"Integrated into the US missile defense system": the Japanese Navy has been replenished with a new missile defense destroyer "Haguro"

The Japanese naval forces have been replenished with the latest missile defense destroyer Haguro. The ceremony of handing over the ship took place on March 18, 2021 at the military shipyard in the port of Yokohama. This is reported by Kyodo.

"Haguro" is the second and last ship of the new generation of project 27DDG after the lead destroyer "May", which is armed with SM-3 Block IIA missiles capable of intercepting ballistic targets at altitudes up to 500 km. The new destroyer is equipped with the modernized Aegis combat information management system and will be integrated into the US missile defense system in the region.

Japan's missile defense system today includes two Atago-class destroyers, four Congo-class destroyers and, counting Haguro, two Maya-class destroyers. Of all the ships, only Maya and Haguro received the upgraded Aegis system, the rest of the ships have an earlier version installed.

"Haguro" will be deployed at the Sasebo naval base on the island of Kyushu, facing the Korean Peninsula and China. The Aegis computerized tracking and guidance system installed on the destroyer allows you to instantly receive data on missiles and enemy aircraft, even if they are not yet visible to the ship's radars. According to the Japanese military, this significantly increases the ability to intercept North Korea's Chinese cruise missiles and ballistic missiles.

The new destroyer is 169,9 meters long and 22,2 meters wide. Displacement - 8,2 thousand tons. The destroyer is capable of speeds up to 30 knots. It is a development of a series of Atago-class destroyers equipped with the upgraded Aegis BIUS with SM-3 Block IIA interceptor missiles.

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[Doccor18]

Arming "samurai" ...
Something not enough displacement. Or is it standard. The full is clearly over 10 ...

[Galleon]

Quote: Doccor18

Something not enough displacement

And with which ship would you like to compare this displacement? Why is it not enough? With "Grigorovich? - 3810t, with the destroyer pr.956? - 6800 / 7500t. With Burke? - 8300 / 9200t. Normal displacement.
I'd like to receive news of this order about our fleet: "commissioned", "handed over to the fleet", "adopted and ordered a series." And not the order "I will promise now, and then you will calm down."

[Doccor18]

Yes, I read it already. Indeed, a full 10250 tons.
I did not compare it with anyone, just the dimensions are identical to Atago, and the displacement is suspiciously small.
And what to compare with others ... It remains only to envy the Japanese and Chinese navies. Such ships are being built ... Anyway, it's expensive to see. True, in the case of Japan, all this beauty will be against us ...

[Galleon]

Perhaps the Aegis BIUS is not small in itself: generating capacities are needed, areas for microwave transceivers, and a computing part. In addition, the dimensions of the SM-3 Block IIA are not small: length 6,55m, diameter 53cm. By the way, the maximum range of its flight is 2500 km, and the maximum altitude is declared at 1500 km, so this rocket should get the ballistics. But it's better not to have to check, of course.
With North Korea close at hand, you will inevitably attend to the need for such missile defense destroyers. It is clear that the Koreans themselves will not be the first to start if they are not bullied, but they do not think in military categories: if there is a threat, we need to answer, we need such ships, at least 9: 3 are on duty, 3 are under repair, 3 are in readiness.

[voyaka uh]

"the maximum height is declared at 1500 km" ///
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1050 km. But this is also doubtful. ICBMs do not fly above 500 km.
In one of the tests, sm-3 shot down a spoiled satellite flying at an altitude of 250 km.
Kinetic interception in space on a collision course is a tricky one.
On average, 50% is the result of the missile defense They expect that each BR will have to shoot
three consecutive times, at least, from different destroyers.

[Galleon]

Alex, good evening!
Apparently I have a typo. Thank!

[Greenwood]

Quote: Doccor18

in the case of Japan, all this beauty will be against us ...

And in the case of China, too, when China decides that it is no longer on its way with us.

[Bogatyrev]

Yes, this is a cool air defense cruiser. Not even auxiliary. As far as I remember, in addition to the Aegis, the Japanese ships are equipped with radars designed for early detection of low-flying targets and are specially designed to ensure the protection of American AUGs from Soviet cruise missiles.

[yehat2]

Quote: Doccor18

Arming "samurai" ...

the power of the sm3 rocket is conditionally sufficient (500 km is most likely a lie)
but its effectiveness raises a lot of questions - so much so that there have already been 2 scandals from the Japanese and Koreans. Unlike the United States, Japan has made real attempts to intercept North Korean missiles and they have failed. the problem is that the missiles are designed for a direct hit, and it is quite difficult to achieve it with such speed parameters. To make a rocket light and satisfying performance characteristics, they sacrificed its shock capabilities.
Formally, it is capable of intercepting, but the probability ... it is now estimated at around 2-3 percent. Is that very old scuds she can more or less intercept, but also at the level of a patriot, and this is 20-30% The Israelis with an iron dome are not doing well either. Formally, they report about a 60% hit probability, and eyewitnesses also talk about 20-30.
At the very least, it is reliably known that two-missile launches do not guarantee defeat even at the 40% level.
So with the weapons of the samurai, not everything is smooth.

[Machito]

Sushi-eaters are boring. A bunch of destroyers were built against us and other boxes. The islands are begging. They completely forgot Kuzka's mother.

[yehat2]

the navy is their main defensive force. like our tanks.
When China, North Korea, the "aggressor" in the northern territories and the US base are nearby, it would be strange that they would not replenish the fleet. Moreover, the sea is the basis of their survival.
I have nothing against this ship. I am annoyed by their 2 destroyers - an aircraft carrier and a lurch towards reorganizing the self-defense forces into an attacking army.

[voyaka uh]

"Japan has real attempts to intercept North Korean missiles and they were unsuccessful" ///
----
Naturally. North Koreans did not shoot at Japan, but in the ocean far away
beyond the Japanese islands. Korean MRBMs were launched specially at a very high
trajectories in space so that they cannot be shot down by the Aegis system.
----
J.C. intercepts only those missiles that are aimed at residential areas.
Missiles, the trajectory of which, when calculated, shows a fall in a deserted
terrain, the system misses.

[yehat2]

Quote: voyaka uh

Korean MRBMs were launched specially at a very high
trajectories in space so that they cannot be shot down by the Aegis system.

the problem is that according to the technical specifications it was declared that they could shoot down.
and the Japanese, who like to do it by the rules, tried to intercept the missiles coming over them. The results were very disappointing. So much so that they canceled orders for Rayteon for $ 3.5 billion. And the Koreans also said - what for do we need such missiles that do not help, but anger our neighbors?

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: yehat2

Quote: voyaka uh

Korean MRBMs were launched specially at a very high
trajectories in space so that they cannot be shot down by the Aegis system.

the problem is that according to the technical specifications it was declared that they could shoot down.
and the Japanese, who like to do it by the rules, tried to intercept the missiles coming over them. The results were very disappointing. So much so that they canceled orders for Rayteon for $ 3.5 billion. And the Koreans also said - what for do we need such missiles that do not help, but anger our neighbors?

The Japanese will not reach Moscow with rockets ... The rest is a forest for China ... electricity for him ...

[yehat2]

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

The Japanese will not reach Moscow with rockets

And what about us, people only live in MSCs? the rest can be bombed ???

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: yehat2

Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021

The Japanese will not reach Moscow with rockets

And what about us, people only live in MSCs? the rest can be bombed ???

Why hit with rockets and bomb where there are few people, the population? In Moscow, everything .... happiness and sorrow for them ..... It's bad that the RUSSIANS are sorting out all the Moscow dirt ....

[Vadim Golubkov]

Are you jealous of your fellow countrymen who managed to settle in Moscow? Moscow is a city of visitors of different generations and modern, real Muscovites, about 20 percent left. Even in the Kremlin, the politicians are not newcomers. Why don't you like your fellow Russians who came to Moscow from different parts of our country and from neighboring countries?

[yehat2]

Quote: Vadim Golubkov

Why do you not like your fellow countrymen Russians who came to Moscow from different parts of our country?

for who many of them were and who they are in the MSC
at least half of them in one way or another in the MSC become corrupt lackeys, often extremely aggressive and greedy. Love these?

[Vadim Golubkov]

Are you talking about teachers, drivers, workers, builders, doctors, nurses, salespeople, etc.? Corrupt, lackeys, aggressive, greedy, what other epithets can you think of for your fellow countrymen? Are you jealous of them too?

[yehat2]

that I should be jealous of them if I earn at least the average Muscovite.
and there are plenty of justifications around you, just look around.

[Vadim Golubkov]

You see, in addition to you, others earn no less living not in Moscow, but stereotypes that everyone is bad, but everyone around us is good ... some kind of kindergarten. Everywhere people are the same with their problems, there are good and bad everywhere.

[yehat2]

where do you think so? I took my statements not from the ceiling, but from comparisons from personal experience. And this is not one or two meetings, but hundreds of episodes.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Hundreds of episodes of aggression, greed, venality, servility, your fellow countrymen that happened to you? Hundreds of episodes, is it 300-400-500? Where is it and under what circumstances? Or, as usual, it was, but I will not justify. Moreover, you take cases from personal experience, which means I don't?

[yehat2]

I have no idea what your experience is, but I know perfectly well who goes to MSC and how they are changing.

[Vadim Golubkov]

And if you claim that your fellow countrymen living in Moscow are greedy, aggressive, lackeys and corrupt, maybe they were already like this before coming to Moscow and were they originally like this? You do not love your fellow countrymen.

[Vadim Golubkov]

I understood, and if you had problems in hundreds of episodes with your fellow countrymen, how bad they are and with vices, then the point is not in your fellow countrymen, but in you.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Justify about greed, aggression, servility, venality, your fellow countrymen? Interesting.

[Avior]

... it is now estimated at around 2-3 percent.

And who evaluates that?
For a rocket flying along a ballistic trajectory, it doesn't matter whether the old rocks fly there or a new one

[tralflot1832]

A Chinese ballistic medium-range anti-aircraft missile will be intercepted, well, at least the Ynovskaya?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

our admirals and commanders-in-chief at least straining the composition of the Japanese navy?

[tralflot1832]

They know how to count, but do not forget the PRC and the DPRK. The main enemy for them is China and Russia. After an idle exhaust in Anchorage, Lavrov goes to the PRC at the invitation of March 23rd. I think there will be a lot of interesting things. It is stupid to compete with the whole world alone, we take the example of the Americans. .And the Japanese have not forgotten that they were a nuclear test site for the current allies?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: tralflot1832

They know how to count, but do not forget the PRC and the DPRK. The main enemy for them is China and Russia. After an idle exhaust in Anchorage, Lavrov goes to the PRC at the invitation of March 23rd. I think there will be a lot of interesting things. It is stupid to compete with the whole world alone, we take the example of the Americans. .And the Japanese have not forgotten that they were a nuclear test site for the current allies?

forgot, see their tutorials. from the Americans to take an example in what? there is no fleet in comparison with all the "friends" of our country, only a vigorous loaf is threatened. understandable to the blind. "We'll shoot back from the fortress" if anything isn't pleasant? but the truth.

[tralflot1832]

So far, only a loaf, but sobering. We look at Eun. Of the new shipyards, we only have Pella and Zvezda, the rest from the USSR, the Kerch Gulf there. And in total we have more than 250 shipbuilding facilities, from the Sochi shipyard, which is urgently trying to make 6 taxi boats with a capacity of 20 people to the complex in Severodvinsk. Everything now depends on the number of workers. Orders for billions, ten years. The Navy is expensive, but it is not in a black enclosure.

[Greenwood]

Quote: tralflot1832

Star

This is a commercial shipyard; it will not carry out orders for the military.

[tralflot1832]

I brought up to and fro, how many of them are scattered around the country and everyone needs young personnel. Pella is also commercial, with a very interesting owner. There would be more of them.

[Greenwood]

Quote: tralflot1832

how many of them are scattered around the country and everyone needs young cadres

If the average salary there is in the region of 30k, then they will not collect personnel soon.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

forgot

Where does this information come from?

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

see their tutorials

As an experienced Japanese scholar who has been to Japan more than once, I wonder what textbooks you are talking about. Please write here the authors and the year of publication.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Greenwood

To me, as an experienced Japanese scholar who has been to Japan more than once,

ask the youth who bombed Hiroshima ... well, or approach the crowd with a similar question, which is marching for the "northern territories".

[Greenwood]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

ask the youth

He participated in conversation clubs many times, communicated with students of Tokyo universities. And the issue of politics and the Second World War was also discussed. They know perfectly well who bombed them and for what merits. This myth about "the Japanese who forgot who bombed them" is replicated only on the territory of the Russian Federation by jingoistic patriots who have never been to Japan and have never seen a living Japanese in their lives.

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

well, or approach the crowd with a similar question, which is marching for the "northern territories"

And how is the issue of the "northern territories" related to nuclear bombings? Such processions are usually very few in number and are organized by some politicians to raise their ratings before the elections. No more.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Greenwood

No more.

oh, okay ... the Japanese parliament, Kokkai ask if they are completely for you, then I'm with you.https://proza.ru/2014/08/06/684 proceed ? like this:https://zen.yandex.ru/media/anime/znaiut-li-iaponcy-kto-sbrosil-na-nih-atomnye-bomby-5c2dfc969175d500aabd4cd5 tell us how the Japanese love us,

[Greenwood]

You twist. Initially, it was about nuclear bombing. The Kuril Islands and their affiliation have nothing to do with it.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Greenwood

You twist. Initially, it was about nuclear bombing. The Kuril Islands and their affiliation have nothing to do with it.

well .. everyone loves us ... the entire Japanese fleet against China, p. Korea and Iran ...

[Runway]

The japa coastline is only 10000 km smaller than ours. So you should "smear" the case on it.
But nevertheless, the "shipping company" is serious. And in conjunction with Yuzhkors, Viets and other Southeast Asian people who are dissatisfied with Beijing, they will be able to beat the dishes in the Chinese shop.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

strains the composition of the japanese navy?

You take it high. The fleet of South Korea already surpasses the Pacific Fleet by several heads. 16 submarines, 9 destroyers (3 of them are referred to as cruisers by some), 17 frigates, 32 corvettes. On the way there are 3 more destroyers / cruisers, several submarines, and a light aircraft carrier is planned.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Japanese Navy. In general, they do not exchange for trifles, destroyers are the most massive type of ships.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Indeed, we need a strong fleet quantitatively in all directions, so we are inferior to Italy ... if Russia were as small as Japan or Italy, then the number of the fleet would be equal.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

At least Ynovskuyu? ... judging by the latest events in Iraq, the ancient Iranian Scads are not intercepted ... so the question is rhetorical

[Your stranger]

9 destroyers Uro, 30 destroyers plo, 20 submarines, 4 helicopter carriers,
Plus the fleet of Korea, plus the fleet of the United States and Taiwan, plus their coastal airfields, make the fleets of China and the Russian Federation coastal forces

[tralflot1832]

None of the coastal fleet under a vigorous umbrella. Do you ever confuse us with the land, with inflatable poaching boats?

[Greenwood]

The Russian Federation will not dare to use nuclear weapons in the event of non-nuclear combat operations by the enemy. In my opinion, this is obvious. Moreover, the same thing happened in Soviet times, therefore, in addition to nuclear weapons, the Soviet industry was actively saturating the army with non-nuclear weapons.

[tralflot1832]

Reread the Russian defense doctrine carefully, the Japanese have reread it, so they have only words!

[Greenwood]

Quote: tralflot1832

Defense doctrine of Russia

Wars very often are not fought according to the textbook. The reality in general is sometimes very different from the instructions.

[tralflot1832]

These four islands are strategically important for TF, so let it be said for now that a second Fujiyama might happen. The crust of the earth is not so constant in the region of Japan.

[Greenwood]

Quote: tralflot1832

not for the sake of a second Fujiyama can happen.

Fujiyama is a mountain in Yamanashi Prefecture. Why TM has another mountain, they already have a third of the country of mountains.

Quote: tralflot1832

The earth's crust is so inconsistent in the region of Japan

Before threatening Japan with shifts of the earth's crust, think about how this threatens the Russian Primorsky Territory, Sakhalin, China, both Koreas and the entire water area of ​​the Sea of ​​Japan. They are very close to Japan. Or are you ready to sacrifice the population of all the listed regions ?!

[tralflot1832]

Both Fujiyama and Fukushima are still Japanese. Although, if they had Occupied 0 fall of 45 Hokkaido, then maybe Sapporozhia still existed. I called them that from the road in Karelia.

[Avior]

In the doctrine, there are only two options for the use of nuclear weapons - either about to launch a nuclear strike, or in the event of a threat to the existence of a state
Because of the Kuriles, Russia will not collapse, so you can forget about nuclear weapons in such a conflict

[tralflot1832]

On the territory of Japan are foreign troops with nuclear weapons? As I understand it for you, no! The Russian General Staff thinks differently.

[Avior]

Even if they exist, but are not applied, the doctrine does not provide for the use of nuclear weapons in this case.

[Jacket in stock]

Nominally, the ships seem to be Japanese.
But they are integrated into the American missile defense system.
Those. de facto these are American ships, but with a Japanese crew and for Japanese money.
The Yankees are well settled, well done.

[1536]

The question is, who needs war again? Who is striving for world domination again? Who is once again playing off peoples, talking about the "exclusiveness" and the special position of some over others? As they say, look for who benefits from it. The fact remains that it is definitely not profitable for ordinary people.
The Japanese have forgotten how the Americans dropped atomic bombs on them and how many Japanese then died of leukemia, how they were deprived of their rights for many years after the war, how many troubles and suffering that war brought them. Is it profitable for the Japanese to be at war again? Or is it a people who hopes that the next war will be victorious for them? In this case, the Japanese must be put in their place, reminded and shown what they will receive as a result of such aspirations, if they can preserve themselves as a people at all.

[Greenwood]

Quote: 1536

The Japanese have forgotten

The Japanese know everything and remember everything, do not fantasize. There is a planned upgrade of weapons. You will not say that when the Russian Federation adopts new equipment, it "shows the aggressive plans of the Russian Federation to seize world domination." Why are the Japanese worse?

Quote: 1536

In this case, the Japanese must be put in their place, reminded and shown what they will receive as a result of such aspirations, if they can preserve themselves as a people at all.

Wah, how much pathos. And all because of some kind of destroyer?

[Niko]

The fleet is built calmly, thoughtfully, purposefully, and in a balanced manner. Each ship is tailored to specific tasks.

[Your stranger]

Can not argue,
4 helicopter carriers and the fleet can be divided into 4 groups,
I wonder how many groups of ships there are in the Russian Federation on the Pacific Ocean

[tralflot1832]

Yesterday we discussed it, but today they were shaken. The tsunami threat was canceled, this time. There were few defenders of Japan on the site, yesterday.