Soldiers of the NKVD troops against German tankers during the Great Patriotic War

One of the myths about the Great Patriotic War is associated with the activities of the NKVD officers. For decades, pseudo-historians have been trying to form a judgment that the NKVD during the Second World War was only engaged in shooting innocent people in the back of the head and driving Soviet soldiers into battle, shooting them in the back with large-caliber machine guns.

Such a lie about the People's Commissariat has really taken root in the heads of many people - to our great regret. Therefore, for most of them, real events become a revelation - the truth about the war. And the truth is that the troops of the NKVD, along with the formations of the Red Army, heroically fought in battles with the Nazis on different fronts.

For example, fighters of the NKVD troops took part in the heroic defense of the Brest Fortress (we are talking about the 132nd NKVD battalion), fought for Minsk and Kiev, held the defense in the Battle of Stalingrad. We must not forget that the NKVD troops at that time also included border guards, who were the first to take the enemy's blow.

There is still no exact data on the losses among the NKVD servicemen during the war. According to the most conservative estimates, the loss of troops amounted to at least 100 thousand people.

The plot of the TacticMedia channel tells about the participation of the 34th regiment of the NKVD troops in battles during the Great Patriotic War. In the plot “History in photography "tells about the" meeting "of the NKVD fighters with tank formations of the Wehrmacht, with the "tank ace" of the enemy troops.

Can one person succeed against a tank.

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[Hunter 2]

How many such aces found their death in Our Land ... rightfully so, no one invited them here!
Eternal Memory to the Warriors who defended Our Motherland, Long years of life to the Defenders who survived!

[Aleks tv]

The 132nd escort (!!!) battalion of the NKVD was excluded from the lists of the active army as completely killed in battles. Fought in the Brest Fortress. They wrote "I am dying, but I am not giving up."

 The 10th division of the internal troops of the NKVD, almost completely died at Stalingrad.

41 border, 287 and 233 escort regiments were almost completely killed in Voronezh. With one rifle (!!!) weapon, the German tanks of the 48th corps were stopped.
When the grenades and cartridges ran out, the professional "wolfhounds" of the NKVD went hand-to-hand with knives. There was also his own "Pavlov's house", and his "Sailors"
The Germans did not pass Voronezh.

And that's just THREE episodes.

So they fought to the death.
Really.

Mass grave 233 regiment number 15 ...

[tasha]

The 132nd battalion of the NKVD was excluded from the lists of the active army as completely killed in battles. Fought in the Brest Fortress.

Our history is full of contradictions. "As of June 22, 1941, according to the research results of the Moscow historian of the special services S. L. Chekunov, the payroll of the battalion was 563 people. 168 of them were in echelon convoys, 8 people were in a planned convoy along the route Brest - Moscow - Brest, about 150 fighters guarded prisons on the periphery, 36 people - in Brest and the fortress, and another 10 were in temporary absence (holidays, training, etc.) If we consider that the command staff and some conscripts lived in the city, then on the last pre-war night there were no more than 120-130 battalion soldiers in the Brest Fortress. "

[ccsr]

Quote: tasha

Considering that the command staff and some conscripts lived in the city, then on the last pre-war night in the Brest Fortress there were no more than 120-130 battalion fighters. "

Unfortunately, this battalion lost its banner, which was captured by the Germans, which is why this battalion was disbanded. This was the only banner in the Brest fortress that the Germans captured, others were taken out or hidden and found after the liberation of the fortress, some of the replacements were lost forever, but unfortunately it was the capture of the banner that caused the NKVD convoy battalion to be disbanded.

[tasha]

but unfortunately it was the capture of the banner that was the reason for the disbandment of the NKVD convoy battalion

Not sure and disagree. The banner was not captured (i.e. taken away) by the Germans during any attack, but was accidentally found on July 2, 1941 in the long-empty battalion barracks. The battalion fighters hid him.
I think we need to look for an order to disband.

[ccsr]

Quote: tasha

The banner was not captured (i.e. taken away) by the Germans during any attack, but was accidentally found on July 2, 1941

This does not play a role in the loss of the banner.

Quote: tasha

I think we need to look for an order to disband.

Of course, it is best to look for an order, but the fact is that German propaganda could have used this photo, and this would definitely be followed by an order to disband.

[tasha]

Everything is possible. And you can't figure it out without documents. Especially when you consider that "on June 23-27, 1941, the battalion headquarters, the 1st line company, separate units of the 2nd and 3rd line companies of the battalion, concentrated in Minsk, were reorganized into the 251st regiment of the convoy troops of the NKVD of the USSR in composed of: unit control, two rifle companies. Basis - the scheme of the mobilization deployment of the convoy troops of the NKVD of the USSR, approved by order of the NKVD of the USSR No. 00313 dated March 25, 1941 "With the announcement of the staffing schedule of wartime escort troops of the NKVD.
They write that the banner was delivered to the city of Linz and on July 14th it was displayed at some event apparently dedicated to the actions of the 45th division.

[tolancop]

As far as I remember the Charter of the Armed Forces, the consequences of the loss of the military banner of the unit are unambiguous, regardless of the reasons for the loss: disbandment. It is described briefly: "..the unit is subject to disbandment, the commander of the unit and the persons directly responsible for the loss, to the court of the military tribunal .." I quote from memory, maybe not literally, but I vouch for the meaning.

[Alex_1973]

They fought not only for Voronezh, Stalingrad and Brest, but practically on the entire front. For example, the soldiers of the 230th escort took part in the defense of my native Rostov-on-Don (I emphasize the CONVOY, that is, according to the version of local liberals and anti-Sovietists, "guardians"). They fought terribly and to death, and the Germans feared them no less than black jackets. The guys were heroic. And probably it was not in vain that the banners of the defeated Nazis were thrown at the foot of the Mausoleum by the soldiers of the NKVD troops.

[tasha]

(I emphasize KONVOYNY, that is, according to the version of local liberals and anti-Sovietists, "guards")

Let it be for you. "Vertuhai" in your comments.
There was an article on the VO about the exploits of the soldiers of the 230th regiment of the NKVD escort troops.
https://topwar.ru/73533-posledniy-rubezh-na-zelenom-ostrove-konvoynyy-polk-stoyal-nasmert.html
And yes, the regiment participated in the deportation of persons of German nationality from the territory of the Rostov and Stalingrad regions, Krasnodar Territory. What was - what was. Russian history is full of contradictions, I repeat. Accept her as she is.

[Alex_1973]

taskha (Mikhail Kitaev)
And yes, the regiment participated in the deportation of persons of German nationality from the territory of the Rostov and Stalingrad regions, Krasnodar Territory. What was - what was.

And what's the big deal? Yes, I did, and WHAT ?! They just followed the order, as they should. Will you say that the order was criminal and honest people do not need to carry it out? One hundred and thirty-three times ha-ha, orders are not discussed, orders are carried out, and whether he is criminal or not, then history will judge. What, there were no traitors among these deported? And, by the way, deportation, this is the mildest form of punishment, could have exterminated everyone without exception, but they did not do it.
To put it mildly, most of the Crimean Tatars took the side of the Nazis and with incredible zeal handed over to the Germans the families of the command staff and the political department of the Red Army, and not only surrendered, but they themselves took a zealous part in the destruction of the Russians, whether they were Bolsheviks or not. What, you say it was not ?! It was, and it was on such a scale that all of them could be destroyed.
Yes, you will say that among them was the family of the twice hero of the USSR, Ahmed Khan Sultan, but with all due respect to this person personally, his exploits cannot cover all the atrocities and meannesses that the Crimean Tatars have done in their mass. AND THIS IS ALSO THE TRUTH, which they preferred to suppress. Just as they hushed up the truth about the Bandera and forest brothers, how they hushed up the truth about our type of "brothers" who later entered the Warsaw bloc, about the Romanians who committed atrocities worse than the Germans - they forgot about the army of Craiova - they forgot. We have forgotten a lot of things for the sake of the political conjuncture, and now we slurp a full spoon of this shit.
I say it again, Comrade Stalin was a great humanist, not a bloody tyrant, in his place many would prefer to completely cleanse some peoples, but he only deported them, and then, not so much in order to punish them as in order to preserve them. , otherwise they would have been destroyed by the people themselves, who fought against this viper.

[tasha]

Russian history is full of contradictions, I repeat. Accept her as she is.

[Vovk]

Quote: Alex_1973

What, there were no traitors among these deported? And, by the way, deportation, this is the mildest form of punishment, could have exterminated everyone without exception, but they did not do it.

There was something else - what now corrupt historians are trying to erase.
Lvov because of the capture by the Germans in 1941 of the NKVD without trial and investigation were shot inmates of all prisons in the city.
Kharkov by the NKVD in 1941 burned prisoners together with the prison without trial or investigation.

Will we also write this down in the "glorious deeds" of the NKVD escort troops?
Do the authors suggest proud of it too?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

They gave us "fraternal communist parties" and "fraternal Slavic peoples." And they hammered into their heads that we all owe them. Themselves lived in poverty, the whole country was destroyed and "brothers" - fed.

[alexzeit]

you ought to be destroyed, there are no brains and it seems there will be no The creatures are accustomed to shoot their citizens without trial or investigation, and imprison them in prisons. Then it is not surprising that the ROA was a million in number. Where are we going to send the Russians, darned humanist?

[your1970]

Quote: Alex_1973

What, among these deported there were no traitors?

-among Germans- very little

Quote: tasha

And yes, the regiment participated in the deportation persons of German nationality from the territory of Rostov and Stalingrad regions, Krasnodar Territory. What was - what was.

Germans began to be deported not for betrayal - as Crimean Tatars, Ingush and others, and on a national basis - as possible (!!!) accomplices. Deportation began on 28.08.1941 ...
Likewise, the United States drove its Japanese into camps - preventively
So it is one thing, well-deserved by betrayal, desertion and betrayal, the deportation of some, and to put it mildly, quite another - the deportation of the Germans.

[Rostov Papa]

On the Green Island. They stood to death.

[Malyuta]

Quote: Alex_1973

And probably it was not in vain that the banners of the defeated Nazis were thrown at the foot of the Mausoleum by the soldiers of the NKVD troops.

I am very sorry, but representatives of all types and branches of the army threw fascist banners at the foot of the Mausoleum.

[polk-66]

At the foot of the Mausoleum, fascist banners were thrown by the servicemen of the OMSDON VV of the NKVD of the USSR (now the ODON of the Russian Guard)

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Aleks tv

The 132nd escort (!!!) battalion of the NKVD was excluded from the lists of the active army as completely killed in battles. Fought in the Brest Fortress. They wrote "I am dying, but I am not giving up."

 The 10th division of the internal troops of the NKVD, almost completely died at Stalingrad.

41 border, 287 and 233 escort regiments were almost completely killed in Voronezh. With one rifle (!!!) weapon, the German tanks of the 48th corps were stopped.
When the grenades and cartridges ran out, the professional "wolfhounds" of the NKVD went hand-to-hand with knives. There was also his own "Pavlov's house", and his "Sailors"
The Germans did not pass Voronezh.

And that's just THREE episodes.

So they fought to the death.
Really.

Mass grave 233 regiment number 15 ...

By the way, there were a lot of Stalingraders in the 132nd battalion of the NKVD in Brest.
http://www.sgvavia.ru/forum/150-7351-1

[Aleks tv]

. a lot of Stalingraders.
http://www.sgvavia.ru/forum/150-7351-1

Greetings, Aron.

Interesting link.
The most real name-calling memories.
Yeah, that's impressive.
Thank you.

[boris epstein]

October 1942-February 1943. The AVNKVD (Army of the NKVD Troops) was formed. On February 5 it was renamed the 70th combined-arms army and equated to the guards. According to the state, it should have included 70 people, in fact, 000 people were almost a full staff. She fought as part of the Central, 69236nd Belorussian, 2st Belorussian fronts. She participated in the Battle of Kursk, Polesie, Belorussian, East Prussian, East Pomeranian and Berlin operations. In addition to her, during the defense of Sevastopol, Kiev, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Moscow regiments and divisions of the NKVD were formed, which fought on the front line. had no relationship. By order number 1, the detachments were formed from the combined-arms armies that occupied this area of ​​defense. The border guards were also part of the NKVD. NONE of the frontier posts retreated without an order! The first liberated Soviet city in the Great Patriotic War - Przemysl. He was liberated on June 227, 23 by a combined detachment from parts of the 1941th Infantry Division and the NKVD troops. The detachment was commanded by a senior lieutenant of the NKVD, Palivoda. Translated from the ranks of the NKVD to the field-lieutenant colonel.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

When the grenades and cartridges ran out, the professional "wolfhounds" of the NKVD

According to USKV-39 escort troops

have their purpose:
a) escorting persons detained for violating the laws of the Soviet
socialist state;
b) the implementation of external protection of the NKVD prisons, the list of which is established by the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR.

HF were completed by conscription. What other "professional wolfhounds" are there?

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

HF were completed by conscription. What other "professional wolfhounds" are there?

Yes, wolfhounds.

It was not easy to get into the NKVD troops.
Conscripts - strict selection according to various criteria.
The officers are real pros.
For example, the 233rd regiment, before almost completely falling in Voronezh, managed to work out the following (except for convoys):
- fought with Western nationalists,
- formed fighter detachments for operations behind enemy lines, individual subunits and sniper teams of the regiment participated in hostilities at the front. 
- fought with saboteurs. For example, from November 1 to December 8, 1941, while guarding the military rear of the 21A regiment, 16 agents of German intelligence were detained.

This is the story of this shelf offhand, read it if you're interested.

In addition to performing certain tasks in peacetime, they were also trained for wartime tasks, during which the staffing table also changed.

[Glory1974]

Yes, wolfhounds.
It was not easy to get into the NKVD troops.
Conscripts - strict selection according to various criteria.
The officers are real pros

I don't remember exactly the quote, but the meaning is this.
When Stalin was asked to assign the rank of guards to the NKVD units that distinguished themselves in battles, he said: "Our best fighters serve in the NKVD, who in fact are already all guards. Therefore, it makes no sense to assign this rank to them."
Therefore, there were no NKVD guards units, although it goes without saying that they all distinguished themselves in battles due to their training.
By the way, the sniper movement also began with the NKVD troops, where, according to the pre-war states, sniper pairs were introduced in the units.

[Proxima]

The fact remains that the NKVD units were the most combat-ready formations. This was especially evident in the chaos of the summer and autumn of 41.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Hunter 2

How many such aces found their death in Our Land

How many such UNKNOWN heroes were on the battlefields. But it was they who broke the back of the Wehrmacht. Our eternal gratitude and memory to them. I passed this on to my children, and I pass it on to my grandchildren. This is our duty to the heroes of the Second World War.

[The leader of the Redskins]

It seems to me that it is incorrect to judge the essence by some particular criterion - in this case, by belonging to the NKVD. In any case, in any army, at all times, there were heroes, scoundrels, traitors, workers.
You can't say with one stroke of the pen - these are good fellows, but these are cowards!

[tatra]

BUT the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people slandered the workers of the Cheka-NKVD-KGB. And they do not even understand the meaning of their anti-Soviet methodology. Is that why they were shooting in the backs of their soldiers? When soldiers go into battle, there is no point in shooting their soldiers in the back, and when soldiers are fleeing from the battlefield, so why wait for them to run past the detachment to shoot them in the back?

[Zakirov Damir]

There is still no exact data on the losses among the NKVD servicemen during the war. According to the most conservative estimates, the loss of troops amounted to at least 100 thousand people.

Why not? Read Krivosheev:
11 444 100 losses of army, navy and NKVD troops (including border troops)
MINUS
11 losses of the army and navy
Total: 158 900.

[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

When a regime is changed, what happens is that the new regime plays down the achievements of the old and tarnishes its memory.

[Essex62]

On Lubyanskaya Square, where Iron Felix stood, they laid a tile. The bourgeoisie hates the memory of the dictatorship of the proletariat.

[Lech from Android.]

The NKVD troops in the Second World War were one of the most persistent parts of the Red Army.
How many read about them I have never met descriptions of their weakness or cowardice ... they always went into battle with the enemy without fear or reproach.
My respect and respect for the employees of the NKVD who fought against the Nazis and their accomplices.
Moreover, there were NKVD officers who made an indelible impression on me with their brilliance and professionalism.
https://egor--23-livejournal-com.turbopages.org/turbo/egor-23.livejournal.com/s/313951.html

[Bolt cutter]

there were employees of the NKVD who, with their brilliance and professionalism, made an indelible impression on me.

How old are you?

[Lech from Android.]

For half a century I have already passed it.

[Bolt cutter]

It's just that the NKVD ceased to exist in 1946, and according to your words, it turns out that you personally saw them in action.

[Lech from Android.]

according to your words, it turns out that you personally saw them in the case.

I read about one NKVD officer who died near Moscow. He organized a partisan detachment ... but fate turned so that he was wounded and was taken prisoner by the Fritzes ... the Nazis subjected him to torture that it is better not to describe ... when I read all this I passed mentally through myself ... I thought if I could endure all this ... he never broke ... these bastards shot him ... died a hero.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Do not get tired of gushing with pathos.

Quote: Lech from Android.

when I read all this, I mentally passed it through myself ... I thought if I could bear it all ...

So how? Halfway between the sofa and the fridge, they decided, 'Yes! could!' or 'no, could not .. ((('

[siemens7774]

I advise you to read Guderian's memoirs. In August, there was already an order not to enter into a military clash with units of the NKVD. To bypass and, if possible, simply squeeze out of positions by semi-encirclement. Since September, there has already been a strict order not to take NKVD soldiers prisoner. According to Guderian and Schellenberg, for the whole the war could not break off the troops of the NKVD.

[tasha]

Gennady, poke your nose where there is such an indication in Guderian's memoirs. And about the order of captivity, if not difficult, please.

[siemens7774]

Memoirs of a German general - Heinz Guderian. The release of the book Moscow Tsentrpoligraf 2005. 572 pages. It is necessary to start reading from 218 pages. By the way, the same description is in Hausser's memoirs - Hitler's black guard. SS troops in action.

[tasha]

Gennady, I'm not sure that Heinz Guderian ordered to attack the rest of the Red Army head-on, namely the NKVD units - to squeeze out and semi-circle.
Gennady, I have, let's say, an electronic version Give at least the beginning of the quote.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: siemens7774

Memoirs of a German general - Heinz Guderian. Publication of the book Moscow Centerpolygraph 2005, 572 pp.

Something new. This, like, Tsentrpoligraf Poligrafovich so freely translated Erinnerungen eines Soldaten, whether? Or is it your personal fantasy?

[tasha]

The edition is. Probably not to be confused with the heavily edited 1954 translation.

Offhand I looked at two options - it looks like the matter is in the copyright for the book. Until I saw the difference in translations.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

To go nuts.
'And what, so it was possible?' ©

[rocket757]

EVERYONE fought. At the front, in the rear.
Wherever it was required for the MOTHERLAND.

[Konnick]

At the beginning of July 1941, the 42nd separate convoy brigade of the NKVD Troops held the crossings and the eastern bank of the Berezina River at a front up to 15 km. As part of the brigade, from the first day of the war, the combined company of the 236th regiment operated. Early in the morning of July 2, the enemy opened hurricane fire from all types of weapons on a platoon of heavy machine guns and an infantry platoon of junior lieutenant V.N.Kustarev. Soon one tankette, two armored vehicles, motorcyclists and infantrymen began to cross the bridge. Platoon leader Kustarev decided to delay the crossing. He ordered Corporal Mikhail Markovichenko to destroy the armored vehicles. Markovichenko moved forward onto the road and lay down. After waiting, when the armored car was already 10 - 15 meters away, the corporal threw a bunch of grenades under the wheels of the car. The enemy armored car rolled down a slope. He shot the Germans who jumped out of the car with a rifle.

Soon a wedge heel, a second armored vehicle and motorcyclists appeared. Corporal Markovichenko threw the second bunch of grenades. The platform stopped. Junior lieutenants Kustarev and Kuryshev, together with Markovichenko, set fire to a tankette and an armored vehicle with armor-piercing bullets, and the motorcyclists, abandoning their vehicles, fled. Many German soldiers were killed in this battle from the well-aimed bullets of Soviet soldiers from Kustarev's platoon.

In November 1941, the commander of a squadron of a separate battalion of tank destroyers, Sergeant M.S.Markovichenko, was presented by the command of the unit to a reward for this battle and the destruction of 50 enemy soldiers and officers from a sniper rifle - the Order of the Red Banner. Order No. 54 of February 21, 1942 for the troops of the 29th Army of the Kalinin Front was awarded the Order of the Red Star.

This is from the site about the best snipers
http://soviet-aces-1936-53.ru/snipers/abc/m/markovichn.htm

These heroes are already in the photo from 1942. Photo from the site
https://waralbum.ru/238815/

[Red Alert]

Quote: Lech from Android.

The NKVD troops in the Second World War were one of the most persistent parts of the Red Army.
How many read about them I have never met descriptions of their weakness or cowardice ... they always went into battle with the enemy without fear or reproach.
My respect and respect for the employees of the NKVD who fought against the Nazis and their accomplices.
Moreover, there were NKVD officers who made an indelible impression on me with their brilliance and professionalism.
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Mostly ideological communists served in the NKVD. Hence the hatred of the Nazis

[Lech from Android.]

I am not a communist, but I would try to fight the Nazis just like them. I always respect the courage of a person in the face of death.
This quality cannot be attributed to the idea, much depends on the personality of the person himself.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Red Alert

Mostly ideological communists served in the NKVD.

With what fright? On June 1, 1941. NKVD troops numbered 380 thousand personnel. What, all completely "ideological communists", or what?

[Red Alert]

Quote: Lech from Android.

I am not a communist, but I would try to fight the Nazis just like them. I always respect the courage of a person in the face of death.
This quality cannot be attributed to the idea, much depends on the personality of the person himself.

Under Nazism, there will be the same capitalism as now. It's just that the dirtiest jobs will be performed by "inferior races", and free of charge. For a communist, such an order is unacceptable.

[Red Alert]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Quote: Red Alert

Mostly ideological communists served in the NKVD.

With what fright? On June 1, 1941. NKVD troops numbered 380 thousand personnel. What, all completely "ideological communists", or what?

And where did I say that everything? Not all of them, of course, but many. Or do you mean to say that the courage of the NKVD fighters came from nowhere?

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Red Alert

... Or do you mean to say that the courage of the NKVD fighters came from nowhere?

Are you trying to say here that courage is taken only from the membership card? Are you serious? And the non-partisans, for fear of the tribunal, did they fight?

Quote: Red Alert

Not all of them, of course, but many.

Can you cite statistics on members of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks and non-party members of the NKVD troops? Or should you take your guesses on faith?

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

With what fright? On June 1, 1941. NKVD troops numbered 380 thousand personnel. What, all completely "ideological communists", or what?

How many were in the ranks at the end of the war?
The fact is that in the balance sheet of Krivosheev 1 "Aimed at replenishing the NKVD troops, special formations of other departments", there are two teams:
1. Troops of the NKVD in the ranks on 1.7.1945;
2. "Workers of civilian departments allocated to meet the needs of the army" - those who died in the course of hostilities (approximately 65), died in captivity (approximately 000) and X - who agreed to cooperate.

Knowing the exact number of the NKVD, you can determine a different composition.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Damir Zakirov

How many were in the ranks at the end of the war?

What does the end of the war have to do with it? It was about the initial period

Quote: Damir Zakirov

Knowing the exact number of the NKVD, you can determine a different composition.

What is the 'other composition'?

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.

Quote: Damir Zakirov

How many were in the ranks at the end of the war?

What does the end of the war have to do with it? It was about the initial period

Quote: Damir Zakirov

Knowing the exact number of the NKVD, you can determine a different composition.

What is the 'other composition'?

Read carefully again. If you don't know, then there are no questions.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: Damir Zakirov

If you don't know, then there are no questions.

Pfft ... My reply was originally to the pretentious nonsense that in the ranks of the NKVD there were mostly 'ideological communists'. You started here about some 'other lineup'. What 'composition' is that? Ideological communists or unprincipled non-party people?

[VyacheSeymour]

There were places where the Germans could not cross the border for a long time, dozens of outposts were killed in full force ... - it was not for nothing that the order was not to take the green "rings and buttonholes" prisoner. My maternal grandfather
(at the beginning of the war, the head of one of the outposts near Kushka) already at the end of June in the forests of Belarus, at the head of a small team of hodgepodge, left the encirclement ...

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: VyacheSeymour

(at the beginning of the war, the head of one of the outposts near Kushka) already at the end of June in the forests of Belarus, at the head of a small team of hodgepodge, left the encirclement

And how did he manage to get surrounded by Kushka ??? The Wehrmacht was advancing in Turkestan ???

[VyacheSeymour]

And how did he manage to get surrounded by Kushka ??? The Wehrmacht was advancing in Turkestan ???

No, I didn't.
"... already at the end of June in the forests of Belarus at the head of a small team hodgepodge came out of the encirclement ... "
You should be more attentive when reading ... No offense, you will be told.
In the very first days, the border guards, leaving the minimum required personnel at the outposts, were transferred to the front and immediately entered into battle.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

Quote: VyacheSeymour

In the very first days, the border guards, leaving the minimum required personnel at the outposts, were transferred to the front and immediately entered into battle.

Wait a minute ... Border guards from the Turkmen Border District became part of the 41st Rifle Division and 243 Rifle Division formed at the end of July. How in the end June Was your maternal grandfather surrounded in Belarus on the move?

[VyacheSeymour]

Grandfather is gone for 42 years now ... I can be wrong - the boy is either June or July ... But I know for sure that he got out of the environment
in Belarus, the first wound near Smolensk ... But, he fought until the last wound in 1944 in the cavalry, under the command of Pliev, Dovator. So it is not necessary 243 rifle division ... I could be wrong about the transfer from Kushka, but I could have been recalled from vacation at the place of residence in Grozny, so there could have been a 50th cavalry division ... - Unfortunately, there is no one to ask now .. In the vastness of the network, I dug only an award for the Order of the Patriotic War.
Therefore, you should not engage in literalism and flaunt knowledge: - if there is something to tell me about my not knowing, not knowing? - tell me ... leave my grandfather.

[your1970]

Quote: VyacheSeymour

: - if you have something to tell me about my not knowing, not knowing? - tell me ...

they told you that even on a plane he could not have time to get from Kushka to the border in Belarus, get surrounded and start getting out of it - for 8 days
I went from military service in peacetime from Ashgabat to Saratov - almost three days, from Kushka to Ashgabat almost a day.
From Saratov to Moscow - a day by train now and to the border from Moscow a day
1 + 3 + 1 + 1 = 6 days in peacetime on a passenger train that easily did 90 km / h and without taking into account transfers and other red tape.
Movement in 1941 was much slower

[tolancop]

Quote: Red Alert

Mostly ideological communists served in the NKVD. Hence the hatred of the Nazis

But the NKVD didn’t take unprincipled communists or what? Or is hatred of the Nazis a sign of an ideological communist? And what about the Komsomol members? And ideological and unprincipled.
You wrote nonsense. Utterly. Where they were called, there they served. There must have been a selection, but obviously not by membership card.

[Captain45]

For example, fighters of the NKVD troops took part in the heroic defense of the Brest Fortress (we are talking about the 132nd NKVD battalion), fought for Minsk and Kiev, held the defense in the Battle of Stalingrad.(C)
And also the defense of Tula, Murmansk and along the entire border, the border guards, who were part of the NKVD troops at that time, stood to death.

[Alsur]

Quote: Red Alert

The ideological communists served the main purpose. Hence the hatred of the Nazis

And in your understanding, an ideological communist, is this something terrible?