindset, that was the road and no matter who or what ..

[iouris]

You write nonsense. In the Russian army there were no national formations of the "Latvian riflemen" type; was not Latvia. The Latvians themselves called them "arrows", because the language did not contain adequate concepts. Latvians were not called up. These were volunteer units formed at the end of the WWI war, when the Germans were able to move closer to the borders of modern Latvia. Before the Stolypin reform, Latvians were laborers among the German landowners. They were afraid that the Germans would take the land away.
Thus, the Latvians did not fight the Turks. Captive Turks who could not eat rye bread are buried in the cemetery (what is useful for a Latvian, death for a Turk).
Pabrix ....

[magdama]

Sorry .. So you talk and write like I am Smart, Smart ... Why then so POOR? (Brain)

[APASUS]

Fuck, they were forced to serve in the royal army. Abraham Moses for them yet?

[Cottodraton]

Didn't the tsar buy them with the Finns from the "stronghold of civilized Europe" - Sweden for a certain amount of gold? I thought that it was necessary to work out for it

[yehat2]

I have a simple question - if the Latvians have literally every claim, and, for example, no one would force them to serve in the army of the hegemons (Poland, Germany, Sweden, Russia) and they would not serve at all, what would happen then? And there were only 2 options - either Latvia is turning into a desert with constant raids, like the lands of the "Outskirts" from the Crimean peninsula, or a stronger country with its soldiers defends Latvians free of charge.

The first is unacceptable from the point of view of survival, the second - from the side of the hegemons, well, because why should they harness? And suddenly it turns out that for the Latvians "forced service" was the best option. And proceeding from this, the second question is - why the hell, then, lettuce, Latvians? Would you rather destroy your nation but not serve anyone ???
In addition, as far as I know history, Turkey twice undertook campaigns in the immediate vicinity of the territory of Latvia and suddenly I have to admit that the Latvians defended their homeland in the ranks of the united army. Was that also not necessary to do?

[magdama]

I would not be surprised if the traitorous Latvians did not declare that they then fought on the side of the Turkish Port. They don't remember the Latvian riflemen at all, Judas!

[magdama]

I still cannot understand how Latvians and I lived in the same country. These are the Banderaites. It was necessary to send them ALL to the blessed Siberia. One Lithuanian lived here. Oh, and he was a bastard!

[magdama]

Peter the Great was right: Russia has two allies: the Army and the Navy. Tremble!

[magdama]

Stop helping everyone!

[magdama]

We are NON-BROTHERS. And with the Kazakhs, and with the Kirghiz, and with the Tajiks, and with the Uzbeks. Further, everywhere ... It's time to understand this. We are NON-BROTHERS. They needed us when we were fed FREE! Maybe it's time to worry about our Mother Russia and work for her?

[Basarev]

As if the Russians did not fight and did not die in those wars.