"Nationalization" continues: the court in Kiev arrested 100% of shares and property of Motor Sich

The shares of the Ukrainian company "Motorsich" were arrested and transferred to the management of the National Agency of Ukraine for the identification, search and management of assets obtained from corruption and other crimes (ARMA). This was reported by the SBU press service.

The arrest of 100% of Motor Sich shares was imposed by the Shevchenko District Court of Kiev on the basis of materials submitted by the Security Service of Ukraine. In addition to the shares, all the company's property was also arrested. It is noted that the enterprise will continue to work in accordance with Ukrainian legislation.

Based on the materials of the SBU, the Shevchenkovskiy District Court of Kiev decided to arrest the integral property complex and 100% of the shares of Motor Sich JSC

- said on the official website of the SBU.

The SBU itself recalled that a pre-trial investigation is underway in Motor Sich in two directions at once: sabotage and subversive activities in favor of Russia and violation of the law during the initial privatization and subsequent illegal concentration of shares.

This is not only about the fate of one enterprise, but about how the state is able to protect its own interests. After all, the preservation of Ukrainian Motor Sich is a matter of national security

- said the head of the SBU Ivan Bakanov.

Note that earlier, the Chinese investors in Motor Sich, who own a large stake in the company, called on Kiev to abandon the so-called "nationalization", threatening otherwise with a claim for $ 3,6 billion as compensation for damage done to the investment business of the PRC.

Comments

[Konstantin Gogolev]

Under the guise of now, you can "reduce fixed assets" a little - simply - steal. one hundred%

[Alien From]

There, the Chinese with a gun to the back of their heads are ...) do not get out this time hikhelam!

[hydrox]

If we succeed with Novorossiya, then we will have the opportunity to make a State Concern on the basis of Motor Sich, because if the statehood of Ukraine ends, then the property that is under the management of this agency becomes NOTHING (more precisely, the subject that will be located on this territory !!!) ..
But there is another very old adage that has not been canceled: "The winner takes EVERYTHING !!" - so there is also our national interest in Donbass affairs, since Novorossia has ALWAYS been Russian territory and it will simply return to its native harbor!

[Alien From]

This region is not in a hurry to its home harbor, not in a hurry ...

[hydrox]

Not all at once: the Normandy Four could not (did not want to !?) prohibit Zelenovsky from increasing the scale of shelling.
He took advantage of this with pleasure and today shandarah from the MLRS - well, and when will Russia run out of patience!?!

[Alien From]

Patience????? Remember our athletes !!

[hydrox]

I am not interested in free artists: they are ours today, but having become prize-winners, they gladly accept someone else's citizenship and become imported (no one will tell you what kind of citizenship Navka has today? And a screaming tennis player? ...

[Alien From]

It's not about specific individuals, it's about the state! Humiliated below the plinth, the anthem is not allowed, the uniform is not allowed, the flag is not allowed. It's a SHAME to put it mildly!

[hydrox]

The government for the national budget decided to bow in front of the athletes: here we should not forget that all sports schools are not self-sufficient, but on the balance sheet of the state, which can neither stop prices, nor organize work places, nor raise health care, nor give real, not gastric, education, but spending money anywhere is valor and greatness.

[hydrox]

I do not know who in the Russian Prospect is engaged in sports related matters, but one thing is clear - the statesmen could not inflict such a disgrace on the Russian Federation.

[Reviews]

a screaming tennis player?

If this is about Sharapova, then here is:
https://www.sport.ru/tennis/sharapova-obyyasnila-pochemu-ne-stala-poluchat-grajdanstvo-ssha/article469442/

[hydrox]

The IRS has put an end to this issue. "Octagon" found in the latest bulletin of the American Internal Revenue Service (IRS), which publishes lists of those who have renounced US citizenship, the name Navka. Source: https://rucompromat.com/articles/tatyana_navka_i_dmitriy_peskov_zakryili_amerikanskiy_vopros

[hydrox]

Bandera svlch minus with pleasure!

[Fitter65]

Quote: hydrox

If we succeed with Novorossiya, then we will have the opportunity to make a State Concern on the basis of Motor Sich,

You will succeed Serdyukov, with the dispersal of all design bureaus from Moscow ...

[hydrox]

There is no need for dirt: you have already succeeded in Potanin, Chubais, and Rybolovlev, and with Serdyukov you and Medvedev, of course, missed (Putin caught himself at the wrong time !!!
And even now it has been removed from the KLA - let's see who will be put in this most important place for Russia, and the time has come to nationalize the KLA - too many private traders have sucked in the managerial bottling - there is absolutely no one to work!

[Normal ok]

Quote: hydrox

If we succeed with Novorossiya, then we will have the opportunity to make a State Concern on the basis of Motor Sich, because if the statehood of Ukraine ends, then the property that is under the management of this agency becomes NOTHING (more precisely, the subject that will be located on this territory !!!) ..
But there is another very old adage that has not been canceled: "The winner takes EVERYTHING !!" - so there is also our national interest in Donbass affairs, since Novorossia has ALWAYS been Russian territory and it will simply return to its native harbor!

Dreams Dreams. Nothing happened with Novorossia for a long time. How long can you believe in various HSPs?

[PSih2097]

Quote: hydrox

since Novorossia has ALWAYS been Russian territory

then Little Russia (on the left bank of the Dnieper) ...

[TermNachTer]

Not guessing. The representative office of the People's Republic of China at the plant has been sitting for 10 years, on the 8th floor. So, any attempt to "spy" something will be recorded and then everyone will present it.

[hydrox]

It can sit there for as long as Russia will allow them, and I don’t even know who they will ask for their $ 3,5 lard, but I know for sure that they will obey the money from the minke whales, and the Russian Federation does not owe them anything, but not a single sovereign pr-t will allow the import ownership of assets located in our territory (unless he is a traitor to Russian national interests (this is a hairpin in the ass of oligarchs, kondovy rank, as well as 5 and 6 columns)).

[TermNachTer]

It is unlikely that China will be able to present something to Russia, but it will very much be able to present a Banderland. At the moment, China is the main foreign trade partner of Banderland - up to 30% of exports and imports, so if the Chinese decide to take Zenelokh "by the Adam's apple", they may very well)))

[Revolver]

Divide, then subtract, and divide again. Simple arithmetic.
And so on until there is something to share.

[svp67]

It is noted that the enterprise will continue to work in accordance with Ukrainian legislation.

It's funny to read. At the moment, there is no legislative basis in Ukraine for the nationalization of enterprises, it does not exist. And somehow the Verkhovna Rada is in no hurry to remove this gap.

[Your stranger]

And how do you know there is a legislative basis or not?

[svp67]

Quote: Stranger

And how do you know there is a legislative basis or not?

Okay. Show the law on the basis of which this is happening now.

[Avior]

Privatbank was somehow nationalized and no one is going to return it to Kolomoisky

[Idunavs]

The nationalized PrivatBank appealed to the High Court of London with a demand to seize the property belonging to the former owners of the bank in the amount of $ 3 billion. On December 19, 2017, the High Court of England issued an order for the worldwide seizure of the assets of Igor Kolomoisky and Gennady Bogolyubov, as well as six companies that are likely to be owned or controlled by them. In 2019, Kolomoisky's lawyers lost the appeal process on this decision, and the arrest continues to operate.

In general, all this looks more like a raider seizure by foreign agents of a private bank and a motor sich.

[Avior]

Privatbank is nationalized by the state, what kind of foreign agents?

[Idunavs]

Peter Krumhanzl Czech. Petr Krumphanzl Chairman of the Board of Privatbank since 2018 Read his biography. And with a motor sich, the ears stick out with zvezdny-striped. The whole story is not over yet, let's see what happens in the end.

[Avior]

I read his biography. A typical hired manager of a fairly high level.
And what are the ears for the Sichi motor?
There is one owner, Boguslaev.

[Idunavs]

Czech citizen Petr Krumhanzl is a defendant in several criminal cases and a personal enemy of the former largest shareholder of Privat, Igor Kolomoisky. SBU officers are checking information that Petr Krumkhanzl, using his official position, collected data representing state secrets.

[Avior]

They check that the person involved is about nothing, until there is a verdict that has entered into legal force.
Privatbank, by the way, was nationalized back in 2016

[ver_]

..there's nothing to turn around - only walls ..

[Avior]

Worked and works, the walls are in place too

[Your stranger]

For the materials of the SBU Shevchenkivskiy District Court of Kiev metro station, he took the decision about the imposition of an assignment on the whole mine complex and 100% shares of AT "Motor Sich".

According to the results of the ship survey, the main was transferred to the management of the National Agency of Ukraine for nutrition, management and management of assets, won from the corrupt and the small malfunctions (ARMA) with the obligatory visas of the government, the form of the company.

Nagadamo, scho narazi Golovna next to the management of the Security Service of Ukraine, to the dispatch of the investigation of Motor Sichi behind two straight lines.

First - for signs of evil, transferred to Articles 14, 15, 111 and 113 of the Crimean Code of Ukraine (as well as sabotage and pіdrivnoї dіyalnosti on the Russian cinnamon).

Another - for signs of evil, transferred to Articles 209, 212, 233 and 364 of the Crimean Code of Ukraine. In the new state of affairs, there may be a breakdown of legislation before the first privatization and illegal concentration of shares.

[Egoza]

violation of legislation during the initial privatization and subsequent illegal concentration of shares.

OTEPAD !!! So our primary privatization was ALL illegal! Give us a general nationalization !!!

[nnm]

And the constitution, which determines that no one has the right to be deprived of his property, except by a court decision, is not considered? And in this case, there is no court decision. And the property has already been transferred to ARMA NOT By the way, the property that got into the agency is sold even regardless of appeals, etc. That is, the owner will then win an international court and shake compensation from the Ukrainian budget, but the property will already be sold.

[Your stranger]

Have you read the article?

The arrest of 100% of Motor Sich shares was imposed by the Shevchenko District Court of Kiev on the basis of materials submitted by the Security Service of Ukraine.

[nnm]

Learn the materiel before you write !!! And then you see the letters, but you can't even understand the situation as a whole. 1. The owners of the shares are CHINESE !!! There is no decision to declare the transaction illegal. On the contrary, Ukraine, as a security for the claim for recognizing the illegal purchase of shares by Boguslavsky (or whatever it is), filed an application to the court for the arrest of the shares, thereby completely violating the rights of Chinese companies. 2. It's as if you sold me a car, having all the documents on hand !!!!!, and then the state decided that you bought the car illegally and without a court decision would take away my right to it.

How does the Boguslavsky case deprive the ownership of the shares of their current owners from China? Is there a court decision on the illegality of Boguslavsky's acquisition of shares?

[nnm]

And what did Danilov promise yesterday? The fact that within two weeks Sich will be owned by Ukraine. That is, nationalization. Where is the constitution, where is the property right, where is the court's decision ?!

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: nnm

1. The owners of the shares are CHINESE !!!

Is not a fact. I do not know the legislation of Ukraine, but according to our laws, according to the Russian Federation, shares obtained by criminal means should be seized. No options, and no compensation. It doesn't matter how many hands they have gone through.

Quote: nnm

2. It's as if you sold me a car with all the documents on hand !!!!!,

Buying billions of dollars of property is not buying a pack of juice, or even buying a car. Serious corporations have enough lawyers and even battalions to staff. And the acquisition of distressed assets is not even their profile. Lawyers will only indicate the risks, and it is up to the big guys to accept them or not. And if they decide to buy a very problematic one, under the brand name - we are whaling, we don’t care, then they will fly by like plywood. If the assets were not problematic .... Then ... Let's be honest. Assets are unlikely to be hassle-free Legal ways, for tovarischa, with property in the form of an apartment and a car, well, or a couple of apartments and a couple of cars, to become the owner of an MS, in principle, does not exist. So ... There seems to be a whole bunch of violations. And it is very doubtful that there is something shining for the Chinese. But they can address their claims to the previous owner.
Well, this is based on the legislation of the Russian Federation. I don’t know Ukrainian, I’m not going to study it, but somehow I strongly doubt that it is radically different from ours. And that it officially encourages the purchase of stolen goods.
PS
And yes. I don’t understand your concerns for the Chinese. If for me, then the situation is just ideal for Russia. China does not receive Ukrainian technology, Ukraine does not receive Chinese funding. In general, everything is brown, but only Russia is in chocolate. What reasons make you worry about our, by no means friends?

[nnm]

Quote: Lannan Shi

Is not a fact. I do not know the legislation of Ukraine, but according to our laws, according to the Russian Federation, the shares obtained by criminal means should be seized

Colleague, do not confuse warm with soft !!! It's a matter of ownership! Tell me who was recognized as a victim and what demands he made ?! Haven't you heard that? And what are the circumstances of the statement? What exactly is violated? There is not a word about this in any of the messages. But only the owner can submit an application for the restoration of his rights !!! Even if it is state property, the owner of the shares is recognized as the victim. Where is the statement from him? And then the purest privatization !!! And this is stated by the representative of the EXECUTIVE BODY! Absolutely illegal, absolutely unjust, absolutely non-procedural story.
And what you are writing about, yes, there is a rule on the return to the owner of property even received by a bona fide purchaser. But this rule has nothing to do with this situation.

[Lannan Shi]

Quote: nnm

What exactly is violated? There is not a word about this in any of the messages.

As far as I understand the situation, the emphasis will be on the illegality of privatization. The most obvious way out. For it is possible to plant 9 out of 10 privatizers in the field of industry. Without violating the law, having a start-up capital of a couple of thousand, it is unrealistic to privatize a couple of billions by legal means.

Quote: nnm

And then the purest privatization !!

Are you seriously? A Soviet director with a salary of several hundred rubles privatized dollars for 3.5 yards? Privatization? This is generally interpreted as theft in especially large ones. Even according to Chinese laws.

Quote: nnm

Absolutely illegal, absolutely unjust, absolutely non-procedural

I understand you don't like Ukraine. I, as it were, do not burn with love for her. But are we still objective? All, or almost all privatizers of large industrial enterprises, even ours, even Ukrainian, are thieves and criminals. Plundered both countries. They have no rights to this property, and cannot be. If the privatization of any of these enterprises is digged, according to the law, it will have to be planted in dozens or even hundreds. And this scheme works as long as the thieves and the authorities are absolutely loyal to each other.
Understand. The Chinese are offended. They don't even need a refund. And access to technology. But alas and ah. They knew very well that they were buying stolen goods. Not grown together ... It happens. Buying stolen goods, it is such a risky business. And according to the mind, if they do not bend their fingers now, but knock their money back. And this will be the most joyful of the options for them. For if the Ukrainians climb into the barrel and are not afraid to stir up the privatization issues, then there will be monetary losses and image losses. Buyer of stolen goods, internationally ... So-so reputation. But Ukraine has nothing to lose. The reputation is already below the baseboard, and here you can even earn points. Fight against corruption, and international (Chinese) accomplices of criminals.
However, a little patience, and it will be seen under what sauce the Chinese are thrown out of the MC. Once again. The situation is just perfect for us. Are you in dire need of China's technological growth? What for? Are we falling behind him too slowly? Or do you really want Ukraine to have more money, and she could afford not a couple of used boats and a dozen machine guns, but new tanks by battalions and planes by squadrons? Again, why? We watch and enjoy.

[Avior]

... The owners of the shares are CHINESE !!! There is no decision to declare the transaction illegal.

The opposite is true - there is no decision to recognize the transaction as legal, but it should have been. The Chinese tried to circumvent this requirement, but failed.

[Avior]

It is considered. Only nobody has yet been deprived of their property and no ARMA can sell it. The shares were transferred to her for temporary management

[nnm]

Learn materiel in terms of the rights of ARMA. HAS the rights to sell.
Deprived. Read my answer above. For a start, remember the shares of someone who owns them, and then write.

[Avior]

They were not deprived of anything, they were seized pending confirmation of the legality of the transaction.

[Egoza]

Quote: nnm

And the constitution, which determines that no one has the right to be deprived of his property, except by a court decision, is not considered?

And who in Ukraine considers the Constitution? In our country, according to the Constitution, the Russian language (as the language of the "minority") must be free to use, learn, etc. And where?

[nnm]

By the way, I never understood why Russian in Ukraine is called the language of a national minority. After all, it is also spoken by ethnic Ukrainians themselves, which is why the Ukrainian authorities called them a national minority. Nonsense .

[Terenin]

Quote: Stranger

And how do you know there is a legislative basis or not?

It's just that all laws, in any country, are publicly available.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Stranger

And how do you know there is a legislative basis or not?

But in Russia a law entered into the territory of Crimea - "Foreigners who, as of March 20, 2020, owned land plots in the border areas, had to sell them, donate them, transfer them to municipal or state ownership by March 20, 2021."

[Nikon O'Conor]

a good law, it would be like this all over the country ... but I'm afraid our government will not cope with such assets and will simply ruin the enterprises ..

[Rubi0]

So it is all over the country, after the annexation, Crimea was simply given up to 21 years

[antivirus]

all decisions flow out and disappear in the pockets of those in power. and surprise at the "presence of the base" - the verbiage of lawyers. it is profitable not even for bankers - but for bank clients and broader it is possible to take - the elite - all laws will be interpreted as needed.
5 years ago, we proudly shouted "under Irish law .." - 3 billion government debt of the outskirts - London does not repay the debt to Siluanov. everyone is happy for having that "legislation".

[Thrifty]

svp67 - laws do not apply there if they run counter to the interests of the Yankees, first of all, and then of the local oligarchs!

[evgen1221]

And we have a different chtoli? If some local daddy wants to, then who will prevent him from getting what he wants?

[gurzuf]

You're not right! There you can - everything! Example? Please - acting president of the country of Turchynov! And in general, there is a constitution, not the basic law of the country, but a marked deck of cards, which kata ... "politicians" can pull out of their sleeves at any time. However, it is political advice!

[loki565]

It's just that the owners from the United States gave a command so that the enterprise did not go to the Chinese, well, they themselves may have something to fall into when carving up)))

[Pessimist22]

But the non-brothers will pay the Chinese

[sniperino]

Quote: loki565

It's just that the owners from the USA gave the command,

Native legislation is not a basis for discussing the order.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: svp67

It is noted that the enterprise will continue to work according to Ukrainian legislation.

It's funny to read. Not at the moment in Ukraine the legislative framework for the nationalization of enterprises, does not exist. And somehow the Verkhovna Rada is in no hurry to remove this gap.

It's funny to read your comment. You make an excerpt from an article about one thing, and write a comment about another ...

[The leader of the Redskins]

As far as I understand, Pan Boguslaev, the former owner of "MS", is now hot and uncomfortable?

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

As far as I understand, Pan Boguslaev, the former owner of "MS", is now hot and uncomfortable?

I'm very sorry for him. But "sho may be, then may"

[The leader of the Redskins]

To be honest, I personally do not feel sorry for ANY current oligarch IN ANY country in the world. And he would have strangled his own people, in general!

[svp67]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

To be honest, I personally do not feel sorry for ANY current oligarch IN ANY country in the world. And he would have strangled his own people, in general!

And Boguslaev is an oligarch?

[The leader of the Redskins]

I looked. In 2018, he was one of the 25 richest businessmen in Dill. Probably an oligarch.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

I'll be honest - I personally don't mind

Why would I feel sorry for them, I feel sorry for little Nikolka, who has no money for the operation.

[KCA]

Tell me, do you also unconditionally believe in programs like the Hour of the Court, the Battle of Psychics, DNA and so on, in all programs on REN TV, as well as in the sincerity of requests to help children, whom no one but you, compassionate citizens can help? Vaughn Friske did not have time to cool down yet, and the money collected for her treatment has already begun to be divided

[nnm]

And what is to him? He sold his share to the Chinese. It is Ukraine that "shoots" the Chinese so hard, not realizing that, following the order, the United States is killing its enterprise and, in the future, is being sold with billions of money from the budget for compensation in court.

[antivirus]

everyone understands everything - money is beyond ranks and values.

[Avior]

And what is to him? He received money for the shares and, in general, Boguslaev is a supporter of the nationalization of the controlling stake in Motor Sich while preserving the share of the Chinese

[Thrifty]

So let's see if China will be able to squeeze the loot out of the Vukriya, or swallow the loss of its billions of dollars invested in the purchase of motorcycles. ..

[svp67]

Quote: Thrifty

So let's see if China will be able to squeeze the loot out of the Vukriya, or swallow the loss of its billions of dollars invested in the purchase of motorcycles. ..

Even if he cannot squeeze this money out straight, China will find a way to take revenge ... Do not forget that for Ukraine it is now the MAIN trade partner

[tihonmarine]

Quote: svp67

Even if he cannot squeeze this money out straight, then China will find a way to take revenge ...

As a child, he lived with the Chinese, and I know very well that a Chinese never forgives offenses.

[Flooding]

Quote: tihonmarine

As a child, he lived with the Chinese, and I know very well that a Chinese never forgives offenses.

poor japanese

[KCA]

Not the poor, the rich, but they are very zealous in spending money on "self-defense forces", why would they need it under the wing of the United States? Yes, they just know that if there is a mess between the Russian Federation and the United States, the missiles will not have time to reach different ends of the ball, as China will drown their islands

[Flooding]

Quote: KCA

Yes, they just know that if there is a mess between the Russian Federation and the United States, the missiles will not have time to reach different ends of the ball, as China will drown their islands

and how will the army help them?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Flood

and how will the army help them?

That's why the Japanese army, that there would be someone to surrender.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Flood

Quote: KCA

Yes, they just know that if there is a mess between the Russian Federation and the United States, the missiles will not have time to reach different ends of the ball, as China will drown their islands

and how will the army help them?

And how will the fact of her absence help them?

[Flooding]

Quote: Lara Croft

And how will the fact of her absence help them?

in the event of a war with China, nothing will help them
so it's better for them to start building a water park
because the absence of it will not help them in any way

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Flood

in the event of a war with China, nothing will help them

It will help its own Air Force and Navy, as well as the US Armed Forces ....
But the PRC, in the war with Japan and the United States, hardly anyone will help ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Lara Croft

It will help its own Air Force and Navy, as well as the US Armed Forces ....
But the PRC, in the war with Japan and the United States, hardly anyone will help ...

You missed one important point in your logical chain.
Namely

Quote: KCA

if there is a mess between the Russian Federation and the USA, even before the missiles have time to reach different ends of the balloon, China will drown their islands

[Lara Croft]

[quote = Navodlom] You missed one important point in your logical chain. Namely
[quote = KCA] if there is a mess between the Russian Federation and the USA, [/ quote]
This is your young man bad with logic. If the Russian Federation and the United States exchange their missile strikes, then the US WB in Japan will also be hit, which will save the PRC from sinking the Japanese Islands ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Lara Croft

young man

Thanks for the compliment, I'm over eighteen.
Very much.
Well, since you so easily figured out my age, will you help me understand which generation I have the honor of?

Quote: Lara Croft

If the Russian Federation and the United States exchange their missile strikes, then the US WB in Japan will also be hit, which will save the PRC from sinking the Japanese Islands ...

forget
nothing that you recently wrote different

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Flood

nothing that you recently wrote different

What exactly?

[Flooding]

Quote: Lara Croft

What exactly?

condescend to my question - I will answer your

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Flood

condescend to my question - I will answer your

Which one

[Flooding]

Quote: Lara Croft

What kind

self-rejection.
I already understand that the age is very respectable

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Flood

self-rejection.

I approve. There is nothing to clog the airwaves with trolling.

very respectable age

wash your feet and go to bed

[Flooding]

Quote: Lara Croft

wash your feet and go to bed

how, will you fall asleep after such a raze
drink a glass first
yes for girls
young after all

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Flood

drink a glass first
yes for girls
young after all

Well, okay ...

[Maikcg]

Well, no matter how lazy people kicked the Chinese in their history, yes, they could not win, the invader dissolved among the Chinese, and the Chinese aggressors received a hat. Yes, now is the first economy in the world, yes, the samurai is not a cake today. But to drown at once .. I don’t know, I don’t know. There are also all sorts of Tibets, various internal graters, India. If the heat goes up, the Chinese will not be hooked on opium again. Hit them on the dams of the Yellow and Yangtze and wash the entire first economy into the sea.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: tihonmarine

As a child, he lived with the Chinese, and I know very well that a Chinese never forgives offenses.

I will add ... The Chinese, very fond of money (greedy) and their "hard-earned", gnaw out 100%. Moreover, the decision will be balanced, with no way for Ukraine to get out.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: LiSiCyn

The Chinese, very fond of money (greedy) and their "hard-earned", will gnaw out 100%. Moreover, the decision will be weighed, with no opportunity for Ukraine to get out.

This is not the first time Ukraine has thrown the PRC ...

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Lara Croft

This is not the first time Ukraine has thrown the PRC ...

For $ 3,6 billion?
Remember, there is also a political moment here. The Chinese are not fools, they understand who gave the order ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Remember, there is also a political moment here.

In any deal, you can find a political moment, especially when one of its parties does not want to carry it out ....

The Chinese are not fools, they understand who gave the order ...

Apparently fools, if you did not foresee all the entrepreneurial risks, your "not fools" did not take care of ensuring the execution of the transaction and did not insure the risks of this transaction ...

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: Lara Croft

Your "no fools" did not take care of ensuring the execution of the transaction and did not insure the risks on this transaction ...

To bring the contingent to the Motor Sich Territory ..?

Quote: Lara Croft

did not insure the risks on this transaction ...

Is not a fact. Do you have data?

[Lara Croft]

[quote = LiSiCyn] [quote = Lara Croft] Introduce contingent to Motor-Sich ter-uu ..? [/ quote]
Why did you write this?
[quote] Not a fact. Do you have data? [/ Quote]
Not. Ka and what they insured. Otherwise, an insurance company would have filed a claim against Ukraine.

[LiSiCyn]

[quote = Lara Croft] Introduce contingent to Motor-Sich territory ..? [/ quote]
Why did you write this? [/ Quote]
Besides, the deal was an investment one. With the owner of the company. But the state intervened. To which, in fact, this company does not belong.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Besides, the deal was an investment one. With the owner of the company. But the state intervened. To which, in fact, this company does not belong.

The state, represented by its controlling, supervisory and law enforcement agencies, has the right to check the purity of transactions, in the Russian Federation this is, for example, the FAS ....
Motor Sich is a monopoly in Ukraine for the production of certain products and its loss may affect the economy of Ukraine, therefore, this enterprise is strategic for Ukraine.
If Chinese investors lose their claim in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they will be able to claim from Ukraine only the amount of real damage, only the amount that was paid to the owner of Motor Sich ......
As for investors, it's not that simple there either ...

“They paid only $ 100 million for it, pledging to invest another $ 250 million in Motor Sich, which is just an insignificant amount for such a unique enterprise,” says independent industrial expert Leonid Khazanov. - At the same time, Beijing Xinwei Technology Group seems to have had financial difficulties that it did not advertise, although in 2019 they put the company on the brink of bankruptcy. Beijing Xinwei Technology Group borrowed money to buy Motor Sich shares from China Development Bankand if the company does go bankrupt, they will go to the bank. "

https://iz.ru/1098355/aleksandr-sidorov/v-pasti-drakona-pochemu-kitaitcy-namereny-zasudit-ukrainu
Thus, China Development Bank is the beneficiary of the purchase of Motor Sich shares, and it is not a fact that it is the final beneficiary.

The China Development Bank (CDB) was founded in March 1994 to provide development-oriented finance for major priority government projects. It is directly under the jurisdiction of the State Council and the People's Central Government. It currently has 35 branches across the country and one representative office. The Bank provides financing for national projects such as infrastructure development, basic industries, energy and transport.

Wikipedia site: ru.wikichi.ru
So, Ukraine has a chance to meet in the International Arbitration not with the "investors" from the Beijing Xinwei Technology Group, who bought shares from Motor Sich, but with the PRC to which the debts of the "investors" will be transferred by assignment .....
By the way, the shareholders of Motor Sich (at the urgent request of the SBU) can file a lawsuit challenging the purchase of shares due to their underestimation ....

We do not know how the deal went, what documents were signed by the parties, so we can only guess ...
But the fact that investors from the PRC are "junk" companies, and the shares were drunk (for a "kickback") on the cheap, probably there is a fact ...

[Maikcg]

In 2014, Ukraine threw China with a grain contract, the Chinese promised to complain to the London arbitration. Today Google squandered a couple of pages, there is no final decision on this case.
The funniest thing is the magic figure of 3 billion, Russia for Eurobonds, the Chinese for grain and now for the motor Sich, Kalomoishe for the private bank, Ukraine's loss of 3 billion a year of transit gas money after the final screw, if you dig, you will probably find something else for three rubles

[Avior]

Let's be honest, other Chinese don't give a damn about the problems of Shkirizon if it is profitable for them, how they traded, and they will trade, and none of the Chinese will make losses for themselves

[antivirus]

for Ukraine he is now the MAIN trade partner

-On the contrary - it is profitable, with an additional weight of 3.6 billion, to go to the other main bargaining partner - they will leave, and the officials will look at the cockroach races and be comforted.

[Viktor Sergeev]

Who else wants to invest in Ukraine? , faster in the queue.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Victor Sergeev

Who else wants to invest in Ukraine? , faster in the queue.

And the queue said, "Fools ... dumb."

[codetalker]

Memory serves me right? They seemed to be shouting recently that they are about to receive a "huge" shipment of vaccine from Beijing. The Chinese vaccine seems to be the only option in Ukraine ...
They themselves refused ours, new friends do not give their vaccines. What will they do then when China rolls it all back? Will they blame us for everything again?)

[The leader of the Redskins]

There, in fact, they are already vaccinating Indian and some kind of European.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

and some kind of European.

AstraZeneca

[dauria]

What will they do then when China rolls it all back?

Get sick and develop massive immunity. Two or three out of a thousand patients will die. Previously, humanity did not even notice such diseases.

[Nikon O'Conor]

What will they do what they will

Oo there are a lot of methods! They will put on pots, foil hats, gorge themselves on cookies, jump ropes again ...

[rocket757]

The main thing is clear, the yaks are starting economic, political pressure on China !!!
Boom to see who will put up with whom or after the first skirmishes ???
There is no talk about jumping, these are chips that will fly in different directions.

[HAM]

I wonder if China will come to the war, or will it be beaten from afar?

[rocket757]

So let's see how they can push.
they will not leave without consequences, it is obvious.

[antivirus]

but the point is - its own design school and technologies for J20 engines and other aircraft.

[rocket757]

In China, its own design school is growing, with serious attention from the state.
We wanted to grab something ready-made, a normal practice for everyone who is seriously involved in this topic.

[antivirus]

The only thing left to the officials to file a claim against the owner of the shares is to secure the state. and the WTO is not helping - there are already examples. Boguslav (?) Who is he? how seriously did he cheat ours and the Chinese? it is necessary to peer into him and his team up to the 5th knee. useful when conquering the outskirts.

[Aleks2000]

As Putin said: You need to be happy.
Any outcome seems to be favorable for the RF.

[Moskovit]

Now the forelocks of Ukrainian slaves will crackle. Amerians clashed with the Chinese.

[Dimide]

Someone will be left without "contrabass" engines

[Ovsigovets]

and someone runs the risk of being left without a plant at all .... so what? does it stop?

[Dimide]

Not everything is so sad.
Motor Sich JSC will continue its work in accordance with the requirements of the current legislation, with the preservation of jobs and fulfillment of obligations within the framework of production orders, the SBU says.
Danilov, in turn, said that only "white" money would be returned to investors, and offshore companies, let them sort it out among themselves

[Ruslan Sulima]

Not everything is so sad.

Well, optimism is good for you, that's for sure)

[Dimide]

I see no reason to "joke"

[Ruslan Sulima]

I see no reason to "jure" laughing

Here is a plus)
The overwhelming folks have no right to be sad, especially since for them nothing will change with any result of this deal in the near future)
You know, of course I can't see from my trench, and my relatives don't say much. But there was a feeling that everyone in Ukraine has already collected things and they are ready to lay the route, however, each in his own direction)

[Dimide]

Yes, I do not seem to see any special prerequisites. You know how it was, the people live separately, the authorities are separate.
Although in all honesty, with Ze it is clear that something is being done. Last year I often "flew" across Ukraine, there roads, junctions are being built, there are bridges. Under my window, the recreation center is being renovated, the square is being improved. The water was up to 24, now around the clock, etc.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Yes, I do not seem to see any special prerequisites. You know how it was, the people live separately, the authorities are separate.

If only they lagged behind us, everyone would be fine, or rather, it won’t get any worse, otherwise I’m infected with your optimism)

[Ovsigovets]

by the way, how will the centralized hot water supply be restored in Kirovograd (regional center for up to 300K residents)))) I will congratulate my brother on the progress made by Ukraine at the level of the beginning of the 20th century

[Dimide]

I have individual heating in my apartment, a double-circuit boiler, I don’t worry about this at all, if only there is water supply and electricity

[Ovsigovets]

and I had no doubts))))) the central city sewage system, water supply with hot and cold water, heating - this, I consider the level to be zero ... and when in Kirovograd, in the regional center, in a city with a population of up to 300K, it all collapsed - it was degradation ... but your excuse is not to return all this - well, such a thing ... nothing ... although if we are talking about a big village, then yes, there are no questions

[Dimide]

I live in the satellite town of Dnepropetrovsk

[Dimide]

Forgive me, I can't catch the thread of your reasoning. Want to say that Kirovograd wintered without heating and no one did anything? This cannot be, the winter was strong, the howl would have lasted for the entire Ivanovskaya

[Ovsigovets]

I want to say that since the 90s Kirovograd has been without central hot water supply .... and heating and so on, I have listed the life support systems of big cities .. not villages .. CITIES

[Ovsigovets]

meaning of reasoning ???? very simple))) I am impressed by your enthusiasm for nationalization))))) I really like the message "now KAAAAK will start working" .... according to the experience of Ukraine, I would very carefully portray Wang .... Here sometimes Maktub appears (eng) - here is the same optimism based not on fact, but on desire. I offered him a link to the YouTube channel "splinter" ..... it's just more interesting there - you can open vidos there a year / two / three / six years ago - listen to these "projects" to conquer world domination ..... in short))) ) do not attract the attention of the orderlies ... let's talk after the fact ... a YEAR will pass, we will see the order book and hear the financial results of the MotorSich year ... then there will be something

[Dimide]

We are waiting for the development of events

[Ovsigovets]

if Ukraine becomes like Finland in terms of politics, it will have a happy farm future ... a classic, a hut and a cherry garden ... but not earlier

[Ovsigovets]

and so this SBU promised)))) I would understand if the Ministry of Industry promised there or the Ministry of Internal Affairs / MO when placing orders ... otherwise the SBU promised)))) But what, by the way, did the Chinese start to cut, take out, fire?

[Dimide]

At the expense of sawing, I have not heard to export, but today "Ukroboronprom" wanted to take over the management of the enterprise.

[Ovsigovets]

Well, why did you initially put negative into the message ???? and investment in the enterprise will also pour in UBP ???

[tralflot1832]

I'll try seriously. Ukraine is a sovereign (not laughing) state and decides what needs to be done (not laughing) to ensure its defenses. Motor Sich, under government control, got a chance for a long and happy life (not laughing). And let the Chinese deal with amers themselves. who is more interested in Ukraine and who can give more money. (You can laugh)

[Nikon O'Conor]

Thank you mood in + and to you +

[antivirus]

I agree - and they will pay for independent decisions themselves.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: tralflot1832

I'll try seriously. Ukraine is a sovereign (not laughing) state and decides what needs to be done (not laughing) to ensure its defenses. Motor Sich under the control of the government got a chance for a long and happy life (not laughing) .. (You can laugh)

Don't be confused "State" и "people running the state".

Quote: tralflot1832

.And the Chinese and the Amers let them figure out who has more interests in Ukraine and who can give more money. (You can laugh)

The USA has a "handicap" in Ukraine - the PRC is only "catching up" so far ...

[tralflot1832]

You have seriously stated this, and I am humorously. During this time I have unearthed an interesting topic on Nord Stream 2. We are waiting on VO at least something about the stream, let's laugh! I promise!

[Cowbra]

And where will 3,5 lard for the Chinese be raised now?

[Terenin]

Quote: Cowbra

And where will 3,5 lard for the Chinese be raised now?

They will think about this when the hangover comes, and now the lads are getting high.

[iouris]

Who will replace Zelya? The one who will replace, he will declare that Zelya stole everything and fled to the Crimea.

[iouris]

So do not get yourself to anyone!

[Machete]

They will destroy it and sell it out. The scheme has been worked out for a long time in our country as well.

[Nikon O'Conor]

I don’t know ("we have too"). It all depends on the leader. Our former city-forming machine plant (PA "Strela") During the USSR, it produced jet engines and target aircraft missiles. Yes, the polar fox ran into the catastrophe, but they began to churn out pots, pans, vacuum cleaners and other non-technological nonsense, but the plant survived. Now they make "Yakhonts", "Onyxes", "Bramosas" and it seems (there is no reliable information) Calibers and assembly of helicopters ....

[Machete]

And in the 90s, where did the thousands of enterprises go? Same way. Closed and sold. It seems that everyone knows this. Ukraine goes through what we went through.

[Nikon O'Conor]

I say, everything is from the leader, who survived more literately. Ukraine? what is Ukraine? I don’t know that.

[xomaNN]

"The answer" from the offended Chinese has already come! A claim for 3.5 billion tanks of whale. the investor has already applied for the country U. And trade with China is critically important for U.

[Avior]

And where did he file this claim?

[xomaNN]

The claim is filed by a private whale. campaign in the international court. On uk..r. right they don't trust

[Avior]

I ask, in which particular court?

[xomaNN]

Skyrizon (China) filed a claim to international arbitration. (I myself did not participate in filing the claim, )

[Strashila]

"having threatened otherwise with a claim for $ 3,6 billion as compensation for the harm caused to the investment business of the PRC.", let them stand in line to return the money, even if they win the courts, Ukraine will not return anything to its comrades, just like Russia ...

[Evil 55]

They dug up the ax of war .. Now the "Red Dragon" has free hands. And the revenge of the Asians is insidious and terrible ..

[Avior]

... otherwise threatening with a claim for $ 3,6 billion in compensation

The Chinese have been threatening them for a long time, but there has never been a claim. It is not clear at all where they are going to submit it and how they are going to justify the amount - they officially paid Boguslaev 250 million for the shares, from which they demand 3,6 billion, it is completely unclear

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Avior

The Chinese have been threatening them for a long time, but there has never been a claim.

Not at all. You still don't read periodicals. In vain.
The Supreme Court opened a case at the suit of the Chinese shareholders of the Motor Sich company. This was reported to RBC-Ukraine on March 19 by the lawyers of the shareholder companies.
The lawsuit demands to cancel the decree of the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky on the imposition of sanctions with the blocking of assets and a ban on entry into the country for heads of companies from China.
According to the agency, the Supreme Court demanded that the Security Service of Ukraine, as a co-defendant in the claim, provide evidence, which became the basis for recommendations to the National Security and Defense Council on the application of sanctions against companies from China.
The court hearings on the claim are scheduled for April 5 and 22. The co-defendants in the claim will be the SBU, which initiated the sanctions, and the NSDC, which decided to apply them.
Read more here: https://gordonua.com/news/politics/verhovnyy-sud-nachal-rassmotrenie-iska-kitayskih-akcionerov-motor-sch-1544887.html

It's incomprehensible at allwhere are they going to serve it

It happens.

how they are going to justify the amount - they officially paid Boguslaev 250 million for the shares, from which they demand 3,6 billion, it is completely unclear

It is also unclear to me, tk. there is no calculation for the Chinese claim, one can only assume what is included in the cost of the claim 3,6 billion:
1. Real damage - 250 million; 2. Lost profits (lost profits due to the breakdown of the transaction, it will be difficult to prove); 3. Reputational costs (also difficult to prove); 4. Legal expenses.

[Avior]

The Supreme Court is the court of Ukraine, and the lawsuit has nothing to do with those mythical 3,6 billion
The lawsuit to the Supreme Court concerns only Zelensky's decree on the recently imposed sanctions.
Where they are going to file a claim for 3,6 billion is not clear.
And about the calculation of the amount, no serious court will count the lost 1000 percent of the profit.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Avior

The Supreme Court is the court of Ukraine, and the lawsuit has nothing to do with those mythical 3,6 billion
The lawsuit to the Supreme Court concerns only Zelensky's decree on the recently imposed sanctions.
Where they are going to file a claim for 3,6 billion is not clear.
And about the calculation of the amount, no serious court will count the lost 1000 percent of the profit.

I only replied to your statements that:
1) the Chinese comrades have not filed a claim;
2) where did this amount of the claim come from.
I have answered these questions for you. What else do you want ....?
Formulate the questions normally.

PS Without the resolution of the above dispute in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Chinese comrades will not be able to apply, for example, to MAKS.

[Avior]

The lawsuit in the supreme court has nothing to do with the dispute over the purchase of shares
This is a sanctions suit

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Avior

The lawsuit in the supreme court has nothing to do with the dispute over the purchase of shares
This is a sanctions suit

It has. Have you read the article?

Based on the materials of the SBU, the Shevchenkovsky District Court of Kiev made a decision to arrest the integral property complex and 100% of shares of Motor Sich JSC

Or have you already forgotten the subject of the deal between your Chinese comrades and Ukraine?

[Avior]

There is no deal with Ukraine
A private Chinese company bought shares from a private person - Vyacheslav Aleksandrovich Boguslaev.
But he did not receive approval for the enlargement of the block of shares. The history stretches back to 22017.
And the claim to the Supreme Court is connected with this decree of Zelensky
https://www.rnbo.gov.ua/ua/Ukazy/4793.html
The decree was issued only in January of this year. Here is the decree and the contested in the Supreme Court

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Avior

There is no deal with Ukraine

I made a reservation.

[xorek]

China doesn’t like to be thrown so insolently, I think it will ask Russia for help in order to jointly punish these State Department beddings ..
There, from this enterprise, only one foundation remained, well, and the drawings .. Why did the Kiev junta suddenly come to its senses? The order came from the State Department ..? After all, they destroyed EVERYTHING that the Soviet people built for them together!

[Ovsigovets]

and they are definitely "tseevropeyskaya" country ????? then some kind of revolution / counter-revolution smells like))))))) .... and so well done ... let's also bring down trade with the PRC

[Ros 56]

It's definitely E, but not a European country.

[Prisoner]

They broke up with Russia, they also started the process with China. Morons Grandmothers! How are they going to live? Or is it dead, is it dead?

[TerraSandera]

America is with them!

[Prisoner]

This is rather a big minus than a plus.

[Ros 56]

In as Banderlog checkers waving and to hell with the laws. Wanted, sold, wanted, returned back. But apparently everything has its time, they will also hiccup on a large scale. A response from the Chinese comrades will arrive and probably faster than these remnants think.

[Boromir1941]

Quote: hydrox

If we succeed with Novorossiya, then we will have the opportunity to make a State Concern on the basis of Motor Sich, because if the statehood of Ukraine ends, then the property that is under the management of this agency becomes NOTHING (more precisely, the subject that will be located on this territory !!!) ..
But there is another very old adage that has not been canceled: "The winner takes EVERYTHING !!" - so there is also our national interest in Donbass affairs, since Novorossia has ALWAYS been Russian territory and it will simply return to its native harbor!

believe everything to this and goes. nobody wants to be ruled by the Nazis. completely cut off