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Drones versus manpower: will small UAVs replace the rifle on the battlefield?

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Article UAV kamikaze: new capabilities of ground units we examined small-sized and relatively inexpensive unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), which can be massively used by ground units to destroy military equipment, fortified firing points and other targets.


The mass of such UAVs ranges from several kg to several tens of kg

But what if combat UAVs could be built even cheaper and in smaller dimensions?

So far, we are not considering an insect-sized UAV, although this prospect is already visible. Let us dwell on the combat use of UAVs weighing on the order of several hundred grams.

Goals and objectives


What are microdrons for?

The use of them as intelligence means immediately suggests itself. And at the moment, reconnaissance is a priority for the use of micro-UAVs. This area is actively developing in the leading countries of the world.

One of the most advanced representatives of this type of weapon is the PD-100 Black Hornet Nano micro-UAV, developed by the Norwegian company Prox Dynamics.


Reconnaissance micro-UAV PD-100 Black Hornet Nano

With a mass of about 18 grams (!), The length of the Black Hornet Nano micro-UAV is about 100 mm, the width is 25 mm, and the rotor diameter is 100 mm. The maximum flight duration is 25 minutes at a distance of up to 1 kilometer. Maximum speed 5 m / s (with wind speed up to 8 m / s).

The reconnaissance equipment of the Black Hornet Nano micro-UAV includes color television and thermal imaging cameras that transmit images to the operator's console in real time via a digital encrypted radio channel.


Presentation of micro-UAV PD-100 Black Hornet Nano

At the moment, the third modification of the Black Hornet Nano UAV has already been developed - the wind resistance has been increased to 10 m / s, the maximum distance from the operator has increased to two kilometers, and the weight is up to 33 grams.

For the group launch of the Black Hornet Nano micro-UAV, the Black Hornet VRS system has been developed, which ensures the placement of micro-UAVs on vehicles.

Drones versus manpower: will small UAVs replace the rifle on the battlefield?
Black Hornet VRS

Is it advisable to equip micro-UAVs with a warhead to turn them into kamikaze microdrones?

It is difficult to destroy armored vehicles with them. If only to damage sensitive elements - reconnaissance means, some vulnerable structural elements.

The situation with manpower is different.

On the one hand, the technologies of personal body armor (NIB) are constantly being improved: Armor of God: technologies for promising means of individual armor protection, and in the near future will reach such a level at which the existing mass samples of small arms weapons will not be able to provide sufficient efficiency in the defeat of enemy manpower.

On the other hand, in military conflicts, small arms still provide defeat from 30% to 50% of the enemy's manpower. An increase in the effectiveness of PPE will lead not only to a decrease in the effectiveness of small arms, but also to a decrease in the effectiveness of high-explosive fragmentation warheads: Battle suit. Wound statistics, bullets and splinters.

One of the ways to solve this problem is to create promising small arms with improved characteristics. In particular, the USA is actively developing advanced small arms program NGSW (Next Generation Squad Weapon Rifle).


Promising small arms developed under the American NGSW program

In Russia, even if such developments are underway, their details are classified. Potentially promising Russian small arms can be created on the basis of Soviet cartridge 6x49 mm or arrow-shaped sub-caliber ammunition (which is less likely in the foreseeable future).

However, the emergence of more effective models of small arms does not solve the problem of reducing the effectiveness of high-explosive fragmentation ammunition, such as grenades of underbarrel and automatic grenade launchers, hand grenades and other ammunition with light fragments.
Potentially strengthening the NIB may require a transition from being hit by a fragmentation field to a direct defeat of manpower by a warhead. Just as anti-aircraft guided missiles (SAM) and air-to-air (V-B) missiles have gone from fragmentation to hit-to-kill targets.

The weight and size characteristics of existing and prospective micro-UAVs make it possible to place on them a small-sized warhead capable of defeating fighters protected by any existing and promising personal protective equipment. And the guidance system will allow the micro-UAV to hit the target directly.

The question of price immediately arises. If, in the event of the defeat of military equipment, the cost-effectiveness criterion will work in favor of the UAV, then will it be economically justified to use micro-UAVs against manpower?

On the one hand, the cost of the small arms themselves is low compared to other types of weapons.

On the other hand, according to statistics, thousands and even tens of thousands of cartridges are spent on hitting one target.

During the First World War, for every soldier killed by a bullet, 7000 cartridges were spent. During the Second World War - 25 rounds. In the Korean War, 000 rounds. In the Vietnam War - 50 rounds. In the Soviet military conflict in Afghanistan - 000 rounds of ammunition per person killed.

Of course, these numbers do not account for many factors. And, most likely, they are greatly overestimated. But even if we reduce the number of cartridges spent per killed by an order of magnitude, we still get a figure of 20-25 thousand cartridges.

The retail price of the cartridge 5,45x39 mm is 10-15 rubles, the wholesale price is 5-7 rubles. The cost of delivery for the military is supposed to be 1-3 rubles.

In total, one killed enemy soldier costs 20-75 thousand rubles, or about 250-1000 dollars at the current exchange rate.

Destruction of the enemy with other types of weapons is not cheaper - shells, missiles, mines cost even more money, as do the hours of flight or operation of military equipment.

And if the cost of the Black Hornet Nano micro-UAV is presumably quite high and can range from several thousand dollars, then commercial models of similar dimensions, having, albeit smaller, but comparable characteristics, are much cheaper.

Commercial micro UAVs


The most inexpensive models sold in Chinese online stores cost about 1000-5000 rubles.

Made of plastic, weighing from several tens to several hundred grams, they have a built-in gyroscope, electric motors and lithium batteries, a color video camera of HD format and above. Chinese microdrones can be controlled using a smartphone fixed in a special remote control, or using virtual reality glasses based on the same smartphone.


Microdrones from Chinese online stores (not drawn to scale for different models)

The flight time of such micro-UAVs is 5–15 minutes, the flight range is up to several tens of hundreds of meters, and the speed is 3–7 m / s.

One of the most advanced non-professional models is the DGI Mavic Mini UAV weighing 249 grams. Its dimensions in the folded state are 140x82x57 mm, in the unfolded state with screws 245x290x55 mm. The cost of the DGI Mavic Mini UAV is about 35-40 thousand rubles.

The rate of climb of the DGI Mavic Mini UAV is up to 4 m / s, the maximum speed is up to 13 m / s, the permissible wind speed is up to 8 m / s. The maximum flight altitude is 3 kilometers (for such a kid!), The maximum flight range is up to two kilometers (limited by the video signal transmission range), the flight time is up to 30 minutes. The UAV camera DGI Mavic Mini is stabilized in three planes.


UAV DGI Mavic Mini

Another interesting type of "household" UAV can be called the so-called "UAV for selfies". The mass of such drones is in the range of 50-300 grams, the flight time is about 15 minutes.

In addition to their small dimensions, they are distinguished by ease of use, ease of portability and primitive control (the user should take a photo of himself or herself, and not be distracted by controlling the drone).


Selfie UAV

One of the most interesting models is the Italian micro-UAV AirSelfie. Its weight is only 80 grams, the body is metal, all moving parts are closed. The dimensions of the AirSelfie UAV are comparable to those of a smartphone. The flight height is up to 10 meters. (Most likely, more. Otherwise, it would stop working when the height difference. For example, it would work on the first floor, but not on the fifth). The range of video signal transmission from a 12-megapixel camera is up to 250 meters.


Micro UAV AirSelfie

Military micro UAVs


The military is also developing micro-UAVs.

In addition to the aforementioned Black Hornet Nano, one can recall the Cicada microdrones project.

Its distinctive features should be minimal visibility and cost - in case of mass production, it should be $ 250 per unit. The Cicada has no engine. Its launch is carried out from an air carrier. And then she glides silently at speeds up to 74 km / h.

During the tests, the Cicada UAVs were launched from an altitude of 17500 meters. Then they flew about 20 kilometers and landed 5 meters from their target.


Micro-UAV "Cicada"

Cicada drones are of little use to defeat the enemy. But they can "open up" the enemy's positions, preparing the ground for a subsequent strike.

Another interesting project is the GLUAS (Grenade Launched Unmanned Aerial Systems) micro-UAV project, launched from a standard army 40-mm M-203 grenade launcher. Two versions are being developed - one according to the paragliding scheme, the other - of the helicopter type. Both versions should have a flight altitude of up to 600 meters and a flight time of up to 90 minutes. The video transmission range is up to two kilometers.


Micro UAV GLUAS

At the moment, the GLUAS micro-UAV is planned to be used for terrain reconnaissance and target detection. But in the future, it is impossible to exclude their use for the destruction of targets.

In Russia, CJSC Aerocon has proactively developed the Inspector-101 micro-UAV of the aircraft type, made according to the tailless design, with a pulling propeller rotated by an electric motor. The range of the Inspector-101 UAV is 1,5 km, the flight time is about 30-40 minutes at a speed of 8-20 m / s at an altitude of 25 to 500 meters. The equipment of the Inspector-101 UAV includes a fixed forward-looking video camera.


UAV "Inspector-101"

The Kronshtadt group of companies presented at the Army-2020 forum a nano-UAV of a quadrocopter type with an estimated mass of about 180 grams. Its technical characteristics are currently unknown.


Nano-UAV of the group of companies "Kronshtadt"

Also, according to some reports, the United Instrument-Making Corporation is developing the Dragonfly UAV (there are other UAVs with the same name). This is an analogue of the Norwegian Black Hornet Nano. However, there are no details on it yet.

Warhead


Depending on the size and weight, kamikaze micro-drones can be equipped with different types of warheads. Considering that, in any case, the weight restrictions will be significant, the warheads of such a microdron will be focused on hitting one directly attacked target with a direct hit.

The simplest option is to use one or more cartridges with an electric igniter cap (EKV), fixed to the UAV in a special device. EKV can be built directly into the cartridge or installed separately, on top of the standard capsule - in this case, after the EKV is triggered, the flame force penetrates the standard cartridge capsule. The second option is easier to implement. But a separate EKV is additional mass. In addition, the triggering of an external EKV can reduce the hitting accuracy due to an additional pulse. Built-in EKVs are widely used in military weapons, and sometimes even in civilian ones.


EKV are equipped with cartridges of 18x45 mm caliber for traumatic pistols of the "Wasp" type

Specialized warheads can also be created for micro-UAV-kamikaze using explosives (explosives). In this case, the defeat can be carried out both directly by the explosive, and by some ejected explosive: a damaging element or even a cumulative jet. The disadvantage of this solution is the need for maximum convergence of the micro-UAV-kamikaze with the target. Whereas the "shot" with cartridges can be carried out from a distance of 1-2 meters.

Presumably, the most effective solution can be a hybrid solution, when the explosive charge will be thrown by a small charge at the same 1-2 meters in front of the UAV and detonated when it hits the target.

Media and tactics


Potentially, all soldiers of ground units can act as a carrier of anti-personnel micro-UAV-kamikaze. For example, taking the American experience, UAVs can be launched from a standard 40-mm grenade launcher.

However, there is a management problem here. While a fighter is controlling a micro-UAV (even if the latter is highly automated), he will be greatly distracted from the environment. That is unacceptable in a combat situation and can lead to the fact that such an UAV operator will be stabbed to death with an ordinary knife. Therefore, for most of the ground fighters, micro-UAV-kamikaze will be an auxiliary weapon used in certain tactical situations.

The optimal solution could be the introduction of an individual soldier (or several soldiers) into the ground unit - a carrier / operator of a micro-UAV-kamikaze, providing fire support or even priority destruction of enemy manpower.

In the first case, it will carry out the destruction of the most difficult and dangerous targets - enemy firing points, snipers, machine gunners, grenade launchers, mortar crews and ATGMs.

In the second case, carriers / operators of micro-UAV-kamikaze will carry out a sequential search and destruction of all enemy manpower in a given area, while the rest of the fighters will cover them from a direct attack.

With a mass of a micro-UAV-kamikaze of the order of 150-250 grams in the size of a smartphone, the carrier / operator will be able to carry about 100 micro-UAV-kamikaze, installed in cassettes, in a knapsack behind his back.


Micro-UAV-kamikaze can be placed in "stacks" in cassettes placed in a soldier's knapsack

The control of the micro-UAV-kamikaze will be carried out using a virtual reality display located on the fighter's helmet and lowered to the eyes during combat operations, as well as specialized controllers, in the future, integrated directly into the fighter's gloves.

In the foreseeable future, exoskeletons may appear in the armed forces, which can significantly increase the volume and mass of the carried cargo. If exoskeletons are not yet suitable for active warfare, then they may well be suitable as a means for transporting several hundred micro-UAV-kamikaze.


A fighter in an exoskeleton can carry several hundred micro-kamikaze UAVs

Also, micro-UAV-kamikaze can be placed on military equipment, in specialized unified containers - launchers. In this case, the number of microdrones on one carrier can be thousands of pieces. Also, combat vehicles can have more powerful communication systems with UAVs and comfortable working conditions for operators.

With a flight / control range of the order of 1000-2000 meters, carriers of micro-UAV-kamikaze can provide control of the territory and defeat enemy personnel over an area of ​​three to thirteen square kilometers.

Micro-UAV kamikaze will have a huge impact on the face of the battlefield.

The concept of "shelter" will change significantly, if it remains at all. Concrete blocks, trenches, long-term firing points (pillboxes) and other protective structures will not protect against micro-UAV-kamikaze, if it is not a sealed armored shelter such as tank (against which larger kamikaze UAVs can be used).

Only advanced automatic active defense systems, which are not yet available, will be able to ensure the survival of ground units from an attack by micro-UAV-kamikaze. The capabilities of human-controlled manual systems will be very limited, since in a dynamic battle, a person can easily miss a compact, unobtrusive UAV and miss an attack.


Manual anti-drone weapons against micro-UAV kamikaze will be ineffective

The micro-UAV-kamikaze will have a huge impact on the conduct of hostilities in the city.

Instead of using heavy weapons used to clear buildings by actually destroying them (which creates a huge risk for the civilian population), or a complex and heavy assault with inevitable losses, the cleaning of buildings will be carried out with microdrones capable of detecting, destroying or blocking the enemy.

conclusions


The improvement of technologies has a significant impact on the complexity of the production of certain types of military equipment. What 20-30 years ago seemed impossible or was considered a matter of the distant future is becoming something everyday, not surprising.

The use of commercial UAVs in all spheres of human life will cause their extraordinary spread. This means that their components will become widely available as spare parts for cars or household appliances. The technical characteristics of drones will improve - the weight and dimensions will begin to decrease, while the autonomy, flight range and carrying capacity will increase. UAV control algorithms will also be improved - there will be a possibility of fully autonomous or semi-autonomous flight, including indoors.

For a fighter controlling a UAV, this will mean that he will not be an “operator” controlling the UAV, but an “organizer” of the actions of a group of UAVs, receiving images from launched drones and indicating the targets being hit with gestures or aiming his gaze.

Formally, micro-kamikaze UAVs will not replace rifles and other small arms on the battlefield.

But in fact, if developed means of countering such weapons are not created, micro-UAV-kamikaze can ensure the defeat of more enemy manpower than any other types of anti-personnel weapons.
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  1. region58
    region58 21 March 2021 06: 12
    +1
    The simplest option is to use one or more cartridges with an electric primer-igniter (EKV)

    The simplest option suggests something like poisonous needles, and not necessarily with a lethal outcome, so that later there would be fewer problems with decontamination. Or what kind of gas will be invented with a laxative effect ... wassat Or putting it to sleep in the ventilation system ... In any case, it is enough that a person cannot perform his functions for some time.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 21 March 2021 07: 30
      +2
      Quote: region58
      The simplest option suggests itself something like poisonous needles

      The author writes about the UAV as a means of dealing with the enemy protected by the NIB, what can the needle do against the lousy helmet and the BZ?

      In this case, the defeat can be carried out both directly by the explosive, and by some ejected explosive: a damaging element or even a cumulative jet.
      Well, it is obvious that explosives, or rather an impact core of the minimum size and weight, will just solve the problem of hitting a target from a short distance.
      1. Civil
        Civil 22 March 2021 09: 30
        -1
        Microdrones instead of (jointly) the standard 7,62 ammunition, the Israelis are working on these now. The magazine worked towards the enemy, and then from 30 to 120 seconds each microdron will independently search for a target and detonate.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 22 March 2021 09: 37
          +1
          Quote: Civil
          The magazine worked towards the enemy, and then from 30 to 120 seconds each microdron will independently search for a target and detonate.

          I have not seen it, but the store means the barrel and the mechanism, and then it is no longer a micro-but a mini-drone, and the bill will go to hundreds of grams or even kilograms. It seems to me.
          1. Civil
            Civil 22 March 2021 09: 40
            -1
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Didn't see it, but the store means the barrel and the mechanism

            I meant that the drone will be in a folded state the size of a bullet, and an explosive charge will be needed for the primary delivery of the drone to enemy positions.
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 22 March 2021 09: 50
              +1
              Quote: Civil
              I meant that the drone will be bullet size when folded.
              Then really a microdron.
            2. Roman070280
              Roman070280 22 March 2021 12: 11
              0
              an explosive charge will be needed for the primary delivery of the drone to enemy positions.

              And then it just flies and falls .. because the charge is over ..))
              1. Civil
                Civil 22 March 2021 12: 20
                0
                Quote: Roman070280
                an explosive charge will be needed for the primary delivery of the drone to enemy positions.

                And then it just flies and falls .. because the charge is over ..))

                Of course, all these drones are children's aircraft modeling mugs. And firearms are mischief. Only bayonet attack, and even better on horses with lances. Although real experts prefer a stone ax, electronic warfare does not work on it at all)))
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 21 March 2021 09: 32
      +8
      Well, as always, these systems were presented 3 years ago, now they are in serial production. The mini UAV contains a small shaped charge that pierces a person's head without any problems. Here's a video:

      Fortunately, this is only a Movie, for now.

      The United States tested a swarm of 1000 UAVs launched from the C-130. Here is a video similar:
      1. Shopping Mall
        21 March 2021 12: 43
        +2
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Well, as always, these systems were presented 3 years ago, now they are in serial production. The mini UAV contains a small shaped charge that pierces a person's head without any problems. Here's a video:

        Fortunately, this is only a Movie, for now.


        A perfect illustration of how microdrones work hi
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 21 March 2021 12: 50
          +3
          Yeah, I wanted to humor, but it didn't work out very well recourse In general, the direction is extremely dangerous, it can be safely equated with weapons of mass destruction.
          An interesting variant of the "stuffing" of cluster bombs, several of these and a whole regiment were destroyed.
    3. Shopping Mall
      21 March 2021 12: 41
      0
      Quote: region58
      The simplest option is to use one or more cartridges with an electric primer-igniter (EKV)

      The simplest option suggests something like poisonous needles, and not necessarily with a lethal outcome, so that later there would be fewer problems with decontamination. Or what kind of gas will be invented with a laxative effect ... wassat Or putting it to sleep in the ventilation system ... In any case, it is enough that a person cannot perform his functions for some time.


      Poisonous needles and gases are prohibited - chemical weapons. In addition, the gas occupies a large volume, and it is extremely difficult to make a poison that will reliably cut down, but not kill. A person is such a creature, let's say so diverse, one will bend from the selected dose, and the other sneezes a couple of times - they will come to collect the bodies, and he is their turn in the belly ...
      1. region58
        region58 21 March 2021 14: 27
        0
        Quote: AVM
        chemical weapon

        Actually, I wanted to say that new means of destruction can use new methods of destruction. Unsuccessfully expressed my idea, I agree.
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        what can a needle do against the lousiest helmet and BZ?

        And who forces a fully protected fighter to attack in this way? The question of choosing a place and time. And now one of the options was indicated:
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Not necessarily on the front lines.
    4. Crane
      Crane 26 March 2021 00: 04
      -1
      Planes are flying across the sky (bomb carriers - they carry bombs)
      They want to cover us with earth (black soil and manure, all kinds of dirt, with their heads)
      And I, a young boy (about 17, maybe 20)
      I'm lying with my leg off (jaw on the side, eye in my pocket - pretending to be a simulator)
  2. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 21 March 2021 06: 42
    +1
    Hmm what where the world is heading. The weapon is becoming more sophisticated and deadly. Thanks to the author for the details. hi
  3. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 March 2021 07: 10
    +1
    It is quite possible that over time, only operators of all kinds of UAVs will be on the "front line". Some will attack the enemy, others will defend their positions. The human evil genius in killing each other does not stand still. Artificial intelligence will continue to work, with one task to kill the one who incorrectly answers the request "your stranger".
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 21 March 2021 07: 16
      +4
      Not necessarily on the front lines. Israeli and American intelligence services can use such gadgets to kill Iranian scientists and any other person they want to eliminate ... you need to be ready for this now
      1. progserega
        progserega 21 March 2021 07: 53
        +6
        If you continue your thought, then you can come to a rather scary picture of the future:
        1. There is a satellite with a set of "cassettes".
        2. According to the profile in social networks / Google account - the location of the target is determined by phone.
        3. A command is transmitted to the satellite - it "shoots" a cassette, flying over the desired territory
        4. Having descended on a parachute from a cassette, a drone is fired, which looks for a target in a given area by a signature (a small trained neural network on a corresponding neuro-processor in the near future may make it possible to determine the basic parameters of the target / obstacles). It is even possible to use algorithms of the "wait outside in front of the house, when the target is within reach" level algorithms. Somewhere videos were shown with recharging of such killer drones from overhead lines with induced voltage.

        In general, if we, as humanity, do not raise our morality and change the table of values ​​to a more worthy one, we risk self-destruction by opening another "pandora's box" - not this one, but the next one.

        Moreover, those who are the first to open the box will also not be protected from its consequences.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 21 March 2021 08: 11
          +2
          It's too hard smile pardon the task to the level of the recent assassination of an Iranian scientist.
        2. Illanatol
          Illanatol April 14 2021 13: 51
          0
          It can be made easier. Give the technical ability to kill household appliances or electronics. Built-in additional chip and several grams of plastic or miniature binary chemical ammunition (hundredths of a gram). Sell ​​- "target audience". At the right time - activation from the satellite or even over the Internet. The target can die in his apartment.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 March 2021 08: 30
        -3
        Iran is also analogous. They have such billions of friendship with China there. And after the fiasco of the United States in Anchorage, God himself commanded. How the Chinese got them is conceivable and inconceivable.
    2. dauria
      dauria 21 March 2021 10: 50
      +3
      It is quite possible that over time, only the operators of all kinds of UAVs will be on the "front line".


      On the front lines, everything will be the same. Dig, drag, unload ... Moreover, it is necessary to dig the White Sea-Baltic channel and drag the Cheops pyramid.
      Stop thinking about where to fit children's toys.
      They took over Mosul. First, they rolled out everything where the enemy could organize at least a semblance of a strong point. And here we need thousands of tons of iron and explosives without any "control".

      And from the electric flea - hang the mosquito net on the window and turn on the vacuum cleaner.
      1. Simple
        Simple 21 March 2021 12: 32
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        Dig, drag, unload ... Moreover, it is necessary to dig the White Sea-Baltic channel and drag the Cheops pyramid.


        So far, only when conducting anti-terrorist operations (each country has its own concept - terrorism).

        And in the middle perceptive, this (according to SABZHU) method of performing a combat mission will become commonplace in regular units.
  4. Flooding
    Flooding 21 March 2021 07: 43
    0
    During the First World War, for every soldier killed by a bullet, 7000 cartridges were spent. During the Second World War - 25 rounds. In the Korean War, 000 rounds. In the Vietnam War - 50 rounds. In the Soviet military conflict in Afghanistan - 000 rounds of ammunition per person killed.

    Perhaps these numbers should mean the equivalent in cartridges of all the ammunition spent on one killed enemy?
    It's hard to believe that these are real combat costs.
    If these figures are in any way reliable at all.
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 March 2021 12: 45
      +2
      Quote: Flood
      During the First World War, for every soldier killed by a bullet, 7000 cartridges were spent. During the Second World War - 25 rounds. In the Korean War, 000 rounds. In the Vietnam War - 50 rounds. In the Soviet military conflict in Afghanistan - 000 rounds of ammunition per person killed.

      Perhaps these numbers should mean the equivalent in cartridges of all the ammunition spent on one killed enemy?
      It's hard to believe that these are real combat costs.
      If these figures are in any way reliable at all.


      This data is widely distributed on the web. They include only cartridges - bombs, missiles, shells are on a separate line. But they include all expenses - shooting for fun, loss from fire in warehouses, for example, etc. Therefore, in the calculations, I reduced the conditional expense by an order of magnitude (10 times).
    2. ZAV69
      ZAV69 21 March 2021 20: 37
      +2
      Quote: Flood
      It's hard to believe that these are real combat costs.
      If these figures are generally at least somewhat reliable.

      No, naturally. Judging by these figures, in order to kill one mujahid, one must shoot a freight car of patrnov, while shooting several machine guns into the trash. Rave. And although this tsyfir constantly pops up in all sources. The question remains, who and why invented this nonsense.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 22 March 2021 08: 49
        0
        Otherwise, the soldiers do not shoot for distraction, do not conduct training, etc.
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 21 March 2021 09: 05
    +2
    I demand from the Author half a liter (!) ... two half a liter! There is a reason for such a requirement ...: once on the pages of VO "something like that" was discussed ...: in my opinion, hand grenades in the "sense" of their importance in modern warfare and the prospects for further improvement! And I expressed the idea that hand grenades in the future could be superseded or supplanted by micro-UAVs with a link, as an example, to the Black Hornet Nano ... So, the Author .... it is necessary to share! FYI ...: I prefer rum, but drinkable cognac or whiskey will do! yes
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 March 2021 12: 54
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      I demand from the Author half a liter (!) ... two half a liter! There is a reason for such a requirement ...: once on the pages of VO "something like that" was discussed ...: in my opinion, hand grenades in the "sense" of their importance in modern warfare and the prospects for further improvement! And I expressed the idea that hand grenades in the future could be superseded or supplanted by micro-UAVs with a link, as an example, to the Black Hornet Nano ... So, the Author .... it is necessary to share! FYI ...: I prefer rum, but drinkable cognac or whiskey will do! yes


      There is such a game - real-time strategy Command & Conquer, in it there is a type of combat unit - Grenadier - grenade launcher soldiers armed with intelligent grenades capable of flying through the windows of buildings and destroying manpower inside.

      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 21 March 2021 20: 36
        0
        I understood only one thing .... it seems that rum does not "shine" for me? what
      2. EvilLion
        EvilLion 22 March 2021 08: 51
        0
        Project Snow Blind of 2005, there are intelligent ammunition that is enough to launch into the room, in fact, imba.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 22 March 2021 02: 45
      +2
      can be supplanted or supplanted by micro-UAVs with reference, as an example, to the Black Hornet Nano ..
      there are already a lot of examples, and even in popular culture, the population is being prepared for this, like this they have:
      and we have:
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 22 March 2021 11: 34
        0
        Well, this is the imagination of the authors - how to orient a swarm of micro UAVs?
        Now only on GPS - to interfere with satellite navigation in the area, to suppress communication channels - the tasks were solved not even yesterday.
        UAV on INS navigation - will be two orders of magnitude more expensive + accumulated error for wind drift.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 22 March 2021 16: 03
          +2
          Well, this is the imagination of the authors - how to orient a swarm of micro UAVs?
          this fantasy was realized during the formation of fonts over St. Petersburg in 2020, with the spatial figures of a swarm of copters, of which there are about a hundred ...
          UAV on INS navigation - will be two orders of magnitude more expensive + accumulated error for wind drift.
          easy, my Mavik-2 (in the version: Enterprise), worked out demolition under the wind farm - up to 15 m / s, at an altitude of 100 m. easily and naturally bully , plus returned when the GPS was lost, according to the latter, from the additional INS module, at 5 km., once flew into the fog in the mountains and I already thought that I had lost the car (with ends), there was a loss of telemetry from it, although there is - at 900/1 200 MHz, a self-made transmitter from another Kita, increased transmission power with a booster, but the infection returned, all the same ... !!!
          1. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. 23 March 2021 09: 22
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            Quote: Intruder
            plus returned when the GPS was lost, according to the latter, from the additional INS module, at 5 km.

            I will upset you - the materiel does not have INS:
            1.Returns when the control signal is lost - while the navigation signal catches - this is a common practice for UAVs.
            2. Wind drift is compensated by GPS / Glonas data
            Quote: Intruder
            according to the latter, from the additional ANN module

            there is no ANN module on maviks :))
            Real Time Kinematics (RTK) is the best that can be installed on it - but this is not an ANN not once
            (The module provides object positioning accuracy with sub-decimeter accuracy using phase measurements of L1 GPS and L1 GLONASS signals + autopilot with obstacle avoidance. The base transmits corrections via the RTCM protocol to the Rover via a dedicated communication line (Wi-Fi, Cellular, Radio) , which allows Rover to determine his position relative to the Base with centimeter (1-3 cm) accuracy)
            3. if the GPS / Glonass signal is lost - it loses its orientation, if there is an RTC module - it can transmit location data over cellular networks - well, I wrote above.

            So INS is not even included in MAVIC 2 ENTERPRISE ADVANCED
            http://geostar-navi.com/ru/rtk-modules-ru/geos5rtk-ru/ возможности
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 23 March 2021 14: 35
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              there is no ANN module on maviks :))
              on stock versions, of course, not, so I had to install an additional module ... but this is already within the framework of my working project, last year, which I personally dealt with, I wrote about it above ...:
              from the additional ANN module
              this is an additional custom that I experienced, so to speak ... laughing wink
              1. Dmitry V.
                Dmitry V. 23 March 2021 15: 05
                +1
                Quote: Intruder
                on stock versions, of course, not, so I had to install an additional module ... but this is already within the framework of my working project, last year, which I personally dealt with, I wrote about it above ...:

                Interestingly
                What kind of module? Ring laser gyroscope? Or fiber optic. I have not yet met in the free sale miniature, which can be lifted by a mini UAV.
                Industrial or your own development?
                Will it rise on the 4th phantom?


                If in the dimensions of SINS-15 from KRET - I can imagine a drone :)
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 23 March 2021 15: 32
                  +1
                  I have not yet met in the free sale miniature, which can be lifted by a mini UAV.
                  well, there are the simplest assemblies with an Arduino-like processor, or in the form of a separate scarf can be found for the amount of $ 70-100, there is only truth, a standard set of sensors:
                  - pretty good 3-axis gyroscopes.
                  - medium-quality 3-axis accelerometers
                  - medium quality 3-axis magnetometer
                  - average or bad barometer !!!
                  But this is so, from the area of ​​Asian consumer goods ... wink
                  There are also more serious IMUs, so I tested one like this last year, in isolation from the rest of the world laughing
                  Industrial or your own development?
                  "own" manufacturer, of course ... not mine personally !!! And it will enter the market and when, I can’t know, it’s just not my area, so to speak ..., plus the NDA, with overwhelming conditions! wink
                  1. Dmitry V.
                    Dmitry V. 23 March 2021 15: 47
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                    Quote: Intruder
                    - pretty good 3-axis gyroscopes.

                    He also "sows" the energy up to 20% of the flight :)


                    Quote: Intruder
                    There are also more serious IMUs, so I tested one like this last year, in isolation from the rest of the world

                    Cool - imu-u1 it is not gluttonous in consumption and the accuracy is quite sufficient for such a scale.
                    Taking off my hat.
                    Quote: Intruder
                    plus and NDA, with impassable conditions!


                    Well, I will not bother with questions, other commercial NDAs are worse than admission :)
                2. Intruder
                  Intruder 23 March 2021 15: 42
                  +1
                  If in the dimensions of SINS-15 from KRET - I can imagine a drone :)
                  It's just a beast ...!? laughing
                  I have a simpler and smaller one, with an interface on the I2C bus:

                  Took everything in a heap, for $ 99,80 (All In One:
                  - gyroscope ITG3200 / MEMS,
                  - accelerometer BMA180,
                  - barometer BMP085,
                  - magnetometer HMC5883L)) winked
                  in FFIMU geometry shawls !!!
                  And to connect the gyroscope, I made such a scarf with soldering in the oven:

                  1. Dmitry V.
                    Dmitry V. 23 March 2021 15: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: Intruder
                    Took everything in a heap, for $ 99,80 (All In One:
                    - gyroscope ITG3200 / MEMS,
                    - accelerometer BMA180,
                    - barometer BMP085,
                    - magnetometer HMC5883L))
                    in FFIMU geometry shawls !!!
                    And to connect the gyroscope, I made such a scarf with soldering in the oven:


                    Neatly done.
                    And in terms of weight / dimensions / consumption, how did it come about?
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 23 March 2021 17: 38
                      +1
                      Neatly done.
                      Thank... hi
                      And in terms of weight / dimensions / consumption, how did it come about?

                      Power consumption: <100 mW, depending on the number of sensors and "polling time" ...
                      Dimensions and weight, in a polymer case, in a dust-and-moisture-proof version: 46 x 45 x 32 mm. / 65 g., If just shawls, then: 29.5 x 25.5 x 16 mm. / 17 g.
                      1. Dmitry V.
                        Dmitry V. 25 March 2021 11: 02
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                        Quote: Intruder
                        Power consumption: <100 mW, depending on the number of sensors and "polling time" ...
                        Dimensions and weight, in a polymer case, in a dust-and-moisture-proof version: 46 x 45 x 32 mm. / 65 g., If just shawls, then: 29.5 x 25.5 x 16 mm. / 17 g.


                        Denis - on the functional question:
                        To what extent does the system allow you to automatically work out the return route (for example, in the reverse sequence in autonomous mode, the ability to save flight parameters on the internal storage) in the event of a loss of GPS / Glonass signal? In the absence of communication on the TV channel and the control channel out of sight of the "rover"?
                  2. Dmitry V.
                    Dmitry V. 23 March 2021 16: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Intruder
                    barometer BMP085


                    Does this barometer have enough accuracy for a copter? The device did not jump up and down half a meter?

                    Like MS5611 more accurate (+ -0,012 hPa)
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 23 March 2021 17: 24
                      +1
                      The device did not jump up and down half a meter?
                      well, of course there were problems, but then everything was solved at the software level and not only laughing wink , math is great ...
                  3. Dmitry V.
                    Dmitry V. 23 March 2021 16: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: Intruder
                    Took everything in a heap, for $ 99,80 (All In One:
                    - gyroscope ITG3200 / MEMS,
                    - accelerometer BMA180,
                    - barometer BMP085,
                    - magnetometer HMC5883L))
                    in FFIMU geometry shawls !!!
                    And to connect the gyroscope, I made such a scarf with soldering in the oven:


                    There is no limit to my admiration - to assemble a working prototype of INS at a cost price of a hundred bucks - your head works as it should!
                    Taking off my hat hi
                    If it still provided an accuracy of + -10 m per hundred km ...
                    Lots of applications.
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 23 March 2021 17: 43
                      +1
                      If it still provided an accuracy of + -10 m per hundred km ...
                      Lots of applications.
                      here, there are already interesting options in a serial product, such as from competitors laughing :




                      Declare about:
                      miniature inertial navigation system, with 9-axis IMU sensor and RTK GNSS, with an accuracy of 1 cm
                      !!!
                      1. Dmitry V.
                        Dmitry V. 24 March 2021 13: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Intruder
                        here, there are already interesting options in a serial product, such as from competitors


                        this version of VN-100 is interesting with World Magnetic & Gravity Mode (WMM2010 model and WGM - EGM96) with magnetic field correction to true north, local magnetic correction, etc.
                        https://www.eol.ucar.edu/system/files/VN100manual.pdf
                        But all versions with gyroscopic sensors have problems with accuracy + - due to the fundamental shortcomings of these sensors - gimbal limitations (freezing when pitch is exceeded 90 degrees), precession.
                      2. Intruder
                        Intruder 24 March 2021 17: 40
                        +1
                        But all versions with gyroscopic sensors have problems with accuracy + - due to the fundamental shortcomings of these sensors - gimbal limitations (freezing when pitch is exceeded 90 degrees), precession.

                        Well, this is already old stuff with a gimbal and such restrictions, especially when hovering with angles at 90 pitch !!!
                        Now and for a long time, such systems rule, especially in small geometries:
                        Typically, these gyroscopes are available in sealed ceramic LCC packages that can be installed on motherboards. The sensor consists of five main components:
                        - silicon ring MEMS-sensor (MEMS-ring),
                        - silicon base (Pedestal),
                        - gyroscope integrated circuit (ASIC),
                        - package (Package Base),
                        - cover (Lid).
                        The silicon ring MEMS sensor, microcircuit and silicon base are located in a sealed part of the housing with a vacuum, partially filled with nitrogen. This gives serious advantages over sensors that are supplied in plastic housings, which have certain sensitivity limitations depending on the level of humidity. The diameter of the silicon MEMS ring is 3 mm and the thickness is 65 microns. It is made by deep reactive ion etching of bulk silicon structures on 5 "wafers. The ring is supported in free space by eight pairs of symmetrical spokes that emanate from a solid hub with a diameter of 1 mm. in the center of the ring.


                        The module housing contains a high-precision acceleration sensing element and service electronics (ASIC) with a flexible SPI digital output.
                      3. Intruder
                        Intruder 24 March 2021 17: 51
                        +1
                        There is a good edition, in some circles, it is even appreciated ...: V.V. Mateev, V. Ya. Raspopov "Basics of building strapdown inertial navigation systems", although the old one came out in 2009, but it describes everything that is now in mass products in the world !!!
                      4. Dmitry V.
                        Dmitry V. 25 March 2021 09: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Intruder
                        Well, this is already old stuff with a gimbal and such restrictions, especially when hovering with angles at 90 pitch !!!
                        Now and for a long time, such systems rule, especially in small geometries:


                        I'll make a reservation - in civilian systems.
                        Miniaturization is both a big plus (low power consumption) and a huge minus of this technology for manufacturing sensitive elements from silicon monocrystals (they are very sensitive to EM influences and require additional protection measures.
                        For military purposes, they have a large error and insufficient resistance to EMP.

                        The smaller the sensitive element, the less energy impact leads to its failure or to incorrect readings.

                        The most interesting thing is that the technology is very suitable for microdrones, but measures to protect against directed microwave and EM radiation will exceed the weight of the control electronics at times.
                      5. Intruder
                        Intruder 25 March 2021 17: 22
                        +1
                        For military purposes, they have a large error and insufficient resistance to EMP.
                        I agree, that's why ... now DARPA, my friend has been working there as a private contractor in one direction for 5 years ... with them, the warriors are looking towards silicon photonics, and the massive introduction of aluminum nitride technology with unique characteristics is also in full swing ... I can't say more so as not to substitute my friend ... Plus the screen version in the field of RFEMI, now a little different .., instead of gratings and slot structures, "quasi-regulars" are used in the form of ultradispersed particles, in matrices of carbon composite materials, this type : thin film, it changes the intensity of the electromagnetic field and "blurs" the EM wave incident on it, already in the volume limited by its surface, they are good to glue the hulls from the inside on drones, especially on small ones (MAV), and it has a funny mass, now by the way film technologies and polymers with composites have stepped far into the future in developed countries, just like metal alloys and plastics in the 20th century !!!
                      6. Dmitry V.
                        Dmitry V. 29 March 2021 12: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Intruder
                        ... Plus the screen version in the field of RFEMI, now a little different .., instead of gratings and slot structures, "quasi-regulars" are used in the form of ultradispersed particles, in matrices of carbon composite materials, this is like: a thin film, it changes the intensity of the electromagnetic field and "blurs "the EM wave incident on it, already in the volume limited by its surface, it is good to use them to glue the hulls from the inside on drones, especially on small ones (MAV), and the mass is ridiculous, now, by the way, film technologies and polymers with composites have gone far into the future in developed countries, just like in the 20th century, metal alloys and plastics !!!


                        Film structures - frankly, cause me some skepticism, they are good at blurring noise and not intense radiation. A sufficiently intense electromagnetic pulse simply cakes and burns out both film and foil several microns thick.
                        From a distance of several kilometers - even fairly dense nets - a mass of protection plays a role there, capable of scattering intense radiation and not burning / melting.
                        The ability to dump / dissipate concentrated energy by film structures into airspace is questionable.
                        For aviation, the problem is solved in protection against lightning (thin nets - for example, for carbon fiber components of the wing, empennage, fuselage - as protection against structural damage - a reliable way of protection today and against EMI (the same Dreamliner from Boeing - inserting thin nets into surface layers of carbon fiber reinforced plastics from structural damage).
                        But in composite elements of an airliner, the wing / fuselage dispersion area is colossal, compared to microdrones - the smaller the area, the worse the dispersion.
                        Concentrating emi with a compact antenna at close range is easier than protecting against it - the principle of armor and a projectile in this situation is similar, aggravated by the fact that an aircraft cannot increase the mass of protection indefinitely.

                        EMP emitters were not used to destroy aircraft due to insufficient range, but to destroy UAVs directly in contact on the battlefield - this will be a very effective active protection.
                        Quote: Intruder
                        . more can not say so as not to expose my friend

                        it is better to delete it altogether - the site is lustrated by the special services of the interested parties, since here the density of "former" ones with permissions is off scale.
                        We understand that nothing special has been said, and the "proactive" may not understand.
                      7. Intruder
                        Intruder 29 March 2021 13: 00
                        0
                        interested parties, since here the density of the "former" with tolerances is off scale.
                        unless they are "former", probably only ... when feet forward and lying down !? hi
                        it is better to delete it altogether - the site is lustrated by the special services of the interested parties
                        OK ... and the meaning of deleting after a few days, Echelon has already analyzed and archived for a long time, everything that we write here and on other resources as well ..., but while there was no knock on the door, it means: "the article is lying around for now on the floor ", let him continue, there lies ...! laughing wink
                      8. Dmitry V.
                        Dmitry V. 29 March 2021 15: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Intruder
                        OK ... and the meaning of deleting after a few days, Echelon has already analyzed and archived for a long time, everything that we write here and on other resources as well ..., but while there was no knock on the door, it means: "the article is lying around for now on the floor ", let him continue, there lies ...!


                        Not - ours is normal.
                        And here is a hint that a comrade will say too much, the NSA can play ahead of the curve
                    2. Intruder
                      Intruder 29 March 2021 13: 10
                      0
                      Concentrating emi with a compact antenna at close range is easier than protecting from it
                      And at what distance, if by 20-30 m, then it is easier to hit ceramic rollers or spheres with a shrapnel stream with a primitive stream, cheaper and can be used for living bio-targets with success !? Plus and squared distance ...
                    3. Dmitry V.
                      Dmitry V. 29 March 2021 16: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: Intruder
                      And at what distance, if by 20-30 m, then it is easier to hit ceramic rollers or spheres with a shrapnel stream with a primitive stream, cheaper and can be used for living bio-targets with success !? Plus and squared distance.


                      Like a metal storm with a shot rig? in a wearable version :)
                      Maybe.
                      The preliminary cost / performance analysis always precedes the draft design.
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 23 March 2021 17: 44
        0
        If it still provided an accuracy of + -10 m per hundred km ...
        Lots of applications.
        here, there are already interesting options in a serial product, such as from competitors laughing :




        Declare about:
        miniature inertial navigation system, with 9-axis IMU sensor and RTK GNSS, with an accuracy of 1 cm
        !!!
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 21 March 2021 10: 50
    +2
    Manual anti-drone weapons against micro-UAV kamikaze will be ineffective

    But here I disagree with the author.
    Microdrones are unlikely to be able to provide a decent level of resistance to electronic warfare, and even if not a pocket-sized wearable, then a portable generator will be quite capable of killing all these microdrones at once in the nearest, and not very, surroundings.
    Otherwise, yes, when acting against an unprepared enemy, fantastic opportunities open up.
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 21 March 2021 10: 57
      +3
      1. The electronic warfare systems themselves are extremely vulnerable and are destroyed in the first place, like the radar.
      2. Micro drones cannot work without quasi-AI, they do not need radio communication.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 21 March 2021 11: 21
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        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        2. Micro drones cannot work without quasi-AI, they do not need radio communication.

        The need for radio communication does not in any way depend on the presence of AI elements.
        But the basic algorithm for using microdrops - reconnaissance, target identification, destruction at the command of the operator, just implies the obligation of radio communication.
        1. Simple
          Simple 21 March 2021 12: 40
          +1
          It is not necessary to have radio communication with takidi drones - kamikaze in the zone of active hostilities.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 23 March 2021 21: 29
          0
          The need for radio communication does not in any way depend on the presence of AI elements.
          But the basic algorithm for using microdrops - reconnaissance, target identification, destruction at the command of the operator, just implies the obligation of radio communication.
          The basic mode of the flight controller - flight according to coordinates, specific heights on the terrain and speed is set with a change in course / trajectory before the flight, it is hammered from a laptop, when using a geoservice, or from a local terrain map previously obtained from external sources, then turning the bird on, recording from cameras / s or other sensors to a memory card, after 10 or more minutes ... return to the selected evacuation point, the operator takes the drone itself and the data on the map ... everything is trite and usually already now ..., plus in passive mode , without radio exchange with the operator, "in quiet" ... autonomously!
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 24 March 2021 05: 28
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            Quote: Intruder
            The basic mode of the flight controller - flight according to coordinates, certain altitudes on the terrain and speed is set with a change in the course / trajectory before the flight,

            No.
            Nifiga.
            The basic mode is reconnaissance in a rapidly changing environment, detection and identification by the operator of previously undetected or newly appeared targets, their prompt destruction at the command of the operator.
            The presence of a connection here is not just necessary, it defines the very essence of the process.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 24 March 2021 07: 36
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              The basic mode is reconnaissance in a rapidly changing environment, detection and identification by the operator of previously undetected or newly appeared targets, their prompt destruction at the command of the operator.
              We have an aerial reconnaissance drone, or a loitering ammunition and a drummer !?
              With all sorts of small-sized, it is possible and according to preliminary coordinates, pedestrian colleagues to work this way ... plus a complete passive mode, from opposition ... any RTR / RER !?
              1. Jacket in stock
                Jacket in stock 24 March 2021 08: 47
                +1
                Quote: Intruder
                We have an aerial reconnaissance drone, or a loitering ammunition and a drummer !?

                Well, we're sort of discussing kammikaze drones here.
                And they have all the trick to find and immediately destroy, and for previously reconnoitered targets, you can also use ordinary cast iron from a mortar-gun.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 24 March 2021 17: 33
                  0
                  And they have all the trick to find and immediately destroy, and for previously reconnoitered targets, you can also use ordinary cast iron from a mortar-gun.
                  young man wink , I can tell you for this that in the 21st century it is not kashirno to spend ordinary "cast iron" in areas without additional exploration of targets, for this there are (in the development of developed technological countries) air and ground (even BENK) drones, so that first this goal to identify and reconnoitre, and then the options for defeat, all the more to reduce the collateral damage, which is not small if you use "old" means of destruction, in the form of a cheap mortar shot, for example !!!
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 23 March 2021 21: 22
        +1
        1. The electronic warfare systems themselves are extremely vulnerable and are destroyed in the first place, like the radar.
        What is now against drones .. advertise, this is the opposition to civilian models and all kinds of self-made structures, they are also placed in airports and in zones with "special" regimes, there is most likely an extreme unwillingness of the authorities to be in front of the population of their countries, from a height bird's eye view, plus weak counter-terrorism measures, so sluggish for show in the reports ...
    2. Shopping Mall
      21 March 2021 13: 03
      +5
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Manual anti-drone weapons against micro-UAV kamikaze will be ineffective

      But here I disagree with the author.
      Microdrones are unlikely to be able to provide a decent level of resistance to electronic warfare, and even if not a pocket-sized wearable, then a portable generator will be quite capable of killing all these microdrones at once in the nearest, and not very, surroundings.
      Otherwise, yes, when acting against an unprepared enemy, fantastic opportunities open up.


      As part of the ammunition, there can be drones, just against the means of electronic warfare - no communications, no GPS, only sensors for EMP radiation. The problem, as always, is that there won't be a lot of electronic warfare generators, and it is enough for the enemy to disable it.

      In addition, now more and more algorithms are being developed for processing images and other sensors using neural networks, civil UAVs and cars will develop this technology to unprecedented heights, after which microdrones can fly just by the image. Those. we have a high-resolution 3D image of a terrain map from space, after which the operator programs the drone to hit all targets within a given square, the drone flies there and looks for and hits targets by itself, focusing only on the video image. In this case, there will be no use at all from electronic warfare.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 23 March 2021 23: 28
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        In addition, now more and more algorithms are being developed for processing images and other sensors using neural networks, civil UAVs and cars will develop this technology to unprecedented heights, after which microdrones can fly just by the image.

        There is also this (look at the data on the range in the camera review ...):
        this is for the Turks, with their mini-version of one of the famous UAVs of 2020 !!!
        And this, already the very top from the Jews, is also interesting to pay attention to the viewing range and picture quality of objects !?
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 22 March 2021 16: 11
      0
      then the portable generator will be quite capable of killing all these microdrones at once in the nearest, and not very, surroundings.
      Otherwise, yes, when acting against an unprepared enemy, fantastic opportunities open up.
      Not only, now a wearable primitive "power bank" can be easily assembled on polymer batteries - up to 1 kW, in terms of power, for charging different devices in "outdoor" mode and working in different areas (far from Humanity) and stuff it all into a backpack and carry, but a little heavy, but also small arms, with ammunition and other things, you often have to carry over your shoulders, and your own electronic warfare, precisely for: direct counteraction to small and low-altitude aerial reconnaissance drones and loitering ammunition, it is always better here in place, than somewhere there, standing on the car !? wink
    4. Vadim F
      Vadim F April 7 2021 02: 59
      0
      why did you decide that you will have time to use the web? a good operator will guide the drone to the target, and you won't have time to blurt out. see what freestylers are doing on fpv :))) if he wants to kill someone, then even explosives will not be needed, he will kill a drone with a mass of 100-0.5 kg with kinetic energy of flying 1 + km / h.
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 21 March 2021 11: 47
    0
    Concrete blocks, trenches, long-term firing points (pillboxes) and other protective structures will not protect against micro-UAV kamikaze, unless it is a sealed armored shelter such as a tank (against which larger kamikaze UAVs can be used).

    At its current size, such a high-tech solution as a chain-link mesh will protect from a micro UAV. Or any other net, even fishing net. But to shoot down these bumblebees will be difficult, I agree here. More precisely, not to shoot down, but to detect and give target designation. And you can shoot with duck shot
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 March 2021 12: 15
      +1
      Quote: Peaceful SEO
      At its current size, such a high-tech solution as a chain-link mesh will protect from a micro UAV. Or any other net, even fishing net.


      Only stationary firing points, but something larger will fly to them.

      Quote: Peaceful SEO
      But to shoot down these bumblebees will be difficult, I agree here. More precisely, not to shoot down, but to detect and give target designation. And you can shoot with duck shot


      The main problem here is that for an attacker, the loss of several drones is not critical, but for a fighter it is enough to miss one ...
      1. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 22 March 2021 11: 14
        -1
        Quote: AVM
        The main problem here is that for an attacker, the loss of several drones is not critical, but for a fighter it is enough to miss one ...


        Is it okay that he can defend himself from the mirkodron with the simplest defensive net?
        The microdron does not have enough moment of inertia to break the grid and the explosive charge to cause damage at a distance.
        These are all fantasies.

        1. Shopping Mall
          22 March 2021 11: 23
          0
          Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
          Quote: AVM
          The main problem here is that for an attacker, the loss of several drones is not critical, but for a fighter it is enough to miss one ...


          Is it okay that he can defend himself from the mirkodron with the simplest defensive net?
          The microdron and the moment of inertia are not enough to break the grid and the explosive charge to cause damage at a distance


          How do you imagine fighters in nets with a protection radius of 1-2 meters? Or maybe even more, if the drone is armed with a cartridge (several cartridges) and is capable of attacking a target from 1-3 meters?

          Who said that the explosive will be without a striking element, when detonation "point-blank" is not required?
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 23 March 2021 23: 33
          0
          The microdron does not have enough moment of inertia to break the grid and the explosive charge to cause damage at a distance.
          These are all fantasies.
          Well, the grid ... this is of course interesting, but if such ones arrive after the loss of the optical reconnaissance microdron and start ..., for the sake of some serious joke ..., the video is visible !? smile :

          PS Well, for lovers of small and unmanned vehicles, so to the seagull ...:
      2. Intruder
        Intruder 22 March 2021 16: 16
        +1
        The main problem here is that for an attacker, the loss of several drones is not critical, but for a fighter it is enough to miss one ...
        but this is true, even more so if the bio-targets are military specialists, or representatives of the command on the battlefield ... or simply: by calculating a mortar or a gun (even self-propelled guns / MLRS) at positions that fell into the target designation of the operator for a swarm of small UAVs! !
  • Simple
    Simple 21 March 2021 12: 53
    0
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    can be safely equated with weapons of mass destruction.


    Weapons of mass destruction imply an element of inevitability.
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 21 March 2021 20: 57
      0
      Quote: Simple
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      can be safely equated with weapons of mass destruction.


      Weapons of mass destruction imply an element of inevitability.


      With microdrones kamikaze it turns out that way. The most optimal use case is the application in a certain area. All living things will be destroyed on this territory.
      Algorithm on the microdron can easily identify a live target and hit.
      But to figure out that this is a combatant or a civilian will not be able to.

      There will probably be an operator control option with kill confirmation that you can use or not.

      But in real combat, no one will bother with this. There is a territory where there are no "friends", to fill up with drones and then additional reconnaissance and cleaning.

      In terms of mass it is close to chemical weapons, in terms of selectivity it is the same (destruction of all people).
      Of the "convenience" there are fewer options to suffer as with a chemical weapon if, for example, an accidental explosion of a chemical projectile occurs. There is no need to degass the area. Drones will either self-destruct or the battery will run out.
      1. Simple
        Simple 21 March 2021 21: 24
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        Algorithm for defining "enemy or civilian" offhand:
        Did the shooting proceed from this location?
        Is the person armed?
        does he have military equipment?
        Analysis of the behavior of the detected person.
        If it is not clear, circle the detected person as unidentified by the "enemy - civilian" system and transfer the information to other drones for observation, if they have free time.
        There will probably be an operator control option with kill confirmation that you can use or not.

        And by what criteria will the drone operator be able to determine what to do with the detected person (group of persons)?

        Weapons of mass destruction cannot, by definition, be given the function of selectivity according to the principle of "friend-foe", "enemy-civilian".

        Drones can "flash" these functions.
        Of course, it's not a fact that there will be one hundred percent correct selectivity.
        But this type of weapon will no longer be able to fall under the definition of weapons of mass destruction.
  • pytar
    pytar 21 March 2021 12: 55
    +3
    Very interesting article! In my opinion, the author was correctly guided by the trends in military affairs! good A revolutionary technological transition to robotic small-sized remotely controlled (+ robotic systems of artificial intelligence) are inevitable! Increasingly, the robotic will fight robots, and the soldier - the operators will sit in protected points, at a sufficient distance from the battlefields. The outcome of the battles will be decided not by the courage and revenues of the soldiers, but by ... processor power!
    1. Dmitry V.
      Dmitry V. 22 March 2021 11: 10
      +1
      Quote: pytar
      the operators will sit in protected locations, at a sufficient distance from the battlefields. The outcome of the battles will be decided not by the courage and revenues of the soldiers, but by ... the processor power!


      What channels will be used for data transmission and control?
      Any EW specialist will tell you that in the third world war ALL the warring parties will carry coils of wires (or fiber-optic lines).
      Command posts, communication satellites, repeaters, navigation satellites will be hit or suppressed first.
      Only autonomous robotic systems with INS navigation will be able to operate under the overwhelming influence of electronic warfare
      1. Shopping Mall
        22 March 2021 11: 37
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        Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
        Quote: pytar
        the operators will sit in protected locations, at a sufficient distance from the battlefields. The outcome of the battles will be decided not by the courage and revenues of the soldiers, but by ... the processor power!


        What channels will be used for data transmission and control?
        Any EW specialist will tell you that in the third world war ALL the warring parties will carry coils of wires (or fiber-optic lines).
        Command posts, communication satellites, repeaters, navigation satellites will be hit or suppressed first.
        Only autonomous robotic systems with INS navigation will be able to operate under the overwhelming influence of electronic warfare


        Is the amount of electronic warfare funds not limited? What will prevent you from detecting and attacking actively emitting electronic warfare equipment? Especially when it comes to ground vehicles.
        1. Dmitry V.
          Dmitry V. 22 March 2021 12: 41
          +1
          Quote: AVM
          What will prevent you from detecting and attacking actively emitting electronic warfare equipment?

          Passively detect - nothing interferes with low accuracy - from 30 km it is a square of 1500x1500 meters.
          What prevents you from hitting a repeater for controlling a micro UAV? By the way, this is a means of fire enhancement of what? Companies? Battalion? Divisions? Well, let's say they live gorgeous - companies. This means that the control center / relay is no further than the battalion headquarters 5-15 km from the forward formations, or 15-30 km from the division.
          Micro UAVs will be launched from advanced combat formations - otherwise the range will simply not be enough.
          A jamming station for a UAV of this dimension will be in a portable / transportable form factor in the rear of deployed forward orders of 5-15 km. The farther from the repeater, the closer to the jamming station.
          Suppressing a portable jamming station is another task - the best radio reconnaissance systems will give an accuracy of 5 km square 150x150 m.We deepen the station into a trench, deploy an antenna complex at 150-200 m.It is not easy to hit the antenna unit with an accurate hit, but it is possible in the end ... What does not prevent switching to the backup - the antennas are an order of magnitude cheaper. Moreover, it will turn on directly when there is a danger of an attack, and not constantly act, giving out the location.
          To hit a mobile electronic warfare station in motion on a wheeled chassis (APC) or tracked (BMP) is generally a difficult task to solve. Especially if they change the location in pairs, replacing each other.

          Quote: AVM
          Is the amount of electronic warfare funds not limited?

          That is, defending a unit with electronic warfare means is expensive, but attacking with a swarm of UAVs is not expensive :), a strange logic.

          In general, the use of micro UAVs is a utopia - an object that is too vulnerable in terms of navigation and control channels.
          As it happened in the Nagon Karabakh - the effect of surprise from the first application, although "the bells2 came a year before, but someone hoped that this time the spirit of the soldier will prevail.
          Not calculated.
      2. pytar
        pytar 22 March 2021 12: 08
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        What channels will be used for data transmission and control?
        Any EW specialist will tell you that in the third world war ALL the warring parties will carry coils of wires (or fiber-optic lines). Command posts, communication satellites, repeaters, navigation satellites will be hit or suppressed first. Only autonomous robotic systems with INS navigation will be able to operate under the overwhelming influence of electronic warfare

        Dear Dmitry Vladimirovich hi , since I am not an expert on the topic, I will make an assumption without claiming to be "first instance"!
        Without a doubt, autonomous robotic systems with artificial intelligence that can act independently will be used. I believe they will be aimed at eliminating the means of electronic countermeasures of the enemy. Electronic warfare is emitted by computers! ARM - the robot will independently identify their locations and destroy them. Remotely controlled drone, will work on other targets after the suppression of the enemy's electronic warfare. By the way, I do not exclude the emergence of new types of communication systems, much better protected from interference.
        The rapid development of artificial intelligence systems will continue at a high rate! No matter how high their cost, they have an important psychological advantage - losses in manpower are less acceptable for modern societies. And the delivery of such systems on conveyors will sharply reduce their cost, making them competitive in relation to the maintenance of the personnel of ordinary soldiers. The soldiers will remain, but their roles will change in the direction of reducing risk and loss. I think so. hi
        1. Dmitry V.
          Dmitry V. 22 March 2021 13: 22
          +1
          Quote: pytar
          Electronic warfare is emitted by computers! ARM - the robot will independently identify their locations and destroy them. Remotely controlled drones will work on other targets after the enemy's electronic warfare is suppressed. By the way, I do not exclude the emergence of new types of communication systems, much better protected from interference.


          I am not an expert either, but my companion served in the EW troops at one time.
          In your generally correct "reasoning, some nuances have not been taken into account - the means of electronic warfare do not work constantly in an active mode.
          It goes into active mode if necessary - for example, to disrupt an attack, control.
          What does loss of control mean for a UAV? The fact that for the duration of the impact he does not receive commands, cannot be determined on the ground and wastes fuel in vain, depending on the algorithm - he returns to the base or, in the case of a donating ammunition, he is in the area until the connection is restored.
          Taking into account that microdrones will not have a large energy storage charge and range, for them even a short-term breakdown of communication via control / navigation channels is either self-destruction or disruption of a combat mission.

          More than once he told an episode from the participants in the actions when AWACS was driven out of the area or almost "dropped" a squadron of F-16s relocating from Italy to Germany - this is the end of the 80s.
          Since then, electronic warfare equipment has become an order of magnitude more effective.

          There will be no cheap smart drones in the foreseeable future - smart drone = expensive, which excludes self-destruct mode - kamikaze mode for some purposes is not economically justified.
          Intelligent drones have existed for a long time - these are cruise missiles: programmable route, INS navigation, radar in mapping mode to clarify the route (wind drift compensation), evasion ...
          The price is tens of millions of dollars.
          EW cannot be stopped by any means (unless the radio altimeter channel is blocked, but there is a duplication of the barometric altimeter).
          A fully autonomous system - it would still have detachable ammunition and a return system - a ready-made unmanned bomber.
          One drawback - it is necessary to program half an hour before the attack - during this time the reconnaissance data becomes outdated, the weapon is suitable only for hitting stationary targets.

          Quote: pytar
          The rapid development of artificial intelligence systems will continue at a high rate!

          There, a very big question is being discussed about delegating decision-making to open fire - there are a lot of nuances that determine the choice of criteria for executing this command.
          1. pytar
            pytar 22 March 2021 14: 03
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            electronic warfare equipment does not work constantly in an active mode. It goes into active mode if necessary - for example, to disrupt an attack, control.

            This means that it will be hunted by a hibernation drone. It is not necessary that they steamed constantly from the air, they can camouflage themselves on the ground like mines. As soon as the radiation is detected, they are activated, they will make a "jump" and aim at destroying the emitter.
            What does loss of control mean for a UAV? .. does not receive commands, cannot be identified on the ground and wastes fuel in vain ... or, in the case of gift-giving ammunition, he is stationed in the area until communication is restored. Taking into account the fact that microdrons will not have a large energy storage charge and range ..

            We are not talking only about microdrones, there will be a whole system of devices with narrow specialization and distribution of tasks. By the way, I do not exclude the introduction of new types of more secure communications, for example, on the principle of laser-optical wireless channels or something else.
            More than once he told an episode from the participants in the actions when AWACS was driven out of the area or almost "dropped" a squadron of F-16s relocating from Italy to Germany - this is the end of the 80s.
            Since then, electronic warfare equipment has become an order of magnitude more effective.

            I don’t know how reliable this mating is, but in the last decade there has been a revolution in the field of robotics.
            There will be no cheap smart drones in the foreseeable future ... Smart drones have been around for a long time - they are cruise missiles ...

            If we trace how much the computer has fallen in price in recent years. systems, microelectronics, etc., there is no doubt that they will continue to fall in price. Artificial intelligence systems have even been installed on cars for a long time. And krylate rockets will be even better. They have their own tasks.
            The price is tens of millions of dollars.

            It's still cheaper than keeping tank armada and hundreds of thousands of soldiers. And besides, the death of soldiers is irreversible, and robots can be stamped arbitrarily. From an economic and political point of view, it is more profitable. And here comes to the fore the ability of states to compete economically and technologically!
            Electronic warfare cannot be stopped by any means ... One drawback - it is necessary to program half an hour before the attack - during this time the reconnaissance data becomes obsolete, the weapon is only suitable for hitting stationary targets.

            Electronic warfare can simply be physically destroyed. And in the conditions of a fleeting battle, systems come into service, where intelligence in real time processes data and makes decisions, many times faster than a person.
            There, a very big question is being discussed about delegating decision-making to open fire - there are a lot of nuances that determine the choice of criteria for executing this command.

            But this is a real unresolved problem! Decide sooner or later.

            As always, everything lies in the confrontation between sword and bayonet!
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 24 March 2021 03: 45
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              If we trace how much the computer has fallen in price in recent years. systems, microelectronics, etc., there is no doubt that they will continue to fall in price. Artificial intelligence systems have even been installed on cars for a long time. And krylate rockets will be even better. They have their own tasks.
              The apotheosis of this competition on the planet will most likely end with the appearance of combat types of "wash of dust" with energy supply from the background level of fluctuations in the radio emission of the Sun, plus thermal flows in the atmosphere, etc., and then with the very fact of the existence of Mankind ... Curtain!!! "... there will be no kin ..." laughing
              1. pytar
                pytar 24 March 2021 10: 17
                +1
                ... and then with the very fact of the existence of Mankind .... The Curtain !!!

                Or maybe this is the normal course of evolution? Will intelligent machines replace biological organisms? Immortals, more resilient, much more intelligent than a man! They can spread throughout the Universe, without restrictions typical for humans. People, animals will remain in reserves, and machines will rule the world!
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 24 March 2021 17: 13
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                  Will intelligent machines replace biological organisms? Immortals, more resilient, much more intelligent than a man! They can spread throughout the Universe, without restrictions typical for humans. People, animals will remain in reserves, and machines will rule the world!
                  It is also possible such an accelerated development of a machine civilization, as an alternative round ...
          2. Shopping Mall
            22 March 2021 16: 44
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            Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
            There won't be cheap smart drones in the foreseeable future - smart drone = expensive


            30-40 years ago, a good programmable calculator cost more than any modern smartphone packed with sensors and enormous computing power.

            Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
            Intelligent drones have existed for a long time - these are cruise missiles: programmable route, INS navigation, radar in mapping mode to clarify the route (wind drift compensation), evasion ...


            They are already trying to implement all this in UAVs, only mapping is not a radar, but a high-resolution camera +

            Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
            The price is tens of millions of dollars.


            About a million.
            1. Dmitry V.
              Dmitry V. 23 March 2021 10: 30
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              Quote: AVM
              They are already trying to implement all this in UAVs, only mapping is not a radar, but a high-resolution camera +


              Camera mapping is a completely unrelated task to locating.
              There are no navigation systems based on low-altitude determination of coordinates on the ground in the optical range - too narrow a field of view and insufficient performance of onboard equipment to determine key navigation objects.
              The most advanced navigation systems are just radio navigation systems with a scanning radar beam on a height map (terrain for ordinary people), and then - they take almost linear data and compare it with the flight program and a height map embedded in the on-board computer.
      3. Intruder
        Intruder 22 March 2021 20: 11
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        Any EW specialist will tell you that in the third world war ALL the warring parties will carry coils of wires (or fiber-optic lines).
        The main thing is that after it, only:
        I don't know what kind of weapon the third world war will be fought with, but the fourth - with sticks and stones. © Albert Einstein
        laughing wink
  • xorek
    xorek 21 March 2021 12: 56
    -6
    They made up their minds, damn them ... Dangerous things! But I hope we have technologies so that they all flew back to the nest at once and explode massively there ..?
    They are controlled via satellites, which the United States launches with the help of our RD engines .. It's a shame, but maybe not so scary .. The Russians are insidious!
    1. Simple
      Simple 21 March 2021 13: 09
      +1
      The author raised the issue of a new element of warfare.

      Let's consider an example of a company (for example, a division for working with drones has already been implemented at the company level) - stripping a multi-storey building:

      The drone swarm is allocated this facility for work and is released offline. ...
      After some time, the remaining drones fly out of there - a sign that the work is done and the unit can "correct" again.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 21 March 2021 13: 02
    -1
    All this crazy microdroning will end quite abruptly - as soon as they develop a small launcher integrated with a lidar or a similar device (+ motion detectors + some kind of "brains" for calculating speeds) with ammunition, structurally made for the task of creating the largest possible area of ​​pressure drop and shock wave (no special shards). All of these small drones are extremely vulnerable to sudden changes in pressure, this will at least make the device unable to fulfill its combat mission.
  • Denimax
    Denimax 21 March 2021 13: 25
    +1
    Micro drones can be used in defense, you just need to land them in places where the enemy is likely to accumulate for an attack. The drone sending only frames will work much longer, moreover, it can be charged from solar panels.
  • grumbler
    grumbler 21 March 2021 13: 39
    +1
    Thanks to the Author for a very interesting review.
    If, in the event of the defeat of military equipment, the cost-effectiveness criterion will work in favor of the UAV, then will it be economically justified to use micro-UAVs against manpower?

    imho, as a soldier's equipment is turned into an "individual tank", an "exoskeleton" (and the price of which is close to the tank), it will be quite economical to bite such a soldier with a swarm of "penny" drones (armed with micro-charges, acids, chemicals and toxins) justified.
    (PS Eh, when will we finally stop exterminating each other "economically justifiably"
    and find other ways to resolve conflicts? ...)
  • Homos
    Homos 21 March 2021 18: 17
    +2
    As the owner of the first version of the Mavic Mini mentioned in the article, I know that the statements about the range of 2 km are worthless. A kilometer in an open field yes. In the city behind the house 150, 200 meters, and signal loss begins. With all this, the drone does not have the necessary sensors to freely maneuver in urban areas, because it is expensive.
    The army version, with an anti-jamming channel, and more optimal characteristics will cost under a hundred thousand, or even more. And it is far from the fact that it will be able to fulfill its role, if the enemy has electronic warfare means that can burn such insects in bulk.
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 21 March 2021 21: 20
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      Quote: homos
      As the owner of the first version of the Mavic Mini mentioned in the article, I know that the statements about the range of 2 km are worthless. A kilometer in an open field yes. In the city behind the house 150, 200 meters, and signal loss begins. With all this, the drone does not have the necessary sensors to freely maneuver in urban areas, because it is expensive.
      The army version, with an anti-jamming channel, and more optimal characteristics will cost under a hundred thousand, or even more. And it is far from the fact that it will be able to fulfill its role, if the enemy has electronic warfare means that can burn such insects in bulk.


      The cost is made up of the cost
      1. iron, it is not large, this is the cost of an advanced toy drone + the cost of a processor (with a neural network coprocessor) of a good mobile phone.

      2. R&D which is spent at a time at the development stage.
      In mass production, the cost will be apportioned per unit of output. If the production of extras, then this component is just as small.

      3. The cost of production, as well as in mass production, a significant reduction.

      Bottom line: With mass production, the cost will not be too high.

      A radio channel is not necessary to perform the task of free search for a target in a given perimeter.
      If EW is crushed, nothing irreparable will happen.

      To burn the electronics of the drone, each soldier needs to attach an all-aspect microwave on himself?
      He will burn his own brains and where will he find a socket in the field?
      1. Homos
        Homos 21 March 2021 21: 40
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        1. To do calculations on board, you need a processor of a certain power. It costs money by itself and consumes electricity. There are 2 problems: a cheap but powerful percentage, preferably also resistant to any radiation, and a battery that will pull the propellers + a powerful percentage.
        2. You can't do without sensors that will allow you to move freely in space. They, too, will consume electricity and take a certain mass of the payload.
        3. R&D is such a thing, because you can not master it. Only in games did you press the button and the research was done. And in life it can take years to train a car to move correctly using the modest resources of a processor that is not the most powerful. I want to notice not in two but in 3 planes.
        4. If such a drone decides to inflict lethal damage on its own, the consequences will be fatal. Civilians, their soldiers are being targeted. If with the peaceful can be attributed to collateral losses, then how to distinguish your soldier from someone else's? For each infantry to hang a system of theirs / foes? To do this, it must be and work according to the network-centric model. Or not to use these drones on the contact line?

        And on the last point. And what if the enemy's electronic warfare changes the coordinates and the drone happily reaches the enemy, returns back to the creator and zhahnet there mistaking him for the enemy?
        1. Shopping Mall
          21 March 2021 22: 15
          +1
          Quote: homos
          1. To do calculations on board, you need a processor of a certain power. It costs money by itself and consumes electricity. There are 2 problems: a cheap but powerful percentage, preferably also resistant to any radiation, and a battery that will pull the propellers + a powerful percentage.


          In an ordinary smartphone, processors have tremendous power right now, what will happen in 10 years?

          Quote: homos
          2. You can't do without sensors that will allow you to move freely in space. They, too, will consume electricity and take a certain mass of the payload.


          A couple of tens of grams maximum. The energy consumption is incomparable with what is required for the flight.

          Quote: homos
          b3. R&D is such a thing, because you can not master it. Only in games did you press the button and the research was done. And in life it can take years to train a car to move correctly using the modest resources of a processor that is not the most powerful. I want to notice not in two but in 3 planes.


          Billions are invested in this direction in various fields - autopilot, robotic delivery, robotic vacuum cleaners, etc. There will definitely be a result.

          Quote: homos
          4. If such a drone decides to inflict lethal damage on its own, the consequences will be fatal. Civilians, their soldiers are being targeted. If with the peaceful can be attributed to collateral losses, then how to distinguish your soldier from someone else's? For each infantry to hang a system of theirs / foes? To do this, it must be and work according to the network-centric model. Or not to use these drones on the contact line?


          At least a matter of tactics - autonomous drones without communication - only in squares without their soldiers. Alternatively, if communication is lost, they choose a landing site and hide until it is restored.

          Quote: homos
          And on the last point. And what if the enemy's electronic warfare changes the coordinates and the drone happily reaches the enemy, returns back to the creator and zhahnet there mistaking him for the enemy?


          Coordinates cannot be changed everywhere, return to yourself, the coordinates will be restored (everything will not be able to close) and orientated. In addition, military channels will increasingly be encrypted. If it is still possible to score the coordinates, then it is unlikely to change. And finally, the last resort - image orientation - TERCOM at a new technological level.
        2. Pandiurin
          Pandiurin 21 March 2021 22: 26
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          Quote: homos
          If with the peaceful can be attributed to collateral losses, then how to distinguish your soldier from someone else's? For each infantry to hang a system of theirs / foes? To do this, it must be and work according to the network-centric model. Or not to use these drones on the contact line?

          And on the last point. And what if the enemy's electronic warfare changes the coordinates and the drone happily reaches the enemy, returns back to the creator and zhahnet there mistaking him for the enemy?


          So that the coordinates are not changed, it is easier not to use GPS at all, it is difficult to change, it is much easier to drown out.
          You can lay a route + a map with objects along which you can navigate, there are solid-state inertial sensors, but this will not go dear for this task.

          That would not hook your own Observe the perimeter By the time of the "life" of the drone.
          Your stranger in case of emergency if someone climbed anywhere or the drone was blown away by the wind ...
          A fabric cover made in khaki colors is put on the helmet.
          Coloring and drawing can be with the preservation of camouflage characteristics, but what type of QR code.
          The unit that launched the drones has the same code drawing.
          The drone can determine where the head is, if the code Graphically matches 50%, then it means its own.
          With regard to secentric friend or foe, it is also possible that this is coming.
          Request-response in the IR range as an option.

          As a joke, you can lay a special gesture that the drone should recognize to identify its own, for example, a person shows a clenched fist of his left hand, a bent middle finger, a protruding tongue, etc.
          The main thing is to have time to "beep")
  • Saxahorse
    Saxahorse 21 March 2021 19: 35
    +1
    Micro UAVs promise to become an extremely dangerous enemy of the infantry in the very near future. A poisoned needle in the back of the head, godfather against the shell, the infantry has little chance of avoiding big trouble from a petty enemy. I suspect that the large fly swatter will become as mandatory as the small sapper shovel.
    1. agond
      agond 21 March 2021 19: 55
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      Today, mini UAVs are controlled by an operator via a radio channel, if a source of interference (very weak) appears between the UAV and the operator, then the connection will be disrupted, in other words, your mortar threw a mine (s) with a transmitter closer to the enemy, it fell to the ground, the antenna got out of it and went interference and until the batteries run out with a mine, nothing can be done, except to go to look for it
      1. Shopping Mall
        21 March 2021 22: 07
        +3
        Quote: agond
        Today, mini UAVs are controlled by an operator via a radio channel, if a source of interference (very weak) appears between the UAV and the operator, then the connection will be disrupted, in other words, your mortar threw a mine (s) with a transmitter closer to the enemy, it fell to the ground, the antenna got out of it and went interference and until the batteries run out with a mine, nothing can be done, except to go to look for it


        There are no mine-sized generators capable of jamming GPS and communications. And they are unlikely to be.
        1. Dmitry V.
          Dmitry V. 22 March 2021 11: 00
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          Quote: AVM
          There are no mine-sized generators capable of jamming GPS and communications. And they are unlikely to be.


          There are jammers in the size of a 152 mm projectile - and jamming in the GPS range is not a difficult task.
          1. Shopping Mall
            22 March 2021 11: 35
            +1
            What is their range and operating time? Aren't you confusing single-action ammunition with EMP?
            1. Dmitry V.
              Dmitry V. 22 March 2021 13: 34
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              Quote: AVM
              What is their range and operating time? Aren't you confusing single-action ammunition with EMP?


              I do not confuse.
              Not public information, I do not own.
              An electronic warfare station in the form factor of a 152 mm projectile - I can assume that alkaline batteries of that period could provide sufficient knockout signal power for from several hours to half a day, which is more than enough to disrupt the control of a tactical link - a battalion in an offensive, defense - and there either the projectile will be triangulated and blown up or the headquarters will change its deployment - sometimes the golden hour of loss of control is enough to disrupt the enemy's combat mission.
              But this is so - reasoning on a free topic :)).
  • steelmaker
    steelmaker 21 March 2021 20: 45
    +1
    I really liked the article! The author is great! And he cited the facts and himself convincingly argued them, and most importantly - the conclusion is correct, not to disagree with the idea of ​​the article. Good luck and I also want an interesting article.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 21 March 2021 21: 03
    +2
    N. Perumov "Skull on the Sleeve", "Skull in the Sky". 2002 year. Only not microdrones, but a living cloud. But the principle is the same. Everything was invented before us ...
    1. Darkesstcat
      Darkesstcat 22 March 2021 11: 48
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      It was easier there, it was problematic to drown out the control of the swarms. And it looks like it's time to buy mesh and napalm)
  • meandr51
    meandr51 21 March 2021 21: 53
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    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    1. The electronic warfare systems themselves are extremely vulnerable and are destroyed in the first place, like the radar.

    There are disposable EMP bombs.
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 March 2021 22: 06
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      Quote: meandr51
      Quote: OgnennyiKotik
      1. The electronic warfare systems themselves are extremely vulnerable and are destroyed in the first place, like the radar.

      There are disposable EMP bombs.


      Which ones?
  • meandr51
    meandr51 21 March 2021 21: 57
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    Interestingly, they are not afraid of a nuclear explosion either?
    1. Shopping Mall
      21 March 2021 22: 06
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      Quote: meandr51
      Interestingly, they are not afraid of a nuclear explosion either?


      No more than people.
      1. Dread
        Dread 21 March 2021 22: 52
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        Quote: AVM
        Quote: meandr51
        Interestingly, they are not afraid of a nuclear explosion either?


        No more than people.

        Andrey, you are not quite right! When air nuclear explosion - EMP (induced electromagnetic impulse) will damage a large number of UAVs, which will have weak protection of the transceiver input or not at all ... Much depends on the height of the explosion and the power of the nuclear weapon.
        1. Shopping Mall
          21 March 2021 22: 55
          +1
          Quote: Dread
          Quote: AVM
          Quote: meandr51
          Interestingly, they are not afraid of a nuclear explosion either?

          No more than people.

          Andrey, you are not quite right! In an air nuclear explosion, EMP (induced electromagnetic pulse) will damage a large number of UAVs, which will have weak protection of the transceiver input or not at all ... Much depends on the height of the explosion and the power of the nuclear weapon.


          I am not saying that nuclear weapons will not damage the UAV, but this will already be the lesser of the problems of the belligerents.
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 24 March 2021 03: 52
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          In an air nuclear explosion - EMP (induced electromagnetic impulse) will damage a large number of UAVs, which will have weak protection of the transceiver input or not at all ... Much depends on the height of the explosion and the power of the nuclear weapon.
          a total of 10 Gt. over a ball in the atmosphere, and even such a climate will not exist, after a nuclear winter and a greenhouse ..., and most people on old Earth, what kind of UAVs and other technological things are there, after the shift of continental plates and a tsunami! ??? ... like, like in this song wink
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown 21 March 2021 22: 10
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    Will small UAVs replace the rifle on the battlefield?


    dAAA))) there would be a desire drinks

    We take a plywood glider from the MODELIST-constructor magazine, we hang modern Chinese radio electronics on it, "in the mouth" a lemon - and go! laughing good A plywood glider with a motor on the air will chase every single enemy soldier fellow
    1. agond
      agond 21 March 2021 23: 12
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      Quote: AVM
      There are no mine-sized generators capable of jamming GPS and communications. And they are unlikely to be.

      Indeed, it is impossible to interfere with the GPS signal using a battery-powered generator, we are talking about interfering with the communication line of the UAV with the operator, if the jammer in the mine is somewhere between them, then the noise power of the jammer can exceed the power of the useful signal from the unmanned aircraft, and then what power the transmitter can be on a micro UAV.
      1. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 21 March 2021 23: 55
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        Quote: agond
        Quote: AVM
        There are no mine-sized generators capable of jamming GPS and communications. And they are unlikely to be.

        Indeed, it is impossible to interfere with the GPS signal using a battery-powered generator, we are talking about interfering with the communication line of the UAV with the operator, if the jammer in the mine is somewhere between them, then the noise power of the jammer can exceed the power of the useful signal from the unmanned aircraft, and then what power the transmitter can be on a micro UAV.


        If this is a civilian UAV, then it will exactly work out with civilian allocated frequencies. And if a very wide range is used with a dynamic pseudo-random method of changing frequencies in a pulsed mode of increasing power.

        Drown out all (say, 1-GHz) radio broadcast at once?
        Will the jammer have enough antenna?

        The transmission can be carried out through a repeater, another UAV that is not on the line. This is more preferable. The operator is on the ground with no line of sight to the target UAV. Through the repeater, everything is ok.
        1. agond
          agond 22 March 2021 10: 28
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          Quote: Pandiurin
          And if a very wide range is used with a dynamic pseudo-random method of changing frequencies in a pulsed mode of increasing power.

          What is it like ? dozens of micro UAVs will transmit data pseudo-randomly to a repeater, which will pseudo-randomly transmit the signal further to the operator, and he, in turn, will transmit control commands to the UAV in the same way, and all this should happen simultaneously in real time, this is It is not easy to do without interference, and then transmitting a signal from a high-resolution video camera in a similar way for a simple drone weighing 18-50 grams is not an easy task.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 22 March 2021 10: 56
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    Will small UAVs replace the rifle on the battlefield?

    It would be strange to count on such a weapon of a lethal nature, from which ... the net can protect.
    The stationary object is protected by the usual cheap fine mesh netting of a penny cost.

    In addition, an ultra-light UAV cannot carry reliable protection against microwave radiation, that is, it is possible to burn the electronics of a micro UAV from a distance of 10-15 meters with microwave emitters in a pulsed mode.
    So this is an absolutely far-fetched unpromising topic.
    1. Shopping Mall
      22 March 2021 11: 27
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      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich
      Will small UAVs replace the rifle on the battlefield?

      It would be strange to count on such a weapon of a lethal nature, from which ... the net can protect.
      The stationary object is protected by the usual cheap fine mesh netting of a penny cost.

      In addition, an ultra-light UAV cannot carry reliable protection against microwave radiation, that is, it is possible to burn the electronics of a micro UAV from a distance of 10-15 meters with microwave emitters in a pulsed mode.
      So this is an absolutely far-fetched unpromising topic.


      1. Why should microdrones be the only means of attack? Other, larger kamikaze drones, or even more traditional weapons, mortars, RPGs may well make holes in the grid.

      2. A specialized means of destruction can be targeted at a powerful source of microwave radiation, after disabling it and breaking the grid, micro-UAVs will purposefully deal with the destruction of drugs.

      3. How to implement all this in an attack? Close all directions with hard microwave radiation? The soldiers won't be fried?
      1. agond
        agond 22 March 2021 12: 04
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        Quote: AVM
        A specialized means of destruction can be targeted at a powerful source of microwave radiation, after disabling it and breaking the grid, micro-UAVs will purposefully deal with the destruction of drugs.

        The place of one powerful microwave source can be many dispersed weak sources
      2. Dmitry V.
        Dmitry V. 22 March 2021 12: 16
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        Quote: AVM
        1. Why should microdrones be the only means of attack? Other, larger kamikaze drones, or even more traditional weapons, mortars, RPGs may well make holes in the grid.


        The navigation and control system (even for drones) - the emitting equipment itself - is perfectly triangulated and suppressed by NURS cluster munitions or artillery - a solved problem.
        RPGs are close-quarters combat - what kind of UAVs are there when the battle formations are mixed.

        Quote: AVM
        2. A specialized means of destruction can be targeted at a powerful source of microwave radiation, after disabling it and breaking the grid, micro-UAVs will purposefully deal with the destruction of drugs.

        For your information, a high-power microwave emitter is the simplest directional magnetron weighing less than 20 kg, possible for mass production. The unit can be surrounded by a number of portable microwave pulsed emitters in the hemisphere sector powered by a portable diesel generator set. Your proposed method of defeating it - guided munitions - is a thousand times more expensive, if not 10000 orders of magnitude - it is cheaper to cover the unit with a tactical missile. It's like putting out a fire with banknotes :)

        Quote: AVM
        3. How to implement all this in an attack? Close all directions with hard microwave radiation? The soldiers won't be fried?


        Magnetron (microwave emitter) has a directional effect, surrounding the unit with a dozen emitters - directed away from the unit - will not fry. But in general, this is not the best solution, since microwave radiation is attenuated in proportion to the square of the distance from the emitter - which is why I say that the guarantee of damage to the on-board electronics of the micro UAV is a maximum of 15-20 m from the source, with increasing power it will no longer be a wearable source.
        15-20 meters is not enough distance to prevent a massive attack, here R&D is required to improve the design of electromagnetic emitters and research on the effective distance of destruction of protected EMP electronics.

        In general, the defense complex against micro UAVs of a unit in defense in a local conflict (without destroying satellite constellations) looks like this:

        active defenses
        1. Electronic warfare means blocking or replacing signals from navigation satellites in the area (already exist) are quite effective for disrupting navigation of modern UAVs. - Do not interfere with the defeat of UAVs with correction on a television channel.
        2. Electronic warfare equipment, jammers for micro UAV guidance stations (exist in portable versions of low power (local) and automobile, portable - medium-range). They provide a breakdown of communication between the control center and the UAV via a television channel and a control channel.
        Active means of attack
        3. Means of radio reconnaissance, signal triangulation and calculation of the location of the control center.
        4. Suppression of the control center with available means - unguided long-range missiles with cluster munitions, artillery, jamming with electronic warfare projectiles (setting local jamming in the location area).

        Passive means:
        1.Nets on poles (existing bird nets are fine as a penny passive tool).
        2. For stationary objects - metal nets coupled with bird nets.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 22 March 2021 12: 09
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    With a mass of about 18 grams (!) ............ The maximum flight duration is 25 minutes


    The mind is not comprehensible !! How many of these 18 grams are in the battery ??
    That's really, truly - high technology!
    1. agond
      agond 22 March 2021 17: 53
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

      Passive means:
      1.Nets on poles (existing bird nets are fine as a penny passive tool).
      2. For stationary objects - metal nets coupled with bird nets.

      The UAV does not fly so low, it needs nets at least on masts, but better on tethered balloons.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 22 March 2021 20: 16
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        here nets are needed at least on masts, and better on tethered balloons.
        Precisely, then it is better to immediately raise mobility for such protection, such as: an airship (UAV) with canvases of nets, chasing swarms, at the operational depth !? laughing wink
        1. Ua3qhp
          Ua3qhp 23 March 2021 17: 08
          +1
          This is where a small scanning laser cannon comes in handy.
          1. agond
            agond 23 March 2021 20: 13
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            And probably the UAV can be fought with the help of mines, for example, a pipe with a receiver and a mine is vertically buried in the ground to a depth of 0.5 m, when the drone passes over it at a low altitude, a signal is sent from the command post and the mine is fired and explodes at the required height, naturally the stratum time and the detonation height are determined by the external control point
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 24 March 2021 13: 13
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    Hunting guns can solve all problems with these drones.
    1. agond
      agond 24 March 2021 20: 04
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      Quote: Kostadinov
      Hunting guns can solve all problems with these drones.

      Not everyone gets out of the gun and into the duck from 20m, and you simply won't see a drone at an altitude of 200m, by the way, you can't suddenly aim the binoculars at a buzzard soaring in the sky, when for a long time I could not aim a TV camera with a 50x optical zoom at some bird in the sky, I can see with my eyes, but not in the lens .. and if the object flies from the sun, ordinary optics will not help at all
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 25 March 2021 18: 39
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    Not everyone gets from a gun and into a duck from 20m, and you just won't see a drone at an altitude of 200m

    Sports shooting on plates with a diameter of 110 mm is carried out from a distance of 19 m. They rarely miss.
    The assassin drone should come much closer than 200 meters.
  • YOUR.
    YOUR. April 9 2021 15: 43
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    "DGI Mavic Mini"
    Maybe DJI after all?