The Il-103 aircraft will begin to be produced under license in Hungary - European bureaucrats in Brussels "frown"

The Ilyushin Aviation Complex, which is part of the United Aircraft Corporation, and the Hungarian company Aviation Engineering signed a contract yesterday, according to which the Russian Il-103 aircraft will begin to be produced under license in Hungary. The agreement also provides for the right of the Hungarian side to modernize the aircraft.

This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation.

The agreement provides for joint Russian-Hungarian development of a modified Il-103 light multipurpose aircraft in the city of Pecs (Hungary).

The improved Il-103 will be a new version of the Russian single-engine, four-seater piston-engine aircraft previously produced in Russia. The aircraft will have improved aerodynamic properties, a spacious superior cabin, and modern avionics. In addition, he will receive a more advanced engine. The big advantage of the new model will be the ability to take off and land on short runways, including unpaved ones, and operate in any climatic conditions. To store such an aircraft, the use of a hangar will be optional.

The very fact of cooperation between the Russian Federation and Hungary in various fields (from medicine to nuclear energy) evokes an extremely negative reaction from European bureaucrats. For some reason, Brussels decided that only with his consent, the governments of the EU countries can contact Russia, because the independent (in this regard) policy of Budapest annoys its partners, "frowning" including after the news of the new contract ...

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[rocket757]

A trifle, but nice ...

[barclay]

Selected as the engine in the aircraft Continental IO-360which is a family of fuel-injected, air-cooled, opposed six-cylinder aircraft engines manufactured by Continental Motors in the United States of America , currently part of AVIC International since 2010. Continental IO-360 - https://ru.qaz.wiki/wiki/Continental_IO-360
No questions.
With its own engine, as always, "plug" ..

[rocket757]

Quote: barclay

With its own engine, as always, "plug" ..

Questions, just, are ... to the engine builder, ours, to the industrialists.
Songs about the unprofitability of the release of such and similar motors .... do not inspire, in any way.

[barclay]

Moreover, such a domestic engine would most likely be very suitable for a UAV. In what we are also in the role of catch-up.

[mvg]

In what we are also in the role of catch-up.

It is unpatriotic to ask, what are we ahead of the rest of the world?

[Martian]

In the tsar's tales about the wonderful future of the people in Russia ... in the next millennium ..

[sleeve]

In the number of realist chatterboxes and all-footed people. Here we have no equal for 200 years already, starting with the decembrist landlords who climbed in. Here we have a centuries-old expanse.

[sleeve]

Decembrists "snickering".

[serguchcho]

Quote: mvg

It is unpatriotic to ask, what are we ahead of the rest of the world?

It's just silly to ask this. Atom, icebreakers, polymers, it takes a long time to enumerate, and even shingles, in the end) You just need to want to, open your eyes and see. But you do not seem to need this.

[mvg]

Atom, icebreakers, polymers, long list

Why don't you like the American, French or Japanese atom? China can, Israel ..
Icebreakers are needed only by us and the Norwegians .. in shipbuilding we are VERY far behind, and not only from Japan, Korea and China. If necessary, the PRC will build a pack of icebreakers in a five-year period. But they do not have the NSR, with a scanty cargo turnover.
What polymers? The ones that we bought from Japan before the sanctions? And after that you redesigned the MS-21 wing? And the fact that we began to receive the first polymers in aircraft construction when we were designing the Su-37 ..
PS: What escho?

[rocket757]

Quote: mvg

Why don't you like the American, French or Japanese atom?

At the expense of nuclear technology .... to recycle waste at. power plants, to use them in business, others simply DO NOT WANT or still DO NOT KNOW ??? Is it we, from our "natural greed", use the RAW MATERIALS, which others consider WASTE, from our immeasurable wealth?
Do you have an ANSWER to this question?
Not for the power of the present ... for the sake of justice! I can give other examples and PROVE that this is so.

[mvg]

to recycle waste at. power plants, use them in business, others simply DO NOT WANT or still DO NOT KNOW

Industrial reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel is carried out in three countries - Russia, France, Great Britain.
https://ria.ru/20170621/1496987193.html
France, Great Britain and Japan, among other countries, have gone the opposite way - the governments of these countries perceive spent nuclear fuel as a valuable asset, and not just waste requiring disposal
https://hightech.fm/2019/10/21/nuclear-second

give other examples and PROVE that this is so.

Try .. all in attention

[rocket757]

“In France, a country with an advanced nuclear industry, uranium is enriched by reducing the 235U content in the feedstock from 0,71% to 0,24%. It is not economically profitable for them to reduce more strongly. The depleted product is transported to Russia, where the concentration of 235U is more than halved, and this is economically beneficial for us.

Profitable / not profitable ... DO NOT DO, the question is removed.
BRITAIN ... not a word, not a hint, NOTHING, except for the phrase that they somehow process, store ... THE QUESTION IS REMOVED
JAPAN .... THE QUESTION IS REMOVED, they are successfully BURNING their nuclear power industry!

Industrial reprocessing of spent nuclear fuel is carried out in three countries - Russia, France, Great Britain.

Plants for the solidification of long-lived intermediate level waste, mainly plutonium-containing, for which cementing, as, for example, is done by our colleagues in the UK, is not optimal.

About France, Japan, of course. About Britain ... NOTHING, except for cementing, i.e. burial ... EXTRACT.
Whom and what can you give as an example? OUR PROCESSES WITH A HIGH DEGREE OF EFFICIENCY OR DON'T BELIEVE? then take you there; https://www.e1.ru/text/health/2019/12/06/66387778/comments/57472753/
Sawers will be your hero.

[sleeve]

Are we lagging behind in shipbuilding? Yeah ... Polymers. Well, already there, but what was bygone has grown. Icebreakers and a narrow need. But this is a nuclear fleet with its own technologies. And the wing was still altered). Well, after that, in fact, not everything is bad, although you want it faster. But you have to be realistic. In addition, in the economy, there are a lot of such people at the helm of "we cannot", "unavailable", "everything is lost." Something the same leaves a kind of imprint.)

[mvg]

Are we lagging behind in shipbuilding? Yeah ..

Always lagged behind. and now even more so .. Both in terms of tonnage (tenfold) and technologies.

But the wing was still altered)

No escho ... only promise in 2021.
https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=543338&lang=RU

[sleeve]

"For the first time Russia entered the top three leaders in shipbuilding volumes"
https://portnews.ru/news/303269/
They will "discourage" ... They will finish it and fly. The material is there, the construct is redone The assembly of the dynamic model is completed. So they will also test the PD-14 with a trailer. Long? Certainly a long time for a "zero" model with little or no groundwork.

[rocket757]

Shozh you forgot about engines with a deflected thrust vector ??? This is an ARGUMENT, no one has ever learned to do such a full-fledged one.

[mvg]

Shozh you forgot about engines with a deflected thrust vector ??? This is an ARGUMENT, no one has ever learned to do such a full-fledged one.

Yes Yes. F-22 1990, with OBT, Japanese ATD-X with a deflected vector (not F414 Engei, but its own engine from Mitsubishi) posted a photo yesterday or the day before yesterday on VO FieryKotik, WS-15 announced in 2015, will you find the photo on the internet yourself? On VO, too, was with a photo ... from this year in the series. Have you forgotten about verticals too?
PS: Usbagoyte, there is no technology in today's Russia that could not be replicated in the world. Another thing is, Why repeat those who have no analogs in the world Poseidons, Petrels, Vanguards, etc.

[rocket757]

Quote: mvg

Another thing, why repeat

I don’t argue about the Japanese, I didn’t look at the Yankees F22, up, down, WRONG, F35 engine floor turns down, WRONG.
They do it in a different way, but they do not have such as ours.
It can be said in another way, ours do not do like the Yankees .... but, Mig did an experimental model with a flat nozzle, Yak made a vertical with a rotatable nozzle ... LONG IT WAS.
Well, what else do you suggest?

[mvg]

Well, what else do you suggest?

We are not the first, we are not technological leaders ... even in this area.

https://vk.com/@sofa_expert-ovt

I would prefer a new radar with AFAR in serial production, comparable to the APG-81, a service life like SNECMA of 8000 hours, and avionics like the latest RAPHAL
PS: And so that the rivets on the Su-57 glider are not visible.

[sleeve]

Vooot. This is where the problem is. "Repeat".
https://topcor.ru/18625-raskryta-sut-masshtabnyh-problem-s-dvigateljami-f-35.html это про движок F-35 (не удержусь от цитаты:"В итоге получилось, что эксплуатационные расходы проблемного самолета составляют $31 тыс. в час, по сравнению с $7,7 тыс. в час полностью боеготового F-16.")
As for the F-22, "repetition of technology." Pay close attention to the characteristics of the P&W F119 has the honor of being adjustable only in the vertical circuit, and the problems with the "nozzles" and "blades" again turned out to be expensive, but on the AL-41 there ... Well, in short, read it, you will be interested. That is to say, simple and cheap. And I never heard of the Japanese at all. Did you fly straight? I heard that they are already cutting another, NGF of some kind, and the one you mentioned remains OCD.

[mvg]

and the one you mentioned remains OCD

They had no intention of making a combat aircraft. There was already a contract for the F-35, for 100+ units. It was originally a technology demonstrator. After the first, after the Second World War, a completely own transport worker, they made Shin-shin. Glider, avionics, engine (the first stage was F414).

The P&W F119 has the honor of being only vertically adjustable

I threw off the special link. The engine with an all-aspect OVT was tested on the F-15 and F-16, while even then it surpassed the AL-41F1 in the angle of the nozzle rotation (16 degrees and 60 degrees) and the rate of rotation. And even then this dregs were recognized as hopeless. The AIM-9x is an all-aspect melee missile, whatever one may say, dogfight, you cannot dodge it. At an air show, you can show anything, it's not in combat. The pilot will be busy piloting the plane, not air combat.
PS: What else can the aircraft industry boast of in the Russian Federation, in front of the West? 1.5 new engines in 30 ++ years? The AFAR was never mastered, there is no element base, there is no aiming container, there are almost no high-precision ammunition. They are still bombarded with cast iron, positioning how exactly it falls on the bearded without air defense

[Dread]

Quote: mvg

AFAR has not been mastered, there is no element base

mvg - if you not a specialistthen do not write your outright lie... BRLS N036 "Belka" Su-57 with AFAR, is gradually coming into service.
mvg - AFAR - you have not mastered this in your country and cannot master it without technology, judging by your fairy tales!
And don't confuse radio signals with video signals - strategist!

[mvg]

BRLS N036 "Belka" Su-57 with AFAR and is gradually coming into service.

Seriously?? There is only one serial Su-57 in the country since 2010, and that one is in the training center. Did it come to your mail that Belka is on it? H-036 went into production?
Delirium you carry, passing off whatever is real.

gradually entering service

How many pieces were gradually delivered, to which units, to which aircraft? uryakalka

[sleeve]

Dear, who are you? And where do you come from? The fact that you are not related to local news of the "middle hand" is for sure. The data you use has a "latency" of 2 to 4 years. Are you trying to systematize the "fresh turnover" of news on engines and the Su-57 itself?

[barclay]

Quote: mvg

and in what we are ahead of the whole planet?

They say in vaccines and ballet. At the expense of hypersonic missiles - I do not know, I have not seen. Anyway, few people saw it ...

[mvg]

They say in vaccines and ballet.

I agree for the ballet, although, unfortunately, it does not belong to elite technologies. Like football RPL.

[rocket757]

So the Yankees are seriously so frightening that we ALREADY have super-duper rockets! Or are the uncles from the Pentagon no longer trusted?

[rocket757]

About that and speech! For a good product, there is demand ...
We have brakes for many products precisely because we ourselves do not make our own, which is necessary.
It is clear that he did not immediately create, destroyed, lost, but the need did not even appear the day before yesterday !!!

[AML]

Quote: rocket757

Quote: barclay

With its own engine, as always, "plug" ..

Questions, just, are ... to the engine builder, ours, to the industrialists.
Songs about the unprofitability of the release of such and similar motors .... do not inspire, in any way.

The questions are more about European legislation, which will issue a license for the Russian engine. And the reason? As they say, there would be vodka, but there is a reason.

[rocket757]

Not in the subject, but judging by the statements of PD14, it is being certified and will be recognized, admitted ...
Yes, we have friends there, NO admirers, but not to accept a product that meets all the rules, specifications and other things, how can they?
And so, on the topic, rigidity in defending the interests of our manufacturers must be shown. This has long been understood.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

You really need to look at things and calculate everything.

Building an engine for an aircraft is a very difficult and costly undertaking, and in order for all this to be repulsed, the series of such aircraft must be large.

The demand for such aircraft in Russia is scanty, and if the costs of developing the IL-103 are added to the costs of developing the engine for it, then the probability of recoupment of such a project will be very small.

For the Zhiguli we cannot make new engines and an automatic transmission, but you want your own engine for an airplane, which God forbid, 100 units per year will be made per year ?!

In the United States, the market for such aircraft is huge, they have access to all markets in the world, so they have the opportunity to develop such an engine and a guarantee of cost recovery. And we work in different conditions. It will be good if this Il-103 goes into production, even with a foreign engine to begin with, and then we will see.

[rocket757]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

You really need to look at things and calculate everything.

The reality is that when you are not doing anything, there is no need to talk about prospects.
Others also started some of their projects when the prospects were vague ... it is necessary to work both on the creation of worthy products, and on the fact that these products would become in demand in many places, and not just here.
And to "worry" that we need no more than a hundred planes, now let's better buy over the hill ... not about patriotism, but about the development of industries, high-tech industries and everything else.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

That's exactly what you need to think about development, and not just grab onto everything.

What's the use of pumping billions into the production of engines and then finding out that the production of these aircraft in a small series does not pay off? This will not be development, but a waste of resources.

Let while the IL-103 flies on an imported engine, ours will see its relevance and if there is a prospect, then they will make their own piston engine.

With the Tiger jeeps and the MC-21 aircraft, we also make, launch the product, look at its characteristics and relevance, and then eventually install our engine to remove dependence on foreign suppliers.

And if we wait only for Russian units for each product, then the production of everything in our country will be greatly delayed and will become more expensive.

We are doing the same with the Il-103.

Moreover, EVERYTHING is also done, Turkey also builds its UAVs and tanks and ships with a huge share of foreign components in order to build faster in the first place, and if they did it all themselves, they still would not have raised their Bayraktar into the sky, like everyone else. rest.

And in other countries as well, even in the United States.

[rocket757]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And in other countries as well, even in the United States.

Not all other countries are chopped off supplies at once, twice, at the click of a big uncle from striped ... Turkey was chopped off, they took up the engines, everything is logical, justified.
It is necessary to do, to do everything that is necessary !!! to approach the solution of issues wisely, to correct the mistakes made.
If you focus on imported and then ... bananas, for example, coffee ... it does not grow with us, but to make "paradise gardens, jungle" for cultivation, this is complete nonsense ... and MOTORS are never a mistake, it is a vital NECESSITY!

[Insurgent]

Quote: rocket757

A trifle, but nice ...

Yes, it is far from the level of interaction and cooperation of the CMEA period

And canned products of the legendary Hungarian brand "Globus", BUT ... made in the Russian Federation (Kuban) under the auspices of "Bonduelle"

[rocket757]

There was, there was a lot ... BUT, in addition to cooperation, everything needed was produced by ourselves, additional volumes were taken from outside !!! Our country is big, and we needed a lot of things when it was developing, building, moving forward.

[Insurgent]

Quote: rocket757

Our country is big, and we needed a lot of things when it was developing, building, moving forward.

And note, at the same time - not to the detriment of partners, in contrast to the currently dominant style in the EU of suppressing national producers.

[rocket757]

Quote: Insurgent

not to the detriment of partners

So this is not a secret, which the former successfully forget and are ready to roll out any complaints.
So now it will be, because we do not strictly focus on this, they do not take any actions ... all state interests have been overshadowed by the PERSONAL BENEFIT of rich Buratins.

[Real Pilot]

Initially, the commercial project of the European Union turned into a political one, while killing the economy.

The decline of this international interstate formation is approaching! And this is just one example, Great Britain understood everything a long time ago, and the first one left the bloc alone with its problems ...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: RealPilot

Initially, the commercial project of the European Union turned into a political one, while killing the economy ...

... countries of "newborn European democracies" for the benefit of old Europe. And no one actually promised manna from heaven, the contract must be read. Soon the war will begin - for most of these countries the period of “sitting on subsidies” ends and a new stage begins: debts must be paid. Taking into account the penetration of German banks into all spheres of life of these countries, it will not be possible to jump off, well ... with them

[Jolly Roger]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

well .. with them

Join.

[tralflot1832]

And when was it released here? It looks like if Brussels continues to continue, then everyone will scatter to their burrows, covid to help them.

[Reviews]

Quote: tralflot1832

And when was it released here?

Until the mid-XNUMXs, it was produced in Lukhovitsy. We did about fifty. Even in South Korea, they set up a few.

[tralflot1832]

Thank you, below I am from the available sources how many, where and for what.

[Pereira]

I'm glad for the Hungarians. Don't you need one for yourself? Or did the Russian bureaucrats turn out to be more terrible than the European bureaucrats?

[Cananecat]

Now the vaccine will slowly be followed by other contracts to conclude. ))

[Mouse]

while Brussels "frowns" ... Budapest has time to maneuver and he uses it ...

[Trapp1st]

The paradox of small aircraft in Russia is, but there is no small aircraft)

[Piramidon]

Quote: Trapp1st

The paradox of small aircraft in Russia is, but there is no small aircraft)

Try to go through the seven circles of bureaucratic hell to get a flight permit.

[Trapp1st]

Try to go through the seven circles of bureaucratic hell to get a flight permit.

This is exactly what I am talking about, for 15 years in my memory they are going to bring legislation for small aircraft into an adequate state.

[Klingon]

but the law on the use of micro-aviation (amateur camera drone) was very quickly adopted

[Kamchatsky]

Two years of hassle, tueva heck of dough - we fly quite legally, applications pass through the mobile. The only thing that does not work is the notification procedure of the IVP.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Kamchatka

Two years of hassle, tueva hucha dough - we fly quite legally

I am sincerely happy for you. Well done, we made our way. Apparently you have very strong nerves (I do not exclude some kind of support in high offices) and there is no special tension with the dough.

The only thing that does not work is the notification procedure of the IVP.

Guys, well, you are already completely dreaming and "lost your insolence"

[evgen1221]

Well, how have we learned how to draw up contracts effectively, and after the end of the contract, the IL brand will not be transferred to the Hungarians and the EU ???

[alex aircraft]

Where and when was silt 103 mass-produced ?? it turns out we do not need small aircraft? And why do we give Magyars jobs, and not our own? Although what kind of logic can these have ....

[Piramidon]

Quote: Alex aircraft

Where and when was silt 103 mass-produced ??

The aircraft was put into serial production at the Lukhovitsk Machine-Building Plant.

Why do we give Magyars jobs and not our own?

The whole problem is in the engine. The aircraft was originally designed for the American-made IO-36ES engine. The Yankes will sell it to the Hungarians, and the sanctions to us, the figs, however. So IL somehow has to get out. There will be its own engine and demand - no one will interfere with returning to production.

[Reviews]

Quote: Piramidon

Quote: Alex aircraft

Where and when was silt 103 mass-produced ??

The aircraft was put into serial production at the Lukhovitsk Machine-Building Plant.

Why do we give Magyars jobs and not our own?

The whole problem is in the engine. The aircraft was originally designed for the American-made IO-36ES engine. The Yankes will sell it to the Hungarians, and the sanctions to us, the figs, however. So IL somehow has to get out. There will be its own engine and demand - no one will interfere with returning to production.

The solution suggests itself with a decrease in the number of cylinders on the RED-03. But our Il-103 will not go to the people: such a baby is not interesting to the design bureau. They have one final signature on the document on the extension of the service life of the Il-76, which costs more than one Il-103. There they are happy to give not only production, but also the most interesting thing - the ability to independently develop new modifications. With the right approach, this provides decades of orders.

[Your stranger]

Why will the Hungarians of the USA get the engine on a Russian plane?

[2 Level Advisor]

who exactly and where, and especially why "frowns" from the article is not seen .. new production and jobs, technologies for Europe, engines again from the United States, what is there to "frown?"

[V.I.P.]

I would like to clarify with the author who writes with such enthusiasm about this contract.
When was this aircraft developed? How many pieces were produced in the Russian Federation? Why did they stop producing? Where were these planes sold (if sold)? ....... This is more interesting to me ... And it seems like a video recorder was invented in the USSR, but the whole world used it and earned money, except for the USSR

[Reviews]

Quote: V.I.P.

How many pieces were produced in the Russian Federation?

About fifty.

Where were these planes sold (if sold)?

Avialesokhrana, private hands, South Korea ...

[iouris]

It is clear why: the engine and equipment are purchased for foreign currency.
Just as they did not know how to make an engine and a compressor, they did not learn. What they had brought to the handle and abandoned in Ukraine.

[tralflot1832]

While professionals are working on the country's defense. The first flight was 1994. 66 units were produced, 23 of which are operated by the South Korean Air Force as training units. The price is from 150 to 200 thousand dollars.

[Your stranger]

And with what engine if the United States imposed sanctions?

[Bulair]

For some reason, Brussels decided that only with his consent the governments of the EU countries can contact Russia, because the independent (in this regard) policy of Budapest annoys its partners, "frowning" including after the news of the new contract ...

... Well, give at least a link, where and who "frowns"?

[Pavel57]

Quote: mvg

Why don't you like the American, French or Japanese atom?

1. More expensive. 2. Lagged 15 years behind Fukushima as an example.

[Pavel57]

Quote: V.I.P.

I would like to clarify with the author who writes with such enthusiasm about this contract.
When was this aircraft developed? How many pieces were produced in the Russian Federation? Why did they stop producing? Where were these planes sold (if sold)? ....... This is more interesting to me ... And it seems like a video recorder was invented in the USSR, but the whole world used it and earned money, except for the USSR

And, you were banned in Google -
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%BB-103

Produced in Lukhovitsy.

[Growlers]

"Eurobureaucrats" as it is modestly said. In fact, this is a caste through which American business runs Europe, no more and no less.