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In the US press: Russians set the task to defend the Northern Sea Route

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The American press is discussing the growth of military activity in the Arctic. Forbes, in its military-thematic section, points out that the US Air Force is increasing the number of bases in the northern direction, and are engaged in, among other things, restoring those that have not been used for decades. In the same edition, the author writes that Russia is doing the same.


The article states that one of the main activities of the Russian Federation in the Arctic is associated with the cover of the Northern Sea Route.

From the article:

The Russians have set the task of protecting the Northern Sea Route, which is increasingly important for Moscow in connection with the prospects opening up against the backdrop of global warming.

The American press points out that Russia is using various modifications of MiG-31 interceptors, deploying them in the Arctic territories, including to "cover" the NSR.

Also, Su-24 bombers and aircraft are being transferred to the Arctic for aerial reconnaissance.

The American author writes that at the same time, the US Air Force redeployed several of its strategic B-1B bombers to an airfield in Norway, a NATO member. This happened for the first time in a very long period.

It is noted that in the area of ​​the Russian-Norwegian border, the growth of military activity of the United States and the Russian Federation "is becoming difficult not to notice."

We will remind that earlier "Voennoe Obozreniye" reported on how ordinary Norwegians living in the north of the country react to this. Many say that "the civilian population is getting smaller and the military is getting bigger." At the same time, people want the country's authorities not to escalate the situation, but to conduct a constructive dialogue with Russia and build good-neighborly relations.
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  1. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 21 March 2021 08: 09
    +6
    Everything from the edges of the country to the North Pole is ours, we defend ours if anything.
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 21 March 2021 08: 17
      +8
      Under the USSR, no one disputed the border of the "polar possessions", because fuck nobody needed these "possessions".
      We somehow got used to owning, and now we can protect.
      From everyone there ... in general, mouths open. On OUR !!!
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 21 March 2021 08: 47
        +3
        The Russians set the task of protecting the Northern Sea Route

        What audacity! And, most importantly, how dare you? Nobody gave them the slightest reason. All these attempts to create a semblance of an icebreaker fleet capable of resisting the Russian one; all these easy submarine trips in northern latitudes:

        ordinary curiosity.
        And, the Long Range Discrimination Radar (LRDR), which the Americans are building in Alaska (like the missile defense system in Europe) and are planning to launch this year, is needed to repel a possible missile strike from Iran or North Korea.
        ==========
        There is no faith in constantly lying. Nope!
        1. Machito
          Machito 21 March 2021 10: 09
          +5
          Russia is strengthening the defenses of the Northern Sea Route in response to the growing military power of Iran and the DPRK. Armed icebreaker Papanin is needed to defend against North Korea. We should place a couple of hundred more missiles with nuclear warheads in Cuba in order to guarantee our sovereignty from the DPRK.
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 21 March 2021 10: 26
            -2
            Quote: Bearded
            We should place a couple of hundred more missiles with nuclear warheads in Cuba

            Why are these fantasies? For the sake of likes on VO? Even in the days of the USSR, when there were very friendly relations with Cuba. not posted. And now, after we betrayed Cuba and abandoned it, even dreaming about such a stupid thing.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 21 March 2021 15: 01
              +2
              Quote: Piramidon
              Why are these fantasies? For the sake of likes on VO?

              And who said that the development of mutually beneficial cooperation with Cuba is a fantasy? Cooling down relations is an unsettled foreign policy. Search and change of friends for "partners" for selfish interests.
              Quote: Piramidon
              And now, after we betrayed Cuba and abandoned it, even dreaming about such a stupid thing.

              And, how do you like such "nonsense":
              Only 8 states confirmed the official recognition of Crimea as part of Russia: Venezuela; Cuba; Nicaragua; DPRK (North Korea); Syria; Sudan; Palestine; Afghanistan.
              Russia has written off debts to Cuba for $ 29.
              Russia has something to pay for the naval base in Cuba, and Cuba is interested in Russian technology.
              It is foolish to expect that they will bring you "on a silver platter." For the sake of the big, you can make small concessions. And MGIMO trains specialists who are able to smooth out irregularities and roughnesses through the language of diplomacy.
              Probably, it is with these eight states that we need to start.
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 21 March 2021 15: 10
                -1
                And all that you have listed gives us the right and the opportunity to deploy "a couple of hundred missiles with nuclear warheads" in Cuba?
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 21 March 2021 15: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  And all that you have listed makes it possible to deploy "a couple of hundred missiles with nuclear warheads" in Cuba?

                  For a start, it would be nice to build a naval base. Venezuela is near. The oil refinery would have made it possible to dispose of fuel for the fleet and aviation ... The main thing is not to deploy all the missiles at once, but to start restoring cooperation. What is the status of a naval ship in the roadstead? Is it in Cuba or around? We do not raise a squeal and tolerate calls to the Black Sea by American Navy ships.
            2. Warrior-80
              Warrior-80 21 March 2021 22: 41
              +1
              You probably do not know the history well, in essence several missiles were transferred to Cuba and they were there, photos are publicly available, but not deployed without prepared positions, but this resulted in the greatest victory in the Cold War of the USSR, in exchange for the refusal to deploy our missiles in Cuba the positions of the US medium-range missiles in Europe and the ban on their deployment there were curtailed, I will clarify not all missiles, but the US position in Europe has fallen dramatically
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 21 March 2021 10: 14
          +1
          Quote: ROSS 42
          What audacity! And, most importantly, how dare you? Nobody gave them the slightest reason. All these attempts to create a semblance of an icebreaker fleet capable of resisting the Russian one; all those easy submarine walks in northern latitudes: a common curiosity.
          Yeah. It will be difficult for them to master the Arctic without an auxiliary detachment with chainsaws to dig holes for their submarines in the ice. This is how it should be

        3. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 21 March 2021 12: 09
          0
          Quote: ROSS 42
          all these easy submarine trips in northern latitudes:

          According to the video:
          I would like to see the reaction of the Americans if our "Shark" would have surfaced next to them.
          1. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 21 March 2021 15: 04
            0
            Quote: Bad_gr
            I would like to see the reaction of the Americans if our "Shark" would have surfaced next to them.

            And if from an icebreaker ... thermobaric ... on the intruder? belay
    2. Mitroha
      Mitroha 21 March 2021 08: 37
      +9
      We were taught at school like this:

      From the North, nothing seems to have changed. Therefore - Hands off our territory
      1. dorz
        dorz 21 March 2021 08: 49
        +2
        Since 1984, the annual volume of world oil production has exceeded the volume of newly discovered reserves. If you do not launch expensive deep-sea projects and the Arctic shelf, then on schedule by 2050, the newly explored reserves will be 0 barrels.

        By controlling oil, you control entire states. By controlling food, you control the people.

        Henry Kissinger
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 21 March 2021 09: 54
          +4
          Quote: dorz
          If you do not launch expensive deep-sea projects and the Arctic shelf,

          So please, on the rights of a shareholder, but they want it themselves, alone.
          I have not heard proposals to develop the Arctic jointly, but cries about Russia, which is constantly militalizing the Arctic. And how to talk to them?
          "Into the garden, all into the garden" ©
    3. Clear
      Clear 21 March 2021 09: 01
      +6
      In the US press: Russians set the task to defend the Northern Sea Route

      A. How do you want? The bear must and will protect the entrance to its cave properly.
  2. Terenin
    Terenin 21 March 2021 08: 10
    +8
    At the same time, people want the country's authorities not to escalate the situation, but to conduct a constructive dialogue with Russia and build good-neighborly relations.

    On the one hand - the people of Norway, on the other - the demoniac Biden ..., they (the people) are interested to know who will overpower?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 21 March 2021 08: 19
      +4
      Nobody will listen to Aboriginal Norwegians, in case of war their opinion is not decisive.
      The war with Russia seems to them to be something distant and safe for them.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 21 March 2021 08: 21
        +6
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Nobody will listen to Aboriginal Norwegians, in case of war their opinion is not decisive.
        The war with Russia seems to them to be something distant and safe for them.

        Here I am about the same hi
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 March 2021 08: 25
    +4
    Everything up to the North Pole from the coastline of Russia to the north is all ours. And this is the natural desire of the state to protect this territory. Meanwhile, in the Arctic part of Canada, in which no one lives! The exercises of the United States and Canada are carried out, posing a threat not only to everything free shipping, but also polar bears with arctic foxes. Threatening degeneration into a major confrontation with Icebergs and the Labrodor Current. American demands need to think about the consequences, the northern white fur-bearing animal does not forgive insults!
    1. Clear
      Clear 21 March 2021 09: 04
      +9
      Quote: tralflot1832
      American needs need to think about the consequences, the northern white fur-bearing animal does not forgive insults!

      Impudence is not peculiar to pondering. She only responds to fear.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 21 March 2021 12: 00
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Everything that is to the North Pole from the coastline of Russia to the north is all ours.

      Well, you snapped it over the edge, and no one in other countries will agree with this:
      There is no international treaty defining the legal status of the Arctic. The legal status of the Arctic territories is governed by the norms of international law, the national legislation of the Arctic states and bilateral agreements. According to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, each of the countries has the right to apply to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf and expand their territories up to 200 nautical miles (370,4 km) from the coast and beyond.
      Russia applied for the expansion of its Arctic shelf in 2001 and 2015, following additional research. The study of the application began in August 2016 and a decision is expected to be made within two to four years. In 2013, Canada filed for an extension of its Atlantic shelf, while also saying it would later make claims for a portion of the seabed outside of the 200-mile Arctic Ocean Exclusive Economic Zone. Denmark submitted a number of applications, the last one in 2014.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 March 2021 12: 04
        -1
        And they have icebreakers to make claims. In Canada, 90% of the population lives along the border with the United States.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 21 March 2021 12: 14
          +2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And they have icebreakers to make claims. In Canada, 90% of the population lives along the border with the United States.

          It's about legal law, not who owns the icebreakers now. Moreover, if the warming continues until the end of the 21st century, as our meteorologists predict, then icebreakers will not be needed soon.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 21 March 2021 12: 16
            0
            Westerners have a different opinion, the Gulf Stream is slowing down. Who to believe?
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 21 March 2021 12: 26
              +1
              Quote: tralflot1832
              Westerners have a different opinion, the Gulf Stream is slowing down. Who to believe?

              Only to believe yourself - the rest are sideways. In any case, we are doomed to this sea route, which means that it must be developed with any forecasts.
      2. Zhenya Khazarsky
        Zhenya Khazarsky 21 March 2021 12: 22
        +4
        All these UN Conventions work exactly until the moment someone decides to exercise the right of the "strong".
        We saw, we remember ...
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  5. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 21 March 2021 08: 37
    -8
    one of the main activities of the Russian Federation in the Arctic is associated with the cover of the Northern Sea Route.

    Foolishness toil. There's nothing to cover up there yet. And it will not appear soon.
    The number of ships passing through the NSR per year is equal to the throughput of the Suez Canal in ten hours.
    All forecasts today are based on the only rather shaky assumption that with global warming in 30-40-50 years the NSR perhaps will become more convenient for shipping.
    It would be good, but only the infrastructure development along the NSR will require the most ambitious investments of funds, forces and resources in terms of their scope and cost, and so far no one is ready for investments with such a distant aim and absolutely not guaranteed return on investment. hi
    1. dSK
      dSK 21 March 2021 08: 44
      +2
      Huge reserves of oil and gas, for which there are a lot of contenders ...
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 March 2021 09: 00
        -5
        Quote: dsk
        Huge reserves of oil and gas, for which there are a lot of contenders ...

        Be realistic dsk. These reserves cannot be reached - there are no roads. Not to swim - not a single country in the world except the Russian Federation has appropriate icebreakers and will not appear in the next thirty years. And not even fly ... Although it is probably possible to fly, but there is nowhere to land.
        These reserves still need to be developed, that in the arctic conditions and with permafrost there is still a problem, this is not to mention the complete absence of the necessary energy capacities.
        1. Clear
          Clear 21 March 2021 09: 06
          +6
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Quote: dsk
          Huge reserves of oil and gas, for which there are a lot of contenders ...

          Be realistic dsk. These reserves cannot be reached - there are no roads. Not to swim - not a single country in the world except the Russian Federation has appropriate icebreakers and will not appear in the next thirty years. And not even fly ... Although it is probably possible to fly, but there is nowhere to land.
          These reserves still need to be developed, that in the arctic conditions and with permafrost there is still a problem, this is not to mention the complete absence of the necessary energy capacities.

          Yeah, everything is bad there, but for some reason everyone wants to go to the Arctic.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 21 March 2021 09: 57
            0
            Quote: Clear
            Yeah, everything is bad there, but for some reason everyone wants to go to the Arctic.

            How are these ALL striving? Have you opened any old, long-closed bases? Moved some bombers?
            You can see for yourself that not a single person could argue with anything on the topic of the discussion. Rudeness, yes, it is present. But not more. And I do not respond to boorish attacks and trolling. hi
            1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
              Sidor Amenpodestovich 21 March 2021 10: 04
              +3
              Quote: A. Privalov
              How are these ALL striving? Have you opened any old, long-closed bases? Moved some bombers?

              If no one strives, why do the Americans and the British constantly talk that they will strive by all means to ensure freedom of navigation in the NSR?
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 21 March 2021 10: 43
              0
              Well, when you stop here to teach everyone with a smart look and rudeness will disappear. We are trying. We are building factories there. Will it suit you?
        2. Xenofont
          Xenofont 21 March 2021 09: 57
          +4
          Have you forgotten about floating nuclear power plants? They are building for the North. All your reasoning is built on the sand of speculation.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 21 March 2021 10: 04
            -3
            Quote: Xenofont
            Have you forgotten about floating nuclear power plants? They are building for the North. All your reasoning is built on the sand of speculation.

            I don’t mind. Then, smash the sand of my guesses with reinforced concrete facts.
            1. aszzz888
              aszzz888 21 March 2021 11: 12
              +1
              A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
              Today, 10:04 ...

              read at your leisure. There, Russia piled concretely on your "sand of assumptions". tongue

              Russia officially published plans for the Northern Sea Route
              The Government of the Russian Federation has published the "Plan for the Development of Infrastructure of the Northern Sea Route for the Period up to 2035" (Plan) - a shipping route through the Arctic ice connecting Europe and Asia.
        3. Mitroha
          Mitroha 21 March 2021 09: 58
          +3
          Quote: A. Privalov
          no country in the world, except for the Russian Federation, has appropriate icebreakers and will not appear in the next thirty years.

          This is what pisses everyone off, you too?
        4. Piramidon
          Piramidon 21 March 2021 10: 36
          +2
          Quote: A. Privalov
          These reserves cannot be reached - there are no roads.

          We are talking about offshore oil. What roads could there be? For this, Russia is replenishing its icebreaker fleet.
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 21 March 2021 11: 33
            -1

            Piramidon (Stepan. Russia)
            Today, 10: 36

            +1
            Quote: A. Privalov
            These reserves cannot be reached - there are no roads.

            We are talking about offshore oil. What roads could there be? For this, Russia is replenishing its icebreaker fleet.
            Maybe he was thinking about camel caravans? wink
          2. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 21 March 2021 11: 35
            +1
            Quote: Piramidon
            We are talking about offshore oil. What roads could there be? For this, Russia is replenishing its icebreaker fleet.


            The Arctic operates only one Russian platform - Prirazlomnaya. In 2019, 3,1 million tons of oil were produced here. All forecasts of offshore production are quite optimistic, but the calculation is exclusively for a rather long term - 2035-2040. This is exactly what I said before. There is nothing really there today.

            Here are just some of the difficulties that offshore oil production faces, but which significantly increase the cost of the process and make its production unprofitable:

            Speaking of icebreakers. You are absolutely right. The icebreaker fleet is actively replenishing and expanding. However, it has a very indirect relationship to shelf oil. They are prepared to be able to maintain the operability of the EMS. hi
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon 21 March 2021 13: 32
              0
              Quote: A. Privalov
              The icebreaker fleet is actively replenishing and expanding. However, it has a very indirect relationship to shelf oil. They are prepared for the possibility of maintaining the operability of the NSR.

              Through which hydrocarbons produced on the shelf will be transported and are already being transported. Or are they being transported along some other route? request
              Is the Arctic better visible from Israel than from Russia?
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 21 March 2021 13: 48
                +2
                Quote: Piramidon
                Through which the produced hydrocarbons will be transported and are already being transported. Or will they be transported along some other route? Is the Arctic better visible from Israel than from Russia?

                And who has such heavy, reinforced ice-class tankers that can sail along the NSR? Even cleared by an icebreaker.
                The absolutely unnecessary attack on Israel here - I'll leave it on your conscience.
                1. Mountain shooter
                  Mountain shooter 21 March 2021 17: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: A. Privalov
                  And who has such heavy, reinforced ice-class tankers that can sail along the NSR?

                  We already have ice-class LNG carriers. And even managed to go through the eastern route to China with a cargo of LNG. IN WINTER! And without icebreaker escort. And they are being built one by one by a new shipyard in the Far East. "Zvezda", it seems ... So far in cooperation with YK, but localization is increasing. And how are tankers so different from gas carriers? The design of the tanks?
        5. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 21 March 2021 18: 25
          +3
          Quote: A. Privalov
          These reserves still need to be developed, which is still a task in arctic conditions and permafrost,

          Yamalgaz, Cape Kamenny - got there, rebuilt, mining
          Quote: A. Privalov
          I'm not even talking about the complete absence of the necessary energy capacities

          For example, the floating nuclear power plant Academician Lomonosov
    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 21 March 2021 08: 45
      +2

      A. Privalov (Alexander Privalov)
      Today, 08: 37
      N ... but in the meantime nobody is ready on investments with such a distant aim and absolutely not guaranteed return on investment. hi
      This is for all Jews. or for all Russians such a pretentious post? laughing fool laughing
    3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 21 March 2021 08: 46
      +6
      Clear.
      After the Americans themselves actually admitted the failure of the F-35 program, Alexander Privalov switched from his old songs about how good this plane is to new songs about how bad it is, because no one needs the SMP.
      Why are you not so faithful to your only F-35? Now the Suez Canal will become the love of your life for you?
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 21 March 2021 08: 57
        +2

        Sidor Amenpodestovich (Flavius ​​Vespasianovich)
        Today, 08: 46

        +2
        Clear.
        After the Americans themselves actually admitted the failure of the F-35 program, Alexander Privalov switched from his old songs about how good this plane is to new songs about how bad it is, because no one needs the SMP.
        Why are you not so faithful to your only F-35? Now the Suez Canal will become the love of your life for you?
        Times change, manuals too ...
    4. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 21 March 2021 10: 48
      -1
      I have already said that the delivery of tons of cargo through the Suez to Southeast Asia is almost $ 70, along the NSR with all fees less than $ 50. So over time we will achieve our goal. Egypt will still raise the rate for the passage along the Suez and the Europeans driven by dollars will be driven through the NSR.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 21 March 2021 11: 50
        +2
        Quote: tralflot1832
        I have already said that the delivery of tons of cargo through the Suez to Southeast Asia is almost $ 70, along the NSR with all fees less than $ 50. So over time we will achieve our goal. Egypt will still raise the rate for the passage along the Suez and the Europeans driven by dollars will be driven through the NSR.


        On the NSR it is correct, but on the Suez you were not mistaken? "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" cites somewhat different data:
        ... the NSR tariff for the transit of liquid cargo is within 20-30 dollars per ton.

        At the same time, the transportation of goods along the traditional "southern" route, through the Suez Canal, costs the customer at five dollars per ton... In the recent past, the profitability of transit along the NSR was ensured by high oil prices. But today the transportation of hydrocarbons between the European and Asian markets along the Northern Sea Route has become unprofitable.

        https://rg.ru/2019/04/23/reg-szfo/povysit-rejting-sevmorputi-smogut-chetkie-tarify-na-gruzoperevozki.html
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 21 March 2021 11: 52
          +2
          No more expensive, $ 46 a ton. It took a long time to pick up the tyrnet.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 21 March 2021 12: 31
            0
            This is the current tariff:

            1 SDR = 1.427 USD.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 21 March 2021 12: 34
              0
              Thank you for the information on Suezu. Setaki is a gold mine for the Egyptians! Plus the team of pilots "robs". None of the current captains, pilots of Suez have a kind word.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 21 March 2021 13: 03
                0
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Thanks for the data on Suezu. Setaki is a gold mine for the Egyptians!

                You're welcome. hi
                For Egyptians, this is not just a gold mine. It is also an instrument of political and economic impact on the whole world.
              2. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 21 March 2021 14: 38
                -1
                Quote: tralflot1832
                Plus the team of pilots "robbed". None of the acting captains, pilots of the Suez remembers with a kind word.

                In order to pass the Northern Sea Route, a foreign vessel must obtain a permit-admission (the wait sometimes lasts months) and meet the requirements for construction and equipment, and the captain must have experience in sailing in ice.
                Ice pilot services range from 600 to $ 1180 per day, and since a pilot's working day cannot exceed 12 hours, the vessel will need 2 pilots or icebreaker pilotage.
                These requirements are not redundant: it is enough to imagine a caravan of several vessels under escort, say, of two icebreakers, going on a "ledge" in the polar night conditions in pitch darkness and snowstorm under the illumination of searchlights, when the channel from the icebreakers closes up and is filled with blocks of broken ice. In such conditions, can we say at least a speed of 10 knots for year-round transit traffic? We can only talk about individual flights during the summer navigation period in July-September, maybe in mid-June.

                There is also Arctic ship dues, ice reconnaissance, icebreaker assistance, ship repairs and supply contracts in accordance with the officially approved tariffs ...

                As for the Suez pilots, there they cost 150-200 greens per passage. There is no need to stink. For 250 they will sing love songs for you all 12 hours of passage through the channel.
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 21 March 2021 14: 44
                  +1
                  The Chinese walk and nothing. Tracking is not possible. AIS does not work on the NSR. Suddenly, out of nowhere in the Murmansk region appears a Chinese cargo carrier. What God knows.
            2. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 21 March 2021 12: 43
              +1
              In 2019, Egypt earned $ 5,8 billion from the Suez. The British got a good legacy, if only greed would not ruin.
              1. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 21 March 2021 13: 09
                +1
                Quote: tralflot1832
                In 2019, Egypt earned $ 5,8 billion from the Suez. The British got a good legacy, if only greed would not ruin.

                We must give them their due. They work a lot on this object - they expand the existing one, build a parallel one, invest a lot of money there. In 2017, 1,041 billion tons of cargo were transported through the Suez Canal. it 5 thousand times morethan passed along the Northern Sea Route (194 thousand tons). And by 2023, the channel's capacity will increase 2,5 times!
                1. tralflot1832
                  tralflot1832 21 March 2021 13: 17
                  +2
                  Duc canal is more than 100 years old, and we are still young. And how much the canal has lost due to railway transportation. It seems that more than 900 000-foot containers of Chinese exports to Europe passed through Russia alone and not free. This is for 40, covid.
                  1. A. Privalov
                    A. Privalov 21 March 2021 13: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: tralflot1832
                    Duc canal is more than 100 years old, and we are still young. And how much the canal has lost due to railway transportation. It seems that more than 900 000-foot containers of Chinese exports to Europe passed through Russia alone and not free. This is for 40, covid.

                    Railway service is one thing, but container ships are quite another.
                    900 containers is a big figure, but ... they will be loaded onto 000 modern container ships. Suez will easily miss them in 70 (two!) Days. Well, okay, in 2 days. There are also ships there.
                    1. tralflot1832
                      tralflot1832 21 March 2021 13: 49
                      +1
                      So we earn money on Chinese exports. Ust Luga received a train with 50 containers for a liquefied gas plant in Europe. The Chinese called it express. But they did not say how long it went. So we are also completing the road to Europe, through Belarus and again Ust Lugu is from China. We are also starting to make money on our geographical position. Like the other day, they adopted a resolution on the development of Bam. Perhaps Comrade Levin will have to remember his stormy youth in the rank of Major of the Railway Troops.
                      1. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 21 March 2021 13: 55
                        +2
                        Quote: tralflot1832
                        We are also starting to make money on our geographic location. It seems like the other day we adopted a resolution on the development of Bam.

                        Beg to a lengthy quote:
                        A few words about rail transit.

                        From Europe, in terms of shipment volume, 2 container ships each with a capacity of 9300 20-foot containers depart daily in the eastern direction.

                        What technical tasks would the Russian Railways have to prepare for if they had set themselves the goal of transportation through the territory of Russia? only 10% of the existing sea freight traffic, i.e. 1860 TEU per day?

                        1860 "boxes" are 930 railway platforms,
                        these are 18 block trains with 104 containers each,
                        departing around the clock and all year round with an interval of 1 hour 18 minutes ...

                        From Europe, the cargo should be delivered to our border, ensure safe transportation through the territory of Russia and then by sea to Japan or by rail to China and receive for all these goods a reward of less than $ 600 for a container transported to the east and about $ 3000 for a container in the west. if Russian Railways wants to compete with the sea southern route.

                        This, so to speak, is a suggestion for thought, which I was prompted by separate considerations of representatives of Russian Railways, who are better informed about the carrying capacity of our railways.

                        Marine News of Russia, No. 16 2013 (389), pp. 8-9
                      2. tralflot1832
                        tralflot1832 21 March 2021 14: 20
                        +1
                        So this is in 13 years, in 8 years something has moved off the ground. Figures about containers from Chinese Zhenminjibao. The official newspaper of the CPC. By the way, it covers your business projects with China. So the Chinese are not only buying Europe.
                      3. A. Privalov
                        A. Privalov 21 March 2021 15: 03
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                        Quote: tralflot1832
                        By the way, he covers your business projects with China. So the Chinese are buying not only Europe.

                        Duc, globalization, so her. wassat
                        They have rebuilt our ports very cool and are doing some other things. But we are very small for them. There is nowhere to really turn around.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 21 March 2021 13: 32
    0
    Tell me, why do you need to fence powerful infrastructure on the transit route ?! Yes, they are discovering deposits, developing mines and quarries .. In fact - apart from radar, navigation and border posts, there is nothing needed there ... Over-the-horizon radars? Are there any air defense divisions there? .. The complexity of the arrangement did not interfere with the USSR .. The high cost did not prevent Nonikel from creating his own fleet and working? We build ice-class tankers .. is it so difficult to organize delivery to the islands ...? Logistics needs competent. That's all .. And then, you know, in the 80s there was a case .. - TWO nuclear icebreakers, one D / s ... and one dry cargo ship .. for more than a month they hammered into pack ice to deliver to the polar .... 38 !!!! barrels of gasoline .. How much did this heroic epic cost ??? !!! Here is the result of planned management and an unforeseen ice situation ...
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 21 March 2021 14: 05
      +1
      Quote: Dikson
      Tell me, why do you need to fence powerful infrastructure on the transit route ?! Yes, they are discovering deposits, developing mines and quarries .. In fact - apart from radar, navigation and border posts, there is nothing needed there ... Over-the-horizon radars? Are there any air defense divisions there? .. The complexity of the arrangement did not interfere with the USSR .. The high cost did not prevent Nonikel from creating his own fleet and working? We build ice-class tankers .. is it so difficult to organize delivery to the islands ...? Logistics needs competent. That's all .. And then, you know, in the 80s there was a case .. - TWO nuclear icebreakers, one D / s ... and one dry cargo ship .. for more than a month they hammered into pack ice to deliver to the polar .... 38 !!!! barrels of gasoline .. How much did this heroic epic cost ??? !!! Here is the result of planned management and an unforeseen ice situation ...

      From the point of view of international maritime law, the coastal state has the obligation to regulate navigation not only in the territorial sea, but also outside it in areas covered with ice for more than six months a year.
      Ports should be open to foreign ships, which, if necessary, could receive supplies, food, water, a bunker, and maps. Rescue operations and diving inspections must be provided, that is, for transit, it is necessary to have infrastructure, communication facilities, meteorological and ice forecast normal for normal navigation.
      There is practically none of this along the entire length of the NSR. What has been preserved in some places since Soviet times is in a completely depressing state.
      There are very few dry cargo vessels that can operate in those conditions. And the existing ones are very expensive.
      The difference in the price of a vessel of 35–40% is due to a more reinforced hull: a set of rods and stringers, a reduction in the size of the spacing, a thickened ice belt and the requirement for the compliance of all machines and mechanisms, including devices, with operating conditions at temperatures of –40 degrees C.
      1. Dikson
        Dikson 21 March 2021 17: 23
        +1
        Fine! Are there many such open ports on the coast of Alaska? And on the Atlantic African coast? We have Arkhangelsk. There is Pevek. Now we have Sabetta. Do we need to build a port every 500 miles in the bare tundra in order to save some gentlemen who suddenly decide to stick their nose into our sector of the Arctic? Then organize a Russian Lloyd for them ... - a marine insurance company working exclusively on the NSR .. If they don't want postings under our strict guidance, let them sink .. and our icebreakers will pick up the survivors .. like Chelyuskintsev .. Give them bunkering ... they can't build harbor taverns with girls there, so that they can walk more fun on our waters? ..
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 22 March 2021 09: 00
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          Quote: Dikson
          Fine! Are there many such open ports on the coast of Alaska? And on the Atlantic African coast? We have Arkhangelsk. There is Pevek. Now we have Sabetta. Do we need to build a port every 500 miles in the bare tundra in order to save some gentlemen who suddenly decide to stick their nose into our sector of the Arctic? Then organize a Russian Lloyd for them ... - a marine insurance company working exclusively on the NSR .. If they don't want postings under our strict guidance, let them sink .. and our icebreakers will pick up the survivors .. like Chelyuskintsev .. Give them bunkering ... they can't build harbor taverns with girls there, so that they can walk more fun on our waters? ..

          Is the port of Arkhangelsk freezing with Pevek and Dikson? How to navigate in the polar night, by compass ... And in a self-respecting country, five hundred or even more nautical miles, there are ports for crew rest, repair, replenishment of provisions and for SATISFACTION of human needs, yes. Beer pubs with affordable women ....... The Northern Sea Route will not give this ...
          1. Dikson
            Dikson 22 March 2021 09: 42
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            I didn't quite get your message .. Why are there pubs and other seafarers' joys on the transit route of the NSR? You need to go faster through a difficult area, so that ice does not get jammed, from Asia to Northern Europe .. and not to arrange cruises in the Russian Arctic! Silent or Atlantic crossing, not resenting the lack of brothels every 500 miles? But do you see both water and vodka in Russia? They will fish. They already walk in the Arctic without asking permission .. here's an example .. - to the northern Earth passed .. What did he lose there?
            1. GTYCBJYTH2021
              GTYCBJYTH2021 22 March 2021 10: 16
              -1
              Quote: Dikson
              I didn't quite get your message .. Why are there pubs and other seafarers' joys on the transit route of the NSR? You need to go faster through a difficult area, so that ice does not get jammed, from Asia to Northern Europe .. and not to arrange cruises in the Russian Arctic! Silent or Atlantic crossing, not resenting the lack of brothels every 500 miles? But do you see both water and vodka in Russia? They will fish. They already walk in the Arctic without asking permission .. here's an example .. - to the northern Earth passed .. What did he lose there?

              So the ice of the Northern Sea Route melted ... ... suddenly melted ... and EVERYTHING went through us ... and what broke in the steamer, replace the gear reducer - where? Got my message? Along the entire route of the ships, whether the military, especially the civil ones, there should be stopping points, not just parking in the roadstead, but with access to the shore ....... And there is beer ..... women ...... hi And where in Pevek beer and women ... ... There are very few reindeer with Yakuts left ...
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 21 March 2021 08: 37
    +8
    The Russians set the task of protecting the Northern Sea Route
    Sir! But, the Russians do not climb to defend the North Atlantic transoceanic routes between Europe and America or the Pacific sea routes from America to Asia?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 21 March 2021 08: 40
    +2
    Are these surprised that we are defending our territory? So this is Russia girls, Russia! soldier
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 21 March 2021 08: 42
    +1

    The Russians have set the task of protecting the Northern Sea Route, which is increasingly important for Moscow in connection with the prospects opening up against the backdrop of global warming.
    It would be naive to assume otherwise.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 21 March 2021 08: 44
    0
    These are not peaceful things, oh not peaceful.
    On the other hand, it will be covered, no one will climb ... although they have nothing special to climb there.
    1. cniza
      cniza 21 March 2021 09: 46
      +2
      Good time! hi

      Not the United States will climb, without them in any way ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 21 March 2021 09: 49
        0
        Wanting does not mean that they can.
        "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" ... you can croak whatever you want, that's just "cuckoo" for that .... yes, pof, absolutely.
        1. cniza
          cniza 21 March 2021 11: 45
          +1
          This is understandable, but they will be dirty wherever they can and grind their teeth ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 21 March 2021 12: 38
            0
            Well, they will poison and other nasty things, they will let you wherever they can.
            Fortunately, there is an antidote, and the immunity of many has become more stable.
            1. cniza
              cniza 21 March 2021 12: 41
              +1
              They don't allow us to live and work in peace, it has always been like this, we are already used to it ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 21 March 2021 12: 55
                +1
                Added to our natural difficulties is the fierce opposition of old, eternal enemies.
                It was difficult, it will be difficult ... we will break through.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 21 March 2021 12: 59
                  +2
                  Of course, we have no other choice. Difficulties keep Russia in good shape ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 21 March 2021 14: 49
                    +2
                    Yes, we would have to reduce the difficulties by at least half ... there will be enough remaining so as not to get bored.
    2. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 22 March 2021 09: 08
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      These are not peaceful things, oh not peaceful.
      On the other hand, it will be covered, no one will climb ... although they have nothing special to climb there.

      It will melt if the North, and there is nothing to defend ...
      And how much technology has got stuck in the tundra since Soviet times, drowned and is in a state of monuments - there is no number .......
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 March 2021 09: 40
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        The technique is specialized, just for those places where you can generally move on the surface.
        And by the time everything melts, IF, they will come up with another one, on which you can move anywhere.
        Science does not stand still.
  • cniza
    cniza 21 March 2021 09: 45
    +3
    At the same time, people want the country's authorities not to escalate the situation, but to conduct a constructive dialogue with Russia and build good-neighborly relations.


    The people are always wiser than their rulers ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 21 March 2021 09: 50
      0
      So why are such top ones chosen over and over again ...
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 21 March 2021 10: 42
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        Quote: rocket757
        So why are such top ones chosen over and over again ...

        This quote has been quoted here 100/500 times. And you still believe in the importance of elections.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 March 2021 10: 52
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          Do not make me laugh. The majority does not believe in the honesty of the elections, the politicians, the upper ones, for a long time .... BUT, what other options are there now?
          A person needs at least an illusion, his involvement in such processes ... and the upper ones are trying to preserve these illusions, otherwise there will be a complete mess. And who needs it?
          1. cniza
            cniza 21 March 2021 11: 47
            +2
            Yes, and somewhere this illusion sometimes works, but elections are useful for anyone, they make you think.
      2. cniza
        cniza 21 March 2021 11: 45
        +2
        Quote: rocket757
        So why are such top ones chosen over and over again ...


        Not always at the will of the people ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 21 March 2021 12: 42
          +2
          Suppose, completely, completely, to ignore the request of society, the upper ones are afraid. They are temporary and from time to time they are reminded of this, in one form or another.
          I will not say that we have a consensus, but absolutely fools go beyond the brink. There are not many of them.
          1. cniza
            cniza 21 March 2021 12: 54
            +1
            Elections give a real picture for the authorities, and the result - we do not always influence it ...
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  • APASUS
    APASUS 21 March 2021 10: 14
    0
    Let them try to go through the NSR on their own, on their military buckets intended for the Gulf of Mexico. Only the northern countries have technologies for crossing the ice. From their Alaska they made a nature reserve, there is only one icebreaker and then an old man.
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 22 March 2021 09: 18
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      Let them try to go through the NSR on their own, on their military buckets intended for the Gulf of Mexico. Only the northern countries have technologies for crossing the ice. From their Alaska they made a nature reserve, there is only one icebreaker and then an old man.

      Not quite Alaska-Aleutian Islands-Dutch Harbor port ...... They cleaned American waters from weed flounder fish and pollock ...... The port grows and develops ..... Rembaza also has huge shops ... ... We went and envied, there are cucumbers and watermelons, but in P.-Kamchatsky there are cucumbers only for one month a year ... there are no watermelons at all ... . If interested, I can throw the Kamchatka prices PRESENT ......
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 22 March 2021 09: 23
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        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
        the port of Dutch Harbor ..


        This one or what? So it's more of a cruise port. And where did you consider the ice?
        Winter is long, but mild and in terms of temperature indicators is comparable to winter in Krasnodar. Summers are short and cool; daytime temperatures rarely exceed 15 ° C. The minimum temperature in the entire history of meteorological observations was -15 ° C, and the maximum reached 26 ° C. The area is considered one of the wettest and wettest in the United States: about 250 days a year it rains or sleeps.

        Winter is like in Krasnodar !!
        I would understand how in Norilsk
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 22 March 2021 09: 47
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          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          the port of Dutch Harbor ..


          This one or what? So it's more of a cruise port. And where did you consider the ice?
          Winter is long, but mild and in terms of temperature indicators is comparable to winter in Krasnodar. Summers are short and cool; daytime temperatures rarely exceed 15 ° C. The minimum temperature in the entire history of meteorological observations was -15 ° C, and the maximum reached 26 ° C. The area is considered one of the wettest and wettest in the United States: about 250 days a year it rains or sleeps.

          Winter is like in Krasnodar !!
          I would understand how in Norilsk

          I don’t understand myself, where are you showing me the ice, summer is .... mountains in the grass ........ There is little ice in winter, our BATM itself crushed the ice and moored by ourselves, without pilots and tugs ... ..Navkarty have been available for more than one century ......... I'm talking about Kamchatka ...... It freezes ..... "Bucket" tugboat - they worked with it for days, breaking the ice ...... How for the military, so for the fishermen and the passenger ... But it has not become warmer in Kamchatka ...
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 22 March 2021 11: 16
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            Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
            Are you from Norilsk, a one-ship shipbuilder who generates a pension there .......

            No, I'm from St. Petersburg, just finished sailing, went on a passenger
            1. GTYCBJYTH2021
              GTYCBJYTH2021 22 March 2021 11: 57
              -1
              Quote: APASUS
              Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
              Are you from Norilsk, a one-ship shipbuilder who generates a pension there .......

              No, I'm from St. Petersburg, just finished sailing, went on a passenger

              I see ..... Have you swallowed sea water? To become a sailor? Then the site got to-all the sailors and heroes ..... Ruined and this nest-sailors training and coastal sailors .......
  • iouris
    iouris 21 March 2021 14: 34
    -2
    Protect what isn't there?
  • NF68
    NF68 21 March 2021 15: 13
    +2
    Do the Americans prefer Russia to defend the Alaskan coast instead of the NSR?