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Unrealized plans: By 2021, the United States was going to turn Sevastopol into a rotational-basing zone for ships of the 6th Fleet

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One of the areas of US financial assistance to Ukraine is the allocation of funds for the creation of virtually its own military base in Ochakov, Mykolaiv region. Over the past few years, the Ukrainian Navy has been creating an infrastructure in this city that can accommodate not only Ukrainian units directly, but also American "partners". It is noteworthy that the American military is also taking an active part in the creation of this infrastructure. In particular, we are talking about the work carried out by the personnel of the 1st Construction Battalion of the United States Marine Corps.


An important aspect here is that prior to the reunification of Crimea with Russia, US-Ukrainian contacts also concerned the use of engineering units of the same US Marine Corps in the creation of naval infrastructure in Sevastopol. Ukraine was pushed to squeeze out the Russian Black Sea fleet from a hero city in order to create a full-fledged NATO military base with an American presence.

Based on these plans, the updated facility with a NATO military presence in Sevastopol was supposed to be landscaped by 2018, and by 2021 it would have finally turned into a rotational basing zone for ships of the US 6th Fleet. In other words, already now the American flag would fly over Sevastopol, and the US Navy ships would stand in its bay.

The plans and schemes of the facility have already been prepared and approved by the American military command. But the Crimean Spring did not just confuse the military cards for the Pentagon, it also canceled out the costs that went into this kind of naval planning. The plans were unfulfilled.

They had to "seek" new financial resources to study the possibilities of locating a base with a NATO military presence elsewhere. As a result, it was decided that they would build in Ochakov - closer to the Dnieper estuary. The military facility in this city is planned to be used, among other things, as an object of “monitoring the military situation in Crimea”. In fact, for the constant monitoring of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Navy - observation of Sevastopol, which turned out to be "partners", as they say, too tough.
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  1. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 19 March 2021 09: 42
    +71
    As a result, it was decided that they would build in Ochakov

    We have been dragging on for a long time with the solution of the Ukrainian problem.
    1. KAV
      KAV 19 March 2021 09: 46
      +47
      No one doubted that the fshastas were already asleep and saw how they settle down in the Crimea, build bases and defeat Russia. Only now, a fig for them, without oil! And, from the donkey's ears!
      And with Ukraine, yes, the issue must also be resolved. Otherwise, this sick abscess will continue to rot next to us.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 19 March 2021 09: 54
        +25
        By 2021, the United States was going to turn Sevastopol into a rotational-basing zone for ships of the 6th Fleet.

        I am satisfied with the fact that the post-Soviet authorities of the Russian Federation and the Russians in Crimea have historically defended the LEGENDARY HEROIC Sevastopol from the transfer to the Kyivan junta Americans in 2014 in their hands!
        1. halpat
          halpat 19 March 2021 11: 09
          +7
          Quote: Tatiana
          By 2021, the United States was going to turn Sevastopol into a rotational-basing zone for ships of the 6th Fleet.

          I am satisfied with the fact that the post-Soviet authorities of the Russian Federation and the Russians in Crimea have historically defended the LEGENDARY HEROIC Sevastopol from the transfer to the Kyivan junta Americans in 2014 in their hands!

          How complex is your proposal smile almost Old Slavonic smile
          but the meaning is good :) correct
          1. businessv
            businessv 19 March 2021 12: 10
            +2
            Quote: Halpat
            but the meaning is good :) correct

            Yeah, just not Kiev, but Kuev. repeat
        2. Olkhovsky
          Olkhovsky 19 March 2021 11: 18
          -4
          I am satisfied with the fact that the post-Soviet authorities of the Russian Federation and the Russians in Crimea have historically defended the LEGENDARY HEROIC Sevastopol from the transfer to the Kyivan junta Americans in 2014 in their hands!

          And the rest of the Russians in Novorossiya were betrayed. And there is no need to lala about the help of the LDNR. Half-hearted solutions are worse than inaction.
        3. dauria
          dauria 19 March 2021 11: 49
          -12%
          historically in 2014 they defended in their hands!


          Only now Natalia Poklonskaya was forgotten by all the journalists and the media.
          Lives, works, travels, including to Donbass ...
          But there was no need to vote against the pension reform ... Moscow parquet floors are like that - you need to be able to shuffle on them.
          1. Ilya-spb
            Ilya-spb 19 March 2021 17: 00
            +3
            There will also be the conquest of Ochakov! Everything is ahead.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 19 March 2021 09: 56
        +2
        Quote: KAV
        Only now, a fig for them, without oil! And, from the donkey's ears!

        And it turned out, as always, "face and about table".
        1. barclay
          barclay 19 March 2021 10: 11
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          And it turned out, as always, "face and about table".

          That is why they do not cease to rage over such a loss. The whole world is being turned against us. And, apparently, they are not going to calm down.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 19 March 2021 10: 19
            +3
            Quote: barclay
            That is why they do not cease to rage over such a loss.

            Well, who would refuse such a jackpot, and even investing big money in the project. The toad then crushes, and for a long time they have not been so lowered with their face into the village outhouse.
          2. halpat
            halpat 19 March 2021 11: 13
            +6
            Quote: barclay
            Quote: tihonmarine
            And it turned out, as always, "face and about table".

            That is why they do not cease to rage over such a loss. The whole world is being turned against us. And, apparently, they are not going to calm down.

            They are simply afraid of losing their base in Ochakovo, but it will be so.
            Hohlobanders, by the way, behave wisely in a peasant way - they plunder everything, to the ground. At least some pennies in your pocket will remain when you have to run.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 19 March 2021 14: 25
              +1
              Hohlobanders, by the way, behave wisely in a peasant way - they plunder everything, to the ground. At least some pennies in your pocket will remain when you have to run.

              good
      3. Pravodel
        Pravodel 19 March 2021 10: 46
        +6
        from donkey ears

        You forgot, not just from a donkey, but from a dead donkey's ears. This is how it will be more correct.
      4. venik
        venik 19 March 2021 14: 47
        +3
        Quote: KAV
        No one doubted that the fshastas were already asleep and saw how they settle down in the Crimea, build bases and defeat Russia.

        =========
        It is not for nothing that the post-Maidan authorities of the Square, one of the the very first decisions were pushed: breaking the agreement on the presence of the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimea and Sevastopol! At the same time, they openly declared that Sevastopol would be a NATO base!
        Not broken off! Crimea "sailed away" from Nenko "together with Sevastopol!
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 21 March 2021 03: 23
          0
          At the same time, they openly stated that Sevastopol would be a NATO base.

          They still have the audacity to assert that the Russian Federation was obliged under international treaties to ensure the construction of NATO bases in Crimea. Although the agreements were concluded on the basis of neutrality and non-entry of Ukraine into NATO.
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    3. dimy44
      dimy44 19 March 2021 09: 53
      +13
      "We are dragging out a long time to resolve the Ukrainian problem."
      Surely all the options have been calculated there, which means the risks are too high.
      1. Bow
        Bow 19 March 2021 10: 41
        -3
        Quote: dimy44

        Surely all the options have been calculated there.

        I strongly doubt it. This is not for you to raise the retirement age - here you need to think hard and work selflessly.

        Quote: dimy44

        then the risks are too high.

        If you have cancer that requires surgery, you have no choice. To pull with it or leave everything as it is means surrendering "at the mercy" of the disease, which certainly will not spare you.
        1. nickname7
          nickname7 21 March 2021 03: 35
          -2
          If you have cancer that requires surgery, then there is no choice.

          Who do you mean by you?
          Residents of estates near London and penthouses in Miami? These residents don't care about the absence of normal roads or about "cancerous tumors" that threaten the RF. In Miami, the roads are excellent and there are no tumors.
    4. Insurgent
      Insurgent 19 March 2021 10: 06
      +23
      Quote: Trapp1st
      We have been dragging on for a long time with the solution of the Ukrainian problem.

      Realizing that the expression " The final solution to the Ukrainian question "in the context of historical memory, it can cause unhealthy associations, I suggest using something else -"The final decision Bandera issue".
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 19 March 2021 10: 14
        +2
        So that decision is not about non-brothers, but about Jews, so it sounded: The final solution of the Jewish question (German Endlösung der Judenfrage) is the policy of the government of the Third Reich towards Jews. The euphemism "final decision" meant the mass destruction of the Jewish population of Europe. And we are deciding how to make the South-Eastern regions hold a referendum and join Russia.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 19 March 2021 10: 17
          +8
          Quote: Pessimist22
          So that decision is not about non-brothers, but about Jews, so it sounded: The final solution of the Jewish question (German Endlösung der Judenfrage) is the policy of the government of the Third Reich towards Jews. The euphemism for "final solution" meant the mass extermination of the Jewish population of Europe.


          Here that is why and wrote so that no one would have unhealthy insinuations:

          Quote: Insurgent
          Realizing that the expression "Final solution of the Ukrainian question" in the context of historical memory can evoke unhealthy associations, I suggest using something else - "The final decision Bandera issue".
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 11: 55
          -1
          Quote: Pessimist22
          And we are deciding how to make the South-Eastern regions hold a referendum and join Russia.

          like, have already done, no?
          1. martin-159
            martin-159 21 March 2021 06: 41
            0
            They did, but chose not to notice.
        3. Maikcg
          Maikcg 21 March 2021 12: 19
          +1
          The euphemism for "final decision" meant mass emigration. And only in 41, when the extermination of Soviet citizens, including of course Russian Jews, began, here the Polish people, who were most of all in the fascist EU, already fell under the distribution, and then the rest got into trouble. Well, then the fake news worked on a profitable gesheft.
    5. Machito
      Machito 19 March 2021 10: 08
      +2
      Quote: Trapp1st
      As a result, it was decided that they would build in Ochakov

      We have been dragging on for a long time with the solution of the Ukrainian problem.

      We'll seize it when the Americans finish building the port in Ochakov. Why spend your money? And the US 6th Fleet will rotate its mouths in Georgia.
      1. Mitroha
        Mitroha 19 March 2021 10: 32
        +4
        Quote: Bearded
        And the US 6th Fleet will rotate its mouths in Georgia.

        Here's another thing, let’s rotate in Chad.
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    7. mojohed2012
      mojohed2012 19 March 2021 11: 06
      +1
      We must decide quickly, otherwise tomorrow we will see US troops in Kharkov and Nikolaev, and their planes at the airfields.
    8. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 19 March 2021 12: 16
      -1
      Quote: Trapp1st
      We are dragging on for a long time to solve the Ukrainian problem

      Russia has solved the problem of the Black Sea basin. Who owns the Crimea, he owns the Black Sea.
      And New Russia ... there, IMHO, Strelkov got in ahead of time, and radicalized everything. Banderlog burned Odessa, something terrible was happening in Dnepropetrovsk, and in Kharkov ... We know little about this.
      We'll wait fifteen more years. I suppose there were hundreds of victims as well.
    9. Light
      Light 19 March 2021 12: 18
      +1
      In reality, something needs to be done with the Ukrop nuclear power plants so that the Banderlog does not threaten new Chernobyls, as in 14g.
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg 21 March 2021 12: 25
        0
        Physics tse Moscow pseudoscience. Make Chernobyl out of VVER only if the fuel rods from the spent drainage pool are pulled out and crumbled. And then, then you have to think for a long time how and what to deliver (and how to think about it) and where to get new packets instead of those burned out by the radiation at the first stage.
    10. antivirus
      antivirus 19 March 2021 15: 47
      +2
      if only to throw out the shit all at once. and not wallow in it - until the second coming, as with the amnesty in 56g
    11. Sergey Nikiforov
      Sergey Nikiforov 19 March 2021 17: 31
      -2
      Suggestions.? Let's go to war.? Let's throw a nuclear bomb.? Or the confidence that everyone loves us there and is full of columns?
    12. Soviet Union
      Soviet Union 19 March 2021 17: 52
      0
      Exposure .. that's good. Let them build in Ochakov ... and more ... Russia will come in handy.
    13. boni592807
      boni592807 19 March 2021 19: 26
      +3
      Trapp1st (Trapp1st), Today, 09:42 - As a result, it was decided that they would build in Ochakov

      We have been dragging on for a long time with the solution of the Ukrainian problem.

      You are right as the ones were right someone suggested, on the basis of the THEN assistance to the real president of Ukraine (2014) and the protection of its people (historical Novorossians and Little Russians), to resolve the issue of the southeastern O, Krajina (historical lands of the Republic of Ingushetia, USSR) before ... and with the inclusion of Prednistrovie .. The remaining 1/3 without 2/3 of the economy and industrial production would be NOTHING and would have been pilfered by the former "brothers" in the CMEA and the Warsaw Pact (Poland, etc.), and there the issue of "ukrov" would have been resolved. As historically it was solved more than once, an example is described in the famous work "Taras Bulba". And how Galicians and their organizations "love" in Poland ... a separate song.
      Now, it will be harsher, not only napaskanny "new janissaries" dug in there, but also the USA, and this is "more fun" ... Especially with the "unexpected" (unpredictable) "sleepy Joe", or rather those who really rule the United States. belay
      And with the Crimea, they "managed" to catch up with the last carriage .... Otherwise, they would "splash" off the coast of Sochi ...
      Can. somehow it is more careful to calculate the process, the bird of luck may not have time, and the price will be several times higher ... and not only along the perimeter ...
      Good luck, everyone has their own vision of the process hi
      1. nickname7
        nickname7 21 March 2021 06: 17
        +1
        resolve the issue of southeastern O, kraina (historical lands of the Republic of Ingushetia, USSR)

        If we are to rewind time back, then EBNu, when the union was divided, it was necessary to insist with what they entered into an alliance with and leave. It was necessary to return the Russian lands temporarily issued back, as it was at the time of Ukraine's accession to the USSR. Then there would be no problems at all and there would be no need to start a war. EBN made not even a mistake, but a crime.
    14. sas78
      sas78 19 March 2021 23: 09
      +1
      Dear, do you have a "lightning-fast" solution from your words "Ukrainian problem ???" The problem is not entirely "Ukrainian".
  2. figwam
    figwam 19 March 2021 09: 43
    +3
    By 2021, the United States was going to turn Sevastopol into a rotational-basing zone for ships of the 6th Fleet.

    I don't doubt it for a second.
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 March 2021 09: 43
    +1
    So the Russian Federation at one time began the construction of a naval base in Novorossiysk. There were talks about the transformation of the Novrossiysk port into a naval base and the transfer of the commercial port to Azov. But then Maidan came.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 19 March 2021 12: 35
      +4
      Having invested 5 billion in the Maidan, the states de facto "bought" Crimea for us ...
      and how can you not remember S. Lavrov's unforgettable phrase ...
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 19 March 2021 18: 40
        +1
        They did not work ... they could have bought us a road to Crimea ... ... there was not enough political will.
  4. Blacksmith 55
    Blacksmith 55 19 March 2021 09: 47
    +11
    This was to be expected. Bases around the world, it was the US golden dream to own Crimea (Sevastopol).
    Russia simply had no other choice but to annex Crimea to the Russian Federation.
    And Khrushchev's "gift" was, to put it mildly, illegal. Therefore, Crimea returned home.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 March 2021 10: 03
      +4
      Quote: Blacksmith 55
      Bases around the world, it was the US golden dream to own Crimea (Sevastopol).

      Only one thing they did not take into account that Ukraine itself and without a fight will leave the Crimea.
  5. salad
    salad 19 March 2021 09: 49
    +1
    The donut hole turned out)
  6. prior
    prior 19 March 2021 09: 51
    +30
    When the construction of the facility in Ochakov is close to completion, the Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa regions of Ukraine, through referendums (under the control of "green men"), must be annexed to the LDNR, with the general name of the new entity - Novorossiya.
    For those who disagree, there is Lviv region or near it ...
    Place another base of the Black Sea Fleet in Ochakovo (keep an eye on the Dnieper).
    I would like to express my gratitude to the Americans for building the base. tongue
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 19 March 2021 10: 13
      +5
      Quote: prior
      Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Nikolaev, Kherson and Odessa regions of Ukraine by means of referendums (under the control of "green men") must be annexed to the LDNR, with the general name of the new formation - Novorossiya.

      KIEV REGION FORGOTTEN !!! Must be added!
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 12: 00
        -3
        Quote: Egoza
        KIEV REGION FORGOTTEN !!! Must be added!

        Well, as usual, everything turns into a rally of "Ukraine's joiners". You may ask - why do you need Kiev and its surroundings?
    2. Potomac
      Potomac 19 March 2021 10: 18
      -32%
      And you residents of these regions, did not forget to ask, do they need this New Russia and green people ?!
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 19 March 2021 10: 34
        +25
        Quote: Potomac
        And you residents of these regions, did not forget to ask, do they need this New Russia and green people ?!

        Interestingly yes And we, in the Donbass, in 2014, someone asked if we wanted to join the EU, join "human values" and stomp into NATO?
        1. Potomac
          Potomac 19 March 2021 11: 17
          -20%
          Well, with this approach, the whole South East will be on fire for real, and not just on TV. Just think, I'm a Russian person, but I don't need New Russia, green people, and so on. Whatever values ​​and propaganda it carries, in fact there will be only war and devastation. I am not a supporter of the current government, and if I fight it is not for them or their ideas. And just for your home, your family, your land that is familiar from childhood, and against whom, the third thing. Just stand up for your own, I think there is nothing strange about it.
          1. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 19 March 2021 12: 49
            +5
            Quote: Potomac
            I am Russian,

            laughing laughing laughing
            Uh-huh, not that word, especially with such a nickname - the very, very ghusky. fellow
            Quote: Potomac
            I am not a supporter of the current government, and if I fight it is not for them or their ideas.

            That's where it was necessary to start - a standard philistine excuse, according to the principle "we play here, we don't play here, but here they wrap the fish ...". yes
          2. Ural resident
            Ural resident 19 March 2021 14: 44
            +4
            Quote: Potomac
            Just think, I'm a Russian person, but I don't need New Russia, green people, and so on ..

            You're not Russian.
            1. Potomac
              Potomac 19 March 2021 17: 33
              -6
              Well, I better know who I am. I didn’t say that a Russian, a resident of the Russian Federation, is a Russian, and these are two big differences.
        2. Avior
          Avior 19 March 2021 11: 34
          -3
          The EU would like Yanukovych from Yenakiyevo. But then he said that they promised him little money there, a week before signing he changed his mind
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 19 March 2021 13: 06
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            The EU would like Yanukovych from Yenakiyevo. But then he said that they promised him little money there, a week before signing he changed his mind

            Yanukovo is an oligarch urka with the intelligence of a zavgar, where he smelled of money, he looked there.
            Here we, as if in the EU, with a "makeweight" in the form of NATO membership - did not want ...
        3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 12: 01
          -5
          Quote: Insurgent
          And we, in Donbass, in 2014, someone asked if we want to join the EU

          Where did you want in 2014?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 19 March 2021 13: 07
            +3
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Where did you want in 2014?


            You were born yesterday that you need educational program ?
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 13: 41
              -5
              Quote: Insurgent
              You were born yesterday that you need an educational program?

              Expected response
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 19 March 2021 14: 03
                +1
                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Expected response

                Expecting you that I’ll begin to grovel and chew on the elementary and obvious is, of course, stupid.
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 14: 08
                  -3
                  Naturally, naturally, yes. smile
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 19 March 2021 14: 10
                    +1
                    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Naturally, naturally, yes.

                    Well, tady, what questions can there be if everything is clear?
                  2. Magog_
                    Magog_ 19 March 2021 21: 12
                    +1
                    The initiator of the local referendum in Donbass on the status of the Russian language and the federalization of Ukraine was the organization International Movement of Donbass, founded in 1989 by brothers Dmitry and Vladimir Kornilov. As Vladimir Kornilov recalled, “representatives of Donetsk political forces and organizations, and, most importantly, the strike committees of the Donetsk region, which at that time had great power, had long demanded the holding of this referendum. The idea of ​​giving the Russian language a state status, along with the Ukrainian language, the idea of ​​the federalization of Ukraine was then on everyone's lips and was raised not only in Donbass, but throughout Ukraine as a whole. Miners went on strike with these slogans ”. In March 1994, the regional councils of Donetsk and Luhansk regions decided to hold a regional referendum
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 21: 33
                      +2
                      Quote: Magog_
                      In March 1994, the regional councils of Donetsk and Luhansk regions decided to hold a regional referendum

                      So what? What is it for?
                      1. Magog_
                        Magog_ 19 March 2021 21: 36
                        +1
                        What is it for?
                        As part of the "educational program" under discussion, you are amazing ours.
                      2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 21: 55
                        -2
                        Quote: Magog_
                        As part of the "educational program" under discussion, you are amazing ours.

                        Leave this mentor position, my dear. The conversation was about 2014, not the shaggy 1994. Have the training manuals changed in 20 years?
      2. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 19 March 2021 17: 36
        -6
        And they just bought you in Donbass with promises of Russian pensions and, accordingly, with the prices of Ukrainian products.
        1. Profiler
          Profiler 19 March 2021 19: 30
          0
          Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
          So the floor of Volnovakha in Ukrainian from time immemorial balak and nothing


          Nothing yes
          The newspaper "Khleborob", 1942, published in Volnovakha (rural region of Donbass) during the occupation.

        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 22: 06
          -2
          Quote: Sergey Nikiforov
          And you were simply bought in Donbass with promises of Russian pensions

          It really sucks, apparently, if someone is sold for a Russian pension. But Russian pensioners, of course, will be supported by the idea that somewhere (closer than in fraternal Venezuela) someone is even worse off than them. And, by the way, why did the passionaries stop sticking the term "Russian world" everywhere? Not trendy? Did Surkov take him with him when he left? Does he have a ®?
      3. beeper
        beeper 23 March 2021 15: 00
        0
        hi And not only in 2014!
        Having won, under completely opposite "gasps", at the 2010 pre-election, thanks to us, the Russian and Russian-speaking majority of the Ukrainian population, the hypocritical Jews of Mazepa, Yanyk and Azirov, immediately "jumped in a jump" and we were not asked if we wanted together with their stinking handful of shtetl klepto "z / Bandertsev" and Sbanderenny Galitsaev "there is no alternative to integrate" with Eurogean "common people"! negative
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 19 March 2021 12: 27
      +2
      Quote: Potomac
      And you residents of these areas, did not forget to ask, they need this New Russia and green people ?!

      And you don't need to ask anyone, the survey has already been:
      The Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR supported the holding of an all-Union referendum. Additionally, a second question was included in the bulletin: “Do you agree that Ukraine should be part of the Union of Soviet Sovereign States on the basis of the Declaration on State Sovereignty of Ukraine? "Yes or no"". The first question was answered in the affirmative by 70,2% of the voters who voted, 28% were against, On the second the question of including Ukraine in the Union of Soviet Sovereign States was answered in the affirmative by 80,2% of the voters.

      It remains only to implement.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 14: 21
        -2
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And you don't need to ask anyone

        Brilliant. laughing And what kind of
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Union of Soviet sovereign states
        ?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 19 March 2021 14: 23
          0
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Brilliant. What for

          Find information about who declared himself the successor of the USSR and will be true to you.
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 14: 31
            -4
            Quote: ROSS 42
            who declared himself the successor of the USSR and you will be the truth.

            That is, for you, this referendum delay of thirty years ago seems to have some kind of force? Are you fucking serious? Have the votes passed to the successor? What an extravaganza. laughing
      2. Potomac
        Potomac 19 March 2021 17: 35
        0
        I do not mind, create the USSR, and according to this referendum, Ukraine will become part of it.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 20 March 2021 08: 46
          +1
          Quote: Potomac
          I do not mind, create the USSR


          Are you used to freebies? Do you want someone to do everything for you?
      3. Maikcg
        Maikcg 21 March 2021 12: 33
        -2
        as part of the Union of Soviet sovereign states

        So the CIS did it, everything was in accordance with the referendum. Why be indignant? The Soviet system was just thrown out, but it was fashionable then, in trends, so to speak.
  • Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 19 March 2021 09: 56
    +9
    Kiev is actually a Russian city) It is simply occupied now by the Americans and no one even asks or notifies them by their jackals. Only instructions are given)
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    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 March 2021 10: 30
      -1
      Quote: Oleg Aviator
      Kiev is actually a Russian city) It is simply occupied now by the Americans and no one even asks or notifies them by their jackals.

      Surrounding the pedestal!
      Satan rules the ball
      The ball rules there!
      Satan rules the ball
      The ball rules there!
      1. martin-159
        martin-159 21 March 2021 07: 00
        -2
        So it is all over the Russian Federation today you can sing.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 19 March 2021 10: 02
    +4
    Unrealized plans: By 2021, the United States was going to turn Sevastopol into a rotational-basing zone for ships of the 6th Fleet
    What can I say ... they have a bummer, and our fleet is where it should be!
    1. cniza
      cniza 19 March 2021 12: 05
      +5
      In this place, yes, a bummer, but they must be broken off throughout the territory of Ukraine, otherwise we will be tied hand and foot.
      Good time! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 19 March 2021 12: 29
        +1
        Welcome soldier
        There is still a lot of work to be done ... the main thing is not to stop there.
        1. cniza
          cniza 19 March 2021 12: 31
          +2
          And yet, so that with the change of leaders, this work only intensifies, otherwise they will strangle us ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 19 March 2021 12: 39
            +1
            I already wrote that there is a request for specific, tough, fair leaders ...
            Of course, this does not fit into the rules of "inheritance of warm places" only for their own! But society is waiting for changes, reformation ... otherwise society will reach the point that it will undertake to carry out everything it wants, independently and without those who do not want to do it!
            1. cniza
              cniza 19 March 2021 12: 47
              +3
              I don't want a revolution from the word at all, I really believe that they will come in a normal, legal way ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 19 March 2021 13: 14
                +1
                Quote: cniza
                I don't want a revolution from the word at all

                do not want. therefore there is a desire to see people responsible not only to their own, but to all of us, to the COUNTRY!
                1. cniza
                  cniza 19 March 2021 16: 56
                  +1
                  And so that the country is not destroyed, but developed ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 19 March 2021 17: 44
                    0
                    Quote: cniza
                    And so that the country is not destroyed, but developed ...

                    Exactly!
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 19 March 2021 10: 03
    +12
    UUU-PPP-SS ... Really? belay Where is our constant opponent, Professor? After all, as recently as yesterday, he argued that no one needed a base in Sevastopol and the United States only needed peace of mind. And such and such a Russia does not give this peace of mind, dispersing its troops along the perimeter of the country ...
    Huh, Professor? Explain your logic please.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 March 2021 10: 22
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      Where is our constant opponent, Professor?

      It's amazing that he is silent. Something happened to your opponent.
      1. Shkworen
        Shkworen 19 March 2021 10: 57
        +4
        you don't understand, this is different :)
      2. VORON538
        VORON538 19 March 2021 14: 09
        +1
        Not only the professor is silent
        Surprisingly, I do not observe under the articles of the comments of the sect of forum pseudo-communists, collective svarog, so to speak lol Are they waiting for new training manuals in connection with the opus of the sleeping joe? lol
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 March 2021 10: 05
    +1
    Some kind of multi-move with Yanik is being drawn, during his reign, the Americans began to climb the Crimea?
    1. beeper
      beeper 23 March 2021 15: 28
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      What a multi-move draws with Yanik, during his reign the Americans began to climb the Crimea?

      hi Yes, it was precisely the Jews of Mazepa Yanyk-Azirov who very businesslikely continued the Ameroholuy "cause" of their "third-year-old papednik" and promoted not only the Banderonazis to ZRada, but also gave the "green light" to the American plans for Crimea and Sevastopol (not only the "partner maneuvers" of the NATO Navy but started by the Americans (back in the summer of 2013 !!!) the preparation of the buildings and premises they have chosen in Sevastopol for the deployment of the operational and technical services of the US intelligence!)! request
      But this does not interfere at all now, having escaped from his "friends" to Russia, Mykola Yanych, and Yanyk himself, "skiglity" that they were supposedly "pro-Russian" were, and not anti-Russian "uncontested European integrators" .. ... negative
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 19 March 2021 10: 06
    +11
    Well, it didn’t work for them in Sevastopol, it did in Odessa.
    It's also a problem for me, 100 km to the right and to the left.
    Their base is in the Black Sea anyway.

    And in 2014 in Odessa, our "little men" were expected in all seriousness. But it didn’t happen, and that’s the result, ours didn’t come, their "little men" came.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 19 March 2021 10: 24
      0
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      But it didn’t happen, and that’s the result, ours didn’t come, their "little men" came.

      And 30 years ago, they were normal people (I'm not talking about other people's "little men").
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 19 March 2021 10: 38
      +4
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And in 2014 in Odessa, our "little men" were expected in all seriousness
      The entire southeast of Ukraine was waiting for a signal from Russia, if not "little men". We waited ... Didier Burkhalter visited Moscow, after which, in an amazing way, we recognized the elections held by the junta, and did not recognize the elections in Donbass. Crimea automatically became an "annexation", and the United States began to struggle further.
    3. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 19 March 2021 12: 16
      +1
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Their base is in the Black Sea anyway.

      The base does not change the restrictions on their tonnage and time of presence in the Black Sea.
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      the result, ours did not come, their "little men" came.

      Conclusion: "little men" there are an integral component, so let ours be better. hi
  • Irek
    Irek 19 March 2021 10: 07
    +4
    Broke off the freaks.
  • Login_Off
    Login_Off 19 March 2021 10: 18
    +1
    What is the OBS news (one grandmother said)?
    Where do these plans come from?
    What kind of stuffing for a quote?
    Stop posting unconfirmed news on VO, or turn into a "yellow rag".
    I reread it twice ...
    Where "... According to the published data ...", "... the representative of the US Navy .... Said", where is there any evidence?
    Why not in 2020 or 2022?

    A shame, not an article!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 19 March 2021 10: 27
      +3
      In general, this was known back in 2014 ... the United States planned to make a base with ships and a certain number of military personnel there. We have even already picked up the plots and pricked up the skis with materials for construction and repairs. And then such a bummer came out ...
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 19 March 2021 10: 31
        +6
        I also heard about this .. but when I tried to search, I did not find a single statement and plan from partners, except for the OBS and information from "political scientists" on the network .. at least Ukraine and the United States should have at least previously discussed, but it wasn’t .. so pure OBS ..
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 19 March 2021 10: 33
          +1
          Strange ... 2 minutes of searching and here's:
          https://www.kp.ru/daily/26222/3105969/
          Note, information from 2014.
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 19 March 2021 10: 44
            +6
            In fairness, Denis, it is not written there that they were going to build a base, but it is written that just what to do repairs in a couple of buildings. The goal is to deploy / provide a contingent for the Sea Breeze 2014 exercises, which in September 2014 have passed and have been going on for 15 years for sure .. so the rest in the article of the OBS that they are trying to pull on the globe .. they make repairs every year before the exercises, where they are located .. I personally remember how in Feodosia, in 2011 (approximately) they wanted to be accommodated, do repairs, the people held a meeting and did not allow the trucks to leave the port ... they are gentle, they do not want to go to the tent city, they do repairs)
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 19 March 2021 10: 56
              +2
              Do you really believe that the United States will write in plain text like this, saying that we are building a base there? And why was it canceled immediately after the events in Crimea?
              they make repairs every year before the exercises, where they are located ...

              Does the US military need to be accommodated in schools and hospitals? They don't have cabins on their ships? Are they really so gentle that they certainly need to make repairs for half a million dollars of some school, live there for 2 weeks and leave? Do you yourself believe in such wasteful actions of the AMERICANS?
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 19 March 2021 11: 12
                +1
                How do you imagine NATO units doing repairs in a Russian school? In principle, I do not mind if there are no accommodations, let at least all schools be repaired for us at their own expense .. laughing
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 19 March 2021 11: 16
                  +4
                  how do you imagine

                  In principle, I cannot imagine NATO engineering units in the Russian school. And also doing repairs there, but free of charge ... I really don't know what has to turn over / spin / fall for this to happen.
                  Although ... Hollywood is mighty ... wassat
                2. Trapp1st
                  Trapp1st 19 March 2021 11: 39
                  +4
                  How do you imagine NATO units doing repairs in a Russian school?
                  Well, the captured Nazis also repaired and built various objects, but who would have thought))
              2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 12: 08
                0
                Quote: Wedmak
                Do you really believe that the United States will write in plain text like this, saying that we are building a base there?

                No, local conspiracy theorists will do it for them, no problem. More precisely, they are already doing it.
        2. nickname7
          nickname7 21 March 2021 16: 26
          0
          I have not found a single statement and plan from partners, except for the OBS and information from "political scientists"

          Try to find interviews or articles by Turchinov, Yatsenyuk, Yushchenko, even before the age of 14 they argued about the need to join NATO.
      2. Sergey Nikiforov
        Sergey Nikiforov 19 March 2021 17: 47
        +3
        You can question Where after 1945 was at least one full-fledged US base created.? To count the radar in Romania is silly Bagram.? With a big stretch, in 1993 I was with a group of officers at the Romstein base And although we were taken to the hospital, but to the outbuildings, the size and infrastructure were impressive Well, now explain why the base is in Sevastopol, when ANY country of black base This is what income and how many jobs
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 19 March 2021 19: 13
          -2
          What do you consider to be a full-fledged base?
          why base in Sevastopol

          Well, at least dip "these Russians" in the mud ... Glorious Sevastopol is now under US control - what is it like, eh? The strongest blow to prestige. And by pushing through an agreement with Ukraine on the deployment of an N number of soldiers and equipment there, you can practically control the Black Sea, inserting the Black Sea Fleet not even sticks - logs, wherever you want. And, if I understand correctly, this would be the closest NATO base to the borders of Russia. Where can you suddenly bring radar and air defense systems ... from where you can calmly launch UAVs, which from now on will hang on our borders for weeks ... where there is no Russian Black Sea Fleet - this will have a strong impact on the control of our borders.
          In general, if you are a military man, why am I explaining to you the elementary truths that are visible from the sofa?
          1. Sergey Nikiforov
            Sergey Nikiforov 19 March 2021 22: 47
            +3
            The Baltic states have seen at least one base in NATO since 2004.? And the infrastructure in the same Tartu (where the divisional commander was Dudayev) is completely intact So about the Crimea This is called the Pyrrhic victory Found the Crimea, lost Ukraine Now the B-52s fly there freely And the length of the borders is 1200 km and they need to be constantly strengthened, spending a lot of money Go war against Ukraine.? The referendum will not work there anymore.? The USSR has already been expelled from the League of Nations, In this case, it will be worse Iran as forced to a nuclear deal.? That's right, the embargo on the purchase of oil They definitely apply it to us And then .........
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 20 March 2021 07: 35
              +1
              Why is there a base in the Baltics? You are either pretending, or you do not want to think a little. All the Baltics and so under NATO, bark on command. But Ukraine is just making its way there and Crimea would be an excellent place of control for both Russia and Ukraine.
              Pyrrhic victory Gained Crimea, lost Ukraine

              You misused the term "Pyrrhic victory". This actually stands for "victory at the cost of monstrous losses." And Ukraine was not our property. It was an independent (well, as far as it could) country, with its own politics. They worked great with her, built airplanes, for example. But at one point I turned the wrong way. Well ... a tailwind to the fifth point. Do you think that if the Crimea had not crossed over to Russia, the B-52 would not have flown there? Yeah, shchaz ... there is no need to conquer Ukraine. It just doesn't make sense.
              Iran and Russia are slightly different weight categories, agree? If only because the Russian Federation already has nuclear weapons and is very diverse. We can talk about any deal if ALL countries that have nuclear weapons join it. But this will not happen in the near future.
              That's right, the embargo on the purchase of oil They definitely apply it to us And then .........

              What then? In the first winter, Europe is freezing with almost the entire composition on the principle of "spite of Russia" And the United States is violet to Europe, they have their own resources. And they will not be able to fully provide the EU with gas and oil. Do not forget also that Russia can already respond to the United States to such embargoes.
            2. Maikcg
              Maikcg 21 March 2021 12: 38
              +1
              Gained Crimea, Ukraine lost Russia

              fixed
    2. Mikhail Malakhov_2
      Mikhail Malakhov_2 19 March 2021 10: 30
      +8
      The usual article ... to excite the patriots
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 19 March 2021 17: 14
        +4
        Quote: Mikhail Malakhov_2
        The usual article ... to excite the patriots

        Yes, judging by the passionary crap, the horse pathogen works. laughing Vaughn, already Kiev and the surrounding area were again going to take by storm and "finally solve" the issue with Donbass. Once in the millionth, go. Nothing, let him go by evening. And tomorrow - a new portion. I notice that many people here have an unhealthy addiction to the heading "well, sho there at x ..... s?"
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 March 2021 10: 19
    +1
    Quote: dimy44
    "We are dragging out a long time to resolve the Ukrainian problem."
    Surely all the options have been calculated there, which means the risks are too high.

    The risks are great, human and material resources are limited.
  • Mk-Ve
    Mk-Ve 19 March 2021 10: 24
    -4
    Judging by who has been in power in Russia since 91, and there are solid "highly spiritual, leafy patriots" with financial and family roots in the West, American troops have every chance of returning to Crimea.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 19 March 2021 10: 31
      +3
      And for some reason, they have not returned for 7 years in any way ... Probably they are concentrating.
      1. Mk-Ve
        Mk-Ve 19 March 2021 10: 43
        -1
        Quote: Wedmak
        And for some reason, they have not returned for 7 years in any way ... Probably they are concentrating.
        And the real politics is somewhat different in terms of timeframes from movies and computer games. The ruling circles of the United States, for example, have been pursuing a policy of dismembering our country for more than one decade. And I must admit that they are doing well, our country, Russia, to put it mildly, is experiencing centrifugal tendencies, economically, many regions are already more connected with foreign countries, many regions culturally no longer associate themselves with Russia, etc. And by the way, our nationalists are playing into their hands.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 19 March 2021 10: 45
          +3
          In my opinion, I just read some kind of fantasy.
          1. Mk-Ve
            Mk-Ve 19 March 2021 11: 01
            -2
            Quote: Wedmak
            In my opinion, I just read some kind of fantasy.

            Well, of course, the disintegration of the Russian Empire and the collapse of the USSR are <this is another> (C). It's good to be a believer all the same, it's easy to live, no tortures of rational thinking for you ..
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 19 March 2021 11: 12
              +2
              You did not give ANY fact indicating:
              experiencing centrifugal tendencies, economically many regions are already more connected with foreign countries, many regions culturally no longer associate themselves with Russia

              Why should I believe your words?
  • Mk-Ve
    Mk-Ve 19 March 2021 10: 32
    -3
    Quote: Per se.
    all this is Russian land.

    The more the nationalists shout about the "Russian land" the less it will eventually remain with the Russians. Nationalism as a political phenomenon leads to only one thing - the enmity of all against all. Isn't it time to ask the question, and who benefits from people of different nationalities, religions and skin colors at enmity with each other?
    1. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 19 March 2021 12: 27
      +2
      Quote: Mk-Ve
      Isn't it time to ask the question, and who benefits from people of different nationalities, religions and skin colors at enmity with each other?

      For a long time this question was asked and the Soviet government solved it for 70 years.
      Only she is able to decide. hi
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg 21 March 2021 12: 42
        0
        No, the Soviet government aggravated this problem. It was called "local cadres".
        For example like this
  • iouris
    iouris 19 March 2021 10: 50
    -2
    And now the target is Astrakhan.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 19 March 2021 10: 57
      +3
      Sorry what? What does Astrakhan have to do with it?
      1. Maikcg
        Maikcg 21 March 2021 12: 45
        0
        Arkhangelsk-Astrakhan line, ancient mriya plan barbarossA
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 19 March 2021 12: 00
      +3
      Quote: iouris
      And now the target is Astrakhan.

      And the village of Gadyukino laughing
      1. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 21 March 2021 12: 55
        0
        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: iouris
        And now the target is Astrakhan.

        And the village of Gadyukino

        For "the city of Kiev, the city of the serpent" - the very thing. yes
  • Andrey Korotkov
    Andrey Korotkov 19 March 2021 11: 17
    0
    “The time of Ochakovo and the conquest of the Crimea” - remember Griboyedov? Can change the phrase to a modern way
  • Avior
    Avior 19 March 2021 11: 29
    +1
    ... by 2021, it would finally turn into a rotational-based zone for ships of the US 6th Fleet

    The anonymous author, it seems, has never heard of the Montreux Convention and the conditions for the presence of ships of non-Black Sea states in the Black Sea, so as to freeze it ...
    1. Hagen
      Hagen 19 March 2021 12: 18
      0
      Quote: Avior
      an anonymous author, it seems, has never heard of such a blast ...

      There are no immortal treaties and conventions. In addition, you can arrange a ship with a crew for rent to one of the Black Sea states. What is the problem. Outsourcing and outstaffing in the west are very common things.
      1. Avior
        Avior 19 March 2021 12: 27
        +1
        In addition, you can arrange a ship with a crew for rent to one of the Black Sea states.

        Tell examples in relation to the convention.
        There are no immortal treaties and conventions.

        that's when the convention is canceled, then there is something to talk about
    2. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov 19 March 2021 15: 23
      -2
      The word of the rotational-based fleet tells you something
  • zwlad
    zwlad 19 March 2021 11: 31
    +1
    The NATO base in Ochakov is also very bad.
    1100 km to Moscow and 270 km to Sevastopol. Theoretically, one salvo can cover the entire Black Sea Fleet in 15-20 minutes.
    1. Trapp1st
      Trapp1st 19 March 2021 11: 41
      +4
      The NATO base in Ochakov is also very bad.
      This is rather unacceptable, as well as B 52 over Khorkov.
    2. cniza
      cniza 19 March 2021 12: 03
      +3
      We must not allow them to gain a foothold there, otherwise they will "gnaw" us ...
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon 19 March 2021 12: 03
      -1
      Quote: zwlad
      Theoretically, one salvo can cover the entire Black Sea Fleet in 15-20 minutes.

      And this base is immortal or what will it be? Yes, a dozen Iskander missiles are probably already aimed at it.
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 19 March 2021 12: 06
        +2
        How will this help the Black Sea Fleet? Yes, in response to a bullet. But our ships will not be.
        "Partners" will bring in new ones, how are we going to block them?
    4. Maikcg
      Maikcg 21 March 2021 12: 47
      0
      Theoretically, in 15-30 minutes the Strategic Missile Forces will cover the whole of America. And the Black Sea Fleet is definitely not a key factor in the victory in such a conflict.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 19 March 2021 11: 45
    0
    And how many talks there have been that this is not a US Navy base, it is just a supply point
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 19 March 2021 12: 52
      0
      The Ukrainians wanted to spit on the Kharkov agreements. The same as in Minsk. With such "brothers" and enemies, do not. History once again demonstrates the "multi-vector" ukrov, starting with Mazepa.
  • ABC-schütze
    ABC-schütze 19 March 2021 11: 56
    0
    I believe that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Ministry of Defense of Russia could, on the issue of the so-called. "rotation" of NATO contingents in zones with contractual restrictions on the deployment of forces and assets of the parties to be assertive. After all, what is the so-called. "rotation" in its MILITARY essence? .. Yes, nothing else but a REAL, DOUBLE build-up of forces and equipment of a potential enemy near the borders of Russia. Regardless of whether we are talking about the so-called. "air police", which controls the airspace over the water area and the territory of the Baltic near the Russian borders and is based on the airfields of the Baltic limitrophes, modernized to receive all types of aircraft. Or about the NATO ground contingents in the territories of the same limitrophes, "rotationally" deployed in the so-called. "Combat battalion groups of NATO's expanded presence". Also about the "rotation" of the US Navy and NATO in the Black Sea. After all, "rotation" is not carried out anywhere on the principle of "one left, the other came." No ... The "trick" is that during the PERIOD of "rotation" there is a DOUBLE detachment of forces and equipment at the places of deployment and deployment of contingents of a potential military enemy. preliminarily already coordinated, technically organizationally compatible and united by a single military planning. The contingents, which have long included potential ("certified") carriers of nuclear weapons (NATO tactical aviation as part of the already mentioned "air police"). And these squads of forces and means, including the so-called. "X-hour" may well be SUDDENLY used for strikes on Russia without any "preliminary deployment". And NATO and the United States are systematically presenting the so-called. "rotation" precisely as a way of observing contractual restrictions, although in essence and form, the opposite is true. I will clarify that we are talking about deployment on the so-called. "permanent basis. After all, Russia signed agreements EXACTLY with NATO, as the ONE military alliance. AND ITS CONTINGENTS (i.e. NATO) near the borders of Russia are CONSTANTLY present in the places of deployment and deployment, even during the period of the so-called. "rotate" when they DOUBLE. So, the so-called. The "rotation" of the NATO troops of the Germans to the NATO troops of the Turks or the NATO troops of the Poles, in this case, does not change anything and is a violation of agreements with Russia ...
  • cniza
    cniza 19 March 2021 11: 57
    +4
    In other words, already now the American flag would fly over Sevastopol, and the US Navy ships would stand in its bay.


    This is what infuriates them most of all, Russia has taken away from under its noses ...
  • Hagen
    Hagen 19 March 2021 12: 14
    +2
    Based on these plans, the updated facility with a NATO military presence in Sevastopol was supposed to be landscaped by 2018, and by 2021 it would have finally turned into a rotational basing zone for ships of the US 6th Fleet.

    It would not be bad to include some of the "plans ..." in the article. In general, is there any texture? Or again from someone else's voice ...?
    1. ABC-schütze
      ABC-schütze 19 March 2021 12: 39
      0
      In fact, the former united Ukraine, in the so-called. In the "post-Soviet" period, she was an active and proactive participant in NATO's pre-casting, known as the Partnership for Peace program. Within which the Armed Forces of the countries "potential members", carrying out the so-called. "homework", reorganizing my armed forces to the level of almost complete compatibility with NATO requirements. And in terms of structural and organizational, and in terms of technical and armaments, and in terms of military-staff planning and command-and-control procedures ... The same applies to infrastructure, bases and the possibility (creation of real potential) to be a "host". Able, at the required moment, to ensure the reception and deployment of the so-called. "allied" forces. What other additional "plans" do you need in this case? .. And for what? .. If the REALITY of long-term STRATEGIC GOALS IS REALLY CONFIRMED BY A CONSISTENT PRACTICAL POLICY and decisions taken? .. Let me remind you, just in case, that the military contingent of the former united Ukraine, as part of the US and NATO occupation contingents in Iraq, was SECOND in number, after the Polish ...
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 19 March 2021 16: 15
        +2
        Quote: ABC-schütze
        What other additional "plans" do you need in this case? ..

        Those that figure 2018 as the year of improvement, and 2021 as the year of the beginning of the basing of part of the US 6th Fleet on a rotational basis. Actually, a "plan", if referred to, is a document signed and approved by someone. This is not the opinion of some blogger on the Internet.
        1. ABC-schütze
          ABC-schütze 19 March 2021 22: 21
          0
          Not convinced. For this, I remain unconvinced. First, VO is a public (albeit specialized) information portal for ALL users, incl. and bloggers. And its news section is not a daily situation summary for management. Those. the authors of the news section, in principle, can quite afford such terminological "liberties" as the designation by the term "plan" of OBVIOUS intentions of the parties not yet clothed in the format of a document. In an infe of this level, "plan" and "intent" may well be considered synonyms. Secondly, let's imagine that the author of the article has posted on the portal the "evidence" you require in the format you want (with stamps, signatures and terms). Presumably, your next logical desire would be to find out: "Where did the author get it?" Isn't that so? .. I think that with this kind of curiosity to be more modest ... Thirdly, you did not react in any way to the final paragraph of my reply to your post. In which I quite clearly remind myself that ALL the policy of the "post-Soviet" leadership of the former united Ukraine, since the collapse of the USSR, was conceptually and IN PRACTICE aimed at integration "into NATO." I could also add that at the summit of the alliance in Budapest (2006) Kiev and Tiflis were already practically ready to receive the so-called. The "Action Plan" and they were actively supported by Washington and NATO-vsky remake of the "enlargement" of 2004. But thanks to the efforts of Russia, Kiev and Tiflis, asked to "wait in the hallway" ... In short, the lack of authentic texts of the documents you want in the article does not in any way reduce the overall level of authenticity of the author's message. And to "believe" this or "not to believe" is your own business ...
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 20 March 2021 09: 24
            +1
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            Not convinced. For this, I remain unconvinced.

            Actually, I didn't want to convince you of anything. I talked about what I am missing in the article. What have you got to do with it? Do you still have your opinion? Perfectly. Stay there, I have no pretensions ...
            1. ABC-schütze
              ABC-schütze 20 March 2021 13: 38
              0
              You, in your first answer to my question to your comment, conducted an educational program with me. Explained what a "plan" is. Thanks for that. that means I, at least, "with this" ... You said that in the article you "lack" a plan. But they did not explain in any way why, in fact, you need it? .. You also said that the author submits the material "from someone's voices" ... Thus, indirectly, you questioned the conceptual reliability of the entire article. , there is no reason. And there is no reason for this. And the arguments in this regard, I gave above ...
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 20 March 2021 14: 13
                +2
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                it means that I, at least, "at the time"

                Okay. Let me explain. The article is titled: "Unfulfilled Plans: By 2021, the United States was going to turn Sevastopol into a rotational basing zone for ships of the 6th Fleet." If you do not show these plans, then the mention of them very much resembles the common clichés about "Moscow is freaking out ...", "Russia plans to dismember the EU ..." and others like that. Therefore, it is interesting for me to read something specific, and not fictions, reprinted from other publications, where the "truth" is also very conditional. Like a story about an airplane, from which half of the ship's crew quit and the rest were treated by psychiatrists. If you have no reason for such desires, then this is purely your business. You have the right. I have the right to want details and proven reliability.
                1. ABC-schütze
                  ABC-schütze 21 March 2021 18: 20
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                  And what is your "explanation"? .. You simply repeated your wish, only in other words. And they reminded me of their "right" ... Your link to the title of the article is not an argument for me. At school I am taught to begin acquaintance with any material, namely with a careful reading of the title. And I am following this good advice ... But I have already reminded that a news article on a public portal is not a "daily" summary for the command. And in this kind of articles, the intentions of the parties, it is quite permissible to designate the "plans" mentioned in the title. I am more surprised that while pushing on your interest in authenticity, you nevertheless stubbornly ignore the "accompanying background" (that is, the SPECIFIC FACTOR from the prehistory), on which for YEARS in Sevastopol and the Crimea (more broadly, on the Black Sea), the US was developing (NATO). And she, just, in the possibility of doubting the authenticity of the original (already since the collapse of the USSR) intentions of Washington and Brussels for the long-term consolidation of their military presence in Crimea, Sevastopol and the region (with the parallel ousting of Russia from it) does not give ...
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 22 March 2021 10: 04
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                    Quote: ABC-schütze
                    I am more surprised that while pushing on your interest in authenticity, you nevertheless stubbornly ignore the "accompanying background"

                    You know, the "background" is not interesting to me. Had a hint about the "plan", provide a plan. Are you "background" enough? Satisfy with the background. It's your problem. The documents themselves are more interesting to me than the arguments about them by persons who have never seen them.
  • fuel oil
    fuel oil 19 March 2021 12: 18
    0
    This is the indecision and unresolved problem of 2014. All the same, sanctions would have been imposed and the rest of the blizzard would have been raised. Nikolaev is no less a Russian city, plus factories, ports, etc. Now "partners" are from the rear, west and east. Crimean grouping will not be the most rosy situation.
  • Dimide
    Dimide 19 March 2021 12: 22
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    Article Smiled.
    I want to remind the forgetful comrades "Kharkov agreements"
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  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 19 March 2021 12: 48
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    Yeah .. With such "brothers" and enemies, do not. History once again demonstrates the "multi-vector" ukrov, starting with Mazepa.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 19 March 2021 13: 34
    -1
    Well, they are not brothers to us .. what can you do .. and treating them with goodness and truth is already poorly obtained ..
  • faterdom
    faterdom 19 March 2021 13: 52
    +3
    Under the guise of how the Americans "needed Ukraine," they really needed Crimea and Sevastopol.
    And what is interesting, if it were not for the coup - it is very likely that they would have received it from another Yanukovych, or there, tymoshenko - they are all not averse to bargaining with the security of Russia, it is profitable and very cunning!
    But someone clever decided: what to delay ... until the 14th or even more so the 17th year, this business must be accelerated.
    We received a suitcase without a handle - Ukraine without Crimea and without any real hope of "returning everything back."
    So the grateful residents of Crimea should put up a monument to Obama and Nuland with the inscription "Thank you, dear friends!" They will be pleased. And give them a prize. Lenin's or Stalin's - let them choose themselves.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra 19 March 2021 16: 22
    +1
    It is noteworthy that the American military is also taking an active part in the creation of this infrastructure. In particular, we are talking about the work carried out by the personnel of the 1st Construction Battalion of the United States Marine Corps.

    It is noteworthy that they are building a base there for 73 MC SPOs. The US Navy is with him, there are bases in Romania, and they do not cancel the Strait Convention, but the underwater sabotage near the Crimea is bad
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 19 March 2021 17: 54
    +1
    Quote: taiga2018
    This was not the answer the country expected from its leader yesterday, but the severance of diplomatic and any relations with the United States ...

    And why are small things? Immediately across Washington DC ...
    It's good that "Akela", unlike you, has a brain and knows how to use it
  • Alex Kozyrev
    Alex Kozyrev 20 March 2021 10: 43
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    The boundless arrogance of the Americans was always simply amazed. It's time for us, too, to create our bases closer to the United States. Africa, of course, is not bad, but this is just the beginning. Venezuela should be next. In Cuba, unfortunately, I do not think it will burn out - there, right up to the war, then it will heat up. And yes, it is necessary to decide with Ukraine. As part of Russia, it is not needed for nothing, a huge heap of money will need to be spent on it, but a loyal or at least neutral government is needed there.
    1. Maikcg
      Maikcg 21 March 2021 12: 53
      +1
      You do not understand this other!
      Flight of a pair of Tu-160 to Venezuela.
      “The peoples of Russia and Venezuela should view it this way: two corrupt governments squander public funds, suppressing freedom while people suffer.” (C) Mike Pompeo.
      1. ABC-schütze
        ABC-schütze 21 March 2021 18: 25
        +1
        No ... We understand everything correctly. No one in the world doubts that the peoples of Venezuela and Russia have sent Mr. Pompeo as an intercessor for their urgent affairs, suffering and freedoms ...
    2. nickname7
      nickname7 21 March 2021 16: 02
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      The boundless arrogance of the Americans was always simply amazed.

      Because they can
      It's time for us to create our bases closer to the United States.

      The fact is that the creator hasn't grown, so it won't work.
  • Simon
    Simon 20 March 2021 10: 51
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    I sympathize with the Americans! They themselves climb to their destruction in the Black Sea. Remains on the "Black Sea bag", we just tie the knot, with the help of missiles and aircraft. wink
  • Simon
    Simon 20 March 2021 11: 05
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    Quote: Cowbra
    It is noteworthy that the American military is also taking an active part in the creation of this infrastructure. In particular, we are talking about the work carried out by the personnel of the 1st Construction Battalion of the United States Marine Corps.

    It is noteworthy that they are building a base there for 73 MC SPOs. The US Navy is with him, there are bases in Romania, and they do not cancel the Strait Convention, but the underwater sabotage near the Crimea is bad

    Yes, American submarine saboteurs will do nothing. Currently Crimea is well fortified. In addition, our fleet and marines are not boobies, they are on their native land. So, that will stand up for the Russian land.
  • BOB044
    BOB044 20 March 2021 11: 30
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    Sevastopol is a city of Russian sailors. And not some hohlyatsky and American sailors will not be based when. It was not for them that Russia defended Crimea from enemies, every meter of this land is watered with the blood of Russian and Soviet soldiers.
  • Oleg Shlyapin
    Oleg Shlyapin 20 March 2021 14: 03
    +1
    Brad - no one planned to deploy the 6th US fleet in Sevastopol
  • martin-159
    martin-159 21 March 2021 06: 50
    -1
    Quote: Insurgent
    Yanukovo is an oligarch urka with the intelligence of a zavgar, where he smelled of money, he looked there.

    Whether it's our oligarchs, they think more and more about the people ...
    1. ABC-schütze
      ABC-schütze 21 March 2021 18: 32
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      And who is "your" oligarchs? .. I somehow find it difficult to see such in the Russian government. Prokhorov tried, however, "for the presidency", but it turned out to be a bummer ... And the President with the implementation of the PRT 2020 (it seems like, for the Russians, not "anti-people" at all), things are quite normal. In any case, not lower than "+4" ...
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 21 March 2021 13: 04
    +1
    if Russia allows the base at Ochkovo to expand to its fullest, it will be a failure.