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Browning's Unique Designs: The Great Eight

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Rifle of the "Remington" firm M81 "Woodmaster". Photo by Alain Daubresse


"... There is in my hand the power to harm you; .."
(Genesis 31: 29)

Weapon and firms. Today we will get acquainted with another design by John Browning, and not just a design, but a rifle that has received the nickname "magnificent eight". It is clear that people do not scatter such epithets for nothing, especially in a country where people have always known a lot about weapons and knew how to handle them. Moreover, we will have not one, but two articles on the "Great Eight" topic.

Let's start with the fact that we remember that the material was already published about this rifle on VO in 2016. But a lot of time has passed since then, additional information has appeared, and if so, it makes sense to turn to this topic again and thereby continue our story about companies and their weapons.

Browning's Unique Designs: The Great Eight
Advertising of the 9-mm self-loading rifle of the "Remington" company

And it so happened that when Browning left for Europe and from there began to sell his guns to the United States, many arms firms thought that ... they had missed a whole segment of the arms market. Moreover, the leaders were again the Colt company with its self-loading rifles М1903 and М1905. The same company "Remington" had something to think about, and they made the right decision: they turned to John Moses Browning. Help, they say, in whatever you can, and Browning really helped them: he offered one of those three versions of his guns, which he had developed even before he left for Belgium.

John Browning's patent application was filed on June 6, 1900, and US patent No. 659 was issued on October 786, 16. And when Browning sold the patent to the Remington Company, they immediately began producing his rifle in 1900.


Diagram of a self-loading rifle by J. Browning under a 1900 patent

So the company was able to release its own automatic rifle on the American arms market - the Remington Autoloading Rifle, which in 1911 became known as the Model 8. But if the A-5 was a smoothbore gun, then this sample was a real rifle that fired powerful rifle cartridges with bullets in a hard alloy shirt. Moreover, "Remington" offered its customers (and this was also a very good marketing ploy!) At once four models of rifles for ammunition of different calibers: Remington .25, .30, .32 and .35. The very first fired relatively weak .25 Remington cartridges (6,54 mm caliber), then the power of the cartridges increased, but the last version of the "eight" used the most powerful cartridges .35 Remington (9x48mm Browning). This cartridge was created on the basis of a sleeve from the standard army .30-06 cartridge, but at the same time it had a larger caliber (actually 9,1 mm) and a much heavier bullet. That is, this rifle had more destructive power, and strength ... it is always strength. It is never superfluous!


Cartridges for comparison from left to right: .308 Winchester, .35 Remington and .223 Remington

Rifles differed not only in caliber, but also in finish. There were five different rifle finishes in total, from the simple Standard to the most luxurious Premier Grade. Although many mainly differed only in that the quality of the wood and the volume of engraving or notching performed.


Some rifles were a real work of art and were therefore fabulously expensive. For example, this sample ... Photo courtesy of Cameron Woodall


Or this one. Photo courtesy of Cameron Woodall

Interestingly, this rifle was developed by John Moses Browning while he was working on his first semi-automatic rifle, later the Browning Auto-5. Moreover, the new rifle used the same long-stroke recoil system as this one of his rifles.


Loading a rifle with a clip

But the new rifle also had some differences: the barrel with a casing put on it, hiding its return spring put directly on the barrel, a fixed box magazine for five rounds, which could be filled with a clip (for five cartridges of .25, .30,. 32 and four rounds for the .35 caliber). When fired, the barrel moved inside the casing, which, according to many shooters, was more comfortable than the "jumping" barrel of the A-5 gun.


Diagram of the receiver of the M8 rifle from J. Browning's 1911 patent. The device of the barrel casing and the barrel itself with the spring put on it is very clearly visible - Fig. 17, as well as a barrel attachment device - det. 5, 6, 7, 8

Browning created it considering the fact that in those days most people traveled by train, so the size of the weapon mattered. So he made his new 8-pound 41-inch rifle collapsible, making it easier to transport and clean. Disassembling the weapon was extremely simple. First, it was necessary to remove the forend in order to gain access to the built-in barrel key. Then, using the key, the connection was simply unscrewed, the barrel was released, and thus the gun was disassembled into two parts. And since the barrel, including the chamber and the open sight, remained a single whole, this feature in no way affected the accuracy of the shooting.


M8. The shutter is open. By the way, pay attention to the characteristic shape of the fuse, which is also the gate opener. Doesn't it look like anything? Photo courtesy of Cameron Woodall

After about 69 M000s were produced, the firm felt that "the old workhorse needed a facelift," and in 8 introduced the 1936 with some minor differences, such as a heavier pistol grip and a more durable forend. In addition, the gun was originally offered in a different caliber range: .81, .30, and .32 Remington.


"Woodmaster" M81. Left view. Photo by Alain Daubresse


M81. The fuse is closed. Receiver. Right view. Photo by Alain Daubresse


M81. Receiver. Left view. Photo by Alain Daubresse

The .1940 Savage caliber was added to the range in 300, just to make the 81st model even more competitive in the marketplace. At the same time, the rifle, named "Woodmaster", was produced with several design options: "Standard" 81A with a simple butt and forend; 81B Special with selected checkered wood; 81D Peerless with engraving on the receiver and delicate knurling; 81E Expert with even more engraving volume and better cut; and the first-class 81F Premier. The manufacturing technology was also improved and the cost price was reduced.


And this is how this rifle was disassembled: first, the forend was removed. Photo by Alain Daubresse


Then, by turning the key, the barrel attachment to the receiver was unscrewed, and the barrel was separated from the receiver. Photo by Alain Daubresse


Threaded barrel attachment. Photo by Alain Daubresse

Overall, the Remington Model 8 has stood the test of time. They are still used for hunting even in the 21st century, more than 100 years after John Browning first patented its design. And what made this rifle so popular? The rifle itself or our longing for the past, when the apples were sweeter and the trees much taller? Or do good ideas just never lose their usefulness? Who knows…


Barrel shroud. Photo by Alain Daubresse


But these are the numbers of the patents protecting the copyright of the company, which were stamped right on the barrel! Photo by Alain Daubresse

What about the attempts to improve this rifle? Yes, they were, but it is difficult to make perfection even more perfect. It is difficult, but if you try, you can. For example, to make the magazine ... detachable, which to a certain extent can make such a weapon more functional. The most notable attempt on this path was the work of the company “R. Krieger & Sons ”from Clemens, Michigan. They were redesigned using a standard 4/5 round box magazine.


Krieger conversion advertisement


The appearance of the M81 store after conversion is at the top (the magazine latch button is clearly visible) and before - at the bottom. Photo courtesy of Cameron Woodall

What sets Krieger apart from all other modifications is its high quality workmanship. It is not known how many rifles they converted (possibly hundreds), but it is known that such conversions were carried out in the late 1940s and early 1950s. In 1951, Krieger's ad was published in the American Rifleman magazine. At the same time, the conversion itself cost $ 20 (as a result, it increased to $ 25), and another $ 12,50 had to be paid for an additional store. Compare that to the M81's price tag of $ 142,95 in 1950, and then this conversion won't seem cheap.

By the way, in Belgium this rifle was also produced and was known as "La Carabine Automatique Browning", and in Germany - "Selbstladebüchse Browning Kaliber 9 mm", and even supplied from Europe to the USA, where it was known as FN 1900. That is, FN 1900 Is not a new rifle, but just the European counterpart of the M8. Moreover, in Europe, this novelty from the FN company was accepted without much enthusiasm, rather, as a weapon for lovers of everything ultramodern.


The Belgian and American rifles differed almost only in details: for example, they had different cocking handles. Photo courtesy of Cameron Woodall


They also differed in the design of the extractor on the shutters ... Photo courtesy of Cameron Woodall

Nevertheless, compared to other European firearms of the time, it had a very high rate of fire and ... was distinguished by an elegant design. But they really paid attention to it only in the first days of the First World War, when they decided to use about a hundred of these rifles in order to arm observers on the airplanes of the French aviation.

PS The author and the administration of the VO site would like to thank Cameron Woodall for the permission he gave to use his photographs and materials.

To be continued ...
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  1. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin April 11 2021 05: 03
    +9
    An interesting story and a typewriter too.
  2. Intruder
    Intruder April 11 2021 05: 27
    +14
    Great atmospheric article, all in the same style !!! Respect to the author and we are waiting for the continuation ... hi
    1. kalibr
      April 11 2021 05: 42
      +18
      I'm glad you liked it, Denis. There will undoubtedly be a continuation.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish April 11 2021 05: 55
        +12
        Good morning Vyacheslav! smile
        Excellent article! good You can write about Browning endlessly, it is eternal, like the sky above your head. And it will always be interesting to read about him, although it would seem that everyone has known everything for a long time, but no.
        Thank you. drinks
        1. kalibr
          April 11 2021 05: 57
          +11
          Good morning, Constantine! Yes: I seem to have written a lot about him, but looked at the archive ... but it turns out that somewhere only a third ... That's how!
          1. Catfish
            Catfish April 11 2021 06: 05
            +8
            So you will please us more than once by meeting this talented person. smile
          2. vladcub
            vladcub April 11 2021 06: 22
            +8
            Good morning. Q. Oh, and you periodically check your first publications. You look again, something new will appear
            1. kalibr
              April 11 2021 06: 25
              +9
              And to you good morning and good day. And, Svyatoslav! You are 100% right. But ... there are only about 1980 of them here at VO, and taking into account other places - 2970! It's hard to just scroll.
              1. vladcub
                vladcub April 11 2021 06: 32
                +8
                You are a hardworking person and you can handle it.
                I am far from always delighted with you, but I appreciate and appreciate your hard work. Without their hard work, the figs would have achieved something
                1. kalibr
                  April 11 2021 08: 31
                  +10
                  Svyatoslav! To be honest ... it's hard to imagine a lazier person. My ideal is a lot of hot sand, I lie on it and next to the sea. But ... once I read in The Little Prince "You are responsible for those you have tamed." And I have tamed as many as four souls, three human and one feline, and ... must take care of them. So I have to do what I do best. Otherwise, not life, but vegetation.
                  1. vladcub
                    vladcub April 11 2021 18: 23
                    +3
                    I confess, I myself am similar: now postpone, and then as God willing.
                    You lie on the hot sand, and me ... in bad weather on the couch, and in the summer, somewhere in the chill
      2. Intruder
        Intruder April 11 2021 06: 55
        +5
        I'm glad you liked it, Denis. There will undoubtedly be a continuation.
        We are waiting, and maybe more, something from the canonical things with the principle of semi-free shutter automation, namely from the beginning of the concept creation and up to engineering (first) samples, so for a variety of your series of articles !?
        1. kalibr
          April 11 2021 09: 01
          +4
          Quote: Intruder
          and it is also possible, something from the canonical things with the principle of semi-free shutter automation, namely from the beginning of the creation of the concept and to the engineering (first) samples

          An interesting idea, but I don’t know how to implement it. Next in line are flick drums, accelerators, Browning in all forms, Nagant - promised for a long time ...
      3. Zug
        Zug April 11 2021 08: 53
        +2
        And the photos are just great! I would like to ask The shutter mirror in the photo, in addition to the striker, has another detail below. What is it for?
        1. kalibr
          April 11 2021 09: 04
          +3
          Quote: Zug
          In addition to the striker, the shutter mirror in the photo has another detail below. What is it for?

          How attentive you are! It's just a spring-loaded rod that ... pushes the sleeve out of the "socket" when the bolt moves back.
          1. Zug
            Zug April 11 2021 10: 27
            +3
            Thanks. Thought so. Replacing the static type ejector works
  3. WHAT IS
    WHAT IS April 11 2021 05: 49
    +10
    and ... was distinguished by its elegant design.

    That is, that is! Thanks to the author, we are waiting for the continuation of an interesting story!
  4. vladcub
    vladcub April 11 2021 06: 18
    +5
    "is a bolt lock" looks like a Luger's "button"
  5. vladcub
    vladcub April 11 2021 06: 23
    +4
    Quote: kalibr
    I'm glad you liked it, Denis. There will undoubtedly be a continuation.

    Always on hold
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 11 2021 07: 14
    +3
    Vyacheslav, thanks for the article right away, you write well, it is interesting, but you also did not indicate some of the characteristics of the weapon - its weight, effective firing range, resistance to falling, I hope that in the sequel you will give such information! PS - it is not always possible to write a comment on your articles, but I read them all! hi hi
    1. kalibr
      April 11 2021 08: 34
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      its weight, effective firing range, resistance to fall, I hope that in the sequel you will give such information!

      Yes Yes Yes! Didn't specify ... AND I WILL NOT! Because it is impossible to indicate that. which is not. In those sources that I had this, alas, no.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty April 11 2021 09: 45
        +3
        Caliber -Vyacheslav hi , it is a pity, but this article will not become less interesting! To you, unlike other authors, your style of presentation of the material! So write on, thanks in advance! !! hi
        1. kalibr
          April 11 2021 09: 57
          +1
          You probably read articles about knightly armor? And there too - where the weight is indicated, but somewhere not. And somewhere the weight is indicated by details. What we have is what we give ...
      2. Alf
        Alf April 11 2021 21: 43
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Thrifty
        its weight, effective firing range, resistance to fall, I hope that in the sequel you will give such information!

        Yes Yes Yes! Didn't specify ... AND I WILL NOT! Because it is impossible to indicate that. which is not. In those sources that I had this, alas, no.

        At least in Vick the mass is indicated.
        1. kalibr
          April 12 2021 05: 47
          +2
          That's right, on Wiki. Anyone can look there. I don't really like to rewrite from there, that's why.
          1. Alf
            Alf April 12 2021 20: 38
            -1
            Quote: kalibr
            That's right, on Wiki. Anyone can look there. I don't really like to rewrite from there, that's why.

            Well, if you talk like that, then you can not write articles at all - on the net all this is, let whoever wants, searches for himself.
            1. kalibr
              April 13 2021 05: 58
              +1
              Quote: Alf
              Well, if you talk like that, then you can not write articles at all - on the net all this is, let whoever wants, searches for himself.

              If you want to argue, then consider that the difference between what is on the Internet and what you need to look for yourself, and even read in other languages, and what you are served ready-made on a clean plate, very large ... This saves people time, energy, relieves of feelings of inferiority, gives the joy of cognition that is not too burdensome for the intellect. It is better to have a digestible part than an inedible whole. Such a reasoning, if we really undertake to reason.
              1. Alf
                Alf April 13 2021 19: 42
                -1
                Quote: kalibr
                Quote: Alf
                Well, if you talk like that, then you can not write articles at all - on the net all this is, let whoever wants, searches for himself.

                If you want to argue, then consider that the difference between what is on the Internet and what you need to look for yourself, and even read in other languages, and what you are served ready-made on a clean plate, very large ... This saves people time, energy, relieves of feelings of inferiority, gives the joy of cognition that is not too burdensome for the intellect. It is better to have a digestible part than an inedible whole. Such a reasoning, if we really undertake to reason.

                When there is nothing to answer in fact, Mr. Shpakovsky turns on his trademark verbiage ...
                1. kalibr
                  April 13 2021 21: 40
                  +1
                  In fact, they answered you. It is better to have a digestible part than an inedible whole. And I want something more: contact Cameron Woodall personally, read his materials in the original and enjoy!
                  1. Alf
                    Alf April 13 2021 22: 12
                    -1
                    Quote: kalibr
                    In fact, they answered you. It is better to have a digestible part than an inedible whole.

                    Verbiage, part two ...
                    Quote: kalibr
                    And I want something more: contact Cameron Woodall personally, read his materials in the original and enjoy!

                    Why didn't you get in touch? Or you don't need it, it is better to write articles without specifics?
                    1. kalibr
                      April 14 2021 06: 48
                      +1
                      Quote: Alf
                      Why didn't you get in touch?

                      And you are also blind in addition. We saw this at the end: "PS The author and the administration of the VO site express their gratitude to Cameron Woodall for giving him permission to use their photographs and materials." It's not just that it appeared and this is just the beginning ...
                      1. Alf
                        Alf April 14 2021 19: 38
                        0
                        Quote: kalibr
                        And you are also blind in addition.

                        Maybe I'm blind. But the level of the author, who received permission, but could not, and most likely did not want to use this permission wisely, leads to some reflections. At my school they talked about such - I could not even write off correctly.
                      2. kalibr
                        April 14 2021 19: 56
                        +1
                        One must be able to read and not only in Russian, but not guess. What thoughts and thoughts can you have when you are in English? The level of the Soviet school, which is already there. So be glad that you are at least given this. And then you would sit on one rewritten Vicki. However, we have enough of those here who work just like that, read their materials and enjoy the "ability to write off correctly."
                      3. Alf
                        Alf April 14 2021 20: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: kalibr
                        One must be able to read and not only in Russian, but not guess. What thoughts and thoughts can you have when you are in English? The level of the Soviet school, which is already there. So be glad that you are at least given this. And then you would sit on one rewritten Vicki. However, we have enough of those here who work just like that, read their materials and enjoy the "ability to write off correctly."

                        Clearly, constipation of thoughts, diarrhea of ​​words. As Mr. Shpakovsky was an agitator, he remained so.
                      4. kalibr
                        April 14 2021 20: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Alf
                        Clearly, constipation of thoughts, diarrhea of ​​words. As Mr. Shpakovsky was an agitator, he remained so.

                        With you also to think what and how to say? Yes nafig! Too much honor ...
                      5. Alf
                        Alf April 14 2021 20: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Quote: Alf
                        Clearly, constipation of thoughts, diarrhea of ​​words. As Mr. Shpakovsky was an agitator, he remained so.

                        With you also to think what and how to say? Yes nafig! Too much honor ...

                        Communicating with you, I get the impression that the processes of thinking and speaking do not work for you at the same time. Adius, amigo ...
                      6. kalibr
                        April 14 2021 20: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Alf
                        Communicating with you, I get the impression that the processes of thinking and speaking do not work for you at the same time.

                        So after all, I am writing to you only in order to encourage you to make new comments and clicks. Nothing else is required from you. Therefore, I think at a minimum, or even in general ... I write what comes to mind. Why strain to click on your computer?
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 12 2021 09: 40
    +3
    "did not indicate and will not indicate" because I am mischievous. A friendly joke
    1. kalibr
      April 12 2021 11: 12
      +2
      Quote: vladcub
      because I am mischievous.

      That's it!
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 11 2021 18: 17
    0
    A sensible remark. Q. Oh, when I talked about Winchester, I clarified a little, but now I have given up
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx April 11 2021 07: 19
    +4
    Thanks for the great stuff. Moreover, this is the first time I read about such a more than original design.
  • Operator
    Operator April 11 2021 07: 33
    -7
    Moving barrel - no precision. Plus sights on the casing also contribute to lowering accuracy to the level of "plus or minus bast shoes". In general, the Model 8 is one of the few stocks of our John Mosesovich Browning.

    But American people hawal and continues hawala everything branded - PR rules laughing
    1. kalibr
      April 11 2021 08: 35
      +7
      Quote: Operator
      But American people hawal and continues hawala everything branded - PR rules

      Well, Andrey! If the weapon were inaccurate, they would not have taken it. Americans love brands, but they also know how to count money.
      1. Operator
        Operator April 11 2021 10: 09
        -2
        If the Americans take square wheels, then no demand for them will change my opinion about the advantage of round wheels. laughing
    2. John22
      John22 April 11 2021 08: 56
      +6
      For 110 years no one noticed this! Are you the only one who can see?
  • Undecim
    Undecim April 11 2021 10: 00
    +6
    rifle cartridges with bullets in a hard alloy jacket

    Hard alloys are not used for bullet shells. At that time, copper was used, today it is still steel.
  • Alexander Betonkin
    Alexander Betonkin April 11 2021 13: 55
    +3
    Somehow I didn’t think much before, but in your photo I saw not a complete disassembly - it’s just a class to transport a rifle. He took off the forend, twisted the lamb - and voila, it was disassembled into two parts. It is very convenient to transport.
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 11 2021 18: 14
    +2
    Now I think: who else of the gunsmiths was so "prolific"? And besides Mauser I don't remember anything, but that Mauser was: father and sons. Revolver? I can't remember anything, maybe VO will "enlighten"?
  • Undecim
    Undecim April 11 2021 23: 27
    +2
    What about the attempts to improve this rifle? Yes, they were, but it is difficult to make perfection even more perfect. It is difficult, but if you try, you can. For example, to make the magazine ... detachable, which to a certain extent can make such a weapon more functional. The most notable attempt on this path was the work of the company “R. Krieger & Sons ”from Clemens, Michigan. They were redesigned using a standard 4/5 round box magazine.

    You can also make a 15-round magazine like Peace Officers' Equipment Co. The variant is no less famous and successful than Krieger & Sons.
    1. kalibr
      April 12 2021 05: 50
      +3
      More on this ahead ... Not all at once.
  • KSVK
    KSVK April 12 2021 01: 17
    0
    This cartridge was created on the basis of a sleeve from the standard army .30-06 cartridge, but at the same time it had a larger caliber (actually 9,1 mm) and a much heavier bullet.

    And yet the author, you should not take the word of Wikipedia. Especially its Russian-language version, especially regarding American ammunition.
    After all, even a simple comparison of sizes speaks of the originality of 35 Remington.
    The .35 Remington (8.9x49mm) is the only remaining cartridge from Remington's lineup of medium-power rimless cartridges still in commercial production. Introduced in 1906, it was originally chambered for the Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle in 1908. [3]

    Moving barrel - no precision. Plus sights on the casing also contribute to lowering accuracy to the level of "plus or minus bast shoes". In general, the Model 8 is one of the few stocks of our John Mosesovich Browning.

    A movable barrel with such ammunition and a slow-moving bullet makes no difference. The cartridge is far from being for high precision. But the absence of water hammer and high penetrating ability, coupled with a clearly expansive bullet, really makes the ammunition very suitable for working on a large animal in short. And PP, if you look closely, are only on the trunk, so the jambs, my dear, are mainly in your worldview. Sorry. request
    1. kalibr
      April 12 2021 05: 52
      +2
      Quote: KSVK
      And yet the author, you should not take the word of Wikipedia. Especially its Russian-language version, especially regarding American ammunition.

      But above, Vasily reproached me for not reading it, the Russian version of Vicki ...
  • vladcub
    vladcub April 12 2021 09: 33
    +2
    "In Europe, this novelty from FN was received without much enthusiasm", probably in Europe, Browning pistols were appreciated more than his guns.
    Or "old lady" Europe is too small to "digest" new rifle items.
    Smash me with thunder, if during this period there were no interesting guns from: Sauer, Mauser, Walter, Astra, Beret, Beneli or some other French?
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR April 12 2021 15: 40
    0
    Oh, you shouldn't have raised the topic of the fuse here. Here and so the sect does not calm down, about the "true" designer of the Kalashnikov assault rifle based on the first version of the assault rifle developed in 1946. And they don’t care to prove that Kalashnikov worked in Kovrov, and Hugo Schmeiser in Izhevsk.
    So now they will yell that the Kalashnikov fuse "stole" from Browning))))
    1. kalibr
      April 13 2021 06: 02
      +1
      Quote: PROXOR
      So now they will yell that the Kalashnikov fuse "stole" from Browning))))

      Whats wrong with that? They all from each other ... "stole" ideas, nodes ... Someone did better than the author!
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR April 13 2021 10: 06
        +1
        Yes, someone is arguing. Hugo Schmeiser himself took a few ideas from Browning.