Israel reported an "ultimatum" from the ICC prosecutor accusing the troops of committing war crimes

Fatou Bensouda, Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC), has decided to issue an ultimatum to the State of Israel. According to Israeli television, Bensouda "gave the Israeli authorities 22 days (as of March 3) to give detailed explanations in connection with the charges against the Israeli address."

We are talking about accusations against Israel related to the actions of the Israeli military in the regions of Judea, Samaria, as well as against the Gaza Strip. The prosecution insists that the actions that have taken place since 2014 are war crimes.

Fatou Bensouda:

There is every reason to consider this case, since, according to the Rome Statute, we are obliged to take action when the state contacts us. We will conduct an independent investigation. We will establish all the facts, identify the perpetrators.

In a letter received by the Israeli government office, it is said that the ICC expects from the Israeli authorities "assistance in forming an objective picture of the crimes committed." The case could lead to the prosecution of a number of Israeli officials, including former ones.

The Israeli government is preparing to convene a meeting during which the ICC application will be considered. It should be recalled that Israel does not recognize the statehood of Palestine, and therefore does not consider the ICC to have the right to make decisions regarding the stated claims.

Against this backdrop, a meeting between Russian and Israeli Foreign Ministers Sergei Lavrov and Gabi Ashkenazi took place in Moscow. During the meeting, the sides discussed issues of bilateral cooperation, as well as issues of the settlement of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. The head of the Israeli Foreign Ministry, according to some sources, told Sergei Lavrov about the letter received on behalf of Fatou Bensouda. Sergei Lavrov spoke in favor of the implementation of measures to overcome the conflict between Israel and Palestine. At the same time, the Israeli media especially emphasize the fact that Russia has many complaints against the ICC as well.

During Sergei Lavrov's briefing, journalists asked about the attitude of the Russian Federation towards the ICC. According to the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, Moscow is critical of the activities of this organization.

Sergei Lavrov:

The ICC did not live up to expectations. He has repeatedly demonstrated his political engagement and lack of professionalism, made mistakes in law enforcement, trying to unjustifiably expand his jurisdiction.

The Israeli media covering the visit of the Foreign Minister to Moscow reminded their readers (viewers) that Russia withdrew from the statute of the International Criminal Court, when the same Fatou Bensouda called the reunification of Crimea with Russia "a war against Ukraine" and added that Russia is allegedly committing Crimea "violence against people, their abductions."

As Dmitry Peskov said then, Russia withdrew from the ICC statute, guided by state interests.

Comments

[Jolly Roger]

Yes, send this ICC with this veil together. And further away.

[Ingvar 72]

And push the palis further?
For some reason, I am sure that if the Jews "arrive" from a stronger enemy, they will immediately "sing" about genocide and the next Holocaust.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Ingvar 72

And push the palis further?
For some reason, I am sure that if the Jews "arrive" from a stronger enemy, they will immediately "sing" about genocide and the next Holocaust.

Arrived. After which the UN has always condemned Israel.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Krasnodar

Flew in

I was talking about splashes from a strong opponent, and not about those slaps in the face, in response to which you beat with a sledgehammer.

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Krasnodar

Flew in

I was talking about splashes from a strong opponent, and not about those slaps in the face, in response to which you beat with a sledgehammer.

Read about the 1973 war
Well, if your criterion for a "strong adversary" is an economically and scientifically advanced country, then only Argentina and Iraq have had such experience for the last 35-40 years - in both cases it is very sad.

[XXXIII]

Quote: Krasnodar

Quote: Ingvar 72

And push the palis further?
For some reason, I am sure that if the Jews "arrive" from a stronger enemy, they will immediately "sing" about genocide and the next Holocaust.

Arrived. After which the UN has always condemned Israel.

The sixth column mutinied ?!

[Olgovich]

Quote: Jolly Roger

Yes, send this ICC with this veil together. And further away.

so they did it:

Against this backdrop, a meeting between Russian and Israeli Foreign Ministers Sergei Lavrov and Gabi Ashkenazi took place in Moscow. During the meeting, issues of bilateral cooperation were discussed

and agreed to spit saliva on this ICC. By the way, the USA did the same, which threatened the ICC with sanctions if they rock the boat. ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Olgovich

By the way, the United States did the same, which threatened the ICC.

A clear indicator that the United States and Israel do not care about international law. The law is that the tongue, where he turned, went there.

[ironic]

Have you seen these violations with your own eyes? I worked as a reservist in Judea and Samaria for three weeks a year for 11 years in a row. I saw everything there, except for Gaza. Didn't get there.

[borberd]

The court is politicized. They pressed on him for a long time, and he refused because Palestine is not a state, and Israel is not a member of the founders.

Quote: Ingvar 72

Quote: Olgovich

By the way, the United States did the same, which threatened the ICC.

A clear indicator that the United States and Israel do not care about international law. The law is that the tongue, where he turned, went there.

Russia was forgotten, it also came out.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Olgovich

... By the way, the United States did the same, which threatened the ICC with sanctions if they rock the boat. ...

It seems like it was under Trump, everything was very bad with him with international organizations, including with the UN and its subcommittees.
Those that are right now in the White House about various international organizations are the opposite of the type: make friends, stimulate, control and use as a tool.

In Israel, too, Trump and the Democrats have a strong difference. Trump was pretty pro-American and 200% pro-Israel. Probably any question where Israel was somehow affected, Trump took their position strictly.

With Democrat Obama, Israel was doing badly. Most likely, the democrats do not need a very strong Israel in the BV.

Therefore, under them, the case moved to the ICC.
Then they will start negotiating a settlement with Palestine.
Israel has too much strengthened its position on this issue.
Most likely, the United States will begin to level the scales, then it, as an arbiter, will gain more influence over Israel.
In the meantime, Tel Aviv will be a little rotten on a wide range of issues.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Jolly Roger

Yes, send this ICC with this veil together. And further away.

Jews and send him!
And put on it! With the device!
And in fact, they put on everyone!

[Kaman]

Victor, why did the Jews offend you so much in Canada?

[Victor_B]

Quote: Kaman

Victor, why did the Jews offend you so much in Canada?

Jews? Yes, nothing!
But the country of Israel ... I do not like it. He played the role of mother-in-law for me.
For the wife is Jewish. And, in the event of a divorce, she would have faded there.
Well, I've been to Israel itself ... I didn't like it at all.
Well, and his independent policy ... This is generally a masterpiece!

[Kaman]

Victor, you yourself are to blame. In matters of female beauty, Jewish women are very far from Slavic women.

[Victor_B]

Quote: Kaman

In matters of female beauty, Jewish women are very far from Slavs.

Well, right about mine!
But my daughter is a beauty!

[Kaman]

Half-breeds are another matter. And in my entire life I have seen only 2-3 Jewish women from the former Soviet Union with a decent appearance

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Kaman

And I in my whole life saw only 2-3 Jewish women from the former Soviet Union with decent appearance

Did you have an ophthalmologist?

[Dym71]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Did you have an ophthalmologist?

Elegant!

[Kaman]

Vitaly, how is your reading comprehension situation? I did not write about Jewish women with North African, Ethiopian or Yemeni roots. I wrote about Jewish women with roots from the former USSR. They have many different talents. Female beauty, alas, does not apply to them.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Kaman

... Female beauty, alas, does not apply to them.

"Russians" (Jewish women from Russia) fashion models outshined the native Israeli women. Moreover, quite often the Israelis themselves do not know that "their" models speak Russian.
Bright "Russians" beauties who have been the most talked about in the Israeli media lately, and whose faces have graced the most popular Israeli glossy magazines.

[Kaman]

Vitaly, and again you have a problem with reading comprehension. I did not write about Russian-speaking Israeli women, I wrote about Jewish women with roots from the USSR. In the current aliyah of the countries of the former USSR, there are 10% of Jews. All Russian-speaking beauties in Israel are of mixed blood. The same top model Sofa Mechetner of Jewish roots has a grandfather and she is going to convert.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Kaman

I wrote about Jewish women with roots from the USSR.

For those who are stuck in "Armata"
"Russian-speaking" are JEWS who came from USSR AND FORMER RKSPUBLIKS
Here is one example, she came with her parents in 2000.

[Kaman]

Vitaly, if you consider her beautiful, then you and I have completely different concepts of beauty and it is pointless to continue the discussion on this topic. Based on your criteria, all in Israel are solid beauties

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Kaman

you and I have absolutely different concepts of beauty and the continuation of the discussion on this topic is meaningless.

I agree with you that tastes are different, but when advertising agencies and leading firms and prestigious magazines invite her to advertise and pay such sums for one advertisement that you will never get it in your entire life, they understand better than you what beautiful is.

[Kaman]

They understand that sometimes the ad should not be a beauty, but a pretty girl, like most ordinary consumer girls. And as for tastes, like Ilf and Petrov have: "to whom and a mare's bride"

[Vitaly gusin]

[quote = Kaman] And as for tastes, like Ilf and Petrov have: "to whom and the mare's bride" [/ quote
Now I understand your taste, then you are right

[lynnot]

The first beauties from 1990 to 2020

In order not to torment: 1st place 2020 - in Israel

[Kaman]

The video is called the 100 most beautiful PERSONS. There is no problem with the faces of Russian Jewish women, with the figures of the tragedy ...

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Kaman

And in my entire life I have seen only 2-3 Jewish women from the former Soviet Union with a decent appearance

Quote: Kaman

There is no problem with the faces of Russian Jewish women, with the figures of the tragedy ...

Jewish women have everything, mind and beauty and figure.
And you have no conscience, so spin like in a frying pan. Do not be shy about it. that there are no Jews in their village. so we have not seen such which the whole world is looking at with joy.

[Bolt cutter]

I did not write about Jewish women with North African, Ethiopian or Yemeni roots.

Is your ideal the aforementioned ICC prosecutor?

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Did you have an ophthalmologist?

In Tel Aviv, there are only two beautiful women, one is my wife, she is Russian, and the second has not yet met. (local folklore)

[Kaman]

The fact that you married a Slav, I, by the way, too. Only mine is from a poor family, and yours is from a rich family

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Kaman

and yours from rich

Well, yes, in the Susaninsky district of the Kostroma region. such rich people live that you get jealous. And the mother-in-law has 9 children. So, alas, all with their hump.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Vitaly Gusin

Did you have an ophthalmologist?

So with poor eyesight, on the contrary, everything is, without glasses, all women are more beautiful! Trust the bespectacled woman.

[Avior]

there are other methods

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Avior

there are other methods

The main thing is not to overdo it!

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Kaman

Half-breeds are another matter. And in my entire life I have seen only 2-3 Jewish women from the former Soviet Union with a decent appearance

We didn't hang out much. I even saw such people in Moscow ..

[ccsr]

Quote: Kaman

... And in my entire life I have seen only 2-3 Jewish women from the former Soviet Union with a decent appearance

A vile lie - we sent you the best ones, and you, with sexual harassment, brought them to the point that the scary ones became trendy. Moreover, you also forced our former compatriots to serve in the army, and after the tsakhal, ballerinas will definitely not work out of them.
So lustful hands away from our former compatriots - do not dare to offend the Soviet gene pool, especially since many of them carry Slavic genes.

[ironic]

Oh sho is this, we have a new defender of Israel with Slavic genes? Well, half of these Slavic genes already barely speak Russian, it's okay, so she also wants such defenders as my grandmother wanted a headache.

[ironic]

Does your wife know about this too? And dad does not interfere with a Jewish daughter ...?

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Victor_B

Quote: Kaman

Victor, why did the Jews offend you so much in Canada?

Jews? Yes, nothing!
But the country of Israel ... I do not like it. He played the role of mother-in-law for me.
For the wife is Jewish. And, in the event of a divorce, she would have faded there.
Well, I've been to Israel itself ... I didn't like it at all.
Well, and his independent policy ... This is generally a masterpiece!

If the wife is Jewish, I apologize for everything that I wrote to you before. Now you can be understood.
PS Politics - does what is profitable

[Victor_B]

Quote: Krasnodar

If the wife is Jewish

If only my wife ...
Three children are kosher Jews!
The two elders are Israeli citizens.
All grandchildren are also kosher Jews ...
I am a minority! Untermysh ...

[Krasnodar]

Oh Wei ... here you will become a terry anti-Semite, not like an anti-Zionist!

[Kaman]

Petrovich, do you like warm beer and ugly women?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Victor_B

I am a minority! Untermensh ..

But have you forgotten Russian proverbs?
WITH WHOM YOU WILL HANDLE ........

[ironic]

How terrible life is.

[Trapp1st]

Now you can be understood. laughing

Balabol

[lucul]

If the wife is Jewish, I apologize for everything that I wrote to you before. Now you can be understood

"So that I am as smart tomorrow as my wife was yesterday"? )))

[Krasnodar]

Quote: lucul

If the wife is Jewish, I apologize for everything that I wrote to you before. Now you can be understood

"So that I am as smart tomorrow as my wife was yesterday"? )))

Exactly ))))

[ironic]

Does your wife know about your dislike?

[halpat]

Quote: Jolly Roger

Yes, send this ICC with this veil together. And further away.

Fatou Bensouda is very well fed as chief prosecutor of the ICC.

In general, I noticed that the higher the post a person occupies, the rounder and rounder his cheeks and other parts of the body become. It seems that the responsibility is greater, the scale of the decisions made is immeasurable, and after a while it becomes clear from the face that all this is nonsense, and most importantly, the improved well-being and the lack of direct, direct work.

[Terenin]

The case could lead to the prosecution of a number of Israeli officials, including former ones.

Oh, there is no way the "film strip" of mass repatriation from the USSR can spin back

[Cananecat]

What a nasty face (s)

[Retvizan 8]

As they say :
... "Who are the judges" ?!

[Doccor18]

"Whose will you be ..."

[Anatole Klim]

Quote: Canecat

What a nasty erysipelas

Let me clarify: "What disgusting erysipelas ".

[Pereira]

What a nasty face (s)

This is the face of international justice. Black, scary, stupid.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Canecat

What a nasty face (s)

A true "Dutch" aunt.

[Dym71]

Quote: tihonmarine

A true "Dutch" aunt.

She rolled her lips to the Golan

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Dym71

Quote: tihonmarine

A true "Dutch" aunt.

She rolled her lips to the Golan

Rather on the Golani

[Dym71]

Quote: Krasnodar

Rather on the Golani

You can roll up the whole Tsakhal with such lips.
Shalom of fear!

[Krasnodar]

Greetings!
Also, the special services with the police will remain

[NDR-791]

We will conduct an independent investigation. We will establish all the facts, identify the perpetrators.
And then what?
Israel does not recognize the statehood of Palestine, and therefore does not consider the ICC to have the right to make decisions regarding the stated claims.
And these can! By his own judgment, whom from the ICC to blame, and then for someone the earthly ball will seem very small.
I am not a supporter of Israel and its methods, but what cannot be taken away - they know how to answer. And if "... The Israeli government is preparing to convene a meeting during which the ICC application will be considered," then they will not gather snot to chew.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: NDR-791

Israel does not recognize the statehood of Palestine, and therefore does not consider the ICC to have the right to make decisions regarding the stated claims.

German Foreign Ministry: Palestine is not a state and does not come under the jurisdiction of the ICC

[Krasnodar]

Looks like madame of a cheap brothel

[polar fox]

Quote: Krasnodar

Looks like madame of a cheap brothel

rather to Novodvorskaya in a "don't let the Russian" t-shirt ...

[Krasnodar]

Quote: polar fox

Quote: Krasnodar

Looks like madame of a cheap brothel

rather to Novodvorskaya in a "don't let the Russian" t-shirt ...

I remembered a joke about the medical faculty:
1st year - nobody nobody nobody
2nd year - to him alone
3rd year -, him and one more
4th year - to all to all to all
5th year - to whom whom whom ???

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Krasnodar

Looks like madame of a cheap brothel

I have no idea if anyone is capable of drinking that much.

[Krasnodar]

Madame does not work - she is a manager

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Krasnodar

Madame does not work - she is a manager

Then sorry. Not strong in brothel terminology.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Krasnodar

Looks like madame of a cheap brothel

From a brothel yes, but from a cheap one this is a question
Fatou Bensouda was in the service of the dictator Yaya Jammeh for several years. In 1994, he appointed her personal lawyer, and in 1996 - the Attorney General, and then the Minister of Justice.
Jammeh is considered one of the most brutal dictators on the African continent. During his reign, a "witch hunt" was opened, thousands of Gambians died in torture and torment due to the whims and paranoia of the cruel dictator. Bensouda turned a blind eye to the atrocities of the dictatorship. Many said that her service with Jammeh was sufficient reason to remove her from her position at The Hague Court.

[Galleon]

Quote: Krasnodar

Looks like madam

Judging by the grip and categoricalness - more like a rhinoceros. The rhino is.

[Bolt cutter]

Looks like madame of a cheap brothel

Where clients are paid for bravery ? (after all, what kind of madam is the staff ) I am amazed at the arrogance of all these Mambudas who have reached at least some position in society. Even if from a refugee he became a brigadier of scavengers, he immediately gives orders and instructions with an important air

[Krasnodar]

Quote: Bolt Cutter

Looks like madame of a cheap brothel

Where clients are paid for bravery ? (after all, what kind of madam is the staff ) I am amazed at the arrogance of all these Mambudas who have reached at least some position in society. Even if from a refugee he became a brigadier of scavengers, he immediately gives orders and instructions with an important air

The mentality that makes the places of their birth a place from which one will quickly wake up to escape

[Bolt cutter]

And the unkillable stupidity that does not allow to abandon him, having already escaped. They all owe them, they are the smartest, their merits in all good things (one of them proved to me for a long time and seriously that without blacks in the armies of the United States and Britain, these countries would have been defeated by Hitler).

[Krasnodar]

Why Hitler - even Napoleon!

[Bolt cutter]

Anyway - customize mother the prosecutor at the official level of bananas - you grow And it will settle everything, and the necessary connections will appear .

[Krasnodar]

So she will use them for other purposes ..

[Bolt cutter]

Then better than watermelons

[Krasnodar]

Come on - he'll scatter crusts in front of some Amsterdam synagogue - who cares? ))

[Sayan]

Well, the face of this veil))) with such a sharpening only ultimatums and announce))) - as much a pancake, the tea choked and the sandwich fell out of hand

[Retvizan 8]

Is this the chief prosecutor in the picture?
Yes, do not consider me a racist, but it seems that this body was caught in the vast African expanses in the Mumba-Yumba tribe, well, and they threw some kind of shirt over it!
Frankly speaking, the physiognomy is not disfigured by the intellect.

[Prisoner]

Why is intelligence in such a position? The main thing is that on the command "face" she grabs the victim indicated by the world capital and does not climb where it is not advised.

[lynnot]

From the point of view of their tribe, you, for sure, are also far from handsome. And finally, to reduce everything to a conclusion like "the mug did not come out" is too vulgar.

[Dym71]

Quote: Retvizan 8

it seems that this body was caught in the vast African expanses in the Mumba-Yumba tribe

What is Mumba, they took the female from the hippopotamus

[venik]

Quote: Retvizan 8

Yes, do not consider me a racist, but it seems that this body was caught in the vast African expanses in the Mumba tribe-

========
Let's face it - in the jungles of Gambia! If you go from Morocco, through Mauritania and Senegal, then a little short of the Republic of Guinea Bissau - to the right!

[tralflot1832]

Duc the United States sent them first, and warned who would dig for the US army to receive sanctions for the most I do not want, it seems they even threatened with terms. This is such a Western democracy!

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: tralflot1832

Duc USA sent them first,

The United States has imposed sanctions against several senior officials of the UN International Criminal Court, including its chief prosecutor, Fatou Bensouda, and the director of the department of jurisdiction, Fakiso Benchojo.
From now on, they are banned from entering the United States, and their American assets will be frozen.

[Bolt cutter]

Chief Prosecutor Fatou Bensoudou; and Director of the Department of Jurisdiction Fakiso Benchojo.

In the center for the reception of refugees, the signboard was changed to "ICC". We need to keep the cool loers busy.

[lynnot]

How many commentators from the promised land and those who sympathize with them ...

[sergo1914]

... Fatou Bensouda called the reunification of Crimea with Russia "a war against Ukraine" and added that Russia allegedly commits "violence against people, their abductions" in Crimea.

Never trust women with a face that speaks of love for alcohol.

[Vladimir61]

So there is nothing to kick Israel for? We are white and fluffy! What would have been the howl in the West if Russia had inflicted missile and bomb strikes on the training centers of the MTR and GUR of Ukraine, for conducting sabotage measures and kidnapping of citizens on the territory of Russia?
Or the United States is "white and fluffy" for thousands of those killed in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria.
But, the Americans are straightforward, - "we cooperate where it is beneficial to us and without hesitation we will use force where national interests and security are infringed. And Israel spits on everything that is not in its interests. Period!

[rocket757]

The question is, Israel will just put a bolt on the ICC or try to give them another kick?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

Question, Israel will just put a bolt on the ICC

It’s a pity to spend the bolt on it, we didn’t find it in the trash heap, it’s just going to go the way she knows, through which I came.

[rocket757]

If you feel sorry for the bolt, you can get by with such a good kick .... very intelligibly, usually if the side for the kick is not made of cast iron.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: rocket757

such a good kick.

No need, its term expires in July and a new one has already been chosen, they will calculate how many countries will refuse to transfer money to them and figure out, continue to sit in silence and get cabbage or go sunbathing on the beach with the whole train.

[Avior]

The problem is more serious than meets the eye.
The threat of accusation concerns, first of all, the leadership, and if they are really accused, then it will be very difficult for these people to enter most countries of the world, primarily to Europe, where they can be arrested at the request of the ICC.

[rocket757]

So let's see who and how will act in a similar situation ...
Decide quietly, we may not know, they will decide loudly, this will not go past our attention.

[ironic]

They have already been told that the subjects of their interest will be defended by Mr. Israel itself, I would have thought that this could mean scared ...

[rocket757]

So, just from the interes ... and the subjects of protection will be very inspired when they see such a powerful defender?

[Avior]

... Russia withdrew from the statute of the International Criminal Court

Russia has never been a member of it, the signature has not been ratified.
But at the same time, Russia as a whole recognizes the legality of the existence of the court and its jurisdiction

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Avior

Russia has never been a member of it, the signature has not been ratified.

And Israel too.

[Avior]

Of course not. Therefore, on the territory of Israel or Russia, jurisdiction can be judged only by their statement on some specific events or by a decision of the UN Security Council.

[Viktor Sergeev]

I'm not a racist, but looking at the face of this prosecutor, I understand that she can compose. I think Israel's answer will be something like this: Wouldn't you have gone ... by the forest.

[Avior]

... Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said the ICC decision is the apotheosis of anti-Semitism and hypocrisy.
"The court decided that our brave and morally clean soldiers who fight the most brutal terrorists on earth are war criminals," he said. the Jewish people have now turned themselves against the Jewish state. "

Israel accused the court of anti-Semitism
It is not clear why the claims in this case to this Bensouda. In general, she is about to leave her post, a candidate for her post is already ready
Palestine ratified the Rome Statute, the UN confirmed that Palestine is a state, Palestine as a state was recognized by 140 states out of 200, the court considered this issue separately, and recognized that Palestine is a state, and the fact that Israel is not recognizing it does not matter in this case.
This Bensouda after that should start an investigation, no matter how it looks.
Incidentally, the investigation also concerns the actions of the Palestinians - Hamas and others.

As for the alleged ultimatum, this is the usual procedure, there is a complaint from one side, the other is given time to respond to it. I don't think Israel will not find a decent number of lawyers to deal with the case.
Another issue is that Israel is in a difficult situation - if you refuse to recognize the jurisdiction of the court, then it will indirectly hit Israel itself

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Avior

Israel accused the court of anti-Semitism

Who would have doubted. All around are anti-Semites.

[ironic]

And they really are all around.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: ironic

And they really are all around.

Are you one of them?

[ironic]

I do not suffer from auto-anti-Semitism (I hope you know the meaning of the term).

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: ironic

I do not suffer from auto-anti-Semitism (I hope you know the meaning of the term).

No, well, you so confidently stated that you were surrounded by anti-Semites that I, against my will, thought that you were closely acquainted. Maybe I saw it in the mirror, I think? For as long as I live, I haven't met a single one. Although I know several Jews personally. One of them, the owner of a private audit company, even treated me to cognac in his office. And none of them told me about their national hostility towards them.
It seems to me that the Jews themselves raise a stir on this basis. I just don’t understand - why should they?

[ironic]

Not me, but the Jews. Yes, confidently. This does not mean that anti-Semites are in the majority. But the fact that they are a minority in any society does not change the fact that they are surrounded. Society is always spoiled by the minority, not the majority. Yes, I am intimately familiar with anti-Semitism and have experienced it on myself more than once. Your passage about the mirror is counterproductive; it is your reflection, not mine. I am not suggesting to anyone to look for myself in the mirror, since I myself have no inclination for this.

If you are not a Jew, you may simply not notice, because you are not close. What is not told to you does not mean that it is not said elsewhere and to other people. The claim that Jews are pumping the topic of anti-Semitism is in itself an anti-Semitic statement.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: ironic

The claim that Jews are pumping the topic of anti-Semitism is in itself an anti-Semitic statement.

Come on! Look how you yourself are exaggerating the topic of anti-Semitism from scratch. Read my words carefully -

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

It seems to me that the Jews themselves raise a stir on this basis.

The key word here is "it seems to me." How did you interpret it?

Quote: ironic

The claim that Jews are pumping the topic of anti-Semitism,

You have perverted my "it seems" into a "statement" and, on the basis of this, accused me of anti-Semitism. Here's another proof that the Jews themselves awaken the topic of anti-Semitism. Moreover, in a bare place. So how do you feel about you after that?
Personally to you. This does not apply to the rest of the Jews.
It turns out this way - to talk about the Jews as about the dead, either good or nothing. But it seems to me that you will find signs of anti-Semitism in this too.

[ironic]

Without any, okay, I watch you from scratch ascribe to me the exaggeration of the topic of anti-Semitism.

It seems to you that the vision is anti-Semitic. What's wrong? It's like that.

I did not distort anything, I gave a characterization of your phrase. And the fact that it is subjugal, well, correction will help you, what is it an anti-simite phrase?
This is exactly proof that I am right, anti-Semitism is present everywhere and to such an extent that it has become a daily habit, as if we are talking about "two bits to send." At the same time, the subjunctive mood turns out to be an indigenous to him and made him an empty place, as if it were some kind of stealth technology and now cannot be seen from afar. It is visible and audible and the smell is still the same. And the phrase "does not apply to the rest of the Jews" is a strengthening, not a weakening factor, since divides the Jews into those who are fed with whom it is possible, they will swallow, or even worse, the auto-anti-Semites themselves and those who cannot be stroked against the grain and therefore these are bad. I understand that talking about a Jew as a dead person is somehow even more pleasant. The dead can be forgiven for posthumous non-acceptance of anti-Semitism, but in reality everything is simple, no need to be hypocritical. And everything will immediately fall into place with the Jews.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: ironic

I have not perverted anything,

No, it was perverted. Otherwise, how to call the replacement of one word with a completely different one?

Quote: ironic

This is precisely proof that I am right, anti-Semitism is present everywhere and to such an extent that it has entered

Even in our dialogue, you have sucked my anti-Semitism out of your thumb. With this approach, even in the weather, you will find anti-Semitism.

Quote: ironic

And the phrase "does not apply to the rest of the Jews" is a strengthening, not a weakening factor, since divides the Jews into food with whom you can, they will swallow or

This is because you personally have developed an inferiority complex and from this it seems to you that you are surrounded by anti-Semites. In fact, I just stressed that it is to you, and not to all Jews, as you might interpret my words, my words apply "

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

So how do you feel about you after that?

And you still tried to distort the meaning of my words.
I have nothing more to talk about with you.

[ironic]

It was not I who perverted, but you are trying to twist. Specifically, you wrote "it seems to me that ...", to which I replied "the statement that ...". This is completely legitimate and does not break the chain of informal logic. Your appeal for targeted perversion will not be accepted for no apparent reason. Write your likelihood and I will be ready to agree that there is exactly the same percentage of the corresponding affirmation in it. You need to be present in your opinion personally.

I am not claiming that you are a direct anti-Semite, I showed you an example of how the products of anti-Semitism become an everyday part of everyday life even for a person who does not consider himself a racist. About the weather, I'll answer you with my grandmother's favorite expression - you can crush a hedgehog on a neighbor's ass.

I have developed a complex of selectivity and a complex of disgust for a certain type of phenomena, and not only concerning exclusively Jewish nationality. And what you emphasize to me speaks of your good breeding and level of tact, and not of my complexes.

The apotheosis is to quote yourself and be offended at me for that. This is truly a masterpiece.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Avior

Palestine has ratified the Rome Statute, the UN has confirmed that Palestine is a state,

Nobody canceled for today Oslo Agreement for which they received the Nobel Peace Prize.
September 28, 1995 - "Oslo II":
Interim agreements, including details of the redeployment of Israeli troops, the division of the territories of Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip into zones A, B, C - according to the degree of administrative and military control of Israel and Palestinian Authority, the timing of the transfer of territories under control Palestinian Authority. The agreements also included a list of open controversial issues awaiting resolution in the interim, or during discussion final settlement agreements.
If you know, today the Palestinian Authority applies only to PART OF ZAPALNY BEACH Gaza has its own government, which is not part of the Palestinian Authority, THEY ARE JUST VARIANTS TO EACH OTHER
And what state can you say today?
When the OPP and Hamas cannot agree among themselves.
And only after that it will be possible to negotiate Palestinian state de jure and de facto.

[Avior]

all this is so, only the ICC has an official confirmation from the UN that Palestine is a state, they specifically requested, moreover.

On November 29, 2012, following a vote in the UN General Assembly (138 votes in favor, 9 against, 41 countries abstained) “granted Palestine the status of an observer state at the United Nations

As of July 31, 2019, the independence of the State of Palestine was recognized by 138 UN member states (71,5%),

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Международно-правовой_статус_Государства_Палестина#Государства,_признающие_независимость_Государства_Палестина
Thus, de jure, the UN recognizes Palestine as a state (and, accordingly, the ICC), de facto, of course, this status raises doubts, to put it mildly.
The Oslo accords did not touch upon this issue at all.
The question arose in the ICC on the Gaza Strip and the West Bank of the Jordan - it was examined for several years in court and it was concluded that these territories are still within the jurisdiction of the court. By the way, all this is not the initiative of this prosecutor and not her decision at all - the issue of the investigation was decided at the level of the court, not the prosecutor, she complied with the court's decision, thus, and I do not think that anything will fundamentally change with the change of the prosecutor - he is all however, the ICC's decision to investigate cannot be overturned.
So it's not about the personal position of this prosecutor.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Avior

Thus, de jure, the UN recognizes Palestine as a state

On November 10, 1975, the UN adopted Resolution 3379 (XXX) stating that that Zionism is a form of racism And on December 16, 1991, UN Resolution 4686, entitled "Eliminating Racism and Racial Discrimination", was repealed.
UN as a woman with low social responsibility. I want to accept it. but I want and canceled.

Quote: Avior

The Oslo accords did not touch upon this issue at all.

As far as it was concerned, there was adopted the concept of Palestinian autonomy within the state of Israel with the distribution of areas of responsibility.

Quote: Avior

of course, this status is questionable, to put it mildly.

To put it mildly, this is well, very soft.
A state without borders, without tax administration, without life-supporting structures, without its own currency, which exists only thanks to Israel.
I have always said, let it be the state of PALESTINE, and on the day of the proclamation and raising of the national flag, Israel cuts off electricity, water, and tightly closes the border for 100000 people who work in Israel.
And let those countries that have recognized the state do all this.
There have been no Israelis in the Gaza Strip since 2005 and what prevents them from building some kind of state during this time. They refused the proposal of the world countries to abandon weapons in exchange for $ 50 billion, because they have one goal to destroy Israel. It didn't work out with wars, they want it through irresponsible politicians. Who make and then cancel their decisions.
It will be the same with the ICC.

[Avior]

Let's see what happens next.
And as for the resolution, it was canceled with the collapse of the Soviet bloc and the USSR itself and pressure from the States.
This has nothing to do with the ICC - the States are not included in it and their possibilities of influence are limited.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Avior

Let's see what happens next.

Austria and Lithuania On February 16, they joined countries opposing the ICC's decision that it could investigate Israel.
Germany and Hungary, who are also EU members have already criticized this ruling. German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said: “Our legal perspective on the ICC's jurisdiction over alleged crimes committed in the Palestinian territories remains unchanged. The Court lacks jurisdiction due to the lack of the element of Palestinian statehood required by international law. "
Ministry of Foreign Affairs Czech Republic stated that "believes that Palestine has not yet reached all the criteria of statehood in accordance with international law.
Australia, Germany, Czech Republic, Hungary, Austria, Brazil, Uganda and Canada expressed their disagreement with a possible ICC investigation into Israel
And now Russia and the US explain that the Palestinians will get ears from the dead donkey, not the state, and the shop called the ICC will be closed if the new prosecutor does not change his decision.

[Avior]

excuse me, and who will cover the ICC?

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Avior

excuse me, and who will cover the ICC?

Someone feeds them, at least if most European countries, the United States and Russia are against, who needs them, if only Palestine + Zimbabwe.

[Avior]

There is a contribution from ICC members, the United States and Russia have nothing to do with this, the ICC is also conducting an investigation against Russia.
And disagreement with the investigation does not mean that the contributions will not be transferred and the decisions will not be carried out.
As for the closure of the ICC, the question is generally strange.
Let's see how it goes.
As for the Czech Republic, for example, no one forced them to recognize Palestine as a state.

https://www.palestine.cz/en/

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Avior

As for the closure of the ICC, the question is generally strange. Let's see how it goes.

It's already gone.
In the United States, a law was passed allowing the Armed Forces of the country to release by force any American citizen or a citizen of a state allied to Washington in the event of their arrest under an ICC warrant.
I do not think that Russia will calmly look at the arrest of its citizens.
America and Russia know how to put pressure on their partners in order not to accept or implement decisions. And Israel knows how to protect its citizens and explain to the Polestinians that they are shooting themselves in the foot.
https://tass.ru/interviews/10936549

[Avior]

I do not really imagine that because of an Israeli arrested, for example, in France, the United States would start an invasion of this country. And even more so Russia.

[Vitaly gusin]

Quote: Avior

I do not really imagine that because of an Israeli arrested, for example, in France,

Well, this is an extreme case. France and Israel will sort it out without rude actions. Somehow before, there was something similar in England, they quickly settled it.
As I understand it, we are talking about 34 countries in Africa and some other countries of South Asia, which are tame and eat from the hands of the Americans.

[Vitaly gusin]

This is what I wrote.
And Israel also knows how to protect its citizens and explain to the Polestinians that they shoot themselves in the foot.
AND THIS IS TODAY
According to Palestinian media, Israel canceled travel documents for PA Foreign Minister Riyad al-Maliki.
It is noted that the cancellation of documents occurred after al-Maliki returned to the PA from The Hague. Reported by The Times Of Israel.
Palestinian media reported that the decision was Israel's response to the ICC's decision to open an investigation into war crimes by the IDF during the last two major conflicts with the PA.

[I'm walking by]

Let me just remind you that the UN Secretary General during the adoption of the resolution that actually equates Zionism with Nazism was Kurt Waldheim ... a former Nazi criminal. And the question of which decision to make is determined simply on the basis of the number of votes, in which direction the political wind will blow, that is to blame. Actually, this is all you need to know about the objectivity of international organizations and regarding criticism of Israel, and in general.

[Avior]

When voting at the UN, this Kurt did not decide, you look at which countries voted for this decision

[I'm walking by]

He took a very active part in drafting and promoting the resolution.
Who! The Soviet bloc plus Islamic countries, mainly, several African dictatorships joined, for example, Uganda under the leadership of Idi Amin, a cannibal, a war criminal and just a beacon of the fight against racial discrimination, who wrote a telegram to the UN General Manager that a monument to Hitler for the Holocaust should be erected in Uganda , for which he received the opportunity to make a speech before the adoption of the resolution.
International law at its best.

[Avior]

He took a very active part in drafting and promoting the resolution.

Ordered the Soviet bloc and Islamic countries to vote for it? Themselves, then they didn't want to?
As soon as the Soviet bloc collapsed, they immediately voted for cancellation, everything is obvious there ...

[I'm walking by]

Israel's political opponents voted against him, evidence 10 out of 10, objectivity 88 out of 14.
What is obvious to you, I hope that the result of any vote in the UN reflects exclusively the balance of power of the parties concerned in the UN?

[Avior]

Exactly. The Soviet bloc collapsed, the balance of power changed.
And it's not some kind of Kurt who decides in the UN such issues as you wrote above
By the way, I usually communicate with strangers on you ...

[I'm walking by]

And I'm usually on the Internet with people on the Internet. Why don't you get the idea that not only the abolition of this resolution, but also its adoption, like the adoption of any other, is an exclusively political decision, not a legal one and does not in any way prove the legitimacy of the claims, or even more so the moral / logical correctness of one side or the other?
I have never argued that this resolution was not adopted without Kurt, he is the Secretary General and supports that resolution - only an illustration of its absurdity and how much the reality of UN dealings differs from the declared ideas.

[tralflot1832]

With this ICC at the moment we are with Israel in the same boat. They have "an alternative opinion on the Crimea", only a big difference Crimea was joined to Russia by the free expression of the will of the people through a referendum!

[ironic]

Which was carried out in violation of the legislation of Ukraine.

[tralflot1832]

So what of this. Let the Yalta conferences be held in Kiev. Their fate is such. 2004 Maidanis lost O. Zmeiny, 2014 Maidanis left Crimea, this is no longer an accident, but a pattern. Maidans, large and different in Ukraine!

[ironic]

How much does the Russian Federation lose on this annually, you have not calculated?

[tralflot1832]

Crimea is worth it. There was a salary of $ 2000, it became $ 1500 for me. But we have an unsinkable aircraft carrier Crimea! With good upbringing, other people's money is not considered, your mother did not bring up well!

[ironic]

My mother did not bring me up to this. Life taught me to count everything. Yes, military bases are of critical importance for the Russian Federation on the Black Sea both as a defense and as a political aspect, but everything has a price. The sanctions are calculated so that the damage from them is higher than the winning aspect. If this were not the case, relations between the United States and the Russian Federation would not have deteriorated, so everything has an account. Your personal loss multiplied by the entire country is the price of an aircraft carrier. Depends on how painful it is to lose a quarter of your income.

[3danimal]

Sometimes the thought comes to mind that the multiplying number of low-income people are more inclined to call on the forums for nuclear armageddon

[ironic]

Indeed, underprivileged people are more aggressive, less educated and completely indiscriminate in their means.

[K150]

Quote: ironic

My mother did not bring me up to this. Life taught me to count everything. Yes, military bases are of critical importance for the Russian Federation on the Black Sea both as a defense and as a political aspect, but everything has a price. The sanctions are calculated so that the damage from them is higher than the winning aspect. If this were not the case, relations between the United States and the Russian Federation would not have deteriorated, so everything has an account. Your personal loss multiplied by the entire country is the price of an aircraft carrier. Depends on how painful it is to lose a quarter of your income.

Well, you will think that in the Crimea, the United States already intended to arrange a base and carried out repair work on school buildings and other things for placement, but as Russia rushed, everything stopped abruptly. Apparently you are ready to sell your homeland for 500 bucks. 500 bucks is more important than the population of Crimea and the prevention of the base of the 6th fleet by the year 21.

[ironic]

The fact that Russia would not release its naval base in Crimea was clear to everyone except for Obamot. He probably thought that he would squeeze it out with democratic slogans. But obamot obamot, this is his face, and how it all happened, this is the face of the Russian Federation.

[3danimal]

You know, but for me personally, the mentioned decrease in purchasing power is very annoying (just my case - from $ 2000 to $ 1500, despite the increase in rubles to the salary).
I used to count my money.
And virtual pride in “something there”, which they are trying to sell me on TV and similar Internet resources, does not work.
Probably, the problem is that I stopped watching Solovyov-Kiselev for 12 years already (which, by the way, did not lose in income at all, at our expense). No time: work, family, sports ..
How to get back to the Matrix again?

[Avior]

Snake Island is actually in place

[K-50]

Long overdue!
How long can you climb into Syria? People are busy, the barmaleevs are disposed of (whom the Jews help ).
Maybe that's why they are bombing the Syrians, and not for the Iranians?

[Trapp1st]

The prosecution insists that the actions that have taken place since 2014 are war crimes.

And here the ICC, it is high time to arrange the chairs of Nuremberg.

[Tank hard]

Chief Prosecutor of the International Criminal Court (ICC) Fatou Bensouda decided to issue an ultimatum to the State of Israel.

Well that's it! Now she will not see a place in the Jerusalem cemetery.

[Dym71]

Quote: Tank Hard

Well that's it! Now she will not see a place in the Jerusalem cemetery.

If the funeral is tomorrow, they will respect, they will still allocate a place.

[ironic]

No, just behind the fence.

[NF68]

Well, ruin her.

[yfast]

Who are the judges?

[notingem]

Biden sent the Israelis the Black Mark

[notingem]

There is always a Jewish lawyer for a non-greeted prosecutor. I think a Jew has more talent and experience in different courts

[I'm walking by]

International law really exists only within the framework of mutual agreements between countries. And any organization claiming supranationality is either a circus that has nothing to do with law and justice, or a mouthpiece that works out the interests of the owners, but as a rule - both at once.