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"Preventive measure - arrest": General Director of 10 SRZ was detained for embezzlement of funds during the repair of the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov"

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"Preventive measure - arrest": General Director of 10 SRZ was detained for embezzlement of funds during the repair of the aircraft carrier "Admiral Kuznetsov"

In Murmansk, the general director of the 10th shipyard was arrested as part of a criminal case on embezzlement of funds allocated for the repair of the aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov. It is reported by TASS with reference to a source in law enforcement.


According to the source, a measure of restraint was applied against the general director - arrest, the decision was made by the Oktyabrsky court of the city of Murmansk. A criminal case was initiated over the theft of 45 million rubles during the repair of the Admiral Kuznetsov cruiser.

As part of the case, searches were carried out on the territory of the 10th Order of the Red Banner of Labor shipyard, as well as in the places of residence of the heads of the shipyard.

The basis was the criminal case opened against the general director of the enterprise, who is suspected of embezzling about 45 million rubles allocated for the repair of the cruiser "Admiral Fleet Soviet Union Kuznetsov "

- said the source.

According to 47 News, the 10th SRZ was supposed to perform several stages of cleaning the fuel tanks at the Admiral Kuznetsov, which it successfully reported back in the summer of 2019. According to the documents, the enterprise spent 23 thousand standard hours on work, in fact, having worked only 13 thousand. The overstatement was 45 million rubles.

Recall that the repair and modernization of the Admiral Kuznetsov Tavkr began in 2017. It was originally planned that the cruiser will be delivered to the customer in 2020, but a series of accidents on the ship led to the fact that the timing of the return of the TAVKR began to shift to the right. Currently, Admiral Kuznetsov is located at the 35th shipyard in Murmansk (Zvyozdochka branch).
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  1. seregin-s1
    seregin-s1 20 March 2021 07: 26
    +18
    It's just a shame of some kind!
    1. Victor_B
      Victor_B 20 March 2021 07: 28
      +37
      Quote: seregin-s1
      It's just a shame of some kind!

      Alas...
      Rather a pattern ...
      ICHSKH! They plant them, plant them, but they do not get smaller ...
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 20 March 2021 07: 43
        +45
        Quote: Victor_B
        They plant them, plant them, but they don't get smaller ...

        Maybe it should be like in China? To the wall? repeat
        1. bar
          bar 20 March 2021 07: 55
          +4
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          Maybe it should be like in China? To the wall?

          We don't have that much population sad
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 20 March 2021 07: 57
            +23
            This has never happened before, and here again!

            But he was a hundred percent ardent confused! They are all here in words for the tsar and the bonds, but in fact they are terry thieves and bribe-takers. Putin's vertical. Dull for twenty years.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 20 March 2021 08: 15
              +16
              Oh yes, hare a. Thieves are thieves. One color
              1. Stas157
                Stas157 20 March 2021 08: 19
                +16
                Quote: carstorm 11
                Oh yes, hare a. Thief is thief... One color

                Well, the whole system is made of thieves. In a systemic way. And the system is full of confusion! No others.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 20 March 2021 08: 22
                  -2
                  Well, the whole system is made of thieves. Not? And the system is full of confusion! No others.

                  As if the communists weren't stealing, yeah.
                  1. Stas157
                    Stas157 20 March 2021 08: 58
                    +20
                    Quote: lucul
                    As if the communists weren't stealing, yeah.

                    Not in such marketable quantities. If we compare (if, in principle, this can be done), then we can say that they did not steal at all.

                    The most honest system was!
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 20 March 2021 09: 05
                      -10%
                      Yes Yes. Of course. We directly believe in honest communists. The number of criminal cases of theft apparently appeared from the dampness. Oh, in the nineties, didn't they shatter the country into cogs, didn't they?) Wasn't it your system that raised them? 90 percent of whom are taken under arrest for 50.
                      1. Stas157
                        Stas157 20 March 2021 10: 41
                        +7
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        Yes Yes. Of course. We directly believe in honest communists... The number of criminal cases of theft apparently appeared from the dampness.

                        Now the thieves have yachts, palaces, planes in cash. And do not plant them, as a rule. And if they are imprisoned, then those who did not fit in without total confiscation.
                        And before in the USSR, at least anyone had such wealth? Not. Only the camera and the sky in a cage for thieves (if it doesn't reach the tower).

                        Dmitry, stop throwing stones at our bright past! And then from the present without a hopeless existence, one might think that there has always been such a hopelessness!

                        Quote: bar
                        There were simply fewer opportunities.

                        You're right. The system was different! There was also a shame that is not there now. And they were afraid of capital punishment, which now the dishonest government has prudently canceled.
                      2. Whiteidol
                        Whiteidol 20 March 2021 13: 19
                        +4
                        There was corruption in the USSR. And if it was possible to buy palaces, yachts, etc. in the USSR, they would be bought. And so the money was invested in what could be bought: gold, stones, art, etc. Here's a look at the case: Caviar business, Shchelokov business, Eliseevsky store business, Cotton business, Azerbaijan business. In the USSR, the death penalty was provided for theft (of state property) on an especially large scale.
                    2. Stas157
                      Stas157 20 March 2021 12: 08
                      0
                      Why in every case of theft and bribery of Russian officials appear intricate detailed stories about how terribly they stole in the USSR (sometimes in the USA)?

                      What's your favorite topic? Apparently, you are already great specialists in this! But for some reason, these gentlemen are diligently avoiding the topic of Russian lawlessness. Noticing only, they say, in Russia everything is in order, no worse than others!
                    3. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 20 March 2021 12: 27
                      -11%
                      Not mine. These are just facts. Whether you like it or not. Infantile excuses cannot change this.
                  2. bayard
                    bayard 20 March 2021 12: 23
                    +6
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    Oh, in the nineties, didn't they shatter the country into cogs, didn't they?)

                    They . yes
                    And the Komsomol leaders. wink
                    In the film about Chapaev, a peasant asks Chapay, "The people are struggling here, are you for BOLSHEVIKOV, or are you for the communists?"
                    This is a very correct question.
                    The Great Country was built by the BOLSHEVIKS under the leadership of Stalin.
                    And it was destroyed by the communists.
                    Trotsky was a communist.
                    And Stalin was a Bolshevik
                    Khrushchev was a Trotskyist ... well, everything after him ... Brezhnev was really a good guy ...
                    And it was Khrushchev who renamed the VKPB to the CPSU.
                    And with the name, the essence has also changed ... although it did not immediately become obvious ...
                    The current party nomenklatura (United Russia) are organic immigrants from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Komsomol, the Trotskyite-Gorbachev culture.
                    Yeltsin, Gaidar and Chubais are their godfathers.
                    ... Well, how can you not steal? ... repeat
                    And who should shoot them? ... request
                    "We are not 37th" ... winked
                    And not China ... where the criminal's family pays even for the spent cartridge. bully
                  3. 4thParasinok
                    4thParasinok 20 March 2021 14: 26
                    +8
                    Quote: bayard
                    "We are not 37th" ...
                    And not China ... where the criminal's family pays even for the spent cartridge

                    and that's why they canceled the tower, so as not to be under it ourselves.
                  4. bayard
                    bayard 20 March 2021 15: 27
                    +6
                    yes bully
                    First ... no ...
                    The FIRST thing that these shock workers of capitalism and champions of democracy did when they seized power (in 1991) was to abolish the DEATH PENALTY.
                    Rather ... introduced a moratorium on it ...
                    And to this day, fears about responsibility cannot be dealt with ... the complex of a pathological criminal. request
                2. Alex777
                  Alex777 20 March 2021 15: 42
                  +3
                  Khodorkovsky of the Komsomol leaders is just ... bully
                3. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 16: 09
                  +6
                  Quote: Alex777
                  Khodorkovsky of the Komsomol leaders is just ... bully

                  Like Valka Matvienko.
                4. Alex777
                  Alex777 20 March 2021 16: 10
                  0
                  How many Hodor stole - no one can repeat it.
              2. bayard
                bayard 20 March 2021 17: 36
                +7
                Quote: Alex777
                Khodorkovsky of the Komsomol leaders is just ...

                yes At the end of the Union, he headed the NTTM Center (Scientific and Technical Creativity of Youth) at the Central Committee of the Komsomol. On Sretenka.
                And Nevzlin was his deputy.
                And Surkov started with him (Mikhail) in the security service.
                And Abramovich Roman is from there - from the Komsomol leaders.
          2. Serg koma
            Serg koma 21 March 2021 11: 31
            +1
            Quote: carstorm 11
            No yours did the system raise them?

            Which system raised you?
          3. Sofa
            Sofa 21 March 2021 23: 25
            +1
            What to believe ??? That the army was strong under the communists, housing was provided for free, medicine and education were at the highest level, this is not enough for you ??? and his henchmen, they began to fall apart back in the 80s. And now billions are being stolen.
        2. bar
          bar 20 March 2021 09: 22
          +5
          Quote: Stas157
          Not in such marketable quantities.

          There were simply fewer opportunities. And as soon as these opportunities appeared, they grabbed, together with the Komsomol members, to which little hands reached.
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 20 March 2021 12: 33
            -6
            If you add the size of theft in trade missions, I'm afraid the gentlemen of red will wash up here and quickly
        3. loki565
          loki565 20 March 2021 09: 40
          +1
          No, then it was believed that everything was common and they dragged everything that was bad)))
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 20 March 2021 12: 34
            -5
            Nesuny the word did not appear out of thin air.
          2. Machito
            Machito 21 March 2021 23: 42
            0
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Nesuny the word did not appear out of thin air.

            Our State Planning Commission is all this business
            Forecasts skillfully
            So even stealing
            Our celebration is approaching ... (C)
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 20 March 2021 10: 56
        +6
        The system was serious. Controlled better, punished seriously, and money, thieves, rarely went so much for future use ... there was simply nowhere to put them! With rare exceptions, especially cunningly ... well-dressed frames.
        1. Genry
          Genry 20 March 2021 12: 23
          +9
          Quote: rocket757
          The system was serious. Controlled better, punished seriously, and money, thieves, rarely went so much for future use

          After Khrushchev's 20th Congress, under the guise of refusing to repressions, the system of control over party functionaries was completely removed. And away we go: collecting, gifts, entertainment ... And the system of material support (almost like in the army, but the level of the "elite") and gift food rations ...
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 20 March 2021 13: 41
          +3
          This is how I always note that in a serious way it began with how our party leadership protected itself from everything and everyone.
          An unfortunate, tragic fact of our history.
    2. SpbGenn
      SpbGenn 20 March 2021 11: 29
      +7
      In my gardening, the dacha of the beginning of the final of the Leningrad Military District and the dacha of the beginning of the rear of the 6th Army Vozd. Even by the standards of the 70s, modest buildings. This is how it should be.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 March 2021 13: 44
        -1
        Well, yes, in the late 70s I looked at the "dachas" of Romanov and the commander of the LVO .... everything was "very modest", behind a high fence.
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 20 March 2021 13: 12
      +3
      Quote: Stas157
      Not in such marketable quantities.

      And at the same time, for a little - they SAGGED !!!
    4. Alex777
      Alex777 20 March 2021 15: 35
      +2
      The most honest system was!

      Yeah. Even from the shops everything was stolen then. laughing
      Or did you not live in the USSR? wink
    5. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor 20 March 2021 17: 09
      +5
      Because there was the death penalty. I am for the Chinese approach!
  2. DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 20 March 2021 10: 30
    +6
    Quote: lucul
    As if the communists weren't stealing, yeah.

    These are the ones that stole, without any problem in capitalism and built in.

    PS Maybe it is necessary in socialist countries to periodically introduce capitalism (NEP) for a while and weed out the excess ...
    As if self-cleaning without such big losses as now. hi
  3. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 20 March 2021 10: 40
    +2
    As if the communists weren't stealing

    They stole how! They only took greyhounds and carcasses. Money was not particularly held in high esteem, it was easy to burn.
    1. 4thParasinok
      4thParasinok 20 March 2021 14: 29
      +2
      Doesn't 100 Swiss gold watches refer to the "greyhound"?
    2. akarfoxhound
      akarfoxhound 20 March 2021 16: 03
      +1
      Quote: Alex Justice
      As if the communists weren't stealing

      They stole how! They only took greyhounds and carcasses. Money was not particularly held in high esteem, it was easy to burn.

      The question was not to burn, but to spend nowhere. Vaughn Yuri Antonov once said that everything was crammed into him with Soviet money, there was nowhere to poke. And nowhere to spend. Well, a Volga car, well, 2-3 cooperative apartments, a summer residence, everything ... twist the rest with a tube and stick it wherever you want.
  4. for
    for 20 March 2021 11: 19
    +2
    Quote: lucul
    As if the communists weren't stealing, yeah

    They stole, but not all! Many only enjoyed benefits.
    And these all steal and use.
  5. 4thParasinok
    4thParasinok 20 March 2021 14: 24
    +2
    and they steal and steal, and even keep the common funds of the thieves. But the main thing is that they push beautiful slogans, and no one cares about the rest.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 March 2021 15: 04
      -2
      "Nice push slogans" - What are these? No, of course, I know that our officials at all levels "Forced bribe" have long become the second salary and something taken for granted. But still.
      1. 4thParasinok
        4thParasinok April 14 2021 16: 38
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        "Nice push slogans" - What are these?

        do you know what the slogans of the communists ????
  6. Aleksandr1971
    Aleksandr1971 21 March 2021 08: 26
    0
    Interestingly, what was the salary of such a director and the like?

    If the salary provides a decent standard of living, that is, 300 - 400 thousand rubles. monthly or more, then the director for theft should be severely punished.
    But if his salary is less than 200 thousand rubles, then you can understand, forgive (subject to the return of the stolen goods) and raise the salary to an acceptable level.
  • hydrox
    hydrox 20 March 2021 08: 40
    +16
    Quote: Stas157
    Well, the whole system is made of thieves. In a systemic way.

    A person who finds himself in a system built by thieves and kept on a thieves' vertical, mutual responsibility and personal loyalty to the boss, cannot be a NEE, they only take their own people there and only on recommendations - you don't know how to steal - go to the janitors!
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 20 March 2021 08: 58
      -3
      Quote: hydrox
      NEVOROM

      Colleague, there is no such word
      there is "Not a thief", denial, damn it
      I agree with the message
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 03
      +5
      Quote: hydrox
      A person who finds himself in a system built by thieves and kept on a thieves' vertical, mutual responsibility and personal loyalty to the boss, cannot be a NEP, they take only their own people there and only on recommendations

      So this is the Vertical! Tracing paper of today!
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 20 March 2021 09: 03
    -2
    Do not carry a blizzard. In the east, everyone stole. Red, white, brown. I saw it myself. from a simple locksmith to a director. Syst4ma pancake. You need to know the history of your country. What's in the union, what's in the Republic of Ingushetia. Pearly all who could
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 March 2021 09: 49
      +14
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Do not carry blizzards

      You are still carrying a blizzard .. In the USSR there was no such scale and close .. even in the Republic of Ingushetia they stole more modestly .. and the way they drag in the Russian Federation has never happened ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 20 March 2021 10: 09
        -1
        Seriously? In the system of the Ministry of Trade for 9 months of 1946, only according to official data, embezzlement and embezzlement in the amount of 131,5 mil. rubles, and for 9 months of 1947 by 151,1 mil. rubles. In consumer cooperatives for 9 months of 1946, theft and embezzlement were revealed in the amount of 269,8 million. rubles, and for 9 months of 1947 by 342,7 mil. rubles. "In the nineties, the OBHS archives were opened. You can read and cry
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 20 March 2021 10: 14
          +9
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Seriously? In the system of the Ministry of Trade for 9 months of 1946, only according to official data, embezzlement and embezzlement in the amount of 131,5 mil. rubles, and for 9 months of 1947 by 151,1 mil. rubles. In consumer cooperatives for 9 months of 1946, theft and embezzlement were revealed in the amount of 269,8 million. rubles, and for 9 months of 1947 by 342,7 mil. rubles. "In the nineties, the OBHS archives were opened. You can read and cry

          It was revealed and returned to the state .. and this is a penny in comparison with today's scale, where the colonel has several KAMAZs of money in his apartment ..
          In the USSR, there was no point in stealing on such a scale .. because there was nowhere to spend without being lit up at the same time .. but now please .. I became an official and immediately the cottage appeared .. and the children went to Europe to study, and then real estate was formed there. . and no one to work, compare incomes with expenses ..
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 20 March 2021 10: 15
          -4
          Are you sho?) do not deny the fact of theft?)))) I don’t steal, but my children will also study abroad. So, what is next? Except for the eldest.
        3. Svarog
          Svarog 20 March 2021 10: 18
          +4
          Are you sho?) do not deny the fact of theft?))))

          Did I deny it? Indicate in which comment? It's all about the scale.
        4. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 20 March 2021 10: 23
          -4
          Then they stole, now they steal. Before them, too, perly everything that lies badly. Do not deny the fact of fighting this. Without such news, you would not know. The number of criminal cases exceeds all forecasts. The only bad thing is that the punishment is weak. I think with this we are similar that the death penalty for this will be adequate.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 March 2021 15: 07
      -1
      "Seriously? In the system of the Ministry of Trade for 9 months of 1946, only according to official data, embezzlement and embezzlement in the amount of 131,5 million rubles were revealed, and for 9 months of 1947 by 151,1 million rubles. In consumer cooperation for 9 months In 1946, embezzlement and embezzlement were revealed in the amount of 269,8 million rubles, and for 9 months of 1947 - 342,7 million rubles. " In the nineties, the OBHS archives were opened. You can read and cry "And this is a penny in comparison with today's scale" - In the 40s it was a lot of money compared to our current billions of rubles.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 10: 16
    +9
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Seriously?

    They were being shot. Now what? And, yes, we are not in thirty-seventh year. Sits a bit, comes out, enough for the Maldives kopecks.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 20 March 2021 10: 17
    -2
    We're talking about action, not punishment. Here I have no differences with you.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 10: 28
    +11
    Quote: carstorm 11
    We're talking about action, not punishment.

    I am one hundred percent sure that many will think very well with their heads before making such postscripts, if they will smear their foreheads with brilliant green for theft of especially large ones and carry out confiscation from close relatives in accordance with their income and expenses. Act? Admiral Kuznetsov is not a rusty fishing trough, this is the only ship of its kind in Russia, he is receiving increased attention, and here "respected" people strive to whistle.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 20 March 2021 10: 41
    -2
    Yes, I don’t argue with that. The embezzlers must be exterminated. Physically. I just face it all the time in my work. Huge salaries and bonuses. And still a rod. In my opinion, only food is not paid for and the question is, why?
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 20 March 2021 10: 46
    -8
    The plump Zhdanov did not lose a single gram of weight during the blockade. Didn't he steal or was he full of air?
    Zhukov and other communists took out the stolen valuables from Germany in whole wagons.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 11: 14
    0
    Quote: Alex Justice
    The plump Zhdanov did not lose a single gram of weight during the blockade.

    Can you submit documents for Zhdanov's weight category before and after the blockade?
    Quote: Alex Justice
    Zhukov and other communists took out the stolen valuables from Germany in whole wagons.

    I will not ask who these "other communists" are, can you prove that the things are stolen? Well, this chair disappeared from the burgher Hans, and this vase from Hertha's Fraulens?
    Let me remind you that in Germany you could buy a lot for a penny.
  • SpbGenn
    SpbGenn 20 March 2021 11: 15
    +2
    It was necessary to take the whole of Germany together with the population to the Tyumen Territory, where their ancestral home was. The Zhukovs showed humanism towards them.
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 20 March 2021 13: 04
    +5
    Quote: Alex Justice
    Plump Zhdanov did not lose a single gram of weight during the blockades

    This is an old hat, long broken by documentary information that Zhdanov had diabetes, and he could not afford any excesses by definition.
  • Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 21 March 2021 09: 48
    -2
    Either he is moderately well-fed in all the pictures.
  • for
    for 20 March 2021 11: 29
    +4
    Quote: carstorm 11
    In the system of the Ministry of Trade for 9 months of 1946, only according to official data, embezzlement and embezzlement in the amount of 131,5 mil. rubles, and for 9 months of 1947 by 151,1 mil. rubles

    At the same time, prices went down.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 20 March 2021 11: 36
    -6
    We're talking about theft. Not about prices.
  • DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 20 March 2021 10: 36
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    even in the Republic of Ingushetia they stole more modestly ... but the way they drag in the Russian Federation has never happened ...

    "It never happened, and here it is again!" ©
  • Moore
    Moore 20 March 2021 10: 53
    +3
    Quote: Svarog
    even in RI they stole more modestly.

    Well, how can I say ... The current embezzlers are direct descendants of the unforgettable Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovich. They are making notes on his biography, apparently ...
  • Paranoid50
    Paranoid50 20 March 2021 12: 58
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    The USSR did not have this scale and is close ..

    These people refute:
  • clerk
    clerk 20 March 2021 16: 58
    0
    ... The USSR did not have this scale and is close
    ... "In his house, Georgadze kept more than 20 kilograms of gold products, jewelry, gold bars, original paintings by famous masters of painting, including Leonardo da Vinci, as well as huge sums of money: several tens of millions in rubles, dollars, pounds and other currencies. (Source: What was found during the search at the secretary of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet Georgadze
    © Russian Seven russian7.ru). For reference: the Project 1135 patrol boat cost approx. 50 million Soviet rubles.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 18: 33
      +5
      Quote: clerk
      "In his house Georgadze kept more than 20 kilograms of gold items, jewelry,

      At Vasilyeva's 51 thousand precious stones were found, except for gold. Georgadze shot himself, and this sheep is holding an exhibition. Talent!
    2. clerk
      clerk 20 March 2021 19: 03
      -6
      At Vasilyeva's 51 thousand precious stones were found, except for gold. Georgadze shot himself, and this sheep is holding an exhibition. Talent!
      For 130 million rubles in 2013 prices - 4 million dollars. Compared to tens of millions of Soviet rubles, Georgadze is a trifle
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 19: 15
      +5
      For such a trifle in the USSR, she would have been shot. And not only in the USSR. However, there is nothing to talk about with you, defenders. You can steal from any "respected" person, but what, after all, some others have stolen even more, even if they have rotted long ago in the ground, having died a shameful death.
    4. clerk
      clerk 20 March 2021 19: 35
      -7
      ... For such a trifle in the USSR, she would have been shot.
      Stupidity.
      ... However, there is nothing to talk about with you, defenders. You can steal any "respected"
      Another nonsense. And to approach modern realities with the standards of the USSR is the third and main nonsense.
    5. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 19: 41
      +3
      Quote: clerk
      Stupidity.

      It's on your tongue that stupidity sits on stupidity and drives you with stupidity.
    6. clerk
      clerk 20 March 2021 19: 48
      -3
      ... It’s on your tongue that stupidity sits on stupidity and drives you with stupidity
      Unfortunately, your comments on this topic do not deserve other epithets.
  • SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 22 March 2021 07: 29
    0
    And to approach modern realities with the standards of the USSR-the third and main stupidity .. you today, judge then, on the contrary, you have stupidity?
  • clerk
    clerk 22 March 2021 07: 39
    0
    ... you today, judge then and on the contrary you have stupidity?
    no need to ascribe to me what I did not say - I do not condemn the USSR. ... But to judge the present day by the standards of even the stagnant USSR (not to mention Stalin's) is really stupid.
  • SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 23 March 2021 08: 27
    0
    Why judge? Compare. But you are right to even compare with Stalin's socialism.
  • clerk
    clerk 23 March 2021 10: 13
    0
    I also compare. The funds found during the search at Georgadze could be used to build a frigate. Therefore, when they say that then they stole less, it is from a misunderstanding of the essence of the processes. There was probably less direct personal embezzlement, but bribes (now called kickbacks) for the right to formally legal squandering of state funds were quite comparable.
  • SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 23 March 2021 21: 28
    0
    Well, this is no longer socialism .. the country has been gradually descended to this since the mid-50s.
  • IL-18
    IL-18 21 March 2021 00: 22
    0
    Interestingly! The main theft was in the union republics. Local residents did not believe that for an amount equivalent to the cost of the VAZ-2106 and the banquet they could put up against the wall. When they found out that 10000 was on an especially large scale, they laughed at the Russians.
    And now? Although, the southern coast of the Kara Sea is part of Russia. We must return to the traditions of glorious years.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 21 March 2021 09: 45
    -2
    Quote: Stas157
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Oh yes, hare a. Thief is thief... One color

    Well, the whole system is made of thieves. In a systemic way. And the system is full of confusion! No others.

    Well, then everyone understood that you are a non-confused person, that tryndet is the same thing, what can you say about the article?
  • maratkoRuEkb
    maratkoRuEkb 22 March 2021 13: 35
    0
    Well, yes, of course ... if anyone but the Zaputins comes to power. Well, for example, who do we have? liberals, oppositionists, what Yabloko, rightly dew, communists and now there will be no corruption? Are you so sure? Are there any examples where there is no corruption? If you show them to me, I will show you how corruption flourishes in the same liberal and democratic Europe and the United States)
    Do you think theft depends on the social order? You say that if we declare the victory of the liberdians, the non-Putinists will come to power and that they will stop stealing everything at once ???
  • Mitroha
    Mitroha 20 March 2021 08: 36
    -3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Oh yes, hare a. Thieves are thieves. One color

    Yes, he doesn't care, you see the standard training manual: confused, king, braces.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan 20 March 2021 09: 05
      +1
      Quote: Mitroha
      Yes, he doesn't care, you see the standard training manual: confused, king, braces.

      A hard case, pike vests, can only yell according to the training manual. Criticism is not accepted because of insanity. A criminal case was opened, the director was arrested, and they, as always, are unhappy.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 20 March 2021 09: 52
        +9
        A criminal case was opened, the director was arrested, and they, as always, are unhappy.

        The closer to the elections, the more criminal cases there will be .. a fierce struggle must be shown ..
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 20 March 2021 10: 12
          -3
          Yes, you sho?) And if you take and look at the Old? Every year hundreds of criminal embezzlement cases. At any level.
          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat 20 March 2021 10: 40
            +11
            Here I agree. Take and see. Yearly. Hundreds of criminal cases. Caught, showed, released. At any level.
          2. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 20 March 2021 10: 43
            -4
            The punishment is weak. I don’t argue here.
        2. Maki Avellevich
          Maki Avellevich 20 March 2021 11: 10
          +1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Yes, you sho?) And if you take and look at the Old? Every year hundreds of criminal embezzlement cases. At any level.

          we need to start at least at the ministerial level. then maybe some sense will be.

          and when small bipods are periodically thrown into the arena to the lions for the show ...
          the system is strong ...
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 20 March 2021 12: 06
          +3
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Every year hundreds of criminal embezzlement cases.

          There seems to be a lot of things to do, but there are not enough real landings and jails. Not to mention the confiscation of the stolen goods.
        4. Vadim237
          Vadim237 20 March 2021 15: 14
          0
          And unfortunately, these are far from all the crimes identified under state contracts in the financial and other sectors, and the increase in the number of solved crimes does not indicate the effectiveness of the law enforcement system and the decrease in such crimes, on the contrary, this shows that such crimes are increasing every year.
    2. SpbGenn
      SpbGenn 20 March 2021 11: 18
      +1
      Yes, these nits, who only know how to write dirty tricks, did not hold a wrench in their lives. They sit somewhere in offices and steal either from the owner or from the budget.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 20 March 2021 12: 39
        0
        The artist, writers, composers also did not hold a wrench. All the nits? Pushkin, Tolstoy, Nekrasov are quietly sobbing on the sidelines. Where do you come from just ....
        1. IL-18
          IL-18 21 March 2021 00: 27
          -1
          Tolstoy plowed the ground, for example. Gorky worked from an early age. Lermontov is an officer.
          And any modern shelupon ... Personally, I have only the classics of domestic authors, if we talk about music.
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 21 March 2021 03: 15
          -1
          Yeah. Plowed with a governart for a couple. Lermontov, yes. And then they began to respect the officers? We are mediocre freeloaders on the guard of Putin.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 20 March 2021 09: 09
    +2
    Quote: Mitroha
    He doesn't care, you see standard training manual: confused, king, braces.

    And you do not measure people by yourself. This is for the confused people - there are no standard training manuals and others. And we (and my colleagues) have solid logic, which you can only oppose with vague babble about manuals, State Department agents and liberals.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 20 March 2021 10: 13
      -2
      Well, it's you, unlike me, let's say you hang a portrait. I have never compared you with ke np. And you immediately started to get confused blah blah blah
    2. SpbGenn
      SpbGenn 20 March 2021 11: 19
      -2
      Wag's logic was sent from the same State Department.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 20 March 2021 11: 22
        -1
        Quote: SpbGenn
        Wag's logic was sent from the same State Department.

        You now confirm my words. For confused people, all opponents are agents of the State Department.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 20 March 2021 12: 30
          -7
          Are you normal at all? Adequate? If not on yours means a confused? Are you 12 years old or what?
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 20 March 2021 13: 01
          0
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Are you normal at all? Adequate? If not on yours means a confused?

          And what, you were once against Putin ?? As far as I know you, you only drown for him! At what you justify, even what there is no justification.
        3. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 20 March 2021 13: 02
          -2
          I am generally against everyone. What he said a hundred times. I'm an officer. This means that he is not politically attached. For me you are all sick in the head. What are red and white. All troubles are from you.
          And this is not the answer to my question. If you disagree with you, then the shortcut?
        4. Stas157
          Stas157 20 March 2021 13: 33
          +2
          Quote: carstorm 11
          I'm an officer. Which means not politically attached.

          Very attached! Whitewash power and ED like a black dog. You are such an officer.
        5. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 20 March 2021 13: 38
          -7
          You are healthy? I told you Russians, NO !!! Fuck you speculating for me ??? You have now called almost all of us puppets. Are you fucking at the end ??? go your nuts twist fighter with freaking mode. And do not confuse the coast. To your advantage
  • clerk
    clerk 20 March 2021 17: 08
    -4
    ... And you do not measure people by yourself. This is for the confused people - there are no standard training manuals and others. And we (with colleagues) have a solid logic, which you can only oppose vague babble about manuals, agents of the State Department and a liberal
    Your "logic" is not just solid - it has long been petrified, like a gov ... about a mammoth, and does not correspond to any reality.
    ... And what, you were once against Putin ?? As far as I know you, you only drown for him! At what you justify, even what there is no justification.
    Gobbled demagoguery "weakly" and not a single fact. Primary school level
  • SARANCHA1976
    SARANCHA1976 22 March 2021 07: 32
    0
    The main thing is that you will live up to retirement
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 March 2021 10: 01
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Oh yes, hare a. Thieves are thieves. One color

    And where they do not steal, yes, in any country, theft has been, is and will be (in China there is less, but they steal).
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich 20 March 2021 11: 12
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      And where they do not steal, yes, in any country, theft has been, is and will be (in China there is less, but they steal).

      as you rightly pointed out, a person is weak and steals.
      only the mashataba are different and the harm to society is different.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 March 2021 11: 45
        +1
        Quote: Maki Avellievich
        the person is weak and steals.
        only the mashataba are different and the harm to society is different.

        As they said in RI, "And who gets in the way, pickpockets and bazaar thieves."
  • loki565
    loki565 20 March 2021 08: 31
    +9
    Once they are imprisoned, it means that the supervisory authorities are working, it is much worse when they are silent and let the brakes go.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 20 March 2021 08: 42
      +4
      Do not worry: just over half of them are hushed up, but if they inherited, they are handed over under the command "Take it !!"
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 04
        +2
        Quote: hydrox
        but if inherited -

        Rather, did not share
      2. loki565
        loki565 20 March 2021 09: 31
        -5
        Do not worry: just over half of them are hushed up, but if they inherited, they are handed over under the command "Take it !!"

        Do you have evidence, then why are you not in the prosecutor's office yet?)))
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 10: 36
          +2
          Quote: loki565
          Do you have evidence, then why are you not in the prosecutor's office yet?)))

          Here I was offered to participate in the theft of the budget. In words. No proof. But for some reason I am sure that everything worked out for them.
          1. Whiteidol
            Whiteidol 20 March 2021 13: 33
            0
            YOU reported this to the relevant authorities, or modestly kept silent?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 15: 57
              0
              Quote: Whiteidol
              YOU reported this to the relevant authorities, or modestly kept silent?

              Why the hell am I going to report somewhere without any evidence?
            2. Whiteidol
              Whiteidol 20 March 2021 21: 01
              +1
              Someone suggested you? So there is a face. And this is quite enough.
            3. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 21: 06
              0
              Quote: Whiteidol
              So there is a face. And this is quite enough.

              This person would accuse me of libel and all the cases. And who will they trust more, a worker, or a civil servant, a district-level chief, under whose control dozens of employees?
            4. Whiteidol
              Whiteidol 21 March 2021 14: 44
              +1
              When, where and under what circumstances did this person invite you to take part in the theft of funds? What schemes did it offer? Why exactly for you? What is your role in these schemes? Perhaps the participants in this scheme were mentioned? Where and in what form will the funds obtained by an illicit route be received? The position of the person himself? Who else knows about the offer? Does he have deputies, do they know? Their participation in the scheme? These are just some of the questions that would be asked to you. We also do not forget that a person has a full name, year and date of birth, and his address. He has a subscriber number, he uses instant messengers and social networks, e-mail. He has a family, mistresses, friends and acquaintances, he has property. He makes and spends money. If he lives not by means, (or his closest relatives) it will be seen on the basis of his lifestyle. After collecting and analyzing the necessary information, the survey process is set up. The person is called and uncomfortable questions are asked to which answers are obtained.
            5. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 23 March 2021 04: 07
              -2
              Wow, how many questions that. And it was proposed to play the role of a worker during the 2008 crisis, when money was thrown in to support small and medium businesses. That is, according to the documents I am a worker, in fact I am sitting at home for a meager amount.
            6. Whiteidol
              Whiteidol 23 March 2021 12: 45
              0
              Too much time has passed. But you can drop it if interested parties so desire. The information obtained can be added to the existing and more recent information. It may not bear the evidence load, but it will make a definite opinion.
  • Stas157
    Stas157 20 March 2021 09: 14
    +3
    Quote: loki565
    Once planted it means that the supervisory authorities are working

    This is how we deal with the unwanted. Out of the rut (of the system) - there is always a criminal article against you. Mutual guarantee. This only makes the vicious system stronger.
    1. loki565
      loki565 20 March 2021 09: 43
      -11%
      Request a new training manual, you are already firing))) you are our long-suffering confused)))
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 20 March 2021 10: 14
      -3
      Lies. What is insolent.
    3. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 20 March 2021 10: 22
      +2
      Quote: Stas157
      This is how we deal with the unwanted. Out of the rut (of the system) - there is always a criminal article against you.

      This is how they deal with the unwanted everywhere, not only here.
      1. Stas157
        Stas157 20 March 2021 11: 03
        +1
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        It's everywhere that's how they deal with the unwanted, not only here.

        Yes everything is everywhere available! And those who like to generalize and demogogue use it with pleasure. But there is a difference, which for some reason they do not want to take into account. Somewhere this is at the level of error. And it does not affect the health of the country as a whole. And somewhere - a relapse and a serious illness. Bribery and embezzlement are no longer an integral part of the vicious system.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 20 March 2021 11: 23
          +4
          Quote: Stas157
          Yes, everything is everywhere! And those who like to generalize with pleasure use it. Only there is a difference, which for some reason they do not want to take into account. Somewhere this is at the level of error. And it does not affect the health of the country as a whole. And somewhere there is a relapse and a serious illness.

          I agree that power, money and corruption coexist inseparably, but I do not agree that this does not always affect the health of countries. Reflected because corruption undermines the credibility of government in any country. Today the most corrupt country is the United States, where corruption is legalized and covered by the concept of "lobby". This lobby became the reason for the showdown between Democrats and Republicans, because by placing their man in the presidency, the "winners" get access to the budget and the fattest contracts, which led to the fact that the states went bad. They have no time to deal with the country and the people, they divide the babos.
    4. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 20 March 2021 10: 51
      -7
      Like Furgala on which there is nowhere to put a stamp?) I believed in justice exactly when it was closed.
      1. Whiteidol
        Whiteidol 20 March 2021 13: 37
        +1
        Furgal is charged with a series of contract killings. Well, this is such a trifle that it is not even decent to indicate it here as it is))
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 20 March 2021 13: 39
          -2
          I've known who he is since the 10s. Believe me, even XNUMX percent is not what it deserves
  • SpbGenn
    SpbGenn 20 March 2021 11: 21
    +1
    Supervisory agencies work very modestly ...
  • gloomy
    gloomy 20 March 2021 10: 20
    0
    How remarkable it is for Putin to flatten you.
  • Moore
    Moore 20 March 2021 10: 50
    +8
    Yeah, but Vlasov was like an ardent Stalinist. And Chikatilo was the most loyal citizen of the USSR.
    The point is not who is hiding behind what words.
    It's only a shame that a small thief was caught (what are 45 Lyams at the present time on the scale of general theft - ugh), and the "effective managers" who reduced the motor group of PD-50 diesel workers at the 82nd SRZ got away with it. "Increasing the economic indicators of production" cannot be sewn into business. Otherwise, seditious thoughts about the perniciousness of the market economy may start ...
  • SpbGenn
    SpbGenn 20 March 2021 11: 13
    -6
    He is not a Putin man, he is an ordinary thief. Putin is the one who will do it 2 times faster than prescribed in the state defense order.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 20 March 2021 11: 31
      +5
      Quote: SpbGenn
      He's not a Putin man, he is an ordinary thief.

      I don’t know a single high-ranking official who would drown against Putin! All of them, like tsutsyks, sit under the icon of the tsar in their offices.

      Quote: SpbGenn
      Putin, this is the onewho will do it 2 times faster than prescribed in the state defense order.

      It is necessary to have a bite.
      1. SpbGenn
        SpbGenn 20 March 2021 11: 32
        -7
        I know how to work.))
      2. clerk
        clerk 20 March 2021 17: 16
        -6
        I don’t know a single high-ranking official who would drown against Putin! All of them, like tsutsyks, sit under the icon of the tsar in their offices.
        And do you personally know many high-ranking officials (at least at the level of a deputy minister / governor) or, as usual, did you decide to try?
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 20 March 2021 18: 42
          +5
          Quote: clerk
          And you know many high-ranking officials (at least at the level of a deputy minister / governor) personally or as usual trick decided?

          They are all public people, it is not at all necessary to know them personally in order to form a completely correct opinion. Do you personally know (knew) Chubais, Zhirinovsky, Medvedev ...? But you probably have an opinion about them! therefore tryndite here you are composing ridiculous questions as an objection to an opponent.
          1. clerk
            clerk 20 March 2021 19: 09
            -6
            ... I don’t know a single high-ranking official who would drown against Putin! All of them, like tsutsyks, sit under the icon of the tsar in their offices.
            .
            They are all public people, it is not at all necessary to know them personally in order to form a completely correct opinion. Do you personally know (knew) Chubais, Zhirinovsky, Medvedev ...? But you probably have an opinion about them!
            That is, you started with their opinion about Putin, and then “jumped on” to our opinion about them. A vivid example of your "petrified logic". laughing
            ... Therefore, tryndite here by writing ridiculous questions as an objection to your opponent.
            Why are they ridiculous? You were asked a specific question and your attempt to "jump off the topic" in response perfectly characterizes your demagogic "logic".
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 20 March 2021 12: 20
    -7
    Quote: Stas157
    This has never happened before, and here again!

    But he was a hundred percent ardent confused! They are all here in words for the tsar and the bonds, but in fact they are terry thieves and bribe-takers. Putin's vertical. Dull for twenty years.

    You might think that yours will come to power, they will steal less? In the late 80s, early 90s, the "communists" showed themselves to their full height! The country was lost, everything that is possible and everyone was betrayed, stolen, destroyed. They enriched their children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren for hundreds of years!
  • Whiteidol
    Whiteidol 20 March 2021 13: 09
    -2
    A liberal could not steal. He would have translated everything just beyond the hillock, because only there the Zaputins could not get the loot. And if Alyosha had come to power, in general, repairs would have been made in a week ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 20 March 2021 15: 18
      -1
      Yes, he would have made repairs - his pocket.
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 20 March 2021 15: 58
    -5
    Well, yes, Putin doesn't take a job without bribery, yeah! Directly personally forces! And in China they shoot hundreds for bribes - and these are not CCP members, for sure! Not a single commie from those executed for theft was in a high position, all at the level of non-party road workers, straight to the point! And all those sentenced are secret "ardent zaputintsy"!
    And Peter I chopped Bosko right and left for theft, too, and Aleksashka Menshikov, a friend of the Yevon, was also a zaputinist. Nope, Menshikov could not have known for 3 centuries ahead of course - but in his heart, of course, he was not for Tsar Peter Alekseich, but for Putin's bonds! laughing
  • DMi
    DMi 20 March 2021 16: 01
    -2
    And the liberals do not steal? And the communists don't steal?)) Corruption is everywhere and always present ...
  • kapitan92
    kapitan92 20 March 2021 22: 10
    +4
    Quote: Stas157
    This has never happened before, and here again!

    But he was a hundred percent ardent confused! They are all here in words for the tsar and the bonds, but in fact they are terry thieves and bribe-takers. Putin's vertical. Dull for twenty years.

    The person did not share and got it! laughing
    PD 50 drowned, calm and quiet! Owner of Rosneft.
    For some reason, Rosneft does not see its fault in the catastrophe and is not eager to raise it.
    Meanwhile, the PD-50 lies at the bottom and rusts. hi
  • Mitroha
    Mitroha 20 March 2021 08: 02
    +16
    Equate to terrorism and treason. Return the death penalty for these crimes.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 05
      +20
      Quote: Mitroha
      Equate to terrorism and treason. Return the death penalty for these crimes.

      And let the relatives prove that they were able to buy the goods recorded on them!
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      2. Mitroha
        Mitroha 20 March 2021 09: 09
        +4
        Quote: Silvestr

        And let the relatives prove that they were able to buy the goods recorded on them!

        Any "close people", musicians are also considered laughing
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 27
          +12
          Quote: Mitroha
          Any "close people", musicians are also considered

          Yes, the entire "conservatory" can be taken - it is extremely difficult to make a mistake
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 March 2021 18: 06
      +21
      Quote: Mitroha
      Equate to terrorism and treason. Return the death penalty for these crimes

      Do you believe that he will become p belay shoot yourself ?!
  • Mitroha
    Mitroha 20 March 2021 09: 12
    +6
    Quote: bar
    Quote: LIONnvrsk
    Maybe it should be like in China? To the wall?

    We don't have that much population sad

    And we do not need the population of SUCH QUALITY (thieves)
  • Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 20 March 2021 11: 07
    0
    Quote: bar
    Quote: LIONnvrsk
    Maybe it should be like in China? To the wall?

    We don't have that much population


    there are not so many walls.
  • frruc
    frruc 21 March 2021 11: 42
    +2
    Do you feel sorry for this ghoul? These are the funds allocated by the state to maintain the country's defense capability. This money could be used to increase salaries and pensions, to build housing and infrastructure, it was simply stolen from the people. Therefore, I think such "leaders" should punish.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 March 2021 09: 28
    +10
    Quote: LIONnvrsk
    Maybe it should be like in China? To the wall?

    It is necessary, it is necessary ... And then just now Andrei from Chelyabinsk asked questions:
    Can we create such a fleet technically? And is our economy able to “pull out” such expenses?

    With such a horde of robbers, we will not create anything ...
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 March 2021 09: 55
      +7
      Quote: ROSS 42
      With such a horde of robbers, we will not create anything ...

      This is exactly what the last 30 years have shown.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 20 March 2021 10: 52
        -5
        Not mon sher) not 30. Much more. Much. Read the classics. Dead souls for example
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 March 2021 17: 59
      +21
      Quote: ROSS 42
      With such a horde of robbers, we will not create anything ...

      The main and permanent manager of the country says that stealing is such a tradition, and presenting himself as the offspring of kings, he said in one of his speeches: “I have already cited this dialogue between Peter I and the Prosecutor General, the Prosecutor General, as now. When he gave examples of theft, Peter suggested that even for small, small crimes, they be exiled to Siberia and executed. To which the Prosecutor General replied: “Who will you stay with, sir? We steal everything. "
      It's kind of like a tradition, you know.... »

      The electorate is very fond of all this action, ved "no time to swing."
  • Snusmumrik
    Snusmumrik 20 March 2021 09: 30
    -1
    If it helped .... It doesn't help in China.
    1. martin-159
      martin-159 20 March 2021 09: 48
      +3
      Compare the economies of China and the Russian Federation. Did not help?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 10: 39
        +1
        Quote: martin-159
        Compare the economies of China and the Russian Federation. Did not help?

        Is it news to you that the size of the budget depends on the economy?
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 20 March 2021 14: 18
        -8
        We do not have and will not have a resource for this. 1,5 yards of residents
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 20 March 2021 15: 25
        -6
        There is no point in comparing the economy of the PRC with the Russian one with a population 10 times larger - the West poured huge funds into the economy of the PRC, moved factories there for decades on this, China and left - Russia had nothing of the kind.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 20 March 2021 10: 01
      +2
      Quote: Snusmumrik
      If it helped ...

      And how can you determine if no one has tried it?
      Quote: Snusmumrik
      It doesn't help in China.

      If we take the volume of production of goods in China and compare the production of military equipment and weapons of China and Russia, it turns out that this is a panacea.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 10: 41
      +6
      Quote: Snusmumrik
      It doesn't help in China.

      Why are you so sure? I'm sure that they have fewer thieves from the budget as a percentage.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 20 March 2021 10: 31
    +11
    Quote: LIONnvrsk
    Maybe it should be like in China? To the wall?

    As it was in the USSR at one time. Theft of social. property on an especially large scale is the highest measure of social protection. Eh, the laws were correct. But, thieves came to power and changed the legislation. The punishment for petty embezzlement in some cases was left the same, in some it was toughened. But for large thefts, the punishment was mitigated. The law directly calls - steal on a large scale, and you will be happy.
  • Mylenef
    Mylenef 20 March 2021 11: 11
    +2
    It won't help, they are not afraid of being shot
    They are afraid of poverty, so all property needs to be confiscated, including from the next of kin
    There is simply no one to ask where the money comes from?
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 21 March 2021 10: 12
      -1
      Quote: Mylenef
      It won't help, they are not afraid of being shot

      Do you want to say that there is no need to fight? They say they still continue to steal.
      1. Mylenef
        Mylenef 26 March 2021 20: 03
        0
        Did you ignore what I wrote below?
        There is just one of the options how to overcome this evil, there would be will
    2. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 26 March 2021 20: 42
      0
      Quote: Mylenef
      It won't help, they are not afraid of being shot

      There is no such thing. Everyone is afraid. They just think that this is their cup. We must deprive them of this hope. Shooting is another proof of the inevitability of punishment.
      1. Mylenef
        Mylenef 27 March 2021 05: 18
        0
        So you need a combination, confiscation from the whole family and the execution of the accused
        Yes, there is no one to do it, alas, everyone there is
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 20 March 2021 12: 02
    +1
    Quote: LIONnvrsk
    Maybe it should be like in China? To the wall?

    In China, this brotherhood is also lacking in spite of the executions. They have been fought with since the time of the caveman, when the leader and his entourage took the best pieces of mammoth meat for themselves. laughing
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 20 March 2021 14: 58
    -4
    It doesn't help China much.
  • frruc
    frruc 21 March 2021 11: 18
    0
    Complete confiscation of property (including relatives) and the construction of the BAM for 15 years. Let the fat dump with the pick in hand, if it doesn't die ahead of time.
  • dorz
    dorz 20 March 2021 07: 44
    +5
    When will they start shooting the thieves ?!
    1. unhappy
      unhappy 20 March 2021 07: 58
      +2
      An easy death for these @ would you like?
      It is necessary to make sure that they themselves ask for an easy death, and potential thieves make an unambiguous and correct choice - to be honest and live according to conscience.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 07
        +8
        Quote: unhappy
        It is necessary to make sure that they themselves ask for an easy death, and potential thieves make an unambiguous and correct choice - to be honest and live according to conscience.

        Vasilyeva's example just shows - I do not want an easy death, I want to become an academician, to paint pictures laughing
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 20 March 2021 10: 05
        0
        Quote: unhappy
        potential thieves made an unambiguous and correct choice - to be honest and live according to their conscience.

        Under J.V. Stalin, they were imprisoned for 20 years and shot, but there were still thieves.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 20 March 2021 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: dorz
      When will they start shooting the thieves ?!

      As soon as Rosgvardia is armed with new pistols, they will immediately begin ... laughing
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 20 March 2021 13: 54
      +1
      Quote: dorz
      When will they start shooting the thieves ?!

      When the "democrats" lift the moratorium on executions. Although, the "stronghold of democracy" is not going to write off its electric sheds and gas chambers.
  • Egoza
    Egoza 20 March 2021 07: 51
    +9
    Quote: Victor_B
    They plant them, plant them, but they don't get smaller ...

    Spring has begun! It is necessary to plant more and on time! Could it be that one general director "launched a paw"? Did you slap the eyes of the accountant?
    1. Mitroha
      Mitroha 20 March 2021 08: 39
      +4
      It is necessary for an accountant to write a statement to the authorities immediately upon such a "proposal", therefore, he must be given the same period as the bribe-taker, or better, more so that there is no doubt.
      For it would be better to part with work than freedom
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 10: 56
        +1
        Quote: Mitroha
        therefore, he must be given the same term as the bribe-taker, and it is better to give him more, so that there are no doubts.

        Do not. Ten percent of the money that the boss stole, and all honest accounting will run to the authorities.
        1. Mitroha
          Mitroha 20 March 2021 11: 03
          +2
          It is necessary not to bribe people, but to make the very idea of ​​accepting bribes impossible. It is not necessary to develop denunciations, but to discredit bribery itself
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 11: 21
            +1
            Quote: Mitroha
            It is necessary not to bribe people, but to make the very idea of ​​accepting bribes impossible.

            I must, I don’t argue. But why not reward the one who discovered the corpus delicti?
            1. Mitroha
              Mitroha 20 March 2021 11: 30
              +1
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: Mitroha
              It is necessary not to bribe people, but to make the very idea of ​​accepting bribes impossible.

              I must, I don’t argue. But why not reward the one who discovered the corpus delicti?

              This will start a wave of denunciations for the sake of earning money, don't you understand? Although this option, as you suggested, is possible after the court verdict. But also so so
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 11: 35
                0
                Quote: Mitroha
                Do you really not understand?

                Of course I understand. So what? And if you denounced it unfairly, then let them deduct 10% of your earnings in favor of the one on whom you slandered.
                1. Mitroha
                  Mitroha 20 March 2021 11: 36
                  0
                  Do you think that our courts are under-loaded?
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 11: 41
                    0
                    Quote: Mitroha
                    Do you think that our courts are under-loaded?

                    Think, yes! I was in court recently. They tried me for going to the store without a mask. Rolled out a fine. I came half an hour earlier, the judge immediately appeared, and within five minutes I was convicted.
                    And the judges do not deal with statements, this is sledakov's work. They also need to give a prize.
                  2. Mitroha
                    Mitroha 20 March 2021 11: 49
                    0
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: Mitroha
                    Do you think that our courts are under-loaded?

                    Think, yes! ... And judges do not deal with statements, this is sledakov's work

                    So I believed that the task was not to paralyze the work of the authorities, but to free them from "blinkering" and set a specific vector of work
                  3. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 11: 56
                    +2
                    Quote: Mitroha
                    but to free them from "blinkering" and set a specific vector of work

                    All in favor. So there is a specific vector - either someone is lying, erecting slander, or there really is a corpus delicti, which must be dealt with. This is the vector of work. And what is wrong?
                  4. Mitroha
                    Mitroha 20 March 2021 11: 59
                    -2
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    And what is wrong?

                    So you propose to bombard the investigating authorities and courts with proceedings with denunciations, which, as you yourself
                    you understand, they will write not only on the case, but also on the diagnosis. From this, justice will definitely not become more "immersed in the case"
                  5. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 12: 10
                    +4
                    Quote: Mitroha
                    So you propose to bombard the investigating authorities and courts with proceedings with denunciations, which, as you yourself
                    you understand, they will write not only on the case, but also on the diagnosis

                    Do not forget, I propose not only to deal with denunciations, but also to collect a fine from the informer if what I wrote about was not confirmed. Okay. Let's do it like this. The state splits 20% of the stolen money in half: 10% to the informer, 10 - to the investigator. If some woman Manya wrote a slander, then this 20% of her pension is withdrawn from her in the same way. I think that such a system will work, and the number of false denunciations will not be some kind of outrageous figure.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 20 March 2021 10: 06
    +3
    Quote: Egoza
    Spring has begun! It is necessary to plant more and on time!

    We have a country of "winter crops" and all plantings (in leadership chairs) take place in the fall. There is one "culture" that is planted in the spring, but this is only once every six years (previously it was once every four years) ... wassat
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 March 2021 10: 09
    +3
    Quote: Egoza
    Could it be that one general director "launched a paw"? Did you slap the eyes of the accountant?

    And the technologists, when they did the calculation, what did they not see? Did the lead builder sleep too? And the head of the KhBU, who was in charge of cleaning up the tanks, also saw nothing?
  • Free wind
    Free wind 20 March 2021 14: 40
    +1
    Imagine madam, you have ordered a renovation at your home. term is a month, you control everything. But the workers did the repairs in two weeks, they did it very efficiently, will you be indignant? The workers just brought their tools, the same vacuum cleaner allows you to shorten the workflow, just guys are pros. And the prosecutor's office is looking for crimes, it is supposed to do repairs for 2 years, which means 2 years. For nefig himself smart to expose. Khakhaleva will confirm everything at the trial.
    1. VALERIK_097
      VALERIK_097 20 March 2021 22: 04
      0
      You understand the situation correctly: (According to the documents, the company spent 23 thousand standard hours on work, in fact, having worked only 13 thousand.) In fact, the customer agreed on the PSOR, and when the work completion certificate was signed, they decided to count on their heads how many people were actually on the ship, but the work is done. And the money for 23 t. norm / hours was paid to the workers. The system is old, all of this is sad. In your example, a vacuum cleaner, in this case, a powerful steam generator. And according to the collections, they considered cleaning with rags, manually (((( (
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 20 March 2021 08: 15
    +12
    This is already some kind of trend, in the Kerch Gulf, the director was also put on trial. Helicopter carriers of the current began to build and already umkdril sawed off funds
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 08
      +7
      Quote: Rubi0
      This is already some kind of trend

      This is not a trend, this is the way and meaning of life for cabinet officials.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 20 March 2021 08: 17
    +16
    Quote: Victor_B
    They plant them, plant them, but they don't get smaller ...

    Maybe they plant it wrong. We must try to impale, maybe it will help.
    1. lucul
      lucul 20 March 2021 08: 24
      +6
      Maybe they plant it wrong. We must try to impale, maybe it will help.

      Then the performers are imprisoned.
      The conditions for theft are created by other people.
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 20 March 2021 08: 42
        +4
        "They'll give you a lie, but don't steal" ©
        No need to justify thieves. As if they don't know they are stealing.
        Another thing is the inevitability of punishment for ALL, I agree here
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 20 March 2021 11: 32
      +3
      Quote: Nagan
      Quote: Victor_B
      They plant them, plant them, but they don't get smaller ...

      Maybe they plant it wrong. We must try to impale, maybe it will help.

      The count is somehow not humane, but the confiscation of property would be just right.
      However, as long as the majority in the Duma is represented by the EDR, the law on confiscation will not be adopted. request
  • Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
    Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich 20 March 2021 08: 20
    +4
    Quote: Victor_B

    Victor_B (Victor Petrovich)
    Today, 07: 28
    NEW

    +4
    Quote: seregin-s1
    It's just a shame of some kind!

    Alas...
    Rather a pattern ...
    ICHSKH! They plant them, plant them, but they do not get smaller ...


    So maybe it's time to hang on yards, for clarity and so that others are discouraged?
  • AUL
    AUL 20 March 2021 08: 26
    +4
    Quote: Victor_B
    They plant them, plant them, but they don't get smaller ...

    Maybe they plant it wrong? Earlier, I remember, and the stake was planted. It was very intelligible.
  • sustav75
    sustav75 20 March 2021 09: 02
    +9
    Vasilieva and her inseminator Serdyukov! Are they sitting ?! At best, pawns are planted! And inveterate thieves with general's shoulder straps sit in their places and do not blow a mustache!
  • knn54
    knn54 20 March 2021 09: 48
    +1
    Science has discovered a new gene-director of the robbers ...
  • DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 20 March 2021 10: 18
    +2
    Quote: Victor_B
    Quote: seregin-s1
    It's just a shame of some kind!

    Alas...
    Rather a pattern ...

    A natural shame.
    Post-Soviet scales.
  • ramzay21
    ramzay21 20 March 2021 19: 32
    +4
    So he was put behind unclean fuel tanks. And why are not those who are really to blame for the condition in which this ship is located, and who brought the PD to the point of drowning? Or are they untouchable, like Serdyukov and Chubais?
  • Deck
    Deck 20 March 2021 07: 40
    +11
    Before you say "shame", think about what is besides the statement "According to the documents, the enterprise spent 23 thousand standard hours on work, in fact, having worked only 13 thousand. The overstatement was 45 million rubles." Who counted this, on the basis of what, the investigator sat in ambush with a stopwatch, counted the working hours of the tank cleaners? Caught red-handed while transferring money? Did the director sign technical acts on the acceptance of tanks? I know a dozen stories sucked from the finger by law enforcement officers (of which divorced as .. much shorter) in this industry. Cases, due to the lack of evidence, last for years, fall apart in the courts, but their initiators regularly receive new stars for shoulder straps. The main thing is to crow
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 20 March 2021 07: 46
      0
      Yes, yes, off definitions are sometimes wildly driven into a stupor. Vasily saw a traffic light, then seven chickens, and for this crocodiles. Something like this is sometimes read bureaucratic papers.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 20 March 2021 08: 16
      +1
      It is enough to check the documentation. Stopwatch is not needed there
      1. Deck
        Deck 20 March 2021 08: 26
        +1
        It is enough to check the documentation. Stopwatch is not needed there


        What are you? What kind of example?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 20 March 2021 09: 03
          +1
          Would you like the tables? Opening hours are always fixed. This is the basics
          1. Deck
            Deck 20 March 2021 09: 27
            +8
            Contractor's timesheets? may or may not be. And if the work was done faster, like the Stakhanovites, then sit for a week in these tanks to slaughter a goat? But we are talking about the so-called. standard-hours which is a unit is very conditional. All attempts, even under socialism, did not achieve precise rationing of success. For example, tanks can be of different fuels, rust or not, have different shapes (for example, 1 meter or 10 meters high), have smooth walls or a set and pipes inside, etc. Knowing the young ladies from the calculation and estimate departments, they hardly visited these dirty and inaccessible premises. Further, the criterion for fulfilling the order should be the compliance of the quality and scope of work with the contractual and regulatory documentation. Crime is when the tanks were not cleaned (or cleaned badly), but the money was cashed and handed over to the director. And the investigation can prove it.
            By the way, "according to the investigation, temporary personnel were hired to carry out the work. As they say, these were brigades from the Crimea."
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 11: 25
              +2
              Quote: Deck
              And if the work was done faster, like the Stakhanovites

              Wow! If 8 hours of continuous steam is supposed to steam the gas tank, then it will be steamed for 8 hours, because he does not need 16. And 4 hours is also not needed. And no Stakhanovite will help here.
              1. SpbGenn
                SpbGenn 20 March 2021 11: 38
                0
                You understand !!!
            2. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 11: 48
              0
              Quote: Deck
              All attempts, even under socialism, did not achieve precise rationing of success. For example, tanks can be of different fuels, rusty or not,

              In this case, the cost estimate is reviewed with the customer.
              1. Deck
                Deck 20 March 2021 16: 52
                +5
                Dear Mordvin 3, I don’t even know how to explain this to you, but you don’t understand anything about ships, shipyards and working with the state defense order. Absolutely, and according to your comments, this is clearly noticeable to any naval man. The fact that the theft has taken on some fantastic scale is clear to everyone, but to stop this, a set of measures is needed, first of all, a change in personnel policy. We need professionals not only in the USC, but also in the IC and the FSB (not in the sense of the ability to sew cases, but in the sense of understanding the specifics of the work of the subjects of control).
                P.S. Special thanks for the "gas tanks" on Kuznetsovo!
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 16: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Deck
                  you do not understand anything about ships, shipyards and working with state defense order. Absolutely, and according to your comments, this is clearly noticeable to any naval man.

                  I do not deny that I do not understand anything about ships, but I have done overhaul of cars more than once or twice. Including for MO. From there and gas tanks.
    3. Kisa
      Kisa 20 March 2021 09: 51
      +2
      since Soviet times, the practice has been worked out - the fur is a sheet of work. in the ship repair, the price tag is announced - the office agrees to the budget. the register accepts the work .... half of the work remains on paper or of the wrong quality - the difference in price is cut by the super grandfather and the plant ...
      what the wild prices for washing tanks half a million greens - there is clearly someone in the military ministry warmed up
      1. SpbGenn
        SpbGenn 20 March 2021 11: 40
        0
        One divisional grandfather goes to the MB for 20lmn, and all the bugs .. Even the commander does not have such a thing. !!!
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 20 March 2021 10: 00
      +3
      Quote: Deck
      Cases, due to the lack of evidence, last for years, fall apart in the courts, but their initiators regularly receive new stars for shoulder straps. The main thing is to crow

      Yes, especially now ... because a fierce struggle must be shown against nepotism, theft ...
    5. Cheldon
      Cheldon 20 March 2021 10: 36
      +2
      Quote: Deck
      The overestimation was 45 million rubles. "Who counted this, on the basis of what, the investigator sat in ambush with a stopwatch, counted the working hours of the tank cleaners?

      A labor input of 10 standard hours is only 000 man / days. The cost is only 1250 million rubles. Probably, materials were also written off for these works.
    6. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: Deck
      Who counted this, on the basis of what, the investigator sat in ambush with a stopwatch, counted the working hours of the tank cleaners?

      Do not make me laugh. Someone writes a statement. They call the workers, ask when they finished doing this and that. And on paper, the director has a completely different figure.
  • oracul
    oracul 20 March 2021 07: 41
    +8
    You just need to understand that this is capitalism, for which the enrichment of a small number of the nouveau riche at the expense of the bulk of the working people is the norm. The lack of effective control in the management of state-owned enterprises creates a temptation for managers to steal. What are the frames, and the result.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 20 March 2021 08: 01
      0
      maybe he was an effective capitalist? - cleaned with new technology for 13 instead of 23?
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 20 March 2021 08: 12
      +3
      Quote: oracul
      You just need to understand that this is capitalism.

      It used to be embarrassing and unacceptable to steal. Now, just not to get caught. If you are not caught, then you are a respected and respectable person.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 20 March 2021 09: 44
        +11
        Quote: Stas157
        you are a respected and respectable person.

        There is such an article in the UN Convention:
        Article 20 (Illicit Enrichment) of the Convention states:
        “Subject to respecting its constitution and the fundamental principles of its legal system, each State Party shall consider adopting such legislative and other measures as may be necessary in order to criminalizewhen it is done intentionally, illicit enrichment, that is, a significant increase in the assets of a public official in excess of his legal income, which he cannot reasonably justify».

        However, it was these "respectable people" who did everything to:
        The Russian Federation signed the UN Convention against Corruption on December 9, 2003, and ratified it on March 8, 2006 (No. 40-FZ). The federal law on ratification contains statements on individual articles and clauses on which Russia has jurisdiction and is binding. Not included in this list, For example: Article 20 "Illegal enrichment", Art. 26 "Liability of legal entities", Art. 54 "Mechanisms for the seizure of property through international cooperation in the matter of confiscation", Art. 57 "Recovery and disposal of assets"... According to experts, one of the requirements that Russia has undertaken to fulfill is efficiency and transparency of the work of civil servants (Article 7 of the Convention), not performed.
        And we sit and think to shoot them, whether to hang them in public, to imprison them for life with confiscation of property, or to leave everything as it is ... belay
      2. Svarog
        Svarog 20 March 2021 10: 01
        +2
        Quote: Stas157
        It used to be embarrassing and unacceptable to steal. Now, just not to get caught. If you are not caught, then you are a respected and respectable person.

        They won't get caught if you share and work with the "right" ones ..
    3. lucul
      lucul 20 March 2021 08: 28
      -7
      The lack of effective control in the management of state-owned enterprises creates a temptation for managers to steal. What are the frames, and the result.

      External influences should not be ruled out either.
      Many people say that in the West they check money for crime, when they try to put money (a large amount) in a bank. For Europeans and others, it is. But for our thief is ALWAYS an exception, they give the green light and always close their eyes to money from Russia.
      Coincidence? I don't think so)))
    4. Polymer
      Polymer 20 March 2021 09: 22
      +4
      Quote: oracul
      Lack of effective control in the management of state-owned enterprises creates a temptation for managers to steal

      And this is also, of course, only there should be more control "at the exit". They also stole in the USSR, but on a much smaller scale. And not so much because they were imprisoned and shot, but because there was no way to spend the stolen goods. Let's remember the classics - Ostap Bender managed to get a million "in a relatively honest way", but he could not spend it! And he had to "retrain as a house manager." And Koreiko stole more, but he also didn’t show off, and had to hide the stolen goods from everyone.
      The inability to sell the stolen property deprives one of the motivation to steal. Except for pathological cases, of course, but there is already a clinic, and they do not do statistics.
      With the change of power and economic formation, it was this stage of control that was abolished. Nobody is interested in the origin of money, as long as they pay. The stolen goods can now be realized, inherited, etc. And you can plant and shoot as much as you like - those who want to take the risk will never run out.
  • Clear
    Clear 20 March 2021 08: 47
    +1
    According to the documents, the enterprise spent on work 23 thousands of standard hours, in fact, having worked only 13 thousand

    The court, too, in the lung, will add only two points.
    As the classic used to say: you are being killed, but you don't steal winked
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 10
      +1
      Quote: Clear
      The court, too, in the lung, will add only two points.

      Conditionally!
      1. Clear
        Clear 20 March 2021 09: 14
        +3
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Clear
        The court, too, in the lung, will add only two points.

        Conditionally!

        A conditional sentence is a sentence imposed by a court verdict, which is not enforced during a certain probationary period established by the court.
        One, with a bright face, has already played out with the "conditional".
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 26
          +1
          Quote: Clear
          A conditional sentence is a sentence imposed by a court verdict, which is not enforced during a certain probationary period established by the court.

          I see no obstacles
          1. Clear
            Clear 20 March 2021 09: 29
            +3
            Quote: Silvestr
            Quote: Clear
            A conditional sentence is a sentence imposed by a court verdict, which is not enforced during a certain probationary period established by the court.

            I see no obstacles

            So the verdict has not yet been pronounced.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 32
              0
              Quote: Clear
              So the verdict has not yet been pronounced.

              Let's wait!
            2. Svarog
              Svarog 20 March 2021 10: 09
              +4
              Quote: Clear
              Quote: Silvestr
              Quote: Clear
              A conditional sentence is a sentence imposed by a court verdict, which is not enforced during a certain probationary period established by the court.

              I see no obstacles

              So the verdict has not yet been pronounced.

              Here in the Nizhny Novgorod region, a peasant is "sewn" for collecting dead wood, it shines for seven years .. The man collected the fallen trees on his non-tractor, built a shed .. The prosecutor says that he himself felled them with a tractor, and the defendant proposes to conduct an investigative experiment as he did with his non-tractor can dump a huge tree .. they refused to carry out the experiment .. they will now sue for dead wood, and someone will receive an asterisk ... and someone will receive 7 years .. and someone will receive 7 years for theft of billions .. In general, our laws are strange .. and the court is "humane ... and incorruptible" ..
              1. Clear
                Clear 20 March 2021 10: 29
                +2
                Quote: Svarog
                the peasant is "sewn" for the collection of dead wood,

                Quote: Svarog
                The prosecutor says that he himself felled them with a tractor,

                If the case is "sewn" (under investigation), then where does the prosecutor have to do with it. This should be an investigator from the Ministry of Internal Affairs. The prosecutor is still far away.

                Quote: Svarog
                A man collected fallen trees on his non-tractor, built a shed
                so fell trees with a tractor or collected dead wood? It is unlikely that a barn can be built from dead wood.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 12: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: Clear
                  It is unlikely that a barn can be built from dead wood.

                  Heh, in the summer I walked through the forest, full of fallen trees. You can easily build a shed of them.
                  1. Clear
                    Clear 20 March 2021 15: 29
                    +2
                    Quote: mordvin xnumx
                    Quote: Clear
                    It is unlikely that a barn can be built from dead wood.

                    Heh, in the summer I walked through the forest, full of fallen trees

                    Heh, I realized that you were walking in the forest winked , then the question is, what brand of tractor was driving in front?
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 15: 54
                      0
                      Quote: Clear
                      what brand of tractor

                      There was no one.
        2. Free wind
          Free wind 22 March 2021 13: 37
          -1
          So it seems that the duck has not yet been planted for some reason.
      2. martin-159
        martin-159 20 March 2021 09: 55
        -1
        Conventionally, they give when you master a billion, and only such a "trifle" is a real term.
  • 210ox
    210ox 20 March 2021 09: 04
    +2
    If this is an overestimation of the amount of work ... then it is practiced everywhere ...
  • common man
    common man 20 March 2021 09: 44
    +2
    Quote: seregin-s1
    It's just a shame of some kind!

    For everyone who comments below.
    You figure it out first.
    1 10 SRZ is a joint stock company. and not SP. The sole shareholder is the MINISTRY OF DEFENSE.
    2. The essence of the question. The plant worked (or maybe did all the work) on the ship for 13 thousand hours, and paid for 23 thousand hours. (By estimate?). Why doesn't anyone else do that? Yes, sleep and beside. Standard scheme.
    3. The money was credited to the account of the enterprise. In order for the director to withdraw money on himself personally, he still needs to try. And if it does, it’s not the first time. And why exactly from this order.
    The most common scheme is the performance of work by a subcontractor close to the director. Again, this is how the floor of Russia works. Yes, theft. Yes, we must punish. But to make of this "the second coming of Christ" is stupid.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 20 March 2021 10: 52
    0
    Unfortunately, this is REALITY.
    "They will put you in trouble, but don't steal!" - it does not always work as it should ... some, after imprisonment, if this happens, go free with very rich faces!
    And this is NONSENS!
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 20 March 2021 11: 20
    +1
    Quote: seregin-s1
    A criminal case was initiated over the theft of 45 million rubles during the repair of the Admiral Kuznetsov cruiser.

    I completely agree with you. Such a respected person a
    A criminal case was initiated over the theft of 45 million rubles during the repair of the Admiral Kuznetsov cruiser.
    45 million, laughing to the chickens. Here is the classic saying correctly - steal more - give less. One thing is good that at least they did not take a bag of potatoes, otherwise they would give it to the maximum.
  • iouris
    iouris 20 March 2021 12: 03
    0
    The director is apparently very young and hot. Recently graduated in economics and (ha ha) finance. We must understand and forgive.
  • alexmach
    alexmach 20 March 2021 12: 09
    0
    It's just a shame of some kind!

    Why is it a shame? On the contrary, great news and a logical outcome. The award has found its hero. It's a shame this whole renovation situation. It’s a pity that, apparently, a switchman was appointed and they didn’t reach some Mr. Rakhmanov.
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot 20 March 2021 16: 00
    -1
    And they say that there is no fight against corruption ... And it goes.

    Although they do not shoot, as in China, corruption has not been eradicated there either.
    But the next one will be more careful to observe financial discipline. And we see the results! From the headlines "stolen billions" we come to tens of millions ...
    Diseases are treated gradually.

    And then they will ask the commodity oligarchs for loans-for-shares auctions.
    So as the country gains sovereignty and responsibility will grow, and measures will be taken more stringently. But there is no other way ...
  • Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor 20 March 2021 17: 06
    +1
    I don't know how literary, but in the current situation, stealing from the state is at least stupid.
    Critters in general ... soldiers die for their Motherland, and grabber steals from her
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 20 March 2021 19: 02
    +2
    "It's just a shame of some sort!"
    By no means.
    It was a shame when PlavDok was drowned! Out of the blue. For no clear apparent reason.
    That was a shame !!!
    And this is so ... Small toys.
    Shame - when the scout ship "Liman" was drowned ...
    How much in vain ...
    And silence....
  • Doctor
    Doctor 20 March 2021 07: 27
    +6
    Stability is a sign of mastery!

    Kuzya will still serve, feed many ... laughing
  • Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 20 March 2021 07: 31
    0
    It never was, and here are the ones on.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 20 March 2021 07: 39
    +5
    Found a switchman.
    I remember an acquaintance once said - on the one hand, they seem to prohibit us from stealing, but still carry bribes to them. And where to go, you have to steal.
    1. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 20 March 2021 07: 42
      0
      The general director of the switchman?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 20 March 2021 07: 48
        +2
        The general director of the switchman?
        what is the bribe from the welder? and from each CEO, here's a summer house in Sorento
      2. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 20 March 2021 07: 49
        0
        Quote: seregin-s1
        The general director of the switchman?

        In this situation, yes, the issue was decided by people above, he is only a performer.
        1. seregin-s1
          seregin-s1 20 March 2021 08: 21
          +1
          The CEO decided to steal. I could not have made such a decision.
          1. 210ox
            210ox 20 March 2021 09: 05
            0
            And if he could not ... Force majeure circumstance ... Not subject to jurisdiction ..
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx 20 March 2021 09: 57
            +2
            Then one citizen Ulyukaev decided to take a bag of wine, and Mr. Sechin put 2 marked dollars there ...
            I remind you that Ulyukaev is serving a sentence for the fact that, as the court established, he received a bribe from the head of Rosneft Igor Sechin in the amount of two million "green" for the conclusion, thanks to which Rosneft was able to acquire 50 percent of the shares of Bashneft.
            Rosneft President Igor Sechin
            Possible remuneration for the year: 459-612 million rubles (monthly salary - 15-20 million rubles per month, plus 5% of the monthly salary - bonus for board membership, annual bonus - 150% of the annual salary), $ 8,87-11,8 , 6 million at the exchange rate of the Central Bank on May 2015, XNUMX.
            Note: according to the corporate standard, the president of Rosneft can also count on a premium (its amount is not disclosed) for working with information that is a state secret, and a one-time bonus (its maximum amount is also not set in the document) for the implementation of large projects. It also follows from the document that according to the decision of the company's board of directors, top managers of Rosneft can be paid any bonuses for the performance of official duties.

            Does anyone believe that the "crystal-honest" head of the state corporation put the thieving minister behind bars?
        2. Clear
          Clear 20 March 2021 08: 54
          +1
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Quote: seregin-s1
          The general director of the switchman?

          In this situation, yes, the issue was decided by people above, he is only a performer.

          Did you get acquainted with the materials of the criminal case, or in the case yourself?
          Then name the names, addresses, addresses ... of people higher
      3. 210ox
        210ox 20 March 2021 09: 07
        +1
        Come on! What a pitiful 45 lemons ..
    2. Glenni
      Glenni 20 March 2021 09: 12
      0
      Completely to the point your friend said.
  • Graz
    Graz 20 March 2021 07: 40
    +1
    here is how not to remember Stalin here. you need to plant and shoot all this drunken bastard
    1. Altona
      Altona 20 March 2021 08: 10
      +9
      Quote: Graz
      here is how not to remember Stalin here. you need to plant and shoot all this drunken bastard

      -------------------------
      Well, we must obviously start not with the directors of factories, but with those who are higher and who have brought the factories and cruisers to such a state.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 20 March 2021 08: 27
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        Well, we must obviously start not with the directors of factories, but with those who are higher and who have brought the factories and cruisers to such a state.

        His name is Yeltsin. But he can no longer be brought to justice, he is located where there is no way to extract him.
        1. Black lotos
          Black lotos 20 March 2021 10: 19
          0
          Quote: Nagan
          But he can no longer be brought to justice, he is located where there is no way to extract him.

          show trials / coronations / other celebrations over the deceased are constantly held in history.
    2. lucul
      lucul 20 March 2021 08: 32
      -6
      here is how not to remember Stalin here. you need to plant and shoot all this drunken bastard

      Are you an anti-Semite? )))
    3. New Year day
      New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 11
      +1
      Quote: Graz
      here is how not to remember Stalin here. you need to plant and shoot all this drunken bastard

      The fish rots from the head, but they clean it from the tail
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 20 March 2021 07: 42
    +4
    There are no censorship words. Maybe a thief of this magnitude already needs to be imprisoned for 20 years with confiscation?
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 20 March 2021 07: 53
      +6
      Quote: Wedmak
      Maybe a thief of this scale should be imprisoned for 20 years with confiscation?

      And with confiscation, and not only personally from them, but also from relatives. So that they do not hope that they will come out, and the wife, mother-in-law, children in chocolate and the "unfortunate" will accept.
    2. Altona
      Altona 20 March 2021 08: 12
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      Maybe a thief of this scale should be imprisoned for 20 years with confiscation?

      ---------------------------------
      Ha, maybe corruption happened in "force majeure and force majeure circumstances"? Or maybe everything "acquired by overwork" is written down to the native blood-baby and the mother-of-god dandelion? Do you want to orphan them and deprive them of their means? laughing laughing
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 March 2021 10: 55
        +1
        Do you want to orphan them and deprive them of their means?

        The thief must be punished. The stolen goods must be returned. In general, I believe that theft should be the second most serious crime after physical violence and murder. With a little less time. Regardless of whether the thief returned the stolen goods or not.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 20 March 2021 07: 50
    +1
    They steal - everywhere. They don't catch it everywhere.
    1. Clear
      Clear 20 March 2021 09: 01
      +3
      Quote: Cowbra
      They steal - everywhere. They don't catch it everywhere.

      Yes, they won't find a single oligarch in Ukraine to jail. They are waiting for the West to help them in this matter.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 12
      +2
      Quote: Cowbra
      They steal - everywhere. They don't catch it everywhere.

      And if they still do not sit down and return the stolen to the thief request
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 20 March 2021 09: 23
        -4
        Elon Musk. Found guilty by a US court of fraud in order to obtain subsidies for the Solar City project. Moreover, clumsy to amazement - he built on the island the infrastructure for a house supposedly powered by the sun, and at night - from batteries from decommissioned Teslamo cars charged by the sun. Only later did they find out that this crap is powered by two hidden diesel generators. Someone sat down? No, someone received subsidies for the construction of a factory for the production of Japanese batteries Panasonic with the proud name of Gigafactory. I am already silent about the spaceport donated by NASA at Cape Canaverel.
        Is the difference clear? This one will no longer steal, he was imprisoned
        1. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 20 March 2021 13: 08
          0
          Quote: Cowbra
          This one will no longer steal, he was imprisoned

          this one will be put in prison, another one will be installed
          He will have to steal, because the upward payment is unlikely to be canceled.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 20 March 2021 13: 34
            -3
            Everything is not done at once. But if we compare what was the same 15 years ago and now, I'm not talking about the saints of the 90s - so heaven and earth, precisely because they plant. And to the end one demon will not be eradicated. It is customary for state-owned companies to sculpt the postscripts. Private traders have even worse - look at the F-35. They just steal insolently. Have you bought a fighter? And the engine is not included in the price! And the software also needs to be installed ... And instead of the 70 million promised, 140 prescribed in the contract, in the column of losses from writing off ONE F-35 last April - 230 million dollars it costs, three times from the promised budget. There are only 45 lyamas
  • Moonsund
    Moonsund 20 March 2021 07: 55
    +9
    Quote: Graz
    here is how not to remember Stalin here. you need to plant and shoot all this drunken bastard

    And who will plant? The same bastard, only higher? No, comrade! This is a system built for 30 years, a mutual guarantee, a kind of get-together, the lack of even the desire to control anything, but only to suck your mouth opening to any feeding trough. Therefore, the cops take, but they cannot jail the governors, the deputies do not understand what citizenship. And the result, here it is, the crane falls on the deck of the only aircraft carrier, sinks, burns, the roads are broken (well, so many of them have been stolen). It seems that the state controls only a few areas of life that someone needs, and the rest survives and exists on its own
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. 20 March 2021 07: 55
    +3
    caught a rat.
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 20 March 2021 08: 01
      +3
      Bulls - one? They are legion in warm places in the country, do not catch them, it is high time to shoot them!
      1. sustav75
        sustav75 20 March 2021 09: 15
        0
        When they catch the head rat, which allows all this, maybe it will be useful ...
        1. martin-159
          martin-159 20 March 2021 10: 05
          0
          And she is not hiding from anyone.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 20 March 2021 08: 15
      +1
      Quote: Bulls.
      caught a rat.

      And there (of the confused people) are there others?
  • Free wind
    Free wind 20 March 2021 07: 59
    +3
    I’m not making excuses for anyone, but we don’t know anything. Often, prosecutors simply sew cases in order to get stripes. There are 2500 tons of jet fuel on the ship, you must agree that the tanks should be more or less clean, well, maybe even the workers cleaned it from rust with shovels, then steamed it. Tanks under dizuhu are also not dirty, by the way, gasoline tanks rust through and through every 5 times faster than with diesel fuel. Fuel oil tanks are, of course, more complicated, but can anyone come up with some kind of adaptation that will increase productivity at times. It seems that in this case the result is important, if it is excellent, then what kind of claims can there be against the director, the foremen, the workers. They didn’t make estimates and technical plans.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 20 March 2021 08: 00
    +5
    This is not a theft, so they spent on seeds, in comparison with the same "Vostochny", petty hooliganism. ...
  • Altona
    Altona 20 March 2021 08: 08
    +4
    Without disputing the results of the investigation, one can imagine the following situation. The plant is a joint stock company. Who took the contract for the repair of the cruiser? Who is the beneficiary of this venture? Or maybe it happened like in Norilsk? The spill of fuels and lubricants was the fault of Potanin, and the mayor of Norilsk is to blame. I mean that the director of the switchman. And if he is a sophisticated person, then he knows that one must keep an eye on the state order, they will wool for every penny. And the transfer of funds usually occurs after the signing of the act of completed work. That is, the repair is carried out at the expense of the enterprise. The amount of the hidden 45 million is also kind of, in the same place, for sure, the carve-up was in an "unidentified group of persons." But once they said, "I'm sorry," it means I'm guilty. Maybe the enemies also "sat down". In general, the "repair technology" is incomprehensible. Previously, there were specialists, they assembled a government commission, allocated a set of measures, provided the necessary funds and materials, and simply monitored the execution. And now the "black box". It is not clear who does what, then only court cases emerge.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 21: 31
      0
      Quote: Altona
      I mean that the director of the switchman.

      Something just went wrong.
      Crimes in the management of the shipyard from ZATO Aleksandrovsk are of a systemic nature. One of the reasons for the impunity is the patronage of Marina Yalymova, Adviser to the President of JSC USC, General Director of JSC 10 SRZ, Evgeny Zudin.

      https://ivvanenko.blogspot.com/2020/07/10.html
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 20 March 2021 08: 09
    -5
    Well. Let's talk about the need for "Kuzi" further laughing "kuzya" it is an eternal business.All!!! And any excuses about our carrier-based aircraft are a bluff. Why is this "gorob" needed? There is zero sense from it. Or even a minus. Combat efficiency .... No words wassat What do they get their salaries for? And what do they pay them for? Useless from the word in general.
    instead of this black hole of the Russian economy, give four full-fledged destroyers to the Russian fleet.
    1. Clear
      Clear 20 March 2021 09: 04
      +3
      Quote: Observer2014
      Well. Let's talk about the need for "Kuzi" further

      Hello, we've arrived. There was not a single comment about "the need for Kuzi" before yours. request
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 20 March 2021 09: 10
        -11%
        Quote: Clear
        Quote: Observer2014
        Well. Let's talk about the need for "Kuzi" further

        Hello, we've arrived. There was not a single comment about "the need for Kuzi" before yours. request

        Yeah, "hello." Do you even know how a destroyer differs from a cruiser? Ask Alyosha of the reed flotilla to help him. When he gets sober, he will probably help love
        1. Clear
          Clear 20 March 2021 09: 22
          +1
          Quote: Observer2014
          Do you even know how a destroyer differs from a cruiser?

          So, is the song about "the need for Kuzi" over?

          Quote: Observer2014
          When he gets sober

          He will sober up, but you ... No.
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 14
      +1
      Quote: Observer2014
      "Kuzya" is an eternal business.

      And the longer it will be under repair, the better for the bosses! How much can you write off! Eternal construction
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 20 March 2021 09: 16
        -8
        Quote: Silvestr
        Quote: Observer2014
        "Kuzya" is an eternal business.

        And the longer it will be under repair, the better for the bosses! How much can you write off! Eternal construction

        yes good Yes! And such eternal business in the Russian economy .... At least until tomorrow you can give examples. hi
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 20 March 2021 09: 25
          +2
          Quote: Observer2014
          Eternal construction

          Yes! And such eternal business in the Russian economy ...

          Perpetum mobile! hi laughing
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 20 March 2021 12: 39
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        How much can you write off! Eternal construction

        Transfer it to the balance sheet of Rosneft, they will quickly sink it.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 20 March 2021 09: 47
      +6
      Well, any large construction site, and especially repairs, is an opportunity to master up to 30% of the budget in your pockets.

      Or do you think everything is clean on Nakhimov?
      Or take the legendary Burny - since 2006 it has been under repair, money has been gradually mastered (restoration of combat systems, hull work, shafts, painting, hauling cable routes, preparation for updating the electronic equipment, it seems that they even managed to put some new posts, oh, and the maintenance of the destroyer at Dalzavod too ate decently). As a result, the ship was written off for 12 years of repair. wassat .


      Or take the legendary Ochakov, who fed the right people to Crimea-then-not-ours. For instance. The Ministry of Defense paid scant money specifically for Ochakov in the first renovation of the 90s, and not for Glory (then not Moscow yet). As a result, the terms were shifted, shifted to 00, 05, 10. Only by the 11th year the shop was closed - 20 years of repair and disbursement of funds without any result. wassat



      And you can also remember the B-380 boat - they suddenly decided to repair an outdated project. We developed a vigorous activity. We recruited a new crew from Nizhny Novgorod, the region gave money. They put me in the dock for 4 years (here the money went for the maintenance), in the end they tortured me for 12 years with repairs, and then grief happened. PD-16 was finally tired and drowned along with the boat. wassat
    4. Whiteidol
      Whiteidol 20 March 2021 14: 05
      +1
      Correctly!! Why do we need Kuzya? Why do we need some kind of incomprehensible carrier-based aircraft? Why do we need a fleet at all? They only eat money. Kuzyu repair them, planes are asking, new ships ... Eagles need repair and modernization .. And how much dough they steal?
  • Cockroach Zee
    Cockroach Zee 20 March 2021 08: 20
    0
    Well, roll him in a year for each stolen lam.
    1. andr327
      andr327 20 March 2021 09: 25
      +2
      For a year, of course, it is possible, but I am interested in the simplest question - where are those 45 million: on whose account, who have their money-boxes, what was purchased for that amount - a luxurious mansion or a new super machine for metalworking? That is, these money are for your own well-being or for improper use to maintain the plant (repayment of a loan, purchase of materials or technological equipment)?
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 20 March 2021 08: 31
    -1
    Well, how can you be such a stupid and greedy thief, it is clear that they will calculate the shortage ..... also a traitor to the Army, which stands to defend the country in which you live ...... under Stalin would have been slapped ... definitely.
  • Runway
    Runway 20 March 2021 08: 35
    +1
    The event is almost two years old. The volume and quality of work according to the Approved estimate for the production of work when and who checked and signed?
    Kohl scratched two years 10 SRZ did not exceed the estimate, the work was accepted and paid for by the Customer (10 SRZ is an obvious subcontractor).
    If it has surfaced at the subchik, the contractor must bend and lengthen the bunks.
    The director of 10 SRZ is just an executor. But.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 20 March 2021 08: 47
    -1
    They are completely insolent, the state pays 4500 rubles per hour of work, 2 or 4 people can work in a "tank" at 300 - 400 per hour, I understand consumables also cost money. , to clean up the Arctic. Quite often you think, Putin can introduce oprichniki, since they are not afraid of anything. Shame.
    1. Black lotos
      Black lotos 20 March 2021 10: 25
      +3
      Quote: tralflot1832
      , can Putin introduce guardsmen, since they are not afraid of anything

      one more SuperRosGuardia will not be able to cope with the budget ..
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 20 March 2021 10: 26
        0
        Allocate money for self-support, to start at one of the toilet facilities.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 20 March 2021 08: 47
    +5
    "After the Siberian governor, Prince Gagarin, was exposed of corruption, by order of the Emperor he was hanged in front of the entire establishment. Arkhangelsk Vice Governor Kurbatov was sentenced by the court to a heavy fine. Vice Governor Korsakov was publicly punished with a whip, and two senators were punished by the princes. Volkonsky and Opukhtin burned tongues with a red-hot iron. Ober-fiscal Nesterov, who exposed Prince Gagarin of corruption, did not escape punishment. On the square, he was publicly quartered for a large bribe "

    in SO with them it is necessary!
    1. common man
      common man 20 March 2021 09: 55
      0
      Quote: Klingon
      in SO with them it is necessary!

      And after that, theft in Russia completely stopped. And only under the current head it blossomed again.
      PS Sorry, I had a dream.
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 20 March 2021 10: 13
        +1
        Can you suggest something alternative that works 100%? however, by draconian methods, the level of corruption in China is much lower
        1. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 20 March 2021 10: 58
          +1
          Can you suggest something alternative that works 100%?

          Singapore method. Singapore has eradicated corruption in a couple of years.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 20 March 2021 10: 30
      0
      Under Peter 1, there was a decree to take any fishmonger and execute them publicly once every three years. Not to accept excuses, he would steal anyway.
  • vl903
    vl903 20 March 2021 08: 52
    +3
    the fish rots from the head and the director is only a tail
  • sustav75
    sustav75 20 March 2021 08: 58
    +3
    As with Vasilyeva the thief, Medvedev's girlfriend, you can get away with it! While the thieves are in power! Theft will be everywhere! Hand washes his hand. Minusoids and uryakali forward!
  • aleks.29ru
    aleks.29ru 20 March 2021 08: 58
    +2
    As long as the defense industry does not leave the standard hours, such cases will always be and at all levels. A certain job must cost a certain amount of money, and not mythical standard hours on countless tariff scales and categories, which count the same countless hordes of administrators, starting with the foreman.
    1. vl903
      vl903 20 March 2021 09: 11
      +2
      and how to justify the amount? materials, tools, licenses, maintenance of the plant of buildings and structures, inspections, other expenses and ... the salary of workers which is calculated according to these standard hours plus a margin. Where can you get away from the standard hours to find out how much this work should cost?
  • Glenni
    Glenni 20 March 2021 09: 10
    +1
    This is the hand of the State Department!
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  • Slavutich
    Slavutich 20 March 2021 09: 25
    +1
    Everything is not clear here at all. The structure of the state defense the order is carried out according to Soviet patterns, a country where there was no private property and corruption, from the word at all. No one has canceled the "man's watch", such a system in a marketplace where all of its corruption is already in place, it also reinforces it.
    Therefore, the investigators "mold" the case like hot cakes on formal grounds, and not on the merits. It is easier to start a case not on the basis of real theft, but on its grounds. Feel the difference! Even if no corpus delicti is actually formed. As they say in this "system" we work for the prosecutor. And the one who actually builds corruption schemes remains in the shadows.
    Such a structure does not contribute to any development, therefore the Chinese are overtaking us in the military-industrial complex.
  • Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 20 March 2021 09: 25
    0
    Oh, and appetites ... You need to break off. Immediately and hard. I didn't steal a bag of potatoes.
  • Escobar
    Escobar 20 March 2021 09: 27
    +1
    I would send such figures to the Kolyma, to cut down the forest until the benefits brought by their labor will cover the damage caused by them. True, for some it would mean "indefinitely", but others would think ten times. And so at the expense of the state (you and me) will still sit in prison.
    1. TerraSandera
      TerraSandera 20 March 2021 10: 36
      0
      To cut down the forest?) And who will he go to then? China, of course, Japan, but you never know there will be eager people. Such immediately into the expense, and consign to oblivion.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 20 March 2021 09: 33
    +4
    The overstatement was 45 million rubles

    ,,, yes, there will probably be a lot of episodes: the fence around the enterprise and about the SPD-76 dock and what else we do not know about.
  • Dikson
    Dikson 20 March 2021 09: 45
    +2
    Senya, but I still did not understand .. - Shaw there with tanks, then? Were they cleaned in kind, or was it just money taken for work? Is it just inflation and material overruns? Maybe twice as many people were involved in cleaning, that's why they spent more money? Maybe they are Stakhanovites, and generally plowed around the clock in a small group for bonuses? And if those tanks had to be thrown away at all, and new ones were bought and stuck in the holds while no one saw? So it turned out to be a cost overrun .. Nothing from the article is clear .. And the director is a young man ... you can immediately see a strong business executive ..
    1. Dikson
      Dikson 20 March 2021 17: 30
      +1
      Well, a patriot came running and gave me a minus .. And for sho? For questions? This steamer has been repaired for so much time that instead of boilers of the beginning of the last century, the entire reactor compartment (with turbines at the same time) from some nuclear submarine could be more powerful under the deck of Kuznetsov ... ? And the boats are all left for cutting ..
  • xorek
    xorek 20 March 2021 09: 45
    0
    Poor our "Kuzya", how much he endured that ... Arrests are going on and gaining momentum, well, only with such a Criminal Code and punishments, it will continue .. It smells like "Treason to the Motherland" and you need to shoot for this! Russia means tightening its belts, restoring the Army and the Navy, and these rats entrenched are dragging everything .. A couple would be shot with confiscation from their relatives too .. The effect would be huge, well, the liberda would shriek about 37 and succeed with its tails between its legs ..
    Cadres decide EVERYTHING, such a cry is needed in Russia! We have staff shortages, real honest specialists in all spheres.
  • common man
    common man 20 March 2021 09: 58
    +2
    Quote: aleks.29ru
    As long as the defense industry does not leave the standard hours, such cases will always be and at all levels. A certain job must cost a certain amount of money, and not mythical standard hours on countless tariff scales and categories, which count the same countless hordes of administrators, starting with the foreman.

    So any estimate is calculated according to the standard hours of people, equipment, plus the cost of materials.
  • Ironclad
    Ironclad 20 March 2021 10: 01
    +1
    And the longer it will rot there - the more they will steal and plant all sorts of rags!
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 20 March 2021 10: 16
    +2
    It's time to return the death penalty. Such goats after all the proceedings to the wall and all the short-lived.
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 20 March 2021 10: 31
    +2
    Where do these come from? Well you bastards are robbing the Motherland. This is not only about this director. All our leaders.
  • TerraSandera
    TerraSandera 20 March 2021 10: 33
    +3
    Therefore, taxes and the retirement age need to be raised to compensate for such "minor" losses. Large ones will never find or show anyway.
  • Gato
    Gato 20 March 2021 10: 40
    +3
    JSC "10 orders of the Red Banner of Labor shipyard"

    The name itself is already some kind of sur ... Joint Stock Company with the Red Banner of Labor belay
    1. nnruslan
      nnruslan 20 March 2021 16: 16
      0
      What's wrong with that? 10 Shipyard (SRZ) was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor on March 24, 1981 for the shock repair of the nuclear submarine. It was a holiday for the whole city. Until 2010, the plant was run by the Ministry of Defense and was a military unit. A joint-stock company was organized (by the way, at the suggestion of the then Prime Minister Putin, on April 17, 2010) for the transfer of the USC. On the contrary, it is good that the history of the plant has not been forgotten.
  • Jager
    Jager 20 March 2021 10: 41
    0
    This has never happened and here again!
  • Nadrub
    Nadrub 20 March 2021 10: 44
    +2
    Quote: Victor_B
    Quote: seregin-s1
    It's just a shame of some kind!

    Alas...
    Rather a pattern ...
    ICHSKH! They plant them, plant them, but they do not get smaller ...


    The answer is simple ....
    if he stole a lot, then there are two options for development, the first one will not notice, and whoever noticed that on his paw, if the first option did not pass, then the court may be acquitted or given conditionally, if, nevertheless, the term ... then they buy the necessary colony for imprisonment with a comfortable camera and intelligent cellmates, it costs about $ 100 a day, that is, about 37 tons of dollars a year or 2,7 million rubles, the terms give 6-9 years, most of them come out on udo in 4-5 years. For example, he stole $ 5-10 million, spent about $ 200 thousand on imprisonment and in chocolate :) and after five years the conviction was removed. So, initially, if you prepare for a possible landing and make the necessary connections with the FSIN, then everything will pass painlessly.
  • Escobar
    Escobar 20 March 2021 11: 03
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    And what will their shooting give you and me? And so almost free labor replenishes the treasury. And not only the forest can be cut down. Remember the film "gentlemen of fortune" as I understand it, the main characters worked in an enterprise that produces building materials, and so that they do not run away, they each have a bracelet on each leg.
  • SpbGenn
    SpbGenn 20 March 2021 11: 09
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    The most interesting thing is that specialists - hard workers receive a penny, and with these negligible costs, estimates for repairs exceed the cost of producing a new ship. That is why the authorities controlling the security of the state cannot raise the question of a radical change in the system of work in military ship repair before the head of state ?!
  • amr
    amr 20 March 2021 11: 23
    +4
    even it seems to me - do not go out to sea more Kuzi (((
  • musorg
    musorg 20 March 2021 11: 40
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    Some are repairing, others are tyrat. The Ministry of Defense should have more stringent requirements of the Criminal Code. Otherwise, we will not see luck!
  • Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. 20 March 2021 12: 51
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    In this case, the full service inconsistency of the special department of the Northern Fleet. Theft on a single aircraft carrier, the sinking of the only floating dock of the largest size. The main thing in the work of a special department is prevention! crimes aimed at undermining the combat capability of the fleet and troops. It seems that no one checks the accounts and the work done according to the plans.
    There are ships and structures of national importance.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 20 March 2021 12: 52
    +3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Yes Yes. Of course. We directly believe in honest communists. The number of criminal cases of theft apparently appeared from the dampness. Oh, in the nineties, didn't they shatter the country into cogs, didn't they?) Wasn't it your system that raised them? 90 percent of whom are taken under arrest for 50.

    Yes, yes, you are right - they are all starting with the Most Serene One, and ending with the State Duma members from there, from that country .... lol
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 20 March 2021 15: 57
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    The overstatement was 45 million rubles.

    Not a bad increase in your pension.
  • Red Alert
    Red Alert 20 March 2021 16: 20
    +1
    Quote: bayard
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Oh, in the nineties, didn't they shatter the country into cogs, didn't they?)

    They . yes
    And the Komsomol leaders. wink
    In the film about Chapaev, a peasant asks Chapay, "The people are struggling here, are you for BOLSHEVIKOV, or are you for the communists?"
    This is a very correct question.
    The Great Country was built by the BOLSHEVIKS under the leadership of Stalin.
    And it was destroyed by the communists.
    Trotsky was a communist.
    And Stalin was a Bolshevik
    Khrushchev was a Trotskyist ... well, everything after him ... Brezhnev was really a good guy ...
    And it was Khrushchev who renamed the VKPB to the CPSU.
    And with the name, the essence has also changed ... although it did not immediately become obvious ...
    The current party nomenklatura (United Russia) are organic immigrants from the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the Komsomol, the Trotskyite-Gorbachev culture.
    Yeltsin, Gaidar and Chubais are their godfathers.
    ... Well, how can you not steal? ... repeat
    And who should shoot them? ... request
    "We are not 37th" ... winked
    And not China ... where the criminal's family pays even for the spent cartridge. bully

    In October 1952, at the XNUMXth Party Congress, its name was changed again: the CPSU (b) was renamed into the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - CPSU
    Stalin was still alive. The USSR was built by the communists, and the capitalists who belonged to the CPSU destroyed
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  • Edward P.
    Edward P. 20 March 2021 18: 03
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    They have always stolen in Russia. It's time to end this. We need laws like in China, enough humanism, but who will pass these laws? The vicious circle.
  • Tests
    Tests 20 March 2021 18: 04
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    Dear VO commentators! Everyone who compares the level of crime in the USSR and the Russian Federation, in which law enforcement agency of the USSR and the Russian Federation have you worked, in what positions, for how many years? And how many times have you talked with the person under investigation or the defendant to whom the "tower is shining"? And with those who are under Art. 93 approx. Was the Criminal Code of the RSFSR sentenced to imprisonment, and not to the VMN, did you communicate at the place of serving the sentence or after being released from places of imprisonment? Man is a warm-blooded beast, sometimes very intelligent and able to count ahead, make plans for a long perspective, the fear of death in man is the main one. Otherwise, no religion would have been born.
    About
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter 20 March 2021 18: 55
    +3
    This is normal.
    The Directorate stole, and will steal.
    Until the articles by firing squad are introduced. For theft and sabotage of work. We have (there are high suspicions) a similar canoe.
    You look at the results of the checks - everything is nishtyak! Everything is beautiful.
    However, why is everything so sad ?! And no clearance is expected ...
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 20 March 2021 20: 53
      +1
      Until the articles by firing squad are introduced.
      in the Russian Federation, for a long time already:
      In 2009, the Constitutional Court recognized the impossibility of imposing the death penalty even after the introduction of a jury trial in Chechnya, citing the fact that “as a result of a long moratorium on the use of the death penalty, stable guarantees of the human right not to be subjected to the death penalty have been formed and a constitutional and legal regime has emerged within the framework of which - taking into account the international legal trend and the obligations assumed by the Russian Federation - an irreversible process is taking place aimed at abolishing the death penalty as an exceptional measure of punishment, which is of a temporary nature ("until it is abolished") and is allowed only for a certain period of time. the transitional period, that is, for the implementation of the goal enshrined in Article 20 (part 2) of the Constitution of the Russian Federation ”. Article 55 of the Constitution of Russia prohibits the abolition or diminution (infringement) of human rights that have already been given once by the constitution or international legal norms that have become part of the Russian legal system

      laughing wink
  • Intruder
    Intruder 20 March 2021 20: 50
    +1
    had to perform several stages of cleaning the fuel tanks at the Admiral Kuznetsov, which he successfully reported back in the summer of 2019. According to the documents, the enterprise spent 23 thousand standard hours on work, in fact, having worked only 13 thousand. The overstatement was 45 million rubles.
    or there will still be 45 lemons, and then !?