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The consequences of the deployment of the S-300V1 and S-300PS of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near Kramatorsk. An unexpected alignment before the upcoming escalation

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In light of the observed intensification of the preparation of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for offensive "attacks" in several operational areas of the Donbass theater of military operations, as well as for the planned implementation of provocative actions on the Russian-Ukrainian border between the Republic of Crimea and the Kherson region, skillfully motivated by impressive military-technical support from the Pentagon and Turkey and the aggressive anti-Russian rhetoric of the current 46th head of the White House Joe Biden, the information of the Dat Viet publication about the urgent deployment of 5 self-propelled launchers of the military anti-aircraft missile system S-300V1 near the line of contact, attracted extremely close attention of Donetsk and Russian military experts ...

"Breakthrough" and suppression of the anti-missile "barrier" of the Armed Forces of Ukraine over the Donbass theater of operations will become a key task of the LPNR army corps to undermine the combat stability of the enemy's offensive "backbone"


According to the aforementioned Vietnamese portal, citing a knowledgeable source in the defense department of "Nezalezhnaya", the S-300V1 anti-aircraft missile battery deployed to the Donbass theater of operations will be involved in the formation of a zone-object layered anti-aircraft / anti-missile "umbrella" covering the command and staff infrastructure, and also one of the separate mechanized and / or airborne assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine participating in the offensive "throw" in one of the three key operational directions from strikes by operational tactical ballistic missiles, as well as tactical air-to-surface missiles used from the the Su-25 attack aircraft, which is in service with the 2nd Army Corps of the NM LPR.

Meanwhile, given the fact that the deployed S-300V1 battery will be integrated into a single layered air defense-missile defense system with the Buk-M1 self-propelled medium-range air defense systems in service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the S-300PS medium / long-range air defense systems, it is not difficult to assume that the "hotheads" in the General Staff of the Armed Forces are preparing not only for retaliatory missile and missile-artillery strikes of the 1st and 2nd AK of the People's Militia of the LDNR with the use of the Tochka-U OTRK and the Smerch MLRS, but also for the probable " power dive "with the Aerospace Forces and units of the Missile Forces and Artillery of Russia.

After all, the estimated total ammunition load of the S-300V1, S-300PS and Buk-M1 complexes transferred to the Donbass theater of operations, even according to the most conservative estimates, can be about 150-200 anti-aircraft guided missiles 9М83, 5В55Р and 9М38М1, several times exceeding the number of armament of the republican army corps of operational-tactical BR 9M79-1 "Tochka-U", and, possibly, 300-mm corrected missiles of the 55th "line" (with indices 9M55S / F / K1-7) for MLRS of the Smerch family ".

Moreover, it is quite obvious that the positions of the aforementioned anti-aircraft missile divisions, covering the command and staff infrastructure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the joint base / jump airfield near Kramatorsk (during the escalation, it can be used as the main base point for Su-25 attack aircraft, Mi-8MTPB electronic warfare helicopters / PPA), are located at a distance of about 75-80 km north of the line of contact, outside the reach of 300-mm rockets 9M55F / K1-7.

As a result, "break through" and suppress the anti-missile umbrella of the Air Force "Square" by means of standard ammunition sets of multiple launch rocket systems "Hurricane" and "Smerch" (not to mention the cannon artillery), which are in service with the rocket artillery divisions of the 1st AK NM DNR , is unlikely to succeed.

To successfully complete this task, it will be necessary to provide the LDNR army corps with an appropriate "package" of military-technical assistance, within which the ammunition sets of the 9K58 Smerch MLRS should be retrofitted with 9M528 / 542 type adjustable / guided missiles with a range of 90 and 120 km, respectively. Such a step may become the most adequate asymmetric response to the provision of the Armed Forces with FGM-148 Javelin anti-tank systems and Bayraktar TB2 strike-reconnaissance UAVs.

What is equally important, in order to achieve maximum efficiency during the breakthrough of the anti-missile "barrier" of the APU, the "outfit" of corrected / guided missiles of this modification (9M528 / 542) in one salvo should be 2-3 times higher than the target channel of the above-described Ukrainian mixed anti-aircraft missile brigades.

After all, it is well known that even a pair of S-300PS anti-aircraft missile regiments and one S-300V1 battery have a total target channel of about 30 simultaneously intercepted aerospace attack vehicles of the enemy, implemented by means of 6-channel radars for illumination and guidance 30N6E and multifunctional radar 9S32.

Moreover, the effective reflecting surface (EOC / EPR) of 300-mm rockets 9M528 / 542 is about 0,08-0,1 square meters. m, falling into the lower EPR limits (0,02 and 0,05 sq. m) of air objects detected and accompanied by the above radars.

An increase in the "squad" of URSs in one salvo can be achieved only by supplying the army corps of the republics with a couple of dozen additional combat vehicles (self-propelled launchers) 9A52 / -2 "Smerch".
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  1. Runway
    Runway 23 March 2021 05: 03
    +5
    Essay Title = Author. Spring, hormones ...
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 23 March 2021 05: 41
      +41
      Quote: WFP
      Spring, hormones ...

      The author considers possible scenarios, taking into account the available data, this is normal. And for the headquarters, for example, this is a direct responsibility.
      1. Toucan
        Toucan 23 March 2021 05: 50
        +3
        The author considers possible scenarios, taking into account the available data, this is normal.

        Where did you see the "normality"? The author is a rare dreamer, and does not understand anything about what he writes. No.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 23 March 2021 05: 57
          +25
          Quote: Tucan
          Written by a rare dreamer

          Fantasies is the deployment of an air defense missile system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or hostility of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the republics of the LDNR and Russia? Or maybe the study of the headquarters of the Armed Forces and the Aerospace Forces of various plans about the not particularly sane Armed Forces of Ukraine? You will clarify what exactly.
          1. Errr
            Errr 23 March 2021 06: 17
            -24%
            Fantasies there, for example, are:
            As a result, "break through" and suppress the anti-missile umbrella of the Air Force "Square" by means of standard ammunition sets of multiple launch rocket systems "Hurricane" and "Smerch" (not to mention the cannon artillery), which are in service with the rocket artillery divisions of the 1st AK NM DNR , is unlikely to succeed.
            The republics of Donbass have already poperly on Kyiv, or what? laughing
            1. Civil
              Civil 23 March 2021 06: 38
              -43%
              An unexpected alignment before the upcoming escalation

              The author wants to say the following:
              1. If suddenly the population of Russia will have a bad approach to the elections, there is a Ukrainian threat.
              2. If the economy continues to stifle sanctions, we must go into battle.
              1. Errr
                Errr 23 March 2021 06: 44
                -26%
                Let the author go ... first! A flag in his hands, a drum on his neck and, if without a song, then a pipe in his teeth. The last will be the drumming, tk. hands are busy with the flag. laughing
                Well, Damantsev. I made a mood in the morning. laughing
              2. Vavan Kharlamov_2
                Vavan Kharlamov_2 April 10 2021 11: 35
                0
                And what does the election have to do with it? Ukraine is tired of all the order and must be destroyed. And there is no need to stick the floor painting here.
            2. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 23 March 2021 07: 15
              +18
              Quote: Herrr
              The republics of Donbass have already poperly on Kyiv, or what?

              What a wretched imitation of "Nightingale Mova"?


              Quote: Herrr
              As a result, "break through" and suppress the anti-missile umbrella of the Air Force "Square"
              And what, it is not clear what this MAY be needed when applying a PROBABLE counterstrike?
              In light of the observed intensification of the preparation of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for offensive "attacks" in several operational directions of the Donbass theater of military operations
              Or are the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazibats in 2014-15 with constant shelling now also fantasies?
              1. Errr
                Errr 23 March 2021 09: 06
                -8
                [quote = Vladimir_2U] [quote = Errr] Republics of Donbass have already flooded to Kyiv, or what? [/ quote]
                What a wretched imitation of "Nightingale Mova"?

                "The republics of Donbass have already poperly on Kyiv, or what?" - this is not a miserable imitation of "Nightingale's Mova", but, in fact, a fairly accurate transliteration of the phrase "republics of Donbas have already flooded to Kiev, anyhow?" in the Russian alphabet.

                [quote = Errr] As a result, "break through" and suppress the anti-missile umbrella of the Air Force "Square" [/ quote] [quote = Vladimir_2U] And what, it is not clear what this MAY be needed when applying a PROBABLE counterstrike? [/ quote]

                Counterstrike MLRS on areas in the adjacent territory?

                [quote = Vladimir_2U] [quote] In light of the observed intensification of the preparation of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for offensive "attacks" in several operational directions of the Donbass theater of military operations [/ quote] Or the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Nazis in 2014-15 with constant shelling are now also fantasies? [/ quote]

                The last quote from the article is not for me at all, but for the author of the article. No need to juggle the deck. smile
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 23 March 2021 09: 34
                  +1
                  Quote: Herrr
                  "The republics of Donbass have already poperly on Kyiv, or what?" - this is not a miserable imitation of "Nightingale's Mova", but, in fact, a fairly accurate transliteration of the phrase "republics of Donbas have already flooded to Kiev, anyhow?" in the Russian alphabet.
                  Well, you know better from Kuiv.


                  Quote: Herrr
                  Quote: Herrr
                  As a result, "break through" and suppress the anti-missile umbrella of the Air Force "Square"
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  And what, it is not clear what this MAY be needed when applying a PROBABLE counterstrike?


                  Counterstrike MLRS on areas in the adjacent territory?
                  WHEN APPLYING a probable counterstrike. What's incomprehensible? Strike-bombardment-raid MLRS when applying a counterstrike. Russian seems to you harder given than Ukromova.


                  Quote: Herrr
                  The last quote from the article is not for me at all, but for the author of the article. No need to juggle the deck.
                  This is an example of exactly how you ripped out the phrase "forgetting" the rest.
                  1. Errr
                    Errr 23 March 2021 10: 01
                    -1
                    I have never been to Kiev, alas. Siberian for life since 1961, i.e. from the very, that neither is, birth. He was a Far Easterner for only two years in 1979-1981. Even in the European part of Russia I have been only for short visits with the sole purpose of seeing the world.
                    And you and people like you would not hurt to inflate less, because literary "masterpieces" like your "letters" with manipulation and "notes" for the purpose of defaming the interlocutor, personally from me and, most likely, from people like me are called for reading them a great desire to pronounce the simple Russian phrases "mascara light" and "sleep here".
                    If you are going to shoot at the little people, then collect the duffel bag on the front line, but silently and individually. There is nothing to sprinkle with poison on the sites, because all this stinks hefty of Gaponism. am
                    1. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 23 March 2021 10: 07
                      +5
                      Quote: Herrr
                      I have never been to Kiev, alas. Siberian for life since 1961, i.e. from the very, that neither is, birth. He was a Far Easterner for only two years in 1979-1981. Even in the European part of Russia I have been only for short visits with the sole purpose of seeing the world.
                      And you and people like you would not hurt to inflate less, because literary "masterpieces" like your "letters" with manipulation and "notes" for the purpose of defaming the interlocutor, personally from me and, most likely, from people like me are called for reading them a great desire to pronounce the simple Russian phrases "mascara light" and "sleep here".
                      If you are going to shoot at the little people, then collect the duffel bag on the front line, but silently and individually. There is nothing to sprinkle with poison on the sites, because all this stinks hefty of Gaponism.
                      This broke through, it broke through, to tear quotes out of context, and then be offended that they poked their nose into it, and carry some kind of nonsense like:
                      Quote: Herrr
                      If you are going to shoot at the little men, then collect the duffel bag and go to the front line,
                      it is not it is not to spray with poison! They were going to shoot at the little men with impunity, only they hit them on the sniff, and you somehow suspiciously diligently write them down into fluffs.
            3. sgrabik
              sgrabik 23 March 2021 09: 02
              0
              Do not write this ridiculous nonsense, it will be the best !!!
            4. sgrabik
              sgrabik 23 March 2021 09: 04
              +1
              Quote: Herrr
              The republics of Donbass have already poperly on Kyiv, or what?

              Do not write this ridiculous nonsense, it will be best for you !!!
            5. Dimon Dimonov_2
              Dimon Dimonov_2 24 March 2021 16: 04
              +2
              While the Ukrainians gather at Kyef, they will burn it themselves .. = o)
            6. Vladimir Sharp
              Vladimir Sharp 26 March 2021 14: 18
              0
              svidomy uglepok, republics of Donbass see the mud of Kiev shvidshe, not to see in your nightmares bachil ... the axis of that one is transferred and more often lick the miners chobots, trash banderivska.
              1. Errr
                Errr 26 March 2021 15: 12
                0
                Qrágtıe qora-ngi! fool
          2. Toucan
            Toucan 23 March 2021 06: 29
            +11
            The author considers possible scenarios, taking into account the available data, this is normal.
            It would be very nice if they put punctuation marks and clearly formulate their thoughts without the "A". But I will answer you. Ukrainian S-300V1s were built in the mid-80s and are much inferior in their capabilities to the later, but already outdated S-300Vs. The combat effectiveness of these missiles is in question. As for the S-300PS and Buk-M1, they are categorically unable to fight the MLRS missiles mentioned in the article.
            As for this author, it turned out not so long ago that he does not know which guidance system is used on the 5V55R missile defense system, and this says a lot.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 23 March 2021 06: 56
              +8
              Quote: Tucan
              It would be very nice if they put punctuation marks and clearly formulate their thoughts without "A"
              Apply for proofreaders, you will always have a pretty penny, how do you like my proposal, huh?

              Quote: Tucan
              As for the S-300PS and Buk-M1, they are categorically unable to fight the MLRS missiles mentioned in the article.
              As for this author, it turned out not so long ago that he does not know which guidance system is used on the 5V55R missile defense system, and this says a lot.

              This certainly makes him a "visionary".

              Quote: Tucan
              The combat effectiveness of these missiles is in question.

              It would be nice if they explained what the "SAM of these missiles" is.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 23 March 2021 18: 30
                +1
                Ukrainian S-300V1s were built in the mid-80s and are much inferior in their capabilities to the later, but already outdated S-300Vs. The combat effectiveness of these missiles complexes under a big question.

                wink
            2. KVIRTU
              KVIRTU 29 March 2021 13: 09
              0
              The Buk missiles have a 10-year service life. In 2009, I happened to be present at their shooting, 4 out of 5 fuel detonates at different stages of the flight, starting from the guide. These missiles pose the greatest danger to them.
          3. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 23 March 2021 22: 15
            0
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Fantasies is the deployment of an air defense missile system of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or hostility of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the republics of the LDNR and Russia? Or maybe the study of the headquarters of the Armed Forces and the Aerospace Forces of various plans about the not particularly sane Armed Forces of Ukraine? You will clarify what exactly.

            He meant that the AK has not existed for a long time, the operational commands are for them, as well as that the Armed Forces of the LDNR do not have the nomenclature of VT and V about which he writes ...
            Here it is necessary to proceed from the composition of the Armed Forces of Ukraine located on the Left-Bank Ukraine and the composition of the forces of the 8th OA and 49th OA of the Russian Army ...
            The task of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is to defeat the Armed Forces / NM of the DPR and LPR in border battles, and on the other side to provoke the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the territory of the republics and, together with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, organize "boilers" for them and the simultaneous destruction of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of the second echelon throughout the Left-Bank Ukraine with access to the Dnieper and Crimea ...
        2. seregatara1969
          seregatara1969 23 March 2021 21: 50
          +1
          And speaks the language of the printed channel plastic
      2. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 23 March 2021 05: 52
        0
        Is the author considering the use of UAVs against the air defense of the Armed Forces? Orlan-10 or Outpost, for example, as disturbing, or even some kind of percussion?
        1. Black lotos
          Black lotos 23 March 2021 11: 15
          +3
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          Is the author considering the use of UAVs against the air defense of the Armed Forces? Orlan-10 or Outpost, for example, as disturbing, or even some kind of percussion?

          they have been applied and confused for a long time.
          Even the nameplates are not changed for such operations.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 24 March 2021 03: 31
            0
            Quote: Black Lotos
            they have been applied and confused for a long time.

            This means that they can also be taken into account as the reason for the consumption of missiles.
  2. KCA
    KCA 23 March 2021 05: 09
    +22
    As I understand it, in the opinion of the author, the S-300 will reflect the Smerch NURS? Well, well, a good exchange, for one unguided projectile, two S-300 missiles
    1. Alien From
      Alien From 23 March 2021 08: 21
      +6
      It's Damantsev ........
    2. Alex777
      Alex777 23 March 2021 18: 36
      +5
      As I understand it, in the opinion of the author, the S-300 will reflect the Smerch NURS? Well, well, a good exchange, for one unguided projectile, two S-300 missiles

      IMHO, except for helicopters and Su-25, these Ukrainian systems will not frighten anyone.
      And the helicopters will have to take off higher. But Bandera have nothing else.
      And the fact that they will try to defend themselves from a preemptive strike is a fact. hi
  3. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 March 2021 06: 38
    +7
    In such cases, it is better to overdo it than to miss it. It will somehow be healthier for health. This time Eugene is a big plus.
  4. nivander
    nivander 23 March 2021 06: 52
    +1
    my dad was in command of the S-300ps (semi-self-propelled) battalion in the KDVO in 1988. For 2021, this is a rectiloid that is difficult to miss with OTP or drone
  5. TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 23 March 2021 07: 22
    +10
    Do the Republics have MLRS Smerch? Yes, even with adjustable power supplies? And point Y? And they also have to carry out "a breakthrough and suppression of the anti-missile shield of the Ukrainian Armed Forces"? They would have lived the day until nightfall, so that the wind would blow ... And then the fables "a little more time was not enough to take Kiev, the fuel ran out"
    Ps, is there some kind of infa on su 25? Well, more precisely, I doubt that even Ukraine will use aviation, let alone the LPR. Is there one kamikaze trying to take off, if the condition is suitable and there is ammunition. You can keep silent about the performance of any tasks, with "overwhelming" superiority (yes, this is very strange when you talk about the Air Force and Air Defense of Ukraine, but unfortunately we have one airplane, and that is not for air battles). But it is possible to use it as an immortal nona in Slavyansk, sorry there is no place, for a safe takeoff and landing. In general, the author's dreams and fantasies are incomparable with reality. It's a pity there is no section, science fiction.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 March 2021 10: 41
      +17
      Quote: TerraSandera
      Do the Republics have MLRS Smerch?




      https://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201409091817-drnr.htm

      I see no obstacles for this couple to reproduce repeat And since 2014, enough time has passed ...
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin 23 March 2021 11: 34
        +5
        In 2014, the shelling of the Kramatorsk airfield (and more of the surrounding area) was recorded by the Smerch MLRS.
        So there are.
      2. TerraSandera
        TerraSandera 23 March 2021 15: 59
        +1
        Strange, but they were not shown at parades, and even so, I have not seen a photo or video. Just wondering where they could have gone with that range. Well, about reproduction, yes, it is always welcome. Especially for rare species.
        But Mr. Damantsev also spoke about the point. There is generally silence here.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 23 March 2021 22: 28
          -1
          Quote: TerraSandera
          But Mr. Damantsev also spoke about the point. There is generally silence here.

          The militias could not have "points" .... in all the Armed Forces of Ukraine there is one RBR. OTRK "Tochka U" in what state the missiles themselves are better not to think .... they have not undergone routine maintenance for at least 7 years ...
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 24 March 2021 06: 54
          +1
          Quote: TerraSandera
          Mr. Damantsev also spoke about the point. There is generally silence here.


          Why should we advertise everything we have? "Point" is in question. And let it remain in this form for the ancient orcs.
      3. Novichek)
        Novichek) 23 March 2021 17: 01
        +4
        laughing ".. multiplied ...")) this is the "right thing") just spring, the mating season has gone ....))
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 23 March 2021 22: 25
      +1
      Quote: TerraSandera
      Ps, but is there some kind of infa on su 25?

      According to the "zombie box" in 2014, they showed that due to a breakdown of the Su-25 of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they sat down on the field, the militias took him away ... there is also an L-29, a Yak-52, in Lugansk under the Union it seems the school was ...
  6. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 23 March 2021 07: 53
    -6
    Well, the fact that this is Damansky, I already understood from the title ...
    But somehow it does not fit - in the next branch there is the same analyst, only from China he explained to us that there would be no offensive on Donbass!
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 23 March 2021 11: 36
      +7
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      in the next branch, the same analyst, only from China, explained to us that there would be no offensive on Donbass!

      The headquarters take into account not only the intentions of the enemy, but also his capabilities. Opportunities are primary.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 March 2021 13: 44
      +9
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      But somehow it does not fit - in the next branch there is the same analyst, only from China he explained to us that there would be no offensive on Donbass!

      Leader, but right, as you could, and for what belay , "misunderstand" and so freely interpret the mentioned article? ? ?

      Chinese, after all, did not explain that there would be no offensive but just described his vision of , why The outskirts did not dare to start it...




      Quote: From the article:
      The Ukrainian army did not go on the offensive, as Kiev understood what this could lead to. Otherwise, Russia would have attracted a peacekeeping contingent to Donbass.
  7. Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 23 March 2021 07: 56
    +7
    According to the results of the observed escalation of the deployment of the National Battalions, Combats and Batyan, subordinate directly to the Orchestra of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, headed by Verka Serduchka, the parades of the LGBT community Nezalezhnaya are expected, which is an indicator of the planning of a deliberate undermining of the foundations of the indigenous population of Tirana, Bishkek and the island of Khortitsa, skillfully stimulated by the old the fall from Biden, the transvestites of Istanbul that went underground with the arrival of Erdogan, and the aggressive rhetoric of the 69th enemy of the communists Elton John, the information of the Ped Rillo Internet wall newspaper published in Cameroon about hypersonic broadcasts trench LDNR 5 self-propelled launchers PC-24 "Yars.
  8. Undecim
    Undecim 23 March 2021 08: 54
    +14
    According to the information transmitted to the author from the Minister of Public Security of Vietnam To Lama, the information received by the Ministry of Public Information from the information source Chin Xuan Thanh illegally working at the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to suppress the quasi-continuous (pulse bursts with large discreteness) unmodulated and chirp in the burst and linear frequency modulation, as well as supercritical clogging of quasi-optimal filters and overflow of signals of dispersive delay lines with a high compression ratio and bringing narrow-band filters to the supercritical mode, which will lead to closing the tracking loop, issuing incorrect control codes (signals) to the synchronizer, beam control system, etc. other systems of the station of the 9S32 multichannel missile guidance station, achieving ambiguity in determining the range and speed when searching with a quasi-continuous signal, the "outfit" of corrected / guided missiles of this modification (9M528 542/2) in one salvo should be 3–9 times higher than the target channel of the computer of the estimate in time of coordinates and their derivatives of the sector of autonomous search and auto-tracking of targets of the 3SXNUMX missile guidance station.

    An illegal Vietnamese intelligence officer working in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine accepts congratulations on the 8th of March from the officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 23 March 2021 10: 07
      +8
      To the glory of Ho Chi Minh, Viet Vo Dau Vovinam, Van Damme and Dan Vama! Amen.
    2. Titus_2
      Titus_2 23 March 2021 11: 30
      +7
      Thank you 5+ half of Damantsev's articles have been retold .... if they had kept silent about Vietnamese intelligence, then Damantsev's pure opuses.
    3. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 23 March 2021 21: 36
      +4
      5 points! I haven't laughed like that for a long time! Shikardos Zhenek Damantsev turned out! There is zero sense and stupid juggling with numbers, concepts and definitions. Set off a parody !!! good
  9. svp67
    svp67 23 March 2021 08: 57
    +4
    even according to the most conservative estimates, it can be about 150-200 anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M83, 5V55R and 9M38M1,
    Can the author specify how old these missiles are? How were they stored, did all the maintenance work go through, are they generally suitable for combat use?
    1. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin 23 March 2021 11: 40
      +8
      Quote: svp67
      even according to the most conservative estimates, it can be about 150-200 anti-aircraft guided missiles 9M83, 5V55R and 9M38M1,
      Can the author specify how old these missiles are? How were they stored, did all the maintenance work go through, are they generally suitable for combat use?

      In 2008, the missiles of the Georgian "Buk" had already passed all the guaranteed storage periods, but, alas, they worked normally.
      1. svp67
        svp67 23 March 2021 14: 21
        +9
        Quote: Captain Pushkin
        In 2008, the missiles of the Georgian "Buk" had already passed all the guaranteed storage periods, but, alas, they worked normally.

        This is of course a sad argument, but 2008 years have passed since 13 and they have not added freshness to rockets, their fuel, charge and electronic filling.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 23 March 2021 18: 53
          +2
          In 2008, there were Buks in Georgia, which had just been refurbished and modernized in Russia.
          1. svp67
            svp67 24 March 2021 05: 27
            +4
            Quote: TermNachTER
            In 2008, there were Buks in Georgia, which had just been refurbished and modernized in Russia.

            No, the repair and modernization was carried out at the enterprises of Ukraine and its specialists.
            1. TermNachTer
              TermNachTer 24 March 2021 13: 13
              +1
              What enterprise in Ukraine does this?
              1. svp67
                svp67 24 March 2021 13: 42
                +2
                Quote: TermNachTER
                What enterprise in Ukraine does this?

                NPK "Iskra", "Ukrspetstechnika", KB "Luch", Zhulyanskiy machine-building plant "Vizar", NPP "Aerotechnika-MLT"
                1. TermNachTer
                  TermNachTer 24 March 2021 19: 02
                  0
                  I will not speak for the other factories that you have listed. Iskra has never done anything for the air defense system. She did now radar and PRV.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 25 March 2021 04: 56
                    0
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    Iskra has never done anything for the air defense system. She did now radar and PRV.

                    Is this not on the air defense system?
                    1. TermNachTer
                      TermNachTer 25 March 2021 13: 14
                      0
                      Which air defense system includes 36D6 or PRV - 17?
                      1. KVIRTU
                        KVIRTU 29 March 2021 13: 24
                        0
                        19Zh6 or 35D6 were included in the set of the Baikal air defense control system as their own means of detection, usually they were idle without spare parts and specialists.
                      2. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 29 March 2021 17: 39
                        0
                        Here I am the same, "Iskra" in the repair and modernization of the S - 300, absolutely useless.
  • Ural resident
    Ural resident 23 March 2021 09: 07
    +18
    The bottom line is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, albeit with old but quite capable equipment, covered the headquarters and control centers. Taking into account American intelligence and integration into a single network, this is a very serious argument, it stops pinpoint missile strikes at the same control points for drones and electronic warfare. The task is to throw the advanced units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the slaughter with shouts of aggression and start a meat grinder, and the more they die, the better. All air defense is not designed for the LPNR, but for an operation to be forced by Russia. A missile attack on headquarters and control centers could stop the offensive, but it is against him that all this is started: the longer the meat grinder lasts, the more bonuses the Western "curators" will collect. Underestimation of the enemy and harshness sometimes leads to very disastrous results.
    1. your1970
      your1970 24 March 2021 07: 33
      -1
      A banal DRG not? Drag an 82mm mortar?
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 23 March 2021 09: 19
    +9
    In the History section, Samsonov rules. In this section, Damantsev. And each in his own way. smile
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 23 March 2021 10: 31
      +7
      Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
      In the History section, Samsonov rules. In this section, Damantsev. And each in his own way. smile

      Hyperborean (Soviet) civilization and firing point from the S-300 air defense system.
      Shaw is near laughing
  • prior
    prior 23 March 2021 09: 29
    +6
    A question for informed comrades.
    Submariners use dummy torpedoes to escape pursuit.
    Are there cruise missile simulators, for example, for the Tornado?
    Meaning: by attacking with simulators, provoke the enemy into a massive consumption of anti-aircraft missiles.
    I think this makes a certain sense. Or I'm wrong?
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 23 March 2021 13: 34
      +2
      It is much easier, with the same "tornado", to cover the position of the air defense missile system. Banderaffen have old "300 - ki", with a firing range of up to 70 km.
    2. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 23 March 2021 21: 55
      +4
      I don’t know for the Tornado (meaning?), But for the aviation simulators, they have existed for a very long time. For the same Polossants: the main armament of the ancient B-52 is the ALCM cruise missile, and so that the Soviet air defense is not bored, SRAM simulators were suspended. These are the "revolvers" of the bomber are discharged, and you are rushing over the ocean on your fighter and you shoot all this air herd with your limited ammunition load. It's a funny thing. Therefore, the task is to bring them down to the RVB (the line of entry into battle), for a fighter - a one-way flight, at such ranges the "karassin" does not have enough home (they warned at the school)
  • alstr
    alstr 23 March 2021 09: 47
    +7
    Pancake. Why such difficulties. In the conditions of the war in Ukraine, the easiest way to disable the S-300 is ..... a sniper rifle. Several shots at each radar and that's it - the system is put on indefinitely. At least one day.

    And you can get into a 2 by 2 canvas from a sniper rifle from a couple of kilometers. AND
    1. paster40
      paster40 23 March 2021 09: 52
      -1
      exactly this way they disabled the S-300 in the Crimea, in 2014
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 23 March 2021 13: 33
        +3
        And why was it necessary to disable it? Did she interfere with someone?)))
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 23 March 2021 22: 49
          -1
          Quote: TermNachTER
          And why was it necessary to disable it? Did she interfere with someone?)))

          Apparently to the AA VKS RF helicopters ... going from the sea to the Crimea ...
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 23 March 2021 23: 31
            +2
            Ha - ha three times)) it was all in Crimea, there was no need to carry anything)))
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft 24 March 2021 00: 56
              +1
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Ha - ha three times)) it was all in Crimea, there was no need to carry anything)))

              So helicopters airlifted neither anything, but whom ... laughing laughing
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 24 March 2021 13: 16
                +3
                I think that who, too, was already in the Crimea, was waiting for the command "face".
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft 24 March 2021 13: 31
                  0
                  Quote: TermNachTER
                  I think that who, too, was already in the Crimea, was waiting for the command "face".

                  Your statement runs counter to the official version and line of the Party and the Government ...
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 24 March 2021 19: 03
                    0
                    And what kind of government are you talking about, and what party are you talking about?))) I actually live in Ukraine)))
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 24 March 2021 19: 19
                      +2
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      What kind of government are you talking about, and what party are you talking about?)))

                      RF and "EP" .....
                      I actually live in Ukraine)))

                      My condolences....
                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 24 March 2021 19: 35
                        +2
                        Thank you, but we still have a faint hope that we will live like Russia.
                      2. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 24 March 2021 21: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Thank you, but we still have a faint hope that we will live like Russia.

                        You underestimate yourself.
                        Ukraine will still be a prosperous, independent and pro-Russian state, mocking the Empireists ... for old grievances and deception ...
                        ..... the main thing for Ukraine is to save its population ...
                      3. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 25 March 2021 00: 04
                        0
                        It is hard to believe, the population is dying out and scattering, including to Russia.
                      4. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 25 March 2021 00: 09
                        +2
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        It is hard to believe, the population is dying out and scattering, including to Russia.

                        In the 90s, it was worse for us ... at least you have the Russian Federation behind your back, but we can only rely on ourselves ...
                      5. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 25 March 2021 13: 15
                        0
                        Strange, I thought you were from Russia.
                      6. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 25 March 2021 14: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Strange, I thought you were from Russia.

                        That's right, I thought, what's the problem then?
                      7. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 25 March 2021 18: 34
                        0
                        Well, you wrote that - "Russia is behind you." Although I, behind my back, somehow do not feel it.
                      8. Lara Croft
                        Lara Croft 25 March 2021 18: 37
                        0
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Well, you wrote that - "Russia is behind you." Although I, behind my back, somehow do not feel it.

                        But the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Empireists feel ... otherwise they would have divided the former Ukrainian SSR into squares ...
  • Black lotos
    Black lotos 23 March 2021 11: 17
    +1
    Quote: alstr
    And you can get into a 2 by 2 canvas from a sniper rifle from a couple of kilometers. AND

    the sniper has a couple of hundred kilometers to crawl .......
    1. alstr
      alstr 23 March 2021 13: 39
      0
      Not a couple of hundred, but only about a hundred. and no need to crawl. Such sabotage actions are not done by crawling.
      This is closer to contract killing.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 23 March 2021 18: 52
      +4
      In Kramatorsk, the airfield is practically within the city limits. Climb on the roof of a 9-storey building and shoot for fun.
  • paster40
    paster40 23 March 2021 09: 51
    0
    This means that in the near future the LDNR will be armed with the S-300 air defense systems.
  • Vasily Terkin_2
    Vasily Terkin_2 23 March 2021 09: 59
    -2
    Does the C-300B1 kit include a 30N6E low-light radar tower? If yes, then a breakthrough of the network-centric air defense without the use of the anti-radar version of the Kh-35 missiles is simply impossible! And the carriers are only in service with the Russian Federation.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 23 March 2021 21: 19
      0
      but the point is to break through? There is no such task
  • Titus_2
    Titus_2 23 March 2021 10: 37
    +5
    Finally, I learned to identify Damantsev's articles by title, but as always he has a mishmash ..... gathers everything that is possible in a heap.
  • Black lotos
    Black lotos 23 March 2021 11: 19
    -12%
    which is an article about a full-scale strike on Ukraine on its territory with a full complement of nuclear weapons alone is not enough, despite the fact that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are not even on the border with the Russian Federation. But already planning a strike on them in the entire runet.
    And after that it is always said that the Russian Federation is not involved and is not going to fight ..
    sur.
    1. VORON538
      VORON538 23 March 2021 15: 39
      +4
      What is Russia involved in, here is more detailed! Yes, and about the attacks of nuclear weapons, by the way, on Russia and the Russians, your ukropolitiks said! Fortunately, God did not give horns to the vigorous goat! hi
    2. VORON538
      VORON538 23 March 2021 16: 57
      +5
      By the way, when in insta you visit the profiles of the Ukrainian warriors of the world, almost everyone has an image of the ruins of Moscow, the Kremlin and posing against them with a zhovto-blakit stripe and sometimes with some fascist symbols of the soldier. about Kiev. Is this also Kremlin propaganda, or in your Ukraine every military man imagines himself to be a kind of berserker who will surpass the Nazis and will not end up in hell in the same pot with them? lol
  • svoit
    svoit 23 March 2021 11: 45
    +1
    Quote: Herrr

    Counterstrike MLRS on areas in the adjacent territory?

    It seems that it was not about the areas, but only about the SD
  • Captain45
    Captain45 23 March 2021 12: 16
    +3
    According to the aforementioned Vietnamese portal, citing a knowledgeable source in the defense department, "Nezalezhnaya", the S-300V1 anti-aircraft missile battery transferred to the Donbass theater of operations will be involved in the formation of a zone-object echeloned anti-aircraft / anti-missile "umbrella" covering the command and staff infrastructure, as well as one of the individual mechanized and / or airborne assault forces participating in the offensive "throw" assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in one of the three key operational areas from strikes by operational-tactical ballistic missiles, as well as tactical air-to-surface missiles used from the suspension nodes of the captured Su-25 attack aircraft, which is in service with the 2nd Army Corps of the LNR NM.(C)
    Well, if the Vietnamese intelligence recruits sources in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and assesses the situevina in the Donbas (where is Donbas, and where is Vietnam what belay ) well then I don't know what to do request As the saying goes - "drain the water, take out the basin!" lol
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 23 March 2021 13: 32
      +2
      I think that they did not recruit, they just bought information "on the occasion", it will suddenly come in handy. Moreover, in Kueva now everything is at a reasonable price)))
  • dgonni
    dgonni 23 March 2021 12: 54
    0
    Damantsev can be recognized by the title of the article!
    Take it easy! Nobody will attack!
    Well, you shouldn't burn the office knowing the LDNR weapons systems!
    And what trophy su-25 did it appear in the republics? Nui tornadoes are clearly not trophies.
    So sometimes it's better to chew than write!
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 23 March 2021 13: 30
      +6
      They wrote about the Su - 25 that they made an emergency landing. But how seriously it was restored is a big question. Although, given the fact that Russia is nearby, it is quite possible.
      1. dgonni
        dgonni 23 March 2021 14: 22
        -5
        All losses of the Armed Forces in terms of flying equipment have been tracked and are in the public domain! Up to the serial numbers of the units!
        So no need to read the tabloids!
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 23 March 2021 18: 47
          +6
          Do you believe BanderaSMI?))) If you believe them, then in Russia there is no longer any airborne forces, no special forces, or Buryat jet cavalrymen)))
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 23 March 2021 13: 00
    +2
    It seems that all the air defense systems of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have long expired ammunition, do they shoot a lot interesting?
  • Revival
    Revival 23 March 2021 13: 02
    +5
    "the S-300V1 anti-aircraft missile battery will be used to cover the command and staff infrastructure, as well as one of the separate mechanized and / or airborne assault brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces against strikes with operational tactical ballistic missiles, as well as tactical air-to-surface missiles, used from the suspension nodes of the captured Su-25 attack aircraft, which is in service with the 2nd Army Corps of the NM LPR. "

    Strategic bomber!
    How to hit with "operational-tactical ballistic missiles", 10 pieces in one sortie, or even 12!
    Or maybe strategic ballistic ones!
    But the truth is, there is only 4 at a time ((
    Or maybe use a dagger!
    But, the truth is, if only the pilot's arms are long and dexterous ..
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 23 March 2021 13: 28
    +5
    I want to remind the author that the last time Banderlyand purchased missiles for the S - 300 was in 2002-03, and not for all the air defense systems, but only for a part. Those. some TPU have missiles that are 20 or more years old))) did you count them too?))) I wish you successful launches)))
  • Griffit
    Griffit 23 March 2021 15: 54
    0
    As a resident of Kramatorsk, I am categorically against the use of MLRS at the airfield, since it is located practically within the city limits.
    1. Black lotos
      Black lotos 24 March 2021 11: 01
      -4
      Quote: Griffit
      As a resident of Kramatorsk, I am categorically against the use of MLRS at the airfield, since it is located practically within the city limits.

      have already been used.
      Civilian casualties and helicopters rebuilt
      Shelling of Kramatorsk on February 10, 2015
      17 killed and 47 injured.
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 24 March 2021 12: 53
        +3
        So say thank you to Turchinov from Gotroshenko for all this. It was not Russia that drove the Smerch and Hurricane MLRS to Donbass, but your Ukrainian army, which is fighting against the population of Donbass.
  • BAI
    BAI 23 March 2021 16: 05
    +3
    "Break through" and suppress the anti-missile umbrella of the Air Force "Square" by means of standard ammunition sets of multiple launch rocket systems "Hurricane" and "Smerch" (not to mention the cannon artillery),

    What does barreled artillery have to do with breaking through air defense?
    1. Novichek)
      Novichek) 23 March 2021 17: 21
      +3
      Yes, everyone understands that he writes nonsense, but they continue to read anyway.) It's like: "the mice cried, injected, but continued to eat the cactus" ... I personally go to read the comments) and the author's text itself, read more than the first two lines ...
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 23 March 2021 18: 49
        0
        Similarly))) by the style of writing and name, I already find out that this is the creation of Damantsev (Timokhin) and immediately proceed to the comments)))
  • Klingon
    Klingon 23 March 2021 17: 00
    +1
    what I didn’t understand the author, I’m even a layman in air defense matters, but following the logic of how sorry the Yohlopitheks are going to shoot down unguided and (or) cluster munitions from MLRS Smerch with the S-300 B1 system ??
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 23 March 2021 20: 35
    +4
    Hmm ... game ... just game ... 1) why would the LPNR corps press and break through an anti-aircraft umbrella if they have no aviation? Someone really believes that the "captured Su-25" can take off? - there won't be much sense in this. 2) To win, you need to destroy armored vehicles and artillery. And for this you need to use cannon and rocket artillery. Or rather, knowing where the shock units are, grind them even before reaching positions with the destruction of fuel and lubricants and ammunition depots, for this you need a lot of shells, UAVs and space reconnaissance data. 3) Bayraktars will not make much of the weather, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine have few of them, and it is a matter of technology to pull up several normal air defense systems across the borders and ground them, since we already have experience.
  • FrankyStein
    FrankyStein 23 March 2021 22: 45
    -1
    This means there will be another downed Malaysian plane, last time they drove up beeches there, now with 300.
  • Yves762
    Yves762 24 March 2021 09: 19
    0
    what
    ......
    stop Someone, remind the other side to close the area for flights of civil aviation, with a margin, otherwise they will again knock the wrong thread.
  • okroshka79
    okroshka79 24 March 2021 09: 36
    0
    I have a question for the specialists. All missiles of Ukrainian air defense systems are still of Soviet production, i.e. thirty years ago. How technically sound are they? As far as I know, there is no verification equipment for the 9M38M1 SAM.
  • svoit
    svoit 24 March 2021 16: 06
    0
    Quote: Griffit
    I am categorically against the use of MLRS on the airfield

    There is a hope that the experience will be taken into account and they will finally shoot not at the squares, but at the UR, even then it was an anachronism
  • Dmitriy66
    Dmitriy66 24 March 2021 22: 16
    +1
    And then he piled up ... the General Staff of Honduras is straight ...
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 25 March 2021 11: 18
    +1
    The Russian army has experience in eliminating enemy air defenses, starting with the war with Georgia in 2008, and such actions have been worked out in Syria. Both electronic warfare systems and missile systems.
  • Uralean
    Uralean 26 March 2021 00: 40
    +2
    Quote: Herrr
    Fantasies there, for example, are:
    As a result, "break through" and suppress the anti-missile umbrella of the Air Force "Square" by means of standard ammunition sets of multiple launch rocket systems "Hurricane" and "Smerch" (not to mention the cannon artillery), which are in service with the rocket artillery divisions of the 1st AK NM DNR , is unlikely to succeed.
    The republics of Donbass have already poperly on Kyiv, or what? laughing

    Ne., We'll wait for you. Let's get up, and sho will be Dillies, like the won will climb, then there will be bude-peppers, first to Kramatorsk with Slavyansk, and then, connecting with Kharkov and Kiev, you can ... fields ..
  • Dmitry Kapustin
    Dmitry Kapustin 26 March 2021 10: 39
    0
    Ukraine will definitely attack Russia. It will not be possible to avoid a war with Ukraine. Yes and run away from
    the aggressor's principle is not ours. This is what the United States and its European lackeys are waiting for. The war will become for the West it
    "the last parade".
  • Bauer
    Bauer 26 March 2021 10: 48
    +2
    150-200 anti-aircraft guided missiles 9М83, 5В55Р and 9М38М1 - their expiration date has long expired, and no one knows where they will fly.
  • lyrics
    lyrics 26 March 2021 11: 45
    0
    Author, how do you thoroughly know about the stock of missiles in the ZRDN at the Armed Forces of Ukraine? And what about the moral and ideological state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? If 80% of the personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not want to fight with their own people and refuse to go to the slaughter in favor of the United States and the Nazis-Bandera, who will sit in the cockpits as HE and replenish the launchers with new products? What are they,?
  • POM
    POM 27 March 2021 07: 46
    0
    Brainstorming on what to do
    Sha to the enemy in the comments will describe the whole alignment
    VO always works for the enemy by giving him analytics in comments
  • fliger85
    fliger85 30 March 2021 13: 30
    0
    Dill must be crushed and the OUN and UPAshnikov must be eliminated.
  • Clerk of the Posolsky Prikaz
    Clerk of the Posolsky Prikaz April 9 2021 07: 57
    0
    Mi8mtpb / PPA of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and others by no means can be compared with ground-based Samarkand and other ground and airborne electronic warfare systems in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. It will be difficult for them even to orient themselves on the terrain, only by the flight map. And there is no point in transferring additional MLRS installations to the LPNR corps. There is a certain "northern" experience for another 14-15 years - we drove in, shot, drove out. And "we are not there." Does the author really think that the decision on the use of troops will be made after the start of the APU offensive? Sits and analyzes what and how much is needed to complete the task.
    each military unit commander has a combat order from the moment the unit begins redeploying “closer to Rostov”. I think the General Staff developed an operation plan back in the mid-20s, calculations of forces and means were made long ago. The warehouses of the Southern Military District have prepared the necessary stocks of equipment, weapons and ammunition. Each commander in secret has a package with a combat order, goals and objectives have long been defined. Nothing will be done just like that, spontaneously, “right off the bat”. Clarifications will be introduced already in the course of the combat mission.
    It is not necessary to engage in shapkozidatelstvo, but also to overestimate the forces of the enemy. They are already afraid of us. Kravchuk, nadys, said on TV that he would shoot back from Goering's Berdan gun to the last bullet. There is no talk about the parade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Red Square and the return of the Kuban, they understand everything perfectly and want to live. To defend the interests of Akhmetov Poroshenko and Zelensky is "not foolish in May." There are, of course, stubborn ones, but “Buratino” should speak to them in their language.
  • va3610
    va3610 April 9 2021 14: 54
    0
    Everything is gone again
  • kriten
    kriten April 10 2021 08: 36
    0
    No one in the Russian government sets the task of truly defending the Donetsk republics, therefore they are not equipped with modern weapons, so that the "democratic" countries are not condemned for interference. They put up the carts: uazes with machine guns - to disperse the nomads.
  • Vatnichek
    Vatnichek 9 May 2021 02: 07
    0
    Why is Damantsev not in the General Staff?