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And is that "Neptune" so terrible?

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Okay, not an ordinary rocket. Anti-ship, let's say. Created in Ukraine by the brains of Ukrainian designers and assembled by the hands of Ukrainian workers. The sword of Ukraine in the fight against those wishing to encroach on the banks of the Square.



Who can (and simply must do it) is understandable. Russia. As if there was no one else, the queue of those wishing to enslave Ukraine did not line up, no matter how there some wanted it.

However, there is a "new" anti-ship missile, which means, as was proudly announced in many Ukrainian media, "There is currently no countermeasure to these missiles, which, naturally, will make Russia nervous."

It will make you nervous, or, as another publication wrote, "Russia is already freaking out."

In fact, we must first figure out whether there is something to freak out about this very Russia.

It is clear that the Ukrainians themselves, who are in the know, are proud to the impossibility of the mere thought that they now have "Neptune".

“There is no opposition to this missile today. So, the Ukrainian army has a truly unique thing, which, by the way, is also of interest to the United States. The rocket flies above the water at an altitude of 3-300 m, that is, no one sees it, it is practically noiseless, it has a subsonic speed. Tests have shown that the accuracy of its hit is quite high, up to several meters. "

This is a retired colonel, and now a military expert, Oleg Zhdanov.

One gets the impression that the other countries have missiles flying at an altitude of a kilometer and with the roar of a train. And about the uniqueness ...

What is Neptune?

And is that "Neptune" so terrible?

In fact, this is just the R-360 rocket, created on the basis of the Soviet X-35 rocket, individual parts and components were produced in the Ukrainian SSR. Yes, Neptune has a slightly longer range and (as expected) size. In addition, the rocket has a new control system, more modern, based on GPS.

The X-35 cannot be called new, no matter how hard you try. Development and testing went from 1977 to 1987. It was only in 1988 that the rocket finally began to fly as planned. In the new Russia, the development of the rocket was very delayed, since there was no time for the rocket. But in 2003, the X-35 was adopted as part of the Uran ship complex, and in 2004 as part of the Bal ground complex.

Interestingly, foreign (American) sources are quite critical of the Kh-35, noting as a shortcoming the narrow specialization of the missile as an anti-ship missile, subsonic speed in the air defense breakthrough area and not very long range, which requires the ship to enter the possible zone of operation of the enemy's anti-missile defense.

And the subsonic speed of the missile increases the likelihood of its interception by the anti-missile defense of the enemy's naval grouping.

But Ukrainian "experts" are behaving more than strangely, passing off as "overruns" what American experts consider the weak point of the Russian missile.

"If these complexes are deployed along our entire coast, the likelihood that it will abandon a naval military operation will increase to 90%: it simply cannot physically approach our coast and conduct an amphibious assault or offensive operation." - Oleg Zhdanov.

According to the expert, if the complexes with the "Neptuns" are placed along the coast of the Black and Azov Seas, Ukraine will be able to fully control the surface sea space almost 300 km from the coast.

Well, one cannot but agree with this. Indeed, if Ukraine can do this, then it is quite possible that with the help of Neptuns it will be able to try to "control territorial waters, protect naval bases, coastal facilities and coastal infrastructure, as well as resist the landing of enemy amphibious assault forces." ...

Considering that the Kh-35 was intended to destroy ships with a displacement of up to 5 tons, the Neptune, whose warhead mass is only 000 kg more than that of the Kh-5, will play in the same weight category.

And how many such complexes will Ukraine receive for the defense of its shores? By the way, there is a lot here ...

We look at the facts.

On August 23, 2020, by the decree of the Minister of Defense of Ukraine, the Neptune missile system was put into service.

On October 20, 2020, Defense Minister Andrei Taran announced "the redistribution of funds in order to purchase one Neptune division in the near future, by the end of 2020."

That is, the complex was adopted, as if not having it "in nature." It happens, it happens.

On March 15, 2021, prototypes of the RK-360MTS "Neptune" complex were handed over to the Ukrainian naval forces.

It should be emphasized very boldly what exactly prototypes... Not serial samples, but prototypes for testing.

On the one hand, the haste is understandable: something urgently needs to be opposed to Russia, which is about to start some landing operations on the Ukrainian shores.

But what is one division? These are six launchers of four missiles. Honestly, a little. And this is all that the Naval Forces of Ukraine can get in 2021 in the best possible scenario.

True, the new Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Navy, Rear Admiral Andrey Neizhpapa, is somewhat more optimistic.

“Next year we will form three divisions that will be armed with this complex. We plan to deploy these divisions in the southern regions of Ukraine, which have access to the Black and Azov seas.

Moreover, immediately after their installation, we plan to put on alert one of the batteries of the Neptune complex, which will begin to perform tasks as intended. "


We disassemble.

Forming THREE divisions is, frankly, beautiful plans. Three divisions are still 18 complexes that can really be scattered along the entire coast, more or less ensuring the protection of the coast from the alleged invasion.

However, the formation of these divisions does not mean at all that they will immediately begin to guard and protect. This will be done by ONE battery, which Neizhpapa promises to put on alert.

Why one? Yes, no more yet, and not particularly foreseen. And, as I understand it, the very installation with which President Poroshenko was actively photographed will be put on alert. And the formed divisions will be trained with practice on this very installation.


At this time, the Ukrainian military-industrial complex may start producing the remaining 17 complexes. Why "Possibly"? Because the money. In order to build the first complex, it was necessary to redirect financial flows at the level of the Verkhovna Rada. Where the Ukrainians will continue to look for funds - this, in fact, does not really worry us. If they want, they will find it, of course. As a last resort, you know who will borrow it. Now they have certain perspectives in this regard, the Biden family, which has been deeply involved in Ukrainian affairs, will not let them die under the thumb of Russian aggression.

Unfortunately, not everyone in Ukraine understands the true state of affairs and lives in a warm and rosy atmosphere of peremogy.

“Russia is already freaking out. If these complexes are deployed along our entire coast, the likelihood that she will abandon a naval military operation will increase to 90%: she simply cannot physically approach our coast and conduct an amphibious assault or offensive operation. "

This is again the "expert" Zhdanov. The former colonel again, like many others like him, thinks in the categories of the Second World War, when the landing operations took place exactly like this: artillery preparation (at best) and enemy ships in clear rows with the landing force to the shore. And the valiant Ukrainian missilemen shoot them as if in a shooting range.


No, Mr. Zhdanov, alas. This will not happen. As much as it would be desirable, but in Russia they know how to think with their heads. Therefore, instead of ships with landing forces, first there will be airplanes with cruise missiles such as the same Kh-35 (or worse) or Iskander. The latter - without planes, will fly by themselves.

Considering the not quite vigorous state of the Ukrainian air defense system, then, most likely, "Neptuns" in such conditions simply will not survive until the moment when Russian ships go to land troops.

Therefore, of course, we, together with Ukrainian experts, can be glad that Ukraine was able to master the production of the latest anti-ship missile. This is, of course, good.

The bad news is that it is not that modern, this rocket. The prototype began to be developed almost half a century ago, the subsonic rocket (and the whole world is switching to hypersonic), will be produced in single copies ...

In general, it is perhaps too early for Russia to freak out over Neptune. In order for the coast of Ukraine to feel calm, anti-ship missiles should also be supplemented with air defense systems for their protection and Aviation behind the back.

That is, there is more than enough work for the next 50-60 years.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 19 March 2021 04: 01
    +5
    Anti-ship, let's say.
    It's funny, yes. But it is still unique, because people are already interested in her in the "b-go-to-go"!
    1. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 19 March 2021 05: 02
      +7
      An analogue of the Harpoon. Manufactured in the States since 1975. And half a century has not passed!
      1. AUL
        AUL 19 March 2021 07: 03
        +25
        What a masochist one has to be, so that, having quite a considerable land border, for some reason land amphibious assault forces on the coast of a "conditional enemy"! Or did they make their own Poseidon for Schaub Boulo?
        1. mojohed2012
          mojohed2012 19 March 2021 14: 48
          +2
          Then, that they began to do it even under Poroshenko, during which there was an incident with boats (oh Ships) of the Naval Forces of Ukraine in the Kerch Strait. But if there were all these complexes, the Russians would not have dared not to let their ships into the strait up to Azov.
          Then the offense played and decided so decided! Petya was personally psychotic.
          And they began to tinker-design this complex on an initiative basis from the very beginning.
          1. hirurg
            hirurg 19 March 2021 23: 32
            +1
            Neprun however.
            Like the Hammer, your fighters are a hard place in the head.
            Let's see.))
        2. dranthqu
          dranthqu April 25 2021 20: 54
          0
          It is not necessary to plant - it is enough to threaten. As a result, the threat of a battalion or two landing for Ukraine in the event of hostilities will result in the need to divert forces and resources to protect an additional 500-700 km. This is about half of the land border. In addition, on the same coast, Ukraine will have to keep additional air defense / missile defense to repel the same Caliber and Su-24/34. As a result, with relatively small forces, Russia can create a threat in a significant area so that Ukraine will have to divert significant forces and assets from the land border. And this is by the forces of 2-3 battalions, which in general can simply sit in the Crimea in readiness, and a couple of dozen bombers, which will only need to occasionally harass the enemy without entering the air defense zone.
      2. Kazarinovsergen
        Kazarinovsergen 19 March 2021 22: 39
        0
        Harpoon-class missile, but a clone (analogue) of another missile - Kh-35 (-U)
  2. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 19 March 2021 04: 33
    +4
    Why rockets? We must wait for an attack from the north, so it will be more efficient to build a high concrete fence along the entire border.
    1. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 19 March 2021 04: 52
      +24
      So Yatsenyuk has already built a wall of chain-link! Boars really break through it, but it will definitely stop the tanks! laughing
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 19 March 2021 05: 14
        +15
        So it is for another. KRs fly at a height of 15 meters, a fence with a height of 16. Only a meter and once everyone was caught.
        Or the planes, to take into account the radar invisibility zone, dropped, and then the fence
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 19 March 2021 04: 54
      +2
      In general, it is perhaps too early for Russia to freak out over Neptune.

      It is Ukraine that freaks out, repeating to everyone that it is Russia that "crawls under her skirt." In fact, it has long been clear who actually turns the Ukrainian head.
      The Americans often sent them to the saloon and hackneyed, and she, like in an old joke:
      - Marusya! You should be cheering!
      - So what, I have eyes behind?
      ==========
      Wait for guests from the sea, together with a goldfish ... lol
    3. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 19 March 2021 05: 05
      0
      Quote: Pessimist22
      We must wait for an attack from the north, so it will be more efficient to build a high concrete fence along the entire border
      Just making it in the form of a trench and at the same time not concreting, and cheap and environmentally friendly - in the European way!
    4. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 19 March 2021 19: 38
      -18%
      Quote: Pessimist22
      Why rockets? We must wait for an attack from the north, so it will be more efficient to build a high concrete fence along the entire border.

      The Russian will fly aboard the ship, the Muscovites will laugh, and in fact, her mother is a working rocket wink
      1. nikodeus
        nikodeus 31 March 2021 16: 57
        0
        Let it fly first, because the fact that it is a worker has great doubts.
    5. Dilettante grandfather
      Dilettante grandfather 21 March 2021 18: 44
      0
      The fence, that's not it. By all the rules of the art of war, you must first dig a ditch. Five meters to seven in depth. Fill with water, or better connect with the river. But behind the moat - to build a fence. Preferably - with watchtowers and loopholes. laughing
  3. Odysseus
    Odysseus 19 March 2021 04: 55
    -4
    In general, everything is true. PR "Neptunov" is ridiculous. But there are two drawbacks to the article.
    1) It is unclear how this differs from the same PR in the Russian Federation. Type of Armata, Boomerang, Su-57, etc. Is that the Russian Federation smoke from the chimney is stronger because it got most of the assets of the former USSR.
    2) The author goes on about the provocations of the Maidan Ukrainians as the norm for those who perceive the war between Ukraine and Russia. Aircraft from the CD, Iskander, can still offer nuclear weapons to hit them?
    Of course, a military man should think about all the options, but using it for empty bravado and bragging in this case is somehow wrong.
    1. Flamberg
      Flamberg 19 March 2021 05: 44
      +33
      It is unclear how this differs from the same PR in the Russian Federation, such as the Armata, Boomerang, Su-57, etc.

      The difference is that Boomerang is not a repainted BTR-80, Armata is not a repainted T-72, and a Su-57 is not a repainted SU-27, etc. Do not confuse really new, promising platforms and a repainted old rocket.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 19 March 2021 06: 19
        -5
        Quote: Flamberg
        The difference is that Boomerang is not a repainted BTR-80, Armata is not a repainted T-72, and a Su-57 is not a repainted SU-27, etc. Do not confuse really new, promising platforms and a repainted old rocket.

        I agree, that's just not Armata, not Boomerang in the troops. And su-57 is 1 (one) in the training center. But PR about them over the past 10 years has been a fantastic amount.
        Which is absolutely identical to the Ukrainian PR on Neptune. Moreover, it is just beginning for them. Another 10 years ahead. smile
        1. nikodeus
          nikodeus 31 March 2021 16: 59
          0
          Only here Armata, Boomerang, and Su-57 will enter the troops sooner or later. But Neptune is unlikely.
    2. Kalmar
      Kalmar 19 March 2021 11: 07
      +1
      Quote: Odyssey
      PR "Neptuns" laughing
      ...
      The author goes on about the provocations of Maidan Ukrainians as the norm of those who perceive the war between Ukraine and Russia.

      PR is like PR: they made a rocket - now we need to advertise so that they can buy. Well, the war with Russia is now a favorite mental exercise of the Ukrainian military. It's like we have a war with the United States, and the United States has a war with China, and so on. Marketing is the same plus or minus everywhere.
  4. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 19 March 2021 05: 02
    +6
    Funny.
    Twice funny.
    And for the Ukrainian optimists.
    And for the author of this opus.
  5. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 19 March 2021 05: 04
    -4
    Those. we have only one hope that the valiant Bandera missilemen will not be given money.
    And if they give?
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 19 March 2021 05: 28
      +10
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And if they give?

      Only if these. But these are just given for money.
    2. Looking for
      Looking for 19 March 2021 15: 58
      +1
      Ukraine is a country of thieves. So if they give them, they will immediately be plundered.
  6. Maks1995
    Maks1995 19 March 2021 08: 57
    +8
    Yes. Another boring khokhlosliv. Many words, few analysts
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 19 March 2021 09: 16
    +6
    Of course, it's scary for the Russian Federation ... anti-ship missiles aimed at the naval base in the Black Sea ...
    In general, the Russian Federation is negligent about the production potential of Ukraine .... you need to remove the key figures there. Designers, engineers ... (persuading, recruiting including)
  8. Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 March 2021 09: 26
    +9
    Harpoon, Uranus, Neptune - rockets of the same class. You can argue endlessly which is really better. moreover, the quality of the missile is most likely where it is impossible for non-specialists to evaluate it - at the level of jamming immunity of the RGS.

    If a salvo of 8 missiles for a duel between ships is considered serious, namely 8 X-35 missiles are carried by part of our ships, then a salvo of 24 missiles is more than serious. and not every ship's air defense will be able to parry such a blow.
    So we must take such threats seriously, even if they look unrealistic today.
  9. donavi49
    donavi49 19 March 2021 09: 30
    +15
    Considering that the Kh-35 was intended to destroy ships with a displacement of up to 5 tons, the Neptune, whose warhead mass is only 000 kg more than that of the Kh-5, will play in the same weight category.


    I am always happy when they write warheads - they say the cruiser is not afraid wink laughing ... This is not the 00s, 10s, 20s, 30s, 40s of the last century, where ships had a free maneuvering zone, just according to the named type. That is, let's say an 8-inch armor-piercing projectile in such an area did not cause serious damage.

    Things are different now. And the X-35 / Harpoon / Exocet landing in a single cruiser will be very painful or even fatal. And the opposite is possible, which thread 22160 will survive it, if very lucky. For example, this was the case in the Falklands - when the hangar was raked up, the burning helicopter was dropped and got off with a slight fright.

    Let me remind you that Kerch with a displacement of 8565 tons was burned with underpants wassat :
    The blame for the fire on the ship lies with conscripts from BCH-5, who dried their clothes on a diesel generator. They went to bed, and the clothes were on fire.

    One engine burned out - led the hull, and the power elements = the ship was written off.

    Also, how much carelessness did it take to destroy one of the world's largest UDCs?


    The hit of even a small missile (less than X35), such as the Museum Penguin, will certainly cause extensive damage, withdrawal from the battle and lengthy repair or subsequent decommissioning of a modern ship.
    1. Romka47
      Romka47 19 March 2021 11: 40
      +5
      For example, this was the case in the Falklands - when the hangar was raked up, the burning helicopter was dropped and got off with a slight fright.
      I completely agree, I will allow myself to supplement your comment, in the same Falklands, the RCC in which warhead did not explode in general, she sank the destroyer Sheffield (the remnants of the rocket fuel were enough), and two unexploded aerial bombs made the frigate Argonaut completely incapacitated.
  10. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 19 March 2021 10: 13
    -5
    How can something that is not be dangerous?))) Except for the launcher)))
  11. iouris
    iouris 19 March 2021 10: 41
    -7
    Terrible or not, but it exists only to make an attempt to commit a terrorist attack (destruction of the bridge), so it must be destroyed.
  12. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 19 March 2021 11: 37
    +3
    This is all, of course, interesting, but the other day it was announced that the skakuas transferred to the troops 1 launcher and 4 layout of rockets... So when they will be able to deliver at least a battery with missiles, this is also a very big question. Although it can be admitted that training "with cats" is already possible.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 19 March 2021 13: 10
      +1
      At the expense of the unspecified number of combat missiles, I remembered a very old anecdote:
      "Does China have an atomic bomb?"
      - No - they blew it up!
      So it is here - they launched it wink
  13. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 19 March 2021 11: 52
    +5
    The X-35 cannot be called new, no matter how hard you try. Development and testing went from 1977 to 1987. It was only in 1988 that the rocket finally began to fly as planned. In the new Russia, the development of the rocket was very delayed, since there was no time for the rocket. But in 2003, the X-35 was adopted as part of the Uran ship complex, and in 2004 as part of the Bal ground complex.


    When the written "urya-urya" will praise the X-35 in the next article - God forbid them to remember these lines.
  14. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 19 March 2021 12: 37
    +3
    Someone will explain to me why Russia will climb across the sea, if there are practically no troops on the land border, so only visibility?
  15. Thorvlobnor IV
    Thorvlobnor IV 19 March 2021 13: 10
    0
    It is curious how the author proposes to slap Iskander launchers on mobile (!) Launchers without their previously known coordinates? Of course, you can detect the launch of the Neptuns and shmalnuyut in response, but the discharged launcher will not wait for the impact, standing still. And how this will help the attacked ships is not clear.
    It is also unclear about the X-35: how the anti-ship missile system with its active radar head will detect the land mobile complex, given that the X-35 launch vehicle must approach the coast, into the coastal air defense cover zone? PU "Neptunov" emits nothing, how is the author going to look for them? Target designation "Neptune" can receive from UAVs or patrol aircraft and helicopters, even if the complex's radars are destroyed by anti-radar missiles. In general, the author's optimism is clearly not supported by serious argumentation.
    1. Slon1978
      Slon1978 21 March 2021 10: 34
      0
      If we are talking about some hypothetical amphibious assault operation, then it cannot be unprepared and isolated - it can only be part of a larger operation, for example, to force Ukraine to peace. Amphibious assault, the meaning of which is incomprehensible to me with such a land border, but if we talk about it, it will be planned by the General Staff several steps ahead. First of all, it will be considered just the means of countering the landing, the means of countering the provision of the landing or its possible evacuation, where anti-ship missiles, strike aircraft and enemy air defense are priority targets - I think in this order of priority. Therefore, even before the landing begins, these means will be identified - by means of satellite reconnaissance, radio reconnaissance, agents in the General Staff and on the ground - and the most dangerous ones will be destroyed a few hours before the landing. Satellite reconnaissance is optimal for identifying the current position of the anti-ship missile battery. There is no dense taiga in Ukraine where you can hide, and the weather is clear and cloudless for a significant part of the year, which is favorable for satellite optical reconnaissance. The installations of the anti-ship missile system Neptune, although mobile, will not change positions every day, since this affects the state of the materiel and suitable terrain conditions are necessary for effective shooting. In the best case, there will be several prepared sites on which rotation duty will take place. Therefore, the positions of Neptune will be identified and, if changed, tracked. They can be destroyed with a volley of Caliber, Iskander or a UAV strike.
  16. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 19 March 2021 13: 36
    +2
    The bad news is that it is not that modern, this rocket.

    This is not bad. The bad news is that the outlying nats-boobies are stubbornly incited against us. Not that it is scary, but absolutely unpleasant and unsightly.
  17. Phoenix
    Phoenix 19 March 2021 14: 36
    +2
    So that the coast of Ukraine can feel calm

    ... you need to rethink your foreign policy and improve relations with your neighbors. Drive the Nazis out of your country and stop messing with the bear.
  18. Old26
    Old26 19 March 2021 15: 14
    +6
    Quote: Sahalinets
    An analogue of the Harpoon. Manufactured in the States since 1975. And half a century has not passed!

    And an analogue of our "Uranus", which in turn can be considered an analogue of "Harpoon". The truth has been produced only since the early 2000s.
    If we "renounce" the entire political background, then it is clear that the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, whether we like it or not, but gradually begins to "wake up". We really like to grumble about the Ukrainian military-industrial complex, but nevertheless, for the same Donbass and Lugansk, this will not be a reason to gag. For "Neptune" is positioned not only as an anti-ship missile, but also as a multifunctional missile, that is, capable of shooting at ground targets.

    Quote: stock buildbat
    This is all, of course, interesting, but the other day it was announced that the skakuas transferred to the troops 1 launcher and 4 layout of rockets... So when they will be able to deliver at least a battery with missiles, this is also a very big question. Although it can be admitted that training "with cats" is already possible.

    Of course, the mock-ups were initially handed over. The same is done with us. You have to learn from something. Not on combat missiles
    1. venik
      venik 19 March 2021 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      analogue of our "Uranus", which in turn can be considered an analogue of "Harpoon".

      ========
      Alas, namesake! If the Kh-35 "Uranus" can be considered an analogue of the "Harpoon", then the "Neptune" is not an analogue, but an ordinary clone Kh-35, though a little "shamanic". Find 10 differences:

      for reference - "Harpoon":


      What is the difference? Yes, the fact that "Uranus" was projected "In the image and likeness"American" Harpoon "(that is, it should have had similar mass-dimensional characteristics and performance characteristics). But" Neptune "is simple"pirate copy"X-35" Uranus ". Yes, yes - that's right! Exactly -" pirate "!
      In 2004 (even under Kuchma), when relations between the countries were quite friendly (at least at the official, government level), the idea of ​​a JOINT production of the X-35 with Ukraine arose. For acquaintance (in order to determine what exactly the Ukrainian side can undertake), to the Kiev NGO "Luch" (one of the few currently functioning instrumentation (namely, instrument-making - machine-building capacities were transferred to him later) from Ukrainian enterprises) a sample of the Kh-32 "Uranus" rocket was transferred. But then the first "Maidan" broke out and the American protege of Yushchenko came to power. And then he led a policy of screwing up relations with Russia (and above all in the military-technical sphere). The project (among many others) came under the knife and was closed ... But the rocket was NOT RETURNED! The specialists of Luch and other companies have been studying it for over 10 years! Some of them were copied, some were not! Then they turned to the "new friends" - the Americans. Well, they threw something "from the master's shoulder" (some nodes and components for outdated versions of "Harpoons"). And so the Ukrainian "wunderwaffe" was born!
      Now look at the performance characteristics:

      I think: Everything is clear to the Court!
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  20. venik
    venik 19 March 2021 17: 08
    +2
    "....In order for the coast of Ukraine to feel calm, anti-ship missiles should also be supplemented with air defense systems for their protection and aviation behind..... "
    =======
    Ah, Roman, Roman! In order to "the coast of Ukraine could feel calm", Ukraine needs not to add aviation and not air defense, but at least a bit of brains "authorities holding"!
  21. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 19 March 2021 17: 28
    +2
    How will this rocket search for targets beyond the radio horizon? And how will she distinguish between civilian and military ships? In order for her to shoot at 300 km, someone has to show her the goal. Some kind of boat 250 kilometers from the coast or an airplane.
  22. Scorpion85
    Scorpion85 19 March 2021 17: 57
    -2
    TOPVAR if you talk about the topic of Ukrainian Neptunes 3 times a week, then Neptune is scary
    Quote: engineer74
    At the expense of the unspecified number of combat missiles, I remembered a very old anecdote:
    "Does China have an atomic bomb?"
    - No - they blew it up!
    So it is here - they launched it wink

    The missiles have already been reported, I repeat: "" According to preliminary data, the division of the Neptune coastal anti-ship complex includes 6 USPU-360 launchers with 24 cruise missiles, and the corresponding number of transport-loading (TZM-360) and transport vehicles (TM -360). In total, one division is armed with 72 R-360 cruise missiles (4 anti-ship missiles on each of 6 vehicles - USPU-360, TZM-360 and TM-360). Thus, according to Leonid Shiman's statement, the production of at least 216 cruise missiles is planned. for the coastal version of the complex, which will equip three divisions of the RK-360MTs, which together number 24 launchers. Taking into account the full ammunition load at the storage bases, the number of ordered missiles may be several times greater. "
    1. Stepan S
      Stepan S 21 March 2021 01: 21
      +1
      the division of the coastal anti-ship complex "Neptune" includes 6 USPU-360 launchers with 24 cruise missiles,

      Nothing is included in the complex, since there is ONE launcher available. And all these dreams of hundreds of missiles are not about today's Ukraine.
  23. Scorpion85
    Scorpion85 19 March 2021 18: 06
    -3
    Quote: Herman 4223
    How will this rocket search for targets beyond the radio horizon? And how will she distinguish between civilian and military ships? In order for her to shoot at 300 km, someone has to show her the goal. Some kind of boat 250 kilometers from the coast or an airplane.

    Radar station "Mineral-U". The reconnaissance and target designation radar will strengthen the potential of the Neptune coastal anti-ship complex. Developed by the Ukrainian State Enterprise Research Institute of RS "Kvant-Radiolokatsiya". Created using new approaches and a new element base. The target detection radius of the Mineral-U radar should be 500-600 kilometers. Able to give target designation to means of destruction. The new technique uses active and passive channels.
    1. wow
      wow 19 March 2021 18: 24
      -1
      Those who could "develop" or "produce" something for a long time have either died of old age or were dumped with nezalezhnaya nafig!
  24. Scorpion85
    Scorpion85 19 March 2021 18: 21
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    Quote: venik
    Quote: Old26
    analogue of our "Uranus", which in turn can be considered an analogue of "Harpoon".

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    Alas, namesake! If the Kh-35 "Uranus" can be considered an analogue of the "Harpoon", then the "Neptune" is not an analogue, but an ordinary clone Kh-35, though a little "shamanic". Find 10 differences:

    for reference - "Harpoon":


    What is the difference? Yes, the fact that "Uranus" was projected "In the image and likeness"American" Harpoon "(that is, it should have had similar mass-dimensional characteristics and performance characteristics). But" Neptune "is simple"pirate copy"X-35" Uranus ". Yes, yes - that's right! Exactly -" pirate "!
    In 2004 (even under Kuchma), when relations between the countries were quite friendly (at least at the official, government level), the idea of ​​a JOINT production of the X-35 with Ukraine arose. For acquaintance (in order to determine what exactly the Ukrainian side can undertake), to the Kiev NGO "Luch" (one of the few currently functioning instrumentation (namely, instrument-making - machine-building capacities were transferred to him later) from Ukrainian enterprises) a sample of the Kh-32 "Uranus" rocket was transferred. But then the first "Maidan" broke out and the American protege of Yushchenko came to power. And then he led a policy of screwing up relations with Russia (and above all in the military-technical sphere). The project (among many others) came under the knife and was closed ... But the rocket was NOT RETURNED! The specialists of Luch and other companies have been studying it for over 10 years! Some of them were copied, some were not! Then they turned to the "new friends" - the Americans. Well, they threw something "from the master's shoulder" (some nodes and components for outdated versions of "Harpoons"). And so the Ukrainian "wunderwaffe" was born!
    Now look at the performance characteristics:

    I think: Everything is clear to the Court!

    I already wrote. "Neptune" has a number of systemic differences from the X-35. What the American Harpoon, the Russian X-35, and the Ukrainian Neptune have in common is that they all have exactly the same design. Why is the appearance of all missiles the same? Because it is the most optimal one for solving the problem. That is, the starting engine should accelerate, push the rocket out of the container, then undock, at this time the main engine should start working, it is easiest to control such a rocket according to the "airplane" scheme (those who are familiar with aerodynamics will understand), that is, the wing is in front, behind the rudders , but all these missiles are certainly different, different body parts and homing heads, engines, altimeters, protection against electronic warfare, etc. Ukrainian designers worked on all this. What "clone" are you writing about here?
    1. Slon1978
      Slon1978 21 March 2021 11: 03
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      That is, Ukrainian designers invented the Neptune rocket "from scratch" and it turned out to be similar to the Russian X-35 rocket in all performance characteristics and appearance quite by accident. The fact that the X-35 was stolen by Ukrainian designers about 15 years ago has nothing to do with the appearance and performance characteristics of Neptune. At the same time, inside (where it is not visible) Neptune was not copied from the X-35 and it was there, according to you, that the design innovative potential of Ukrainian engineers was revealed, and outwardly (where it is visible) it completely accidentally turned out to be an almost exact copy of the X-35. Did I understand your idea correctly?
    2. Oleg Shlyapin
      Oleg Shlyapin 1 May 2021 14: 45
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      And "Russians" love to invent fakes, and then sincerely believe in them. So here too - they sincerely believe that "Neptune" is a clone of the X-35. Well, let them believe.
  25. wow
    wow 19 March 2021 18: 21
    +1
    The fool, as usual, gets richer with a thought.
  26. lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 19 March 2021 23: 04
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    Quote: SovAr238A
    The X-35 cannot be called new, no matter how hard you try. Development and testing went from 1977 to 1987. It was only in 1988 that the rocket finally began to fly as planned. In the new Russia, the development of the rocket was very delayed, since there was no time for the rocket. But in 2003, the X-35 was adopted as part of the Uran ship complex, and in 2004 as part of the Bal ground complex.


    When the written "urya-urya" will praise the X-35 in the next article - God forbid them to remember these lines.

    Prize for the best commentary in the studio! What difference does it make which bullet will hit our brave and unafraid commentators: from a musket, or from an AK? The rocket already exists and sooner or later there will be more of them. In reality, 3-4 ships on the Black Sea Fleet can fight them off. Bykov and K, Ladny, RK, BDK, any border guards for her feed. For some reason, the respected author did not mention this. Neptune for Ukraine is a means of provocation and constant threat, and not a mythical defense of the coast.
  27. Well done
    Well done 20 March 2021 22: 49
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    Nice, informative article. Respect to the author of sincerity!
  28. Shadow_161
    Shadow_161 21 March 2021 17: 35
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    In the meantime, Yatsenyuk says hello, and says - "there is enough money."

    How ridiculous are the attempts of the raguli to suck the peremog from at least something))
  29. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 21 March 2021 18: 52
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    Quote: donavi49
    Let me remind you that Kerch with a displacement of 8565 tons was burned with underpants:
    The blame for the fire on the ship lies with the conscripts from BCH-5, who dried their clothes on a diesel generator. They went to bed, and the clothes were on fire.

    Well, what have some missiles to do with it? Missiles will never be able to inflict the same damage as ordinary sailors or conscripts. Simply because the damage caused by a missile hit is, in general, predictable. But conscripts are unpredictable people![i] [/ i] wassat
  30. Panzerjäger
    Panzerjäger 26 March 2021 21: 48
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    The question is, how much component base do the skakuas have? Well, for some prototypes in Kharkov, where they made a PART of the X-35 control system, they somehow scraped up the assemblies, but for the rest? As always - puffing up the cheeks, but in the end, farts will just burst from tension.
  31. Popov I.P.
    Popov I.P. 27 March 2021 20: 23
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    The optimism of the ukrovoi is understandable, just a few questions at once: 1. Why do we need an amphibious operation on the coast of Ukraine, when Ukraine has 2000 km of land border with the Russian Federation (not counting the uncontrolled sections of the LPNR), in fact, almost not covered by troops (even if all the Ukrainian Armed Forces, including pilots and sailors, put them in trenches on the border with the Russian Federation, then this is 1 company per 1 km) 2. What about the range of Russian Iskander (M and K), Dagger, Caliber, Kh-101 missiles , Kh-555, etc. with an extremely ancient air defense of Ukraine (their own missiles are not produced, the latest missiles for the S-300 and Buk are produced at the end of the 80s, that is, they are over 30 years old), who said that so far nonexistent divisions of the anti-ship missile system "Neptune" someone will allow not only to shoot, but simply to turn into a combat state 3. And were the R-360MTS "Neptune" tested in conditions close to combat: at full range, on a moving target, in conditions of massive use Electronic warfare and air defense, after all, judging by ukroSMI there were several launches on fixed shields at 90 km 4. And how is the situation in the Naval Forces of Ukraine It's about the intelligence system, target designation, and training for the BRAV, which in fact does not exist. And there may be many such questions, the main thing is that the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not yet have these "Neptuns", but in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the means of destruction that allow multiplying the hypothetical threat by zero are already more than enough.
  32. aleksandaravin
    aleksandaravin April 1 2021 14: 25
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    This is just a Harpoon, nothing more!
  33. Oleg Shlyapin
    Oleg Shlyapin 1 May 2021 14: 42
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    In fact, this is just the R-360 rocket, created on the basis of the Soviet X-35 rocket, individual parts and components were produced in the Ukrainian SSR.


    Not at all